Jul 20, 2021 Workshop

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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>> CALL TO ORDER THE JULY 20, 2021, CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP.

WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> MAYOR LEDNOVICH.

>> HERE. >> COMMISSION CROSS, HERE.

>> STURGESS. >> HERE.

>> PLEASE PUT YOUR PHONE ON SILENT OR TURNED OFF WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. WE ARE UNDER COVID-19 GUIDELINES. I WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THE LATEST NUMBERS FROM THE COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT.

THE DAILY COVID RATE IN THE COUNTY IS NOW AT THE SAME LEVELS IT WAS LAST JUNE BEFORE THE VACCINE.

THE LATEST NUMBERS WERE AVERAGING 65 CASES A DAY.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO WEAR A MASK, PLEASE DO.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SOCIAL DISTANCE, PLEASE DO.

COMMISSIONER ROSS, OUR MEDICAL EXPERT.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADD TO THAT? >> I PREFER TO WAIT TO THE MAIN MEETING. THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT DURING A WORKSHOP. STAFF AND COMMISSIONERS PLEASE DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TO ME. WITH THAT, WE WILL GO TO

[3.1 NORTH END BEACH ACCESSES This item added to the agenda at the request of Vice Mayor Kreger.]

AGENDA BY THE VICE MAYOR. >> I WILL BE BRIEF.

AT THE NORTH END, YOU KNOW MOST OF NORTH END WELCOMES EXCEPT THE NEW ONES 8 AND 9 WERE BUILT YEARS AGO IN HOUSE.

THEY WERE BUILT OVER THE RIPRAP WHEN THE WATER CAME UP TO OCEAN BOULEVARD. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SEVEN NORTH, 9 NORTH AND 11 NORTH WHICH ARE TOTALLY NONFUNCTIONAL.

NOBODY USES THEM. WE HAD THE INCIDENT 7TH NORTH WHERE WE PUT THE FENCES IN AND THEY GOT RIPPED UP.

THEY ONLY GO UP AND DOWN. >> WHICH WALK OVER IS THIS?

>> WHICH ONE DID YOU PUT UP? >> 5.

>> I JUST GRABBED THE FIRST >> THIS IS FIVE.

>> THANK YOU. SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS -- THEY'RE JUST, EVERYBODY WALKS AROUND BECAUSE THAT GOES UP AND DOWN. DOESN'T DO ANYTHING.

IT DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEMS OF ELIMINATING THE GAP.

I DISCUSSED THIS WITH MAINTENANCE, I THINK MAINTENANCE AGREES AND CHARLIE HAS NO PROBLEMS WITH THE ENGINEER IS TO REMOVE THEM. THEY ARE A LIABILITY RISK.

THEY ARE DANGEROUS AND REMOVE THEM.

IF YOU CHECK WITH THE DEP AND HAVE IT LIKE IT IS NOW.

>> VICE MAYOR, WHAT IS IT DOING TO THE DUNE?

>> BY BYPASSING THE WALK OVER. >> IS IT CREATING A RUT?

>> THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. >> AND I THINK JEREMIAH SAYS IT'S ABOUT A $5,000 COST. IT WOULD ELIMINATE A LOT OF MAINTENANCE COST. I'M OUT THERE EVERY MORNING ALMOST. IT'S NOBODY USING IT EXCEPT FOR MAYBE THE SURFER AT 11:00 WHO GOES UP TO SEE WHAT THE SURF IS.

I THINK IT'S JUST A SMART MOVE MAINTENANCE WISE AND BEACH ACCESS WISE AND CONSISTENT WITH -- WE WOULD HAVE TO CHECK, I KNOW THE DP WOULD APPROVE IT. SO THAT'S IT.

>> OKAY. ANY COMMENTS

>> COMMISSIONER? >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

LYNN LEN, I -- LEN I AGREE WITH YOU TO AN EXTENT.

ARE THEY FALLING APART OR BECAUSE OF LACK OF USE YOU'RE SUGGESTING WE REMOVE THEM BECAUSE NOBODY IS USING THEM?

>> NOT USED BUT THEY'RE GOING TO NEED MAINTENANCE.

INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, I ATTACHED THE GILLETTE REPORT FROM 2019 AND IT DIDN'T HAVE THE PARTICULAR, IT DIDN'T HAVE THOSE NORTH END ONES ON THERE. CHARLIE HAS INSPECTED THEM ALL.

YOU KNOW ULTIMATELY, THEY ARE JUST GOING TO REQUIRE A LOT OF MAINTENANCE. AND THE LIABILITY, THEY ARE REAL

STEEP. >> BUT A LOT OF THESE ARE GOING TO REQUIRE MAINTENANCE. I'M NOT AGAINST MAINTENANCE.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO REMOVE THEM AND MAKE A FOOT TRAIL LIKE THE OTHER ONES. ANY ONES WE CAN REMOVE AND PUT A CARPET ON OR SOME SORT OF WAY TO GET ACROSS.

I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF THAT BECAUSE THAT'S LESS MAINTENANCE, IT'S LESS WEAR AND TEAR AND IT'S A LOT BETTER.

BUT HOW MANY OF THESE CAN WE DO THIS WITH?

>> WELL I THINK THE NORTH END IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN THE REST.

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16 IS IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE. IT'S WAY UP THERE AND THEY JUST REPAIRED IT. WHEN YOU MOVE TO SOUTH BEACH, THE BIG PROBLEM IS WHEN WE MOVE SOUTH OF SADLER, THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM IS. THAT'S A MAJOR PROBLEM LIKE ON THE NORTH END. WE HAVE A PETITION SIGNED BY 200 PEOPLE FOR THE SOUTH WALK OVERS. IT'S ANOTHER ISSUE BUT IT'S AN ISSUE THAT'S GOING TO COME UP. AND I THINK WE HAVE ONE IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, DALE, ONE LONG WALK OVER.

>> IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET, THERE'S JUST ONE WALK OVER AT 6

NORTH. >> SIX NORTH IS A 50-50.

>> RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, JUST WHAT I BELIEVE IS JUST A REALISTIC APPROACH TO ELIMINATING MAINTENANCE COSTS, HAS NO HARM TO THE BEACH AND

ELIMINATING FUTURE >> COMMISSIONER.

>> THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. YES, FROM AN EFFICIENCY STANDPOINT, THIS MAKES TOTAL SENSE.

IT ALREADY IS A FOOT PATH IN EFFECT AND WE DON'T WANT TO PAY MAINTENANCE COSTS ON SOMETHING WE DON'T USE.

MY QUESTION IS, I KNOW WE HAVE A $5,000 ROUGH ESTIMATE FOR HOW MUCH IT WOULD COST TO TAKE ONE DOWN.

IS THERE ANY ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS UPON WORKING ON THE DUNE? THAT'S THE QUESTION.

WOULD TAKING THIS OUT, WOULD WE HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE WE'RE WORKING WITH THE DUNE?

>> DEP, WE DID THIS, WE HAD DP BACK FOR 40 AND THIS DOESN'T EFFECT THE TURTLE NESTING. BUT, WE WOULD GO, WE WOULD GET

THE DEP APPROVAL FOR SURE. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> I'M AMBIVALENT ABOUT REMOVING THEM BECAUSE I THINK THEY ARE USED TO SOME DEGREE. I DON'T THINK THEY'RE HURTING ANYTHING. I THINK THE MORE BIGGER TAKE HME MESSAGE IS. IF WE'RE GOING TO BUILD MORE BEACH WALK OVERS, THEY SHOULD ALL HAVE RAMPS.

AND NOT STAIRS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS?

>> MR. STURGES, I DISAGREE WE NEED TO PUT A RAMP ON EVERY ONE.

THE ONE AT NORTH BEACH IS IN BAD SHAPE.

THE NORTH BEACH WHICH I GO THERE ALMOST WEEKLY.

EVERY WEEK I GO TO NORTH BEACH. SO IT'S IN BAD SHAPE.

BUT, I THINK SOME OF THESE THAT WE CAN REMOVE IS VERY ENVIRONMENTAL. THE ONLY THING YOU CAN'T DO IS TOUCH THE AREA ON THE OTHER SIDE.

UNTIL TURTLE SEASON IS OVER WITH.

YOU CAN'T DO ANY CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES OVER THERE.

ANYWAYS. I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA.

OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS?

>> MY ONLY QUESTION IS, SO IF YOU TAKE THIS OUT, HOW DO YOU PREVENT PEOPLE FROM WALKING ALL ACROSS HERE?

>> WELL, THEY'RE NOT GOING BECAUSE THE PATH IS THERE NOW.

THERE'S RIPRAP. >> THE PATH IS THERE, UNDERNEATH THE WALK OVER IS RIPRAP. THEY ARE GOING TO USE THE PATH

THEY USE NOW. >> YEAH.

BUT PEOPLE BEING PEOPLE OVER TIME, THIS WILL EXPAND.

>> OKAY. YOU CAN'T SAY YEAH.

>> YOU KNOW. >> PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE.

THEY DON'T SEE THIS THERE, THEY'RE GOING TO START TRAMPLING

ALL OVER THIS. >> IF YOU GO OUT THERE, THERE'S CONCRETE AND STAIRS IN THERE AND ALL KINDS OF BLOCKS.

THEY'RE GOING TO GO THE AREA OF LEAST RESISTANCE.

>> I DON'T DISAGREE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

SOMEBODY IS GOING TO DO IT. >> ALL RIGHT.

SO, IN TRYING TO GIVE THE CITY MANAGER SOME DIRECTION HERE, I DON'T SEE CONSENSUS ON DOING THIS.

I'M NOT HEARING CONSENSUS. VICE MAYOR, YOU WISH TO DO THIS.

I THINK COMMISSIONER BEAN, >> I WILL BACK UP THE VICE

MAYOR. >> COMMISSIONER STURGES, COMMISSIONER ROSS AND I ARE A LITTLE MORE DUBIOUS OF THIS.

SO, WE CAN'T TAKE ANY ACTION ON THIS.

BUT THAT'S -- YOU'RE KIND OF AT 3-2 CITY MANAGER.

>> WELL, SINCE THREE IS GREATER THAN TWO, I GET THE GENERAL DIRECTION THAT THIS IS AT $5,000, IT'S WITHIN MY SPENDING LEVEL. I WILL PREPARE TO HAVE THEM REMOVED BUT BEFORE WE ACTUALLY DO THE REMOVAL, I WILL MAKE SURE WE DISCUSSED WITH DEP AND MAKE SURE WE'RE REGULATIONS AND BEFORE THAT FIRST SHOVEL OR EQUIPMENT MOVES OUT THERE, I

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NOTHING WILL HAPPEN UNTIL YOU AT LEAST ADVISE ONE MORE

>> GREAT. THANK YOU, SIR.

>> ANY OTHER ELSE ON THIS VIRUS -- VICE MAYOR?

>> NO, IT'S GOOD. WE WILL HAVE TO ADDRESS ON THE SOUTH WHERE CHIP WANTS RAMP AND THE COST IS ABOUT $4.5 MILLION.

WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT >> YES, SIR.

THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT.

[3.2 BOND REFERENDUM This item is placed on the agenda at the request of Mayor Lednovich.]

THIS ITEM IS PLACED ON THE AGENDA BY MYSELF, MAYOR.

AND IF YOU CAN PUT THAT MATERIAL UP.

THAT WAS PROVIDED. AND MADAM CLERK, IF YOU COULD TURN THE LIGHT DOWN PLEASE. THANK YOU, MA'AM.

SO ON THIS, SO THE REASON I PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA, IS ONE, FOR MANY MEETINGS NOW, MR. ROSS HAS RIGHTLY SO ASKED US HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THINGS. AND THAT IS THE CORRECT QUESTION. HOW WILL WE PAY FOR THESE THINGS? AND WE RECEIVED OUR BUDGET BOOKS YESTERDAY, AND I BELIEVE WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE THE VOTERS NEED TO DECIDE HOW MUCH INVESTMENT THEY WANT TO PUT INTO THE CITY FACILITIES. AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS TIMELINE, THIS IS FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY.

OUR DEADLINE IS NEXT MAY. WE'RE INTO AUGUST.

SO WE HAVE TO DECIDE, IF WE WANT TO GET THIS ON THE NOVEMBER 2022 BALLOT, WE NEED TO HAVE OUR DUCKS IN ORDER AND IN A ROW BY MAY. SO WITH THAT PRESSING DEADLINE.

I GUESS THE FIRST QUESTION IS, WHO WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF PUTTING AN INFRASTRUCTURE BOND REFERENDUM ON THE BALLOT GIVEN THE FINANCIAL NEEDS OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE? LET ME START THERE. IS THAT COMMISSIONER ROSS? VICE MAYOR. VICE MAYOR.

KNOWING WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE NOW, AND IF YOU LOOK, I HAD THE FIRST BUDGET BOOK YESTERDAY AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND THE EXPOSURE FOR WHAT MIGHT BE THE NEW CITY HALL, THE SHORE LINE STABILIZATION IS IN THERE BUT THERE'S NO NUMBER IN THERE AND IT'S A BIG, BIG NUMBER.

REMEMBER THE INITIAL ESTIMATE WAS 19 TO $26 MILLION.

THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD THESE THINGS WITHOUT A BOND ISSUE REFERENDUM TO ALLOW PEOPLE IF THEY WANT TO DO THEM. THE BOTTOM LINE WE DON'T REALLY, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING BUT I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SHORE LINE STABILIZATION AND HAVE THAT ON THE AGENDA AND EFFECTIVELY LOOK AT THE OTHER THINGS, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY AND WE HAVE IT.

>> COMMISSIONER BEAN. >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I BELIEVE THIS CHOICE SHOULD BE WITH THE PEOPLE AS A BOND REFE REFERENDUM. PUT THE POWER WITH THE PEOPLE.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR WHAT PROJECT OR PROJECTS WE'RE USING THIS FOR. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE

IS CRYSTAL CLEAR. >> COMMISSIONER STURGES.

>> THANK YOU. I THINK BRADLEY TOOK MY WORDS.

WE WANT TO HONE IT DOWN AND BE PRECISE AND DETAILED WHAT WE SEND OUT TO THE VOTERS. INFRASTRUCTURE HAS BEEN NEG NEGL NEGLECTED.

I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER WAY THE MONEY IS COMING OUT WITHOUT.

SO IF WE PUT TO A VOTER REFERENDUM, WE SHOULD GET OUR

ANSWER. >> OKAY.

COMMISSIONER ROSS, DO YOU HAVE AND THOUGHTS?

I HAVE NO OPPOSITION. >> CITY MANAGER, CAN YOU GO TO THE BOTTOM THERE. SO TO COMMISSIONER BEAN'S POINT, THOSE ARE ITEMS THAT ARE CANDIDATES, THEY'RE NOT PARTICULAR ITEMS THAT I FULLY ENDORSE.

I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. SO HERE ARE THE TYPE OF THINGS THAT MIGHT GO ON A REFERENDUM. SO, DOWNTOWN INFRASTRUCTURE.

STORMWATER SIDEWALKS AND LIGHTING.

IN MY DISCUSSION MONDAY WITH THE CITY MANAGER, THIS IS

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JUST A SHOT IN THE DARK. >> THAT'S BALLPARK.

10 TO $15 MILLION FOR NUMBER ONE.

ALL RIGHT. I JUST READ THE SAILING REPORT ONCE AGAIN FOR ITEM 3.3. THE ESTIMATE OF A NEW CITY HALL IS $8.8 MILLION. $8.8 MILLION.

SO EITHER WE BUILD A NEW CITY HALL, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO RENOVATE THIS ONE BECAUSE OF THE CEILING REPORT OR WE RELOCATE THE PATH FOR ANOTHER BUILDING. OKAY.

SO 8, 4, 3, NOW YOU'RE UP $15 MILLION.

A NEW RECREATION CENTER. AND THE REASON I PUT THIS ON HERE IS BECAUSE MLK AND ATLANTIC REC HAVE REACHED THEIR LIFE CYCLE. THEY ARE OLD.

THEY ARE DETERIORATING. AND DO WE POUR GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD? AT LANTIC REC CENTER IS IN A FLOOD ZONE. A NEW REC CENTER BY $8 MILLION.

CONSERVATION, WE HAVE TOTALLY LOST SIGHT OF CONSERVATION.

PRIOR TO THE PANDEMIC, WE WERE GOING TO PUT A REFERENDUM ON THE BALLOT, COVID HIT US, THAT REFERENDUM WENT AWAY.

SO AS WE DISCUSSED AT OUR LAST MEETING ABOUT PRIVATE PROPERTY WITH WETLANDS, I THINK WE SAID THEY WERE ABOUT A DOZEN LOTS, FIGURE THAT'S AT LEAST A MILLION BUCKS TO PAY FOR THAT.

MAYBE MORE. >> MAYBE LESS.

OKAY. AND THEN AS THE VICE MAYOR SAID, RESILIENCY. THAT WAS GUESSTIMATED AT 19 TO

>> 26. >> RIGHT.

26 IN TOTAL. WE HAVE TO FUND THAT SOME WAY.

SO, THOSE ARE JUST SOME THOUGHTS I HAD.

I WOULD LIKE TO THROW IT OUT TO THE FOUR OF YOU WHAT OTHER ITEMS YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON HERE AND WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE CITY MANAGER IS PROPOSING THAT WE COME UP WITH A LIST.

COME UP WITH PROPOSED COSTS AND THEN WE CAN REVIEW AND NARROW THE LIST AS WE SEE FIT. WHAT ARE THE ABSOLUTE NEEDS AND I REMEMBER THE GENTLEMEN WHEN STOOD UP HERE DURING PUBLIC COMMENT AND TALKED ABOUT NEEDS AND WANTS.

SO WHAT ARE THE ABSOLUTE NEEDS AND NARROW THAT LIST DOWN AND NOW WE GET TO A BOND FIGURE. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE BOND FIGURE WOULD BE. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE COST TO A TAXPAYER WOULD BE. BUT I'M TRYING TO START THE CONVERSATION. SO, VICE MAYOR.

>> YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A FINE APPROACH.

YOU LOOK AND SEE WHAT YOU NEED. WHAT ACTUALLY IS MISSING IS I THINK ON THE 27TH OR 29TH WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THE BIDS FOR THE BUILDING ASSESSMENT. IS THAT WILL FIT INTO THE WHOLE THING WITH HOW WE DETERMINE IT. ORIGINALLY, I THOUGHT OUR BUILDING WOULD COME IN AT, THERE WOULDN'T BE LARGE COSTS BECAUSE THEY'RE REALLY NOT COMPLEX BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING, THAT SHOULD BE IN THERE TOO.

AND I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THERE'S MORE TO FERNANDINA THAN THE WATERFRONT AND DOWNTOWN. SO WE HAVE OTHER SIGNIFICANT AREAS. ATLANTIC CENTER IS INTERESTING AND WE WILL ADDRESS THAT THE VULNERABILITY IN THE FUTURE.

THE SIDEWALKS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, SIDEWALK DESERTS.

WE HAVE ALL THE OTHER THINGS. THEN TO LOOK AT PRETTY MUCH WHAT BRADLEY AND NEIGHBORS ARE SAYING.

LET'S BE IMPORTANT.

>> YES, SIR. >> SO I'M NOT ASKING FOR A DEFINITIVE LIST TODAY. I'M ASKING TO WORK ON THIS.

SO THAT AS WE MOVE IT ALONG. IF YOU COULD ALL INDIVIDUALLY BRAIN STORM AND COME UP WITH STUFF YOU WANT TO SEE ON THE LIST, THE MAYOR HAS HINTED AT. GET THAT LIST TO ME BY THE END OF THIS MONTH. BY THE END OF JULY.

THEN WHAT WE'LL DO ON THE AUGUST 20TH MEETING, WE WILL PRESENT THE ENTIRETY OF THE LIST.

SO EVERYTHING ALL FIVE OF YOU THINK ABOUT WILL GO ON THAT LIST. ON THE 20TH, WE WILL ASK YOU TO PRIORITIZE THAT LIST. AFTER YOU PRIORITIZE THE LIST,

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>> THE LIST WILL BE. >> THE LIST.

FOR YOU TO PRIORITIZE. WE WILL GIVE YOU THE WHOLE KIT AND CABOODEL. YOU HAVE TWO WEEKS TO START TO THINK ABOUT HOW YOU WANT TO PRIORITIZE IT AND AUGUST 20TH, WE WILL OFFICIALLY PRIORITIZE AND THE STAFF WILL WORK ON THE COST. COMMISSIONER BEAN.

>> THIS SOUNDS LIKE A FINE IDEA TO GET EVERYONE'S IDEAS OUT THERE. I WANT TO REITERATE TO THE GROUP, I WOULD NOT BE SATISFIED WITH A LONG LAUNDRY LIST OF PROJECTS TO SEND TO THE VOTERS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S SIMPLE AND CONCISE WITH A CLEAR DEFINITION OF WHAT THE VOTER APPROVED DEBT WILL BE USED FOR. I SEE FIVE GREAT BULLETS UP THERE. IF WE PUT ALL FIVE, THAT WILL CONFUSE PEOPLE. I DON'T WANT TO SPIN OUR WHEELS.

I WANT TO PRESENT THE VOTERS WITH SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE AND CLEAR CONCISE, ONE PROJECT. THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER STURGES. >> THANK YOU.

MAYOR. THERE'S A FEW THINGS ON THAT LIST THAT ARE IMPORTANT TOO AS WELL.

I CAN ADD THOSE LATER. ALSO THE COST.

ONCE YOU HONE THIS LIST DOWN, THEN WE'LL KNOW WHAT THE COST WILL BE ON THAT TAX STATEMENT. BECAUSE BASICALLY IT'S JUST ANOTHER LINE ITEM. SO, IF WE'RE GOING TO THE VOTERS AND HAVING THEM VOTE FOR IT, I THINK WE PICK THE TOP PRIORITIES OF WHAT WE NEED IN THERE AND TRY TO MINIMIZE THAT.

THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. >> OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. SO THIS WILL BE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS ON THE WORKSHOP AGENDA FOR AUGUST -- ISN'T IT THE 17TH.

>> 17TH, I'M SORRY. >> FIRST ONE IS THE THIRD.

>> I'M NOT SURE WHETHER WE PUT IT ON, IF YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE ON THOSE PRIORITIES. YOU TELL ME WHETHER YOU WANT ON A WORKSHOP OR AS A RESOLUTION TO SET THE PRIORITIES.

IT'S YOUR CHOICE. COMMISSIONERS.

>> I THINK WE GO AHEAD AND PUT IT ON THE REGULAR MEETING.

ONE REGULAR MEETING. >> COMMISSIONER BEAN.

>> I DON'T WANT TO PUT US IN A POSITION FOR A FINAL VOTE AND HAVE TO DELAY BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD THE DISCUSSION OF OUR PRIORITIES. ARE WE ABLE TO DURING THAT TIME WITH THE RESOLUTION NARROW THE LIST DOWN AND THEN IMMEDIATELY PASS THE LIST? IS THAT SOMETHING WE DO OR SHOULD WE TAKE, I WOULD RECOMMEND DO IT OVER A WORKSHOP

FOLLOWED BY ANOTHER RESOLUTION. >> VICE MAYOR.

>> I THINK A WORKSHOP. I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SUFFICIENT DATA PARTICULARLY BECAUSE OF THE BUILDING ASSESSMENT BECAUSE IF THE BIDS ARE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THEM BACK IN TIME, THAT MIGHT BE A CRITICAL NUMBER.

PARTICULARLY IF WE TALK LARGE FACILITIES.

ATLANTIC CENTER. I WOULD DO A WORKSHOP FIRST.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS, DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE?

>> NO STRONG PREFERENCE. >> ALL RIGHT.

COMMISSIONERS, I'M LEANING TOWARDS A TWO-TIER APPROACH HERE. ONE A WORKSHOP SO WE WORK ON THE LIST. THAT GIVES THE PUBLIC SOME TIME TO ONCE WE NARROW IT DOWN, TO DIGEST AND CONSIDER THE LIST AND THEN HAVE, FOLLOWED BY A CITY COMMISSION MEETING SAY A MONTH AFTER THAT WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN COMMENT ON IT.

BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO WANT THE PUBLIC'S INPUT ON THE PROJECTS THAT WE NARROWED IT DOWN. DOES THAT SOUND REASONABLE?

>> CITY MANAGER. SO TO SUMMARIZE, WE WILL SUBMIT OUR PROJECTS TO THE CITY MANAGER.

THOSE PROJECTS WILL THEN BE ON THE AUGUST 17TH WORKSHOP AGENDA.

WE WILL WORK ON IT THEN. I WOULD URGE THE COMMISSION NOT TO PUT ANY OTHER ITEMS ON THE WORKSHOP.

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DEVOTED TO BOND ISSUE ONLY. >> WELL, I HAVE ONE BUT I WILL

REMOVE IT. >> THANK YOU, SIR.

ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS? I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ELSE. SO ITEM 3.3 IS THE CITY HALL

[3.3 CITY HALL BUILDING ASSESSMENT This item added to the agenda at the request of Commissioner Ross.]

FLOOR. >> THE ARCHITECTS DID A ANALYSIS OF CITY HALL. I HAVE FIVE QUESTIONS AND WE CAN GO THROUGH THEM ONE AT A TIME. HAS THERE BEEN ADEQUATE TIME TO READ THE REPORT? DOES ANYBODY NEED MORE TIME?

>> NOPE. I WILL TAKE THAT AS A NO.

GOOD. NUMBER TWO, DOES STAFF OR ANY CITY COMMISSIONERS DISAGREE WITH ANY OF FINDINGS LISTED IN THE SPACE PROGRAM BEGINNING ON PAGE 5 OF THE REPORT? DOES ANYBODY DISAGREE THAT'S THE SPACE WE NEED?

>> MR. MAYOR. >> YES, SIR.

STAFF REVIEWED ALL FIGURES WHEN THE ARCHITECT WAS IN AND ATTEMPTED TO MAKE PROJECTIONS ON THE USE.

STAFF STANDS BY THE PROJECTIONS THAT ARE PRESENTED IN THE

REPORT. >> WHAT I'M ASKING IS, DO THE CITY COMMISSIONERS AGREE WITH THAT? COMMISSIONERS? VASE MAYOR.

>> -- VICE MAYOR. I AGREE AND THEY SPENT A LOT OF TIME HERE. THE STAFF GOES THROUGH THE RECOMMENDATIONS AS FAR AS SPACE REQUIREMENTS.

I CONCUR. COMMISSIONER BEAN, DO YOU HAVE A

COMMENT? >> I DON'T DISAGREE IT WOULD BE

A NICE TO HAVE SPACE TO WORK. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.

I HAVE THE DOCUMENT UP IN FRONT OF ME.

IF YOU WOULD REFERENCE ON YOUR QUESTIONS AND YOU DID ON THIS ONE. JUST TELL ME WHAT PAGE WE'RE ON AND I CAN GO TO THAT. THANK YOU, SIR.

>> ANYBODY ELSE HAVE, SO I'M GOING TO TAKE IT FROM WHAT I HEAR, NOBODY DISAGREES WITH THAT ASSESSMENT.

NEXT QUESTION IS DOES THE STAFF OR ANY OF THE CITY COMMISSIONERS DISAGREE WITH ANY OF THE KINDINGS LISTED IN THE ASSESSMENT OF THE EXISTING BUILDING AND SITE CONDITIONS BEGINNING ON PAGE 15 OF THE REPORT? IN OTHER WORDS, DO WE THINK WE NEED A SECOND OPINION OR ALL AGREE WITH WHAT THEY FOUND? THERE'S ANOTHER ENGINEERING REPORT OUT ON ANOTHER BUILDING WITH PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE WHAT IT SAID, SO THEY WANTED ANOTHER OPINION.

I THINK THE OPINION OF THESE PEOPLE IS APPROPRIATE AND I DON'T HAVE ANY DISAGREEMENT WITH IT.

I WAS WONDERING AND I TAKE IT THE CITY STAFF DOESN'T HAVE DISAGREEMENT WITH IT IN TALKING TO THE CITY MANAGER THTHIS MORNING. ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE DISAGREEMENT? VICE MAYOR.

>> THERE WAS VAGUENESS IN SOME AND COMMENTS RELATIVE TO TERMITE AND STRUCTURE. I THINK WE NEED TO DETERMINE IF A LONG WITH THE CURRENT SITUATION, TO FOLLOW UP AND FIND OUT IF THERE ARE ACTUALLY ANY STRUCTURAL DEFICIENCIES IN THIS BUILDING IMMEDIATELY WHICH WOULD PUT LIFE AT RISK.

AND I THINK THAT, IN OTHER WORDS, I BELIEVE THE ONLY LIFE SAFETY RECOMMENDATION THEY MADE WAS A SMALL ELECTRICAL ISSUE THIS WAS PRETTY INSIGNIFICANT COST WISE.

WE HAVE TO DO THAT CONSIDERING WHERE WE'RE AT.

IS THIS BUILDING, ARE THE STRUCTURAL, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO FALL DOWN. WE NEED TO FIND OUT.

>> WASN'T CITY MANAGER ONE OF FINDINGS IN THIS, THERE ISN'T A

FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEM. >> THERE ARE CODE ISSUES.

WHETHER STAIR WELLS, ACCESS POINTS, INGRESS, EGRESS, I AGREE WITH VICE MAYOR KREGER, THE LEVEL OF STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS WAS

NOT COMPLETE. >> THAT'S NOT WHAT I ASKED.

I ASKED ABOUT A FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEM.

>> SO THERE'S NO SPRINKLER SYSTEM.

HOW MANY TIMES HAS THIS ROOM BEEN PACKED? COMMISSIONER ROSS. APPARENTLY THERE'S DISAGREEMENT WITH THE REPORTS, HOW DO YOU WANT TO HANDLE THIS?

>> I WOULD GET SOMEONE IN HERE RIGHT AWAY.

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WE CAN'T AND THEN MOVE FROM THAT POINT.

I DON'T THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW IT'S NOT A BIG BUILDING.

I DON'T THINK IT'S A DIFFICULT THING.

THERE'S NOT THAT MANY SUPPORTING WALLS AND THINGS.

THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO. >> OKAY.

THAT'S -- THANK YOU. THE POINT IS, WHAT IS THE NATURE OF THIS REPORT, CHIP, THAT YOU'RE FOLLOWING INTO WITH THE REDESIGN. IS THIS A REDESIGN?

>> THIS IS A REPORT TO GIVE US THE STATUS OF WHAT THIS BUILDING IS AND WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO WITH IT.

BEFORE WE GO ON WITH WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO WITH IT, YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHAT YOU'VE GOT. THAT'S WHAT THIS REPORT WAS AND THAT'S WHAT IT WAS DONE FOR ORIGINALLY.

WE NOW HAVE IN OUR HANDS LIKE WE HAD OTHER REPORTS IN OUR HANDS.

INSTEAD OF IT COLLECTING DUST ON THE SHELF, WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN KNOWING IS WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THIS BUILDING? AND DO WE AGREE THAT THE BUILDING NEEDS HELP? SOME PEOPLE HAVE SAID THE BUILDING IS FINE.

I'M NOT ONE OF THEM. I HAVE A REPORT HERE IN FRONT OF

US. >> I AGREE THE BUILDING NEEDS MODIFICATION AND PROBABLY SOME REMODELING BUT ULTIMATELY, IT WE'RE MOVING TO A NEW CITY HALL IN THE NEAR FUTURE, THIS BUILDING WOULD BE REPURPOSED FOR SOMETHING ELSE.

>> THAT'S THE NEXT STEP. I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I MEAN, YOU'RE RIGHT. THAT WAS FOR ANOTHER MEETING.

WHAT TO DO FROM THERE. RIGHT NOW DO WE AGREE THE BUILDING HAS PROBLEMS AND IF SO, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTION IS.

DOES THE BUILDING HAVE PROBLEM THAT NEED FIXING?

DO WE AGREE WITH THAT? >> YES.

I AGREE TO THAT. COMMISSIONER BEAN.

YOU ASKED THE QUESTION. >> AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CITY VICE MAYOR KREGER HAS BROUGHT UP THE STRUCTURAL ISSUES.

SO EITHER THE CITY MANAGER CAN GO BACK TO SILLING AND BY THE NEXT MEETING SAY ARE THERE STRUCTURAL ISSUES THAT NEED TO

BE ADDRESSED. >> WELL, WE -- COMMISSIONER

BEAN. >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.

AT THIS TIME IN THIS MEETING, I AM NOT READY TO COMMIT TO SPENDING FUNDS TO BUILDING ANOTHER CITY HALL OR FIX CITY HALL. BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS AGREE TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW. SO I'M NOT READY TO AGREE TO BUILD ANOTHER CITY HALL BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT OUR CURRENT CITY HALL IS CURRENTLY WORKING. I WANT IT MAKE SURE OUR PRIORITIES ARE IN CHECK AND WE BITE OFF ONE THING AT A TIME WE CAN CHEW. ON TOP OF THAT, THERE'S OTHER PROPOSALS BEFORE WE BUILD A NEW CITY HALL.

THERE'S A LOT OF OPTIONS ON THE TABLE.

I'M STILL IN FAVOR OF ONE DAY POSSIBLY, THE POST OFFICE HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST IN TRADING BUILDINGS.

BEFORE WE GO OUT AND BUILD A NEW CITY HALL OR SPEND MONEY TO RENOVATE THIS ONE, I WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE THAT FURTHER AND SEE

IF WE CAN DO SUCH A THING. >> COMMISSIONER STURGES.

>> THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

OBVIOUSLY IT NEEDS TO BE WORKED ON AND WE CAN ASSESS IT.

SO I MEAN ULTIMATELY DIDN'T WE PUT OFF THE STUCCO, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, WE HAD A LINE ITEM WHERE WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO A STUCCO REPAIR OF $200,000 AND CHANGE.

EVEN THOUGH PEOPLE DON'T THINK THAT'S STRUCTURAL, IT IS STRUCTURAL TO SOME DEGREE. I THINK THAT OBVIOUSLY, IT IS FUNCTIONING NOW BUT, THE MAIN TWO THINGS AND MOST FIRE PEOPLE WILL TELL YOU, THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM AND THE STAIRS AND EGRESS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT. ASSESS IT BUT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT SPINNING ANOTHER REPORT VERSUS STAFF INVESTIGATING RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S MY OPINION. >> THIS WASN'T TO COMMIT TO DOING ANYTHING. ALL THIS WAS, WE HAVE A REPORT.

JUST LIKE WE HAD A REPORT ON ANOTHER BUILDING.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF CONTROVERSY WHETHER THAT REPORT WAS ACCURATE OR NOT. SO ALL I'M ASKING IS, DO WE AGREE THE REPORT IS ACCURATE AND AGREE WITH IT OR DO WE NOT? REAL SIMPLE. I MEAN YEAH, IT POINTS OUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF FILLINGS, WITH VICE MAYOR KREGER BROUGHT ABOUT THE FACT IT DIDN'T ADDRESS THE STRUCTURAL ISSUE.

MAYBE THAT NEEDS MORE ROUNDING OUT.

ONCE YOU HAVE THAT IN HAND, THEN YOU DECIDE WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A BUILDING THAT HAS ALL THESE PROBLEMS. THAT WAS IT.

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THE OPTIONS ARE AFTER THIS. DO WE AGREE THIS REPORT IS ACCURATE? REAL SIMPLE.

MR. BEAN. >> THANK YOU.

MR. MAYOR. IN THE REPORT IT DOES REFERENCE THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY. IT REFERENCES THE EXTERIOR WOOD AROUND THE SEALANTS OF OUR WINDOWS AND ADDRESSES BELOW THE AC ON OUR ROOF. IT ADVISES MODEST REPAIRS ARE NEEDED TO MAKE SURE WE MAINTAIN THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING. I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF CITY HALL.

WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO DO PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE ON OUR BUILDING. I CERTAINLY AGREE THAT THE REPORT HAS MERIT AND WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT AND LOOK AT THE CONTENTS. I DON'T WANT TO COMMIT TO ANY

LARGE SPENDING PURPOSES. >> NO INTENTION TO COMMIT TO ANYTHING EXCEPT DO YOU AGREE WITH THE REPORT.

THAT'S IT. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU DO.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS FROM MY CHAIR, FROM THE MAYOR'S CHAIR, CITY HALL NEEDS TO BE FIXED. AND THIS REPORT DETAIL IS IN DETAIL OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE FIXED.

THE MOST GLARING DEFICIENCIES ARE IN THE STUCCO, SUPPORT BEAMS, WINDOWS, AND THE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE A FIRE SPRINKLER SYSTEM AND AN OLD, PATCHED TOGETHER ELECTRICAL PIECES KNITTED TOGETHER, THAT'S A RECIPE FOR DISASTER. SO, IN MY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY MANAGER, I CONSIDER CITY HALL THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY BUILDING WISE IN THE CITY. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WORK HERE DAILY. WE HAVE A LOT OF VISITORS HERE DAILY. THIS BUILDING NEEDS TO BE FIXED.

AND THE SILLING REPORT IS ACCURATE, WE SHOULD FOLLOW IT.

WE HAVE OUR OWN CITY ENGINEER. I'M SURE THE CITY INITIAL REVIEWED AND WHAT IS VALID AND WHAT ISN'T VALID AND WHERE WE NEED A SECOND OPINION. THIS BUILDING NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?

>> SORT OF. I THINK SO WE'RE ALL AGREEING TO THAT. THE NEXT STEP, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO ABOUT THAT? THAT'S FOR ANOTHER DAY.

>> I BELIEVE WE WILL HAVE A BUDGET PRESENTATION FOLLOWING AND BUILDING DISCUSSIONS FOLLOWING THAT.

THAT'S WHERE IT WILL FIT. THEY WERE TWO OTHER QUESTIONS.

>> YES, SIR. THEY ARE BOTH, ONE OF THEM THE STAFF SENT AN E-MAIL OUT AND RESOLVED ALL THOSE ISSUES.

AND QUESTION NUMBER FOUR AND QUESTION FIVE, OF THE CITY MANAGER, TOMORROW, HURRICANE COMES THROUGH OR THE BUILDING BURNS DOWN, DO WE HAVE A BACKUP PLAN OF WHAT WE WOULD DO? IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE A GOOD PLAN.

>> RIGHT NOW CHIEF CHILLCOX IS REVIEWING THE PLAN.

IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, WE WOULD HAVE TO RELOCATE.

>> WHEN DO YOU EXPECT THAT REPORT?

>> IN THE NEXT 60 DAYS OR SO. >> JUST AS YOU SAY, TO SUMMARIZE, WE'RE GOING TO ASK TO HAVE THE CITY MANAGER LOOK AT THE STRUCTURAL ISSUE AND MAKE SURE TO --

>> CITY MANAGER HAS THE CITY ENGINEER REVIEW THE SILLING

REPORT. >> I BELIEVE HE HAS.

>> AND I WANT TO GO THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNEL HERE, AND COULD THE CITY ENGINEER COMMENT ON THE VALIDITY AND ACCURACY VALIDITY AND ACCURACY OF THE SILLING REPORT?

>> SURE. >> MR. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME

FOR THE RECORD. >> CHARLIE GEORGE.

YES, I DID REVIEW THE REPORT. I FOUND IT WAS COMPREHENSIVE.

I DIDN'T HAVE ISSUE WITH WHAT THEY DID OR DIDN'T SAY.

I ENDORSE THE REPORT. IT DOES NEED THINGS TO BE ADDRESSED. TERMITE ISSUES DON'T NECESSARILY MEAN STRUCTURAL ISSUES. YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO THAT KIND OF THING. BUILDINGS LIKE THIS ARE DIFFICULT TO DO WITHOUT DOING DESTRUCTIVE TESTING TO GET INTO

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>> THE ONE THING I NOTE ABSENT IN THE SILLING REPORT WAS THE

COST OF DOING ALL OF THIS. >> WELL, IT'S BECAUSE THEY BASICALLY LOOK AT IT FROM A 30,000 FOOT LEVEL.

IF WE ASKED THEM TO, OR STAFF COULD DO IT.

WE COULD COME UP WITH THE COST, PROBABLE COST LET ME PUT IT THAT WAY. AT THIS STAGE, THEY WERE LOOKING AT IDENTIFYING THE AREAS OF CONCERN.

>> MY QUESTION TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, DO WE WANT STAFF TO GIVE US THE NUMBER TO MAKE CITY HALL OPERATIONAL AND SAFE

TO MAKE A BUDGET DECISION? >> COMMISSIONER BEAN.

>> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'M NOT A CONSTRUCTION EXPERT BY ANY MEANS AND DO TRUST PROFESSIONALS.

WHAT WOULD THAT BE? I GUESS EXACTLY.

WHAT ARE WE ASKING CITY STAFF TO DO? FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, WE'RE OKAY IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

I'M ACTUALLY CURIOUS AS TO WHAT ARE WE ASKING STAFF TO QUOTE OUT

FOR US? >> LET'S START WITH A FIVE SPRINKLER SYSTEM. WE GO DOWN THE LIST OF IN NEED OF REPAIR, MODIFY. WE CREATE A PRELIMINARY CONSTRUCTION SCOPE OF WORK AND THEN ESTIMATE THAT.

WE MAY HAVE TO ASK OUTSIDE CONTRACTORS FOR BUDGET NUMBERS.

WE COULD GO DOWN THE LIST OF WHAT THEY SAY ARE IN NEED OF OF CONSIDERATION AND COME UP WITH THE NUMBERS.

>> THE STUCCO? WINDOWS.

>> INSTALLATION OF SPRINKLER SYSTEM.

ACCESS ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS. >> CORRECT.

>> NOW THAT ACCESSIBILITY STUFF, THAT GETS TO BE PRETTY COMPLICATED. THAT MAY JUST BE A SWAG.

THOSE KIND OF THINGS GET INVOLVED IN SECONDARY ISSUES, YOU KNOW RELATED TO ADJACENT STRUCTURES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

MAKES THAT A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED.

>> VICE MAYOR. >> BASICALLY, WITH WHAT THE ENGINEER IS SAYING, STRUCTURALLY WISE, IF WE BELIEVES THE STRUCTURE IS SOUND AND SAFE, I JUST LOOKED AT THE REPORT IT'S FINE. WE TAKE THE PROFESSIONAL'S DECISION AND IF YOU WANT TO MOVE ON AND PUT COST ON SPRINKLER SYSTEMS AND WHATEVER, THEY DID PUT COST ON ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS IN THERE. WE CAN STAFF OR I, WE WOULD DO THAT. WE LOOK AT THOSE COSTS AND WHERE WE MOVE IN THE FUTURE AND THAT'S THE NEXT MEETING.

SO. SPRINKLER SYSTEM IS GOING TO COST A BUCK OR TWO. COMMISSIONER STURGES.

THAT WAS MY COMMENT. ALL THESE THINGS YOU'RE RATTLING OFF FROM MY LITTLE BIT OF KNOWLEDGE OF 25 YEARS IN CONSTRUCTION, YOU'RE WELL OVER $700,000 TO A MILLION DOLLARS WITH A SPRINKLER SYSTEM AND STUCCO AND STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS. YOU'RE INTO A BIG TICKET ITEM.

IT MIGHT BE PRIORITIZING THE MOST LIFE SAFETY ISSUES AND OBVIOUSLY YOUR NOT GOING TO REBUILD THE STAIR CASE TO MAKE IT COMPLIANT WITH TODAY'S STANDARDS, IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT, WE'RE TALKING A FULL SCALE PROJECT.

TEAR IT DOWN. >> SPRINKLER SYSTEM AFTER THE FACT OF A BUILDING IS REALLY DIFFICULT.

>> IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE. THAT'S JUST MY $0.02.

I THINK YOU FIGURE THE PRIORITIES.

WHEN YOU LOOKED THROUGH THE REPORT.

OBVIOUSLY SOMEONE GOING UP THERE TO FIX THE WINDOW TRIM BECAUSE IT'S ROTTEN OR THE FASCIA IS NOT TOO EXPENSIVE.

THE PAINTING, STUCCO AND THE BIG TICKET ITEM IS THE SPRINKLER SYSTEM. I THINK LIFE SAFETY IS THE PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT ITEM IF WE GOVERNMENT TO USE THIS AS A GOVERNMENTAL BUILDING. OTHER THAN THAT, YOU

NECESSARY. >> THANK YOU.

SIR. COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> SO TO SUMMARIZE. >> YES, SIR.

WE'RE GOING TO ASK STAFF TO COME UP WITH A LIST OF THINGS THAT NEED ATTENTION. AND A OPINION OF PROBABLE COST.

HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THAT MIGHT TAKE?

>> UM-- >> CITY MANAGER IS RUSHING UP.

>> TRYING TO FIGURE OUT MY WORK SCHEDULE.

>> I WILL SEE INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET IS THE COST TO DO THE ARCHITECT ENGINEERING OF A NEW CITY HALL.

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THE DECISION HAS TO BE MADE AT WHAT POINT DO YOU CONTINUE TO PIECEMEAL REPAIRS TO THIS VERSUS REMEMBER, THIS BUILDING IS OVER 120 YEARS OLD. WE HAVE TECHNOLOGY ISSUES, WE HAVE THE ISSUES THAT ARE LISTED IN THE SILLING REPORT.

THAT WILL BECOME A BUDGET DECISION AND FROM THAT BUDGET DECISION, THEN WE CAN STAFF WILL TAKE YOUR DIRECTION ON HOW YOU DECIDE TO GO FORWARD WITH THE BUDGET.

>> YOU JUST OPENED A BIG.

>> THAT'S RIGHT. >> IT WAS ALREADY OPEN.

>> NO, IT'S IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET.

IT'S GOING TO BE ONE OF THE ELEPHANTS IN THE ROOM.

WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT NOW OR WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AT 6 O'CLOCK WHEN THE BUDGET IS PROPOSED ABOUT A NEW CITY HALL.

WHO IS IN FAVOR OF A CITY HALL AND WHO IS NOT.

I WOULD LEAVE IT TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.

>> I WOULD RATHER DO IT AT THE BUDGET MEETING.

>> BUDGET PRESENTATION FOR DISCUSSION WE CAN RAISE THAT

ISSUE. >> IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO KNOW WHAT TO PATCH THIS BUILDING UP WOULD COST.

SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M ASKING FOR.

I MEAN IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE SPECIFIC.

IT HAS TO BE SOMEWHAT SPECIFIC. BUT IN 30 DAYS YOU COME UP WITH A THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD COST TO PATCH THE BUILDING.

>> THAT'S LIKELY DOABLE. >> IF IT'S JUST TO PATCH THE BUILDING UP IT'S A MILLION BUCKS, YOU HAVE SOMETHING.

IF THE PATCH ANOTHER THREE OR FOUR YEARS IS ANOTHER HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS THAT'S ANOTHER STORY.

AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, TONIGHT IS JUST A PRESENTATION OF BUDGET.

THERE'S NO DISCUSSION SCHEDULED FOR THE BUDGET THIS EVENING.

WE HAVE SEVERAL BUDGET WORKSHOPS SCHEDULED.

THERE MAYBE COMMENTS ON IT, BUT THERE IS NO DISCUSSION SCHEDULED

ON THE BUDGET THIS EVENING. >> SO, CAN WE AGREE THAT WE COULD ASK FOR A PRELIMINARY REPORT ON THE WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO PATCH? PATCH THE BUILDING UP.

>> STAFF CAN WORK ON PUTTING THOSE NUMBERS TOGETHER.

>> I THINK THAT'S CRUCIAL WHEN CONSIDERING OUR BUDGET.

>> VICE MAYOR. >> I THINK IT'S CRUCIAL.

SHOULD WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CITY HALL, IF THOSE ISSUES, IF WE HAVE TO DO THOSE NOW, THE ESTIMATE.

>> YES, SIR. >> ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS

COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANY OTHER TOPICS ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS? WE HAVE 10 MINUTES.

I'M SURE YOU WOULD LIKE A 10-MINUTE BREAK BEFORE WE DELVE INTO THE REGULAR COMMISSION. THERE IS ANOTHER TOPIC.

THAT IS I WILL SAVE IT. ALL RIGHT.

SO, NOT

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