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IS THE MAY 18TH, 2021 FERNANDINA BEACH CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP.
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PREPARATION. COMMISSIONER ROSS. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.>> BEFORE WE GO TO THE MEETING WITH THE COMMISSIONERS WE SHOULD TALK AMONGST OURSELVES AND HAVE A -- A COHESIVE STORY TO TELL AND WHO IS GOING TO TELL THE STORY.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ISSUES. THE FIRST THAT WAS -- I PUT THEM OUT THERE SO THE CITY OF
FERNANDINA BEACH BUILDING DEPARTMENT. >> CAN WE JUST BLOW THAT UP A
LITTLE? SO WE CAN READ IT. >> THANKS.
>> THIS GLARE FROM THE. >> DO WE WANT TO BRING THAT UP, I THINK AND THE COUNTY MANAGER MADE IT CLEAR THAT THE COUNTY IS NOT INTERESTED IN ENTERTAINING THAT.
IF THEY DO, THEY HAVE TO DO A STUDY TALKING TO HIM PRIVATELY. THIS WOULD COST 50 AND $75,000.
I DON'T THINK THEY WILL BE SPRINGING FOR THAT. SO.
>> I'M SORRY -- GOOD. >> SO, WHAT IS YOUR PLEASURE BRING THAT UP AT THE MEETING OR NOT? MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT I THINK THE COUNTY HAS ANSWERED THE QUESTION AND WE SHOULD MOVE ON WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING WHICH IS APPROPRIATE.
>> VICE MAYOR? >> THE REAL QUESTION IS, DO WE, AS A COMMISSION, WANT TO PURSUE THAT ISSUE. IF WE WANT TO PURE PURSUE THAT. I'M NOT INTERESTED IN DOING THAT AT THIS POINT. THAT BEING THE CASE, I WOULD NOT BRING IT UP.
ALTHOUGH I WILL SAY THERE IS -- THERE HAVE BEEN PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS THAT MAY WELL BE
BROUGHT UP BY SOMEBODY ELSE. >> ANYBODY ELSE? MR. BEEN?
>> SO, I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THE VICE MAYOR. I HAVE A FEELING WE MAY NOT BE IN FAVOR OF DOING THAT AS A COMMISSION RIGHT NOW. IF THAT'S THE CASE, LET'S NOT BRING IT UP, IF WE'RE NOT READY TO DO IT. LET'S ASK THEM TO DO IT.
>> THAT'S MY OPINION AS WELL. I THINK THINGS ARE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
I HEARD TWO OR THREE PHONE CALLS FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO SAID THEY ARE HAPPY WITH THE PROGRESS AND THE CHANGE AROUND AND THINGS ARE COMING ABOUT SO, I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF DOING ANYTHING IN THAT DIRECTION I THINK WE HAVE A PLAN, I THINK WE'RE PURSUING THAT PLAN SO -- THAT'S MY
OPINION. >> THANK YOU, SIR. I'M ON THE FENCE ON THIS.
THERE IS A SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION THAT'S BEEN YELLING AND SCREAMING HAVE THE COUNTY TAKE IT OVER, HAVE THE COUNTY TAKE IT OVER. YOU HAVE NOT ASKED THE COUNTY EVEN THOUGH WE -- SOME OF US PROVIDED THE LETTER. THE RESPONSE HAS BEEN YOU HAVE NOT AND THE COUNTY HAS NOT ANSWERED. AND MY INITIAL THOUGHT IS ANSWER
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TO THE FOLKS. >> THEY SENT A LETTER SAYING, OKAY, WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION TO DO THAT NOW. IF YOU WANT TO, WE'LL DO A STUDY.
THEY WILL FORM THAT STUDY OUT. THAT WILL COST 50 TO $75,000. WE'RE NOT PAYING FOR IT.
THEY HAVE SPOKEN. THEY'RE NOT EQUIPPED TO TAKE IT OVER.
A GREAT CHANGE IN THE SYSTEM AND THEY'RE OVERWHELMED. I THINK THEY HAVE SPOKEN.
>> I JUST FEEL IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE THEM ON THE RECORD SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT.
WE HAVE NO INTEREST IN ASSUMING THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT OF THE CITY FOR FERNANDINA BEACH.
>> I DON'T THINK THEY WILL SAY THAT, THEY ARE TOO PO POLITE. THEY DANCE AROUND IT.
I MEAN WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO FORWARD, WE CAN BRING IT UP LATER.
RIGHT NOW, WE'RE IN A POSITION WE SHOULD PROCEED.
, WE ARE INDEPENDENTLY ELECTED AND SPEAK OUR MIND AT THE MEETING. WE MAY REACH A CONSENSUS IN THE WORKSHOP WE CAN SAY WHAT WE FEEL SHOULD BE SAID IN THE MEETING.
>> THIS WHAT WE WANT ON THE AGENDA.
IF YOU WANT TO PUT THAT OUT PERSONALLY THAT'S FINE.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM. THAT IS WITH ANY ONE OF THESE.
ON THE AGENDA WE SHOULD TAKE IT OFF FOR NOW.
THERE IS A CONSENSUS TO NOT HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA.
>> MR. BEAN. >> YOU BRING UP INTERESTING POINTS IT WAS TO SAY THAT I ASSUME WE HAD A CONSENSUS WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING. HERE IS THE THING, THAT WAS GIVEN THE FACT THAT THE COUNTY WAS SAYING NO.
THE MAYOR HAS AN INTERESTING POINT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THE COUNT RATHER THAN GO THROUGH OTHER CHANNELS.
THERE IS NO REASON TO TAKE IT OFF.
LET'S LEAVE IT ON AND ASK. LET'S JUST SAY WHAT IS YOUR OPINION. SEE WHAT THEY SAY AND THAT PUTS
IT ON THEM. >> SO, WHICH AMONG YOU WOULD
LIKE TO BRING IT UP? >> WE'LL LEAVE IT THERE.
>> OKAY, THIS IS INFORMAL. >> YES, YES.
>> THE LAST TIME WE MET WAS IN MARCH OF 2019 AND THERE WERE 10 AGENDA ITEMS FROM THE CITY. NINE OF THEM WERE MINE AND ONE WAS YOURS AND FOUR FROM THE COUNTY.
I AGREE 100% WITH YOU THAT WE SHOULD BRING IT UP.
IF YOU WANT TO BRING IT UP BUT I THINK IT IS IMPERATIVE WE, AS A COMMISSION, BRING UP, WE'LL GET TO THE OTHER POINTS IT IS THE COMMISSION POSITION, YOU KNOW SO I CAN SAY ANYTHING I WANT AS A COMMISSIONER BUT AS A COMMISSION WE SHOULD HAVE CONSENSUS WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE OTHER ONES I THINK THEY ARE IMPORTANT.
WITH THIS, AS WE HAVE -- WE SET A GOAL.
WE HAVE DONE THINGS AND THERE IS A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON AND IF WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN PURSUING THAT, LIKE I SAY, I WOULD NOT BRING IT UP. I'M NOT OPPOSED OR ANYBODY --
>> WHAT IS THE PLEASURE? THREE OF US DON'T WANT TO BRING US UP,
TWO OF US DO. >> THAT LEAVES US FIVE DULY ELECTED AND WE'RE FREE TO SPEAK OUR MIND.
>> WE'LL TAKE IT OFF THE AGENDA BUT YOU CAN SPEAK YOUR MIND.
>> THAT'S FINE. WE AGREE TO THAT.
THE SECOND IS THE MSTU. THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT I DON'T KNOW THERE IS CONSENSUS HERE BUT WE HAVE AN MSTU IF YOU LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL TAX THE MSTU COULD YOU USE IT FOR BEACH RENOURISHMENT AND OTHER THINGS LIKE WALKOVERS AND SUCH.
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR OPINIONS WHETHER WE KEEP THE MONEY IN THE MSTU THERE AND GOING FORWARD SOME PERCENT -- A PERCENTAGE OF THE MSTU USE FOR BEACH WALK OVERS AS A DEDICATED
FUNDING SOURCE. >> COMMISSIONERS?
>> THE COUNTY HAS TO AGREE TO IT AND MY UNDERSTAND SOMETHING THAT OUR PORTION OF IT THEY DON'T CARE WHAT WE DO WITH IT IF WE'RE AWARE OF THE FACT THE BIG ONE HITS WE HAD -- WE'RE THE ONES
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WHO SIGNED THE AGREEMENT SAYING WE WOULD FUND THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS PORTION OF THE BEACH RENOURISHMENT WHICH IS -- CURIOUS WHAT OTHERS HAVE TO SAY?>> VICE MAYOR? >> MSTU WAS ESTABLISHED
BASICALLY AFTER FOUR READINGS. >> I KNOW.
>> BECAUSE THE THERE WAS AN ATTEMPT TO MAKE IT BROADER AND COLLECT $250,000 A YEAR BECAUSE OF 2008 COST SHARE WAS A 1.5 MILLION. THE LIKELIHOOD OF A FULL FIVE YEARS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AGAIN FOR RENOURISHMENT WE USE THE MSTU AND WE HAVE THREE ITEMS ON THIS EVENING THAT ARE USED FOR THE MSTU SO, I THINK THERE IS PROBABLY 2 MILLION IN IT.
CLOSE TO 2 MILLION ADD THEY CAME UP AND PAID 17 AND 18 WHEN THEY PAID 100,000 THEY PAID 16,000 ON A COUNTY SHARE OF THE BILL.
WE USE THE MSTU WE NEED COMMITMENTS BECAUSE THE BOYD 17-2018 WAS A 33 MILLION-DOLLAR PROJECT WE NEED COMMITMENT THAT THE TDC WILL PAY THE RENOURISHMENT SO THAT THE RESERVE IS THERE SO I THINK WE CAN DISCUSS IT.
NO. >> I WOULD BE HAPPY TO BRING IT
UP. >> HOW ABOUT YOU, LEN, WHY DON'T
YOU BRING THAT UP. >> WE DON'T NEED A BUNCH OF RESERVES WHEN WE'RE HURTING. IF THE PURPOSE WAS FOR
DESTRUCTION. >> INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.
I LIKE TO DO SOMETHING OR TAKE IT OFF THE PLATE.
IT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR THREE, FOUR YEARS.
THE ORIGINAL IDEA WHAT THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT SOMEONE WAS GOING TO BUILD IN THE COUNTY BUT THEN COME IN AND SAY THEY WANT SEWER AND WATER WHAT THEY WOULD DO GET THE PERMITS, GET EVERYTHING AND DO IT UNDER THE COUNTY RULES WHICH ARE MORE RELAXED AND THEN COME TO THE CITY AND SAY, WE WANT YOUR SEWER AND WATER. WHAT THIS WOULD SAY, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT IF YOU WANT TO USE CITY SEWER AND WATER, YOU HAVE TO -- YOU HAVE TO AGREE TO ANNEX AND USE THE CITY RULES TO DO YOUR NEW DEVELOPMENT.
>> THAT'S A FINE AGREEMENT. >> ANYONE HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH
>> IS THAT ONE OF THE COUNTIES AGAIN.
>> THEY HAVE NOT PUBLISHED THE AGENDA YET.
I THINK THERE WERE GO THINGS THAT WAS THE -- THE MSTUTDC AND HABITAT CONSERVATION. THOSE ARE THE ISSUES.
>> I THINK IT IS JUST A -- >> OKAY.
>>> COMMISSIONER STURGES? >> YES, I FEEL THE SAME WAY BUT SO -- IF THEY GO THROUGH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THEN, YOU KNOW, GET APPROVED THROUGH THE COUNTY AND THEN, YOU KNOW SUBMIT FOR CITY WATER AND SEWER, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE KNOWN THAT WE'RE GOING TO EXPECT THEM TO GO THROUGH OUR PLANNING
DEPARTMENT. >> I AGREE; THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED
>> I AGREE WITH YOU. >> I AGREE THAT YOU --
>> SO THE BEST WAY FOR THE CITY TO DO THIS IS, THESE AGREEMENTS ARE COVERED UNDER CHAPTER 171 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES COVERING ANNEXATION, THE PURPOSE AND THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS THE TYPES WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE, THE DISCUSSIONS BEGAN WITH TACO POPE WHEN HE WAS IN CHARGE OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND KELLY GIBSON HERE WITH THE CITY. THE IDEA IS THAT WE ESTABLISH PLANNING AREAS. AND WITHIN THOSE -- WITHIN THE PLANNING AREAS WOULD INCLUDE UNINCORPORATED AREAS OF AMELIA ISLAND THAT THE COUNTY BELIEVES SHOULD BE ANNEXED FOR THE
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MUNICIPAL-TYPE SERVICES AND AGREE TO RULES OF ANNEXATION IF YOU WILL. ONE OF THE THINGS WHAT ARE THE DEVELOPMENT CODES THAT APPLY TO A PROPERTY IF THEY WERE IN THE PLANNING AREA NEEDING THE SERVICES OF THE CITY AND ULTIMATELY TO BE ANNEXED, THOSE WOULD BE GONED UNDER -- THAT'S WHAT WE PROPOSE AS THE CITY UNDER THE CITY'S DEVELOPMENT CODE. WE HAVE ALL TOO OFTEN SEEN PROPERTIES THAT NEED CITY WATER AND SEWER, THEY SIGN AN ANNEXATION AGREEMENT AND CLEAR-CUT THE PROPERTY MORE SO THAN WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO IN THE CITY CERTAINLY AND THEN THEY BUILD. WE'RE CONSTANTLY ASKED WHY WERE THEY ALLOWED TO DO THAT. THIS MAY ADDRESS THAT.ONE OF THE THINGS I DO NOT THINK WE COULD PUT INTO THE AGREEMENT, WOULD NOT BENEFIT THE CITY ARE A DISCUSSION OF UTILITY SERVICE AREAS. SEWER AND WATER SERVICE AREAS.
THE REASON FOR THAT IS THESE TYPE OF SEWER AND WATER SERVICE AREA GO ALONG WITH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUT A LOT OF AGREEMENTS BETWEEN THE COUNTIES AND CITY DOES THAT.
THE REASON WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT IN FLORIDA THERE IS CASE LAW THAT SAYS IF THE CITY CONDITIONS THE PROVISION OF WATER AND SEWER ON SIGNING AN ANNEXATION AGREEMENT, THEY CANNOT -- THE CITY CAN CANNOT DO THAT IF WE AGREED WITH THE COUNTY.
THIS IS NOT PLANNING AREA BUT THIS IS WHERE THE CITY WILL PROVIDE SEWER AND WATER. THIS IS WHERE THE COUNTY WILL PROVIDE SEWER AND WATER N THAT CASE BY AGREEMENT, THE CITY HAS OBLIGATED ITSELF TO PROVIDE SEWER AND WATER AND IS NOT ABLE TO CONDITION ANNEXATION ON THE PROVISION OF THE SERVICES.
AND WE ANNEXED A LOT OF PROPERTIES AND GOT A LOT OF AGREEMENTS. THAT'S LAWFUL.
SO, THAT IS THE ONE PART I WOULD SAY THAT WE NOT AGREE TO RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED THAT WITH THE COUNTY. BUT WE CAN COME UP WITH RULES OF ANNEXATION AND SOME WAYS THAT THE PROPERTIES MAY DEVELOP BUT NOT TAKE AWAY THE ABILITY. THE REASON WOULD BE, I THINK, WHERE WE SEE THE AREAS OF THE CITY POCKETS IF YOU WILL OF
UNINCORPORATED PROPERTIES. >> THAT MAY NOT BE SOMETHING IN THE PANNING AREA BECAUSE IT IS SO DEEP WITHIN THE CITY LIMIT AND THEY NEED TO COME TO THE CITY WHEN THE SEPTIC TANK FAILS FOR SEWER OR WATER WHEN THEY DON'T WANT TO FIX THE WELL.
WE WANT TO STILL SAY, YOU HAVE TO ANNEX INTO THE CITY.
>> SO, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS LIMIT THIS TO A PLANNING --
>> PLANNING. >> NOT UTILITIES.
THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION. >> VICE MAYOR.
>> WE SHOULD DISCUSS IT. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THEY WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE NOT SPECIFICALLY.
>> IT WAS CONSERVATION BUT THEY WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE JOINT. REMEMBER TACO TALKING ABOUT IT.
WE NEED TO DISCUSS IT. >> YOU WANT ME TO LEAD ON THIS
>>> THE NEXT ONE. >> CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH PARKS AND RECREATION COOPERATIVE FUNDING.
I MADE MY POINTS ON THAT CLEAR BUT I'M NOT THE ONE TO BRING THAT UP. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR WHAT EVERYONE ELSE SAYS. I BELIEVE THAT THE COUNTY SHOULD BE HELPING US FUND OUR PARKS AND RECREATION SYSTEM THEY USE IT A LOT BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE PUT IN THE PARKS AND RC -- PARKS AND RECREATION NOT ONE NICKEL SPENT IN THE CITY, NOT ONE.
140MILLION-DOLLAR PLAN. I THINK THAT SHOULDN'T BE BUT WHAT DOES EVERYONE ELSE HAVE TO SAY?
>> VICE MAYOR. >> I REMEMBER SITTING AT THE COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING THEY TALKED ABOUT THE MASTER PLAN AND DR. BARTH TALKED ABOUT THE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY AND THEY TALKED ABOUT THE PARTNERSHIPS IN THE CITY AND YET EVERY TIME WE ASKED THEM FOR ANY MONEY, I DON'T THINK WE DID A GOOD JOB ON THE 500,000 BUT I THINK THAT THAT SLIDE THAT WAS IN THE PACKAGE SHOWS YOU THE COUNTY USAGE OF FACILITIES AND WITH THE -- YOU KNOW, MOST -- MOST THINGS PAY FOR THEMSELVES WHEN YOU SUBTRACT THE MAINTENANCE IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT IT IS EVERYTHING BUT THE PEOPLE WORKING THERE.
I THINK WITH THE SALARIES ABOUT A 1.8 MILLION CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS 1.2 MILLION, I THINK WE SHOULD DO AND ASK THEM TO PROVIDE SOME PORTION OF THAT AND LET THEM SAY NO OR YES.
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>> AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PEOPLE OF FERNANDINA BEACH, I WANT TO MAKE SURE TAXPAYERS TO THE CITY AND THE COUNTY.
WE'RE ALL COUNTY TAXPAYERS I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET OUR SHARE OF TAX DOLLARS. THAT SAID, I ASKED THE CITY MANAGER TO GET TWO NUMBERS WE HAVE ONE.
BUT THE NUMBERS ARE, NUMBER ONE, WHAT IS THE REVENUE FROM THE COUNTY FROM THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH, HOW MUCH ARE
WE PAYING IN IN TAXES. >> 22% OF THE TAX.
>> WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE COUNTY'S BUDGET IS SPENT BACK IN FERNANDINA BEACH AND FROM THERE?
>> CAN I ASK A QUESTION. THAT DEPENDS HOW YOU CUT THE CAKE. THEY CLAIM THEY GIVE THE SHERIFF'S SERVICE, THE LIBRARY, THE TAX COLLECTOR THE VOTING SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, HOW YOU DICE
THAT UP IS WHAT THEY WILL SAY. >> AND IT WOULD SHOW THAT EVEN WITH ALL THAT FACTORED IN I WOULD SAY THAT THE PEOPLE ARE RECEIVING A LOW RETURN ON OUR TAX DOLLARS T IS WORSE THAN THAT. 22% OF THE CITY AND ISLAND
ITSELF IS 52% OF THE TAX. >> SO WITH THAT NUMBER -- I HOPE IF WE COULD GET THE TWO NUMBERS ROUGHLY AND WHAT WE BELIEVE OUR PERCENTAGE OF THAT BEFORE THE MEETING IT, I WOULD LOVE TO SAY THIS IS THE RETURN. I WOULD EXPECT, YES, SOME, WE WOULD EXPECT TO RECEIVE LESS TAX DOLLARS BACK THAN WHAT WE PAY IN. I HOPE WE DON'T.
I WANT TO NEGOTIATE THE REASON WE PAY MORES AS A CITY, WE EXPECT THE SUPERIOR SERVICES. WE PAY FOR OUR OWN AND WE PAY FOR OTHER PEOPLE'S SERVICES, TOO.
SO, WITH THOSE NUMBERS IN MIND WE -- WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS.
I'M INTERESTED. FURTHER MORE, WE HAVE TOOLS IN THE REGARDS UNTIL TO MAKE IT EQUITABLE AND THINKING ABOUT LITTLE LEAGUES AND LOOK AT OUR CONTRACTS WITH VARIOUS LITTLE LEAGUES AND SAY, WAIT A SECOND. FOR EVERY NON-CITY RESIDENT THAT YOU HAVE, WE HAVE TO CHARGE AN ADDITIONAL FEE AND PASS THAT ON
TO THE -- >> ARE YOU AWARE RIGHT NOW WE
CHARGE NOBODY NOTHING? >> WHAT ARE YOU SPEAKING OF?
>> BASEBALL LEAGUES. THEY PLAY FOR FREE.
>> REALLY? >> SOCCER LEAGUES FREE.
>> OUR CONTRACT WITH BABE RUTH IS, WE DON'T CHARGE ANYTHING?
THAT'S INTERESTING. >> CITY MANAGER.
>> THAT HAS BEEN TRUE FOR YEARS THE LEAGUES HAVE NOT BEEN CHARGED A FEE. WHAT USED TO HAPPEN ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO, I MAY BE OFF A LITTLE, I REMEMBER THE VICE MAYOR KREGER WAS ON THE COMMISSION AT THE TIME, THE LEAGUES USED TO HAVE TO PAY 100% OF THE UTILITY COSTS, THERE WERE METERS OUT FOR THE UTILITIES, THE LIGHTS THEY USED, THE WATER THEY USED A FEW YEARS AGO THE COMMISSION DECIDED AS A POLICY THEY WOULD NOT HAVE THE LEAGUES PAY ANY UTILITY FEES.
NOW IT IS 100% FREE TO, THEY DON'T PAY THE CITY.
THEY PROVIDE SERVICES. THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MOWING THE GRASS ON THE SOCCER FIELDS AND FOR LINING THE FIELDS.
THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR KEEPING THE CLAY AND ALL THAT RAKED ON THE FIELDS. THE CITY DOES PROVIDE THEM, I KNOW THE CITY BROUGHT CLAY OUT TO CENTRAL PARK FOR THE BASEBALL FIELDS. AND TO MLK.
BUT THEY HAVE SOME RESPONSIBILITIES BUT THEY DON'T
PAY. >> WHO MAINTAINS THE BUILDING LIKE THE BABE RUTH BUILDING AND THE SOCCER FIELD, IS THAT US?
>> IF SOMETHING MAJOR HAPPENED I WOULD HAVE TO ASK JEREMIAH, I WOULD GUESS WE DO SOME OF THAT MAINTENANCE BUT THEY DO THE DAY TO DAY MAINTENANCE. IF -- I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE AIR CONDITIONING OUT THERE IN THOSE BUT THERE ARE BATHROOM FACILITIES. THE CITY DOES PROVIDE SOME MAINTENANCE ON THE BATHROOM FACILITIES.
>> AND THE CITY CLEANS? , I BELIEVE SO.
>> ALL RIGHT. WELL THAT IS INTERESTING.
TO ANSWER THE QUESTION I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION
ABOUT PARKS AND RECREATION. >> I THINK WE HAVE TO -- MIKE
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WERE YOU THERE WHEN WE TALKED TO THEM.YOU KNOW AND ULTIMATELY THE THING WAS THAT THE FEES, YOU KNOW FOR THE COUNTY PEOPLE ARE AT 25% PREMIUM NOW IF YOU LOOK AT ADULT SOFTBALL IT IS 75% RESIDENTS.
VOLLEYBALL 50%. AQUATICS, IT IS VERY EXPENSIVE. SO, YOU KNOW WE SAY 25%, 50%, 100%. WHAT YOU HAVE HAPPEN NOW, I'M NOT SURE, BUT YOU WILL PUT POLITICAL PRESSURE ON THE COUNTY AND WHO IS ASKING TO US WAIT, YOU KNOW, BUT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE AND YOU KNOW I BELIEVE THEY MAY NEED TO RESPOND TO US.
>> WOULD YOU LIKE TO LEAD THE DISCUSSION?
>> LIT CHIP DO IT. >> ARE YOU BEING VOLUNTEERED.
>> ARE YOU BEING VERY ARTICULATE ON THIS.
>> I APPRECIATE THAT. >> YOU KNOW I APPRECIATE THE VOTE OF SUPPORT ON THIS. I WILL SAY THAT, OKAY IF I SAY A
>> I'M NOT STOPPING YOU NOW. I WILL TAKE THIS UP, I WILL DO
IT VERY NICELY. >> ARE YOU MUCH NICER THAN I AM.
>> THAT'S FINE. >> I JUST WANT TO SAY, I DIDN'T MEAN IT NASTY YOU ARE POLITE I'M MORE BLUNT THAN YOU ARE.
>> ENOUGH. >> I HOPE PEOPLE HEARD THAT.
>> YES, SIR. KY READ WITHOUT MY GLASSES.
THE BEACH HABITAT CONSERVATION. >> DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO
SAY? >> IT IS IN THE WORKS AND WE
JUST NEED A STATUS REPORT. >> ON FRIDAY AFTERNOON I GOT A REPORT FROM THE FWC WHO PUT THAT IN TO THAT THEY WOULD BE FUNDING -- FUNDING THE GRANT. THEY HAVE QUESTIONS, WHICH I'LL ANSWER ON A ZOOM TOMORROW MORNING.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW, THIS IS THE AMELIA ISLAND BEACH CONSERVATION PLAN WHICH IS A PERFECT CASE OF WORKING WITH THE COUNTY.
WE DID ALL THE WORK. AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS TO ANSWER. WE'LL HAVE TO REISSUE IT $179,000 I BELIEVE IT IS PAYING 11,000.
33,000 SPLIT BETWEEN US AND WE MAY BE ABLE TO MATCH IT WITH LABOR SO. IT IS MOVING ALONG WELL.
THE COUNTY HAS BEEN SERVED WITH LAWSUITS IN THE NAME OF TURTLES WHO HAVE STANDING BUT NOT THE TURTLE PEOPLE THAT ARE SUING, THE PEOPLE IN THE BUILDINGS SO THE COUNTY IS INTERESTED IN -- THEY HAVE BEEN INTERESTED IN MOVING THIS FORWARD.
>> SO WE'LL KEEP THAT ON THE AGENDA.
>> WHO IS GOING TO BE THE SPEAKER?
>> THE NEXT ONE AMELIA ISLAND BEACH -- THAT'S A LONG STORY.
AND THIS IS A PROPOSAL THAT IS BEING BROUGHT FORTH BY THE TDC AND IT IS TO COME UP WITH JUST WHAT IT SAYS, THERE WAS A BUNCH OF MERELY. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS?
>> MICE MAYOR, WE WERE AT THE MEETING THIS IS A COUNTY DIRECTING THE TDC TO DO THREE THINGS.
AMERICAN BEACH IS FINE. IT IS NOT A BIG DEAL ALL THE WAY FINDING WILL IDENTIFY THE SPECIFIC.
THE BEACH AND ALL OF THAT OTHER BIG WORDS INCLUDING THE THREE BEACHES AND I HAVE YET BEEN AWARE OF ANY EFFORT BY THE COUNTY OR THE TDC TO APPROACH THE CITY AND DISCUSS THE ISSUES. TWO OF THE BEACH PARKS ARE UNDER MANAGEMENT PLANS WITH FLORIDA COMMUNITY TRUST.
I THINK MY POINT IF WE CAN BE NICE, THIS NOT YOU, JEFF, IF WE CAN SAY, GUYS, WE HAVE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE BEACHES,
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YOU NEED TO TALK TO US. WE NEED TO BE A PART OF THEPLANNING. >> I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU.
ANYONE ELSE ON THIS? >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR, WE SHOULD AND I'M VERY -- I LIKE THE PROPOSAL IN GENERAL.
THEY WILL SPEND MONEY ON THE BEACHES WHICH SOUNDS GREAT U I'M NERVOUS ABOUT PAID BEACH PARKING AS WE SAID A FEW MORE TIMES I WANTS TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER DEAL WE TAKE DOESN'T HAVE ANY KIND OF STRINGS WHERE WE HAVE TO START CHARGING FOR PARKING.
I'M OPPOSED TO PAID BEACH PARKING, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO
ATTACHED. >> COMMISSIONER STURGES?
>> THANKTHANK YOU. >> I THINK IT IS THE IDEA THEY ARE SPENDING MONEY AND DOING RENOURISHMENT WITH THE SIGNAGE OR WHAT THE ENTRANCES WHETHER IT IS WITH THE BOARD WALKS OR THE BEACH AND PARKS. I WILL VERBALIZE THE SAME THING THAT, I HAVE NO INTEREST IN PAID BEACH PARKING.
HOPEFULLY THAT WILL NOT COME UP.
THAT WILL NOT BE ONE OF THE THINGS.
SO, WE'LL DEAL WITH IT. , WHO SHOULD TAKE THE LEAD ON THIS ONE. NOT ME.
>> VICE MAYOR? >> I'LL DO THIS ONE.
>> AND A THE MILLION TOURIST DEVELOPMENT INFRASTRUCTURE AND TRASH PICKUP. DID WE FIND I'M ASKING.
DID WE FIND OUT IF THEY PAID THEIR BILL?
>> JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS. ALL THE CONTAINERS THAT ARE OUT ON THE SIDE, ADVANCE PICKS UP THE TRASH.
WE BILL ADVANCE AND THE COUNTY IS SUPPOSED TO REIMBURSE US.
>> AND THE LAST NEWS I THINK IT IS DIFFERENT.
I THINK WE GET THE BILL AND WE SEND IT TO THE TDC, THE LAST WORD I GOT THAT THE TDC IS BEHIND IN THE PAYMENTS TO WASTE MANAGEMENT, I WILL RECONFIRM THAT WITH THE COUNTY BEFORE THE
MEETING NEXT WEEK. >> THE INFRASTRUCTURE GOES BACK INTO THE -- THE WITH THE PRECREEDING ONE.
>> VICE MAYOR? >> THE INFRASTRUCTURE IT FITS IN THE OTHER SINCE 1988, 10% OF THE TDC TAX GOES TO BEACH INFRASTRUCTURE. IT IS 30 SOME YEARS, THE CITY HAS RECEIVED ZERO WITH THE EXCEPTION OF BEACH CLEANING AND THEY USE THAT FOR THE RENOURISHMENT THEY PAY AND THEY ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE ONLY THINGS THAT THEY HAVE DONE SINCE 1988. AND I REMEMBER WE HAD A MEETING AND THEY HAD THE MATTHEW AND PAID A LOT OF MONEY AND I THINK OVER A MILLION DOLLARS TO CLEAN THE BEACHES, THE PROBLEM WAS THAT THE CITY BEACH WAS CLEAN AFTER THE FIRST OR SECOND TIME.
WE HAD CREWS OUT THERE AND THEY SENT THEM OUT AGAIN AND WE REQUESTED THEM NOT TO AND REMOVED THE RACK LINE WHICH IS ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE ISSUE.
WE SAT DOWN AND HAD A MEETING. TAMMY WAS THERE.
AND WE HAVE A REQUEST TO PAY FOR THE SEASIDE RIGHT NOW.
I THINK WE NEED TO FIT THAT IN AGAIN, YOU KNOW.
>>> $125,000 ON SEASIDE THE ANSWER IS GOING TO BE WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT AND THE PREEMPT THAT AND DO NOT WANT TO PUT MONEY INTO $125,000. THEY WANT TO WAIT UNTIL THIS GOES AND SEE THAT THEY MAY TAKE THAT DOWN AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING ELSE. THE QUESTION IS, THE CITY ARE WE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE NOW OR COME UP WITH A GRAND PLAN WHICH WE HAVE NOT HAD MUCH INPUT
INTO, AS YOU POINTED OUT? >> VICE MAYOR.
>> THE MEETING THE 20TH POSTPONED BECAUSE OF THE CAR.
>> THERE IS A COMMISSIONER SAYING THEY WILL NOT FUND IT.
, THEY I SAY THAT. LET'S PUSH IT FORWARD WHAT YOU SAY WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD. SO, SHOULD WE BRING THAT UP AT
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, I HEARD OTHERS. , WE HAVE TWO REPRESENTATIVES, HAVING BEEN HERE A WHILE AND ON THE BOARD THERE IS DISCUSSION ABOUT CHANGING THE FORMULA. WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE BED TAX REVENUE THAT THE TDC GETS COMES FROM THE CITY.
>> IT COMES FROM THE COUNTY. >> I DON'T KNOW.
>> THE CITY GENERATES SOME BED TAX.
25%. ARE YOU ADDING ROOMS AND SO IT WILL INCREASE SOME BUT EVEN AT THAT WE HAVE NOTHING.
>>> THE TDC IS NOT THE PROBLEM. >> I UNDERSTAND BUT THE ISSUE CONTINUES TO BE WE'RE COMING UP ON BUDGET.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BEACH INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE HAVE THE RESIDENTS IN NOW THAT'S TOTALLY GOING TO CHANGE THAT -- THAT INTERSECTION AND THAT PARK AND IT IS GOING TO IMPACT THE AREA OF THE BEACH. IT'S TIME TO ADDRESS THAT IS WHAT I'M SAYING. IWELL THE PEOPLE TO BRING IT UP IS ONE OF THE REPRESENTATIVES ON THE TDC.
>> VICE MAYOR? >> THAT'S THE END OF MY LIST.
>> FIN ELSE. >> THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD ASK IS THE PRIORITIZE THE LIST BECAUSE,.
>> LET'S CENTER THE CITY MANAGER.
>> I THINK IT SHOULD BE OUR PRIORITY.
OUR PRIORITY. >> WE CAN DO IT NOW, THAT'S WHY
I'M ASKING. >> I THOUGHT YOU PANTS WHATTED ME TO DO. THAT I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.
>> THAT'S OUR LIST. >> WHAT IS THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE?
>> NUMBER ONE ON THE AGENDA SHOULD BE THE BEACH CONSERVATION PLANNING IT IS SHORT AND POSITIVE AND SETS THE TONE OF COLLEAGUE ALTY. LET'S PUT THAT ONE.
I WOULD TAKE THAT THE TOP AND THEN FLIP IT.
>> I FOUND THE E-MAIL THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAD TWO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, RECREATION AND PRIORITY TOURISM, THOSE ARE THE ITEMS, THOSE ARE THE TWO TOPICS THEY WILL PUT ON.
>> THEY WILL DOVE TAIL WITH SEVERAL OF OURS?
>> WE TAKING THAT ONE PUT IT TO THE TOP AND.
>> ONE LAST THING WE TOOK OUT THE ONE ABOUT BUILDING OKAY.
>> I GOT LIGHTS ON COMMISSIONER BEAN AND VICE MAYOR.
>> I WOULD SAY PARKS AND RECREATIONS TOP FIVE ACCORDING TO THE FORMULA OKAY WE DONE WITH 3.1.
[3.2 SIMMONS ROAD PARK]
2-POINT SIMONS ROAD PARK THIS IS PLACED BY MYSELF.AND THIS WAS IN RESPONSE TO I THINK AN E-MAIL THAT ALL OF US RECEIVED ABOUT THE ADVANCED PURCHASE OF THE EQUIPMENT FOR THE PARK I BELIEVE IT WAS $53,000 WORTH OF EQUIPMENT THAT HAS BEEN SITTING IN A WAREHOUSE, A CITY WAREHOUSE OR FACILITY FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS WHAT IS HAPPENING AND WHAT IS THE PLAN TO HAVE IT INSTALLED. MR. MORRISON IS HERE AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AND HE CAN ADDRESS THIS THE CITY
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MANAGER YOU LOOK LIKE WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT.>> THE FACT THAT THIS WAS, YES, I REACHED OUT TO AND SHE SAID YES TO THE EQUIPMENT PURCHASED IT IS AWAITING INSTALLATION.
MR. MORRISON SENT AN E-MAIL TO YOU THAT OFFERED SOME INSIGHT AS TO WHAT HAS BEEN THE DELAY IN SOME WAYS RELATED TO THE PANDEMIC. GETTING INSTALLERS AND RECONFIGURING SINCE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE OPEN AREAS.
THIS REDOING REDESIGN AND REENGINEERING, IS THAT THE RIGHT WORD, AS TO WHERE TO LOCATE AND HOW TO0 LOCATE THE EQUIPMENT IN THE APPROPRIATE LOCATIONS. WE HAVE THE EQUIPMENT.
ITST IN THE PROCESS OF BEING PROPERLY ENGINEERED TO PUT AT THAT PARK AS EIGHT FLAGS HAS INDICATED IT WILL BE PLACED.
>> MR. MORRISON, WOULD YOU COME UP TO THE LECTURN?
>> YES. >> I LIKE THE PHOTO OF YOU AND
YOUR WIFE IF THE MAGAZINE. >> THANK YOU.
>> IS THE FINAL CONFIGURATION OF THE PLAYGROUND BEEN SET?
>> THE FINAL LOCATION HAS BEEN SET.
IF YOU'RE OUT THERE YOU CAN SEE WHERE WE HAVE DONE THE PRELIMINARY CLEARING FOR IT AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THE PLAYGROUND COMPANY RIGHT NOW ON THE CONFIGURATION OF THE SAFETY ASPECTS AND ADA COMPLIANCE BUT, YOU KNOW, THE CONFIGURATION OF THE EQUIPMENT USED ALL THAT HAS BEEN SET FOR A LITTLE WHILE.
YOU KNOW THE ONE THING I WANT TO STRESS IS THAT, YOU NOSE.
I DON'T THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE TO SAY THERE IS A DELAY.
THERE HASN'T. I WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE WE BUILT PIRATE PLAYGROUND IT TOOK SIX YEARS TO DESIGN AND RAISE AND WHEN WE DID EGAN STREET PARK TOOK THREE YEARS TO DESIGN, FUND RAISE AND BUILT IT. THE E-MAIL I SENT, WE'RE NOT -- WE'RE ON TRACK WITH WHERE WE WANT TO BE.
EVERYTHING IS PROGRESSING IT TAKES PATIENCE WHEN YOU'RE RAISING MONEY PRIVATELY TO DO THE THINGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT BUT, YOU NOW, WE'RE HAPPY WITH THE SUCCESS WE HAD IN THE FUND RAISE SO FAR. WE'RE CONFIDENT IT WILL
CONTINUE. >> EDUCATE ME, IS IT JUST ON THE FUNDRAISING HOW MUCH IS NEEDED, WHAT IS THAT USED FOR?
>> SO THE ANSWER TO THE FIRST IS I DON'T KNOW YET THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH THE PLAYGROUND COMPANY ON THEY'RE DEVELOPING THE BUDGETS FOR THE LARGEST EXPENSE THE SURFACING.
FOR A STANDARD PLAYGROUND, YOU KNOW WHEN WE DID PIRATE PLAYGROUND OR THE PIECE THAT'S AT EGANS STREET PARK, 50% OF THE COST IS THE EQUIPMENT AND 50% IS THE SURFACING JUST ROUGHLY THAT'S A RULE OF THUMB, YOU KNOW, BUT WE'RE WAIT FOGGER THEM TO TELL US WHAT THE COST OF THE SURFACING WILL BE, WE DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION YET.
THAT'S GOING TO DETERMINE FUND THE REST OF IT.
>> I MEAN. OBVIOUSLY THE COSTS ARE GOING UP AND THE LEAD TIME FROM WHEN YOU ARE ABLE TO CONTRACT AND WHEN IT CAN BE INSTALL THE. I DON'T REMEMBER IF I INCLUDED YOU IT WAS AN E-MAIL THAT DALE MARTIN I TOLD HIM THAT.
I SPOKE TO THE INSTALLER HE TOLD ME, THAT YOU KNOW, WITH THE DELAYS OF, YOU KNOW BECAUSE OF COVID AND BECAUSE OF JUST THE GENERAL BOOM OF CONSTRUCTION THAT EVERYONE READS ABOUT DAILY THAT WE CAN EXPECT THERE WILL BE BETWEEN 4 AND 6 MONTHS FROM WHEN WE SIGN THE CONTRACT FOR THE SURFACING TO WIN AND IT IS ALL COMPLETELY INSTALLED. THINGS THAT TAKE TIME AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ON WHO IS PAYING FOR WHAT, AT LEAST AS FAR AS ANY SORT OF AGREEMENT AND CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD WITH NAN AND THE PARKS DEPARTMENT SO FAR.
I THINK THAT THE CITY HAS ALREADY DONE WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO THE PURCHASE OF THAT EQUIPMENT AND PLAY SCAPES WILL BE FUNDING THE INSTALLATION OF THE EQUIPMENT AND THE INSTALLATION OF THE SURFACING. WE HAVE OTHER COMPONENTS THAT WERE NOT PURCHASED ORALLY THAT WE'RE FUNDING, TOO.
BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE ANSWER. >> THAT'S HELPFUL.
THANK YOU. >> ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS?
>> COMMISSIONER BEAN? >> THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.
I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO RUN THROUGH THE PARK AND IT IS AMAZING. I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THAT ON FOR THE COMMUNITY.
>> THAT'S ALL I HAD ON SIMMONS ROAD PARK.
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[3.3 231 N. FRONT STREET STRUCTURE]
231 NORTH FRONT STREET THE BUILDING ON THE WATERFRONT THAT WE DISCUSSED A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO THAT'S IN IT JEOPARDY OF BEING DEMOLISHED. WE HAD ORIGINALLY CONSIDERED FISHER ROSS PROVIDED US WITH -- MR. ROSS PUTTING IT ON A BARGE AND TOWING IT DOWN THE RIVER AND PLOPPING IT ON LAND AT A COST OF ABOUT $100,000. WE THEN HAD AN INTERESTED PARTY WHO CAME FORWARD AND I'M TRYING TO RECALL THE NAME OF THE ACTUAL -- WHAT WAS IT CALLED, WHAT TYPE OF PERMIT? NOT A CONCEPT. RELOCATION CONCEPT PERMIT.WHAT THAT THEY DENIED; THEY DIDN'T DENY IT.
>> MR. POINTER SPEND $700,000 OF HIS OWN MONEY HE DIDN'T THINK NIP WAS STEPPING UP TO THE PLATE TO TAKE THAT BUILDING AND MOVE IT TO PROPERTY THAT HE BOUGHT NORTH OF WHERE THE LITTLE GOLF COURSE IS ON SECOND STREET. ON SECOND.
>> HE WANTED A CONCEPT OF WHAT IT WAS.
THEY DID APPROVE IT FINALLY, THEY PUT SO MANY WE CAN CHANGE THIS AND CHANGE THAT. WE CAN DO THIS.
WE HAVE TO DO THAT. IT MADE IT FINANCIALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR HIM TO CONSIDER AND HE ABANDONED THE IDEA.
>> THE REASON IT IS ON HERE FOR DISCUSSION IS THAT THE CLOCK IS TICKING THE OWNERS WANT TO DEMO THE BUILDING, THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY, AND WE TALKED ORIGINALLY ABOUT A JULY
>> JUNE/JULY. I ASKED THE CITY MANAGER WE HAVE NO INCHING OF PAPER OF ANY COMMITMENT, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> CORRECT. SO CAN YOU TAKE US THROUGH WHAT YOU AND I DISCUSSED YESTERDAY MORNING ON THE DIFFERENT SPINNING PLATES I FORGET THE OTHER --
>> FLAMING CHAIN SAWS. >> YES, FIRST AND FOREMOST THE CITY HAS NO SKIN, PER SAY, IN THE MOVEMENT OF THE BUILDING.
THIS IS AN ONGOING CONVERSATION BETWEEN THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER AND OTHER INTERESTED PARTIES WHICH THE CITY IS NOT SPECIFICALLY ONE. THERE APPEARS TO BE ANOTHER PROPRIETOR INTERESTED OR INVESTORS INTERESTED IN RE LOCATING THAT BUILDING TO SERVE AS A -- THE NEXT VERSION, GENERATION OF ATLANTIC SEAFOOD. THAT WOULD REQUIRED OR PLANNED TO MOVE THAT BUILDING TO A YET TO BE IDENTIFIED, I MEAN DELINEATED PARCEL SOUTH OF ATLANTIC SEAFOOD.
IF YOU GO BACK TO THE CONCEPTUAL SKETCH THE PARK CONCEPT, THERE WERE TWO BUILDINGS, ONE JUST SOUTH OF THE BOAT RAMP, ANOTHER ONE FURTHER SOUTH, WHAT IS INTENDED OR IS BEING DISCUSSED IS THE RELOCATION OF THE 231 NORTH FRONT STREET STRUCTURE TO THE NORTHERN ONE JUST SOUTH OF THE ATLANTIC SEAFOOD AND BE REHABILITATED TO SERVE AS A NEW ATLANTIC SEAFOOD.
THERE WOULD BE -- THE CITY IS IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE LEASEHOLDER FOR ATLANTIC SEAFOOD. WE'RE DOING THE BOARD WALK.
THERE ARE PROVISIONS THAT WE CAN SPEAK MORE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THAT PROVIDE FOR EITHER THE RE0 LOCATION OR THE EXPANSION OF ATLANTIC SEAFOOD IF THE CITY WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE BOARD WALK WHICH AFFECTS THE EXISTING PROPERTY.
THERE IS THEN THE TRANSFER OR THE ASSIGNMENT OF REVISED LEASE, WE'RE DISCUSSING WITH THE CURRENT LEASEHOLDER, TO THE OTHER INTERESTED INVESTOR. SO, THE TIMING OF, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD ON OUR END AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE TO RENEGOTIATE THE LEASE, PERHAPS SIGN THE LEASE AND I WAS IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE SURVEYOR OF DELINEATING THE LOT WHICH THAT BUILDING WOULD BE RELOCATED. THE MOVEMENT, THE TRANSFER OF THAT BUILDING, THAT'S BETWEEN THE PRIVATE PROPERTIES OR
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PRIVATE PARTIES INVOLVED. SO -->> WHAT IS THE ORDER OF THE PROCESS HERE, WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN
FIRST? >> WE DISCUSSED TRANSFERRING THE LEASE FIRST FROM THE LEASE HOLDER TO THE PERSPECTIVE -- PROSPECTIVE LEASEHOLDER AND THEN NEGOTIATING IT AND THE TERMS FOR THE LEASEHOLDER. THAT'S THE FIRST THING THAT IS
LIKELY TO HAPPEN. >> AND IS THERE A DOCUMENT WHERE THE NEW LEASEHOLDER COMMITS TO TAKING THE BILLING?
>> NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF, NOT FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE AND THERE ARE DISCUSSIONS BUT THE CITY IS NOT PARTY TO THOSE
DISCUSSIONS. >> THIS IS A LEGAL QUESTION.
SO, THIS IS -- THIS IS A PRIVATE BUILDING?
THANK YOU. >> WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WE HAVE EXCHANGED PRELIMINARY TERMS FOR THE REVISED LEASE AND THOSE WILL COME BEFORE YOU AS PART OF THE REVICED LEASE AGREEMENT AND THE TRANSFER. OUR HOPE IS THAT WE'LL DO BOTH OF THOSE AT THE SAME CITY COMMISSION MEETING.
>> VICE MAYOR? >> WELL I WOULD SUGGEST WE HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT PROVED ANYTHING AT THAT PARK OTHER THAN WHAT WENT OUT TO BID THIS MORNING THE STABILIZATION AND WE HAVEN'T APPROVED THAT DRAWING AT ALL.
WHEN YOU MOVE A BUILDING AND TAKE THE LEASE OF 1200 FEET.
THEYTHEY'RE ASKING FOR 900, THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE THAT WE AS A COMMISSION HAVE TO BE INVOLVED IN.
I WILL NOT GET IN -- I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH GIVING THAT BIG OF A LEASE AND LETTING THEM DO IT ANYWAYS.
BUT WE CONCEPTUALLY WE HAVEN'T DECIDED WHAT TO DO AND MOVE FORWARD. I BELIEVE THAT'S THE RESPONSIBILITY EVER THE COMMISSION.
SO, YOU KNOW -- THERE IS A TIMEFRAME ON THAT BUILDING AND BUT I THINK THAT -- YOU KNOW, THE IT WAS THIS MORNING.
I THINK THERE WAS 3, 4 BID IRS AND THAT TOOK, THAT IS WHAT WE APPROVED AND THAT'S THE CONCEPT WE APPROVED.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO MOVE THE BUILDINGS IN.
WE NEED TO APPROVE THAT. THAT'S.
>> THAT'S A POINT WELL TAKEN. >> ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON THAT?
>> IF I OFFER A POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
>> 9000. >> AND, FOR A BIT OF BACKGROUND NOT FOR YOU SINCE WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS BUT MORE FOR THE VIEWING PUBLIC, WHAT IS BEING LOOKED AT WE HAD THE PROPERTY SURVEYED THE PROPERTY BETWEEN THE BOAT RAMP AND THE DOCKS THAT GO OUT THE DINGHY DOCK THERE IS AN ELECTRICAL CORAL, THE AREA BETWEEN THE FEATURES HAS APPROXIMATELY 28,000 SQUARE FEET OF UP LANDS PROPERTY. THE INTENT IS, WE HAVE LOOKED AT SOMEBODY LEASING THE 28,000. I GOT AN AN APPRAISAL TO LEASE ALL 28,000. AN ESTIMATED COST TO DIVIDE THAT 8000 INTO TWO, TWO 14,000 SQUARE LOTS AND A MARKET VALUE RATE OF THREE -- 9000 SQUARE FEET LOTS. WHAT THE LEASEHOLDER IS EXPRESSING ONE OF THE 9000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS THAT LEAVES -- LEAVES 18,000 UNDEVELOPED FOR UNSPOKEN FOR AT THIS TIME.
BUT THE VICE MAYOR IS CORRECT, I WILL HAVE THE PARCEL BOUNDARY DETERMINED FOR THAT. IF WE WANT TO DIVIDE THAT.
THAT HAS TO GO THROUGH HTC. THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS TOSSED IN THE AIR TO COME BEFORE ANYTHING HAPPENS THERE.
>> AND MY CONCERN IS THAT YOU'RE DOING AN AMOUNT OF WORK ON SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT BEEN DECIDED YET.
>> RIGHT. >> TO THE VICE MAYOR'S POINT.
WE HAVE NOT COMMITTED WHAT TO DO WITH THOSE PARCELS THAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING. COMMISSIONER ROSS?
>> SOMEONE COMES AND HAS A PLAN.
HOW DO YOU BUILD THINGS. IS THAT IN SOMEONE'S HEAD.
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SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO PUT IN THE TIME AND EFFORT AND WE HAVE A LEASEHOLDER SOMEONE WHO WILL TAKE OVER THE LEASE.A BUILDING THAT'S AVAILABLE. AND THE TIME AND MONEY AND EFFORT. AND THEY COME AND WE LOOK AT IT AT THAT TIME. THEY MAY SAY NO OR YES THAT SPECULATIVE AND IT NEVER HAPPENS.
>> I'M ALL FOR LETTING THIS PERCOLATE.
WILL THIS HAPPEN? THAT DEPENDS ON HOW TOLERANT THE PEOPLE WHO WHO WANT TO TEAR DOWN THE BUILDING IT IS NOT ALL GOING
TO HAPPEN BY JUNE. >> THAT'S CORRECT.
>> VICE MAYOR, THE LAST POINT THEY HAVE BEEN TOLERANT THEY CAME IN OCTOBER AND WANTED TO TEAR IT DOWN.
>> ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS? >> SO THAT'S THE UPDATE ON THE 231. WE HAVE FOUR MINUTES, WE WILL RECESS, HOW ABOUT A TEN MINUTE BREAK.
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS IS ASKING FOR A TEN-MINUTE BREAK.
6:05 WE WILL COMMENCE
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.