[1. CALL TO ORDER]
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ORDER THE NOVEMBER 2, 2021 CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP.
MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: HERE, >> BRADLEY BEAN: HERE.
>> RONALD ROSS: HERE DAVID STURGES HERE.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: THANK YOU.
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[3.2 ENTERPRISE FUND KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS]
SO ITEM 33.2. KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS FOR THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS. THIS WAS PLACED ON THE AGENDA BY MYSELF. MR. GEORGE, FULL JUST PUT THOSE SLIDES UP FOR ME, PL PLEASE.THAT'S NOT THE ONE. THAT IS NOT THE ONE EITHER.
>> IT WILL TAKE ME A MOMENT, SIR.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: THAT'S FINE.
>> ANY REASON WE SKIPPED 3.1. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: A GOOD QUESTION. COMMISSIONER ROSS, I ASKED THAT BE REMOVED A WEEK AGO AND PLACED ON THE AGENDA NEXT MONTH. I ASKED THE CITY MANAGER TO DO THAT BEFORE HE LEFT. .>
>> I APOLOGIZE, MAYOR. YOU E-MAILED THAT TO THE CITY
MANAGER? >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: I E-MAILED THAT TO MR. GEORGE. I DID -- ARE YOU RESPOND WILLING THAT IN YOU OPINION REALITY OF IT -- IN RECEIPT OF IT? THE ONLY THING THAT AND?
YOU DIDN'T GET A POWERPOINT? >> NO.
>> OKAY. >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO DEFER
THIS TO THE NEXT WORKSHOP. >> NO, THAT IS FINE.
IT WAS SUGGESTED BY CITIZENS THAT -- AND ASKED WHY WE DON'T USE KEY PERFORMANCE INDI INDICATORS.
KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS ARE METRICS THAT DEFINE WHETHER YOU ARE SUCCEEDING OR THO NOT. THEY ARE THE MEASURE YOUR PATH TO SUCCESS OR FAILURE. AND I WILL SPEAK PERSONALLY FOR MYSELF. I WOULD BE RETHIS NOT DOING THAT FOR THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS. EVERY MONTH WE DO A FINANCIAL REPORT AND WADE THROUGH -- DOES AN EXCELLENT JOB OF PRESENTING US A SNAPSHOT OF WHAT EACH DEPARTMENT IS DOING; HOWEVER,
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DIFFICULTY] >> WITH THAT I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION. COMMISSIONER BEAN.
>> BRADLEY BEAN: THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.
I APPRECIATE YOU PUTTING THIS ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE I DO AGREE SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT FOR US -- FOR US TO ACCOMPLISH AS A COMMISSION. AND WHAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT TO MAKE IT A KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATOR OR KPI, I WOULD KEEP IT SIMPLE. HAVING FOUR OR FIVE INDICATORS MIGHT BE TOO MUCH. AND WHAT I WILL ASK AND WHAT MY IDEAL WILL BE EACH DEPARTMENT KEEPING TRACK OF, WHAT IS THE ONE THING THAT WILL MAKE THAT STAND OUT.
AND FOR GOLF COURSE, IT MIGHT BE -- I WOULD CONSIDER TOP TRACER A SEPARATE ENTITY. FOR TOP TRACER.
HOW MUCH TOP TRACER DID WE SELL.
FOR THE AIRPORT, IT COULD BE -- IT COULD BE HOW MANY PLANES HAVE TAKEN OFF AND DIFFERENT METRICS FOR EACH ONE, BUT WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST PUT IT BACK ON THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND SAY WHAT WOULD BE THE NUMBER ONE THING TO PROOF HOW YOUR DEPARTMENT, HOW YOUR ENTERPRISE FUND IS DOING.
THE GOLF COURSE, AIRPORT AND MARINA FOR THE ONE TOP ITEM TO SHOW THE COMMISSION EVERY MONTH AND CHART THAT AND SEE IF THEY ARE GOOD OR NOT SO GOOD.
>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. JUST -- TO FURTHER ILLUMINATE EVERYONE. ON THE MARINA, THERE ARE FIVE CATEGORIES. HERE IS WHAT THEY ARE.
REVENUE. REVENUE SEPTEMBER WAS DOWN $70,000. GROSS PROFIT.
GROSS PROFIT WAS DOWN $36,000. PAYROLL.
PAYROLL WAS ACTUALLY DOWN, WHICH IS A GOOD THING BY $9,000. OTHER EXPENSES.
OTHER EXPENSES WERE UP $6,000. AND THEN NET OPERATING INCOME WHICH WAS DOWN $34,000. SO THAT IS FIVE METRICS.
AND IT TAKES YOU ONE MINUTE TO READ IT.
TAKES YOU ONE MINUTE TO READ IT.
VICE-MAYOR. >> I AGREE THAT METRICS ARE APPROPRIATE IF THEY ARE WELL THOUGHT OUT.
GOING BACK -- I THINK IT WAS SEPARATE AND WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT. I ALSO AGREE THAT THE -- TO DETERMINE WHAT IS VALID AND BY PRIORITY.
FOR EXAMPLE, THEREFORE, WE DON'T MAKE A LOT OF DIFFERENCE IN REALITY. BUT WHATEVER THAT NATURE GI GIVES, IT GETS ESTABLISHED AND BOTTOM LINE BECOMES REVENUE.
>> COMMISSIONER STURGESS TAMPA.
>>DAVID STURGES: THANK YOU, MAYOR.
I THINK YOU ARE ON TO SOMETHING.
EACH DEPARTMENT WILL BE DIFFERENT.
FOR AIRPORT, THE HANGAR SPACE THEY RENT.
CERTAIN HANGAR REVENUE VERSUS GAS EXPENSE AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT COME THROUGH HERE THAT ARE GOING TO BE DIFFERENT INDICATORS OF THE DEPARTMENT HEAD IS GOING TO BE THE ONE TO COME UP AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE DID THIS MONTH.
THIS IS WHAT WE SAID FOR THE AIRPORT.
I KNOW WE TOOK OVER THE GOLF COURSE AND WE DIDN'T GET A LOT OF RECORDS OTHER THAN THE MONEY WE GAVE.
I KNOW THE AIRPORT HAS BEEN GOING FOR A WHILE.
SO THEY MIGHT HAVE A SUCCESSION OF OUR ANNUAL REVENUE FOR THIS YEAR WAS THIS AMOUNT.
THE YEAR BEFORE WAS THIS AMOUNT.
CURRENTLY WE ARE AT THIS AMOUNT.
BASED ON THOSE INDICATORS THEY COULD GET A FAST SPREADSHEET OF WHERE WE ARE BASED ON THAT PERCENTAGE.
AND I THINK THAT IS WILL BE UP TO THE DEPARTMENT HEAD WHAT THE INDICATORS ARE. I DON'T THINK IT IS A BAD I
IDEA. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER ROSS WAS DILIGENT IN MAKING SOME SUGGESTIONS ON KEY PERFORMANCE INLAND KATEERS THAT WE ALL RECEIVED. I WOULD SUGGEST WE FORWARD THAT TO THE DEPARTMENT HEADS FOR CONSIDERATION.
AND MR. CHARGE, IN THE ABSENCE OF MR. MARTIN.
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SO WE HAVE CONSENSUS THAT WE WOULD LIKE FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD A SCOREBOARD FOR THE GOLF COURSE, THE AIRPORT, THE MARINA AND TOP TRACER THAT ARE DISPLAY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE MONTHLY FINANCIALS. SO I GOT TWO YESES THERE.YES, SIR, COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> RONALD ROSS: SO I JUST PASSED OUT -- AND THIS IS -- EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT A FRIEND OF THE PORT I AM, BUT THEY TO DO A REPORT EVERY MONTH.
AND CERTAINLY WILL NOT DO A TONNAGE REPORT, BUT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT SOME OF THE THINGS THEY DO IN THIS, THEY SHOW THAT 2018, '19, '20, '21 TOTALS BREAK IT OUT PER MONTH AND YEAR TO DATE THAT TO ME IS A SCORE BOARD.
BECAUSE THIS IS -- AND ON THE LIST THINK THAT CAME UP ARE, I DID OBTAIN THOSE BY DOING INTERNET SEARCH AND SEE WHAT OTHER GOLF COURSES AN OTHER MARINAS DO AND I TALK TO EACH ONE OF THE MANAGERS AND INPUT A LITTLE BIT.
NOT THEIR WORK, BUT MINE. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL THAN JST ONE NUMBER.
HOW DO YOU MEASURE SUCCESS. IS IT PURELY MONEY.
BECAUSE WE ARE NOT JUST IN THIS FOR MONDAY.
I THINK TAKE OFF AND LANDINGS. PROBABLY THE SINGLE BIGGEST ISSUES THAT THE GULF -- EXCUSE ME THE AIRPORT MANAGER.
AND TO BE HONEST, SUCCESS IN THE VIEW OF A LOT OF OUR CITIZENS WOULD BE THE AIRPORT TAKEOFFS AND LANDINGS DECREASING, NOT INCREASING. HONESTLY.
IF YOU GO TO THE MARINA, THE RATES ARE BASICALLY TWO DIFFERENT RATES. ONE IS FOR TRANSIENT, AND THE OTHER FOR NONTRANSIENT AND THE NONTRANSIENT IS FIXED FOR THE YEAR. UNLESS YOU INCREASE THE PRICE AND NUMBER IN THE WAITING LIST INDICATES THAT THE BIG WAIT LIST WAS 50 VOTES NOW. THE TRANSIENT IS GOING TO MAKE THEIR MONEY. WE WANT TO KNOW HOW THE TRANSIENTS ARE COMING IN AND HOW THEY CAN DO SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY. SO ANYHOW, I THINK IT IS RIGHT THAT YOU SHOULD SEND THIS BACK TO THE ENTERPRISE MANAGERS AND SEE WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE AND HOPE THAT IT IS A LITTLE MORE DETAILED BECAUSE I DON'T THINK YOU CAN MEASURE SUCCESS IN ONE NUMBER. IT IS A LOT -- IT IS A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT.
>> I WOULD AGREE MORE THAN ONE NUMBER.
SO WE HAVE CONSENSUS THAT WE WILL NOT SEE A SCOREBOARD FOR THE ENTERPRISE FUNDS. COMMISSIONER BEAN.
>> BRADLEY BEAN: THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.
I WOULD LIKE TO PUT TO THE COMMISSION FOR CONSIDERATION, MY DAY JOB IS AN INDUSTRIAL ENGINEERS AND COMPLETED THESE EPIS. WHEN YOU THINK OF A SCOR SCOREBOARD. YOUR KID'S TEE BALL GAME.
TWO NUMBERS, WHO IS WINNING AND WHO IS-S WILLING.
IT DOESN'T INCLUDE ALL THESE OTHER THINGS.
COULD YOU INCLUDE YOUR BATTING AVERAGE AND MAY BE A INDICATOR OF HOW KIDS ARE BATTING AND IMPORTANT TO LOOK LIKE IF YOU WANT TO DEEP DIVE INTO THE SCORE, BUT IF YOU INCLUDE THAT, IT WILL BE A A LOT OF NUMBERS AND THE POINT IS IF YOU ARE WINNING OR LOSING AT A GLANCE.
THAT WILL BE WHAT I WOULD SEE AS COUNTER PRODUCTIVE.
I WOULD CALL THIS NOT REALLY A SCOREBOARD, BUT VERY DETAILED.
THE POINT IS TO REALLY BOIL IT DOWN TO WHAT MATTERS.
YOU CAN'T DETERMINE SUCCESS IN ONE NUMBER, AND CAN DETERMINE AT A GLANCE HOW WE ARE DOING. A GENERAL GIST OF HOW WE ARE DOING AND IF YOU ARE NOT DOING WELL AND DEEP DIVE, LOOK AT ALL THE NUMBERS. IF YOU CAN PULL A SHEET, I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE -- THE PUBLIC IS ASKING FOR KPIS AND WE HAVE A MARINA SHEET THAT HAS ALL THIS DATA THAT COMES OUT. AND WHAT THEY ARE NOT ASKING IS A SHEET OF A BUNCH OF NUMBERS.
THEY ARE ASKING FOR ONE NUMBER THAT WE CAN LOOK AT FOR EACH ITEM. SO I THINK WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WE WANT TO SEND IT BACK TO THE DEPARTMENT HEADS TO PICK OUT WHAT MATTER TO THEM.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF NOT ONE BUT TWO THINGS THAT -- WHAT IS
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MOST IMPORTANT AND WHAT AT A GLANCE WE CAN LOOK AT AND SEE WITHOUT HAVING TO -- BECAUSE RIGHT HERE, I SEE A LOT OF GOOD ITEMS, BUT IT WOULD TAKE -- A LITTLE BIT FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING. DIFFERENT RAIL CARS AND WHAT TYPE OF ITEMS ARE BEING LOADED UP.I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A ST STREAMLINE SIMPLE KPI THAT WE CAN BRAG ABOUT WHEN WE ARE DOING WELL.
THAT IS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: COMMISSIONER ROSS.
>> RONALD ROSS: I AM TRYING TO DIGEST WHAT WAS SAID.
I DON'T THINK THAT SUCCESS OR FAILURE OF THESE ENTERPRISE FUNDS IS MEASURED IN ONE NUMBER.
AND I THINK IT IS -- AND YOU CAN -- CERTAINLY DON'T NEED TO GET INTO THE DETAIL, BUT HOW DO YOU -- WHAT NUMBER WOULD YOU PICK TO MEASURE THE SUCCESS OF THE MARINA?
>> CAN I ANSWER THAT? >> ANSWER ANSWER.
>> I WOULD ASK THE MARINA WHAT NUMBER WOULD YOU PICK TO MEASURE THE SUCCESS. I WOULD CONSIDER IT POSSIBLY OF PERCENTAGE OF SLIPPAGE FEET RENTED AND YOU WANT YOUR KPIS IF IT IS GOOD, IT IS A POSITIVE NUMBER.
BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE NEGATIVE NUMBERS BEING GOOD, THAT WILL PROVIDE SOME CONFUSION. WHATEVER WE END UP WITH, SOMETHING POSITIVELY INCREASE GOING WE ARE DOING WELL AND IF WE WANT HAVE 100% OF OUR MARINA RENTED OUT AND PROBABLY THE MOST SIMPLE ONE I CAN THINK OF AND AGAIN ASK THE MARINA WHAT WOULD YOU MEASURE YOUR SUCCESS BY.
>> MAY I RESPOND? >> ABSOLUTELY.
>> YOU ALWAYS WANT IT TO BE GETTING BETTER.
WELL, THE REALITY OF THE MARINA IS, THERE ARE TWO SEASONS. ONE SEASON IT'S GOING TO WAX AND WANE, SO NOT ALWAYS GOING TO BE POSITIVE NOR COULD IT -- -- NOR CAN IT BE. SO I AM JUST MAKING -- I AM NOT GOING TO SIT HERE AND DEBATE ABOUT -- I THINK IT IS A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED THAN ONE NUMBER AND THIS ISN'T A SCOREBOARD. I THINK THAT IS A LITTLE SIMPLISTIC. MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT AND CAN CATERS. MAYBE THESE ARE -- INDICATORS AND MAYBE THESE ARE A LITTLE TOO DEEP THAT COMPARE HOW YOU DID THIS YEAR COMPARED TO HOW DID YOU THE LAST YEAR.
BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS, AS YOU POINTED OUT, ALWAYS WANT TO BE IMPROVING. THEN IF A HURRICANE CAME IN THAT EFFECTS ALL THIS, THE MARINA AND THE GOLF COURSE ARE HIGHLY WEATHER DEPENDENT. AND THEY ARE DEPENDENT ON THE TIME OF YEAR AND OTHER THINGS. SO -- ANYHOW.
LET'S SEE WHAT THEY COME UP WITH.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: VICE-MAYOR.
>> SUCCESS IS FOR THE GOLF COURSE AND EXCLUDE THE AIRPORT BECAUSE THE AIRPORT PRETTY MUCH REMAINS IN THE BLACK BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT IS FUNDED IS THAT THEY BREAK E EVEN. BY ALLOWING THE MANAGERS TO ESTABLISH THIS MATRIX OF THOSE ITEMS AND THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT. , ETC.
AND BY ALLOWS THEM TO MEET THEIR GOAL.
THE RESIDENTS MAY NOT LIKE IT, BUT NOT A MEASURE OF SUCCESS FOR THE AIRPORT. SO I THINK THE KEY IS TO LET ESTABLISH THEM AND TO SEE IF THEY NEED THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF BREAKING EVEN AND PROVIDING SERVICE IN WHATEVER WE WANT
MISSION-WISE. >> I THINK WE ARE LITTLE BIT IN THE WEEDS. I WILL THROW IT BACK TO THE DEPARTMENT HEADS. LET THEM COME UP WITH -- WE ARE LOOKING FOR A SCOREBOARD. JUST LIKE A BASEBALL GAME.
SEVERAL COMPONENTS TO A BASEBALL SCORE BOARD.
WHAT MONTH ARE YOU IN. HOW MANY OUTS ARE THERE.
WHAT IS THE SCORE. WHAT IS THE COUNT ON THE BATTER. YOU LOOK AT A SCOREBOARD AND DETERMINE IF YOU ARE WINNING OR LOSING.
IF YOU ARE LOSING, WHAT IS IT THAT WE MUST TO DO WIN.
AS SIMPLE AS THAT. SO WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO GIVE US, MR. GEORGE, BECAUSE I AM SPEAKING TO YOU, NOT DIRECTLY TO THE DEPARTMENT HEADS. I AM FOLLOWING PROTOCOLS.
CAN WE HAVE A SAMPLE AT THAT FIRST MEETING IN DECEMBER.
>> JUST A SAMPLE. JUST A REVIEW.
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>> GREAT. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS? WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE TO OUR NEXT ITEM 3.3, COASTAL UPLAND
[3.3 COASTAL UPLAND PROTECTION ZONE - DUNES]
PROTECTION ZONES. THE DUNES.PLACED ON THE AGENDA BY VICE-MAYOR KRIEGER.
VICE-MAYOR, YOU HAVE THE FL FLOOR, SIR.
>> VICE MAYOR KREGER: BACK IN LATE AUGUST AS I WAS DRIVING DOWN FIRST AVENUE. I WAS STOPPED BY THE RESIDENT WHO WANTED TO POINT OUT TWO HOUSES THEY WERE BUILDING AND THE PROTECTION OF THE DUNES. I LOOKED AT THEM AND THERE WAS SORT OF -- MINIMAL PROTECTION OF THE DUNES DURING CONSTRUCTION. THE E-MAIL WENT OUT AND YOU ALL GOT COPIES OF THE E-MAIL ALONG WITH THE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE PICTURES. THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 3 3-102 SPECIFICALLY REQUIRES THAT THEY BE PROTECTED AND VARIOUS OTHER THINGS. IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY MANAGER, CITY ENGINEER, PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AND NEW BUILDING OFFICIAL, THEY BASICALLY ALL CONCUR THAT IT WAS INAPPROPRIATE THE WAY THEY WERE DOING IT.
IDEALLY, WOULD LIKE TO SEE RETAINING WALLS BUILT AT THE BEGINNING OF CONSTRUCTION. THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE IN MANY CASES. WE RECOGNIZE THAT.
BUT JUST LIKE A DUSTER IS PUT UP, YOU NEED TO STABILIZE AND PROTECT THE DUNES DURING CONSTRUCTION AND THAT IS ALL GOING TO HAPPEN. SO WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT AND WE HAVE THE BEST WE CAN.
FIRST AVENUE AS YOU ALL KNOW HAS GOT ANOTHER EMPTY AREAS, A LOT OF DUNES AND SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS COMING IN THERE.
THE NEXT STEP AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, WHAT CAN WE DO AS A CITY TO -- WHAT CAN WE EFFECTIVELY, POSSIBLY IMPLEMENT ON THE PLANNING TO DO A BETTER JOB OF PROTECTING THE DUNES. I TALKED TO VARIOUS PEOPLE.
THE TRUE CONSERVANCIES AND TALK TO STAFF AND THINGS WE MAY BE ABLE TO DO CONSISTENT WITH ALL -- CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
AND I AM GOING TO MOVE FORWARD AT WORKING ON THAT.
BUT I DEFINITELY BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE ATTENTION AS WE MOVE FOR A IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS AN NOT JUST THAT. ONE OF THE PARTICULAR HOUSES, THE DUMPSTER IS SITTING IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IN THE STREET.
THE WHOLE MANAGEMENT PROCESS OF CONSTRUCTION SITES.
AND WE ARE MOVING TOWARD DOING THAT.
SO IF THE ACTING CITY MANAGER WANTS TO MAKE A COMMENT, I
TOLD HIM I WOULD ASK HIM TOO. >> CHARLIE GEORGE.
THIS IN ASPECT TALKING AS A CITY ENGINEER.
WHAT WE CAN DO, THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WE HAVE SEEN SO FAR IS THE CONTRACTORS, BUILDERS, HOWEVER, LOOK AT PUTTING PROTECTION IN AFTER THE HOUSE IS FINISHED AT THE FINAL STAGE. BUT WE HAVE SEEN DURING THE PROCESS OF CONSTRUCTION, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN PROTECTING AND IT SORT OF GETS TRAMPLED ON AND MATERIALS, DEBRIS AND ALL THAT STUFF. WE WILL MAKE A MORE CONCERTED EFFORT DURING THE DESIGN REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY PROVIDE THE TEMPORARY PROTECTION AS WELL AS THE PERMANENT AND COULD BE THE SAME THING IF THEY ARE WILLING TO BUILD IT THE RIGHT TIME AND AT LEAST HAVE SUFFICIENT PROTECTION OF THE DUNES DURING THEIR CONSTRUCTION.
THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WHEN THEY GO AND CLEAR THE LOT, DIG INTO THE DUNES. SLUFFS OFF AND AFTER THE FACT THEY WILL TRY TO BE MORE PROACTIVE IN THE DESIGN REVIEW AND REQUIRE THE PROTECTION TEMPORARY AND PERMANENT.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: COMMISSIONER ROSS.
>> RONALD ROSS: SO MY QUESTION TO WHOEVER CAN BEST ANSWER IT, IS WHO IS GOING TO ENFORCE THAT?
>> THAT WILL BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF BOTH THE BUILDING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO HANDLE THAT.
>> RONALD ROSS: DO WE HAVE PEOPLE IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WHO CAN ENFORCE
THAT RIGHT NOW? >> YES, THE BUILDING INSPECTORS AND BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THE PLANNER ALSO REVIEW THE COMPATIBILITY AND STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF WHATEVER THEY PUT IN AND UP TO BOTH TO GO THROUGH THE SITE REVIEW DURING THEIR PERIODIC INSPECTIONS TO MAKE SURE IT STAYS IN PLACE. LIKE SOLE EROSION CONTROL PLANS AND MONITOR. AND WE GOT TO MAKE AT THAT CONCERTED EFFORT TO CAN LOOKING AT THAT ALONG WITH ALL
THE OTHER ISSUES. >> RONALD ROSS: DO I STILL
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HAVE THE FLOOR? MY QUESTION IS, SOMEONE HAS TO DO IT ON A DAILY BASIS AND I DON'T THINK HE THE MAN -- THE PEOPLE POWER. I WANT TO BE POLITICALLY CORRECT, THE PEOPLE POWER, THE STAFF -- A BETTER WAY OF PUTTING IT -- THE STAFF TO MONITOR THAT.WHEN I RIDE MY BICYCLE AROUND THE CITY WHEN I DO MY MORNING BIKE RIDE. PART OF THE EROSION CONTROL THINGS THAT ARE PUSHED DOWN. AND ALL OVER THE PLACE.
AND THEY STAY THAT WAY FOR DAYS, WEEKS.
AND I AM NOT BLAMING YOU. I AM NOT BLAMING EVERYBODY.
BUT I THINK THEY ARE A BIG PART OF THE PROBLEM IS THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF RULES AND THEY AREN'T ENFORCED.
THE LAST BUILDING OFFICIAL WAS A LITTLE BIT MORE STICKY WITH THE RULES. AND IT WAS A HUGE OUTCRY.
WE CAN ARGUE THAT THAT FROM HERE TO KAZOO AND THERE WAS AN OUTCRY. AND SO THE PROBLEM -- AND I THINK -- WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH RESOURCES AND IT IS A BUDGETARY PROBLEM TO ENFORCE THE RULES APPROPRIATELY.
>> I THINK THE MAN POWER OF THE BUILDING, PLANNING AND CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENTS ARE STRETCHED.
AND WHAT WE HAVE, WE WILL DO THE BEST WE CAN.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: COMMISSIONER STURGESS.
>>DAVID STURGES: NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR THIS ABOUT THE M MANPOWER -- AND I WILL SPEAK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND.
THIS IS THE UPLAND DUNES. NOT THE COASTAL -- THIS IS THE
SECONDARY AND THIRD -- >> THE COASTAL PROTECTION ZONE RIGHT, THE INSPECTORS WOULD FALL IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND THE INSPECTORS WHEN THEY ARE ON THE JOBSITE TO DETERMINE YOU ARE NOT MEETING THE GUIDELINES OF WHAT WE PUT OUT. SO ULTIMATELY, WE WOULD NEED TO REPAIR IT OR THEY CAN PUT A STOP ORDER ON IT UNTIL THEY PREPARED OR FIXED IT. THIS SHOULDN'T BE THAT BIG OF A PROBLEM TO FIX. AND IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM AND WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO HIRE EMPLOYEES IN THIS DEPARTMENT FOR A WHILE. SO THIS IS NOT A ISSUE WHERE WE ARE LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE TRYING TO HIRE AN EMPLOYEE.
THEY ARE NOT. NOT EASY TO COME BY AND I THINK WE WILL DO THE BEST WITH WHAT WE CAN.
AND YOU BROUGHT THIS TO US TO TALK ABOUT DID YOU SEE A MASS AMOUNT OF TRAMPLING OF THE DUNES.
WITH THE COUPLE OF PICTURES YOU SENT.
>> LET ME JUST SAY THE TEMPORARY PERMITTING IS NOT A BIG DEAL IN TERMS OF MONITORING.
IT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF BUILDING INSPECTORS WHO ARE OUT THERE CONSTANTLY. THE ISSUE TO ME IS -- YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE TO BRING UP EXPERIENCE AND NOT MARINE CORPS EXPERIENCE AND DEAL WITH FACILITIES AND THE -- I UNDERSTAND HOW CONTRACTORS WORK AND YOU MAKE THEM DO IT.
IT IS NOT THAT DIFFICULT OF A THING.
YOU MAKE THEM DO IT. >> CORRECT.
>> PART OF THIS IS WHAT IS COMING UP THERE IN THE FUTURE.
IT IS REAL INTERESTING AREA WITH A LOT OF LOTS.
AND LET'S DO IT RIGHT AND ENFORCE -- LET'S GO BY THE
LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. >> I AGREE 100%.
I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT ON. THEY SHOULD FOLLOW AND COMPLY WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
SO I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO ENFORCE WHAT WE HAVE.
I REALLY THINK THAT IT IS IN PLACE.
WE JUST NEED TO ENFORCE IT. >> IF I COULD MAKE ONE COMMENT
VICE-MAYOR KRIEGER. >> INSPECTORS ARE NOT OUT THERE CONSTANTLY. THEY GO OUT WITH AN SPECIFIC -- WITH FRAMING, ROUGH END, THAT KIND OF THING.
THEY ARE NOT JUST LOOK FOR THESE THINGS AND A WHOLE LIST.
BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE COVER THAT.
JUST ONE OTHER TOPIC, BUT TO SAY THAT THEY ARE OUT THERE CHECKING STUFF EVERY DAY, THAT IS NOT TRUE.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: COMMISSIONER ROSS.
>> RONALD ROSS: I THINK THIS IS MORE FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY.
THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THAT IS NOT ENFORCED BY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, AM I CORRECT?
>> THERE ARE CERTAIN ASPECTS THAT ARE.
NOT PAID FOR. THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THE INSPECTORS, THEY ARE PAID FROM BUILDING PERMIT FEES, NOT RESTRICTED FUND. AND IT IS ONLY IN PLACE TO ENFORCE THE BUILDING CODE AND NOT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
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>> THESE ISSUES ARE NOT PART OF THE BUILDING CODE.
>> CORRECT, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
>> RONALD ROSS: WE DON'T HAVE ANY INSPECTORS TO GO OUT AND DO THIS IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AM I CORRECT?
>> NOT LISTED IN ANY JOB DESCRIPTIONS THAT I KNOW OF,
NO. >> RONALD ROSS: I THINK THAT IS A STRUCTURAL PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE THAT WE HAVE NOBODY TO ENFORCE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE BECAUSE IT IS NOT IN THE BUDGET. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE
WANT TO CONSIDER. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH:
COMMISSIONER. >> PART OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS. ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE DON'T DO ANYTHING AND LET THE DUNES BE DESTROYED? IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING?
>> GO AHEAD AND ASK YOUR QUESTION.
I AM READY TO POUNCE AND I WANT TO YOU FINISH YOUR QUESTION AND THEN COMMISSIONER ROSS CAN RESPOND.
>> RONALD ROSS: I AM SUGGESTING THAT SOMEBODY FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO ENFORCE THE DAMN CODE.
THAT IS WHAT I AM SUGGESTING. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD. VICE-MAYOR.
>> VICE MAYOR KREGER: THAT'S FINE.
WE HAVE A PROBLEM NOW. LET'S FIX THE PROBLEM.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: COMMISSIONER ROSS.
>> RONALD ROSS: THE BUILDING KEPT, THEY WILL TELL YOU, THEY TAKE CARE OF BUILDING PERMITS AND THESE ARE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ISSUES. THAT'S THE -- THAT IS A BIG PART OF THE PROBLEM. AND THE BUILDING -- THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, THEY GOT PLENTY TO DO.
AND THIS IS A SEPARATE ISSUE THAT I THINK -- YOU ARE RIGHT.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT UP. IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT.
WE ARE DEMOLISHING THIS CITY ONE STRIKE AT A TIME.
BUT PART OF IT IS BECAUSE OF ENFORCEMENT AND MAYBE WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT AND LOOK AT SOMETHING ELSE TO BRING SOMEONE ON TO ENFORCE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
YEAH, I AGREE WITH YOU 100%, BUT I THINK TELLING THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT THAT THEY HAVE TO DO THINGS THAT THEY ARE NOT -- THEY ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DOING BY LAW, THEY ENFORCE THE BUILDING CODE.
THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BUILDING AREA CODE.
IT IS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
AND, YES, I THINK THERE IS A BIG ISSUE AND SHOULD BE LOOKING AT HOW TO ENFORCE OUR -- WHAT DO WE NEED TO CHANGE NOW SHORTLY TO CHANGE THAT. AND I THINK THAT IS WORTHY
GOAL. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER: THAT'S FINE THAT YOU AGREE WE HAVE A PROBLEM.
BUT JUST TO REMIND YOU THAT THE CITY ENGINEER DOESN'T SEE THAT AS A MAJOR ISSUE IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
SO UNTIL WE GET THERE IN STAFFING AND BUDGET YEAR, I ASSUME THAT THEY WILL DO WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO.
>> I DO THINK IT IS A SERIOUS ISSUE BECAUSE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT INSPECTORS ARE REQUIRED TO DO THE BUILDING CODE. IF YOU LOOK AT HOW ANSWER INSPECTIONS THEY DO A DAY, IT'S SCARY.
I DO THINK WE NEED SOMEBODY THAT IS MORE ADAPT -- ADEPT AT THE LDC AND KNOW WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR.
I CAN LOOK AT THE DUNE PROTECTION IN ENOUGH AS A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER, BUT IT IS LIKE SOIL EROSION CONTROL.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT TASK FOR A BUILDING INSPECTOR TO DO. A COMBINATION OF SEVERAL THINGS. IF THEY ARE OUT THERE AND THEY NOTICE IT, THEY CAN SAY SOMETHING AND CALL ATTENTION TO IT. BUT THAT IS NOT THEIR PRIMARY GOAL AS THE CITY ATTORNEY DESCRIBED.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: COMMISSIONER STURGESS.
>>DAVID STURGES: THANK YOU, MAYOR.
WITH THIS KIND OF FALL IN. WE DO HAVE AN ARBORIST.
ISN'T THAT UNDER THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
DON'T WE CURRENTLY HAVE AN ARBORIST?
>> CORRECT. >>DAVID STURGES: CAN'T THAT ARBORIST BE TRAINED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.
ISN'T THEY ON THE PLANNING SIDE.
ISN'T THAT A GOOD PERSON. THEY ARE OUT IN THE FIELD.
THEY INSPECT TREES. INSPECT THE TREES THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE REMOVED. THEY CAN INSPECT THE DUNES -- OR THE STRUCTURE ON THE DUNES, JUST ONE LITTLE FACET -- ONE
LITTLE NOTCH -- >> CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN
>> ONE I DON'T LIKE TO READ -- FOLLOWING UP ON THIS BECAUSE WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT THIS IS IMPORTANT AND THE POINT IS WELL MAIDS. WHO EN FORCES THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO PLEASE RELAY TO THE CITY MANAGER AND UNTIL HIS RETURN, IF YOU WILL WORK ON WHAT STAFF
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RECOMMENDS. HOW DO WE ENFORCE, AND WHO SPECIFICALLY ENFORCES THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE ON STAFF.SO WHO -- WHO WOULD YOU RECOMMEND, WHAT WOULD THAT JOB DESCRIPTION BE. AND HOW WILL IT BE FUNDED.
AND PLEASE BRING THAT BACK TO THE NEXT WORKSHOP.
>> ABSOLUTELY. >> SO WE CAN HAVE THIS ON OUR
AGENDA FOR THE SECOND MEETING. >> THE 16TH?
>> YES, SIR. >> GOOD WITH EVERYONE?
OKAY, ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS? >> JUST -- THE SECOND POINT IS IN THE FUTURE AS WE LOOK -- WHAT MORE, IF ANYTHING, CAN WE TO DO FURTHER PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT.
>> ABSOLUTELY, YES. >> THAT IS A LONG-TERM THING.
>> YES, SIR. THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE PLAN. GREAT, THANK YOU.
>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH: ALL RI RIGHT, IF NOTHING ELSE ON THE WORKSHOP AGENDA. ARE THERE ANY OTHER TOPICS THAT ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO RAISE? SEEING NONE. WE WILL BE ADJOURNED UNTIL 6:00
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