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>> APRIL 19, 2022 COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY MEETING.
MADAME CLARK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.
>> HERE. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: THANK YOU.
HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS, PERSONAL DEVICES, AS I SAY EVERY MEETING, PLEASE TURN THEM OFF, PUT THEM ON SILENT OR AIRPLANE MODE. GREATLY APPRECIATED. COVID-19 IS STILL WITH US. SO, TAKE WHATEVER MEASURES WITHIN REASON NECESSARY TO PROTECT YOUR HEALTH OR THE HEALTH OF OTHERS. GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.
AND COMMISSIONERS? NO BLOOD. TREAT EACH OTHER WITH RESPECT, UM, IF YOU HAVE AN OPINION, STATE YOUR OPINION, DON'T PREFACE IT WITH SOME OTHER LINE. ALL RIGHT. ITEM 3.1,
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THE CRAAB PRESENTATION. CHAIR WILLRECOGNIZE MR. JACK KNOCKE .>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, I APPRECIATE YOU INVITING ME UP HERE AND ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE CRA ADVISORY BOARD. I HAVE A HARD TIME CALLING IT CRAAB . UM, SO, WHAT I WANTED TO DO TODAY IS WE HAVE A LITTLE PRESENTATION THAT'S SOMEWHAT FORMAL, AND I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU GUYS ASK QUESTIONS OR SEEK COMMENTS OR WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE. I REMEMBER OUR FIRST MEETING, LIKE THREE OBJECTIVES.
WE HAVE FOUR. SO, I WILL GO INTO DETAIL WITH EACH ONE OF THOSE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GOT A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE PRESENTATION, BUT WE ARE LOOKING TO ENGAGE THE PROPERTY OWNERS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN, BECAUSE THAT'S OBVIOUSLY ONE POTENTIAL ROADBLOCK FOR DEVELOPMENT. UM, WE WANT TO SUPPORT THE OBJECTIVES OF THE2005 PLAN , WE FOUND THAT THAT REALLY IS A PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WE WANTED TO START WITH THOUGHT, AND THEN WE WANTED TO CREATE AN ACTION PLAN FROM PROPERTY OWNERS, FROM OUR REVIEW OF THE PLAN, FROM A LOT OF THE, UM, EDUCATION THAT WE HAVE BEEN GETTING FROM THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS ON, AS FAR AS WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE CITY.
AND THEN WE ALSO WANTED TO LOOK AT THE FINANCE AND THE ANALYSIS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE LEVERAGING THE TOOLS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO ENERGIZE THE CRA. SO, THE FIRST THING THAT WE LOOKED OUT WAS THE, UM, THE LETTER THAT WE SENT TO THE WATERFRONT PROPERTY OWNERS AND UNDEVELOPED PROPERTY OWNERS AS WELL. UM, THE REASON BEING IS WE WANT TO ENGAGE ANYBODY WHO HAS NOT DEVELOPED AND SAY, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT ISIN THE WAY OF YOU , UM, DEVELOPING? OR IS THERE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE TO HELP YOUIN SOME WAY , UM, PUT YOUR PROPERTY TO USE.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: CAN WE ASK QUESTIONS? SO, YOU SENT THE LETTER IN MARCH, WHAT RESPONSE DID YOU GET?
>> I HAVE NO IDEA. >>MAYOR LEDNOVICH: OKAY.
>> JACK: AS FAR AS I KNOW, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY RESPONSES
YET. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: WERE THEY
SUPPOSED TO RESPOND TO YOU ? >> JACK: WE INVITED THEM TO REACH OUT TO ANYBODY ON THE BOARD, CITY, CITY MANAGER, WHOEVER. UM, SO, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY RESPONSES.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: OKAY. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: TO HAVE
TO PUT MY LIGHT ON? >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: YOU SHOULD PUT YOUR LIGHT ON. COMMISSIONER ROSS?
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: SO, THERE'S A LIST OF THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE VACANT PROPERTIES AND IT TURNS OUT B.
>> JACK: CAN I ASK WHERE YOU GOT THAT LIST?
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I SENT IT TO YOU. THIS IS THE LIST THAT WAS GIVEN TO ME BY THE PROPERTY APPRAISER. YOU WERE SENT A
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: AND IF YOU GO THROUGH THIS, ALL THE VACANT PROPERTIES, THERE'S FOUR PROPERTIES ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE RIVER TRACK , AND OTHERS THEIR OWN, THERE IS ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR OTHER PROPERTIES, SO WE ARE TALKING EIGHT PEOPLE?
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>> JACK: WHOEVER THE UNDEVELOPED OR VACANTB& I DIDN' DO THE ANALYSIS. WE ASKED THE CITY MANAGER TO DO THE ANALYSIS FOR US, SEND THOSE LETTERS OUT. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO GET, YOU KNOW, INFORMATION ABOUT WHO SENT THE LETTERS TO, I DON'T THINK WE'VE GOT ABOUT YET. SO THAT MAYBE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME FOLLOW-UP COMMUNICATION ORSOMETHING, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU SENT ONE , AND YOU DON'T GET A RESPONSE, HE SENT ANOTHER ONE. OUR TARGET IS TO MEET WITH THEM IN JUNE AND HAVE SOME TYPE OF INTERACTIVE SESSION. NO, MY EDUCATION IS THAT SOME OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS WANT TO SIT DOWN AND TALK WITH EACH OTHER AND POTENTIALLY, WITH A LIST OF THINGS COHESIVELY, WHICH IS WHAT I WOULDRECOMMEND TO THEM, TO SAY BRING YOUR LIST OF THINGS, UM, THE ALL OF YOU COLLECTIVELY MIGHT WANT . SOME OF YOU MIGHT WANT ALL OF THEM, SOME OF YOU MIGHT WANT ONE OF THEM, BUT AT LEAST WE WILL GET A CONVERSATION STARTED. AND I'VE GOTTEN SOME INDICATION THAT THERE IS INTEREST IN THAT, AND I AM HOPEFUL THAT IS
PRODUCTIVE. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: OKAY, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE COMMISSIONER ROSS? YOUR LIGHT IS STILL ON, SIR. THANKS. PLEASE CONTINUE.
>> JACK: OKAY. RIGHT, SO THEY WERE ENCOURAGED TO MEET WITH CRAAB MEMBERS, STAFF, REGULATORS, UM, ANYBODY THAT THEY WANT TO TO TRY TO GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT HOW TO MAKE THIS THING HAPPEN. UM, WHAT WE ARE PLANNING ON IS A JUNE WORKSHOP WHERE WE WILL INVITE THEM TO COME IN AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS, SHARE WHAT THEIR INTERESTS ARE, AND IDEALLY, THIS WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WILL GET US A CATALYST TO TRY TO MOVE FORWARD. THAT'S OUR OBJECTIVE. UM, WE DO ASK THAT THE CITY COMMISSION AND THE STAFF SUPPORT OUR EFFORT WITH POSITIVE ENGAGING RELATIONSHIP WITH THE PROPRIETORS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S BEEN A COMMON THEME IS EVER SPOKEN TO PROPERTY OWNERS OVER THE LAST YEAR AND THEY SAY, I DON'T TRUST THE CITY. I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO. WE HAVE AN EMINENT DOMAIN THAT HAPPENED, WE'VE GOT SEAWALL DRAWINGS THAT ARE GOING AROUND PROPERTIES THAT PROTECT SOME PROPERTIES IN THE CITY, BUT NOT OTHERS, WHICH SENDS A MESSAGE, SO WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS FIND A WAY TO GET A POSITIVE MESSAGE SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN SAY, WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF BRINGING PROPERTY OWNERS IN HERE AND WE ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH THEM. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE CUSTOMERS.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: COMMISSIONER ROSS?
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS, UM, I MEAN, I'VE TALKEDTO ACTUALLY ALMOST EVERY ONE OF THESE PROPERTY OWNERS AND THEY ALL SAY THE SAME THING. THE INFRASTRUCTURE , AND , UM, THAT WOULD MAKE US HAPPY. IN FACT, ONE OF THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IS SITTING RIGHT HERE IN THE ROOM IF YOU WANT TO ASK HER RIGHT NOW. SPEAK TO THAT. BUT WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD BY THE PEOPLE OF VACANT PROPERTIES IS ALL THEY REALLY WANT, NOT THE ONES ON THE WATER, BUT THE REST OF THEM WANT IMPROVEMENT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE. I WAS WONDERING IF YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION ON THAT?
>> JACK: I DO, THEY'RE SHARING SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH ME THAT WHAT THEY'RE SHARING WITH YOU. THEY WANT TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY. THEY WOULD LIKE THE CITY TO WORK WITH THEM. SO, THAT'S THE MESSAGE THAT I'M GETTING FROM PROPERTY OWNERS, THEY HAVEN'T SAID I HAVE TO HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE OR HAVE TO
HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH:
COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: SO, HOW WOULD THEY LIKE THE CITY TO WORK WITH THEM?
>> JACK: I DON'T KNOW, WE HAVEN'T HAD THEM COME INTO EVEN TELL US, THAT'S WHAT WERE ASKING. THE PROBLEM IS WHEN THEY'RE BEING TOLD THAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS AREN'T WORKING WITH US, THAT THERE NOT INTERESTED IN WORKING WITH THE CITY, AND THAT, UM, WE ALREADY TRIED EMINENT DOMAIN AND IT ISN'T WORKING, IT CREATES A SENSE OF HOPELESSNESS.
[COUGHING] >> AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE ARE TRYING TO CHANGE. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS, ONE OF THE THINGS ON OUR AGENDA, ONE OF RCRA ADVISORY BOARD MEETING MEMBERS RESIGNED THIS WEEK. AND THE MESSAGE, UNFORTUNATELY, COMMISSIONER ROSSDELIVERED THE MESSAGE , PROPERTY OWNERS DON'T WANT TO WORK WITH US . SO, NOTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN.
SO, WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN. AND WE ARE
RUNNING INTO SOME HEADWAY. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH:
COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I DID NOT DELIVER THAT MESSAGE. AND IF YOU'D LIKE, HE'SRIGHT HERE IN THE ROOM, HE CAN SPEAK . PERHAPS THE CITY COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO HEAR HIS COMMENTS. BECAUSE HE DID RESIGN. I DON'T THINK IT WAS WHAT I SAID THAT PROMPTED HIM
TO DO THAT. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: LET'S GET TO THE PRESENTATION. AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, HE IS WELCOME TO DO SO. > JACK: OKAY. SO, GOAL NUMBER TWO IS
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TO SUPPORT THE OBJECTIVES AND THE STRATEGIES OF THE 2005 CRA PLAN, AND I KNOW ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT MR. MAYOR, YOU SUGGESTED, IS THAT MAYBE WE REWRITE THE PLAN. AND AS WE READ IT, WE MET AS A GROUP AND WE SAID THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS IN THEIR THAT ARE REALLY STRONG. THERE MAYBE A FEW OTHERS THAT NEED TO BE ADDED AND TWEAKED AT SOME POINT, BUT WE FELT LIKE THERE WAS ENOUGH MEAT IN THE EXISTING PLAN THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT FIRST. ONES THAT ARE CRITICAL OR SHORTER-TERM SOLUTIONS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED 15 YEARS AGO OR MORE, AND TRY TO GET MOST OF THOSE IN PLACE. SOME OF THEM HAVE ALREADY HAPPENED, WHICH IS GOOD. SO, SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE HAS BEEN CHANGED, SOME THINGS HAVE BEEN UPGRADED. SO, WHAT WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DOINGRIGHT NOW IS WE ARE GOING THROUGH THAT PLAN, LOOKING AT EACH DIFFERENT SECTION TO SAY , WHAT IS IT THAT WE SHOULD SET AS A PRIORITY AND, UM, THEN WE WILL TRY TO ESTABLISH THAT FROM THE PLAN SIDE, AND THEN COMBINE THAT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS SIDE AND SEE IF WE CAN MEET IN THEMIDDLE SOMEPLACE. > MAYOR LEDNOVICH: OKAY, WHEN I SEE, UM, PRIORITIZE , UM, 2005 PLANOBJECTIVES , SO THAT ALWAYS TRIGGERS IN MY MIND WHAT'S THE DEADLINE FOR DOING THAT? YOU WANT TO DO THAT BY WHEN?>> JACK: WELL, WE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO BE LOOKING AT JULY, AUGUST TIMEFRAME, BUT B WE DON'T WANT TO SAY WHEN WE ARE DEFINITELY GOING TO HAVE SOME BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN IDEA OF WHEN THAT'S GOING TO BE. SO, WE DON'T KNOW FROM OUR ANALYSIS WHICH PROJECTS ARE GOING TO BE THE ONES AND HOW MUCH MORE EFFORT IT TAKES TO GET THOSE ACROSS THE FINISH LINE OR WHAT THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE GOING TO SUGGEST THAT WE WANT TO DELVE INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE, SOB& I APPRECIATE THE NEED FOR A DATE, THAT'S WHAT I DOING BUSINESS AS WELL, BUT WE ARE HEDGING ON THAT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE MIGHT NEED TIME AND WE DON'T WANT TO RUSH INTO AN ANSWER
THAT MAY NOT BE CORRECT. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: SO, I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY, THE ENGAGED OWNERSMEETING IN JUNE ,
THAT'S SETTING PRIORITIES. >> JACK: IN THEIR PRIORITIES ARE GOING TO MELT HOPEFULLY WITH OURS.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: CAN WE AT LEAST SAY BY THE END OF THE
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: BY DECEMBER 31?
>> JACK: WE SHOULD HAVE ACTION PLANSBEFORE THE END OF THE
YEAR. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: OKAY, THANK
YOU. >> JACK: I HOPE MY BOARD MEMBERS DON'T DISAGREE WITH ME ON THAT, BUTB .
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: YOU CAN COME BACK.
>> JACK: GOAL THREE IS PUTTING ANATIONAL PLAN TOGETHER. AND THE IDEA IS TO IDENTIFY THE IMMEDIATE NEEDS. AND WE WILL DO THAT BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR , IS OUR OBJECTIVE. THE FOURTH GOAL IS TO LOOK AT YOU, UM, FINANCES OF THE CRA. AND THE REVENUES THAT ARE GOING TO COME IN BASED ON THE PRIORITIES THAT WE LOOK AT OR THE COSTS INVOLVED IN INFRASTRUCTURE OR OTHER INVESTMENTS THAT NEED TO BE MADE. SO, WHAT OUR PLAN IS IS TO LOOK AT FORECASTING THE REVENUES, ESTIMATING FINANCING OPTIONS, AND EXPLORE GRANTS. AND ONE THING THAT HAS COME UP THIS WEEK THAT IS A LITTLE BIT OF CONCERN, WE LOOK AT THE CRA PLAN THAT YOU GUYS ARELOOKING AT APPROVING , THERE'S $1 MILLION IN FINANCING IN THERE. SO, THERE IS, THERE IS DEBT THAT WE ARE ASSUMING AS THE CRA ADVISORY BOARD AS WE WALK IN.
AND, UM, THE WAY THAT DEBT IS STRUCTURED IS ITS DEBT THAT IS PARTNERED WITH THE DEBT OF THE FIRE STATION. SO, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE COMBINED IN A SINGLE DEBT INSTRUMENT THAT IS UNDERNEATH THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY. SO, WHAT THAT DOES IS CREATES A LITTLE BIT OF A CHALLENGE. WE HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED ABOUT THE UNSUPPORTED GET BECAUSE IT JUST CAME TO MY ATTENTION THIS WEEK, BUT THAT MAY LIMIT OUR ABILITYTO ACTUALLY GO OUT AND GET FINANCING BASED ON THE REVENUES, BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADYPRIORITY FINANCING , SO, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS . WE HAVE OUR HANDS TIED BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY , UM, IN EQUITY LINE OF CREDIT ON IT, AND WE CAN'T GO USE ANY OF THE MONEY TO LEVERAGE WHATEVER PROJECT YOU MIGHT WANT TO, SO THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD ASK, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU WOULD ASK FOR DIRECTION FROM THE CITY CONTROLLER AS TO HOW THAT'S STRUCTURED, OTHER OPTIONS, MAYBE WE CAN WORK OUT SOMETHING ON THAT.
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>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: COMMISSIONER ROSS?
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I'M OPPOSED TO THAT. THIS IS OPENING UP SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY DONE. I MEAN, WE ARE USING THAT MONEY TO PAY FOR A FIREHOUSE AND TO PAY FOR ALACHUA STREET. PEOPLE ALREADY AGREED ON THIS AND VOTED ON THIS, IT'S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
YOU'VE ALREADY AGREED TO THIS AS A BOARD, SO WHY ARE WE REOPENING ANOTHER CAN OF WORMS AND GOING BACK AND REDOING WHAT OUR FINANCING IS FOR OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT AND FOR ALACHUA
STREET? >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: I DON'T THINK WE ARE REOPENING ANYTHING.
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: WHY ARE WE SPENDING ANY TIME ON THIS, IT'S ALREADY DONE. WHY ARE WE SPENDING STAFF TIME ON SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY DONE? I'M ASKING THE QUESTION.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: GOOD QUESTION.
>> JACK: I THOUGHT I EXPLAINED IT. BECAUSE THE WAY YOU STRUCTURED FINANCING, YOU MAY NEED TO BE RESTRUCTURED, SO THE CRA, WHICH IS WHAT YOU MANAGE, HAS MORE FLEXIBILITY TO TAKE ACTION TO DO THINGS. YOU KIND OF HAMSTRUNG YOURSELF BY THE WAY IT HAS BEEN FINANCED. I'M JUST BRINGING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION. I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TODAY, I'M JUST ASKING TO DO SOME ANALYSIS ON THE WAY IT'S STRUCTURED AND OTHER ALTERNATIVES, THAT'S ALL.
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: SO, YOU SUGGESTED THAT IT HASN'T BEEN
ANALYZED. >> JACK: YES. TO MY KNOWLEDGE,
YES. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: VICE MAYOR
KREGER MARK. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT B& GO BACK TO BOTHTHREE ANDACCOMPLISHED GOAL THREE , AND THAT WILL GIVE YOU AN IDEA WHERE YOU LOOK AT THE FINANCE . I THINK IT'S CRITICAL.
>> JACK: RIGHT, WELL, ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT ONE OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS HAS BEEN INSISTING THEY LOOK AT IS LOOK AT THE FINANCING VEHICLES, BECAUSE THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF
WHAT CRA DOES. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: ONCE YOU KNOW, ONCE YOU IDENTIFY WHAT THE PROJECTS ARE AND PUT SOME COST ESTIMATES ON IT, THEN YOU CAN ESTABLISH PRIORITIES BASED ON WHAT FINANCING IS OR MAY BE AVAILABLE.
>> JACK: TRUE, AGREED. SO, JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A QUICK HIGHLIGHT OF THE TIMELINE, WE JUST GOT A PRESENTATION FROM THE UTILITY DIRECTOR, THIS IDEA OF HOW THE UTILITY IS STRUCTURED, BECAUSE THAT IS A BIG THING IN THE CRA PLAN. IN MAY, WE ARE LOOKING AT PRESENTATIONS FROM THE SAFE DEP, THE CITY ENGINEERS, THE CITY PLANNER, JUST TO GIVE US A MORE COMPREHENSIVE B AND THEN WE'VE GOT, AS WE MENTIONED, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS COMING IN IN JUNE, AND THEN JULY BEGINS THE CREATION OF THE PRIORITIZED EFFORTS. MAKE SENSE CUSTOMERS.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: IT DOES. >> JACK: OKAY. SO, MOVING FORWARD, JUST WANTED TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK, DO YOU SUPPORT THE GULF AND DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER ACTIONS THAT YOU WOULD REQUEST THAT THE CRA ADVISORY BOARD WOULD TAKE ON THAT WE
HAVE IT COVERED? >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: OKAY, COMMISSIONERS? VICE MAYOR KREGER MARK.
>> VICE MAYOR KREGER: I WOULD JUST SAY, LET'S SEE THE ACTION PLANS. WE ARE DOING MANY MANY OF THOSE THINGS ALREADY AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE DONE ALREADY, BUT YOU NEED TO SEE A PLAN FIRST, YOU KNOW? YOU KNOW, THERE IS B A DISPUTE WITH PROPERTY OWNERS, WHAT YOU ARE HEARING. WE NEED TO GET THAT STRAIGHT. I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A PLAN IF WE ARE
NOT ON THE SAME PAGE. >> JACK: I AGREE, I AGREE.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: COMMISSIONER BEAN?
>> COMMISSIONER BEAN: THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THIS PLAN IS STEP THREE, WHICH WE ARE COMING UP WITH THE ACTION PLAN. WITH THAT, I THINK WERE YOU GUYS BECOME REALLY USEFUL IS WORKING TOGETHER WITH PROPERTY OWNERS, AND THAT'S COMING UP IN JUNE. HOPEFULLY GETTINGEVERYBODY TOGETHER PEOPLE THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT PART, I THINK, AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST ASPECTS THAT THE CRA NEED TO DO. COMING TOGETHER . > MAYOR
LEDNOVICH: COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> OH, THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT. ULTIMATELY, I FOLLOW IN THE SAME FOOTSTEPS, AND I DO THINK INFRASTRUCTURE IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS FOR THOSE WATERFRONT PROPERTIES TO EXCEL, BUT WE DO HAVE A LOT OF PLANS AND PLANNING ALREADY IN PLACE US GOING ON IN INFRASTRUCTURE ON THE WATERFRONT. CURRENTLY WITH THE UTILITIES, WASTEWATER, AND SOME OF THE WATER SERVICES THAT AREN'T CURRENTLY OUT THERE. AND I DO KNOW THOSE ARE IN THE PLANS, IT'S JUST WHAT DATE? SO, WHEN YOU HAVE MEETINGS WITH CITY STAFF, IS A HIGH LIKELIHOOD THAT YOU WILL FIND OUT THAT A LOT OF THOSE THINGS ARE ALREADY IN MOTION. UM, WE
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DO WANT TO SEE AS MUCH BUSINESS ON THAT NORTH AND, IN MY OPINION, AS WE CAN GET. PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT BELONGS. UM, BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY A GOOD BALANCE BEHIND IT, RESIDENTS, SO WE'RE DON'T REALLY WANT TO SEE ANY RESIDENTIAL. IT'S EITHER LIKE BUSINESS AND WHAT'S APPROPRIATE . HOWEVER THE CASE MAY BE, I DON'T WANT TO SEE US B& WE CAN FIGURE OUT THE FINANCING AFTER WE FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PLAN IS AND WHAT OWNERS ARE WILLING TO DO. UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S FOR EIGHT OWNERS OR WHATEVER THE CASES, WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE OF COURSE ACTION, I THINK, AS A COMMISSION. ALL OF THEM REPRESENTED OR AS MANY AS POSSIBLE, AND GET SOME ACTION PLAN. AND I THINK THAT IS A MAJOR FOCUS. UM, BECAUSE ONCE WE HAVE AN ACTION PLAN AND THEY'RE WILLING TO STEP UP, WHETHER WITH ITS PRIVATE EQUITY OR WHETHER IT'S TOGETHER, I THINK WE CAN MAKE SOME STRIDES IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: A COUPLE THINGS CAME UP THAT I WONDER IF, UM, THE CITY COMMISSION ONCE THE CRA INVITES. THE FIRST WAS LAND-USE. AND IF YOU GO AND LOOK, BRING OUT YOUR HANDY-DANDY LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, YOU CAN FIND ALL THE USES THAT ARE AVAILABLE ONTHE WATERFRONT . AND THE TWO OF YOU ARE NOT ON THEIR ARE RESIDENTIAL, UM, HOTEL ACCOMMODATIONS.
ACCOMMODATIONS. I WOULD NOT BE IN FAVOR, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THE REST OF THE COMMISSION IS WHERE THE CRA BOARD IS, IN SPENDING TIME AND EFFORT LOOKING INTO PUTTING RESIDENTIAL OR ACCOMMODATIONS ON THE WATERFRONT. I THINK B& WOULD NEVERB I DON'T THINK THE ADVISORY BOARD SHOULD BE SPENDING TIME AND EFFORT ON THAT. I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE. OKAY, COMMISSIONER ROSS IS ASKING OU THOUGHTS. VICE MAYOR KREGER MARK .> VICE MAYOR KREGER: RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK THERE'S REALLY MUCH SPACE TO DO MUCH ON THE WATERFRONT AS IT IS. I KNOW THERE'S SOME THINGS IN THE WORKS. BUT CONTRARY TO WHAT CHIPB I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH YOU GUYS SPENDING TIME ON ANYTHING YOU THINK YOU NEED TO SPEND IT ON. UNDERSTANDING THE BACKGROUND OF THE SITUATION, THERE'S NO ROOM TO BUILD ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE CITY LOT AND MAYBE ONE MORE. SO, I MEAN YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THAT, BUT I DON'T HAVEB& THE ADVISORY BOARD, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT YOU FEEL IS APPROPRIATE AND BRING IT FORWARD AND THIS COMMISSION WILL MAKE WHATEVER DECISIONS NECESSARY. AND YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A NEW COMMISSION ANYWAYS, SO IT'S GOING TO GET INTERESTING, SO TO SPEAK.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR, ANOTHER THING COMES TO MIND. ONE OR TWO PROPERTIES THAT MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR SPEEDS. AS YOU GETDOWN A LITTLE FARTHER , CLOSER TO THE EDGE AND ON THE RIGHT, THERE ARE POSSIBILITIES FOR, UM, OPTIONS, AS WELL AS EVEN POSSIBLY MEET AND MARINA SPOTS OR SOMETHING THAT COULD GENERATE REVENUE FOR THOSE OWNERS AS WELL. OR HOLD SPACES. EVEN THOUGH WE ARE IN THE CONSTANT ACTIVE DREDGING, NOT TO GO BACKWARDS AND TALK ABOUT THE MARINA, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MUCH SIMPLER WAYS THAT CAN BE REMEDIED, HOWEVER, UM, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE ARE DIFFERENT OPTIONS YOU CAN USE, BUT NO, I DON'T THINK HOTEL OR RESIDENTIAL IS REALLY ONE OF THEM. IT'S MOSTLY BUSINESS OR BUSINESS ORIENTED THAT I THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD TOLERATE AND WANT TO SEE DOWN THERE. UM, FOR THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS. AND PREVIOUSLY, MOST OF THEM WERE SHRIMP DOGS WITH SHRIMP BOATS TIED UP TO THEM, AND THAT WAS THEIR MAIN LIVELIHOOD. MOST ALL THOSE DOCS DOWN THERE ON THAT NORTH END. BUT ANYWAYS, I THINK THAT'S A CONCERN, AND IF WE COULD SEE SOME OF THEM TURNED INTO MARINAS OR SLIGHT MARINA SLIPS OR SOMETHING ELSE TO THAT EFFECT, I THINK THAT'S STILL AN OPTION AS ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE. TO BENEFIT OWNERS OF THE CITY TO HAVE MORE SLIPS OUT THERE FOR RENTAL. WHETHER IT'S A PRIVATE PERSON THAT RECEIVES THE RENTAL OR A HOMEOWNER, I MEAN, A BUSINESS OWNER, OR WHETHER IT'S THE CITY.
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REGARDLESS, IT GETS MORE SPACES AND MOREOPPORTUNITY.>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: VICE MAYOR KREGER MARK .
>> VICE MAYOR KREGER: ONE WORD TOWN. DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO
AND IT WILL COME BACK. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: COMMISSIONER ROSS, I'M TRYING TO GET A RESPONSE TO YOUR
QUESTION. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: THAT'S
FINE. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION, COMMISSIONER BEAN? OKAY, I AGREE ON THE RESIDENTIAL, NO RESIDENTIAL, NO HOTELS.
>> CAN I WEIGH IN ON THAT JUST FOR A SECOND? WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS ON OUR BOARD AS FAR AS WHAT WE RECOMMEND THE PROPERTY OWNERS DO WITH HER PROPERTY. AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO COME TO US AND TELL US WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO. BUT I'M CURIOUS, I'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT RESIDENTIAL, IS THERE A REASON FOR THAT? WHAT IS THE
CITY'S REASON FOR SAYING THAT? >> I HAVE NO OPINION ONE WAY OR
THE OTHER, I'M JUST CURIOUS. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: I CAN GIVE MY REASON, IT'S DENSITY. THIS CITY IS DENSE ENOUGH, WITHOUT PUTTING RESIDENTIAL ON THE WATERFRONT. PLUS, WE VALUE THAT WATERFRONT VIEW. UM, AND RESIDENTIAL , YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE WE ARE SELLING OUT. TO SPECIAL INTERESTS ON RESIDENTIAL, SO, NO, I AM NOT FOR B& I'M FOR BUSINESS, BUT NO
RESIDENTIAL. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: SO, CONSTRAINT IN THE ROOM THAT IS LIKELY TO COME UP, THAT'S THE HEIGHT ON THE SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS. THERE'S A 45 FOOT HEIGHT RESTRICTION. ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE TRACKS, IT'S 30 FEET ABOVE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION. AND SO, WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS, YOU HAVE 28 FEET OF BUILDING HEIGHT . AND YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THE CRA GUIDELINES FOR ROOFLINES, SO THAT BASICALLY MEANS NO DECKS ABOVE BUILDINGS, NEW FLAT ROOF BUILDINGS, SO ON AND SO FORTH. SO, UM, I THINK IT WAS TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO, BROUGHT UP THE HEIGHT RESTRICTION THINK THAT IT WAS BEFORE COMMISSIONER BEAN AND COMMISSIONER STURGES, AND I THINK BY 4:1, I JUST PROPOSED INCREASING IT TO 35 FEET, SO MY QUESTION TO THE COMMISSION IS DUE WANT TO REVISIT THE OR IS THAT SOMETHING BROUGHT, UM, IF I WAS A PROPERTY OWNER, THIS IS THE NUMBER ONE THING I WOULD BE ASKING FOR. AN INCREASE IN HEIGHT. UM, SO, THEY WILL LOOK AT ANYTHING, BUT IS NOT DEAD ON ARRIVAL IT GETS THERE? I MEAN, SO THERE'S NO POINT IN SPENDING TIME AND EFFORT ON SOMETHING THAT'S DEAD ON ARRIVAL, BECAUSE IT'S AS FRUSTRATING TO THEM B& SO, I AT THIS POINTAM OPPOSED TO INCREASING THE HEIGHT . AND I WAS WONDERING WHAT MY FELLOW
COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO SAY. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: REFRESH MY MEMORY, HOW DID YOU VOTE ON THE 33 CONSTRUCT.
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: WE DIDN'T, I BROUGHT IT UP AT A WORKSHOP. EVERYBODY ELSE SAID NO. AND IT DIED. > MAYOR LEDNOVICH: VICE MAYOR KREGER MARK.
>> VICE MAYOR KREGER: I WOULD BE OPPOSED TO INCREASING THE
COMMISSIONER STURGES? >> COMMISSIONER STURGES: I KNOW I AM NEW ON THIS BOARD BY A YEAR AND A FEW MONTHS, BUT I WILL LISTEN TO, I WILL LISTEN TO ANYTHING BEFORE WE, WE GET RID OF IT, IF IT'S FIVE FEET, I'M NOT OPPOSED. I WOULD GO TO 40 OR 45 FEET, BUT I WILL LISTEN TO SOMEBODY IF THEY HAD A GOOD PLAN AND THEY WERE A BUSINESS OWNER AND THEY WERE GOING TO PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE FOR FIVE FEET ONE DIRECTION OR THE OTHER. I COULD SEE IT IN THE WHEELHOUSE.
SO, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT, BUT OBVIOUSLY, I DON'T WANT TO GO
ANY HIGHER. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: MAY I
CONTINUE? >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: YOU HAVE
THE FLOOR, SIR. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: THE LAST ONE IS THE CORRIDOR'S. WHICH IS A BIG PART OF THE CRA PLAN.
AND, UM, IS THERE ANY APPETITE FROM THE CITY COMMISSIONERS FOR CHANGING THOSE, OR IS NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU BELIEVE SHOULD PRETTY MUCH STAYED AWAY IT IS?
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: COMMISSIONERS, YOU HAVE AN OPINION ON THE VEHICLE CORRIDOR? SUCH AS ALACHUA?
VICE MAYOR KREGER MARK. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: I THINK WE NEED TO MAINTAIN THEM, BUT I THINK AGAIN, WE SHOULD LISTEN TO WHAT COMES IN. I'M NOT SAYING ANYMORE. YOU KNOW WHAT
I'M SAYING. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH:
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COMMISSIONER STURGES? >> COMMISSIONERSTURGES: I LOVE THAT COMMISSIONER ROSS LOVES TO BRING ALL THE CARDS BEFORE THE HORSE, BUT I THINK WE DO NEED TO WAIT UNTIL WE SEE SOMETHING THAT COMES FROM , FROM THE BUSINESS OWNERS. AND SEE WHERE WE GO BEFORE WE TALK ABOUT CORRIDOR'S AND, UM, OTHER STUFF
LIKE THAT. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: WELL, I BELIEVE BOTHCORRIDOR'S, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, ALACHUA , THAT'S OWNED BY THE CITY. AND THE SEAFOOD IS BY THE CITY. SO, THE TWO CORRIDORSB.
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: NO, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: THOSE ARE THE PRIMARY ONES. WHICH OTHER
ONES ARE THERE? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: THERE ALL
THE WAY UP. >> EVERY PROPERTY.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: NO, I UNDERSTAND. THAT'S MY
INTERPRETATION . >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: CANNOT RESPOND TO THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE? [LAUGHING] BECAUSE NOT JUST THIS COMMISSION, EVERY COMMISSION, THEY SAY YOU GO DO WHATEVER YOU WANT, SPEND ALL YOUR TIME AND EFFORT, GO FORWARD SPENDING ALL THIS TIME, AND THE PEOPLE ON THOSE COMMITTEES SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT. AND THE POINT IS WE DON'T GIVE THEM ANY DIRECTION AHEAD OF TIME. I MEAN, IF SOMETHING IS NOT GOING TO FLY WHEN IT GETS HERE, WHY SPEND TIME ON IT? I'M LOOKING OUT FOR YOUR TIME AND THE REST OF THE PEOPLE ON MY COMMITTEE. WHY SPEND THE TIME AND EFFORT IF YOU KNOW WHEN IT GETS HERE, WE ARE NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR GOING OVER 30 FEET. SO, WHY WOULD YOU TELL THEM TO GO LOOK AT THE , WHY WOULD YOU TELL THEM, OKAY, YOU CAN LOOK AT ANY LAND-USE YOU WANT, BUT WE ARE NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR HOTEL COMBINATIONS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR THAT. DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME, BECAUSE IT'S FRUSTRATING TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THESE COMMITTEES. BECAUSE I GO TO ALL THESE COMMITTEE MEETINGS, I'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR THREE YEARS.
THE ONLY TIE DON'T GO IS WHEN I HAVE ANOTHER COMMITMENT OR AN OUT OF THE COUNTRY. SO, I HEAR IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN. THEN THEY DON'T LISTEN TO US. I MEAN, THAT RESONATES WITH ME.
SO, WHAT I WAS TRYING TO DO, I'M TRYING TO PUT THE HORSEB I AM COMING UP WITH THE HORSE. SO, THAT'S WHY BRING THAT UP.
AND THAT'S A BIGGER PROBLEM THAN JUST THIS COMMITTEE, IT'S ALL COMMITTEES. I MEAN, WE ASK THEM FOR ADVICE, THE GULF COMMITTEE, I MEAN, THE PARKS AND REC COMMITTEE, I MEAN, THE PARKS AND REC COMMITTEE, WE SAY GO DO AN ACTIONPLAN. THEY DID A HUE JACKSON PLAN. DISAPPEARED. AND MANY OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED OVER THE YEARS , THE THREE YEARS B& IT'S FOUR NOW. I MEAN, THEY JUST GET SWALLOWED UP. THEY SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT ON THESE THINGS AND WE JUSTB& SO, I THINK AS A COMMISSION, NOT JUST THIS COMMISSION, GIVE THEM SOME DIRECTION, AND THEY CAME HERE ASKING FOR DIRECTION, AND SO, I WAS TRYING TO B& WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND YOUR TIME ON IT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET A WHOLE LOT OFTRACTION.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: YOU ARE REPEATING YOURSELF.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: IAM . >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I'M DONE.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: AND IF YOU'LLNOTICE, ITEM 2.2 , SO, THEY ARE HERE , WHICH IS THE POINT. COMMISSIONER ROSS JUST MADE. OKAY. > I APPRECIATE THE APPROACH THAT COMMISSIONER ROSS IS TAKEN, BECAUSE I THINK IT DOES MAKES SENSE TO SAY WHAT ARE YOU AS A PROPERTY OWNER AND AS A REGULATOR WILLING TO PUT ON THE TABLE. BECAUSE PROPERTY OWNERS SEEK TO COME IN THE DOOR. IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA FOR THE CITY TEAM TO GIVE YOU A LIST OF THINGS THAT YOU THUMBS-UP OR THUMBS DOWN ON, AND I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER KREGER SAYING EVERYTHING IS ON THE TABLE, BECAUSE WHO KNOWS WHAT KIND OF CREATIVE IDEA MIGHT SAY A HIGHER HEIGHT WITH A MORE OPEN VIEW COURSE, WHO KNOWS? BUT IF THERE IS A HARD AND FAST NO, I THINK IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW THAT THAT'S A 5:0 NO, OR IF THERE ARE GOOD THINGS THAT WERE ALL WILLING TO DO, WE ONLY TALKED ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE SEAWALL GOING ACROSS, WHICH IS A HUGE ENABLER FOR SO MUCH ABOUT, AND IF WE CAN CREATE SOME TYPE OF COORDINATION IN THAT, THAT COULD BE HUGE.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: VICE MAYOR KREGER LIGHT IS ON, SIR.
>> VICE MAYOR KREGER: OH, MANY OF THE ISSUES THAT CHIP IS TALKING ABOUT ACTUALLY ORDINANCES, AND YOU'RE GOING IN KNOWING THAT, SO YOU HAVE THE OPTION, YOU KNOW, AND YOU ALSO KNOW THE WAY WE OPERATE. ALTHOUGH THAT WILL CHANGE.
MAYBE SIGNIFICANTLY, MAYBE NOT, BUT IT WILL CHANGE. SO, I STILL THINK IT'S WORTHB IT'S UP TO YOU AS AN ADVISORY BOARD, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD HAVE THE OPTIONS TO DETERMINE WHAT YOU
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WANT TO DO AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSIONERS. GET A FEEL FOR SOME OF THOSE THINGS THE PRESENT COMMISSION PROBABLY WOULDN'T BUY, BUT YOU KNOW THAT GOING IN. SO, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM LOOKING AT ANYTHING. WE HAD ADVISORY BOARD PROBLEMSFOREVER. A LOT OF THEM, YES. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH:
COMMISSIONER STURGES? >> COMMISSIONER STURGES: THANK YOU, MAYOR. I THINK FIRST AND FOREMOST, JACK, IT'S GREATTHAT YOU HAVE A PLAN , THAT THERE IS SCHOOLS THAT YOU'RE CREATING WITH THE BOARD, AND I THINK THAT WE ALL LOOK FORWARD TOSOME SORT OF ACTION , UM, WE'VE HEARD IN THE PAST AND WE DON'T WANT THIS BOARD TO DIE. SO, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN GET B& I HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE CRAAB MEETINGS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ONE, BUT I'VE HEARD THERE'S NOT MANY PEOPLE COMING TO THE MEETINGS YET. SO, UM, WE ARE CONCERNED, AND WE WILL TALK A LOT ABOUT THAT, BUT WE WANT TO SEE ACTIONAND WE WANT
TO SEE THE CRAAB MEETINGS . >> I THINK I LIKE TO RESPOND TO THAT. BECAUSE ONE OF THETHINGS , ONCE THE MEMBER ORTABALS LEFT, I WAS ABLE TO SPEAK TO HIM ABOUT HOW THINGS WERE WORKING, AND HE SHARED A FRUSTRATION THAT I HAVE ABOUT THE SUNSHINE LAW AND THE WAY WE ARE EXECUTING ON IT. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THAT IS THE SUNSHINE LAW AND HOW MUCH OF ITIS OUR PROCESS FOR EXECUTING THE SUNSHINE LAW, BUT , UM, IT CREATES SOME HARDSHIPS WHEN WE CAN TALK TO EACH OTHER JUST ONE TIME DURING THE WEEK, AND SO, WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO AS THE CHAIR OF THE UM, ADVISORY BOARD, WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS FIND WAYS FOR US TO INTERACT IN BETWEEN. THE DIRECTION THAT I'M GETTING IS WE DON'T HAVE MEETINGS IN BETWEEN. WE DON'T HAVE STAFF MEETINGS IN BETWEEN. ONE EXAMPLE THAT DALE AND I ARE WORKING THROUGH AS WE HAVE A LETTER TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WAS DELIVERED AT THE MEETING AND I'M GOING TO WORK WITH SOMEBODY TO COMPARE THE LETTER SO THAT IT'S DONE BY THE MEETING AND NOT AT THE MEETING FOR THE BOARD TO DECIDE. SO, I ENDED UP REWRITING AND WE TALKED ABOUT MINE. SO, I THINK THERE'S WAYS THAT WE CAN BE MORE EFFICIENT WITH HOW WE MANAGE SOME OF THESE ADVISORY BOARDS. AND I'VE BEEN FROM THE OUTSIDE UNTILNOW , AND I'M ON THE INSIDE ON THE BOARD, AND I SEE THE FRUSTRATIONS THERE.
I'VE HAD MEETINGS WITH, UM, JACOB AND KATIE AND I THOUGHT THOSE WERE AWESOME. YOU KNOW, THEY WERE GIVING YOU SOME INSIGHTS, THEY WERE HELPING ME FIGURE OUT HOW TO NAVIGATE SOME THINGS, HELPING ME FIGURE OUT WHAT WE COULD GET ONTO THE AGENDA AND WHAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH, I THINK THAT IS HUGE. I'M NOT JUST SPEAKING FOR MY OWN ADVISORY BOARD, WE MAY WANT TO LOOK AFTER ALL OF THEM, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THERE IS A CHANCE FOR US TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE INCLUSIVE AND ENGAGING. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I BROUGHT UP IN OUR LAST MEETING WAS THE PUD. I THINK YOU GUYS MIGHT BE VOTING ON THAT TONIGHT. WE NEVER SAW IT AT THE CRA ADVISORY BOARD. I THINK WE WOULD HAVE LIKED TO.
IT'S IN THE CRA, IT SEEMS TO BE A VERY IMPORTANT ZONING TOOL, IT'S PART OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT WHOLE THING, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE FOR THE CRA ADVISORY BOARD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY AS A BOARD TO LOOK AT IT. OBVIOUSLY, WE CAN EACH INDIVIDUALLY LOOK AT IT, READ IT, WHATEVER.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: HIM GONE. WHEN WE MAKE COMMENTS, GENTLEMEN, UNDER OUR BREATH, WHEN WE SAY SOMETHING, I CAN HEAR IT AND THIS MICROPHONE CAN HEAR IT. SO, IF YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING, PUT YOUR LIGHT ON, GO MAKE A COMMENT TO YOUR FELLOW COMMISSIONER. I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT, PLEASE. NOT ONLY CAN I HEAR IT, PEOPLE WATCHING CAN HEAR IT? ALL RIGHT? SO, LET'S HAVE SOME DISCIPLINE, LET'S FOLLOW PROCEDURE. LET ME RECOGNIZE COMMISSIONER ROSS.
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: THERE'S ONE THING I KNOW LITTLE BIT ABOUT. IT'S THE SUNSHINE LAWS AND THE PUBLIC RECORDS LAWS.
AND WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS INDIRECT B& DIRECTLY OPPOSED TO WHAT THE STATE WATERS. AND THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN CORRECT ME.
>> JACK: I NEED TO STOP YOU BEFORE YOU GO ON. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT EXACTLY I PROPOSED THAT IS AGAINST THE LAW.
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: HAVING ANY KIND OF CONTACT ABOUT ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD. > JACK:
WITH THE CITY. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: NO, THE
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CITY'S FINE. >> WITH THE CITY.
>> COMMISSIONERROSS: IS NOTHING THAT'S KEEPING YOU OR ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBER FROM APPROACHING THE CITY . THE FACT IS MANY OF THE BOARD MEMBERS DO THAT AND THEY DO THAT ACROSS THE BOARD AND THEY WORK WITH THE CITY. WHAT IS NOT ALLOWABLE IS ANY PEOPLE ON THAT COMMITTEE TALKING TO EACH OTHER B&.
>> TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SUGGESTING.
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NOTHING STOPPING THEM FROM DOING THAT. ZERO. AND THE FACT IS MANY OF THEM
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: THANK YOU, SIR. CONTINUE.
>> JACK: THAT'S ABOUT ALL OF MY COMMENTS.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: ALL RIGHT, WELL IBELIEVE , COMMISSIONERS, AND THE OTHER DIRECTION YOU FEEL IS NECESSARY FOR THE CRAAB
COMMITTEE? COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: UM, IN A GENERIC WAY, THEY ARE GOING TO ENGAGE THE PROPERTY OWNERS, THEY'RE GOING TO SOMEHOW, WITH THE OBJECTIVES, THEY ARE GOING TO CREATE SOME PLAN BASED ON THAT. I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM
WITH THOSE THREE. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH:OKAY. VICE
MAYOR KREGER . >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: I ENCOURAGE YOU TO KEEP WORKING AND ON YOUR ACTION PLAN.
>> WE WILL HAVE THEM TO YOU NEXT WEEK.
>> VICE MAYOR KREGER: SO, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. UM, RECOGNIZE THAT THAT JUNE MEETING, THIS BOARD WILL MEET AGAIN IN JULY, CITY MANAGER.
WE ARE MEETING QUARTERLY. SO, IF YOU CAN COALESCE ALL THAT INFORMATION AND BE PREPARED FOR JULY, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.
>> JACK: THAT WOULD BE GREAT TO GIVE YOU SOME REACTION OF WHAT WE GOT OR SUMMARY OF WHAT WE GOT.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: AND ALSO, IF YOU WOULD THINK ABOUT WHO YOU NEED FROM THE CITY AT YOUR OWNERS MEETING. WHO NEEDS TO
BE IN ATTENDANCE? >> JACK: OKAY.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: OKAY, TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
>> JACK: OKAY. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: OKAY? AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD ASK YOU, AS CHAIR, WOULD YOU PLEASE HAVE HIM COME TO THE LECTERN EACH TIME?
>> JACK: YES. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: OKAY, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE WATCHING THE MEETING, AND SOMETIMES VERY DIFFICULT TO HEAR COMMISSIONER ROSS , UM, AND IT'S SOMETIMES HARD TO HEAR WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS ARE SAYING TO HIM. SO, ANY PERSON WHO SPEAKS TO YOUR BOARD, PLEASE HAVE THEM
COME TO THE LECTERN. >> I RECOGNIZE THAT AS THE CHAIR, I DID NOT MANAGE THAT MEETING WELL BECAUSE ACTIONS WERE HAPPENING THAT WERE PROBABLY NOT APPROPRIATE.
[3.3 APPROVAL OF FY2020-2021 CRA REPORT]
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: I UNDERSTAND.
>> JACK: IT'S MY GOD. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: NO, IT'S LEARNING IN PROCESS. THANKYOU. OKAY, ONTO 3.3, APPROVAL OF THE , UM, PHYSICAL YEAR 2020, 2021 CRA REPORT. ANY DISCUSSION?
CALL THE ROLE. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS. VICE MAYOR KREGER . COMMISSIONER BEAN. COMMISSIONER STURGES.
[4. STAFF REPORT]
MAYOR LEDNOVICH. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: YES, THAT PAST 5:0. ALL RIGHT, I AM FOUR, STAFF REPORT, PROJECT UPDATES. I'M ASSUMING THIS IS YOU, CITY MANAGER.
>> YES, SIR, JUST TO PROVIDE YOU A QUICK OVERVIEW OF WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE CRA, UM, CURRENTLY. AND I'VE BROKEN THIS DOWN INTO LITTLE SYNOPSIS OF PUBLIC PROJECTS, AS WELL AS PRIVATE PROJECTS AND ACTIVITY. SO, ON THE PUBLIC PROJECT SIDE, YOU ARE ALL AWARE THAT THE RIVERWALK, SEAWALL, AND COURTS ARE MOVING FORWARD. THE SEAWALL AND THE RIVERWALK ARE PRETTY MUCH DONE. A HANDRAIL IS BEING INSTALLED. UM, THE FENCE IS DOWN FOR, UM, SURE FESTIVAL, SO IT WILL BE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. THE COURTS ARE AT THE NEXT STAGE, BUT THE DECISION WAS MADE. FOR SURE FESTIVAL, BECAUSE STAKES TEND TO DISAPPEAR WHEN YOU'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE AROUND.
YOU'RE GOING TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE SURE FESTIVAL TO STAKEOUT THE COURTS, THEN THE COURTS WILL BE CONSTRUCTED.
NOT OFTEN RECOGNIZE, BUT THE DREDGING YOU MENTIONED BEFORE, THE DREDGING IS ONGOING. TECHNICALLY, THE DREDGING IS OCCURRING WITHIN THE CRA, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT THAT I'D LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER IS THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT THE STUDY. OFTENTIMES ABUSE BY COMMISSIONER ROSS, IS WOULD YOU BEACCEPTABLE FOR THE CITY TO GO OUT AND SOLICIT BIDS OR PROPOSALS , TO DO A FLOW STUDY,
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MAKING USE OF THE CRA, USING CRA MONEY TO PAY FOR THAT, AND AN EFFORT TO DETERMINE WHAT ALTERNATIVES ARE THERE TO KEEP ON DREDGING. AN ESTIMATE IS APPROXIMATELY $70,000. SPIN OKAY, I HAVE TWO LIGHTS ON. COMMISSIONER ROSS?>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I WOULD HOPE TO APPROVE THAT.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: YOU CAN MAKE YOUR SPEECH NOW.
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS: WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT, AND IT'S ONE OF THE GULF AND THE CRA PLAN TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DECREASE DREDGING. THE CITY ENGINEER, WHO IS A COASTAL ENGINEER AND HE SAID THE ONLY WAY TO FIGURE THIS OUT IS TO GET A FLOW STUDY. AND I FORGOT NOT ONLY FROM HIM. SO, I THINK THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE USE OF MONEY , AND I WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD FUND THE AND GET THAT DONE, SO WE CAN FIGURE OUT IF WE CAN STOP FUNDING DREDGING, WHICH IS NOW GOING TO INCREASE OVER TIME. THAT'S THE END OF MY SPEECH.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER STURGES?
>> COMMISSIONER STURGES: THANK YOU, MAYOR. BRIEFLY, I THOUGHT WE DISCUSSED THIS THING MULTIPLE TIMES, AND I KNOW IN OTHER AREAS, I HAD SOMEBODY WHO'S VERY INTELLIGENT WHEN IT COMES TO MARINAS AND HAS DONE WITH MARINAS FOR OVER 50 YEARS, A FRIEND OF MY OFFICE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, EXPLAINED TO ME HOW $30,000-$100,000 SYSTEM DOWN THERE OF BUTLER'S THAT WOULD NEVER HAVE LET THE SILT LAND IF WE HADN'T STUDY AND DO QUITE WHERE TO PUT THEM, WOULD STOP DREDGING INDEFINITELY. THERE'S NO REASON WHY THAT SYSTEM COULDN'T BE MAJOR SHIPYARDS,
MAJOR DOCK AREAS. >> YOU NEVER REALLY AFFECT THE NATURAL BED. ANYWAY, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF, FOR THE LONG DISCUSSION I HAVE, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THE SYSTEM THAT WOULD REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF DREDGING THAT WE DO, THAT'S IT.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: VICE MAYOR KREGER?
>> VICE MAYORKREGER: I WILL SUPPORT A FLOW STUDY , WHERE'S THE MONEY COMING FROM, YOU SAID?
>> I'M GOING TO POINT OUT THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG TIME, OUR CITY ENGINEERHAD SOME IDEAS, AND HE SAID IF HE NEEDS A FLOW STUDY, THE MONEY WE SPEND ON DREDGING , HE TAKES MONEY FROM EVERYTHING ELSE THE CITY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE DOING,
SO I WOULD SUPPORT. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH:
COMMISSIONER BEAN? >> COMMISSIONER BEAN: MY QUESTION MIGHT BE MORE FOR THE CITY ENGINEER IF HE IS AVAILABLE TO TALK TODAY. MY QUESTION IS, SO IT'S $70,000 FOR THE FLOW STUDY, BUT I WANT TO KNOW, WHAT ARE THE ODDS THAT WILLCOMPLETELY SOLVE THE PROBLEM? BECAUSE THERE'S A CHANCE HERE THAT WE SPEND THE $70,000 . AND IF WE SPEND THAT MONEY, AND THAT CASE, JUST KIND OF USED 70,000 TO LEARN SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T NEED TO KNOW. SO, IT IS TRUE THAT THIS WILL SOLVE THE PROBLEM, IF WE ARE SAYING WE CAN INVEST 70,000 NOW, AND THAT WE DON'THAVE TO SPEND THAT 400,000 IN A YEAR, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT DEAL, BUT WHAT ARE THE ODDS THAT THIS WILL COME BACK WITH THAT RESULT , AND WHAT ARE THE ODDS THAT WE LEARN THAT WE NEED TO KEEP DREDGING? I GUESS THAT'S MY
>> IT'S KIND OF LIKE OPENING PANDORA'S BOX, YOU DON'T KNOW UNTIL YOU OPEN IT. THE FLOW STUDY WILL SHOW OPPORTUNITIES FOR DIFFERENT OPTIONS. LIKE COMMISSIONER STURGES SAYS, THERE'S A PUBLIC SYSTEM, THERE'S SEDIMENTATION, SUSPENSION, THERE'S ALL KIND OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS OUT THERE THAT HAVE ALL BEEN IN PRACTICE. SO, I DO THINK, EVEN THOUGH THIS IS SOMEWHAT OF A UNIQUE SITE WHERE THE FLOWS COME FROM, WE CAN'T DECIDE ANYTHING IF WE DON'T DO THE STUDY. IT'S THE CURRENT STUDY, AND THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE ANY KIND OF INTELLIGENT DECISION.
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>> UNDERSTOOD. >> I THINK THE CHANCES ARE 80
PERCENT. >> MAPPING THE PLACES OF FLOW.
>> CURRENT FLOW METERS OUT EVERYWHERE. AND IN THE SEDIMENTATION IN TERMS OF THE VOLUME AND WHAT AREA THE WATER SEDIMENT IS TRAVELING IN. A JET SYSTEM OR SOMETHING LIKE
>> I JUST WANT TO PIGGYBACK ON COMMISSIONER BEAN. SO, YOU KNOW, KIAWAH ISLAND, UM, WERE THE CURRENTS AND TIDES CHANGE, YOU CAN DO A FLOW STUDY
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