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>> PLEASE CALL TO ORDER, BE SEATED, PLEASE.
IF YOU AREB& PHONE CONVERSATION OKAY, GOOD.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.
ALL RIGHT, CALL TO ORDER THE MAY 17,2022 CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP . MADAME CLARK, PLEASE CALL THE
HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS, PERSONAL DEVICES, IF YOU WOULD TURN THEM ON AIRPLANE, SILENT, OR TURN THEM OFF.
REALLY APPRECIATE IT. COVID-19, I CAN PERSONALLY ATTEST THAT IT'S STILL HERE. SO, PLEASE DO WHATEVER IS NECESSARY TO PROTECT YOUR HEALTH AND THE HEALTH OF OTHERS. GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.
AND COMMISSIONERS, YOU KNOW MY ROLES.
[3.1 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN ]
SO, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE FOLLOW THEM, GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.ALL RIGHT, ITEM 3, DISCUSSION 3.1, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
VICE MAYOR KREGER HAVE THE FLOOR, SIR.
>> DALE, PUT UP THE SLIDE. >> WHEN YOU SEE THIS SLIDE, YOU ARE GOING TO THINK BACK A LITTLE BIT, BECAUSE THE FIRST THREE SLIDES ARE THE EXACT SAME SLIDES THAT I PRESENTED IN JANUARY 2021. AND BASICALLY, I BROUGHT THIS BACK UP BECAUSE I THINK WE ARE IN THE SITUATION NOW WHERE IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT WE, WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CAPITOL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, UM, THAT IS PRESCRIBED BY THE STATE LAW, AND MORE IMPORTANT IS WHAT WE REALLY NEED AT THIS POINT.IN THE PAST COUPLE MONTHS OR SO, WE TALKED ABOUT TIPPING POINTS.
A TIPPING POINT IS FUNDED, BUT WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY REALLY WHERE IT IS, SO NEXT SLIDE, DALE.
STATE LAW IS REALLY PRETTY SPECIFIC, UM, I WILL GET TO THE 10 YEAR LATER, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, WHICH IS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE THOSE AND WE HAVEN'T HAD THEM PROBABLY FOR A LONG LONG TIME.
WHAT WE DO HAVE IS A FIVE-YEAR, IT'S IN OUR BUDGET.
DIFFICULTY WITH THAT IS THAT SOMETIMES B& NEXT SLIDE, DALE.
YEAH. THE FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, AND WE ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE ANYTHING, CAPACITY, DEFICIENCY, ROADS, WASTE MANAGEMENTB& GET IT BACK UP A LITTLE BIT. BACK UP FURTHER.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT BE OUT OF ORDER.
ANYTHING B& NEEDS TO BE IN THE CAPITOL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
PARTNERSHIPS. SO, WHEN WE IDENTIFY THOSE THINGS, AND THEN FURTHER ON, AS HE WILL SEEB GO TO THE BUILDING ASSESSMENT. OKAY.
THIS ACTUALLY IS JANUARY 2021. AS YOU REMEMBER, THAT WAS ONE OF OUR GOALS. JUST NOW 15 MONTHS LATER, I THINK THREE OR FOUR DAYS AGO, WE ACTUALLY GOT B& WHAT I GUESS WE COULD CALL AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY OR A COST ESTIMATE FROM THE CITY ENGINEER. THE TIER 1 FOUR BUILDINGS, ABOUT 2.2 MILLION DOLLARS. AND SO, THAT IS A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT THING. IT'S TIER 1 AND TWO.
2.2 MILLION, I THINK YOU'VE ALL SEEN THAT.
SO, THAT WILL GO IN YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, ALONG WITH EVERYTHING ELSE. AND I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU SOME EXAMPLES OF THINGS THAT ARE IN THERE AND SOME OF THE PROBLEMS. SO, BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT BONDING, THINGS IN BONDING, LIKE $20 MILLION, THAT WASN'T IN ANY PLAN.
SIDEWALKS WEREN'T IN ANY PLAN, STREETLIGHTS WEREN'T IN ANY PLAN. YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
THIS WAS A BUILDING ASSESSMENT, THIS WAS DONE, IT CAME IN AT 1000 PAGES. 2.2 MILLION.
KIND OF INTERESTING ABOUT THE BUILDING IS THAT NONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS WERE DEEMEDB& THEY WERE ALL DEEMED ADEQUATE.
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AND IF YOU LOOK AT THAT PLAN, I THINK THE SUMMARY IS IN THE FIRST COUPLE PAGES, ACTUALLY ALLOCATED MONEY IN THE 10 YEAR, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE CITY HAS PUSHED THAT OUT, WHICH I THINK IS A SMART MOVE. SO, WE ARE SPENDING MONEY AT THE FRONT END. YOU KNOW, QUESTIONABLE THINGS, WERE SOME OF THOSE WERE STRUCTURAL STUDIES FIRST, AND I THINK THERE WAS $300,000 IN ONE BUILDING, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE STUDY YET. SO, SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN THERE, SHOULD BE IN THERE, THIS IS EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW? AN ARTICLE RELATIVE TO PARKS WHERE HE IDENTIFIED SOME OF THE THINGS, 1 MILLION FIRE ENGINES, MAINTENANCE AT 2 MILLION, EACH IMPROVEMENTS AT 300,000, THAT DIDN'T INCLUDE A LOT OF THE OTHER ITEMS. FENCING AND THINGS.AND STREETLIGHTS WEREN'T IN THERE, SIDEWALKS WEREN'T IN THERE. CITY HALL IS IN THEIR DOWN THE LINE AT 8 MILLION, IT'S ALREADY IN THE CAPITOL EXPENSE PLAN.8 MILLION, 2023. AND FOR NEW CITY HALL AND 3 MILLION FOR 2024. AND I GUESS THAT'S AN OPTION I HAVE. SO, MY POINT IS THAT B& AND I KNOW THIS IS HAPPENING, THE CITY IS WORKING ON THE CAPITOL PLAN, IT'S WORKING ON A LEGITIMATE FIVE-YEAR AND 10 YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. THE PLAN REQUIRES A 20 YEAR.
FIVE YEARS IN 20 YEARS, AND THERE'S AN ANNUAL REPORT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE BOTTOM, THERE IS AN ANNUAL REPORT THAT SUPPOSED TO IDENTIFY THE CAPACITY AND DEFICIENCIES, BASED ON LEVELSB& WE'VE NEVER DONE THAT HERE, NEVER DONE THAT. SO, MY GOAL IS WE HAVE TIME FOR THE BUDGET TO BRING THIS UP AND MOVE FORWARD, AND THEN WE GET THE MONEY. AND I WOULD SUGGEST WE TALK ABOUT BUDGETS. WE WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THE 10 YEAR, FIVE-YEAR, AND ON A RECOMMENDED BUDGET THAT THE CITY MANAGER WILL SUBMIT.
AND THEN DECISIONS CAN BE MADE. SO, WE WON'T BE MISSING ANYTHING BECAUSE IT WAS TAKEN OUT BEFORE WE SEE IT.
IN THE DECISIONS, WE WILL MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.
SO, WE WON'T HAVE 2.2 MILLION DOLLARS OF WHAT IN MANY CASES WOULD DIFFER MAINTENANCE THAT WE'VE GOT TO CATCH UP WITH.
SO, WE'VE GOT WAYS TO GET MONEY AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE AMERICAN RESCUE FUND AND I THINK YOU ADDRESSED THAT IN YOUR RESPONSE. WE HAVE 1 MILLION SOMETHING IN AMERICAN RESCUE FUNDS. WE HAVE IMPACT FUNDS TO THE MAXIMUM. AND I WOULD, I WOULD JUSTIFY THEM AND THAT WOULD PUSH THE ENVELOPE AS FAR AS WE CAN PUSH IT. WE SHOULD BE AGGRESSIVELY PROCEEDING BEACH FUNDING, THAT'SKIND OF A LOST CAUSE, BUT MAYBE WORKING OUT . I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT, THAT WE THINK ABOUT, UM, A ONE YEAR MILLAGE INCREASE TO FUND, SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFY AND FUND FACILITIES, SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID. WE DID A HALF-MILLION FOR CONSERVATION A WHILE BACK, I WAS ABLE TO DO 1 MILLION.
AND THERE'S ALWAYS THE OPTION OF RAISING TAXES, WHICH I THINK IS APPROPRIATE WITH WHAT WE WANT TO MAINTAIN OUR BUILDINGS.
I WILL LOOK AT MORATORIUMS ON VARIOUS THINGS, LIKE I SAY, ON THE VEHICLES FOR TWO YEARS. AND YOU KNOW, LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE THINGS, AND THAT CAN ALL BE DONE BY THE BUDGET YEAR.
AND SO, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. DIFFER OUR BUILDINGS.
AND THIS WOULD INCLUDE FENCES AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS WHICH I DIDN'T GET INTO. ANOTHER ISSUE IS THAT, UM, YOU HEAR A LOT ABOUT GRANTS, YOU GET GRANTS, GRANTS ARE THERE.
WELL, GRANTS AREN'T THAT EASY TO GET, THEY'RE GOING TO GET HARDER TO GET, SPECIFICALLY FOR RESILIENCY.
BUT ALMOST INVARIABLY, IT'S THE BUDGET ISSUE.
SO, GRANTS HAVE TO BE IN THE BUDGET IN MANY CASES TO GET IT.
THAT CAN BE PROBLEMATIC. IF WE WANT TO GET RESILIENCY GRANTS, WE'VE GOT A ONE-YEAR GRACE PERIOD BEFORE WE PROBABLY GET LOCKED OUT IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA BECAUSE OF NEEDS AND POLITICS, SO WE NEED TO PUT THOSE IN THE BUDGET, THEY SHOULD BE IN THE CAPITOL IMPROVEMENT.
REMEMBER, IT'S FUNDED AND UNFUNDED.
AND I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION AGAIN, BECAUSE WE ARE REALLY AT THAT POINT TIMEWISE, WHERE FUNDING IS GOING TO BE CRITICAL, UM, AND YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE BOND ISSUE AND STUFF, THERE WASN'T ANY PLANS.
AND YOU CAN'T BE DOING THAT STUFF.
SO, THAT'S REALLY B& PRETTY BRIEFLY WHAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT. BUT I THINK, I KNOW AND I BELIEVE THAT THE CITY STAFF AGREES ON THE FIVE AND 10 YEAR PLAN AND THE DIFFERENCES THAT WE DON'T HAVE AND THE NEED TO
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DO THAT. AND IT'S NOT JUST TO COMPLY WITH THE STATE LAW, BECAUSE IT'S A MANAGEMENT TOOL THAT WE NEED TO HAVE TWO AGGRESSIVELY, YOU KNOW, BRING OUR CITY UP TO THE LEVEL WHERE WE NEED TO BE. THAT'S IT.>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: ANY DISCUSSION ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS? COMMISSIONER BEAN?
>> COMISSIONER BEAN: THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT OF WHAT WE NEED TO ASK FOR HERE. I GUESS WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE START DOING B& WE DON'T HAVE A 20 YEAR CIP?
>> WELL, WE DON'T HAVE A 10 YEAR PERIOD WE HAVE DISCUSSED 20 YEAR BEFORE, AND 20 YEARS IS HARD.
WE DON'T HAVE FIVE-YEAR PERIOD WE DON'T HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. WHAT WE HAVE IS A FIVE-YEAR BUDGET PLAN. SO, WHAT YOU ARE SEEING WITH THE BUDGETING PLAN IS WHAT'S BUDGETED, NOT WHAT WAS IN THERE. IN MANY CASES, IT COMES OUT, BUT THE CAPITOL IMPROVEMENT PLAN SHOULD HAVE EVERYTHING IN THERE, FIVE YEARS WITH A 10 YEAR OUTLOOK AS FAR AS STATE LAWS. AND THEN WHEN THE CITY MANAGER PRESENTS HIS BUDGET AND HIS FIVE-YEAR PLAN, WE CAN LOOK AT HIM AND WE CAN SAY, WAIT A MINUTE, WHY AREN'T WE DOING THIS? WHY AREN'T WE DOING THE FENCES? SO, WE MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON ALL THE DATA, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AS MUCH COMPLIANCE WITH THE LAW, THERE IS NO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT POLICE.UT THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR.
AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE WORKING ON.I THINK THE CITY ENGINEER.
SO, IT'S JUST WE DON'T HAVE IT AND WE NEED IT TO MANAGE.
>> UNDERSTOOD. TO CLARIFY THAT, WHAT WE HAVE NOW IS WE HAVE A LIST OF EVERYTHING WE HAVE PLANNED TO FUND FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. BUT WHAT WE NEED IS A LIST OF EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE PLANNED TO FUND AND EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE MISSED. FUNDED AND UNFUNDED.
OKAY, MAKES SENSE, THANK YOU. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: MISSION OR
ROSS? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: THE REASON, ONE OF THE REASONS THERE IS NO PLAN, I'VE BEEN SITTING HERE FOR FIVE YEARS, IS THAT STAFF BRINGS UP ALL THESE NEEDS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, AND THEN THEY SPEND TWO OR $3 MILLION FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
AND ALL THOSE THINGS GET PULLED OFF.
YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE IS NO LONG LIST.
I'VE GOT A LIST HERE, IT'S LONG, IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT 30 OR $40 MILLION WORTH OF STUFF. IN THE REAL ISSUE IS, AND IT'S ALL BEEN PUT OFF FOR YEARS. AND THE REAL ISSUE IS, AND THIS COMMISSION HASN'T EMBRACED IT EITHER, IS HOW WE ARE GOING TO PAY FOR THIS POINT AND SOME WANT TO GO TO THE ROLLBACK RATE, SOME DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT.
BUT THERE'S TWO OR $3 MILLION EACH YEAR, NOT GOING TO GET YOU OUT OF THIS HOLE. UM, AND THAT'S NOT BECAUSE OF THE CITY COMMISSION, BUT EVERY CITY COMMISSION FOR THE LAST 15, 20 YEARS HAS DONE THE SAME THING.
AND THEY PUT OFF REPLACING ALL THESE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
AND SO NOW, THEY ARE ALL COMING HOME TO ROOST.
AND WITH THE BUILDING, I MEAN, SIGNED REPORT, WE'VE GOT ALL THESE REPORTS THAT WE'VE IGNORED OVER THE YEARS.
SO, UM, IF YOU GO TO THE STATE STATUTE, IT SAYS, AS WELL AS A COMPONENT THAT OUTLINES DIRECTING EXISTING PUBLIC FACILITY DEFICIENCIES, WHICH ARE TALKING ABOUT.
AND THEN WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY? PROJECTED REVENUE SOURCES TO FUND THESE FACILITIES.
AND THAT IS ALWAYS A STICKING POINT THAT NOBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT, SO I'D BE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT IT.
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M ADDRESSING, THOUGH,WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT THIS YEAR , BEFORE, BEFORE THOSE BUILDINGS BECOME INADEQUATE. SO, EVERYONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS WERE ALL DEEMED ADEQUATE TO TIER 1 BUILDINGS.
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I HAVEN'T SEEN THE REPORT.
>> YOU TWO ARE HAVING A DISCUSSION, WHICH IS FINE.
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT REPORT, BUT ALSO IN THAT REPORT IS NO STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING.
>> CORRECT. WELL, THAT'S IN THE CITY, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME OUT MAY 10.
THIS STRUCTURAL IN THERE. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I'VE NOT
SEEN THAT. >> I HAPPEN TO HAVE IT HERE.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: COMMISSIONER BEAN?
>> COMISSIONER BEAN: THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.
I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THE VICE MAYOR ON THIS POINT WHAT
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WE NEED IS TO BE ABLE TO SEE AS A COMMISSION TOGETHER, THIS LIST, FULLY COMPREHENSIVE OF EVERYTHING THAT WE PLAN TO FUND, EVERYTHING WE HAVEN'T FOUND IT YET, AND THAT IS THE TOOL WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO BUDGET.I COMPLETELY AGREE THAT THIS IS A GOOD TOOL, SOMETHING WE CAN WORK ON COMING UP. IT SOUNDS LIKE COMMISSIONER ROSS ALREADY PUT IT TOGETHER FOR US, SO WE CAN LOOK AT THAT LATER ON. I THINK IT WILL BE A GREAT TOOL
TO LOOK AT. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH:
COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: THE REAL QUESTION GOING BACK IS HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PAY FOR IT? AND THAT'S A QUESTION EVERYBODY DOES.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: WAIT A MINUTE, COMMISSIONER STURGES?
>> COMMISSIONER STURGES: THANK YOU, MAYOR.
I KNOW WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT THEDIFFERENCES OF HOW WE ARE GOING TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY AND ALL THE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY DO IT . BUT NOBODY HAS COME UP WITH THE ANSWER AND SAID HERE'S THE GOLDEN ANSWER, HERE'S HOW WE ARE GOING TO COME UP WITH AN EXTRA $5 MILLION EVERY YEAR UNTIL WE CREATE THIS DEFICIT AND GET RID OF IT.
SO, IT'S GOING TO BE A HARD LOOK AT THIS BUDGET CYCLE, JUST AS MUCH AS ANY OTHER BUDGET CYCLE, WE CAN GENERATE AND START THAT IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
JUST LIKE WHEN I RUN MY BUSINESS, IF I SEE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE ALWAYS GOING NEGATIVE, WHY IS THIS JOB COSTING MORE THAN IT SHOULD COST? THERE'S A REASON, THERE'S A PROBLEM THERE TYPICALLY POINT SO, OUR PROBLEM IS HERE AND IT'S A MATTER OF COMING UP WITH THE SMART INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE UP HERE AND COMING UP WITH THE RIGHT ANSWER. AND SOMETIMES, THAT MIGHT BE CUTTING BACK IN SOME AREAS. WE MIGHT HAVE TO THINK LONG AND HARD ABOUT WHERE WE ARE GOING TO CUT BACK.
IN ORDER TO START FUNDING THESE DEFICIENCIES.
SO, NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR A CUT BACK, BUT THAT COULD BE THE HARD B& TO SAY. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE TO MAKE A
DENT IN THIS SOMEHOW. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH:
COMMISSIONER BEAN? >> COMISSIONER BEAN: THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I WANT TO BRING THIS BACK TO WHERE WE STARTED OF THIS CONVERSATION IS ABOUT.
THIS ISN'T ABOUT HOW WE ARE GOING TO FIND EVERYTHING ON THIS LIST, THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS YET TO BE FUNDED? IS ALL 40 MILLION GOING TO BE FUNDED IN ONE YEAR? ABSOLUTELY NOT. WE NEED TO MAKE A PLAN AT WORK ON THAT TOGETHER. I THINK WE ARE IN A GREAT PLACE AS A CITY AND WE KNOW THIS INFORMATION.
I WANT TO SEE IT FROM STAFF. COMMISSIONER ROSS HAS A LIST WITH EVERYTHING ON THERE, I WANT TO SEE IT FROM STAFF, OF WHAT STAFF THINKS WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE FUNDED, AND SO, THERE'S MULTIPLE TIERS HERE. OF COURSE, THERE'S GOING TO BE THINGS THAT ARE NICE TO HAVE, THERE'S THINGS WE DEFINITELY NEED TO FUND, AND THAT WILL BE A DECISION ONCE WE HAVE THIS PLAN. WHEN WE HAVE THE PLAN, THAT'S WHAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT HOW WE ARE GOING TO FUND EVERYTHING ON THERE. LET'S FIND OUT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO FUND FIRST, THEN LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW WE ARE GOING TO
FUND IT. >> MAYORLEDNOVICH: VICE MAYOR KREGER MARK .> VICE MAYOR KREGER: YOU WILL REMEMBER WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FIVE-YEAR BUDGET CAPITAL PLAN, YOU ALMOST INVARIABLY SEE THAT EVERYTHING IS A PRIORITY AT ONE OR SIX WHICH HAS TO BE DONE. SO, PUTTING IN THE PROPER PRIORITY OF WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO.
SO, AS AN EXAMPLE, SO WE SET THE GOAL OF A BILLION IN THE TIER 1, AND TIER 1 WAS REAL COMPREHENSIVE, AND THE CITY ENGINEER, HIS MEMO CAME OUT THE 10TH OF MAY, IT WAS ACTUALLY SENT OUT BY EMAIL TO ALL OF US HERE.
AND STRUCTURAL EVALUATION IS IN THERE, 25 MILLION.
THE STRUCTURE REPAIRS OF 250, 100,000, THOSE ARE ESTIMATES THAT ARE HARD TO MAKE. BUT IT'S IN THERE.
DEEMED AS ADEQUATE AND ACTUALLY, THAT REPORT ACTUALLY IDENTIFIED THE LARGEST EXPANSE ATLANTIC CENTER IN YEAR 10, SO WE ARE ACCELERATING. THOSE ARE DECISIONS WE NEED TO MAKE ON WHAT'S IMPORTANT AND WHAT'S NOT IMPORTANT.
IS 1 MILLION FIRE TRUCKS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE THIS YEAR.
SO, WE'VE DONE THOSE THINGS. TO GET ADEQUATE INSTEAD OF BEING WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S TO LOOK AT ALL OF THAT AND MAKE THE PRIORITY OF WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO, WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT, YOU KNOW?I THINK ATHLETIC FENCING IS ONE WE JUST KEPT PUSHING BACK, PUSHING BACK.HOSE WAY TO DO THOSE THINGS, THERE'S MONEY, WE HAVE THE AMERICAN RESCUE FUND, WE HAVE MONEY WE CAN MOVE AROUND BASED ON PRIORITIES. AND THOSE PRIORITIES WILL BE SET BECAUSE WE WILL SEE IT ALL. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.
THIS IS A YEAR TO GET THE REPORTS.
MAKE GOOD DECISIONS. BETTER DECISIONS.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: COMMISSIONER STURGES?
>> COMMISSIONER STURGES: THANK YOU, MAYOR.
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I THINK YOU ARE CORRECT, HOWEVER WE NEED A PLAN.LIKE WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, WE'VE GOT THE REPORTS, IT'S GREAT THAT YOU BROUGHT THIS UP IN WORKSHOP, BUT WE NEED A PLAN. WE HAVEN'T GOT A PLAN YET, AND OBVIOUSLY, WE NEED TO PLAN, SO THE PLAN IS WHERE WE DETERMINE WHAT'S IMPORTANT AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHERE THE MONEY NEEDS TO BE. THANK YOU.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: COMMISSIONER ROSS?
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: SO, CAN WE HAVE CONSENSUS THAT WE WILL NOT PASS A BUDGET UNTIL WE HAVE CONNED UP WITH A FUNDING SOURCE, STAFF, WITH ALL THE NEEDS OF THE CITY, AND WE WILL NOT PASS A BUDGET UNTIL WE HAVE THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, HOW YOU ARE GOING TO FUND ALL THESE NEEDS THAT STAFF TELLS US?
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: ABOUT $50 MILLION?
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: YEAH, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT ALL KINDS OF BUDGET WORKSHOPS. AND WE CAN SIT THERE AND WE CAN COME UP B& SO, I AGREE WITH YOU. WE NEED A PLAN, I AGREE WITH YOU. WE NEED TO IDENTIFY EVERYTHING IN THIS CITY THAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED.
I AGREE WITH THAT 100 PERCENT. AND I'VE BEEN ARTICULATING THAT FOR YEARS. SO, IF WE ARE AT THE TIPPING POINT, WE CAN DO THAT, I THINK THAT'S FANTASTIC.
LET'S ALL AGREE THAT WE WON'T GO HOME UNTIL WE HAVE A PLAN.
THAT WE CAN FUND IN SOME WAY. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: GENTLEMEN? WHAT'S YOUR RESPONSE TO COMMISSIONER ROSS?
VICE MAYOR KREGER MARK. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: I THINK YOU GET THE PLAN, YOU LOOK AT THE 10 YEARS AND YOU SEE WHERE IT IS, AND IT'S INTERESTING THAT B& YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE TO USE NUMBERS BECAUSE YOU THROW OUT NUMBERS AND PEOPLE TEND TO BELIEVE YOU. [LAUGHING]
>> WHAT EXACTLY DOES THAT MEAN? >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: LET ME GIVE YOU A GOOD EXAMPLE.26 MILLION ORIGINALLY.
19 MILLION, BACK TO 20 MILLION, BACK TO 8 MILLION.
YOU NEED A GOOD, FIRM PLAN IN NUMBERS.
NEED TO DECIDE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO.CAN WE SAY WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO IT?BOND ISSUE WILL COME BACK UP FOR DISCUSSION PROBABLY AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
BOND ISSUE SHOULDN'T BE LET'S GIVE EVERYBODY SOMETHING ONCE, LET'S IDENTIFY WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE, THAT $50 MILLION.
IT COULD BE. SO, I THINK WE GET THE PLAN AND WE DECIDE WHAT WE ARE GOING TO FUND , UM, THERE WILL BE SOME DECISIONS MADE ON THESE BUILDINGS, AND THESE BUILDINGS HAVE THE MAY 10 REPORT. WHEN WE MOVED TO SPEND $945,000 IN YEAR ONE AND TWO, WE ARE MAKING A COMMITMENT ON THAT BUILDING. SO, THAT'S HAPPENING WITH ALL FOUR OF THOSE BUILDINGS, WE ARE ACCELERATING.
SOME OF THAT HAS TO BEB I WOULD LIKE A PLAN BEFORE I MAKE A COMMITMENT. BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE THE PLAN, AND THAT'S WHAT WE ARE SAYING.
WE'VE NEVER HADB AND SO, THE NEXT 10 YEARS, WE WILL PUT THE PLAN ON AND COME UP WITH THE NUMBERS.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: COMMISSIONER BEAN IS UP NEXT.
AND THEN YOU. >> COMISSIONER BEAN: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I WILL REITERATE WHAT THE VICE MAYOR SAID. CAN I COMMIT TO FUNDING THAT $50 MILLION, THE ANSWER IS NO, I CANNOT.
BECAUSE WHAT IS THE $50 MILLION? IT'S A LIST, I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHAT'S ON THE LIST, IT'S YOUR LIST. I'M NOT GOING TO COMMIT FUNDING ON THAT LIST. WHAT I WILL COMMIT TO DOING IS I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT PLAN. STAFF THAT HAS THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN TO WHAT WE PLAN TO FUND, THEN OTHER THINGS FOR STAFF THAT WE SHOULD PROBABLY FUND, AND THEN LET'S LOOK AT THAT.
WILL I COMMIT TO FUNDING EVERYTHING ON THAT PLAN? NO, I THINK IT'S OUR JOB AS A COMMISSION TO LOOK AT EACH ITEM, DETERMINE IF IT'S WORTH THE THING TO FUND, THEN MOVE FROM THERE. SO, THE PLAN IS, LET'S SEE STAFF PLAN, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT IT, AND LET'S DETERMINE WHAT NEEDS TO BE FUNDED ON THAT PLAN.
THANK YOU. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH:
COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M ASKING YOU TO COMMIT TO.
LET'S COME UP WITH THE STAFF, WHAT THEY HAVE DONE FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THIS COMMISSION, AND THE LAUNDRY LIST OF ALL THE THINGS THAT COULD BE FUNDED, AND THEN ARE YOU WILLING TO COMMIT, AND WHATEVER WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY YOU WANT, FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS, 1000 YEARS, THIS IS HOW DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME, WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT, AND THIS IS HOW WE INTEND TO PAY FOR IT. LOOK THE VOTER IN THE EYE AND SAY WE ARE GOING TO COMMIT TO THIS AND THIS IS HOW I'M GOING TO PAY FOR IT. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING YOU TO COMMIT TO. NOT ONLY TELL THEM WHAT'S ON THE LIST, THIS IS HOW WE ARE GOING TO HONESTLY PAY FOR IT.
AND NOT B& SOME LIGHT IN THE SK THAT WE ARE GOING TO RUN A FUND, WE ARE GOING TO DO THIS, GOING TO DO THAT.
THIS IS THE WAY YOU'RE GOING TO FUND IT.
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REALISTICALLY. THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING YOU TO COMMIT TO. ARE YOU WILLING TO SAY TO THE VOTERS, THIS IS WHAT THE CITY NEEDS AND THE STAFF WILL PROVIDE IT, NOT ME.I MEAN, MOST OF THESE THINGS I'VE TAKEN OFF BUDGET, SO IT'S NOT MY STUFF, IT'S BUDGET STUFF.ARE YOU WILLING TO COMMIT TO, THIS IS THE WAY, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN THE NEXT THREE, FIVE, 10 YEARS, WHATEVER IT IS, AND THEN THIS IS THE WAY WE INTEND TO FUND IT.
OR GOING TO WHAT COMMISSIONER STURGES JUST SAID, WE NEED TO GET THIS OUT, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO CUT THIS OUT OF THE BUDGET. BECAUSE QUITE HONESTLY, THIS CITY HAS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF STUFF.
WE OWN ALL KINDS OF STUFF. I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT THE CEMETERY, YOU LOOK AT THE LIGHTHOUSE, BEACH WALKOVER'S, PARKING LOTS, ROADS, I MEAN, THEY CAME UP WITH A PLAN OF 800,000, $850,000 A YEAR, WHICH STAFF RECOMMENDED, TO FUND ROADS. THE COMMISSIONERS DIDN'T COMMIT TO IT. AND SOMEONE THEY'VE GIVEN THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS OVER THE YEARS, AND WE CUT IT, WEEPING THE CITY COMMISSION, CUTS IT OUT EVERY YEAR.
AND ARE YOU WILLING TO COMMIT TO COME UP WITH HERE IS THE LIST FOR FIVE YEARS, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO IN THE NEXT FIVE? THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: VICE MAYOR KREGERMARK .
>> VICE MAYOR KREGER: TO ME, THAT'S NO PROBLEM.
YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE LIST, SEE WHAT'S IN THERE, COMMIT TO A PLAN TO CORRECT OR ELIMINATE, WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO BE, I SEE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF WHAT I'M DISCUSSING, WE HAVE TO DO THAT STUFF AT SOME POINT.
AND YOU CAN GO BEYOND 10 YEARS. SO YEAH.
>> SO, WE HAVE TO? >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: WE HAVE
THREE. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: NOT EVERYTHING WILL GET DONE. WE ARE GOING TO SEE SOME THINGS THAT ARE NOT DOABLE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DO BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: COMMISSIONER BEAN?
>> COMISSIONER BEAN: THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.
I THINK YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO TALK AT SOME POINT, I DON'T WANT TO KEEP THIS DISCUSSION GOING, BUT YES, I WILL COMMIT TO MAKING A PLAN. AND THEN WE HAVE A PLAN.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: OKAY, COMMISSIONER STURGES?
>> AND SECOND ON THAT. THAT WAS REAL SIMPLE.
ALL I HAD TO DO WAS ASK. [LAUGHING] I WILL COMMIT TO THAT, MAKE A PLAN. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S ALL GOING TO GET FUNDED AT ONE TIME, I DON'T KNOW WE ARE GOING TO GET ALL CAUGHT UP IN FIVE YEARS, THAT JUST SOUNDS RIDICULOUS. AND WHAT I HEAR AND WHAT DOESN'T SOUND RIDICULOUS IS, OKAY, LET'S SAY WE HAD A PLAN TO GENERATE ENOUGH MONEY SOMEHOW.
OKAY, BUT WE WROTE FOR FIVE GRANTS AND WE DID GET THESE GRANTS. SO OKAY, WE DO GET 2 TO 5 GRANTS, THAT CAN GET B& HELP SECURE FINANCIAL NEEDS.
BUT I KNOW WE HAVE GOTTEN THEM IN THE PAST FOR CERTAIN THINGS, BOARDWALKS, RENOVATION TO THE PET CENTER, ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT WE CAN'T RELY ON THAT.
AND SO, I DON'T THINK IT'S ALL GOING TO GET FIXED AND I DON'T THINK IT'S ALL GOING TO GET FIXED IN FIVE YEARS, I CAN SAY THAT RIGHT NOW. HOWEVER, IF WE HAVE A DILIGENT PLAN AND WE HAVE THE RIGHT PLAN AND WE ARE FOLLOWING THE PLAN AND NOT JUST GOING AFTER SHINY THINGS, I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE GOAL IS. SOB& THANK YOU.
[COUGHING] >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH:
COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: SO, WE HAD A PARKS AND REC PLAN. EVERYBODY VOTED FOR IT.
WE'VE HAD ALL KINDS OF PLANS. WE GET GREAT PLANS.WE'VE GOT STACKS OF PLANS. THE PROBLEM IS WE HAVE NO COMMITMENT TO FUND THEM. I'M JUST GOING TO LEAVE IT THERE. YOU CAN COMMIT TO A PLAN, BUT A PLAN WITHOUT A WAY TO FUND IT IS HOPE AND HOPE EIGHT
STRATEGY, SOTHAT'SB&. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: VICE MAYOR
KREGER ? >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS IS TO MOVE TOWARDS GETTING GOOD PLANS, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS, INTERNAL PLAN, CONSISTENT, PUT ALL THE STUFF DOWN, THIS IS JUST THE RIGHT TIME TO DO IT.
BUDGETS COMING UP SOON, THEY ARE WORKING, THE CAPITOL IMPROVEMENT COMMITTEE IS WORKING ON IT, THEY'RE WORKING ON THESE THINGS AND CAN GIVE US THE INFORMATION TO MOVE FORWARD
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AND GET A LOT OF STUFF DONE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.AND WE WILL SEE WHAT COMES UP. AND YOU KNOW, SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT WE NEED TO DO.
SOB&. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: OKAY.
HAS YOUR QUESTION BEEN ANSWERED, COMMISSIONER ROSS?
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: NOT REALLY, NO.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: HOW HASN'T IT?
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I NEED, WE HAVE AN AUDIENCE JEREMIAH, WHO COMES UP EVERY YEAR WITH A PLAN FOR CAPITAL REPLACEMENT FOR VEHICLES. HE WORKED HARD, IT'S A GOOD PLAN,IT WORKS . AND I ALREADY HEARD WE PUT A MORATORIUM ON THAT FOR TWO YEARS.
SO, WE HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE BY STAFF, IT'S A GOOD PLAN, BUT WE DON'T FUND IT. AND EVERY YEAR, AND HE, WE ALL ARGUE ABOUT THIS CAR, THAT CAR, THE OTHER CAR, INSTEAD OF JUST TAKING THE STAFFB& YOU HAVE A MAN WHO HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN DOING THE FLEET, I'M JUST USING THIS AS ONE EXAMPLE, HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN FLEET MANAGEMENT, AND HE COMES IN AND SAYS HERE'S THE PLAN. THEN EVERYBODY TRIES TO PICK IT APART. WE HAVE THE GREATESTB WE ALL SAY HOW GREAT THE STAFF IS, THEY DO GREAT WORK, EVERYTHING IS WONDERFUL, AND WHEN THE STAFF COMES IN WITH A PLAN AND SAYS THIS IS WHAT I NEED, THIS IS WHAT I NEED TO DO MY JOB, AND THEN WE PICK IT APART. WE BEING CITY COMMISSIONS.
IT'S NOT JUST THIS ONE. SO, YEAH, WE ARE GOING TO COME UP WITH A PLAN, WE'VE ALL COMMITTED TO A PLAN.
IT COMMITTED TO LOTS OF PLANS. WHAT I WANT TO HEAR A COMMITMENT TO IS I'M GOING TO LOOK THE VOTERS IN THE EYE AND TELL THEM EITHER WE CAN FUND THIS OR WE NEED TO SOMEHOW FIGURE OUT WE CAN'T FUND IT AND MOVE ON.
I MEAN, SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS, MAYBE WE SHOULD SELL, GET RID OF THEM OR TAKE THEM DOWN OR DO OTHER THINGS WITH THEM OR FINDING PEOPLE TO USE THEM.
BUT B& I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO EXAMPLES.
BUT WE HAVE A BUSINESS PLAN WHERE WE SPENT MORE THAN WE BRING IN. AND WE FOUND THAT BY DEFERRING EVERYTHING. DIFFERENT MAINTENANCE.
AND SO, THAT BUSINESS PLAN DOESN'T WORK.
NO BUSINESS CAN SURVIVE THAT WAY.
IN THE CITY CAN'T SURVIVE, IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE.
AND SO, I AM COMMITTING TO TAKING A GOOD, HARD LOOK AT THIS BUDGET CYCLE AND COMING UP WITH A PLAN JUST AS Y'ALL WANT, BUT THEN TALK ABOUT THIS IS WHAT WE CAN AFFORD, THIS IS WHAT WE CAN'T AFFORD, AND HERE'S WHAT WE CAN PROBABLY FUND. AND DEPENDING ON GRANTS, GRANTS ARE ELUSIVE AND NOT PARTICULARLY AVAILABLE, IT'S NOT AWAY, THOUGHTS OF HOPE. AND SURE, BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING FOR, COMMITMENT TO WE WILL NOT ONLY COME UP WITH A PLAN, BUT HOW TO FUND THAT PLAN.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: COMMISSIONER BEAN?
>> COMISSIONER BEAN: THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.
COMMISSIONER ROSS, I'M HALFWAY THERE.
TO CLARIFY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, YOU'RE ASKING ME TO COMMIT TO FUND A PLAN THAT WE ALL HAVEN'T SEEN.
THEN I WILL COMMIT TO FUNDING THE PLAN, I'M TOTALLY WITH YOU, BUT I WILL NOT COMMIT TO FUNDING A PLAN THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN. THAT WOULD BE BAD BUSINESS.
I THINK OUR JOB IS TO SCRUTINIZESPENDING, MAKE SURE IT'S THE APPROPRIATE SPENDING FOR OUR CITY , AND THAT'S WHAT
I WILL CONTINUE TO DO. >>MAYOR LEDNOVICH: VICE MAYOR
KREGER ?>> VICE MAYOR KREGER: WHEN I TALK ABOUT A MORATORIUM ON VEHICLES, WHAT I'M SAYING IS PRIORITIZE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO.WE HAVE THE BEST LOOKING FLEET IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.
WE'VE GOT BUILDINGS THAT ARE FALLING APART, WHICH WE DIDN'T MAINTAIN. YOU BALANCE THAT.
SO, IF YOU HAVE TO DRIVE A CAR YEAR LONGER, AND YOU FIX ATLANTIC CENTER, YOU FIX MLK. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.
IT'S NOT VEHICLES, IT'S EVERYTHING, THE PRIORITY OF EVERYTHING. LOOK AT THE PRIORITY ON A FIVE-YEAR EXPENSE PLAN. THE OLD ONES AND SIXES ALMOST.
THAT CAN'T POSSIBLY BE, EVERYTHING CAN'T BE A PRIORITY ONE AND WE CAN'T DO IT.SO, LET'S PUT THE RIGHT PRIORITIES.
THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. YOU KNOW, FOR EVERYTHING.
TALK ABOUT RESILIENCY, ALL RIGHT? RESILIENCY IS SAYING THAT IT CAN BE A LONG-TERM PLANNING ISSUE YEARS BEFORE, FIVE, SIX, AND BEYOND.
YOU LOOK AT THE REALITY OF THE SEA LEVEL RISE, WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING, SO YOU LOOK AT THOSE THINGS AND HE PUT A PRIORITY,
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THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. I THINK EVERYBODY IS REALLY IN AGREEMENT. THAT'S MY INTERPRETATION OF HOW WE MOVE FORWARD. AND WE MOVE FORWARD TO HAVING A FIVE-YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND 10 YEAR OUTLOOK, WHICH INCLUDES ALL FUNDED AND UNFUNDED PROJECTS, PRIVATE AND PUBLIC, JUST LIKE THE STATE LAW REQUIRES.BUT IT'S NOT THE STATE LAWS ISSUE, IT'S THE PLANNING THEY PROVIDE US, AND IT'S OURS, IT'S NOT A CONSULTANT PLAN THAT'S HIGH IN THE SKY, IT'S OUR STAFF COMING UP WITH IT.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: COMMISSIONER STURGES.
>> COMMISSIONER STURGES: THANK YOU, MAYOR.
ALSO, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WILL REITERATE IS WE DO HAVE ALL THESE AMENITIES, WE DO HAVE ALL THESE BUILDINGS, WE DO HAVE OUR OWN WATER AND SEWER PLANT, WE DO HAVE OUR OWN STREET COMPARTMENT, WE DO HAVE ALL THESE THINGS B I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO GET RID OF OUR INCOME GENERATORS, AS WELL AS, UM, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO CONCENTRATE ON WAYS THAT THE CITY CAN GENERATE INCOME IN OTHER AREAS, WITHOUT DEPRIVING, UM, THE CITIZENS OF B& THE WATE OR THE PARK OR WHATEVER THE CASE IS. WHAT I'M SHOOTING AT IS THERE NEEDS TO BE INCOME GENERATORS. SO IN BUSINESS, WHEN YOU'RE BEHIND, THERE'S TWO THINGS TO DO.
EITHER YOU CUT BACK OR YOU ADD MORE INCOME OR BOTH.
SO, THOSE ARE THE HARD LOOKS WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO, AND I THINK THAT'S THE ANSWER. PIT MAY NOT HAPPEN IN FIVE YEARS, IT COULD TAKE 15 YEARS, BUT IF WE START IT AND STICK WITH IT, THIS COMMISSION, WHETHER I'M SITTING HERE OR ANY OF THE PEOPLE UP HERE ARE SITTING HERE OR NOT SITTING HERE, IT COULD BE SOMEBODY ELSE SITTING HERE IN 10 YEARS, BUT THE REALITY IS IF WE HAVE A PLAN AND WE GO OVER IT, WE CAN FOLLOW THROUGH WITH IT AND IT CAN HAPPEN, AS LONG AS WE GENERATE A GOOD PLAN AND WE HAVE A PLAN OF ACTION.
SO, THANK YOU. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: COMMISSIONER ROSS, DO YOU HAVE A NEW THOUGHT?
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I DO. THE NEXT WORKSHOP, I'M GOING TO BRING UP TO NEW WAYS TO GENERATE AND SEE HOW IT GOES.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: ALL RIGHT. SO, COMMISSIONER ROSS IS CORRECT IN THAT THIS COMMISSION IN PAST COMMISSIONS HAVE PASSED THE VOTE. I'M GUILTY OF IT, COMMISSIONER ROSS IS GUILTY OF IT, VICE IS GUILTY OF IT, AND EVENTUALLY, COMMISSIONER BEAN AND STURGES WILL BE GUILTY OF IT.
BECAUSE THERE'S SO ONLY SO MUCH MONEY.AND I DISAGREE WITH YOU, COMMISSIONER ROSS, WHEN JEREMIAH DOES WORK VERY HARD ON HIS PLAN, HE STEPS UP TO THE LECTERN AND HE'S GETTING QUESTIONED ABOUT A VEHICLE, IT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE XML OF MONEY. IF WE FUND IT, EVERYTHING THAT STAFF WANTED, WE HAVE TO DOUBLE THE MILITARY.
SO, HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE HAVE, HOW MUCH MONEY ARE WE GOING TO ALLOCATE, AND WHAT ARE WE GOING TO FUND? AND THAT'S A TOUGH JOB.AND THAT'S HOW THE PLAYGROUND HAPPENED, THAT'S HOW ROADS HAPPEN, THAT'S HOW B& THAT'S HO THE WALKOVER'S HAPPENS.WHEN YOU BUDGET $50,000 A YEAR FOR WALKOVER MAINTENANCE, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN? THEY'RE GOING TO FALL DOWN, EVENTUALLY.
OKAY? SO, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT IN THAT WE NEED TO FIGURE THIS OUT.
I AGREE WITH YOU 100 PERCENT, ALL RIGHT?THE PROCEDURE IN MY MIND IS FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE TO PASS THE BUDGET.
THAT'S NUMBER ONE, THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE TASK, WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED NEXT YEAR IN THE BUDGET AND HOW MUCH MONEY WILL WE HAVE? SECONDARY, SO, WE HAVE THE FOUR BUILDINGS. GUESS WHAT BUILDING ISN'T INCLUDED? THIS BUILDING.
WHICH NEEDS $2 MILLION. 40 PEOPLE WORK IN THIS BUILDING GIVEN THE PATCHWORK OF ELECTRICAL THAT WE HAVE UPSTAIRS, THERE'S A LOT THAT THIS BUILDING NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED, AND PO IT TO THE CITY EMPLOYEES TO GIVE THEM A WORKABLE SPACE TO DO THEIR JOB. IT'S NOT EVEN ON HERE.
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SO TO YOUR POINT, VICE A, 2.2 IN THE BUILDINGS THAT MR. GEORGE OUTLINE, THAT'S 2 MILLION.ON TOP OF THAT, 1.4 FOR FIRETRUCKS.
THAT'S 5.7 MILLION, WHERE IS THAT COMING FROM? OUR TAXES THAT MUCH? THAT'S IN OUR FACE, IT'S AN IMPORTANT, AND IT'S URGENT. AND THAT'S THE TASK THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US. WHEN I LOOK AT RESILIENCY, I HAVE B& IF YOU KNOW THE PLAN, PLEASE ARTICULATE IT RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IT. I DON'T KNOW THE PLAN FOR THE PLAYGROUND. IF SOMEONE KNOWS THE PLAN, PLEASE ARTICULATE IT TO ME. THAT'S GOING TO BE AT LEAST ANOTHER HALF-MILLION FOR A NEW PLAYGROUND.
AT THE MINIMUM. SO, TO YOUR POINT, COMMISSIONER ROSS, WHERE IS THIS MONEY COMING FROM? OUR FIRST TASK IS THAT BUDGET, WHAT CAN WE AFFORD?WE DON'T EXPECT THE WORK OF JEREMIAH, IT'S WHAT DO WE HAVE MONEY FOR? WHAT CAN WE AFFORD, WHAT ARE THE PRIORITIES?
SO, THAT'S MY VIEW OF THIS. >> UNTIL WE KNOW WHAT THEY ARE, AND FOR EXAMPLE, CITY HALL IS INTHEIR .
THEN IT'S IN THEIR 25, 26. THEN THE NEXT YEAR, IT'S TWO OR 3 MILLION. SO, THEY NEED TO BE THERE.
THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO HAVE TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.
AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE TOUGH DECISIONS.
SOME OF IT'S GOING TO GET DEFERRED.
>> MY FINAL POINT THAT I LOST IN MY NOTES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT SO MUCH, FOR THE LONGEST TIME, THIS CITY HAS BEEN GOING IT ALONE. WHAT DO I MEAN BY THAT? 1.4 MILLION TOURISTS, DRIVEN BY 90 PERCENT OF TAX MONEY FOR MARKET. SO, WE HAVE THE TOURISM, BUT WE DON'T GET ANY MONEY FOR THE WEAR AND TEAR ON DOWNTOWN.
THAT PARTY IS OVER, WE ARE GOING IT ALONE.
THE COUNTY NOW WANTS TO TAKE THAT MONEY OVER THE BRIDGE.
REALLY? SAME THING AT THE BEACH.
WE DRIVE TOURISTS TO THE BEACH, THEY USE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
I KNOW I'M PREACHING TO THE CHOIR HERE, BUT THIS HAS GOT TO CHANGE. OKAY, TO COMMISSIONER ROSS'S POINT, NOT SUSTAINABLE. IT JUST ISN'T, FOLKS.
THE PARTY IS OVER. GETTING STUFF AWAY, NOT CHARGING, IT'S OVER. WE NEED TO FIGURE THIS OUT, SO, THAT'S THE BAD NEWS. BUT WE NEED TO START CALLING ON OUR PARTNERS, BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ALONE.
THEY'RE PART OF THE COUNTY. EVERYBODY PAYS COUNTY TAXES.
OKAY, COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT YOU ARE RIGHT.
THE FIRST STEP TO PASSING A BUDGET IS SETTING THE MILLAGE RATE. AND IF YOU SET THE MILLAGE RATE IN THE ROLLBACK RATE, WE WILL HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE HAD LAST YEAR. BUT THIS YEAR, WE HAVE 2 MILLION MORE DOLLARS IN EXPENSES FOR SALARIES, AS EVERYBODY KNOWS. FUEL HAS GONE UP, EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP, AND SO, THE FIRST JOB B& IS TO SET A MILLAGE RATE.
A ROLLBACK RATE, THE ESTIMATE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ANNEXATION, THIS IS A REALLY ROUGH NUMBER THE IS ELUSIVE, ABOUT $300,000, AND THAT'S NOT MUCH.
SO, THAT'S GOING TO BE THE FIRST TASK.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.ALL RIGHT, ANYONE ELSE? ARE WE GOOD ON THIS? WE ARE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THIS A LOT MORE.
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>> A FEW SECONDS. SINCE WE HAVE A FEW SECONDS, I WILL TAKE MY TIME TO GET ON MY SOAPBOX AND SAY MY STANDARD ANSWER EVERY TIME, ANNEXATION. OUR CITY NEEDS TO ANNEX MORE AREAS, EVERY AREA WE ANNEX, YES, WE ARE PUTTING A LITTLE MORE BURDEN ON OUR WATER AND SEWER, BUT WHAT WE ARE DOING IS SUPPLYING MORE TAXPAYERS TO PAY THAT.
THERE'S NO REASON, WE HAVE A STATE OF THE ART WATER AND SEWER SYSTEM, THEY ARE ANNEXING.
LATER ON IN THIS MEETING, WE HAVE ONE OR TWO ANNEXATIONS THIS EVENING. THEY ARE DOING IT ORGANICALLY.
BUT THE REALITY IS, FROM ONE OF YOUR ANSWERS, IS IF THE CITY WENT ON AND ANNEXATION PICK INSTEAD OF KICKING THE BALL DOWN THE ROAD AND DECIDED ONCE WE GOT WITH THE COUNTY WHERE WE ARE GOING TO GO AND JUST DECIDED TO START ANNEXING A CERTAIN AREA, A LOT OF THESE PROBLEMS WOULD GO AWAY.
AND NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR THAT BECAUSE THEY WANT TO KEEP GETTING IT FOR FREE. OR START PAID PARKING RIGHT OUT THERE, EVERYWHERE. OR SOME OTHER WAY TO GENERATE MONEY, BUT THE ANSWER IS CORRECT.
AND I DON'T LIKE TO SAY THAT EITHER.
I'M THE LAST ONE THAT WANTS TO SAY PAID PARKING.
BUT THE REALITY IS, THE MONEY IS NOT COMING IN.
WE DON'T HAVE AN ABUNDANCE OF MONEY.IT'S NOT HERE.
SO, YOU HAVE $2 MILLION, WHICH WE DID THIS YEAR FOR THE EMPLOYEES, THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
NOW, WE HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. SO, HOW'S THAT GOING TO HAPPEN?
AND OF STORY. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH:
COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT ANNEXATION, BUT THERE'S ONE LITTLE PROBLEM.
FLORIDA LEGISLATURE. AND IF YOU LOOK AT ALL THEIR RULES ABOUT ANNEXATION, WHEN YOU SAY WE HAVE TRIED IN THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS WORKED DILIGENTLY TO TRY AND ANNEX EVERYTHING THAT WE COULD, BUT THE PEOPLE HAVE TO AGREE TO BEING ANNEXED. AND WHY WOULD YOU, WHEN YOU CAN GET IT FOR FREE, PAY MORE TAX, UM, TO HAVE THE SERVICES THAT THEY USE? AND THERE IS A FELLOW WHO WRITES A COLUMN EVERY WEEK, WHO LIVES IN THE CITY, LIVES IN THE COUNTY, EXCUSE ME, AND ALWAYS IS CRITICIZING THE CITY AND SAYS WERE DOING THIS AND REDOING THAT POINT WELL YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU LIVE IN THE COUNTY AND YOU DON'T PAY CITY TAX, SO YOU WERE RIGHT, THE CITY SUBSIDIZES A LOT OF THINGS. TOURISTS BRING IN A LOT.
BUT THE PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY WHO USE OUR FACILITIES AND PARTICULARLY OUR RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, DO NOT PAY.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: VICE MAYOR, YOU HAVE THE FINAL WORD, THEN
WE ARE GOING TO WRAP THIS UP. >> THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS WAS TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AND INSUFFICIENT TIME TO GET THESE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS COMPLETE FOR THE BUDGET PROCESS, SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY SET A MILLAGE RATE AND BUDGET BASED ON WHAT PRIORITIES BE SET IN THE NEEDSS, THAT WAS
THE WHOLE POINT. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: IT WAS A VERY ROBUST, THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSION, AND I THANK YOU, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, FOR DOING THAT.
THAT'S WHAT A WORKSHOP IS ALL ABOUT.
ALL RIGHT, WITH THAT, BEFORE I ADJOURN, IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK AT THE REGULAR CITY COMMISSION MEETING, THE SPEAKERS FORUMS WILL BE IN THAT BASKET, IF YOU WILL PLEASE FILL IT OUT, I WILL APPRECIATE IT. I WOULD ALSO ASK YOU, UM, YOU GET THREE MINUTES, THREE MINUTES GOES REALLY FAST.
IF YOU HAVE WRITTEN SOMETHING OUT, IF YOU WOULD UNDERLINE THE POINTS YOU WANT TO MAKE, INSTEAD OF READING YOUR STATEMENT, THAT WAY, IT WILL FIT IN, ON, ALL THE POINTS YOU WANT US TO HEAR. BECAUSE IF YOU START READING, YOU MAY RUN OUT OF TIME, SO FOR PUBLIC SPEAKERS, THAT'S MY
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