Aug 03, 2021 Regular Meeting

>> COMMISSIONER STURGISS. >> YES.

>> OH. >> HOW QUICKLY THEY FORGET.

>> HE'S BEEN MAYOR FOR A LONG TIME.

I DO APOLOGIZE. >> THAT'S OKAY.

THAT'S ALL RIGHT. YES.

>> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT, SO WE ARE ON

[6.11 YOUTH ADVISORY COMMITTEE AMENDING RESOLUTION 2021101]

RESOLUTION 2021-101. >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I MOVE TO APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION GIVEN THAT THE NUMBER

5 IS AMENDED TO BE SEVEN. >> YOU'RE MAKING A MOTION WITH

AN AMENDMENT? >> YES.

>> FROM 5 TO 7? >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> I SECOND IT. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

MADAME CLERK, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> COMMISSIONER STURGISS. >> YES.

>> THAT MOTION PASSED 5-0. ALL RIGHT.

[7.1 NONPROFIT GRANT FUNDING ]

ITEM SEVEN. RESOLUTION 7.1, NONPROFIT GRANT FUNDING. CAN I GET A MOTION? HANG ON A SECOND. I WOULD PROPOSE SINCE WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT NUMBERS THAT SO THE TOTAL FIGURE IS $12,000, THE TOTAL FUNDING FIGURE. SO IF WE TAKE COUNCIL ON AGEING

FIRST. >> I MOVE TO FUND COUNCIL ON

AGEING $50,000. >> SECOND.

>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ON $50,000.

ANY DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONER ROSS, YOUR LIGHT IS ON. VICE MAYOR.

>> I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED. I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE AT $100,000. I WILL POINT OUT IF YOU ALL REMEMBER WHEN A CONSULTANT GOT UP HERE ON THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ON HOW THEY WERE GOING TO SET UP THIS FABULOUS SITE AND THERE'S ALL OF THIS MONEY AVAILABLE FOR NON-PROFITS THAT THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD BE FAIR AND NOT GIVE HALF OF IT TO ONE AGENCY WHEN WE HAVE OTHER AGENCIES THAT

DO JUST AS MUCH. >> WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER ON THIS.

AND I'M SORRY, LET'S HAVE HER ADDRESS US, PLEASE.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. LET ME TAKE OFF MY MASK.

GOOD EVENING, MY NAME IS JANICE ANCHORMAN WITH THE NASSAU COUNTY COUNCIL ON AGING. FIRST OF ALL THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO WITH SUPPORTING SENIORS AND A VULNERABLE POPULATION.

YOU HELPED US SO MUCH AND WE WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE 93,000 MEALS WHICH WAS A RECORD. I COME BEFORE YOU TODAY TO HUMBLY ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT TO THE REQUEST OF $50,000 TO HELP TAKE CARE OF OUR SENIOR POPULATION.

SENIORS HELPED TO BUILD THIS COMMUNITY, TAXPAYERS WHO WORK TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE TOURISM INDUSTRY AND THEY MADE THEIR MARK AND THEY PAID THEIR WAY AND NOW THEY NEED US.

JUST AROUND THE CORNER ON 1ST STREET WE BUILT THE WHEELCHAIR RAMP AS WE HAVE ALL AROUND THE CITY AND THE COUNTY, AND ONLY YESTERDAY, JUST YESTERDAY WE PUT IN AN AC UNIT IN THE WINDOW FOR

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A SENIOR ON 5TH STREET BECAUSE SHE WAS GOING TO HAVE A HEATSTROKE IF WE DIDN'T. I USE YOUR DOLLARS TO DO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. WE INSTALL NUMEROUS GRAB BARS FOR SENIORS IN THEIR HOMES SO THEY WON'T FALL AND BREAK THEIR HIP OR WORSE. OUR TEAM OF 38 HOME HEALTH GO THROUGH THE COMMUNITY AND TAKE CARE OF SENIORS.

YOUR DOLLARS AND THE COUNTY DOLLARS HELP ME DETERMINE IF I'M GOING TO GIVE A BATH TO A SENIOR ONCE A WEEK OR THREE TIMES A WEEK. YOU KNOW AND I KNOW THEY DESERVE BETTER. THE SENIORS NEED YOUR SUPPORT.

I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT MORE THAN 93% OF SENIORS NEED TO AGE IN PLACE AND I NEED YOU TO HELP US DO THAT.

OUR TELEPHONE REASSURANCE PROGRAM MADE DAILY OR WEEKLY CALLS TO 700 SENIORS WHO LIVED ALONE IN OUR COUNTY.

THEY LIVE ALONE, THEY HAVE NO ONE ELSE.

WE CALL THEM DAILY AND SOME WEEKLY BECAUSE THEY WERE AFRAID DURING THE PANDEMIC. AND WE'RE STILL CALLING THEM AND DOING THOSE CHECK INS. SO I'M ASKING YOU TO SUPPORT THE MOST VULNERABLE, THE MOST VULNERABLE POPULATION IN OUR COMMUNITY. AGAIN LIKE I SAID WHO HELPED BUILD THIS COMMUNITY. I'M HERE TO STAND WITH SENIORS AND FOR SENIORS TO ENSURE THEY LIVE LONG LIVES.

PLEASE HELP US SUPPORT SENIORS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. SO COMMISSIONERS THIS IS A DILEMMA. CITY MANAGER.

>> MR. MAYOR, CAN I APPROACH? YOU GAVE ME SOME NOTES EARLIER, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE NOTES BACK.

>> YEAH, YEAH. I DID NOTICE THAT.

SO THE CONUNDRUM THAT WE FACE IS WE HAVE NUMEROUS AGENCIES I BELIEVE THE TOTAL WAS 228,000 IN FUNDING.

BUT WE HAVE 100,000 AND VICE MAYOR YOU SAID THIS ASTUTELY WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS. THIS WHOLE PROCESS CREATES WINNERS AND LOSERS. IN MY MIND WHEN I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE FUNDING FORMULA, IT WAS HOW COULD I FUND AS MANY OF THESE AGENCIES WHO DO GOOD WORK FOR OUR COMMUNITY IN A FAIR AND EQUITABLE WAY? AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE TOP FOUR REQUESTS INCLUDING THE COUNCIL ON AGEING, THAT WOULD TAKE THE WHOLE $100,000. SO YOU'D HAVE FOUR BIG WINNERS AND YOU'D HAVE ABOUT A DOZEN LOSERS.

SO SOMEWHERE WE HAVE TO HAVE A FORMULA I RECOMMEND WHERE YOU CAN'T GIVE THEM EVERYTHING IN ORDER TO GIVE THE OTHERS SOMETHING. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I FELL ON THIS. SO WHILE THEY ASKED FOR $50,000, BELIEVE ME I SUPPORT YOU, YOU DO GREAT WORK, BUT I'VE GOT $100,000. WE'VE GOT $100,000 AND 14 AGENCIES SO HOW DO WE DO THIS? SO MY NUMBER WAS 40.

VICE MAYOR, WHAT WAS YOUR NUMBER?

>> 20. >> YOUR NUMBER WAS 20.

COMMISSIONERS, DID YOU HAVE A NUMBER IN MIND?

>> I'M WITH 50. >> COMMISSIONER STURGES?

>> I WANTED TO LOOK AT THE REQUEST, BUT I THINK 50 WOULD BE, I MEAN THE SENIORS IS WHERE I THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE A LINE IN THE SAND. AND UNFORTUNATELY IT'S VERY TOUGH WITH ALL OF THESE NON-PROFITS TO MAKE THAT LINE IN THE SAND. ANYWAYS.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> SO HERE'S MY LINE IN THE SAND, I THINK WE SHOULD FUND CRITICAL ESSENTIAL SERVICES FOR CITIZENS IN NEED AND THAT WE SHOULD GIVE $50,000 TO NASSAU COUNTY ON AGING BECAUSE THEY TAKE CARE OF OUR VULNERABLE ELDERLY, THEY FEED THEM, THEY GIVE THEM MEDICAL CARE, I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE $30,000 TO BARNABAS BECAUSE THEY PROVIDE FOOD TO PEOPLE AND MEDICAL SERVICES.

STARTING POINT PROVIDES MENTAL HEALTH CARE THAT'S NOWHERE ELSE SUPPORTED. AND MICAH'S PLACE $5,000 BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONE PLACE WHERE VULNERABLE WOMEN HAVE TO GO WHERE THEY HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO GO.

SO THAT'S, YOU'RE RIGHT IT'S ONLY $100,000.

WE DECIDED TO CUT $400,000 PLUS FROM THE BUDGET.

$100,000 IS WHAT WE DECIDED ON. AND MY LINE IN THE SAND IS TO PROVIDE CRITICAL ESSENTIAL SERVICES TO NEEDY PEOPLE.

I MEAN A LOT OF THESE, HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, GREAT ORGANIZATION, SUPPORT IT WHOLEHEARTEDLY, BUT THAT $10,000 GOES TO ONE FAMILY, THAT'S IT. IF YOU LOOK AT A LOT OF THESE ARE FOR YOUTH SERVICES. WE SPEND OVER $23,000 ON OUR CURRENT BUDGET FOR YOUTH SERVICES.

THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE IN OUR BUDGET WHERE WE'RE BUDGETING FOR

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CRITICAL SERVICES FOR THE TRULY NEEDY.

AND THAT'S WHY I'M GOING TO SUPPORT WHAT I PROPOSED AND I WILL VOTE FOR THE $50,000. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. VICE MAYOR.

>> WELL I THINK THOSE FOUR, THE FOUR THAT I MENTIONED ARE THE CRITICAL ONES. THE RATIO, I CAN ACCEPT WHAT WILL WE DO -- SO YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE, I THINK THAT BARNABAS DOES EXCELLENT WORK. AND I'M OUT WITH BARNABAS EVERY MONTH. I THINK THAT STARTING POINT IS CRITICAL ESPECIALLY IN THIS YEAR OF THE PANDEMIC.

SO MY RECOMMENDATIONS WERE MORE OF A BALANCE TO DISTRIBUTE AND I THINK MICAH'S PLACE ALSO IS IMPORTANT.

BUT TO GIVE HELP TO AN AGENCY WHEN WE HAVE 300 OTHER AGENCIES THAT WERE IN THAT, I WOULD RATHER SEE A MORE APPROPRIATE

BALANCE THERE. >> COMMISSIONER STURGES, SO WHAT WOULD BE YOUR BALANCE IF YOU WANT A MORE APPROPRIATE BALANCE,

WHAT WOULD BE YOUR BALANCE? >> 35 TO COUNCIL ON AGING, 35 TO BARNABAS, 25 TO STARTING POINT AND FIVE TO MICAH'S PLACE.

>> LET'S DEAL WITH COUNCIL ON AGING FIRST BECAUSE WE CAN SUBTRACT THAT FROM THE TOTAL AND THEN WORK OUR WAY DOWN.

SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO FUND COUNCIL ON AGING $50,000. LET'S VOTE.

>> COMMISSIONER STURGES. >> NO.

>> VICE MAYOR. >> NO.

>> SO THAT PASSED 3-2. >> I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO

FUND BARNABAS AT $30,000. >> SECOND.

>> MOTION AND A SECOND. DISCUSSION.

I HAVE THREE LIGHTS ON. VICE MAYOR.

COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> BARNABAS PROVIDES PEOPLE WITH NOWHERE ELSE TO GO. LITERALLY NOWHERE ELSE TO GO.

WHEN I WORK IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM I SEND PEOPLE THERE WHO HAVE NO HEALTH INSURANCE AND HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO GO.

THEY'RE A CRITICAL PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.

AND I THINK WE SHOULD FUND THEM. >> MR. BEAN.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I KNOW WE'RE DOING THESE ONE AT A TIME. BUT I AM ON BOARD WITH THE ROSS PLAN IN THIS CASE. I WILL BE VOTING WITH COMMISSIONER ROSS DOWN THE LINE ON THIS.

SO WE'LL SEE WHEN AS HE GOES, HE'S GOT THREE MORE THINGS COMING BUT I WILL BE VOTING WITH COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> IF YOU DO THIS, YOU WILL NOW HAVE $20,000 LEFT FOR STARTING POINT, MICAH'S PLACE, AMERICA'S YOUTH, BOYS AND GIRLS, RISE, FAMILY, THE RIGHT WHALE WHICH CAME FROM JACKSONVILLE.

THOSE ARE THE ONES. I JUST WANT TO MENTION THOSE.

>> ALL RIGHT, I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON BARNABAS FOR $30,000. PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> I MOVE FUNDS FOR STARTING $500.

I WORK IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM AND IT'S A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE HAVE TRUE MENTAL HEALTH EMERGENCIES, IT'S THE ONLY PLACE THEY HAVE TO GO. THEY DO A GREAT JOB IN THE

COMMUNITY AND I PROPOSE $15,000. >> I SECOND THAT.

>> MOTION AND A SECOND. DISCUSSION? THERE'S NO DISCUSSION. I HAVE 12.5 FOR STARTING POINT.

AND AGAIN MY REASONING WAS TRY TO GIVE THEM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BUT ALSO FUND 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 OTHERS REQUESTS AND I CAN TELL YOU WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET THERE.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET THERE. AND THAT'S SAD AND THIS IS A VERY FLAWED NOT VERY EQUITABLE SYSTEM AND IT NEEDS TO BE -- BECAUSE THIS IS QUITE FRANKLY A DISASTER.

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.

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>> I MOVE TO GIVE MICAH'S PLACE THE REMAINDER OF THE GRANT.

>> SECOND. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND.

>> I THINK NOW IS TIME THAT THIS PORTAL THAT IT SOMEHOW WE CAN CONSENSUS WISE MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESS THIS AND FOLLOW UP WITH OUR CONSULTANT AND WHERE IS THIS AND ASSIST PEOPLE, THESE GROUPS THAT DIDN'T GET MONEY IN GETTING MONEY FROM THE AMERICAN RESCUE FUND. BECAUSE THEY'LL NEVER KNOW UNLESS WE HELP THEM, THESE SMALL UNITS BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB WILL PROBABLY KNOW, BUT AMERICA'S YOUTH THEY'RE GOING TO NEED ASSISTANCE AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN PROVIDE THEM WITH ASSISTANCE.

>> THAT WAS MY POINT. WE TALKED ABOUT THE RAISED FUNDS, THE CARES ACT FUND. WE'RE NOT TALKING THAT MUCH MONEY. IT'S $5.5 MILLION.

>> IT WOULDN'T COME OUT OF OUR MONEY I DON'T THINK.

THIS IS A SEPARATE FUND. IT'S NOT GOING TO COME OUT OF

OUR 5.5. >> EVEN IF IT CAME OUT OF OUR MONEY, WHAT ARE WE TALKING? $80,000 OUT OF $5.5 MILLION, REALLY? WE CAN'T BE THAT GENEROUS? AND I KNOW WHAT THE CONSULTANT HAS ADVISED, BUT IT'S $5.5 MILLION AND WE'VE GOT 12 OTHER ORGANIZATIONS WITH NOT

THAT MUCH FUNDING REQUIRED. >> IT'S UP TO US TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO MOVE AND LOOK AT THAT THEN COME BACK.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> OKAY.

WE WENT THROUGH A PROCESS, WE HAD A BUDGET.

WE WERE GOING TO CUT 400 FROM THAT BUDGET.

WE HAVE THE 5.5 MILLION, BUT THE CONSULTANT THAT WE PAID SAID THAT THAT MONEY SHOULD GO TO INFRASTRUCTURE.

AND WE NEED INFRASTRUCTURE IN THIS CITY.

THEY HAVE ALTERNATIVES AND IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE THE GRANT DIRECTOR, NOT THE GRANT DIRECTOR, BUT THE CITY MANAGER AND STAFF HELP THESE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS GO TO THE PORTAL AND FIND THAT MONEY, I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. BUT IT'S A MATTER OF RESOURCES.

IT'S A SMALL CITY AND WE ARE HEAVILY FUNDING YOUTH AND OTHER THINGS IN OUR BUDGET. AND I DON'T LIKE SAYING NO, BUT

I THINK THAT THIS IS EQUITABLE. >> IT'S NOT PERFECT.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> MR. STURGES.

>> I SHOULD TURN MY LIGHT OFF. HE ANSWERED MY QUESTION.

>> NO MORE DISCUSSION, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> MAYOR LEDNOVICH. >> THAT'S THE $100,000, GUYS.

[7.2 RECONSIDERATION LEASE ATLANTIC SEAFOOD ]

ITEM 7.2 IS THE RECONSIDERATION OF THE LEASE FOR ATLANTIC SEAFOOD. BEFORE I HEAR A MOTION, THE BACKGROUND ON THE LEASE AS I SAID AT THE RECONSIDERATION WAS THAT WE SENT A LETTER IN APRIL THAT WE WERE GOING TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDING IN 180 DAYS BECAUSE OF THE WATERFRONT IMPROVEMENTS.

CITY MANAGER, CAN YOU PUT UP THE LAST PARAGRAPH ON THE LEASE? ALL RIGHT, IT'S A LONG PARAGRAPH.

IN THE EVENT IT CANNOT, I'M SORRY I CAN'T READ THAT, THE TENANT SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO ASK THE CITY COMMISSION TO DETERMINE THE BEST METHOD AND LOCATION FOR THE BOARDWALK

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EXTENSION. ESSENTIALLY IF WE DEMOLISH THE BUILDING, IF I MISSTATE THIS, PLEASE CORRECT ME, THAT SHE HAS THE RIGHT TO RENEGOTIATE THE LEASE, BUILD THE SAME FOOTPRINT OR RENEGOTIATE AN EXTENSION WITH A LARGER FOOTPRINT AND ADDITIONAL SERVICES. THIS ISN'T A MATTER OF WHETHER WE RENEGOTIATE, IT'S A MATTER OF WE EITHER RENEGOTIATE OR SHE HAS SIX YEARS LEFT ON HER LEASE, OR WE BUY HER OUT.

SO IT'S RIGHT HERE IN THE LEASE. WE EITHER RENEGOTIATE BECAUSE WE TOLD HER WE'RE DEMOING THE BUILDING.

>> LET ME CLARIFY THAT. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> WE GAVE WRITTEN NOTICE OF THE COMMENCEMENT OF THE WORK TO INSTALL THE NEW BOARDWALK, NOT 180 DAYS NOTICE THAT WE'RE GOING TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDING. SHE PLANS ON OPERATING THAT BUSINESS OR THAT BUILDING LONGER THAN 180 DAYS.

AS IT SAYS IN THE LEASE, LANDLORDS SHALL PROVIDE 180 DAYS WRITTEN NOTICE OF COMMENCEMENT OF THE WORK TO INSTALL THE NEW BOARDWALK. THAT'S WHAT WE PROVIDED.

>> THIS DOES KICK IN THIS REQUIREMENT, IS THAT CORRECT?

>> ALL WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE LEASE IS GIVE HER 180 DAYS NOTICE THAT WE'RE GOING TO START BUILDING THE BOARDWALK. THAT'S ALL IT SAYS.

NOTHING ABOUT DEMOLITION OF THE BUILDING.

>> THANK YOU. ANYWAY, I NEED A MOTION AND A

SECOND. >> I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE VOTE TO RENEGOTIATE -- I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE AUTHORIZE THE CITY ATTORNEY AND CITY MANAGER AND STAFF TO RENEGOTIATE A LEASE WITH ATLANTIC SEAFOOD THAT FOLLOWS THE PROPOSED TERMS FOR A NEW LEASE IN EXHIBIT A AND THAT EXHIBIT A BE MODIFIED TO READ LEASE LAND EQUALS TO 9,000 SQUARE FEET OR LESS AND IN NUMBER TWO TO SAY PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT WILL BE MARKET VALUE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RECENT MARKET STUDY THE CITY REQUIRED CURRENTLY AT $7.50 PER SQUARE FOOT PLUS AN ANNUAL CPI ADJUSTMENT AND PLUS A PERCENTAGE OF GROSS REVENUE WHICH IS TO BE NEGOTIATED. SO IT'S A TRIPLE AND THE REST OF THIS WOULD APPLY. SO THEY WOULD NEGOTIATE WHAT THEY WANT TO PUT THERE AND COME BACK WITH ALL OF THAT.

SO IT'S JUST TO NEGOTIATE. IT IS NOT SET IN STONE.

AND THEY COME BACK WITH WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS.

>> I HAVE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND?

>> I SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

SO NOW WE CAN HAVE SOME DISCUSSION.

>> DOES ANYBODY WANT TO SPEAK? >> I THINK WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO, BUT I'M

ASSUMING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO. >> MR. MAYOR, MAY I, JUST COME ON UP REAL QUICK. JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT COMMISSIONER ROSS'S MOTION IS AND WHAT WE HAVE ON THE AGENDA IS AUTHORIZATION TO NEGOTIATE A NEW LEASE THAT WOULD COME BACK HERE WITH ALL OF THE TERMS FOR THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW AND CONSIDER. AND THE GENERAL TERMS THAT WE WOULD INCLUDE IN THAT ARE WHAT COMMISSIONER ROSS SAID IN EXHIBIT A. THAT WAS MY MISTAKE, IT WAS NOT WORDED IN NUMBER ONE PROPERLY, IT TALKED ABOUT FOOTPRINT.

IT WAS ALWAYS MEANT TO BE LAND LEASED FROM THE CITY.

NO MORE THAN 9,000 SQUARE FEET. SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT AND THEN THE CPI ADJUSTMENT AND THE GROSS REVENUES WHICH WE HAVE NOT ADMITTEDLY DISCUSSED. SO WE DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO THEM OR NOT, BUT IF THAT'S PART OF A MOTION THEN THAT'S WHAT WE TAKE BACK TO THE NEGOTIATION TABLE.

>> COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

>> THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU THIS EVENING. I'VE BEEN A PROUD MEMBER OF THIS COMMUNITY SINCE 1973. DURING THAT TIME I'VE OWNED SEVERAL BUSINESSES INCLUDING ATLANTIC SEAFOOD, I'VE OWNED ATLANTIC SEAFOOD FOR 48 YEARS. I KNOW HOW IMPORTANT ZONING AND COMMUNITY PLANNING IS TO ASSURING THE HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE. I WAS ON THE COUNTY PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD FOR 12 YEARS. WE ALL HAVE THE SAME GOALS OF

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BALANCING TRADITION, INNOVATION, PROTECTION OF OUR NATURAL BEAUTY, AND A STRONG AND DIVERSE ECONOMY.

LAST MONTH WE BROUGHT BEFORE YOU THE REQUEST FOR ATLANTIC SEAFOOD TO UPDATE OUR LEASE. NOT PROCESS I WAS SURPRISED TO DISCOVER THAT THERE WAS NO MORE BROAD UNDERSTANDING OF THE BACKGROUND OF THIS REQUEST. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE THE HISTORY AND CONTEXT OF THIS REQUEST WITH YOU THIS EVENING. WITH THE PASSAGE OF THE FUNDING FOR THE COURTS AND SIDEWALK AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SOUTH END OF THE MARINA UP TO THE BOAT RAMP, THE PLAN CALLED FOR THE SIDEWALK TO BE BUILT IN AND THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF ATL ATLANTIC SEAFOOD BUILDING.

AT THIS POINT I WAS GIVEN INTEGRAL NOTICE THAT OUR BUILDING COULD BE DEMOLISHED IN 180 DAYS.

THE ATLANTIC SEAFOOD LEASE CLEARLY STIPULATES THAT I HAVE THE RIGHT TO BUILD A NEW FACILITY JUST SOUTH OF OUR CURRENT LOCATION. THE ATLANTIC SEAFOOD MANAGEMENT TEAM MET WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND THE CITY ATTORNEY TO DISCUSS NEXT STEPS INCLUDING THE NECESSARY UPDATE OF OUR LEASE IN LIGHT OF THE NEW SIDEWALK PLAN. THE PLAN STIPULATED THAT TWO STRUCTURES WOULD BE ERECTED SOUTH OF THE CURRENT ATLANTIC SEAFOOD BUILDING. WE WERE INFORMED ONE OF THOSE WOULD BE THE NEW LOCATION OF THE ATLANTIC SEAFOOD MARKET AND RESTAURANT. AS ADDITIONAL BACKGROUND IN 2019, THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH MET TO ASSESS THE APPRAISAL VALUE. AT THIS TIME WE HOPED TO EXTEND OUR LEASE AND INVESTED IN HIRING AN ARCHITECT TO DRAW UP PLANS TO ENHANCE AND MODERNIZE THE WATERFRONT WHILE REMAINING TRUE TO THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE IT IS KNOWN.

THE LEASE HAS BEEN UPDATED. WITH A DECLINE OF THE LOCAL SHRIMPING INDUSTRY OVER THE LAST 3 TO 4 DECADES, THE CENTRAL ROLE OF ATLANTIC SEAFOOD IN OUR COMMUNITY HAS SHIFTED.

SINCE 1985 OUR PLANS AND REQUESTS HAVE BEEN COMPRISED OF A MARKET AND RESTAURANT. AS WE BUILD FOR THE NEXT PHASE OF OUR FUTURE AS A BUSINESS AND A KEY COMPONENT OF A FINANCIALLY HEALTHY AND VIBRANT WATERFRONT SCENE, THIS COMBINATION WILL OPTIMIZE THE NEEDS OF OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR TOURIST INDUSTRY. MY REQUEST OF EACH OF YOU TODAY IS THAT YOU WORK WITH US AS WE INTEND TO WORK WITH YOU TO ASSURE THAT OUR WATERFRONT REMAINS VIABLE, LIVELY, AND AN INTEGRAL PART OF LIFE ON THIS ISLAND.

THANK YOU FOR BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR COMMUNITY AND THE BUSINESSES AND PEOPLE. THANK YOU.

>> I HAVE THREE OTHER SPEAKERS ON THIS TOPIC.

LET'S HEAR THEM. MR. ALAN MILLS.

>> ALAN MILLS, 1425 BROOM STREET.

BEFORE WE GET STARTED CAN I GET Y'ALL TO PULL UP EXHIBIT B, IT SHOWS THE MARINA AND THE PARKING AREA OF LOT 30 AND 29.

>> CAN WE PULL THAT UP, CITY MANAGER?

>> 29 AND 30 ARE RIGHT THERE. THERE YOU GO.

>> AS A MARINA BOARD MEMBER AND ALL, THIS IS A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO GENERATE MORE FUN TO THE MARINA.

ATLANTIC SEAFOOD RIGHT NOW HAS BEEN AROUND FOR LONGER THAN 48 YEARS. HEIDI PETERSON OWNED IT AND IT'S BEEN THERE SINCE I WAS A KID DOWNTOWN.

RIGHT NOW THEY'RE PAYING ABOUT $15,000 A YEAR.

IF YOU APPROVE ALL OF THIS, THEY'RE GOING TO GENERATE OVER $70,000 A YEAR. I GET KIND OF FUZZY UP HERE IN FRONT OF Y'ALL. AND IT'S ALREADY HISTORICALLY THERE. THEY'RE JUST MOVING IT SO THEY

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CAN CREATE A BETTER LANDSCAPE AND ALL.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE IMPEDING ON THE SUNSET BOARDWALK, IT WILL BE OFFSET. IF YOU WISH TO NOT ONLY WILL WE GENERATE $70,000 FROM THEM, THAT PARCEL HAS ALREADY BEEN SURVEYED THROUGH YOUR COMPANY THAT YOU CAN GET THAT TIMES THREE, THAT'S $200,000 A YEAR THAT WE CAN GENERATE FUNDS TO THE MARINA FUND THERE TO HELP PAY FOR THIS. A LOT OF PEOPLE COME TO THIS TOWN AND THEY BUY SEAFOOD FROM THEM.

I HAVE CLIENTS THAT COME IN AND THEY PLAN THEIR DINNERS TWICE A WEEK WHEN THEY'RE HERE FOR A FISH DINNER AND A SHRIMP DINNER.

IT'S BEEN AROUND, IT'S HISTORICAL.

AND I THINK THAT THIS IS JUST A STEPPINGSTONE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO CREATE MONEY BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET MUCH MORE MONEY OUT OF SLIPS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

THIS IS THE WAY TO GENERATE MONEY AND WE'RE NOT TAKING AWAY FROM THE PARK, BUT WE'RE HELPING OUT THE TAXPAYERS, THE DEBT, AND IT'S A WIN/WIN FOR NOT ONLY US, THE CITY AND IT KEEPS A GOOD THING GOING FOR THE CITY. I HOPE THAT Y'ALL APPROVE IT AND LET'S WORK ON OUR BUDGET AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD DIRECTION TO GO. THANK YOU.

YOU CAN SEE IT HERE. SO YOU'RE NOT TAKING AWAY.

THERE'S THE BUILDING. YOU COME RIGHT HERE.

IF YOU WANT TO MAKE $210,000 MORE A YEAR.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> EILEEN IRA.

IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

>> OKAY. EILEEN IRA.

208 SOUTH 7TH STREET, FERNANDINA.

SO THANK YOU TO EACH OF YOU FOR THE TIME YOU PUT IN TO MAKE THIS CITY BETTER. YOUR WORK IS REALLY A NECESSARY PART OF OUR CITY. BELIEVE ME I WOULDN'T DO IT FOR LOVE NOR MONEY. SO I'M GLAD Y'ALL ARE DOING IT.

A LONG TIME FRIEND OF MINE AND A CO-VOLUNTEER.

SHE GIVES TIRELESSLY TO SO MANY CAUSES.

WHEN THE FARMER'S MARKET OPENED BACK IN THE PARK SHE WAS THERE WITH HER TRUCK SELLING SEAFOOD OUT OF THE BACK OF IT.

WHEN THE CHAMBER MUSIC STARTED, SHE WAS FIRST UP DOING ALL THE HARDEST CHORES. SHE WAS PRESENT IN MICAH'S PLACE. AND SHE'S BEEN ON BOARDS FOR THE CITY AND THE COUNTY FOR PLANNING AND FOR IMPROVEMENTS.

SHE HAS TIRELESSLY WORKED FOR THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH.

I HAVE NEVER KNOWN HER TO DO A BAD THING.

EVERYTHING SHE'S DONE HAS BEEN GREAT.

AND NOW SHE HAS A REALLY GOOD IDEA TO BEGIN THE WATERFRONT IMPROVEMENT. IT'S A GREAT START.

THE WATERFRONT NEEDS BOTH COMMERCIAL, WORKING, AND GREEN SPACE TO SERVE OUR CITIZENS. NOW LOOK AROUND AT YOURSELVES.

DO YOU ACTIVELY PUT YOURSELVES OUT THERE? ANN HAS FOR 48 YEARS. OR ARE YOU JUST AN ARMCHAIR CRITIC? THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, MA'AM. MR. BOB VERTU.

>> WELCOME, SIR. >> GOOD EVENING.

I'M NEW TO FERNANDINA BEACH. I'VE LIVED HERE ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS. BUT I'VE BEEN TO ATLANTIC SEAFOOD AND BUY SEAFOOD FOR DINNER.

I WALK IN THERE ONCE A WEEK IF NOT TWICE A WEEK NOW.

AND MY CONCERN IS IF THE BUILDING IS DEMOLISHED WHICH I'M LED TO BELIEVE IS SCHEDULED FOR SEPTEMBER 13TH, I WONDER WHAT WOULD HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW OF SEPTEMBER 13TH AND WHEN A NEW BUILDING WOULD BE BUILT. SO I WOULD URGE CONSIDERATION BE GIVEN TO CONTINUING ON IN THE PRESENT LOCATION, THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. ANY OTHER SPEAKERS ON THE ATLANTIC SEAFOOD LEASE? OKAY SEEING NONE, VICE MAYOR, I SEE YOUR LIGHT IS ON. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, SIR.

>> THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO NEGOTIATE, THE NEGOTIATION, WHATEVER NEGOTIATION WOULD BE AND COME BACK.

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MY CONCERN IS WE'RE TAKING A 1250-FOOT LEASE EXPANDING IT TO 9,000 FEET. I THINK THAT'S UNREASONABLE.

AND THE REASON I THINK IT'S UNREASONABLE IS BECAUSE WE ARE NOT OPENING THIS TO THE PUBLIC. IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OMMERCIAL, WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THINGS THERE, THE PROPER PROCESSES TO PUT ON, NOT GRANT A SIGNIFICANT LARGER LEASE. I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM AT ALL WITH GIVING THEM THEIR 1250 FEET.

AND THERE IS DISCUSSION IN THIS AND IT WAS BROUGHT OVER OF SELLING THAT LEASE TO SOMEBODY ELSE.

SO THAT'S LIKE A GOOD OLD BOY, GOOD OLD GIRL OPERATION.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR THE CITY.

I THINK WE NEED TO BE TRANSPARENT, UP FRONT, AND GET

EVERYBODY THE OPPORTUNITY. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

>> BUT UNDERSTANDING THIS IS A NEGOTIATION.

>> CITY MANAGER, CAN YOU TELL US THE SIZE OF THE CURRENT PARCEL THAT THAT BUILDING OCCUPIES? JUST BALLPARK.

TO THE VICE MAYOR'S POINT, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT EXISTS NOW AND WHAT ON COMMISSIONER ROSS'S MOTION WE'RE GOING FROM WHAT TO

WHAT? >> IF YOU CONTINUE DISCUSSION --

>> LONG STORY SHORT IT'S AROUND 1500 SQUARE FEET.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS IS THAT THE BUILDING OR THE PARCEL?

>> IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU LOOK AT.

IT'S NOT CLEAR. I DIDN'T GET DOWN TO THAT DETAIL. IT'S A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE.

CAN I SPEAK HERE? >> YOU'RE SPEAKING, GO AHEAD.

>> WE'RE ASKING THEM TO NEGOTIATE.

I MEAN, THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK WITH A PLAN.

IF THEY COME BACK WITH SOME WONDERFUL THING, THAT'S FINE.

WE CAN ALWAYS CUT DOWN ON THE 9,000 SQUARE FEET.

I MEAN THE MOTION SAYS 9,000 OR LESS.

SO IT'S NOT, THAT'S THE MAXIMUM. SO THEY CAN COME BACK, THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK WITH A PLAN WHAT THEY WANT TO DO AND A LEASE. AND IT MAY BE 3,000 SQUARE FEET, IT MAY BE MORE. AND WE CAN ALWAYS LOOK AT THAT AND COME BACK AND NEGOTIATE, IT'S PART OF THE NEGOTIATION.

SO I'D GIVE THEM UP TO THAT. AS I MENTIONED BEFORE WHEN I'VE BEEN AT PARKS ACROSS THE WORLD, PART OF THIS 9,000 SQUARE FEET WILL BE OUTDOOR SEATING. THAT'S A NECESSITY NOW AND I THINK GOING FORWARD THAT WOULD BE A GREAT ADDITION.

I WOULD HAVE THE CITY MANAGER NEGOTIATE WITH THEM AND THE CITY ATTORNEY AND COME UP WITH THEIR ARCHITECT AND THEIR PLANS AND COME BACK TO THEM. WE CAN ALWAYS CUT IT DOWN ON THE AMOUNT OF FUNDS. IT IS A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE, IT'S APPROXIMATELY 1500 SQUARE FEET.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER BEAN.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'M OKAY WITH THIS NEGOTIATION.

WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE THIS SIMPLE FACT THAT THEY HAVE SIX YEARS LEFT ON THEIR LEASE. WE MUST HONOR THE LEASE AS IT STANDS BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY TO, IN FACT SIX YEARS IS BEYOND ALL OF OUR TERMS. IF WE ARE GOING TO WAIT UNTIL THIS LEASE EXPIRES, WE ALL MAY NOT BE UP HERE.

SO IF WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED TODAY --

>> I WON'T BE HERE. >> IF WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED TODAY, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A NEGOTIATION IN PLACE AND THAT WE SEE WHAT THE DEAL IS.

WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO START THIS PROCESS, I'M GOING TO BE VOTING YES TO START THE PROCESS, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF TALK RIGHT NOW ABOUT FINDING A PERFECTLY OPTIMIZED BEST DEAL.

WE CERTAINLY WOULD HAVE A VERY DIFFICULT TIME FINDING THE BEST DEAL. BUT IT'S EASY TO FIND THE RIGHT DEAL AND THAT'S ATLANTIC SEAFOOD.

>> THANK YOU. WOULD YOU PUT UP THE PARCEL, THE PROPOSED 9,000 SQUARE FOOT PARCEL, THE LOCATION OF IT SO THAT EVERYONE CAN HAVE AN IDEA OF THE EXACT LOCATION OF THE

PROPERTY. >> I'VE GOT SO MANY TABS OPEN.

>> I UNDERSTAND. TAKE YOUR TIME.

PROBABLY THE AERIAL WOULD BE THE BEST ONE.

>> LET ME CATCH UP ON THE AGENDA HERE.

>> WHILE HE'S DOING THAT, SO THE CRITICISM THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED IN EMAILS IS ONE, IF WE RENEGOTIATE A LEASE, WHY AREN'T WE JUST RENEGOTIATING FOR THE SAME SIZE?

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IN OTHER WORDS THE BUILDING REPLACEMENT.

THE OLD BUILDING IS GOING TO GO AWAY, WHY DON'T WE JUST NEGOTIATE A PARCEL FOR REPLACING THAT BUILDING.

THAT'S ONE QUESTION. THEN THE OTHER QUESTION IS WHY ARE WE QUADRUPLING IT. IT'S EVEN MORE THAN THAT.

AND IF WE'RE QUADRUPLING IT, WHY IS IT A 40 YEAR LEASE? I GET WHY IT'S A 40 YEAR LEASE, IN ORDER TO FINANCE DESTRUCTION.

THAT'S THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU CAN DO IT.

AND IF WE'RE QUADRUPLING THE PARCEL, TO THE VICE MAYOR'S POINT, WHY AREN'T WE PUTTING IT OUT? BECAUSE IT ISN'T A SIMPLE ONE FOR ONE REPLACEMENT.

IT'S A REPLACEMENT OF THE CURRENT BUSINESS AND IN ADDITION OF A NEW BUSINESS. SO THOSE ARE THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO WRESTLE WITH. COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> SO WE TALK ABOUT PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIPS.

THIS IS A PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP.

WE HAVE A PARTNER HERE WHO HAS A KNOWN TRACK RECORD.

WE HAVE A PARTNER HERE WHO IS READY, WILLING, AND ABLE, WE HAVE A PARTNER HERE WHO IS PLANNING TO PUT MONEY IN.

I'D LIKE TO HEAR AS PART OF THE NEGOTIATION WHAT THEY HAVE TO OFFER AND IF THEY CAN COME TO SIMPLY AN OPENING BID.

YOU ALREADY HAVE A LEASE HERE, WE NEED TO MOVE THE BUILDING, IT GOES A LITTLE BIT FARTHER SOUTH AND YOU CAN EVEN NEGOTIATE WHERE THE PARCEL IS GOING TO BE. BUT THIS IS A PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP THAT WE TALK ABOUT AD INFINITUM WITH A PILLAR THAT'S BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY FOR A LONG TIME.

SO I AGAIN WILL VOTE FOR THE BEGINNING OF THE NEGOTIATION AND

SEE WHAT COMES OF IT. >> AS FOR THE 40 YEAR LEASE, THEY'RE BUILDING THE BUILDING, THEY'RE PUTTING THEIR CASH IN.

THE ONLY THING THE CITY IS PUTTING IN IS THE LAND.

THEY'RE PUTTING IN THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT COSTS.

SO THAT'S WHY YOU NEED A 40 YEAR LEASE SO THEY CAN GET FINANCING.

>> I WOULD SAY BECAUSE WE'VE HAD NOW TWO MEETINGS, MAYBE THREE, WITH AN ARCHITECT, I WANT TO MAKE SURE TONIGHT THAT IF THIS MOTION PASSES, WE WILL BE BRINGING BACK NOT EXACTLY 9,000 SQUARE FEET BUT DARN CLOSE TO IT.

AND I KNOW THAT JUST BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEIR ARCHITECT AND EVERYTHING HAS BEEN ALREADY LOOKING AT.

AND IT'S COSTING THEM MONEY TO DO EVEN JUST CONCEPTUAL DRAWINGS. SO IF THE CITY COMMISSION, I WOULD LIKE TO GET A SENSE FROM YOU IF AT LEAST A MAJORITY OF YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO CONSIDER THE 9,000 SQUARE FEET ONLY BECAUSE IF YOU'RE ONLY WILLING TO CONSIDER 3,000, THEN I DON'T WANT TO PUT HER AND HER ARCHITECT THROUGH THAT.

BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO COST QUITE A BIT OF MONEY.

THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO WORK OUT PLANS SO THAT THEY CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT EXACTLY THEY NEED IN A LEASE.

AND JUST FROM OUR PRIOR DISCUSSIONS, IT'S EVERY BIT OF 9,000 SQUARE FEET OF LAND WHICH INCLUDES ALL OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SAID, THE OUTDOOR SEATING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO IF THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE ALL WILLING TO CONSIDER, LET US KNOW WHAT YOUR MAX IS AND THAT'S WHAT WE WILL WORK ON.

>> THANK YOU. HERE IS THE PROPOSED 9,000 SQUARE FEET. HERE'S THE ATLANTIC SEAFOOD BUILDING. HERE IS THE NEW PARCEL THAT IS

ROUGHLY -- >> VERY ROUGH.

USING THE COUNTY PROPERTY APPRAISER'S THING, THAT WAS VERY ROUGH APPROXIMATE CALCULATION OF 9,000 SQUARE FEET GROUND LEASE

WOULD LOOK LIKE. >> HOW MANY PARKING SPACES WOULD

WE LOSE HERE? >> IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S

APPROXIMATELY 6 TO 8. >> THANK YOU.

SO COMMISSIONER STURGES. >> OH THANK YOU, MAYOR.

WELL I'VE PONDERED OVER THIS WHOLE THING FOR DAYS AND WEEKS EVER SINCE WE FIND OUT. AND I'VE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY WHY IS THE CITY GETTING IN THE BUSINESS OF LEASING OR RENTING SPACE AND WHY IS THE CITY RENEGOTIATING WITH ANN AND ALL OF THE QUESTIONS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE GET AT THE SAME TIME.

BUT THE REALITY IS ANN IS A PILLAR OF OUR COMMUNITY AND I'M NOT SURE ABOUT 9,000 SQUARE FEET.

I UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAME UP WITH THIS BECAUSE THAT'S THE SIZE OF

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THE PARCEL. BUT IT COULD BE SUB PARCELLED OUT, BUT 9,000 SQUARE FEET BEING THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT THAT THEY COULD USE. I LITERALLY WAS ABOUT TO FLIP MY LIGHT ON WHEN TAMMY SAID WHAT'S THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT A LEASE BECAUSE IF WE GO TO NEGOTIATIONS WITH A LEASE AND WE'RE MAKING HER MOVE HER BUILDING, THE REALITY IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING TOWARDS GETTING A LEASE AND MAKING IT HAPPEN BECAUSE WE NEED TO PUT OUR SEAWALL UP. SO ULTIMATELY THAT'S OUR GOAL IS TO GET THE SEAWALL UP AND HAVE OUR WATERFRONT LOOK THE WAY THAT WE WANT IT TO LOOK. AND THERE IS A FINE LINE THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE COMMERCIAL AS WELL AS FREE SPACE AND ALL OF THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS IN A DOWNTOWN WATERFRONT PARK.

SO THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THE MAIN OBJECTIVE AND THE MAIN THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE.

AND TRULY THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO HAVE A CONSENSUS BEFORE WE, BECAUSE IT IS EXPENSIVE TO HAVE AN ARCHITECT AND IT IS A PROCEDURE THAT THEY'VE OBVIOUSLY BEEN WORKING ON FOR A WHILE BECAUSE THEY'VE ACTUALLY CAME UP WITH A CONCEPT PREVIOUSLY.

I MET WITH ANN AND THEY DISCUSSED ALL OF THESE THINGS AND THEY ALREADY HAD A CONCEPT AT ONE TIME IN DRAWINGS THAT WERE STARTED. I THINK WE NEED TO COME TO A CONSENSUS ON THAT AND VOTE ON WHETHER WE DETERMINED WE'RE GOING TO DO IT OR NOT DO IT. AND THE ONLY REASON WE WOULD NOT DO IT IS IF WE'RE GOING TO BACK UP AND DECIDE WHAT PERCENTAGE AND THIS IS SPEAKING TO LAND DOWN THERE, WHAT PERCENTAGE AND WHAT USES WE'RE GOING TO USE THIS AREA FOR ULTIMATELY.

ANYWAYS THANK YOU. >> VICE MAYOR.

>> WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE AWARDING BUSINESS AND CONTRACTS ON THE BASIS OF WHAT PEOPLE HAVE OFFERED TO THE COMMUNITY.

WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO IT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY.

IS THIS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY? WE HAVEN'T GOT A CLUE BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T GONE OUT AND SOLICITED OTHER PROPOSALS. 1200 FEET TO 9,000 FEET, THAT BUILDING ALL OF THAT AREA. THERE ARE MANY OTHER HIGHLY QUALIFIED MOTIVATED PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY WHO PROBABLY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN PROPOSING ON THAT PROPERTY.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVEN'T DONE. AND THAT'S WHAT BOTHERS ME.

I'VE SEEN THAT CONSISTENTLY THAT WE DON'T NEED TO BE DOING THAT.

WE HAVE A PROCEDURE, WE SHOULD GO OUT FOR AN RFP AND LET PEOPLE COME IN AND DO THAT. AND ATLANTIC SEAFOOD, WHATEVER LEASE EXTENSION THEY WANT FOR THEIR 1250 FEET OR 1200 FEET.

BUT WE'RE JUST MAKING A SUBJECTIVE DECISION AND WE'RE NOT GOING OUT PUBLICLY LIKE WE SHOULD.

AND I BELIEVE PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS.

>> THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> I HAVE SPENT THE LAST THREE YEARS BEATING THE BUSHES LOOKING FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND DO SOMETHING THERE.

AND I FOUND A COUPLE AND THEN THEY ALWAYS BACKED OUT.

SO WHEN YOU SAY THERE'S LOTS OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD LIKE TO DO THIS, WELL THIS IS ME BUT I CAST A PRETTY WIDE NET AND LOOKED PRETTY HARD TO FIND PEOPLE WHO WOULD COME AND DO SOMETHING HERE. THAT WAS PRIOR TO, MOSTLY DURING MY LAST COMMISSIONERSHIP. WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S READY, WILLING, AND ABLE, IT'S A PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP AND WE JUST KEEP PUSHING LET'S FIND SOMEBODY ELSE, THERE COULD BE SOMEBODY ELSE OUT THERE. THERE COULD BE A BETTER DEAL.

LET'S NOT LET PERFECT GET IN THE WAY OF GOOD.

LET'S SEE, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS SEE WHAT THEY COME BACK WITH AS THE MOTION READS UP TO 9,000 SQUARE FEET AND HAVE THEM COME BACK WITH A PLAN AND SEE IF WE AGREE WITH IT.

AND IF WE DON'T, THAT'S FINE. IF WE DO, THAT'S FINE TOO.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. COMMISSIONER BEAN.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO REITERATE TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE NOT PROVING ANYTHING TONIGHT.

WHAT WE'RE PROAPPROVING IS TO T A LOOK, SEE WHAT'S HERE.

I DO WANT TO TAP ALL OF THE ROOTS ON THIS.

I'M CURIOUS IF WE GO, WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS IF WE GO OUT TO RFP FOR THIS, WOULD ALL OF THE OTHER APPLICANTS INCLUDE IN THEIR PROPOSAL, THEY MUST BUY OUT THE CURRENT LEASEHOLDER? BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE PART OF IT.

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THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS HERE AND THAT'S WHY I'M IN FAVOR OF WORKING WITH THE INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS SIX YEARS LEFT OVER THE CITY. AND I WANT TO WORK WITH OUR COMMUNITY. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR AND AGAIN WE'RE NOT PROVING ANYTHING, WE'RE JUST SEEING WHAT'S OUT THERE. AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SEE.

THAT'S WHY I'M GOING TO VOTE YES BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE NEXT STEP AND WHAT THEY COME BACK WITH.

>> VICE MAYOR. >> I RECOGNIZE THAT CHIP HAS BEEN OUT LOOKING AND TALKING TO PEOPLE.

BUT CHIP IS NOT AN RFP. >> THAT'S TRUE.

>> WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, THE CITY ATTORNEY IS ASKING US TO -- AN RFP YOU EXTEND IT TO 1250 OR WE CAN UNREASONABLY WITHHOLD WHATEVER. AND THEY EXTEND THEIR LEASE, THEY DO WHAT THEY WANT. AND THE REST OF THAT PROPERTY WE PUT AN RFP OUT FOR THAT PROPERTY WHAT YOU WANT TO DEVELOP.

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BUYING OUT THEIR LEASE.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT PROCEDURAL WISE OF WHAT I BELIEVE THE APPROPRIATE WAY FOR GOVERNMENT TO MAKE ACQUISITIONS AND PURCHASES. OBVIOUSLY I'LL PROBABLY VOTE NO

ON THIS. >> CITY MANAGER.

>> I JUST WANT TO BRING ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT ALL CITY STAFF IS ASKING FOR IS PERMISSION TO COMPLY WITH THE LEASE AS WRITTEN. THE LEASE AS WRITTEN SAYS THAT IN ADDITION TO THE EXPANSION OF THE CITY BOARDWALK CAN ASK FOR ADDITIONAL LAND AND SHE CAN ASK FOR ADDITIONAL SERVICES.

THAT'S WHAT SHE'S DONE AND THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING.

WE ARE IN COMPLYING WITH THE CURRENT LEASE WHICH IS A LEGAL AGREEMENT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, COMPLY WITH THE LEASE AS IT WAS APPROVED BACK IN 1997 I BELIEVE.

>> VICE MAYOR? >> I'M GOOD.

>> OKAY. >> I HAVE A QUESTION UNLESS YOU

HAD SOMETHING TO SAY? >> I'M NEVER AT A LOSS FOR

WORDS. >> I KNOW, THAT'S WHY I CALLED

THE QUESTION. >> THANK YOU.

SO I UNDERSTAND EACH POINT THAT'S BEING MADE.

AND SO HAVING READ THAT LAST PARAGRAPH IN THE LEASE, AT THE VERY MINIMUM WE HAVE TO PROVIDE HER WITH THE SAME SPACE THAT THAT BUILDING NOW OCCUPIES. SO PROVIDE HER THE SPACE TO REBUILD ATLANTIC SEAFOOD AND THEN INCLUDE HER IN THIS OTHER PARCEL. THIS PARCEL IS NOT UP FOR RFP.

IT'S NOT AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.

SO WHAT WE WOULD BE DOING IS SHE COULD REPLACE THAT BUILDING ON PART OF THE PARCEL AND THE REST OF THE PARCEL SHE CAN BID IT ALONG WITH EVERYBODY ELSE. THE PLAN IS IT'S A SEAFOOD SHOP AND A RESTAURANT. THAT'S THE PLAN.

THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. THAT WOULD SATISFY BOTH REQUIREMENTS. BUT IT GIVES HER THE ABILITY, YES, MA'AM. WHY DON'T YOU COME ON UP AND ADDRESS US. SAY YOUR NAME AGAIN, PLEASE.

>> ANN KUNROD. >> THE PLAN ALWAYS INCORPORATED ANOTHER ELEMENT WHICH WAS THE RESTAURANT BECAUSE ATLANTIC SEAFOOD CANNOT SUPPORT A NEW BUILDING.

>> THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS? YOU KNOW THE NEW ATLANTIC

SEAFOOD -- >> WE'RE OUT OF BUSINESS.

>> THE SEAFOOD SHOP WILL NOT SUPPORT THE LEASE?

>> IT WILL NOT SUPPORT A BRAND NEW BUILDING.

>> GOT IT. AND THAT'S WHY WE COUPLED IT WITH WHAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE A COMPATIBLE THING WHERE WE COULD SELL OUR SEAFOOD AS WE USUALLY DO, HAVE OUR BAIT FOR OUR CHARTER FISHERMEN AND ALL OF THE FISHERMEN AND WE THEN COULD HAVE THE COOKED SEAFOOD. WE PLANNED THIS WITH OUTSIDE SEATING, A LONG WALK WITH, WE PLANNED IT NOT ONLY WITH THAT BUT TAKEOUT WHERE PEOPLE COULD GET SOMETHING AND TAKE IT ALONG AND EAT IT ALONG OUR BOARDWALK. AND WE HAD A ROOFTOP VISION IN IT SO THAT YOU'D REALLY HAVE A GREAT VIEW.

SO THAT ALL OF THE CITIZENS COULD USE IT.

IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BRING PEOPLE DOWN TO ENJOY OUR WATERFRONT. NOT JUST THE SUNSET, BUT GIVE

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THEM SOMETHING TO DO AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES A LIVELY, VIABLE

WORKING WATERFRONT. >> YES, MA'AM.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. WITHOUT ANY OTHER COMMENT WE WILL CALL THE VOTE. AND MADAME CLERK, IF YOU WOULD

DO THAT, PLEASE. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> NO. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH.

>> YES. >> AND THAT PASSES 4-1.

THAT'S JUST A RENEGOTIATION AND YOU WILL COME BACK TO US ONCE YOU HAVE THAT HAMMERED OUT AND WE HAVE A PROPOSAL.

[7.3 CITY TREE COMMITTEE FINAL REPORT ]

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT ITEM 7.3, THE CITY

TREE COMMITTEE FINAL REPORT. >> I MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> I MOVE TO APPROVE IF YOU WOULD ACCEPT AN AMENDMENT THAT

YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU. >> LET ME FIND IT.

IT'S IN ALL OF THE PAPERS I HAVE IN HERE SOMEWHERE, SO I CAN FOLLOW WITH YOU. I HAVE IT.

THANK YOU, SIR. >> THE CITY COMMISSION INSTEAD OF SAYING HEREBY ADOPT SAYS REVIEWS AND ACCEPTS THE TREE COMMITTEE FINAL REPORT ATTACHED AS EXHIBIT A.

>> I ACCEPT THAT AMENDMENT. >> I'LL SECOND IT.

>> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION?

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> I HAVE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I HAD REVIEW AND ACCEPT IS ONE OF THE CITY GOALS IS 5% IN FIVE YEARS. SO THIS IS CHANGING IT FROM 5% TO 15 YEARS AND I WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE CONSIDERED, PERHAPS FIVE YEARS WAS A LITTLE ROBUST. I THINK 15 YEARS IS PUSHING IT OUT TOO FAR. AND THE SECOND THING I HAVE CONCERN WITH IS THAT IN THE BUDGET THERE'S A $15,000 FOR A SPADE AND A TREE AUGER THAT I THINK THE CITY DOESN'T REALLY NEED TO HAVE THAT. BASICALLY WHAT THAT IS, YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS, IT GOES ON A TRACTOR AND IT COMES DOWN AND IT'S GOING INTO THE GROUND. AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE USED TO TRANSPLANT TREES, THERE ARE COMMERCIAL PEOPLE THAT DO THAT ALL THE TIME. LET THEM HAVE THE EQUIPMENT.

I DON'T SEE ANY REASON FOR THE CITY TO HAVE THAT.

OTHER THAN THAT, I READ THE REPORT, I AGREE WITH MOST OF IT.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER THOSE MODIFICATIONS.

BUT THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE IN THE MOTION.

>> SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR STATEMENT.

SO COMMISSIONER ROSS, YOU'RE MAKING THAT AS AN AMENDMENT AS

WELL? >> NO, JUST POINTING IT OUT THAT WE REVIEWED AND ACCEPTED IT. AS TIME GOES ON, OUR VISION, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CHANGE OUR VISION TO SOMETHING ELSE.

SO THAT'S WHY I JUST CHANGED IT TO REVIEW AND ACCEPT AND THAT

CAN BE TAKEN UP AT A LATER TIME. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

COMMISSIONER STURGES. >> THAT WAS MY QUESTION TO YOU, CHIP. ARE YOU SAYING YOU WANT IT TO

BE, WHAT YEAR ARE YOU SAYING? >> I'M NOT SAYING, I THINK IT NEEDS FURTHER DISCUSSION AND LOOKING AT.

I WOULD BE CLOSER TO TEN YEARS. I'LL BE HONEST, FIVE YEARS AND 5% GAIN, I DREAMED IT UP ONE MORNING.

I MEAN THIS WAS A LONG TIME AGO AND I JUST KIND OF PULLED IT OUT OF THE SKY. SO THEY'VE DONE A REALLY NICE JOB AT LOOKING AT WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS OF THAT WAS FAR MORE THAN I DID ORIGINALLY. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT, BUT I ALSO THINK THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THE BUDGET, IT'S A BUDGETARY

THING. >> THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT I NOTICED IN THAT RECORD AND I WANTED TO ASK THEM BUT IT LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE WRAPPING IT UP SO I FIGURED I WOULD BRING IT UP LATELY. ONE OF THEM IS IT'S $263 A TREE, COMES OUT TO HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.

>> THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. >> THE BIG ISSUE IS THE SPACE TO PUT ALL OF THESE TREES. I SAW THE AREAS THEY HAD UP THERE AND I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS TREE REPORT AFTER THEY'VE LEFT, THEY'RE NOT HERE ANYMORE.

BUT THE REALITY IS I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO FIT THAT MANY TREES IN THAT AREA. EVEN THE AREAS THAT THEY SHOWED.

SO I DON'T THINK IT'S A REALITY, I THINK THAT THE 15 YEARS THEY NEED TO DIAL IT BACK AND THAT WAS ONE THING.

SO THE TWO THINGS THAT CAUGHT MY EYE WAS THE COST AND THEN THE TIME. AND WE COULD COME UP WITH A HYBRID AND SAY BASICALLY IT'S GOING TO TAKE 8 OR 9 YEARS AND WE'RE GOING TO SHOOT FOR LESS TREES BECAUSE THE REALITY IS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO FIT THAT MANY TREES UNLESS YOU GO OUT THERE AND GO THROUGH THE AIRPORT AND PLANT TREES.

ANYWAYS, THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO BRING UP.

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>> ANYBODY ELSE? >> I THOUGHT IT WAS WELL DONE.

I THOUGHT THE ACTION PLAN WAS WELL DONE.

MY ONLY CONCERN WAS, AND I KNOW YOU'RE WORKING WITH THE DATA THAT WAS AVAILABLE. SO THE 2019 AERIAL THAT'S A YEAR AND A HALF GONE, HOW MANY TREES HAVE WE LOST SINCE THEN? AND THE PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING IS WE CAN'T KEEP PACE OF THE TREE LOSS. SO WHEN COMMISSIONER ROSS IS RIGHT, WHEN WE SET THE GOAL IT WAS 5% BACK THEN.

WE'RE PROBABLY AT 7% NOW. WHO KNOWS.

BUT ANYWAY, IT NEEDS TO BE DONE. COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> I WANT TO PUT OUT, WE GOT A NICE PART ON THE MORTALITY FOR TREES. THE BIGGEST MORTALITY FOR TREES

IN THE CITY IS THE CHAINSAW. >> ALL RIGHT.

WITH THAT WE WILL CALL THE VOTE. >> COMMISSIONER BEAN.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> YES. >> THAT PASSES 5-0.

[7.4 CONSERVATION AREA MANAGEMENT PLANS]

7.4 CONSERVATION MANAGEMENT PLANS.

>> THIS EVENING THE DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND CONSERVATION IS ASKING YOU TO REVIEW AND ACCEPT I BELIEVE IS HOW IT'S TERMED THE CONSERVATION AREA MANAGEMENT PLANS FOR THREE PROPERTIES THAT HAD RECENTLY BEEN ACQUIRED BY THE CITY IN THE YEARS 2019 AND 2020. WE ARE STILL WORKING ON A FOURTH MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR YOUR REVIEW. TO DATE WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH REZONING AND REASSIGNING NEW LAND USE OF CONSERVATION TO THESE PROPERTIES.

THE PLANS THEMSELVES ARE VERY MINIMAL IN TERMS OF SUPPORT, REVIEW, AND MONITORING THE PRIMARY ACTIVITIES TO ENSURE THE ACTIVITIES OUT THERE AS WELL AS MAINTENANCE.

I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT ON THE EPISCOPAL PROPERTY, THERE WAS AN OVERSIGHT AND A LACK OF INFORMATION REALLY BEING PROVIDED ABOUT IF HISTORY AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT PROPERTY OF THE PROMINENCE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING AS WE MOVE FORWARD I WOULD LIKE TO GET RELIABLE INFORMATION ADDED INTO THAT REPORT FOR A FUTURE UPDATE.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> I MOVE TO APPROVE WITH THE FOLLOWING AMENDMENT THAT SECTION ONE READ THE CITY COMMISSION HAS REVIEWED AND ACCEPTS THE TREE COMMITTEE FINAL REPORT ATTACHED AS -- INSTEAD OF ADOPTS AS REVIEWED AND ACCEPTS.

>> I SECOND. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? VICE MAYOR.

>> THESE MANAGEMENT PLANS I BELIEVE WERE DUE 60 DAYS AFTER WE ACQUIRED THESE PROPERTIES WHICH HAS BEEN A LONG TIME.

SO WE NEED TO REMEMBER WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE AND WE HAVE TO

COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE. >> AND TO ADDRESS THE POINT, WE HAD AS THE DEPARTMENT COMPLETED THE REVIEWS AND MANAGEMENT PLANS, WE DID NOT HOWEVER BRING THEM FORWARD FOR THE COMMISSION'S CONSIDERATION. BUT IN LIGHT OF MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S FULL TRANSPARENCY ABOUT OUR DOCUMENTATION AND WE ARE DOING IT AS A COMMUNITY TO ADDRESS THAT REQUIREMENT, WE WANTED TO BRING THAT FORWARD FOR YOUR ATTENTION.

>> OKAY. THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD IN READING THE PLAN WAS THAT IT TALKED ABOUT NATURE TRAILS ON SOME OF THE PROPERTIES. WOULD THOSE NEED TO BE APPROVED

BY THE COMMISSION? >> I THINK YES, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS IMPERVIOUS OF COURSE IT WILL CUT THROUGH ANY ADDITIONAL TRAILS, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE WOULD

PRESENT FORMALLY IN THE FUTURE. >> MY PREFERENCE IS TO KEEP THEM AS NATURAL AS POSSIBLE. COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> NOW THAT WE'RE DIVING INTO THE WEEDS, IT ALSO SAYS ON THE PLAN FOR PHEASANT LANE, ROUTINE UNDERBRUSH REMOVAL, IF YOU WANT WILDLIFE, YOU NEED TO HAVE THE UNDERBRUSH, SO I WOULD SEE IF YOU COULD LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE CAREFULLY.

>> I KNOW THAT PREVIOUSLY THE PRIOR OWNER HAD DONE SOME UNDERBRUSHING ACTIVITIES AND WE ARE SEEING A LOT OF THAT RETURN AT THIS POINT. FOR PURPOSES OF ACCESS INTO THE PROPERTY WE MAY WANT TO LOOK AT SOME SPECIFIC AREAS TO ALLOW FOR PEOPLE TO GO OUT THERE AND VIEW IT.

>> OKAY. >> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? MADAME CLERK, WOULD YOU CALL THE VOTE, PLEASE.

>> THAT ITEM PASSED 5-0. COMMISSIONERS, WOULD YOU LIKE A

BREAK? >> I'M FINE GOING.

>> I'M JUST ASKING BECAUSE I JUST NOTICED THE TIME.

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IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS. >> I COULD FOR FIVE MINUTES.

>> FIVE MINUTE BREAK. >> ALL RIGHT.

WE WILL TAKE A RECESS FOR FIVE MINUTES.

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>>> WE ARE BACK IN SESSION. SO WE'RE ON ITEM 7.5, SOLE

[7.5 SOLE SOURCE VENDOR APPROVAL ]

SOURCE VENDOR APPROVAL, AMELIA ISLAND MUSEUM OF HISTORY.

>>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THE CITY RECEIVED A GRANT FROM THE STATE TO PUT A HISTORICAL DISPLAY, THERE'S NO MATCH TO THAT GRANT SO THIS IS STRAIGHT $50,000 FROM THE STATE AND THE CITY HAS WORKED WITH THE MUSEUM OF HISTORY AND CHARGED THEM WITH PREPARING AND MAKING THIS DISPLAY.

SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL. >> MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> I SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, MADAME CLERK OR

VICE MAYOR. >> SO THE MUSEUM WILL BE WORKING WITH THE THE COMMUNITY. COULD YOU TELL US PLEASE, WHAT

YOU'RE GOING TO DO. >> PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR

THE RECORD, PLEASE. >> SURE, I AM PHYLLIS DAVIS OWNER OF THE MUSEUM AND CITY RESIDENT.

WE WILL BE WORKING WITH THE COMMUNITY.

WE ALREADY HAD A FEW PRELIMINARY MEETINGS JUST KIND OF BECAUSE ONCE EVERYTHING GETS APPROVED, WE'VE GOT TO HIT THE GROUND RUNNING. SO ABSOLUTELY.

ABSOLUTELY, WE WOULD BE WORKING WITH THEM.

IN OUR ARCHIVES WE'VE ALREADY GOT ABOUT 20 ORAL INTERVIEWS FROM DIFFERENT MEMBERS OF THE TECH COMMUNITY AND WE'VE GOT OVER 140 DOCUMENTS AND ARTIFACTS SO ABSOLUTELY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> OKAY.

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR.

>> ALL RIGHT, ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? SEEING NONE, MADAME CLERK, WILL YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE?

>> PASSES 5-0. ITEM SIX, AMELIA ISLAND TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL LIAISON APPOINTMENT.

[7.6 AMELIA ISLAND TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL ]

>> THE NASSAU COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS HAS ASKED FOR PROVING VACANT POSITION ON THE AMELIA ISLAND TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL. IT WAS COMMISSIONER ROSS'S SEAT THAT HAS BEEN CALLED INTO QUESTION TO THE APPROVAL PROCESS. SO WE'RE ASKING YOU TO PASS A RESOLUTION APPOINTING A SECOND MEMBER TO THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL WHICH WOULD GO TO THE NASSAU COUNTY BOARD OF

COMMISSIONERS FOR REVIEW. >> I RECOMMEND THAT WE ASK COMMISSIONER ROSS BE REAPPOINTED.

>> I HAVE A MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND?

>> I'LL SECOND IT. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

DISCUSSIONS? COMMISSIONER BEAN.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO BRING UP SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED ON OUR VERY FIRST MEETING SINCE ME AND COMMISSIONER STURGES GOT ELECTED AND WE WERE SWORN IN AND I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT BACK UP, THAT ON THAT DAY IT WAS A LITTLE BIT WEIRD HOW WE WENT AND HAD AN NFL STYLE DRAFT, SO WE WENT AROUND AND GOT THE HUMANE SOCIETY. ALL RIGHT.

I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER ROSS ALSO GOT THE REGIONAL BOARD.

ONE OF THEM IS THE TDC. SO THERE WAS FIVE APPOINTMENTS

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AND WE WERE UNDER THE IMPRESSION AT THE TIME THAT COMMISSIONER STURGES GOT THE FIRST PICK WHEN IT CAME TO THE DIFFERENT CITY BOARDS. AND BECAUSE WE LATER SCRAPPED THOSE LIAISONS, COMMISSIONER STURGES ACCOUNT ONE COMMISSIONER OUT OF THE FIVE OF US THAT DID NOT HAVE A SEAT ON ANOTHER BOARD. FOR THAT REASON, I WOULD LIKE TO BRING THAT UP TONIGHT THAT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY AND I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER ROSS DOES AN EXCELLENT JOB ON THE TDC, BUT I BELIEVE HE ALREADY HAS ONE OTHER BOARD SEAT FROM OUR BOARD.

DIDN'T YOU GET -- >> I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IT IS.

>> AREN'T YOU ON THE REGIONAL COUNCIL OR IS THAT YOU?

>> THAT'S ME. >> THAT'S YOU.

>> NOT ME. I'M ON NOTHING EXCEPT THE TDC.

>> SOMEBODY GOT TWO, I WAS 90% SURE IT WAS YOU.

>> IT WASN'T ME. >> OKAY.

WELL I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT UP THAT COMMISSIONER STURGES IS

WITHOUT A BOARD SEAT. >> I'M GOING TO BRING UP --

>> WHAT WE ACTUALLY DID AT THE FIRST MEETING WAS THE COMMISSIONERS WERE ASKED BY SENIORITY WHO GOT WHAT BOARD AND I WAS FIRST AND I PICKED TDC AND CHIP PICKED THE TDC AND MIKE PICKED THE COUNCIL. SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT HAPPENED.

I THINK IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT FOR CONTINUITY AND WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE TDC WHICH I DON'T REALLY WANT TO GET INTO RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE GET OUR SECOND MEMBER ON THAT BOARD.

YOU'VE BEEN ON IT FOUR YEARS? >> THREE.

>> THREE. >> WELL SINCE I WAS FIRST

ELECTED. >> EVEN THAT --

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> SO THE REALITY IS THAT NO MATTER WHO WE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE POSITION AGAIN, BUT WHOEVER WE CHOOSE, IT'S STILL UP TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TO APPOINT AND THEY HAVE ACTIVELY SOLICITED RESPONSES. WE'LL JUST SEE HOW --

>> COMMISSIONER BEAN. >> I JUST WANT TO REQUEST SLIGHTLY MORE INFORMATION. WHY IS THIS BEING CALLED INTO QUESTION IF THAT MAKES SENSE? ONE OF OUR OPPONENTS WENT THROUGH AND THE OTHER ONE DID NOT.

IF I COULD HEAR THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION, WHY ARE WE VOTING

ON THIS? >> VICE MAYOR.

>> CHIP CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BUT I WANT TO SAY BEFORE I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THIS IS THE AMELIA ISLAND TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL. SO CHIP THEY'RE SOLICITING PEOPLE WHICH TO ME IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE FOR THE AMELIA

TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS, MY UNDERSTANDING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IS NOT ONLY WAS MY APPLICATION LOST, BUT OLIVIA HALBOT WAS LOST.

AND THEY'RE NOW RESOLICITING HER POSITION TOO.

SO SOMEHOW THE COUNTY DIDN'T GET THE MESSAGE.

>> COMMISSIONER STURGES. >> IF YOUR APPLICATION GOT LOST, IT MIGHT GET LOST AGAIN. SO MAYBE IT SHOULD HAVE A DIFFERENT NAME ON THE APPLICATION AND MAYBE IT MIGHT HAVE A CHANCE OF NOT GETTING LOST.

THAT'S JUST AN IDEA. I DON'T CARE.

I'D BE PROUD TO SERVE ON THE COMMITTEE IF THE BOARD WANTED ME TO. BUT IF NOT, IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMEBODY ON THE WEST SIDE IS GOING TO BE SERVING ON THE

COMMITTEE. >> CITY MANAGER.

>> JUST TO CLARIFY, INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET IS THE CORRESPONDENCE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY ADDRESSED TO THE MAYOR THAT SAYS THAT BASED UPON THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S RULING THAT THEY CAN -- I DON'T THINK ANYTHING WAS LOST.

I THINK THEY'VE HAD A REVISED INTERPRETATION OF HOW THE MUNICIPAL OFFICIALS WILL BE APPOINTED.

>> OKAY. >> SO PART OF ME SAYS WHY ARE WE VOTING ON THIS? WHY ARE WE FALLING INTO THEIR

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PLOY? COMMISSIONER ROSS IS ON THE BOARD. THEY ACCEPTED HIM.

IF THEY LOST HIS APPLICATION LET'S GIVE THEM THE APPLICATION.

IT DOESN'T REQUIRE US TO VOTE AGAIN.

WE ALREADY DID THAT WHEN WE RECEDED IN DECEMBER.

AND IF THEY WANT ANOTHER PERSON ON IT, LET THEM HAVE THE COURAGE TO REMOVE COMMISSIONER ROSS. LET THEM BE FORTHRIGHT AB IT INSTEAD OF A GAME WHERE IT'S ON OUR AGENDA.

HE IS A SITTING MEMBER OF THE TDC.

IF THEY LOST HIS APPLICATION, LET'S JUST PROVIDE THEM THE APPLICATION. I WON'T EVEN VOTE ON THIS, I SEE

IT FOR WHAT IT IS. >> CITY CLERK.

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. NASSAU COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE AN APPLICATION PROCESS FOR THE AMELIA ISLAND TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL AS IT RELATES TO COMMISSION LIAISON SEATS. SO WHEN THE CITY COMMISSION HAS THEIR ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING FOLLOWING EACH ELECTION AND YOU AMONGST YOURSELVES DETERMINE WHO WILL SERVE AS LIAISON TO THE TDC, THEN THAT INFORMATION IS PROVIDED TO THE NASSAU COUNTY MANAGER'S OFFICE BY MY OFFICE AND THE PAST PRACTICE IF THEY USE THE INFORMATION THAT I PROVIDED SUPPLEMENTED BY THE MEETING MINUTES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE APPOINTMENTS OF ELECTED

MUNICIPAL OFFICIALS. >> OKAY.

>> SO IN THIS INSTANCE, THEY DID RECEIVE THE VICE MAYOR'S INFORMATION AND THEY DID RECEIVE COMMISSIONER ROSS'S INFORMATION.

BUT ONLY VICE MAYOR KREGER'S INFORMATION WAS MOVED FORWARD WITH AT THAT POINT. IT WAS RECENTLY BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT DUE TO THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE AND ANOTHER ONE THAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, COMMISSIONER ROSS, THAT NASSAU COUNTY WANTS TO FORMALIZE THE ADOPTION PROCESS AND SO THEY'RE TRYING TO TIGHTEN UP THEIR PROCEDURE, IF YOU WILL.

IT'S NOT THAT THEY CONSIDER COMMISSIONER ROSS AN INVALID APPLICANT BECAUSE THERE IS NO APPLICATION FOR THEM TO DENY.

BUT THIS IS JUST THE RESOLUTION WILL SERVE TO FORMALIZE THE ADOPTION PROCESS. AND THIS IS WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO MOVING FORWARD HENCEFORTH. SO AT THE NEXT ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING, THINGS WILL LOOK DIFFERENT WHEN WE'RE APPOINTING A TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL LIAISON.

>> I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.

I'M OF A MIND, COMMISSIONER ROSS IS SITTING ON THAT BOARD.

SO THEY ACCEPT VICE MAYOR KREGER, BUT NOW THEY WANT TO CHERRY PICK AND MAKE COMMISSIONER ROSS GO THROUGH A HOOP AND HAVE US APPROVE IT. WE CAN SEND THEM THE MINUTES OF OUR APPROVAL AND IF THEY WANT TO GO BEYOND THAT, LET THEM DO IT.

THAT IS MY POSITION. I'M NOT VOTING ON THIS.

THIS IS POLITICAL GAINSMANSHIP. IT'S NOT PROCEDURE, AND IF IT IS PROCEDURE, IT'S VERY BAD PROCEDURE.

BECAUSE BOTH OF OUR CANDIDATES SHOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCEDURE. SO CITY ATTORNEY, YOU HAVE

SOMETHING TO SAY? >> I JUST HAD ANOTHER THOUGHT.

IF THAT'S THE CASE THAT THEY WANT TO FORMALIZE BY RESOLUTION WHO THE TWO APPOINTEES, THE TWO RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE, WE WOULD NEED TO ADD BOTH OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO A RESOLUTION.

>> THANK YOU. >> BUT NASSAU COUNTY IS NOT REQUESTING TWO RECOMMENDATIONS. THEY ARE ACKNOWLEDGING THAT VICE MAYOR KREGER IS ON THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL.

THEY ARE NOT ACKNOWLEDGING THAT COMMISSIONER ROSS IS.

SO THEY WOULD LIKE ONE RECOMMENDATION.

>> THANK YOU. AND THAT IN AND OF ITSELF TELLS YOU IT'S A FLAWED PROCESS. COMMISSIONER BEAN.

>> MR. MAYOR, I HAVE GONE THROUGH THE AGENDAS BACK TO DECEMBER 15TH TO LOOK AT WHAT BOARDS WE WERE PROVING ON THAT DAY. AND THERE ARE FOUR BOARDS AND ONE HAD TWO POSITIONS. SO THE TDC IS NUMBER ONE WITH

TWO POSITIONS. >> MR. KREGER.

>> SO VICE MAYOR KREGER. >> THAT WAS AFTER THAT.

>> I THINK IN THE CASE OF THE TDC I THINK CHIP'S TERM ACTUALLY EXPIRED. I BELIEVE THEY HAVE A TIME FRAME ON THE TERM. CHIP WAS ON THE ECONOMIC

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DEVELOPMENT BOARD AT THAT MEETING.

BUT LATER THEY SOLICITED ME BECAUSE HIS TIME EXPIRED.

>> BEFORE I TURN MY LIGHT OFF WHAT I WISH TO MAKE SURE IS THAT RIGHT NOW UNDER ITEM NINE, I BELIEVE THE COMMISSION BECAUSE IT WAS OUR VERY FIRST MEETING, AN ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING, I BELIEVE THERE WAS A MISTAKE WHERE WE HAVE FIVE BOARDS THAT WE CAN APPOINT SOMEONE TOO. THE TDC IS TWO OF THEM.

THERE IS THE HUMANE SOCIETY WHICH I'M ON AND I LOVE THE HUMANE SOCIETY. AND THEN THERE'S THE NASSAU COUNTY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD AND THE NORTHEAST FLORIDA REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL. THERE ARE FIVE SEATS AND RIGHT NOW I'M NOT SURE IS IT, IT'S YOU WHO IS ON THE NASSAU COUNTY

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BOARD? >> YEP.

>> EXCELLENT. THERE ARE FIVE SEATS AND COMMISSIONER STURGES DOES NOT HAVE ONE.

THERE ARE FIVE OF US AND I THINK ONE OF US HAS TWO.

I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO RECTIFY THAT AND PUT COMMISSIONER STURGES ON ONE OF THOSE BOARDS.

>> COMMISSIONER BEAN, YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN.

THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS ON COMMISSIONER ROSS.

WE CAN ADDRESS YOUR ISSUE AFTER WE TAKE CARE OF THIS PROCEDURALLY. OKAY.

VICE MAYOR, YOUR LIGHT IS ON. YOUR LIGHT IS OFF.

SO MY POSITION IS I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE ON THIS.

I THINK THIS IS POLITICAL GAINSMANSHIP AT ITS FINEST.

I DON'T EVEN THINK IT SHOULD BE ON THE AGENDA.

SO YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

SO PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER.

>> YES. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> I'M GOING TO ABSTAIN. >> OKAY.

[8.1 CODE AMENDMENT CHAPTER 2, SECTION 2122(A)(2) BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, COMMITTEES: APPOINTMENT, TERM OF OFFICE, AND FILLING VACANCIES.]

ITEM EIGHT, ORDINANCE, SECOND READING 8.1, CODE AMENDMENT

CHAPTER 2, SECTION 2-122A TWO. >> ORDINANCE 2021-20, AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES CHAPTER TWO, ARTICLE 3, BOARDS, COMMISSIONS, COMMITTEES, AMENDING SECTION 2-122 TO PROVIDE THAT BOARD, COMMISSION, AND COMMITTEE MEMBER APPOINTMENTS AND REAPPOINTMENTS BE ADMINISTERED SOLELY BY THE CITY COMMISSION PROVIDING FOR AN APPROPRIATE DATE.

>> THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK

ON THIS MATTER? >> RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL.

>> SECOND. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, MADAME CLERK,

PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> YES. >> THAT ITEM PASSES 5-0.

[8.2 FRANCHISE AMENDMENT FPUC ELECTRIC]

ITEM 8.1 FRANCHISE AMENDMENT FPUC ELECTRIC.

FRANCHISE AMENDMENT. >> YES, SIR.

IT'S JUST NORMALLY WE HAVE BOOKMARKED ALL OF THE BACK UP

INFORMATION. >> I UNDERSTAND.

TAKE YOUR TIME. >> TAMMY, YOU WANT A PAPER?

>> NOPE. I'VE GOT IT.

AND I CAN ALWAYS READ IT FROM THE AGENDA.

BUT YOU NEVER KNOW IF IT'S ACCURATE.

OKAY. COMMISSIONER ROSS, MAY I?

>> YES. >> ORDINANCE 2021-24 GRANTING AND RESTATING A FRANCHISE TO THE FLORIDA PUBLIC UTILITIES

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COMPANY, ITS ASSESSOR FOR THE OPERATION AND DISTRIBUTION AND/OR SALE OF ELECTRIC ENERGY AND FIXING THE TERMS, CONDITIONS, AND LIMITATIONS RELATIVE TO THE OPERATIONS OF ELECTRIC UTILITIES AND AMENDING ORDINANCE 96-4 AS RECOMMENDED BY 96-9 AS AMENDED BY ORDINANCE 03-5 AND 2013-13 AMENDING SECTION 15 TO PROVIDE THAT GRANTEE FLORIDA PUBLIC UTILITIES COMPANY WILL ANNEX THREE PARCELS OF PROPERTY CONTIGUOUS TO CITY LIMITS, AMENDING SECTION 22 TO PROVIDE FOR AT LEAST ONE PHYSICAL LOCATION IN THE CITY WHERE CUSTOMERS CAN PAY ELECTRIC BILLS IN PERSON PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. PLEASE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? AND I SEE NO MOVEMENT TO THE PODIUM. HEARING IS CLOSED.

>> MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.

>> A MOTION AND SECOND. ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, MADAME CLERK, WILL YOU CALL THE VOTE, PLEASE.

THE MOTION PASSED 5-0. ITEM 8.3 FRANCHISE AMENDMENT FPU

[8.3 FRANCHISE AMENDMENT FPUC GAS]

GAS. >> ORDINANCE 2021-25 AMENDING ORDINANCE 2011-26 TO MODIFY REQUIREMENT THAT FPUC MAINTAIN AN ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE IN THE CITY LIMITS AND ALLOWING FOR AUTHORIZED PAY AGENTS TO COLLECT NATURAL GAS PAYMENTS, PROVIDING THAT ALL OTHER PROVISIONS OF ORDINANCE 2011-26 REMAIN IN FULL FORCE AND EFFECT PROVIDING FOR EXECUTION BY FLORIDA PUBLIC UTILITIES COMPANY PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. PLEASE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

>> PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? DON'T SEE ANYONE COMING FORWARD.

PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. >> MOVE TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND. >> HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.

ANY DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, MADAME CLERK, WOULD

YOU PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.

ITEM NINE, BOARD APPOINTMENTS FERNANDINA BEACH YOUTH ADVISORY COMMITTEE, DIDN'T WE CHANGE THIS TO SEVEN?

[9.1 FERNANDINA BEACH YOUTH ADVISORY COMMITTEE ]

>> YES. THAT PASSES 5-0.

>> YES. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE FOLLOWING APPLICANTS, TY BOSTON, MADDO X BRYANT, ELLA JOHNS, ANDREW LASSERRE, TEAL LILLY, OLIVIA ROGERS, ELIZA VALENTINE.

>> MOVE TO -- SECOND. >> I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE STAGGERED TERMS. I THOUGHT THEY WERE INTENDED TO

BE STAGGERED TERMS. >> THEY ARE.

>> SO YOU'LL NEED TO APPOINT A COUPLE OF PEOPLE TO ONE YEAR TERMS AND A COUPLE OF PEOPLE TO TWO YEAR TERMS SO YOU CAN'T MAKE

IT A BLANKET APPOINT EVERYBODY. >> I DEFER TO COMMISSIONER BEAN

TO MAKE THAT DECISION. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ROSS.

I WILL IN TURN REFER TO THE COMMITTEE ITSELF TO DETERMINE THAT. THEY ARE NOW APPOINTED SO AT THE VERY FIRST MEETING THEY WILL MAKE THAT ONE OF THEIR ITEMS FOR DETERMINATION ON THE AGENDA. THE COMMITTEE ITSELF WILL DO IT IN THE FIRST MEETING. I WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WAITING THROUGH THIS MEETING.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR NEW COMMITTEE.

IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT. >> ONCE YOU MAKE THAT DETERMINATION, PLEASE NOTIFY THE CITY CLERK IN WRITING OF EACH PERSON'S TERM. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, MADAME CLERK, WHEN YOU'RE READY PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.