[1. CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:12] >> CALLED TO ORDER TO NOVEMBER 16, 2021 CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP. WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLE? >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH?>> THANK YOU. A COUPLE HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS AS ALWAYS, IF YOU CAN PLEASE SILENCE YOUR CELL PHONES, TURN THEM OFF, IN THE PLANE MODE. GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. WE ARE STILL UNDER CDC COVID-19 GUIDELINES, SO, UM, PLEASE TAKE WHATEVER STEPS NECESSARY FOR YOUR HEALTH AND SAFETY. AND FINALLY, ON THE COURTROOM, WE WILL CONDUCT OURSELVES PROFESSIONALLY AND WITH [3.1 WATERFRONT SURVEY - This item is placed on the agenda for the purpose of developing waterfront survey questions.] RESPECT. SO, ITEM 3.1, WATERFRONT SURVEY. UM, THIS IS PLACED ON THE AGENDA BY ALL OF US, UM, WE ALL RECEIVED THE DRAFT SURVEY. UM, I POSTED IT ONLINE FOR FEEDBACK, UM, 80 PERCENT OF WHAT I RECEIVED BACK WAS PEOPLE'S COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT THEY WANTED. NOT ABOUT THE SURVEY. HOWEVER, I DID COMPILE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR WHAT WAS MISSING, UM, AND I HAVE THOSE IN PRINTOUTS BEFORE YOU. SO, WITH THAT, UM, I WILL OPEN A DISCUSSION FOR WHAT WERE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE DRAFT SURVEY? AND WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON UPDATING AND IMPROVING THE SURVEY CUSTOMERS CITY MANAGER, DO YOU WANT TO PREFACE THAT WITH ANYTHING?> I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THAT WAS REALLY NOT A DRAFT, THAT WAS KIND OF THE WORKING INTRODUCTION IT WAS NOT INTENDED TO BE A COMPLETE SURVEY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IT WAS KIND OF LIKE WHERE DO WE START OUR DISCUSSION? AND SOME OF IT WAS LOST IN TRANSLATION DUE TO MY ABSENCE. BUT THAT WAS THE INITIAL EFFORT, SO THAT WAS NOT INTENDED TO BE A FINAL PRODUCT, IT WAS A WORK IN PROGRESS TYPE PRODUCT, SO JUST TO CLARIFY, I'M NOT SURE WHAT WAS BEING SAID ABOUT IT, BUT B& JUST TO CLARIFY THAT THAT WAS NOT INTENDED TO BE THE SURVEY. IT WAS TO BRING TO YOU, TO SAY, WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? AND I'M GLAD THATWE ARE HERE . >> THANK YOU, SIR, AND I BELIEVE ALL OF US UNDERSTAND THAT IT WAS A STARTING POINT TO ACTUALLY FURTHER THE CONVERSATION. SO, COMMISSIONERS? I'M NOT SEEING ANY LIGHTS. VICE MAYOR? >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: WELL, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO WHAT I SAID FIVE TIMES IN THIS COMMISSION. WHEN WE REMOVE THE IMMINENT DOMAIN, WE NEVER WENT BACK AND LOOKED, DID WE WANT TO CHANGE ANYTHING? WHICH I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE DONE. SO, IN REALITY, WHAT WE HAVE IS THIS, THEN WE ARE MOVING THIS WAY. SO, WHAT'S DRIVING THIS, WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO, WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO? C AND D AT THIS POINT. ALTHOUGH I THINK IT MIGHT BE BROADER, WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO WITH THE WHOLE PARK? BECAUSE I'M BEGINNING TO FEEL THAT WE MAY HAVE NOT THOUGHT OUT QUITE AS WELL AS WE SHOULD HAVE WHEN WE SEPARATED THE RESILIENCY PLANNING, WHICH I WILL GET TO LATER. FROM THE PARK. AND THAT WE MIGHT HAVE WANTED TO DO THAT ALTOGETHER, WEDID THAT BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH RESILIENCY. SO, IN MY POINT, WHAT CAME OUT MONDAY MORNING, WHAT YOU'VE COMPILED, MIKE , I THINK A COMBINATION OF THOSE, UM, THOSE QUESTIONS ASKING WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT THERE, I THINK, I THOUGHT SOMEWHERE A BIT LUDICROUS IN TERMS OF POND LIK , PONDS LIKE B THE ISLAND STUFF, YOU KNOW? THOSE ARE GIANT PONDS, THEY ARE TOTALLY UNREALISTIC. AND I WONDERED HOW SOME OTHER THINGS GOT ON THERE. SO YOU KNOW, I KNOW THEY HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING A FLOATING BAR, THINGS LIKE THAT, RESTAURANTS, BUT THERE HAVE ALSO BEEN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT MARITIME EDUCATION CENTERS, WHICH SOMEHOW DIDN'T GET ON. SO, I THINK, I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO SIT DOWN AND DO A SERIOUS 2 TO 4 HOUR EFFORT AND DETERMINE WHAT WE WANT TO DO. I DON'T HAVE AN AGENDA WITH WHAT'S HERE, PERSONALLY. YOU KNOWB&. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. COMMISSIONER BEAN? >> COMMISSIONER BEAN: THANK YOU. CAN I ASK THE CITY MANAGER, DO [00:05:01] WE HAVE A COPY OF OUR FORMER CONCEPT HE PLANNED? I WANT TO SAY NOT FORMER, BUT CURRENT, LET'S STILL CALL IT OUR CURRENT PLAN, THE ONE THAT WE MOST RECENTLY HAVE RECEIVED, AND THE ONE THAT I STILL AM OPERATING UNDER THE ASSUMPTION WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS. AS A CONCEPT AND B PULLING UP RIGHT NOW. WHAT I WANT AND THE POINT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IS THAT IT'S GOOD, IT'S GOOD THAT YOU MENTIONED WE WOULD HAVE 2 TO 4 HOUR SESSION DETERMINING WHAT WE AND THE PUBLIC WANT, BUT IF I REMEMBER IN FEBRUARY, IT WAS ME AND COMMISSIONER STURGES WERE ALREADY ON THE COMMISSION. WE HAD A DEDICATED WORKSHOP SOLELY TO THE WATERFRONT PARK. SPEAKING ABOUT SURVEYS, WE ALREADY HAD A SURVEY SOLELY DEDICATED TO THIS WATERFRONT , UM, REDEVELOPMENT RIGHT HERE. AND THIS IS WHAT CAME FROM IT. THIS IS THAT SURVEY, THIS IS THAT PLAN. AND YES, WE WENT AWAY FROM EMINENT DOMAIN AND I BELIEVE STILL THAT IS A GOOD THING, I DO NOT BELIEVE IN USING THE POWERS FOR THIS, BUT IF YOU LOOK, ABOUT LESS THAN 15 PERCENT OF THIS ENTIRE THING IS RELATED TO EMINENT DOMAIN. IN MY MIND, THIS IS STILL A GREAT PLAN AND THIS IS STILL A PLAN THAT WE SHOULD WORK TOWARDS AND WORK FOR. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS PARTICULAR PLAN, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO ANYMORE, UM, ANYMORE TALK, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE ACTION. I WOULD LIKE TO APPROVE THIS PLAN, AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS IF I'M ASKING THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, FOR WHAT I AM FEELING AND WHAT I AM SEEING UP HERE IS THAT THIS WOULD BE A FINE PLAN, AS LONG AS WE HAVE COMMISSION SUPPORT FOR IT COULD AND YES, TO THE VICE MAYOR'S POINT, WHAT WE HAVE APPROVED SO FAR IS SIMPLY THE SEAWALL ITSELF, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD APPROVE THIS PLAN AS A CONCEPT. I THINK THIS PLAN IS A GREAT PLAN AND IT HAS MANY OF THE THINGS AND MOST OF THE THINGS THAT ARE PUBLIC IS LOOKING FOR IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY WANT AT THE WATERFRONT COULD AT THE END OF THE DAY, OUR PUBLIC ONCE A GREAT PLACE TO GO TO WATCH THE SUNSET, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE COMMISSION, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU GUYS ARE READY TO LOOK FOR AND READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, BECAUSE I SURE AM. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: WE'VE GOT 20 TO 30 YEARS OF SURVEYS, CONCEPT PLANS, WE HAD AN EXTENSIVE SURVEY THAT CAME UP WITH THIS IDEA, UM, AND SO, I DO NOT THINK WE NEED ANOTHER SURVEY. THE ESSENTIAL QUESTION THAT NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED B& LET ME BACK UP. THE RIVER IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE, WHERE THE RIVER IS. THAT'S NOT CHANGING. WHAT'S ALSO NOT CHANGING IS WHERE THE RAILROAD TRACK IS. THOSE ARE TWO FIXED BOUNDARIES. SO, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH SPACE BETWEEN THOSE TWO BOUNDARIES. AND THE NEXT THING THAT'S GOING TO TAKE UP THE MOST AMOUNT OF SPACE IS PARKING. AND THE ROAD. AND UNTIL THIS COMMISSION COMMITS, AND I WOULD BE WILLING TO COMMIT, AND HAS BEEN IN THE CRA PLAN IN THE PAST, ARE YOU WILLING TO ACCEPT LESS THAN THE CURRENT PARKING? IF YOU ARE NOT, THEN WHAT DO YOU WANT FOR PARKING IN THE ROAD? AND UNTIL YOU DECIDE WHAT THAT IS, YOU CANNOT DECIDE WHAT ELSE YOU WANT BECAUSE IT'S CALLED THE ENVELOPE OF DEVELOPMENT. AND WHAT CONSTRICTS IT IS THE PARKING AND THE ROAD. SO I THINK DOCKING THE CURRENT CONCEPT PLAN WITH THE CAVEAT THAT WE ARE WILLING TO ACCEPT A LITTLE LESS PARKING ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE TRACKS, UM, IS A GOOD IDEA. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER BEAN? >> COMMISSIONER BEAN: THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AND I 90 PERCENT AGREE WITH WHAT COMMISSIONER ROSS JUST SAID. I 90 PERCENT AGREE.SO, WHAT WE'VE GOT HERE ISB AND I AGREE THAT, THAT MAYBE B& THIS IS A GREAT PLAN, IT'S ONE THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD, AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY IN OUR FEBRUARY MEETING, THIS PLAN IS BUILT TO BE AS PARKING NEUTRAL AS POSSIBLE. IN FACT, IF YOU LOOK ALL THE WAY TO THE LEFT, THIS INCLUDES PARKING FOR BOATS, INCLUDES OUT AS WELL. THIS PLAN IS AS PARKING NEUTRAL AS POSSIBLE TO BUILD A GREAT WATERFRONT, AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO COMMUNICATE TO THE PUBLIC, IS THAT THE PLAN WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO, AND I WOULD APPROVE THIS WITH THE SECONDARY GOAL. LET'S MAKE IT NICE, AND LET'S KEEP IT AS PARKING NEUTRAL AS POSSIBLE, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO COMMUNICATE TO THE PEOPLE. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: COMMISSIONER STURGES? >> COMMISSIONER STURGES: THANK YOU, MAYOR, I AGREE WITH BRADLEY, AND MOSTLY WHAT CHIP SAYS. MY FIRST QUESTION WAS, AND BRADLEY ALREADY TOUCHED ON IT, THE BOAT TRAILER PARK, THAT'S THE MOST CONCERNING THING FOR LOT OF PEOPLE. AND I SEE ALL THE GREEN AREA THAT'S WHERE PARKING IS NOW, AND SO AS IT SHIFTS, AS LONG AS [00:10:03] THERE'S A LARGE AMOUNT OF BOAT PARKING AT THE END AND CLOSE TO THE SAME AMOUNT OF REGULAR PARKING, I AGREE WITH THIS CONCEPT BECAUSE WE HAVE ALREADY CASHED IT AND WE HAVE ALREADY HASHED IT OVER IT MULTIPLE TIMES. UM, THIS IS A CONCEPT THAT WE ALL AGREED TO AND WE ALL THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT CONCEPT, IN PART. UM, AS LONG AS WE CAN GET THE MAJORITY OF THE PARKING. NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE EXACTLY THE SAME AMOUNT OF PARKING, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE LESS PARKING. THERE'S NO WAY THAT YOU CAN TAKE UP THAT MUCH REAL ESTATE AND HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF PARKING. THAT'S JUST NOT POSSIBLE. BUT IT'S HOW MUCH PARKING ARE WE REALLY LOSING? THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE A GOOD ACCURATE MEASURE. IF WE KNEW HOW MUCH PARKING WE WERE REALLY LOSING POINT 10 SPACES, 20 SPACES? FIVE SPACES? WHAT'S THE ANSWER? AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THAT'S PWHAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC IS MOS CONCERNED WITH, WITH THIS REDEVELOPMENT, IS LOSING PARKING. BECAUSE I HEAR FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE ABOUT PARKING. PARKING, PARKING, PARKING. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: DALE? >> MR. MAYOR. [LAUGHING] I WILL BE THE ONE TO TAKE ONE FOR THE TEAM HERE. BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO GO ON RECORD AND SAY THERE'S NOT A PARKING PROBLEM IN DOWNTOWN. ACCORDING TO A PHYSICAL INVENTORY THAT ACTUALLY DOES NOT INCLUDE THE PARKING AREAS WEST OF THE RAILROAD TRACKS, THIS PHYSICAL INVENTORY WAS DONE IN DECEMBER 2019. YOU SEE AT THE BOTTOM, THERE'S APPROXIMATELY 1200 PARKING SPACES SCATTERED THROUGHOUT DOWNTOWN. WE HOST DOZENS OF EVENTS ALL YEAR LONG THE IRONICALLY, CLOSE MOST OF OUR PARKING. WHETHER IT'S A CAR SHOW ON CENTER STREET, WHETHER IT IS SOUNDS ON CENTER, WHETHER IT IS DICKENS ON CENTER, SHRIMP FESTIVAL, WE LOSE ALL THAT PARKING. AND WE BRING HUNDREDS, IF NOT THOUSANDS, IF NOT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN TOWN AND THE EVENTS ARE SUCCESSFUL. BUT AS I QUOTED COMMISSIONER BEING TODAY, WHICH IS PROBABLY OUR HEADLINE OF THE PAPER, BUT WHEN UNCLE JOE OR AUNT MARTHA CAN'T FIND A PARKING SPACE AT 2:00 ON WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON, SOMEWHERE THERE IS A PARKING PROBLEM. THERE IS NOT A PARKING PROBLEM. WE HAVE OVER 1200 PARKING SPOTS IN THE IMMEDIATE FACILITY OF DOWNTOWN. THE CRA PLAN OF 2005 AND THE MASTER PLAN OF 2015 BOTH INDICATED THAT PARKING SHOULD BE ELIMINATED ON THE WATERFRONT. I AGREE, IT SHOULD ALL BE ELIMINATED. BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE WANT PEOPLE TO PARK. BUT TO HAVE PARKING DRIVE US, AND YES, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A COMMITMENT, AND I THINK WE ALL AGREE WITH THAT, THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A COMMITMENT TO MAKE SOME SEMBLANCE OF ACCEPTABLE TRAILER PARK. ONCE WE HAVE A BOAT RAMP, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME LEVEL OF BOAT TRAILER PARK. NEEDS TO BE ACCOMMODATING AND IT NEEDS TO BE ACCESSIBLE. BUT WILL THERE BE LOSS OF PARKING? MR. GEORGE HAS BEEN WORKING OUT SOME PLANS TO DEAL WITH RECONFIGURATION OF CENTER STREET AND WE NEED A LOADING ZONE, A LOADING ZONE TO SUPPORT THE MARINA FUEL TANKS, THE SALTY PELICAN, AND THE MARINA RESTAURANT. YOU PUT IN THAT LOADING DOCK, GUESS WHAT, YOU LOSE 6 TO 8 PARKING SPOTS. IS THAT ACCEPTABLE?I THINK WE ALL WANT TO KEEP AS MUCH PARKING AS POSSIBLE. BUT WE ALSO WANT THESE AMENITIES THAT ARE EXPLAINED OR ILLUSTRATED IN CONCEPT HE. BUT THERE IS NOT A PARKING PROBLEM DOWNTOWN. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: CAN YOU PUT THE PREVIOUS SLIDE UP FOR ME, PLEASE? THE PLAN. YET. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS, COMMISSIONERS? VICE MAYOR. YOU WANT MY POINTER? HERE. >> RIGHT THERE. >> YOU ARE TAKING THIS OUT, THIS IS ALL GREEN SPACE. YOU DON'T THINK THAT'S AFFECTING THE CONCEPT OF THE PARK? YOU DON'T THINK THAT'S AFFECTING WHAT PEOPLE PROVE? WHAT EVERYBODY SAID? PERCENTAGE. I'M JUST ASKING A QUESTION. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: COMMISSIONER BEAN? >> COMMISSIONER BEAN: THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO, WHAT I AGREE WITH IS THAT, YES, THAT SECTION WITH THE L-SHAPED WON'T BE IN IT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T USE AN IMMINENT NAME, BUT I WOULD SAY OVER 85 PERCENT OF THIS STAYS EXACTLY THE SAME. >> I JUSTB& THE QUESTION IS, THAT'S MY QUESTION ALL ALONG. [00:15:04] SO, YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT OUT AND ARE GOING TO DO WHATEVER YOU'RE GOING TO DO THERE. IS THATB ARE WE BASING ALL OF THESE DECISIONS ON WHAT PEOPLE SAID, BASED ON THAT INFORMATION? NUMBER NO, THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS UP. BUT I AM JUST BRINGING THAT UP, SOB&. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: OKAY, I SEE LIGHTS ON. >> ON OR OFF? >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: IT'S OFF. THANK YOU. YOU LOOK LIKE YOU ARE READY. SOB& COMMISSIONER STURGES? >> COMMISSIONER STURGES: THANK YOU.UM, I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING TO WALK OVER THERE AND TALK ABOUT THE KING TIED AND ALL THE WATER THAT WE TOOK IN ON THE NORTH END OF THE AREA LAST WEEK. SO, I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT, BASICALLY THAT THAT PART OF THE PLAN DOESN'T EXIST. >> CORRECT. THE SEAWALL. >> COMMISSIONER STURGES: RIGHT, IF WE WORKED FROM THE SOUTH AND GO TOWARDS THE NORTH, THAT'S AT THE END OF THE PLAN, EVEN THOUGH THE STREET WILL BEB& WIL BE PART OF THAT AND THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN SOONER THAN LATER THIS NEXT YEAR. SO, UM, IT'S HOW ARE WE GOING TO TIE THAT IN AND, YES, WE MIGHT NOT HAVE A PARKING WITH WHOLE ENTIRE DOWNTOWN AN ISSUE, BUT WE WILL HAVE LESS PARKING OUT THERE ANDB IF THAT'S WHAT WE ARE WILLING TO SACRIFICE, A LITTLE LESS PARKING, THEN B& THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH TO CHANGE, I DON'T THINK WE CAN MASSIVELY CHANGE THE PLAN THAT WE PARTY, WITH. TO ME, IT LOOKS LIKE A GOOD PLAN, AND HOPEFULLY, WE CAN EXTEND THE MARINA TO THE NORTH AT SOME POINT OR USE THAT AREA AT SOME POINT. SO, THE MOST IMPORTANT PART IS A RESILIENCY SEAWALL THAT WE ARE STILL WORKING ON COMING UP WITH THE MONEY TO DO IT. SO, THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO VERBALIZE. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: THANK YOU, SIR. VICE MAYOR? >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT YOU BROUGHT IT UP. THIS IS THE LOWEST ELEVATION, FIVE FEET ELEVATION. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES THEY BROUGHT UP THOSE MAPS THAT SHOW YOU THAT PETER WASN'T GOING TO BRING IT UP BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO BRING IT UP LATER WHEN WE HAVE THE LEGISLATIVEB WE ARE ASKING FOR MILLION DOLLARS. WE'VE GOT OUR AMERICAN RESCUE MONEY, WE NEED A PLAN TO PROCEED WITH THAT RESILIENCY WALL OR WE ARE GOING TO SACRIFICE PROBABLY ABILITY TO GET OTHER GRANTS. >> BRING IT UP LATER. ANY OTHER COMMENTS?>> I WILL HOLD AND RESERVE. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: OKAY. [LAUGHING] SO, GENTLEMEN, I'M CONFUSED. AND THE REASON I'M CONFUSED IS BECAUSE SEVERAL WORKSHOPS AGO, WE AGREED TO DO A SURVEY. AND NOW, IF I TAKE AN ESTIMATE, WE HAVE THREE COMMISSIONERS WHO SAY WE DON'T NEED A SURVEY. WE HAVE THE VICE MAYOR WHO WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND THE SURVEY. AND THE MAYOR, WHO WOULD LIKE TO IMPROVE THE SURVEY.SO, UM, WE HAVE DONE AN ABOUT-FACE HERE, AND THAT'S WHERE MY CONFUSION ARISES. BUT LET ME JUST REMIND YOU OF A FEW THINGS. SO, NUMBER ONE IS THIS BUILDING RIGHT HERE. THAT WAS, UM, DESCRIBED AS A GENERAL EVENTS STRUCTURE. UM, AND PRIOR TO COMMISSIONER BEAN AND COMMISSIONER STURGES, YOU BEING ON THE COMMISSION, UM, THIS PLAN WAS SHOWN TO ALL OF OUR VARIOUS COMMITTEES WITH ITS INPUT, AND THIS BUILDING HAD THE MOST COMMENTS. UM, PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW HOW LARGE IT WAS GOING TO BE, THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER IT WAS GOING TO OBSTRUCT THE VIEW, THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS GOING TO BE USED FOR. NOW, THAT CONCERN WAS MULTIPLIED WHEN WE GOT TO ATLANTIC SEAFOOD AND WE BEGAN TALKING ABOUT 27,000 SQUARE FEET AVAILABLE HERE FOR LEASE. NOW WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MULTIPLE BUSINESSES. OKAY, THE POSSIBILITY OF THAT. AND WE ALL RECOGNIZED, UM, THE OPPOSITION TO THAT.SO, PART OF THE SURVEY WAS, WAS TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION, DO YOU WANT ANY COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES ON THIS RIVERFRONT?YES OR NO? IF YES, HOW MANY AND HOW BIG? SO, THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS OF THE SURVEY. [00:20:03] NUMBER TWO IS THIS STRUCTURE. UM, ALTHOUGH IT WAS THE MOST POPULAR, UM, OF THE ITEMS, THE ELEMENTS IN THIS PART, THERE IS NO DESCRIPTION OF IT. UM, AND ALSO, THE SURVEY BY MARQUISE AND LATIMER, WHAT WAS IT, 460 RESPONSES, MANAGER? SOMETHING IN THAT FRAME? >> 178. >> 178 RESPONSES, AND I WOULD ALSO SAY TO YOU, IT WAS NOT RESTRICTED TO CITY RESIDENTS. SO, ANYBODY COULD RESPOND. IS THAT CORRECT? >> ESPN. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: ANYBODY COULD RESPOND. SO, YOU'RE ABOUT TO MAKE A PRETTY IMPORTANT DECISION BASED ON A SURVEY OF 178 PEOPLE. I WOULD SAY IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE PLAN, AND I SEE, I'M GOING TO HAVE RESPONSES TO WHAT I'M SAYING, WHICH IS FINE. THAT'S WHY WE ARE HERE. SO, THESE TWO ISSUES, UM, COMMERCIAL PERFORMANCE VENUE, HOW LARGE? UM, AND THEN TO COMMISSIONER ROSS'S POINT, WE HAVE NOT SETTLED THIS PARKING ISSUE. ND THE FEEDBACK I'VE GOTTEN BACK SO FAR, AND THE CITY MANAGER IS CORRECT, WE HAVE A BOAT RAMP, WE HAVE A MARINA TRYING TO MAKE MONEY SELLING GAS. IF THE CARS CAN'T GET TO THE GAS STATION, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE SELLING MORE GAS. SO, THE FUNCTION, THE REASON WE HAVE A BOAT RAMP IS FOR PEOPLE TO LAUNCH THEIR VOTES. IT'S THERE FOR A REASON. OKAY? UM, SO, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE SURVEY IS THE WILL OF THE COMMISSION, THE MAJORITY, IS TO HAVE THIS, THIS PLAN COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION. AND SOMEONE NEEDS TO PLACE IT ON AN AGENDA FOR A VOTE. UM, I'M SORRY, I WAS SPEAKING AND I DIDN'T SEE WHOSE LIGHT CAME ON FIRST. HOWEVER, I WILL GO ALPHABETICALLY, AND THAT WOULD MEAN COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: [LAUGHING] YOU WANT TO GO FIRST? YOU CAN GO FIRST. YOU DONE? >> NO, YOU WANT ME TO GO. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: I'M DONE FOR THE MOMENT. I RESERVE MY RIGHT.>> FIRST OF ALL, >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: YOU WANT TO USE MINE? >> I'M ANNOYED IT DOESN'T WORK, BUT SURE, I WILL USE YOURS. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: PRESS THE LITTLE BUTTON. >> FIRST OF ALL, YOU ARE CONFUSED, WELL, UM, WHEN YOU GET NEW INFORMATION OR THINK ABOUT THINGS, SOMETIMES YOU CANB I CALL IT EDUCATION AND CHANGING YOUR VIEW AND GETTING NEW FACTS. SO, ONE OF THE FACTS IS THIS BUILDING, WHICH IS SHOWN IN HERE, WILL NOT BE HERE. WE HAVE AGREED TO THAT, AND THAT IT NEEDS TO BE MOVED. AND THEY HAVE AN OPTION TO PUT 1200 SQUARE FEET SOMEWHERE. JUST BECAUSE YOU ADOPT THIS PLAN, WHETHER THEY EXERCISE THAT ARE NOT B SO, THIS BUILDING WILL NOT BE HERE, IT WILL BE MOVED. IF YOU ADOPT THIS PLAN, IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO PUT IN ANOTHER BUILDING, THERE'S AN OPTION TO DO THAT. UM, SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, SO I WAS TALKING ABOUT ATLANTIC SEAFOOD, WHICH WE DID NOT ADDRESS IN THIS PLAN. NUMBER THREE IS THE BANDSHELL. WELL, THE BANDSHELL, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT, YOU CAN'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO HERE UNTIL YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO HERE, BECAUSE THE KIND OF OPPORTUNITY THAT YOU CAN CREATE WITH A AND I'M NOT GOING TO CALL IT A BANDSHELL, CALL IT MUSIC PLACE WHERE YOU CAN PLAY MUSIC AND SO ON, THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT COULD GO THERE, BUT IT ALL DEPENDS ON, AGAIN, MUCH PARKING B& AND I'M WILLING TO SACRIFICE SOME PARKING. THE ISSUE ABOUT GASOLINE, THE PEOPLE THAT USE THESE BOAT TRAILERS THEY PUT IN HERE, THEY DON'T BUY ANY GASOLINE. THEY FUEL UP THEIR TANKS BEFORE THEY GET HERE, BECAUSE IT'S A LOT CHEAPER. AND THAT'S NOT WHERE YOUR CELLS ARE COMING FROM. YOUR CELLS ARE COMING FROM BIG BOATS THAT COME IN HERE, THEY ARE THE ONES WHO TAKE 2000, 3000 GALLONS OF FUEL. THEY DON'T COME HERE BY CAR. THEY COME HERE WITH THE BIG [00:25:02] BOAT. AND SO, ANOTHER ARGUMENT ABOUT THE BOAT RAMP IS THAT, UM, IT WAS DEPENDENT, WE HAD TO KEEP IT BECAUSE OF RAMPS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST. I WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT THOSE GRANTS AND ALL THOSE GRANTS SAY IS IF YOU PUT THIS BOAT RAMP IN AND YOU DECIDE TO TAKE IT OUT, AND I AM NOT ADVOCATING TAKING IT OUT, UM, THAT YOU, UM, HAVE TO KEEP THIS AREA IN SOME KIND OF RECREATIONAL USE. AND SO, YOU CAN HAVE A PARK THERE OR ANYTHING ELSE, AND IT TAKES CARE OF THE PROBLEM. REMEMBER, WHEN YOU HAVE THIS BOAT RAMP, AND RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE 10 SPACES OVER HERE FOR BOATS, THAT'S 20 CAR SPACES. UM, SO, THAT'S THE TRADE-OFF BUT WE WANT TO MAKE THAT TRADE-OFF, THAT'S FINE, BUT IT IS A TRADE-OFF. SO, WE HAVE HAD SURVEYS, PEOPLE HAD ALL THE TIME IN THE WORLD TO TALK ABOUT THAT SURVEY, YOU HAD MEETINGS, YOU HAD ALL THESE THINGS, I THINK IT'S TIME TO MOVE FORWARD. AND EMBRACE THIS AS A CONCEPT PLAN, UM, AND MOVING FORWARD. YOU ARE CORRECT WITH NOT PUTTING IN THE SPARK, THIS IS ACTUALLY THE AREA RIGHT NEXT TO IT. THIS IS WHERE IT STARTS. AND THEN RIGHT IN HERE, ALL FLOODS. AND YOU ARE CORRECT THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT AND HOW WE ARE GOING TO BRIDGE THIS GAP IN HERE, UM, OVER HERE, GOING UP, WHICH WE ALL TALKED ABOUT, THIS GAP IS GOING TO BE PROBLEMATIC. IT'S ALSO GOING TO BE PROBLEMATIC HERE BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE 27 FEET OF ROOM IN HERE, AND YOU CAN'T PUT A ROAD AND A SIDEWALK AND A SEAWALL, SO THAT'S A PROBLEM. SO THAT IS GOING TO NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. BUT IB MR. BEAN AND I AGREED ON SOMETHING, THAT WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD , AND THAT'S WHERE I WOULD. LET ME GET THAT BACK. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER STURGIS? >> COMMISSIONER STURGES: THANK YOU, MAYOR. SO, YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT WHEN YOU BRING UP THAT 178 PEOPLE RESPONDED TO THIS. UM, THE COUNTY JUST ROLLED OUT THERE TRAILS, WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH AN ART CONCEPT OR WHAT WE ARE DOING, BUT THEY JUST ROLLED OUT THEIR DEVELOPMENT AND THEY HAD 400 AND SOME CHANGE RESPOND OUT OF 90,000 RESIDENTS, SO, I THINK I HEARD 78 OUT OF OUR 14,000 15,000, THAT'S A BETTER PERCENTAGE THAN 400/90,000. BUT REGARDLESS OF THOSE FIGURES, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK MIGHT, IF YOU WANTED TO RESUBMIT A SURVEY OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND WHAT IF WE GOT BACK HOWEVER MANY PEOPLE, ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE A MONTHS TIME TO DO THIS? AND WITH THESE RESPONSES, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING TO ACCOMPLISH EXACTLY?IS IT JUST A BANDSTAND, JUST A COMMERCIAL PLACE OR NO COMMERCIAL PLACE, IS THAT IT? THOSE TWO OPTIONS? I SAW THE OTHER THING, BUT I MEAN, I WOULD WANT, I MEAN, I KNOW WE BEAT THIS THING OVER THE HEAD, THEY HAVE BEEN BEATING OVER THIS FOR 30, 40 YEARS, THIS HAS BEEN A PROBLEM ABOUT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH DOWNTOWN, TO REDEVELOP IT, MAKE IT LOOK NICE? SO, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE FOREVER, BUT IF THERE WAS A WAY TO FIND AN ANSWER AND GET A GREAT RESPONS , AND I KNOW WE DID, YOU KNOW, GET THE SURVEY, THE ABILITY TO DO SURVEYS, I WILL PUT A TIME LIMIT ON IT AND GO WITH IT. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: CITY MANAGER? >> NO MATTER HOW YOU GO FORWARD WITH CONCEPT E AS A BASELINE, THE ONLY THING THAT CAN EVEN COME CLOSE TO HAPPENING IN THE NEXT YEAR, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, ARE RESOLVING THE ATLANTIC SEAFOOD BUILDING AND DETERMINING TO WHAT IS THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE PERFORMANCE VENUE? THOSE ARE THE ONLY THINGS, REALISTICALLY, THAT CAN HAPPEN, BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED ABOUT ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT. THE ONLY THING LIKELY TO HAPPEN IS WE HAVE A GRANT TO DEMO THE EXISTING. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, WE HAVEN'T HAD DISCUSSION. WE HAVE SO MUCH WORK TO DO WITH THE REAL PROCESS, SO, I THINK AS COMMISSIONER ROSS INDICATED, JUST BECAUSE IT SHOWS TWO COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, LET'S RESOLVE THE ATLANTIC SEAFOOD BUILDING, SEE WHAT THE RESPONSE IS TO THE IF WE NEED TO DO AS MANY PEOPLE SUGGESTED, DO AN RFP FOR A SECOND BUILDING, ALL RIGHT. WE DON'T HAVE TO ACCEPT IT, WE DON'T EVEN NEED TO DO AN RFP. BUT THE ONLY THING THAT THERE COULD BE POSSIBLY MOVEMENT ON [00:30:01] WOULD BE RESOLVE THE ATLANTIC SEAFOOD ISSUE AND DETERMINE THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE PERFORMANCE VENUE. AND STAFF CAN BRING BACK A VARIETY OF OPTIONS, WHETHER YOU WANT A BABY BEAR, MAMA BEAR, AND THE PAPA BEAR OPTION, EVERYTHING IN THERE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY YOU GUYS. IT'S NOT THAT WE ARE GOING TO SUDDENLY LET A CONTRACT BUILD A MUSIC AMPHITHEATER.SO, IT IS A LONG, SLOW PROCESS. THIS CONCEPT HAS BEEN IN FRONT OF YOU NOW FOR TWO YEARS. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: VICE MAYOR? >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: V, WHEN WE MAKE THE CASE THAT THIS WAS MADE TO THE PUBLIC AND WE HAD 128 PEOPLE, WHICH WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY ARE CITY RESIDENTS, AND WE ARE GOOD WITH THAT, WE HAVE 400 PEOPLE IN 2017, CITIZENS RESPONDING. WE HAD 600 IN 2010. THOSE ARE BETTER NUMBERS. 120 PEOPLE WERE NOT GUARANTEED. I'M JUST SAYING, I WOULDN'T DO THAT.>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER BEAN? >> COMMISSIONER BEAN: THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I WANT TO REITERATE THAT THIS PLAN IS WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO BE AS PARKING NEUTRAL AS POSSIBLE, WE ARE KEEPING BOTH, THERE IS TRAILER PARKING IN THIS PLAN. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT B THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO KNOW THE PLAN CURRENTLY IS AS PARKING NEUTRAL AS POSSIBLE. IT CURRENTLY HAS BOAT TRAILER PARKING AND IT CURRENTLY LOOKS VERY NICE, SO THAT IS THE CURRENT PLAN. I WANT TO ALSO JUST REITERATE, THIS IS A POINT I MADE IN FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR WE HAD OUR INITIAL, UM, WORKSHOP ABOUT THIS, AND IT IS THAT THE OBSERVER IS BASED OFF A REAL NEWSPAPER THAT IS HISTORICAL TO OUR COMMUNITY, IT WAS HERE OVER 100 YEARS AGO, AND SO, IF YOU GO TO THE MUSEUM, YOU CAN LOOK AT OLD OBSERVERS, AND THE ONE THAT I SAW WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THE ONE FROM THE YEAR 1900, THE HEADLINE WAS FERNANDINA BEACH CITY COMMISSION DISCUSSES WHAT TO DO WITH THE WATERFRONT, AND THAT WAS THE HEADLINE. SO, WE HAVE BEEN, THE COMMISSION HAS BEEN AT THIS FOR OVER 100 YEARS, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS. IN MY LIFETIME, SINCE I HAVE BEEN GROWING UP HERE, IN THE PAST 30 YEARS, I HAVE SEEN PLAN AFTER PLAN TO TRY AND FAIL. IN MY LIFETIME, I HAVE SEEN SIX DIFFERENTPLANS COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION , AND THEN NOTHING HAPPENED WITH THEM. IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, THIS PLAN ALONE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR TWO YEARS. AND SINCE I CAME INTO OFFICE ONE YEAR AGO, AND IT'S BEEN A YEAR NOW, I FAILED TO DO THE 24 MEETINGS, BUTB. [LAUGHING] I LET THAT ONE SLIDE, BUT SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, WE HAVE ALREADY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HASH THIS PLAN OUT, WE SPENT AN HOUR LONG MEETING WORKING ON THIS. SINCE I HAVE BEEN ON COMMISSION, WE HAVE HAD AN ADDITIONAL SURVEY, AND TO THE VICE MAYOR'S POINT, IN THE PAST, THERE'S BEEN MANY OTHER SURVEYS THAT ALL CONGLOMERATE INTO THIS PLAN. AND I WANT TO DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO YOUR MOUSEPAD, IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER ONE GOAL ON THERE FOR WATERFRONT IN BLUE, WHICH WE WERE GOING TO KNOCK OUT ON 2/16/21, THAT WAS TO APPROVE THIS PLAN, IT'S SOMETHING WE FAILED TO DO AT THE TIME. SO, IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME COMING TO APPROVE THIS PLAN, AND I DON'T WANT TO BEB& IN MY LIFETIME, I HAVE SEEN SIX PLANS AGO AND FELL, I DON'T WANT TO BE THE SEVENTH. SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD, THIS IS A PLAN THAT IS POPULAR WITH THE PUBLIC, THIS IS A PLAN, THE FACEBOOK CROWD SAYS A LOT OF THINGS, BUTB THIS IS WHAT FERNANDINA WANTS, AND THEY WANT SOMETHING NICE FOR THE ONE PLACE WHERE THE PEOPLE CAN GO, ENJOY OUR WATERFRONT, BECAUSE IT IS THE PEOPLE'S WATERFRONT AND IT SHOULD BE FOR ALL THE PEOPLE, AND THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO BE. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: SO, THIS IS A CONCEPT PLAN. AND WHAT WE CAN ADOPT, AND I WOULD BE WILLING TO ADOPT, IS A CONCEPT. AND LET'SB WE ARE BUILDING OUR WALKWAY RIGHT NOW AND SEEING WHAT THAT DOES. AND WE ARE AT THE MOMENT REENGINEERING ASH AND CENTER STREET, WHICH ARE GOING TO GET BUILT. AND ONCE YOU HAVE THOSE THINGS BUILT AND YOU COME UP WITH A PLAN FOR THE STREET, AND THE DESIGN FOR THE REST OF THE SEAWALL, ANDYOU FIGURE OUT THE PARKING , THEN WE CAN TWEAK THE REST OF IT. WHAT I THINK THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE ENVELOPE OF DEVELOPMENT IS WHAT WE NEED TO CONCENTRATE ON AND MOVE FORWARD, SO WE DO NOT HAVE ONE MORE PLAN. AND I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU, IT IS TIME TO MOVE ON. WHAT IS ANOTHER SURVEY GOING TO ACCOMPLISH? LET'S SAY 100 PEOPLE SAY THEY WANT B& OR 200 PEOPLE SAY THEY WANT A SPLASH PAD FOR KIDS. UM, OKAY. OR WHATEVER ELSE THEY WANT. I MEAN, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO PUT IT. UNTIL YOU FIGURE OUT WHAT THE [00:35:01] ENVELOPE OF DEVELOPMENT IS, IT'S IMMATERIAL. AND SO, I WOULD EMBRACE THIS AS A CONCEPT PLAN, WHICH CAN BE CHANGED, IT'S NOT SET IN STONE. THERE'S A REASON THERE'S A LOT OF CHANGE, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MR.STURGES , WHEN PEOPLE START SEEING THINGS BUILT, ALL THE SUDDEN, THEY GO, OH, THAT'S NOT RIGHT, WE NEED TO CHANGE THIS, AM I CORRECT ON THAT? >> COMMISSIONER STURGES: HAPPENS A LOT. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS, WHAT WE ARE BUILDING NOW, WHICH SHOULD BE DONE BY FEBRUARY OR MARCH, AND WE ALSO AT THAT POINT WILL HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF WHERE CENTER AND ASH STREET ARE GOING TO LOOK LIKE, AND DURING THAT TIME, COME UP WITH A CONCEPT FOR AS NEUTRAL PARKING AS POSSIBLE, UM, AND THEN PROCEED FROM THERE.AND THEN FIGURE OUT, HOW ARE YOU GOING TOB& AND WITH THE DESIGN, AT LEAST A CONCEPT DESIGN FOR THE SEAWALL. UM, SO WE CAN STOP THEFLOODING , BECAUSE THE FLOODING, GOING TO THE VICE MAYOR'S POINT, THE FLOODING IS HERE AND GETTING WORSE. SO WE NEED TO ADOPT THAT, WHAT CAN WE DO, WHERE IS THAT WALL GOING TO GO? AND THEN PROCEED FROM THERE. YOU CAN ALWAYS CHANGE CONCEPT PLAN, IT'S A CONCEPT PLAN, IT IS NOT AN ENGINEERINGPLAN , AND I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: SO, A COUPLE REBUTTAL POINTS TO COMMISSIONER ROSS FOOD ONE, THIS BUILDING WAS NEVER LABELED OPTIONAL. NEVER SAID THAT. AS YOU STATED. UNDER A CONCEPT PLAN GOING FORWARD, YEAH, WE COULD SAY THIS IS OPTIONAL. BUT THE ORIGINAL SURVEY DID NOT SAY OPTIONAL. THAT'S POINT NUMBER ONE. POINT NUMBER TWO, WHAT DATA DO YOU HAVE ON WHETHER BOATERS USING THIS TRAILER, BOAT TRAILER LOT BY GASOLINE OR NOT? ITE EITHER DATA PLEASE. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW? I HAVE TALKED TO MANY OF THEM. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: HOW MANY? >> ARE NOT GOING TO COMMIT TO A NUMBER, BUT I SPENT A LOT OF TIME DOWN THERE AND WHY WOULD YOU IN YOUR RIGHT MIND TAKE A LITTLE PUTT PUTT AROUND TO FILL UP THE TANKS? IT'S ANOTHER DOLLAR, A DOLLAR AND $0.50 A GALLON. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, AND THE POINT B& THIS, THIS IS THE PEOPLE'S PROPERTY. AND YOU ARE TELLING ME YOU ARE HAPPY WITH 148, WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, RESPONSES TO WHAT HAPPENS HERE. AND YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO TRY TO GET THEIR INPUT ON WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE HERE? AND I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT TAKING SIX MONTHS TO ANSWER, COMMISSIONER STURGIS, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE DATA COMPILED BY THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2022. WE WOULD HAVE THE DATA IN HAND. NOW, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. IF THIS COMMISSION WANTS TO PUT A RESOLUTION ON A FUTURE AGENDA TO APPROVE THIS, THEN DO IT. MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS SHOULD DO THAT. IN THE INTERIM, UNTIL THAT HAPPENS, I WOULD SAY WE JUST SUSPEND THE SURVEY AND THE CONVERSATION THAT I'M HEARING. IN THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE FOR ONE OF YOU TO PLACE THIS MATTER ON THE AGENDA FOR A VOTE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> JUST TO CLARIFY, AND NEEDS TO BE TO COMMISSIONERS. YOU OR I ON OUR OWN CAN ADD STUFF TO THE AGENDA, BUT OTHERWISE, TO COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: ALL RIGHT, THEN I REQUEST TO ADD THIS TO A FUTURE CITY COMMISSION AGENDA FOR A FULL COUNT. OKAY? >> I AGREE. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: OKAY? WE GOOD? OKAY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER STURGIS? >> COMMISSIONER STURGES: YES, I HEAR EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, BUT BASED ON WHAT THEY ARE TELLING THE TIMELINE, AND IF IT'S ONLY TWO OR THREE ITEMS THAT WE REALLY WANT QUESTIONS ANSWERED, WHY WOULDN'T WE SUBMIT A SURVEY THAT WE PURCHASED THIS EQUIPMENT REGARDLESS, AND STILL APPROVE CONCEPT HE, BUT GET THE SURVEY FOR ANSWERS OF THE TWO OR THREE ITEMS, AT LEAST MAKE AN ATTEMPT TO GET THOSE, MORE DATA. UM, IN THE MEANTIME, I MEAN, WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED THE PROCESS. I MEAN, THEY ARE OUT THERE DOING CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW, SOTHERE'S NOTHING, AS THE CITY MANAGER HAS SAID , THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN OUT THERE FOR A WHILE, UNTIL WE GET ATLANTIC SEAFOOD AND WHATEVER HAPPENS TO ATLANTIC SEAFOOD. THEN WE CAN PROCEED FURTHER. SO, WHY NOT ASK THE TWO OR [00:40:05] THREE QUESTIONS? NOT ANYTHING ELSE, BUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THOSE TWO OR THREE ITEMS? THAT'S MY THOUGHTS.> I THINK THAT WAS PART OF THE INTENT OF THE SURVEY, WAS BECAUSE WHEN YOU SAY THE WORD BANDSHELL, OF THE FIVE OF YOU UP THERE, THERE'S SEVEN DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS, SEVEN DIFFERENT VISIONS. SO, THAT WAS PART OF THE INTENT, HOW DO WE DETERMINE, NOT NECESSARILY THE DESIGN, BECAUSE YES, I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE ARE GETTING ALL WRAPPED UP IN THE DESIGN, I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON FIRST IS TALKING ABOUT, LET'S CALL IT A PERFORMANCE VENUE, THE FUNCTIONALITY. AND ONCE WE DETERMINE THE FUNCTIONALITY, WHETHER IT IS GOING TO BE A BABY BEAR, A MAMA BEAR, OR PAPA BEAR -SIZED STRUCTURE, THEN WE CANB& THE DESIGN IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY YOU, THE CITY COMMISSIONERS, THE HTC, THEY'RE GOING TO BE A LOT OF FINGERS AND THAT PIE. BUT UNTIL WE COME UP WITH THE FUNCTIONALITY, I THINK THAT WAS PART OF WHAT GOT LOST IN THAT DRAFT, WHEN ALL THE SUDDEN YOU ARE SHOWING THESE PRETTY UGLY CONCRETE STRUCTURES, WHICH I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WANTS TO SEE ON OUR WATERFRONT, BUT THAT'S CERTAINLY WHAT EVERYBODY FOCUSES ON, INSTEADOF , YOU KNOW, AND I THINK EVEN THE DRAFT SURVEY THAT WE SHARED BY THE MAYOR TALKED ABOUT SEATING FOR 2000 PEOPLE. NOWHERE WAS THAT EVER DISCUSSED, SO AGAIN, THERE'S THINGS IN THERE THAT, THAT ARE NOT PART OF CONCEPT D. BUT YEAH, GIVE US A CHANCE TO COME BACK, AS I SAID, AND OFFER SOME OPTIONS THAT THERE WILL BE SOMETHING MORE SPECIFIC FOR PEOPLE TO RESPOND TO, AND IF THEY REJECT THEM ALL, GREAT, THEY REJECT THEM ALL, BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THE PUBLICB& INSTEAD OF SAYING DO YOU LIKE THIS OR WHAT DO YOU LIKE? WE GET ANSWERS ALL OVER THE PLACE AND NO DIRECTION WHATSOEVER. >> I THINK THAT'S REALLY WHAT ALL OF US WANT, WE ALL WANT TO PROCEED WITH THIS FAST, IT'S JUST OBVIOUSLY, AT THIS POINT, I DON'T WANT TO COME BACK IN SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR AND BE IN THE SAME SPOT WE ARE NOW. THAT'S IT. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: COMMISSIONER ROSS, YOU HAVE SOMETHING NEW? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: NO, I JUST WONDER WHERE WE GO FROM HERE. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: WHERE WE GO FROM HERE IS THAT THE CONCEPT IS GOING TO BE PLACED ON THE AGENDA FOR A VOTE. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: OKAY. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: I HAVE REQUESTED THAT AS THE CITY MANAGER. SO, WHICH MEETING WOULD THAT BE, CITY MANAGER? >> I BELIEVE BECAUSE THERE IS AN EXTRA FRIDAY OR AN EXTRA TUESDAY IN NOVEMBER, IT COULD BE ON THE DECEMBER 7 AGENDA. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: OKAY, THERE YOU GO. OKAY? VICEB&. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: ONE CLOSING COMMENT. YOU WENT IN AND YOU ARE GOING TO BUY A BMW FOR $100,000 AND THEN THEY COME BACK AND SAY, WELL, NOW IT'S 115,000 AND IT'S A CHEVY. >> I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT MEANS, BUTB. [LAUGHING] >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: INDIANS THAT ALL OF THIS DISCUSSION WAS BASED ON THAT. WE TOOK 15 PERCENT OF THAT OUT. >> YEAH, SO? >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: OKAY, THIS ISN'T AN OPENB TURN YOUR LIGHTS ON. >> I'M GOOD. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: OKAY, VICE MAYOR. NOW ALL THE SUDDEN, WE HAVE SWUNG FROM 3 TO 2, NO SURVEY TO COMMISSIONER STURGES SAID LET'S GIVE IT AN EFFORT AND ANSWER THE QUESTION, DO WE WANT COMMERCIAL, DO YOU WANT A BANDSHELL, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO WITH PARKING? ANSWER THOSE THREE THINGS. DO I HEAR THAT WE WANT TO AT LEAST GET THE ANSWER TO THOSE THINGS? EVEN THOUGH WE APPROVED THIS CONCEPT? COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I WOULD PREFER THAT WE TAKE OUR VOTE, SEE WHERE WE ARE, BECAUSE THEN IF WE ARE GOING TO APPROVE THIS, THEN IT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALLGAME.E APPROVE THAT, WAITING TWO WEEKS TO DO A SURVEY IS NOT GOING TO B BE THE END OF THE WORLD. WE CAN KICK THE CAN FOR TWO WEEKS PAY. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: WE CAN PAY ADVICE MAYOR? >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: I AM FOR THE SURVEY. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: I AM FOR THE SURVEY ALSO. >> I AM FOR THE SURVEY. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: SO, WE HAVE 3 TO 2. MISSIONARY BEAN, YOU ARE STILLB EVEN THOUGH WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD? >> COMMISSIONER BEAN: YOU PARTY GOT THE THREE, SO IT ACTUALLY DOESN'T MATTER WHAT MY ANSWER IS. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: IT DOES MATTER. I WANT TO HEAR FROM ALL THE COMMISSIONERS. >> COMMISSIONER BEAN: I BACKUP FROM WHAT COMMISSIONER ROSS SAID ABOUT IF WE DON'T APPROVE THIS IN TWO WEEKS, WHICH I'M CONFIDENT THAT WE WILL, BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN THIS PLAN, I BELIEVE IN FERNANDINA AND I BELIEVE IN OUR WATERFRONT GOOD FOR THAT REASON, I THINK WE ARE GOING TO APPROVE IT. IF FOR SOME REASON WE DON'T, [00:45:02] THEN WE CAN DO THE SURVEY, THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: OKAY, SO CITY MANAGER, THE INSTRUCTION IS WE NEED THOSE THREE QUESTIONS ANSWERED.ND THE TIMELINE IS WE DON'T NEED IT BEFORE DECEMBER 2. OKAY? IS THAT, IS THAT CLEARED UP? >> WHAT I WILL DO IS I WILL PUT IT ON THE AGENDA, THEN WE WILL AT LEAST BE ABLE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT AND TAKE AN ACTUAL VOTE INSTEAD OF IT BEING A WORKSHOP. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: GREAT, [3.2 *TAMPA ELECTRIC COMPANY (TECO) ELECTRIC STREET LIGHTING - This item is placed on the agenda at the request of Vice Mayor Kreger.] THANK YOU, SIR. I STILL HAVE TWO LIGHTS ON. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, TEMPO ELECTRIC COMPANY, ELECTRIC STREET LIGHTING, THIS IS PLACED ON THE AGENDA BY THE VICE MAYOR. VICE MAYOR, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, SIR. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: BACK IN SEPTEMBER, I WAS APPROACHED BY TAMPALIGHT , THIS COMPANY IS A PUBLIC UTILITY, THIS IS A NONREGULATED COMPANY. UM, AND THEY DISCUSSED TAKING OVER STREETLIGHTS. THEY GAVE A POWERPOINT, A GENERAL POWERPOINT, WHICH ACTUALLY WAS SENT OUT THE COMMISSIONERS DESK IN MID-SEPTEMBER. UM, IT WAS BIG ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, AND I PUT IT ON THE AGENDA ACTUALLY IN SEPTEMBER TO COME ON THE AGENDA AS A WORKSHOP ITEM. AND I ASKED THEM FOR SOME MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COST. AND I GOT THOSE AND YOU ALL GOT THEM, THEY ARE NOT VERY SPECIFIC AND DIDN'T ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. UM, WHAT, WHAT IS DRIVING THIS IS THEY WANT TO COME IN AND PUT IN LIGHTING AND THERE'S A LOT OF TECHNOLOGY ISSUES, BUT THE CRITICAL ISSUE B& THE QUESTION THEY DID ANSWER IS HOW THEY MAKE THAT TRANSITION. THEY TALK ABOUT ENERGY SAVINGS, UM, AND YOU KNOW, ENERGY SAVINGS ARE B& THE ENERGY USED FOR STREETLIGHTS, THE COST REALLY RUNS FROM ABOUT 9 TO 20 PERCENT, DEPENDING ON THE FIXTURE. MOST OF THE COST OF STREETLIGHTS ARE ON THE WEAKNESS OF THE PULPIT AND THAT BRINGS UP THE ISSUE, THE OTHER ISSUE OF IT B& IT'S ACTUALLY AL SUPPOSED TO BE DONE, CONSISTENT WITH THE TARIFF, WHICH IS PUBLIC AND APPROVED BY THE PUBLIC UTILITY COMMISSION. AND BASICALLY, IT SAYS THAT WE HAVE THE OPTION, WE PICK THE POLE, WE PICK THE LIGHT, AND THAT'S WHAT GOES IN. AND IT'S USUALLY METAL OR SODIUM. CHANGING OUT LIGHTS TO LED, AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A CLUE WHAT THEY ARE DOING. AND THAT, BUT A PREVIOUS MEETING. SO, REALLY WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS MAKE A COUPLEB I DON'T THINK I SHOULD BE DOING THIS. I THINK THIS SHOULD GO TO STAFF TO EVALUATE. IT IS ANOTHER ISSUE HERE THAT COULD BE POSITIVE, AND THAT ISSUE IS WE OWN CENTER STREETLIGHTS. AND THEY COULD COME IN AND DO THAT. THEN IT GETS EVEN MUDDIER BECAUSE HOW DO WE DO ALL THIS FROM THEPURCHASING POINT OF VIEW ? AND I MENTIONED IT TO ATTEND YESTERDAY, DOES IT BECOME SOLICITED ? BUT I DO BELIEVE IT IS WORTH EVALUATING, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE GOT TO COME BACK AND GIVE US A PLAN, THEY ARE BASICALLY DRIVING US, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DRIVE THEM. WE ARE SUPPOSED TO PICK THE POLE AND TELL THEM POLITELY WANT AND THAT'S HOW THE COST IS DETERMINED.AND THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING. AND IF THEY ARE PUTTING IN LED, THEY NEED TO CHANGE AND COST IT OUT. THEY CAN'T JUST GO AND CHANGE THE LAYOUT LIKE THEY'VE BEEN DOING WITHOUT LETTING US KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. SO, THE SECOND PHASE, IT'S ON THE TARIFF, YOU CAN LOOK AT IT, PAGE 56 OR 57. I THINK IT'S WORTH PUSHING TO STAFF TO EVALUATE WHETHER IT'S WORTHWHILE, AND THEY DID CALL LISA, CHIP, I THINK THEY CALL YOU ONCEOR YOU CALLED THEM . AND IN FAIRNESS, FPU HAS BEEN AWARE OF THIS PROCESS SINCE DAY ONE. THIS IS NOT A SECRET. TRANSPARENT IS THE WORD WE LIKE. SO, THAT'S WHAT I LIKE TO DO, GET CONSENSUS TO HAVE STAFF EVALUATE WHETHER THEY WANT TO DO THIS OR DON'T WANT TO DO IT. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: VICE MAYOR, LET ME CALL UP THE CITY MANAGER AND SEE WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS FPU ISSUE? LET ME PREFACE YOUR COMMENTS, CITY MANAGER, BY REWINDING BACK TO WHEN SHE WAS HERE AND TALK ABOUT REPLACEMENT LIGHTS AND HOW THE LIGHTLY CAST WAS TOO BRIGHT FOR THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE INSTRUCTED STAFF TO COME UP WITH A LIGHTING PLAN, UM, WITH THE TYPE OF LIGHTS THAT [00:50:02] SHOULD BE GOING UP IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE CITY. SO, WHERE ARE WE WITH FPU, IS THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE? WHERE EXACTLY ARE WE? >> FPU DENIES CONCERNS ABOUT THE RIGHTNESS OF THE LED, SO THEY HAVE MAINTAINED THE LED REPLACEMENTS AS THEY ARE, NEED TO BE REPLACED, AND THEY HAVE GONE TO THEIR LOWEST LEVEL LEDS POSSIBLE. I THINK THERE ARE STILL SOME CONCERNS, AS REITERATED OR AS OUTLINED BY VICE MAYOR KREGER, THAT WE HAVE HAD CHALLENGES WITH FPU AS TO COMING UP AND DEVELOPING THE LIGHTING PLAN, THEY HAVE BEEN CHANGING THEM OUT ON AN AS-NEEDED BASIS TO THE LOWEST LEVEL THAT THEY CURRENTLY USE. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: OKAY, WHEN YOU SAY CHALLENGES, CAN YOU TAKE US THROUGH THAT? WHAT ARE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES OTHER THAN THEY DON'T HAVE A LOWER B& LUMEN LED LIGHT? >> I THINK THERE'S A VARIETY OF DESIRES THAT FPU WAS TRYING TO WORK THROUGH, SOME PEOPLE WANT MORE LIGHT, SOME PEOPLE WANT LESS LIGHT, SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT PART OF THE CHALLENGE IS THAT THEY ARE FACING, OKAY, WHAT LEVEL OF ILLUMINATION ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT IT WELL LIT FOR PEDESTRIANS, LOT OF PEOPLE WANT IT LESS FOR VEHICLES, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO YES, WE HAVE HAD ONGOING DISCUSSIONS WITH FPU THAT I ADMIT ARE FRUSTRATING AT TIMES. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: AND THE TARIFF ISSUE THAT THE VICE MAYOR RAISED? >> PUBLIC UTILITIES COMMISSION, AND WHAT IT TELLS US IS WE HAVE HIGH-PRESSURE SODIUM LIGHTS AND THEY WENT FROM 150 ACTUALLY DOWN TO 100 WATTS. THEN THERE IS METAL SODIUM LIGHTS. THIS SHOULD BE DETERMINED BASED ON, YOU KNOW, ON THE COMMUNITY. DARK SKIES IS ANOTHER ISSUE, SO YOU WANT LOWER ILLUMINATION, BUT IF THEY ARE PUTTING IN LED LIGHTS, THEY ARE NOT ON HERE. 8 TO 10 YEARS AGO, WE DID LED TESTS. I'M JUST SAYING, THEY NEED TO UPDATE THIS AND BRING IT TO US AND WE NEED TO MAKE CHOICES. YOU KNOW, IT'S OUR DECISION WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COSTS ARE. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: SO, COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: SO, I READ B& I READ OUR AGREEMENT, OUR FRANCHISE WITH THEM. AND FPU HAS A LOT OF RIGHTS AND THEY GIVE US MONEY. AND THAT WAS A NUMBER OF PEOPLE FROM FPU, WHICH I WAS GOING TO DO BEFORE THIS EVER CAME UP, ABOUT ANOTHER ISSUE. AND I ALSO TALKED WITH THE GENTLEMAN FROM THIS COMPANY. AND BASICALLY, FPU AS A FRANCHISE, THEY GET TO PUT UP THE LIGHTS. AND THEY CAN'T, THEY CANNOT REPLACE THE SODIUM VAPOR LIGHTS ANYMORE. THE PARTS DON'T EXIST. THEY DON'T MAKE THEM ANYMORE. SO THEY ARE GOING TO GO TO LED AND THEY ARE APPARENTLY COMING UP WITH A PLAN AS WE SPEAK, WHICH HOPEFULLY THEY WILL ROLL IT OUT IN THE NEAR FUTURE.I'M NOT AN ADVOCATE, I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT THEY SIMPLY SAID. AND THIS COMPANY CANNOT COMING AND UNILATERALLY GO ON FPU POLLS, WHICH WE NOW GET FOR FREEB&. >> NO, YOU DON'T GET THEM FREE. >> HANG ON. YOU WILL HAVE YOUR OPPORTUNITY. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, SIR? >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: GUARANTEED TO MAINTAIN WITHOUT COSTS, ALL RIGHT, IT'S RIGHT HERE, SECTION 14. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: OF THE CITY AGREEMENT WITH FPU?KAY, THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS: I MEAN, IT'S RIGHT THERE. SO, FPU HAS RIGHTS. WHERE I DO THINK THIS WOULD BE A GREAT THING, WHAT I WOULD LIKE THE COMMISSION TO DO IS FOR FPU DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO COME IN RIGHT NOW AND REPLACE THE STREETLIGHTS FROM CENTER, ON CENTER STREET FROM FRONT TO EIGHT, THEN TWO BLOCKS ON EITHER SIDE. THEY DON'T HAVE THE REGULATORY ABILITY, THEY DON'T HAVE PRICING, I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO THEM FOR YEARS, TRYING TO GET THEM TO DO THIS AND THEY ARE NOT IN THE POSITION TO DO THAT. THIS COMPANY SEEMS TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.ND BASICALLY, WHAT WAS PROPOSED IS THEY WOULD COME IN AND PUT IN THE LIGHTS THAT WE DECIDE ON, AND WE WILL LEASE THEM FROM THEM. AND I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A GREAT THING TO LOOK INTO.AND I AGREE WITH THAT. AS FAR AS LOOKING INTO. THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. I HAVE NO INTEREST IN FIGHTING WITH FPU OVER THIS PERIOD MAYBE [00:55:03] ASK THEM THE PLAN WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT. BUT I THINK WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO GO FORWARD WITH TONIGHT IS TO AT LEAST HAVE STAFF FOR MAIN STREET ENGAGE IN A CONVERSATION WITH THEM, TO SEE WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO PUT IN A LIGHTING SYSTEM DOWNTOWN IT ALL NEEDS TO BE REPLACED BECAUSE YOU CAN'T REPLACE THOSE POLES ANYMORE, THEY ARE NEW PARTS. AND WHAT IT WOULD COST, AND THEN RELEASE THEM FROM THEM OVER A LONG-TERM LEASE. AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: VICE MAYOR? >> I'M FINE WITH THAT, I'M JUST SAYING, 9500 WATTS, PAYING 978 MAINTENANCE, AND THEN YOU ARE PAYING FOR ENERGY. AND IF YOU WANT ANOTHER KIND OF POLEB& THAT'S WHAT THE TURFS IS. >> WITH THE PRICES AND ALL THAT. >> THE TARIFF IS A FLORIDA PUBLIC UTILITY DOCUMENT. SO, I'M GOOD WITH B& IF IT'S TO MOVE FORWARD, FOR FPU TO COME BACK WITH WHAT THEY ASKED TO DO, AND IF THEY GO TO MAIN STREET, THEY HAVE TALKED TO MAIN STREET. >> SO, SHOULD BE FORMALLY INVITING REQUEST TARIFFS FOR LED LIGHTING? >> YES. >> I HEAR ONE YES ANDB I HAVE THREE OTHER COMMISSIONERS. >> BUT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS HAVE THE CITY MANAGER GO TALK TO FPU B& COME IN AT THE NEXT MEETING AND EXPLAIN THIS. INSTEAD OF RUNNING OFF AND ASKING. I MEAN, OF THE COURT, THEY GO AROUND WITH THE TARIFFS AND IT GOES AROUND AND AROUND. INSTEAD OF GOING WITH THE TARIFFS, WHY DON'T WE HAVE YOU COME IN AND EXPLAIN WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO ABOUT LED LIGHTING. THEY ADMIT THAT THEY CAN NO LONGER REPLACE THESE LIGHTS, THEY'RE ALL FALLING APART. SO, WHAT IS THEIR PLAN? I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE TO ASK. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: I AGREE WITH YOU, COMMISSIONER ROSS. BUT I FIND IT PROBLEMATIC WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW THE COST OF SOMETHING. AND THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO QUOTE YOU THE COST OF LED LIGHTING. I FIND THAT HIGHLY PROBLEMATIC. I WOULD LIKE TO AT SOME POINT B&. >> WHY DO WE ASK THEMB& PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THEY REGULATED, THEY HAVE TO GO GET ALL DISAPPROVED, AND MAYBE WE SHOULD HEAR FROM THEM WHAT THE STORY IS. >> THANK YOU, MR. TO HEAR FROM THEM. LET'S SEND THEM AN INVITE. >> I TALKED WITH FPU ABOUT THIS. SURE YOU CAN HEAR IT FROM THEM. BUT THEY SAID CATEGORICALLY, WE HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THEM. THEY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. THEY ARE REGULATED AND THESE PEOPLE AREN'T REGULATED. >> VICE MAYOR? >> FPU PROVIDES ELECTRICITY. CALHOUN COUNTY, JACKSON, LIBERTY TO THREE SMALL COMMUNITIES. AND THIS LED THING HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE 2008. LATER THAN THAT, MAYBE 2012.% YOU KNOW MANY FOR THEM NOT TO DO THAT IS REALLY UNACCEPTABLE. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE ARE PAYING FOR. SO I AGREE, IF THEY COME IN THAT'S FINE. LET THEM EXPLAIN. THEY WERE GOING TO GET TO THE CITY MANAGER. THEY DIDN'T. WE NEED TO HAVE A PLAN AND EVERYBODY'S NOT HAPPY WITH IT. PUTTING IN MASSIVE LIGHTING. YOU KNOW. WE DON'T HAVE A CONSISTENT PLAN OF WHAT WE WANT. THAT'S ALL I WANT TO DO. IF THEY TALK TO MAIN STREET, IF THAT'S VIABLE, THAT'S GOOD, TOO. THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. >> WHY DON'T WE INVITE THEM TO MAKE A PRESENTATION. >> SURE. >> BEFORE THE COMMISSION TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON THESE ISSUES. THAT WAY WE CAN GET THE BALL ROLLING. TO GET SOME ANSWERS. AND MOVE FORWARD WITH MAIN STREET. >> YES, SIR. >> AND CITY ATTORNEY WILL LOOK AT HOW THAT'S DONE? PURCHASE WISE? >> YES. >> OK. >> OK. WE AGREE? >> ALL RIGHT. >> ALL RIGHT. WE ARE OVER TIME. [01:00:02] ARE THERE ANY OTHER ISSUES WE NEED FOR THIS WORKSHOP? SEEING NONE I AM GOING TO ADJOURN UNTIL 6:10. SO, THE WORKSHOP IS ADJOURNED * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.