Apr 15, 2021 Historic District Council

[1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF QUORUM]

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. >>> WELCOME. PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.

>> VISIT CHAIR MORRISON IS NOT HERE, WE NEED TO SEAT ALTERNATE MS. DUNCAN, AND MR. POE ZETA WILL BE RECUSING HIMSELF FROM ONE OF THE ARGUMENTS ON THE AGENDA.

WE'LL NEED TO USE MR. ESPOSSA. I WOULD LIKE THE BOARD TO SEAT BOTH OF THESE PEOPLE FROM THE APPROPRIATE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, BY VOICE VOTE, ALL IN FAVOR SAY YES.

VOTE VOTE. >> MR.-- YOU'LL BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE DISCUSSIONS AND ASK QUESTIONS OF ANYBODY, AND THE ONLY THING YOU CAN'T DO IS VOTE.

THANK YOU. PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

[3. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]

>> I HAVE ONE CORRECTION THAT I NOTED UNDER BOARD BUSINESS. THE HINTS REFLECT MEMBERS, THE EXTERIOR RENOVATIONS WERE BEING PERFORMED TO THE STRUCTURE 408 SOUTH A STREET.

I BELIEVE THAT WAS 408B STREET. THAT'S CORRECT. >> WILL YOU MAKE THAT

CORRECTION, PLEASE. >> YES, SIR. >> ANY OTHER CORRECTIONS.

>> I WOULD APPRECIATE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> NOTE TO APPROVE.

>> THANK YOU. >> IS THERE A SECRETARY? >> SECOND.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.

>> WILL YOU TELL US ABOUT QUASI DO JUDICIAL ITEMS. >> THE ITEMS ON THE ITEM WILL BE CONDUCTED AS WAS SIGH JUDICIAL HEARINGS AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS FIRST THE CITY STAFF WILL MAKE A PRESENTATION AND INTRODUCE EVIDENCE INTO THE RECORD. HE MAY CALL ANY WITNESSES THAT HE WISHES AND THE APPLICANT OR THEIR AND/ORRERY AGENT WILL COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND IDENTIFY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU'LL BE PRESENTING EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY TO THE BOARD. BOTH PARTIES, THE PARTIES IN THIS CASE ARE THE CITY AND THE APPLICANT SO WHEN THE CHAIR ASKS YOU TO DISCLOSE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS IN ANY OF THE CASES TONIGHT, IF YOU SPOKE WITH CITY STAFF, IF YOU SPOKE WITH THE APPLICANT OR PERHAPS THEIR AGENT, THOSE ARE EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS THAT THE OTHER PARTY WASN'T PRESENT AND YOU'LL DISCLOSE THOSE AND IT IS NOT ENOUGH, WE JUST DON'T WANT TO THROW ANOTHER ETHICS TRAINING WHICH INCLUDED SOME OF THIS. IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO JUST SAY I ASKED SOME QUESTIONS OF CITY STAFF. YOU NEED TO DISCLOSE IN MORE DETAIL WHAT YOU DISCUSSED, WHAT QUESTIONS YOU ASKED. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AN HOUR'S CONVERSATION BUT IT SHOULD BE AS DETAILED AS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE KNOW THE BASIC CONTENT OF YOUR CONVERSATIONS.

SAME THING WITH THE APPLICANT. IF YOU SPOKE TO ANOTHER CITIZEN, IF YOU SPOKE TO A CITY COMMISSIONER, IF YOU SPOKE TO WHOEVER, SOMEBODY INTERESTED IN INVESTING DOWNTOWN, THEY'RE NOT A PARTY TO THIS CASE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO DISCLOSE THOSE COMMUNICATIONS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THIS BOARD, WE ALMOST ALWAYS HAVE SOME DISCLOSURE OF EXPAR DAY BUT IT HAS TO BE AS DETAILED AS YOU CAN. EX PARTE. AFTER THE PARTIES MAKE THEIR PRESENTATIONS AND INTRODUCE EVIDENCE INTO THE RECORD AS I SAID THEY CAN CALL WITNESSES.

THEY CAN CROSS-EXAM EACH OTHER'S WITNESSES AND THE CHAIR WILL ASK FOR OH INFECTED PARTIES TO COME FORWARD AND EYE DEN YOURSELF BY NAME . IN ADDITION TO CITY STAFF AND THE APPLICANT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO CROSS-EXAMINE OR ASK QUESTIONS OF ANY OF THE WITNESSES AND ANY OF THE PARTIES. IF THERE IS AN APPEAL OF ANY DECISION MADE BY THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL TONIGHT THAT APPEAL STILL GOES TO THE CITY COMMISSION.

THERE'S AN ORDINANCE THAT'S PENDING THAT'S ONLY PASSED FIRST READING AND WILL BE SCHEDULED

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TONIGHT. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? >> VARIANCES.

>> WE HAVE ONE. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE AND THE OTHER CASES, THEY ARE QUASI JUDICIAL, BUT HOW MANY MEMBERS DO YOU 92 ED TO VOTE TO APPROVE A VARIANCE.

FOURTH OUT OF THE FIVE MEMBERS OR SUPER MAJORITY MUST VOTE TO APPROVE A VARIANCE.

WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE SOMEBODY MAKES A MOTION TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE.

IF YOU VOTE YES YOU ARE APPROVING THE VARIANCE AND NEEDS TO BE FOUR OUT OF FIVE.

TO DENY THE VARIANCE, YOU NEED A SIMPLE MAJORITY, THREE OUT OF THE FIVE TO SAY YES TO THAT MOTION TO DENY TO PASS THAT MOTION. AND THAT IS UNDER OUR CITY CODE, NOT STATE LAW OR ANYTHING. THANK YOU, SAL, FOR THE REMINDER.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> YES.

>> DISCLOSURES, LET ME START FROM THE FLOOR, MR. SPINO. >> YES.

I HOPE YOU'LL MONITOR WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY. WE SPOKE WITH STAFF AND [INDISCERNIBLE] ABOUT SEVERAL CASES INCLUDING SEVERAL RULINGS AND [INDISCERNIBLE].

I THINK I ALSO SPOKE WITH THE [INDISCERNIBLE]. COUNCIL, JUST SO YOU KNOW, SOME OF US, ALMOST ALWAYS TALK TO STAFF ABOUT, SOMETIMES ALL OF THE CASES AND THAT'S PART OF OUR PREPARATION PROCESS BECAUSE WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT SAL HAS BEEN UP TO YOU.

THANK YOU. >> YES. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, WE TALKED ABOUT A MONTH AGO BY PHONE ABOUT THE [INDISCERNIBLE] AND TOLD THAT [INDISCERNIBLE] SPOKE WITH ANY

OF THE OTHER APPLICANTS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MS. DUNCAN? >> YES. I SPOKE IN A MEETING IN WHICH STAFF WAS PRESENT BRIEFLY ABOUT THE NORTH FRONT STREET PROJECT, ALTHOUGH WE DIDN'T DIRECTLY DISCUSS IT, AND I ALSO ASKED FOR SOME RESEARCH AND GUIDANCE, SOME ACCESS TO SOME RESEARCH

MATERIALS THAT WASN'T -- DIDN'T PERTAIN TO A SPECIFIC CASE. >> THANK YOU.

TAMMY? >> I SMOKE WITH [INDISCERNIBLE] ON 221006 REGARDING ZONING, AND 221-0005 ON WHAT WAS INCLUDED EXACTLY IN TONIGHT'S APPLICATION AND THAT'S IT.

>> THANK YOU. MR. POE ZETA? , I'LL BE ACTING A OWNER AGENT ON CASE 2021-00007, SO I'LL BE RECUSING MYSELF ON THAT PARTICULAR CASE.

>> THANK YOU. I TOO HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH SAL, ONE OF THE REASONS HE'S SO BUSY APPARENTLY, REVIEWING THE AGENDA FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING IN GENERAL.

I'VE ALSO HAD DISCUSSIONS TODAY WITH MR. CHISM, ABOUT A MUTUAL STORM WATER DRAINAGE ISSUE THAT WE'RE FIGHTING BUT HE HAS TOLD ME ABOUT THE ARRANGEMENTS THAT HE'S MADE FOR THE ITEM THAT IS

UNDER DISCUSSION THIS EVENING. >> I THINK WE ALL CALL THE EMAIL FROM MR. HORSLEY AS WELL,

REGARDIG HIS APPLICATION. >> INDEED. THANK YOU.

A COUPLE OF CHANGES TO THE AGENDA ORDER HERE. WE'RE FIRST GOING TO TAKE HDC2020-0030. EXCUSE ME. 2021-0002 WHICH IS -- DO I HAVE THIS RIGHT? IS A VARIANCE REQUEST AND IF THE VARIANCE DOES NOT GET APPROVED, GO BACK AND TAKE HDC2020-0030, AND AFTER THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE MR. WORSELY'S CASE,

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[5.1 HDCV 2021-0002 - CHISM DEVELOPMENT COMPANY INC., AGENT FOR CHERYL D'AMICO, 1021 SOMERUELUS STREET]

AND, SAL, PLEASE TELL US ABOUT THIS CASE. >> [INDISCERNIBLE].

>> EXCUSE ME? >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> SINCE THIS IS A QUASI JUDICIAL PROCEEDING, ANYONE WHO WILL SPEAK TONIGHT NEEDS TO BE UNDER OATH AND WOULD YOU PLEASE ADMINISTER THE OATH AND THOSE WHO INTEND TO SPEAK OR THOSE WHO EVEN THINK THEY MIGHT SPEAK, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HANDS. [OATH].

>> THANK YOU. SAL? >> THANK YOU.

>> BEAR WITH ME. I NEED TO GET THIS UP. SAL.

>> I WOULD TELL MR. [INDISCERNIBLE] THE SCREEN IS VISIBLE TO THE WORLD.

>> GOOD EVENING, I'M THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH. THIS IS PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1021 SIMMER RON STREET, LOCATED OLD FOUNDATION, ZONE OT 1, A VACANT PARCEL UNDER CONSTRUCTION. THIS REQUEST IS FOR A VARIANCE FROM LD C-SECTION EIGHT PO ZERO ONE, .01, .02J 2 TO ALLOW THE FRONT PORCH RECENTLY TO ENCROACH 2.5 FEET FROM THE SIDE YARD, A CHANGE IN THE SIDE YARD SET BACK.

WHEN LOOKING AT THIS CASE, THE REQUIREMENT IS A FIVE-FOOT VISIBILITY CORRIDOR WHICH IS BASICALLY A SIDE YARD SETBACK IN OLD TOWN. THE PROPOSED SET BACK WOULD BE 2.7 FEET FROM THAT PROPERTY LINE. WHEN LOOKING AT VARIANCES, THERE'S A NUMBER OF CRITERIA WHICH WE HAVE TO LOOK AT INCLUDING SPECIAL CONDITIONS, WHETHER SPECIAL CONDITIONS AND CIRCUMSTANCES EXIST WHICH ARE PECULIAR TO THE LAND OR STRUCTURE OR BUILDING INVOLVED AND WHICH ARE NOT APPLICABLE TO OTHER LANDS, STRUCTURES OR BUILDINGS IN THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT, SPECIAL CONDITIONS OR CIRCUMSTANCES DO NOT RESULT FROM THE ACTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AND ARE NOT BASED ON A DESIRE TO REDUCE DEVELOPMENT COSTS.

STAFF FINDS THAT ERRORS IN CONSTRUCTION DO NOT CONSTITUTE A SPECIAL CONDITION AS THEY ARE A RESULT OF THE ACTION OF THE APPLICANT. NUMBER TWO, SPECIAL PRIVILEGE, GRANTING THE VARIANCE DOES NOT CONFER UPON THE APPLICANT A SPECIAL PRIVILEGE THAT IS DENIED BY THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO OTHER LANDS, STRUCTURES OR BUILDINGS IN THE SAME SCOPING DISTRICT AND STAFF FINDS THAT NO -- THAT GRANTING THE VARIANCE WOULD CONFER A SPECIAL PRIVILEGE UPON THE APPLICANT WHICH IS DENIED BY THE LDC TO OTHER LAND, STRUCTURES OR BUILDINGS IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT. THREE, LITTAL INTERPRETATION THAT THE LITERAL INTERPRAYINGS OF THE PROVISIONS WOULD DEPRIVE THE APPLICANT OF RIGHTS COMMONLY ENJOYED BY OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT. STAFF FINDS A LITERAL INTERPRETATION WOULD NOT DEPRIVE THE APPLICANT OF THOSE RIGHTS. FOUR, THAT MINIMUM VARIANCE, THAT THIS VARIANCE REQUESTED IS THE MINIMUM VARIANCE NEEDED TO MAKE POSSIBLE THE REASONABLE USE OF THE LAND, STRUCTURE OR BUILDING, AND STAFF FINDS THAT NO VARIANCE IS NEEDED TO MAKE POSSIBLE THE REASONABLE USE OF THIS LAND, STRUCTURE OR BUILDING. FIVE, GENERAL HARMONY, THAT GRANTING THE VOWIANCE WILL BE IN HARMONY WITH THE GENERAL INTENT AND PURPOSE OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND COMPREHENSIVE BLAN. STAFF FINDS GRANTING THE VARIANCE IS NOT IN HAR HARMONY- SIX, PUBLIC INTERESTING, GRANTING THE VARIANCE IS COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND WON'T CAUSE INJURY TO THE AREA INVOLVED OR OTHERWISE BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY WELFARE OR ENVIRONMENT.

STAFF FINDS THAT GRANTING THE VARIANCE IS NOT COMPATIBLE AND IS NOT IN THE PUBLIC INTERESTING. GRANNING IT WOULD PLACE THE FORGE FOUNDATION 2.7 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. SO WITH THAT, SINCE IT DOES NOT MEET ALL SIX CRITERIA, STAFF MUST REMEDY MYAL AND STAFF DOES REMEDY MYAL OF HDCB2021-02. THANK YOU.

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>> THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR SAL. >> IS THERE A DRAWING OR ANYTHING THAT DEPICTS EXACTLY WHERE THIS ENCROACHMENT OCCURS? SO WE CAN HAVE A VISUAL ON HOW

FAR OVER IT IS. >> THE AS-BUILT FOUNDATION SHOWS IT PRETTY WELL.

>> THERE WE GO. THE RED LINE YOU SEE THERE IS WHERE IT WAS APPROVED TO BE BUILT. IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING IT IT WAS INADVERTENTLY SHIFTED AND SO NOW THIS IS THE CURRENT FOUNDATION SURVEY THAT WAS BUILT WHERE IT IS AND THAT OTHER RED LINE REPS ON THE RIGHT WHERE THAT PORCH FOUNDATION WOULD HAVE BEEN -- REPRESENTS ON THE RIGHT

WHERE THAT PORCH FOUNDATION WOULD HAVE BEEN. >> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF

STAFF? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, SAL, SO THE REQUEST TO [INDISCERNIBLE] THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION, [INDISCERNIBLE] THE STRUCTURE WOULD HAVE BEEN THE

[INDISCERNIBLE] AND THE [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> GRANTING THE VARIANCE.

>> [INDISCERNIBLE] I'M ASKING IF 2020-0030 WOULD ACCOMMODATE [INDISCERNIBLE].

>> YES. THAT REQUEST, THE APPLICANT WOULD PREFER TO GET THE VARIANCE TO BUILD THE FOUNDATION WHERE IT IS, OR TO LEAVE THE FOUNDATION WHERE IT IS AND BUILD THE PORCH AT ITS CORE RUNT LOCATION INTO THAT ENCROACHMENT BUT IF THE BOARD DOES NOT, THAT CASE THEN LOOKS AT REDUCING THE SIZE OF THAT PORCH SO THAT IT DOES FALL WITHIN THE SETBACK.

>> THAT WOULD BE FOR EIGHT FEET OR FIVE FEET. >> FIVE FEET.

ONE OF THE THINGS TO LOOK TO NOTE THERE IS THAT REPPED U-SHAPE THERE IS THE FIREPLACE

BUMP-OUT. >> . >> AND THE PORCH TO FIVE FEET?

JUST OVER FIVE FEET? >> YEAH. >> OKAY.

AND I WAS YOU THERE [INDISCERNIBLE] IT LOOKED TO ME LIKE THERE'S BEEN NO CONSTRUCTION WITHIN TWO AND A HALF FEET THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

>> CORRECT. >> SO [INDISCERNIBLE] PORCH WITHIN THE FIVE FEET SETBACK AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT [INDISCERNIBLE] SAL SAID THAT FIVE-FOOT PORCH, THAT'S GOING TO BE SMALL AND I WAS SITTING ON MY PORCH WITH THAT CONVERSATION AND [INDISCERNIBLE].

>> MR. CHISM, PLEASE COME AND PRESENT THIS CASE. >> YES.

AS YOU CAN SEE WE HAD AN OFFSET WHEN WE ORIGINALLY DID THE FOUNDATION INSTEAD OF MOVING THE OFFSET IN THE PROPER DIRECTION, AND THEY MOVED IT IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION WHICH CAUSED THE ISSUE TO BEGIN WITH. THIS IS A PORCH SO IT IS AN OPEN PORCH EVEN THOUGH IT IS SCREENED SO YOUR VISUAL LINE SHOULD NOT BE INTERRUPTED THAT MUCH. IT'S APPROXIMATELY 50 SQUARE FEET OF PORCH THAT WOULD BE IN THE SETBACK AREA, IF LEFT AS IT IS.

AS FAR AS THE SIGHT LINE, THE 45 DEGREES ON THAT SURVEY YOU SEE IS THE ACTUALLY SIGHT LINE.

THIS LOWER PORTION THERE SO REGARD ALSO, MEETS THE SIGHT LINE EACH WAY BECAUSE THE ANGLE WON'T CHANGE. IT WILL SHORT WERE SHOULD WE NOT BE ABLE TO KEEP IT WHERE IT IS

RIGHT NOW. >> I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THIS ERROR CAME ABOUT.

>> WHEN THE SURVEYOR SET THE PINS THEY DID AN OFFSET AND IT WAS TO BE 18 INCHES.

NOT ONLY DID THEY MOVE THE 18 INCHES IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.

THEY DID IT PRICE. SO IT ACTUALLY SHIFTED OVER 30 TIMES THE EAST VERSUS THE WEST.

>> THE SURVEYOR? >> THE PINS. IT'S OKAY.

WE'RE GETTING THERE. THE OWNERS UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH AND I SAW THE APPLICANT FOR NEXT DOOR AND THEY'LL HAVE A COUPLE EXTRA FEET ON THE WEST SIDE VERSUS THE EAST SIDE BUT IF WE CAN LEAVE IT WHERE IT IS IT'S OBVIOUSLY EASIER BUT IF NOT THEN SHORTENING THE PORCH, IT'S A LITTLE LESS THAN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THERE, IT'S 2-7.

WE EXPLAINED WHAT THE SITUATION WAS TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND WE DID NOT BUILD.

WE STOPPED ANY CONSTRUCTION IN THAT AREA OF THE FIVE-FOOT SETBACK SO OTHER THAN WHAT WAS

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>> HOW WOULD YOU PREVENT THE OCCURRENCE? NOT FOR YOU.

>> ACTUALLY I'VE NEVER HAD IT. THIS IS EITHER THE FIRST OR SECOND TIME THAT I'VE HAD A FOUNDATION SURVEY IN THE CITY. I'VE NEVER HAD THIS ISSUE EVER. I'VE BEEN HERE 30-SOME ODD YEARS, OVER 40-SOME ODD YEARS IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY AND I'VE NEVER BEEN, NOT EVEN A QUARTER OF AN INCH OFF, SO NOT TO PICK THIS UP -- IT'S ENTIRELY ON ME REGARDLESS OF THE FOUNDATION OR THE SURVEYOR DID, IT FALLS ENTIRELY ON ME AND THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TONIGHT.

IT WAS A MESS-UP. THE OWNERS ARE AWARE OF IT. [INDISCERNIBLE] THEY WERE OKAY

WITH WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. IT'S JUST THAT WE'RE HERE. >> ARE THEY AWARE?

>> YES. THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT IT LITERALLY BROUGHT IT TO SAL AND

THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND WE WERE ABLE TO. >> BUT I'M SAYING THE SURVEYOR

[INDISCERNIBLE]. >> YEAH. HE'S AWARE OF EVERYTHING, THAT'S

CORRECT, YES, SIR. >> . >> THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> WHEN THEY DID THE FOUNDATION SURVEY, HOW FAR ALONG IS THAT?

IS THAT JUST A FOOT OR BLOCKS? >> A BLOCK HAS TO BE UP IN ORDER TO GET THE FOUNDATION.

>> SO THE SLAB BOARD IS NOT [INDISCERNIBLE] AT THE SURVEY. >> AT THE SURVEY, NO.

IT WAS BEING BOARDED. >> WHEN THE ERROR WAS DISCOVERED AND IT FALLS ON THE SURVEYOR.

>> RIGHT. >> A DECISION. >> FALLS ON THE CONTRACTOR, BUT

YES. >> THERE'S TWO DECISIONS THERE. AND TO PROCEED AND THEN SEEK A

VARIANCE AND/OR -- [CROSSTALK] . >> AND THE -- [CROSSTALK] . >> OR KEEP IT AS APPROVED AND

MOVE THE. >> MOVE THE PORCH WALL. >> KEEP THE WHOLE BUILDING AND

MOVE THE WHOLE FOUNDATION, THAT -- [CROSSTALK] . >> SO THERE'S TWO WAYS TO GO.

>> AT THAT TIME, YES. >> ALL RIGHT. >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION ALSO.

I NOTICED ON THE SITE PLAN THAT THERE'S AN OAK TREE IN THE FRONT THAT IF WE MOVE THE ENTRY PATH WALKWAY THE SAME AMOUNT THAT THE WHOLE HOUSE WAS SHIFTED OVER AND NOW THE TREE'S GOING TO BE IN

THAT WALKWAY PATH -- [CROSSTALK] . >> NO.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO LOSE THE TREE I GUESS IS WHAT I'M ASKING. >> WELL,, NO.

I SAVED THAT TREE. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE TAKEN OUT AND I ALSO SAVED ONE IN THE DRIVEWAY, SO WE SAVED TWO 20-PLUS-INCH TREES THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE REMOVED.

>> I'M TALKING ABOUT THE NINE-INCH -- [CROSSTALK] . >> WE TOOK THAT ONE AND LEFT

ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS SOMEWHERE IN HERE. >> -- [CROSSTALK] .

>> YES. >> WHAT WE'RE PLANNING ON DOING IS STAIR, LANDING, AND WE HAVE

HAD TO DO THAT IN A NUMBER OF CASES, CASCADING. >> WHAT IS THAT THING THAT LOOKS

LIKE A SEWER PIPE? >> JUST A [INDISCERNIBLE] AT THE TIME.

>> IT NEEDED TO BE RAISED IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THE GRADING.

WE TRY TO PUT IT IN AHEAD OF TIME. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE

APPLICANT. >> I UNDERSTAND WE DON'T MAKE ANY OF THE CRITERIA.

I READY SAL'S REPORT. >> NOBODY EVER DOES. >> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE

THAT WE -- I WAS GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. >> THANK YOU.

>> ON THAT POINT, MR. CHISM SHOWED UP WITH SAL AS SOON AS IT WAS DISCOVERED, AND THE -- A SURVEYOR ERROR IS QUITE RARE BUT IT DOES HAPPEN. HE SHOULD BE COMMENDED FOE GETTING ON THE PHONE. IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS IF YOU STAND OUT THERE, WHERE THE PIN IS.

>> I'LL OPEN THE HEARING TO THE PUBLIC. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE OR PERHAPS EVEN ONLINE, SAL? ANYBODY ONLINE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS CASE?

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NOBODY IN THE ROOM? >> THERE'S NOBODY ON THE LINE. >> NOBODY LINE.

THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. BOARD MEMBERS, DISCUSSION? >> SO I'M GOING TO SAY THAT I APPLAUD WAYNE FOR DOING WHAT HE DID AND COMING IN AND THEN ON THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT, HE REALLY DIDN'T HAVE MUCH OF A CHOICE BECAUSE THIS IS A BIG ERROR AND IT'S A BUMMER.

IT'S A BIG BUMMER ON EVERYBODY. NOT MEANING ANY ONE OF THE SIX CRITERIA, NOT MEETING ANY ONE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD COMPEL ME TO APPROVE A VARIANCE WITH ZERO OF THE CRITERIA MET.

TO SUPPORT THE CITY AND WHAT WE'RE DOING AND TO SUPPORT THE BOARD WE HAVE TO BE VERY STRONG ABOUT NOT HANDING OUT A VARIANCE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THE BIGGER PORCH.

THEY HAD THE CHOICE. THEY COULD HAVE HELD THE SURVEYOR TO THE DOLLARS AND MOVED THE FOOTING STRUCTURE OR THEY COULD HAVE MOVED THE WHOLE THING AND STILL HAVE THEIR BUILDING AS PLANNED AND APPROVED, THEY CHOSE TO MOVE AHEAD WITH THE FRAMING ON EVERYTHING EXCEPT THAT AREA AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SEE WHICH WAY IT WENT.

I CAN'T BE CONVINCED AND I WOULD VOTE TO DENY. >> I CONCUR.

>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> I'D CONCUR AS WELL BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S INCUMBENT UPON US AS A BOARD TO ARTICULATE WHY WE WOULD CHOOSE TO SAY YES ON EACH OF THOSE ITEMS AND I WOULD BE HARD-PRESSED TO SAY YES ON ANY OF THEM LET ALONE COME UP WITH A REASON TO SAY YES ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM SO I'M ALSO GOING TO AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT, TAMMY.

>> OKAY. IS THERE A MOTION TO BE MADE? >> I MOVE TO DENY HDC CASE NO.

HDCV2021-02 WITHOUT CONDITIONS AND I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACTS AND CONCLUSIONS AS PART OF THE RECORD, THAT AS PRESENTED IS NOT SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE CITY'S DEVELOPMENT CODE AND COMPREHENSIVE FLOOR TO WARRANT APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.

>> PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. A YET VOTE WILL DENY IT. >> .

>> WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND. [VOTE] >> LET'S MOVE NOW TO CASE

[4.1 HDC 2020-0030 - CHISM DEVELOPMENT COMPANY INC., AGENT FOR CHERYL D'AMICO, 1021 SOMERUELUS STREET ]

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THIS IS HDC, AN MEMORIAL DAY MEANT TO HDC2020-30, SAME PROPERTY, 1021SOMERUELUS STREET IN OLD TOWN, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO MODIFY THE APPROVED PLAN TO AVOID THE INTRUSION INTO THE SETBACK WHICH REDUCES THE PORCH TO FIVE FEET.

STAFF FINDS THAT PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS COMPATIBLE WITH OLD TIME HISTORIC FERNANDINA BEACH HISTORIC DISTRICT AND STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL TO THIS AMENDMENT OF HDC2020-30.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR SAL?

>> I HAVE ONE. NEVER MIND. >> WE'LL SHOW YOU WHAT THAT

LOOKS LIKE. IT'S THIS SECTION OF PORCH. >> [INDISCERNIBLE].

>> ; THE ROOF LINE, I BELIEVE. >> [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE

FROM THE FRONT. >> JUST A SHORTER SIDE. I DON'T ACTUALLY THINK THE

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>> [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> CHANGE -- [CROSSTALK] . >> YES.

>> IT WILL LINE UP [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> I THINK THAT WORKS FOR ME.

>> SAL, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU HERE. >> SURE.

>> WE'RE DISCUSSING THE SETBACK ISSUE BUT THE RESULTS OF A QUESTION THAT THE BUILDING ITSELF IS NOT IN THE RIGHT PLACE. WOULD THIS CASE [INDISCERNIBLE].

>> YES. WOULD BE IMPROVING THE NEW PLAN WHICH SHIFTS THE BUILDING

AND REDUCES THE SIDE YARD PORCH. >> [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> SURE.

>> YES. >> MR. CHISM, TELL US ABOUT THAT.

>> TO GO BACK ONE STEP, MR. CHISM, I WOULDN'T APPROVE THE VARIANCE.

IT DIDN'T MEET THE CRITERIA. THIS HOWEVER DOES MEET THE SETBACKS AND MOVES EVERYTHING BACK INTO SHAPE. IT WILL BASICALLY LOOK THE SAME FROM A PERSON DRIVING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. THE SIGHT LINE IS NOW BACK WHERE IT BELONGS AND IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO IN ORDER TO MAKE IT RIGHT AGAIN. WE'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED BECAUSE WE WEREN'T SURE WHICH WAY THIS WAS GOING TO GO, WE'VE SUBMITTED THE REVISED PLANS TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TWO WEEKS AGO. SO DEPENDING ON HOW THIS WENT THIS EVENING WAS HOW WE WOULD PROCEED WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

NOTHING'S REALLY CHANGED OTHER THAN THE SIZE. >> I HAVE TO STEP BACK A LITTLE

TOO AND ASK YOU TO. >> 96047, GREAT POINT BEACH ROAD, FERNANDINA.

>> THANK YOU. >> ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS.

ANY ONLINE? >> NO ONE LINE FOR THIS CASE. >> IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE CASE? SEEING NONE I CLOSE THE PUBLIC

HEARING AND WE MOVE INTO BOARD DISCUSSION. >> I MOVE TO APPROVE HDC2020-0030 AND WITHOUT CONDITIONS AND I MOVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACTS AND CONCLUSION OF LAW PART OF RECORD, THAT CASE 2020-0030 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC STANDARDS TO WARRANT APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.

>> THANK YOU. >> SECOND. >> THE MOTION IS MADE AND

SECONDED. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? >> I'LL MAKE ONE CORRECTION TO THE MOTION. IT'S THE -- IT WOULD BE THE OLD TOWN GUIDELINES.

>> SORRY. I THINK WE DID THAT ON THE LAST ONE.

>> NEW FURTHER DISCUSSION. >> IT'S NOT CONCEPTUAL. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU READ THAT

INTO THE RECORD. >> SORRY. TO WARRANT FINAL APPROVAL AT

THIS TIME. SORRY. >> IS MAT MOTION ACCEPTABLE?

>> YES, SIR. >> WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL IT. [VOTE]

>> THANK YOU, MR. CHISM. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO MR. WORSELY'S CASE.

IS HE AVAILABLE? IF HE'S IN THE BUILDING. >> YES, I AM.

[5.6 HDC 2021-0009 - GRANT WORSLEY, 504 BEECH STREET]

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> HDC CASE 2021-0009, GRANT

WORSELY, 504 BEACH STREET. INTRODUCE THIS CASE. >> HDC2021-0009, 504 BEACH STREET A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT BUILT IN '004, ZONED R 2.

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WITH NEW MATERIALS COMING BEFORE THE BOARD WE ALWAYS LOOK TO GET AS MUCH INFORMATION AS POSSIBLE ABOUT THE NEW MATERIALS AND CONSIDER THEM SO THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TIMES WHERE STAFF DOES NOT -- STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE BOARD HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT AND THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PRODUCT IS ACTUALLY GRACIOUSLY TRAVELED TO BE WITH US E PRESENT TO US SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THAT PRODUCT. STAFF DOESN'T HAVE A RECOMMENDATION UNTIL WE HEAR ABOUT THE PRODUCT. SOME OF THE THINGS, WITH ANY NEW PRODUCT THAT WE LOOK AT ARE COMPATIBILITY WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND DURABILITY OF THAT MATERIAL AND THE LONG-TERM SUCCESS IN THE DISTRICT. WITH THAT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE APPLICANT AND THE PRESENTER.

>> ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. >> YOU WERE GOING TO REACH OUT TO RESOURCES TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY USE OF THIS PRODUCT IN ANY OF THE HISTORICS THAT YOU WERE AWARE OF.

>> BEING A CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENT WE'RE IN CONTACT WITH ALL OF OUR OTHER CERTIFIED LOCAL GOVERNMENTS OF THE STATE SO THE STATE COORDINATOR DID PUT AN EMAIL OUT ON THEIR LIST SERVED TO ASK EIGHT WE DIDN'T GET ANY RESPONSE BACK -- AND WE DIDN'T GET ANY RESPONSE BACK FROM ANY CLGS, BUT MAYBE OUR REPRESENT COULD TELL US WHERE WE WOULD SEE THAT OTHER PRODUCT.

>> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> LET'S HEAR FROM THE

ARCHITECT, MR. WORSELY. >> THANK YOU. I'M GRANT WORSELY, 504 BEACH STREET AND I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE A FULL AGENDA THIS EVENING SO I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE UP MUCH OF YOUR TIME OTHER THAN TO THANK YOU FOR VOLUNTEERING YOUR TIME TO BE ON THIS BOARD BECAUSE I'VE ALSO VOLUNTEERED MY TIME REGARDING THE HISTORIC DISTRICT BUT UNDERSTANDING MR. FRANK HAS DRIVEN DOWN THIS EVENING FROM ATLANTA AND I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE HIM THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME THAT IS AVAILABLE TO DEAL WITH THIS. SO THANK YOU AGAIN.

>> DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? >> YES, SIR.

WHY DID YOU WANT TO GO IN THIS DIRECTION? [INDISCERNIBLE].

>> TWO REASONS. ONE OF THEM IS I GOT A NOTICE FROM MY INSURANCE COMPANY THAT THE RATES ARE GOING TO GO UP CONSIDERABLY AND THEY CAN RE-EVALUATE ROOF STRUCTURES BASED ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE STYLE OF THE ROOF AND WHAT YOU HAVE MORE IMPORTANTLY IS THE COVERING OF THE ROOF. I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND IN BUILDING TRADES, IF YOU WILL, AND ANYTHING THAT IS CERTIFIED BY MIAMI-DADE COUNTY IS THE CADILLAC OF CERTIFICATIONS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

AND IF YOU FOLLOWED WHAT'S GOING ON, THE INSURANCE, THEY WANT TO PIECEMEAL AND THEY ALMOST WANT YOU TO GET A SUPPLEMENTAL INSURANCE POLICY JUST FOR YOUR ROOF.

SO I PUT OUT -- I'M ALL IN. I WENT OVERBOARD WITH WHAT WE TYPICALLY WOULD BE A BUDGET FOR THIS TO GIVE MYSELF PEACE OF MIND THAT I'M GOING TO HAVE -- I GREW YOU HERE.

I'M FROM ATLANTIC BEACH, CLASS OF '59, FLETCHER CLASS OF '65 AND I'VE SEEN SOME STORMS COME.

I HAVEN'T SEEN BILLIONS WASHED AWAY BUT A LOT OF ROOFS COME OFF.

I JUST AS SOON AVOID THIS MAYHEM THAT COMES ABOUT WITH ROOFS TORN OFF AND RAIN COMING INTO YOUR

HOUSE. PENNYS TO THE WISE. >> DO YOU HAVE ASPHALT CHECK ON

THAT? >> YES. >> DID YOU EXPLORE METAL.

>> I LOOKED AT METAL BUT I THINK IT'S APPLICABLE TO THE STYLE THAT I HAVE.

I HAVE A CRAFTSMAN STYLE HOUSE AND WHERE I LIVE I HAVE METAL ROOFS BESIDE ME AND IN FRONT OF ME THAT AREN'T LOOKING SO GOOD. SYNTHETIC MATERIALS LIKE THESE SHINGLES HERE IS LIKE WOOD.

ALL WOOD IS NOT THE SAME. ALL METAL IS NOT THE SAME AND SO I SEE RUSTY, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE ROOFS AROUND ME AND I WANT SOMETHING THAT WILL OUTLAST MY LIFETIME.

I'M IN MY 70S. I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE ASIDE HERE.

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WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO. YOU HAVE GOT RAIN AND WATER COMING IN YOUR HOUSE.

IT'S A HORRIBLE SITUATION. SO ANYHOW, YOU KNOW, THAT'S IT. I DON'T THINK ACTUALLY -- I TAKE GREAT PRIDE IN MY HOUSE, FITTING IN TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT BUT I DON'T THINK THE METAL ROOFS ARE THE ANSWER TO EVERYTHING. I HAD ANOTHER HOUSE, A QUEEN ANNE STYLE, AND A METAL ROOF

WOULD LOOK BAD. >> YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING FOR THE EXPENSIVE CADILLAC BRAND, I WAS CURIOUS IF THIS WAS ECONOMIC DECISION OR DID A COST ANALYSIS BETWEEN METAL AND THIS COMPOSITE

OR IF IT WAS MORE AN AESTHETIC DECISION. >> TRUST ME, THE MONEY DECISION,

IT WASN'T PART OF IT. I'M PUTTING A LOT INTO THIS. >> PERHAPS YOU COULD INTRODUCE

YOUR GUEST. >> THIS GENTLEMAN WAS GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO COME DOWN AT MY

REQUEST FOR ATLANTA AND WANTS TO GO HOME TONIGHT. >> THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> MIKE FRANK.

I'M ONE OF THE TERRITORY MANAGERS FOR DE VINCI ROOF SKATES.

>> YOUR ADDRESS. >> MARIETTA, GEORGIA. >> MORE SPECIFICALLY.

>> 30556 WHOLEMAN CIRCLE. >> THANK YOU. THE FLOOR IS YOURS.

>> THE DA VINCI ROOF, WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD, BETTER BEST. WE HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT PROFILES OF SYNTHETIC CEDAR SHAKE AND THREE DIFFERENT PROFILES OF SYNTHETIC SLATE BUT WE HAVE A GOOD, BETTER BEST IN TERMS OF HOW IT PERFORMS. IT'S ALL MADE THE SAME WAY, POLYMER-BASED, SYNTHETIC ROOFING, IT'S A GENERIC TERM. ANYTHING THAT IS NOT AUTHENTIC TO CEDAR. TO BE SYNTHETIC IS EXACTLY THAT BUT IT BAN BE MADE IN DIFFERENT WAYS. DA VINCI IS A PCC-BASED PRODUCT. IT'S A 50 YEAR LIMITED LIFETIME WARRANTY. THEY ALL HAVE A GRADING OF 110 MILES PER HOUR.

THEY HAVE A CLASS A FIRE RATING. THOUGH HAVE CLASS FOUR IMPACT RATE.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PROFILES IS SIZE AND APPEARANCE. THAT'S IT.

THERE'S VARYING COSTS THERE DEPENDING ON THE PROFILE BUT THEY ALL PERFORM THE SAME WAY.

IN THE INJECTED MODELED BUSINESS WE USE 100 PERCENT VIRGIN RAW MATERIALS IN ALL OF OUR TILE BECAUSING IN TAKES MORE VULNERABILITY THAN A ROOF. . IT WILL NOT PAID.

THE COLOR YOU PUT UP TODAY IS THE SAME THAT YOU CAN EXPECT YEARS FROM NOW.

SPECIFICALLY SHAKE AND SPECIFICALLY THIS ONE, THIS IS A NEW PROFILE THAT WE OFFERED TWO YEARS AGO WE LAUNCHED, NOT TO BE MISTAKEN AS A NEW PRODUCT. AGAIN, IT'S ALL MADE THE SAME WAY. IT'S JUST A NEW PROFILE SO THAT THE PRODUCT HAS ALWAYS BEEN TESTED THOROUGHLY THROUGHOUT FIELD INSTALLATION AND DA VINCI HAS BEEN AROUND FOR 22 YEARS.

OBVIOUSLY STARTED OFF IN KANSAS. I'VE BEEN WORKING FOR THEM FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS BUT I'VE BEEN IN PVC-BASED PRODUCTS PRETTY MY 23-YEAR CAREER. THIS IS PROBABLY, IN MY OPINION,

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LIKE I SAID, WE ARE WARRANTIED TO 110 BUT WE ARE MIAMI-DADE COUNTY APPROVED AND THAT'S LIKE THE NEW YORK CITY OF BUILDING CODES. WHEN YOU GET APPROVED THERE YOU'RE APPROVED EVERYWHERE. WE HAVE CERTAIN APPLICATIONS THAT WE COULD HIT WIND LOAD RATE IS OF EXCESS OF 180 MILES PER HOUR, BASED ON EXPOSURE AND MORE FASTENERS, AND IN TERMS OF COST, THE STANDARD CEDAR ROOF, EVEN IF YOU HAVE MODERATE MAINTENANCE COSTS, THIS IS VIRTUALLY MAINTENANCE STRIKES-FREE. YOU'LL PROBABLY GET ABOUT 15 YEARS OUT OF IT.

YOU COULD CONCEIVABLY REPLACE A REAL CEDAR ROOF TWO OR THREE TIMES BEFORE THE WARRANTY EVER EXPIRES ON THAT. IN A HISTORICAL SETTING, ONE OF THE REASONS I CAME DOWN HERE, OBVIOUSLY TO SUPPORT GRANT, BUT I WAS UP IN CUMBERLAND ISLAND YESTERDAY AND THEY HAVE THE NATIONAL PARKS COMMISSION AND THERE'S A HOUSE THERE CALLED THE PLUMB ORCHARD MANSION WITH AN OLD CEDAR ROOF THAT IS PROBABLY ONLY 15 TO 20 YEARS OLD AND IS COMPLETELY FALLEN APART.

WE STARTED PUTTING THAT SPECIFIC PROFILE ON THAT HOUSE. SO WE'RE DEFINITELY EMBRACED BY THE HISTORICAL COMMUNITY. DIFFERENT PROFILE -- DIFFERENT EXPOSURE AND THEIRS IS UNIQUE.

THEY DOUBLE STACK. LONG PROCESS TO GET THE JOB GOING.

VERY SHORT TO DO GET IT APPROVED WITHIN THE HISTORICAL AREA BECAUSE IT'S HISTORIC.

THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT OTHER TROUBLING SERVICES ON THAT ISLAND THAT ARE PART OF THE NATIONAL PARKS COMMISSION THAT THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT US FOR THAT AND THE MAIN REASON IS WE STILL GIVEN THE HISTORIC LOOK THAT THEY'RE GOING FOR WITHOUT THE MAINTENANCE COSTS AND TO HELP A BETTER-PERFORMING ROOF SYSTEM. ON TOP OF THAT, BOTH SLATE AND SHAKE, WE HAVE BEEN APPROVED IN THE HISTORIC COMMUNITY IN DUNWOOD PRESERVATION.

THEY HAVE A HOUSE UP THERE JUST NORTH OF THE PERIMETER IN ATLANTA THAT IS ACTUALLY CITY OWNED BUT A HISTORIC THING THAT THEY HAVE A BUNCH OF EVENTS THAT.

WE'VE GOT APPROVED THERE AND THEN IN SOME OF THE SMALLER TOWNS UP IN SPECIFICALLY HARTWELL IN NORTH GEORGIA, SMALLER COMMUNITY, THEY DON'T HAVE A HISTORIC DISTRICT BUT THEY HAVE HISTORIC HOMES THAT THEY HAVE DESIGNATED, ONE SPECIFICALLY WE GOT APPROVED

BECAUSE THE HOMEOWNER WANTED TO USE US IN THAT ASPECT TOO. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. FRANK?

>> IS THIS INDIVIDUAL SHAKES OR IS IT A MODULAR PANEL? >> INDIVIDUAL.

>> YOU CAN CHOOSE THE EXPOSURE OR IS IT STANDARDIZED. >> YOU CAN CHOOSE IT.

THIS HAS TWO DIFFERENT WOOD PILES, EIGHT-INCH, AND THEN IF YOU LOOK HERE, A TEN-INCH WITH WHAT WITH YOU CALL THE FULL KEYWAY WHEN IT'S NOT AS NOTICEABLE SITTING THERE AND IT COMES THREE DIFFERENT WAYS. WE HAVE 4-6 SPLIT. MOVE IT OVER.

AND THEN A FULL TAP. SO IT GIVES YOU THAT MULTI-WOOD LOOK WITH ONLY TWO DIFFERENT

TILES. >> IS THAT WHAT YOU CALL THE SELECT OR THE DIFFERENT SIZES OF

THE SHAKES? >> THERE'S MULTI-WIDTH THAT IS ACTUALLY FIVE INDIVIDUAL TILES THAT GO FROM FOUR-INCH UP TO NINE-INCH. THIS ONE, THE REASON I LIKE IT IS THIS ONE VERSUS THE MULTI-WOOD, IT HAS A MORE BRUSHED FINISH ON THE BOOED GRAIN SO WHEN YOU'RE SITTING OVER THERE LOOKING AT IT, THAT'S WHERE IT GETS IT AUTHENTIC CEDAR LOOK BECAUSE REAL CEDAR DOESN'T HAVE DEEP STRIATIONS IN THERE. IT'S SLOWLY GAINING ACCEPTANCE

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ONE IS COST OBVIOUSLY. THE OTHER ONE IS DESIRE, WHAT LOOK YOU'RE GOING FOR, AND THIRD, I WOULDN'T SAY MOST IMPORTANT BUT IT DEFINITELY FALLS IN LINE WITH THAT IS CODE RESTRICTIONS, LIKE WHAT'S THE WIND LOAD RATING IN THIS AREA SO WE MIGHT HAVE TO REDUCE -- YOU DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE OR MODIFY THE PRODUCT. YOU REDUCE THE EXPOSURE AND/OR

ADD MORE FASTENERS TO MEET THE WIND LOAD REQUIREMENT. >> WHAT IS IT.

>> 128, [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> AS WE DO THIS INSTALLATION WITH THE CONTRACTOR, THAT WE'LL GIVE HIM WHAT WE CALL HIGH WIND BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR STAN EDITION INSTALLATION. WE'LL GIVE HIM HIGH INDUSTRY INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS AND IT'S REDUCED EXPOSURE, MORE FASTENERS, AND THAT'S HOW HE WARRANTIES WITH US.

BUT IT ALSO MEETS FLORIDA PRODUCT APPROVAL. >> DO YOU HAVE YOUR OWN

INSTALLERS OR DOES SOMEBODY HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED WITH DA VINCI. >> YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED. GRANT CALLED OUR OFFICE AND THE INSTALLER THAT HE CHOSE WAS REFERRED BY ME WHO WON OUR MASTERPIECE AWARD FOR ONE INSTALLATION IN THE PANHANDLE.

WHEN PEOPLE CALL US, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED. YOU HAVE TO BE LICENSED BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED TO INSTALL IT BUT WE LIKE TO BE HAPPENED ON AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

WE KNOW WHEN IT'S ORDERED AND THAT'S WHEN WE START MAKING PHONE CALLS TO AT LEAST HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO MAKE SURE HE KNOWS THE BITS AND PIECES.

IT'S EAS IN FLORIDA BECAUSE THERE'S SUCH A DIVERSITY WITH THE ROOFING PRODUCTS INSTALLED DOWN HERE VERSUS ALL OF GEORGIA. IT'S MOSTLY ASPHALT AND STANDARD, BUT YOU HAVE BARREL TILE AND SLATE AND REAL CEDAR AND CONCRETE TILE AND CLAY TILE AND MOST OF THE GUYS THAT HAVE DONE ANY TYPE OF STYLE INSTALLATION, THEY UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF THIS.

>> HOW IS THIS APPLIED. >> NONCORROSIVE NAILS. AND THERE'S INSTALLATION.

>> YOU SPOKE OF CLIPS. HOW MANY? >> WE DON'T HAVE TO USE CLIPS.

>> CAN I INTERJECT SOMETHING. THEY USE STAINLESS STEEL RING-SHAPED NAILS.

THAT'S ACTUALLY THE SPECIFICATIONS. >> OKAY.

-- [CROSSTALK] . >> EXCUSE ME. >> THAT'S THE PROFILE THAT

YOU'RE PROPOSING AND IS THAT THE SAME COLOR? >> YES.

I THINK THEY BOTH ARE, THE OUTSIDE IS. THERE'S A SLIGHT GREENISH HUE TO

IT. >> IT SEEMS TO BE A BIT OF A SHINE TO IT AS WELL.

>> THAT'S A PROTECTIVE COATING. LIKE I SAID, A POLYMER-BASED INJECTION-MODELED PROP.

WHEN WE RELEASE THAT MODEL WE PUT A COATING ON IT AS IT'S GETTING PROJECTED, KIND OF LIKE A STAN DEADER IN THE -- A STANDARD IN THE POLYMER APPLICATIONS.

IT STAYS THERE UNTIL MOTHER NATURE BURNS IT OFF WHICH IS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AND HELPS TO PROTECT THE TILE IN SHIPPING AND HANDLING, BUT THAT HIGH-GROSS SHEEN THAT YOU MIGHT SEE, AND IT MIGHT NOT SHOW UP ON EVERY TILE. IT'S ALL DIFFERENT, BUT THERE'S A SPECIAL COATING SO WHEN IT RELEASES, AS IT HITS THE SUNLIGHT AND IT VARIES DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH SUNLIGHT IS, NOW PROBABLY A BURN-OFF THAT WILL HAPPEN PRETTY QUICKLY BUT YOU'LL GET THE DULLER FINISH WHICH IS

MORE WHAT A REAL CEDAR ROOF LOOKS LIKE. >> CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE FIRST INSTALLATION, THAT DA VINCI MADE OF THESE TILES, WHERE IT IS AND WHEN IT WAS?

>> NO. I WASN'T AROUND AND I HAVE NO CLUE.

WE'RE BASED OUT OF KANSAS. I'M ASSUMING THE FIRST JOB WAS OVER THERE.

I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK. WE DON'T HAVE RECORDS OF EVERY JOB BECAUSE WE DON'T GET

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ADDRESSES OF EVERY JOB. >> ONE THAT YOU KNOW OF? >> I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY FIND SOME. YOU MIGHT HAVE TO GIVE ME SOME TIME.

>> I'M ASKING YOU NOW. >> I DON'T KNOW. I KNOW THERE'S ONE DOWN IN [INDISCERNIBLE] THAT WAS DONE. I ONLY KNOW ABOUT JOBS I HAVE SOLD.

>> WHAT'S THE OLDEST THERE? >> I'VE BEEN HERE FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS.

IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST JOBS THAT I DID SO IT WAS PROBABLY DECEMBER OF -- IT WAS A SLATE

JOB. IT WAS DECEMBER OF 2018. >> OKAY.

>> JANUARY OF '19. >> RELATIVELY NEW TO THE COMPANY, DOES THAT MEAN THAT

YOU'RE EXPLORING FLORIDA, THE APPLICATIONS ARE MOVING SOUTH? >> I ONLY COVER BASICALLY DOWN TO ST. AUGUSTINE. WE HAVE ANOTHER REP THAT GOES CENTRAL AND SOUTH DOWN TO THE KEYS. SALES IN FLORIDA HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN STRONG ON SYNTHETIC SIDE OF THINGS BECAUSE WE'RE ONE OF THE FEW SYNTHETICS THAT ACTUALLY IS MIAMI-DADE COUNTY APPROVED.

MORE COMMERCIAL DOWN THERE, I'LL SAY THAT. >> CLEARLY ONE OF OUR CONCERNS WOULD BE THAT WITH A NEW PRODUCT WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW IT AGES AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK

LIKE IN 15 YEARS' TIME. >> IT WON'T FADE. LIKE I SAID, WE USE A COLOR-THROUGH PROCESS, MANUFACTURING PROCESS AND IT'S VIRGIN RAW MATERIALS AND THERE'S PIGMENTS, RESIN COMPOUNDS THAT ARE PART OF THAT FORMATION SO THE ACTUAL COLOR [INDISCERNIBLE] FOR IMPACT RATING BUT THE COLOR IS ACTUALLY COLOR-THROUGH, AND IT'S ACTUALLY WARRANTIED TO NOT PAID. IF YOU HAVE EVER SURED OF SHERWIN WILLIAMS, AND HAVE A DELTA HUNTER UNIT. I'M NOT SURE IF ANYBODY IS FAMILIAR WITH THAT.

OUR ZERO PRODUCTS ARE WARRANTIED TO COLOR-FADE OUTSIDE OF 400 UNITS.

300 UNITS IS NOT DETECTABLE BY THE NAKED EYE. WHEN IT JUST BEGINS TO FADE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET THE OTHER THING IS MOTHY CEDAR, YOU CAN SEE IT.

IT HAS A VARIGATED LOOK TO IT. WHEN YOU GO TO STAIN IT OR OIL IT, AS THEY SAY, EVERY TILE ISN'T GOING TO LOOK THE SAME EXACT SOME COLOR. THE SAME THING APPLIES WITH OURS. WE PURPOSELY HAVE A VARIGATED COLOR SO EVERY TILE DOESN'T IDENTICALLY MATCH. I'LL HERE MIGHT MATCH HERE BUT WE DO THAT FOR A REASON FOR AESTHETICS SO IT LOOKS MORE NATURAL AND GAINS THE AESTHETIC LOOK OF A REAL CEDAR ROOF.

>> IS THIS BAR MEANT TO BE STRAIGHT? >> IT'S KIND OF A CHIPPING.

IT'S APPLIABLE PRODUCT. IF YOU LOOK AT GRANT'S HOUSE, AND IT'S GOING TO BE MORE DIFFICULT TO DO AS IF YOU WERE DOING IT WITH THE A REAL CEDAR ROOF, IT'S MIABLE FOR A REASON BECAUSE HE'S GOT A CHANGE OF PITCH SLOPE IN HIS ROOF GOING TO THE FRONT.

THIS WILL BASICALLY -- YOU KIND OF CONTRACTOR CAVE IT SO IT LAYS FLAT AS IT GOES THROUGH THAT CONTRACTOR TOUR AND THE SLOPE OF HIS ROOF. BUT LIKE I SAID, IT'S A MIABLE PRODUCT BECAUSE IT'S POLYMER AND MANUFACTURED THAT AWAY. THERE'S INSTALLATION TECHNIQUES

TO FLATTEN IT OUT. >> WHEN IT CAME OUT OF THE MODEL, IS THE UNDERSIDE FLAT AND

IT'S WARPED. >> YOU MEAN LIKE THIS? >> YEAH.

>> THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT WAS SHIPPED BECAUSE IT WAS BANDED UP WHEN IT WAS A SAMPLE, KICKED AROUND IN A CAR. THESE ARE SAMPLE PIECES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

>> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. FRANK?

>> IS THIS APPROVED FOR USE IN ANY OTHER FLORIDA HISTORIC DISTRICT?

>> FIRST ONE I'M AWARE OF. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT CENTRAL AND SOUTH FLORIDA BECAUSE I DON'T COVER THOSE AREAS. IT HAS BEEN APPROVED -- HISTORIC DICTATION STICKS, IT HAS, BUT

NOT ANY IN FLORIDA. >> TELL ME SOMEWHERE IT'S BEEN APPROVED.

>> I WAS JUST EXPLAINING, PLUMB ORCHARD UP IN CUMBERLAND ISLAND. >> I'M THINKING ABOUT CITIES, LIKE ST. AUGUSTINE, PENSACOLA, ANY CITIES IN GEORGIA, HISTORICALS IN GEORGIA?

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>> THE DUNNWOOD. >> THAT THE CITY. >> CORRECT.

>> ANY HISTORIC DISTRICTS THAT YOU CAN TELL ME. >> CITY OF HEARTWELL, INDIVIDUALLY HOMEOWNER HOUSE UP IN NORTH GEORGIA IN THE MOUNTAINS THAT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY, UNLIKE THIS AREA, EVERYTHING IS PART OF THE HISTORIC COMMITTEE, THEY DESIGNATE HOUSES THAT ARE HISTORIC, KIND OF LIKE IN CERTAIN PARTS OF JACKSONVILLE THEY DO THAT. THEY DESIGNATED THIS HOUSE AS A HISTORICAL BUILDING.

WE GOT APPROVED THERE. >> BUT YOU CAN'T TELL ME ANYTHING IN FLORIDA.

>> NOT WITH THIS FIRST OPPORTUNITY I HAVE. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. FRANK? OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

PLEASE TAKE A SEAT. THERE MAY BE FURTHER QUESTIONS, MR. FAYNE.

IS THERE ANYONE IN THE OUT GENERALS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS ISSUE?

ANYBODY ONLINE. >> NOBODY IS ON THE LINE, SIR. >> BOARD DISCUSSION?

>> IT LOOKS LIKE A GREAT PRODUCT. I THINK IT WOULD WORK WELL BUT I DON'T SEE US, FERNANDINA BEACH, BEING THE TIP OF THE SPEER WHEN IT COMES TO IDENTIFYING A NEW PRODUCT FOR HISTORIC DISTRICTS. IF WE HAD OTHER EVIDENCE, IF WE TRUST OR KNOW THAT PENSACOLA AND OTHERS, MIAMI BEACH, ST. AUGUSTINE, OLD-TOWN KEY WEST, I'D BE ON BOARD BUT I HAVE TREPIDATION ABOUT LITTLE FERNANDINA BEACH BEING THE FIRST ONE TO ACCEPT THIS.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO ASK SAL, DO YOU KNOW IF MR. BECK, BASED ON WHAT YOU HAVE HEARD [INDISCERNIBLE]

TOP PART OF THE PERMIT PROCESS. >> YES. >> YOU WOULD BE COMFORTABLE WITH

THIS. >> YES. >> HIS DECISION WOULD BE BASED

ON IF IT'S GOT A FLORIDA PRODUCT APPROVAL AND -- [CROSSTALK] . >> NO.

AESTHETICS DON'T COME -- [CROSSTALK] . >> DO OTHER MEMBERS HAVE

TREPIDATION? >> CAUSEIOUS BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT NEEDS TO STOP US IN OUR TRACKS. I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT WE'RE NOT BEING ASKED TO APPROVE THIS FOR GENERAL USE AS WE WOULD A PARTICULAR WINDOW DESIGN. WE'RE ASKED TO APPROVE IT FOR

THIS PARTICULAR CASE -- [CROSSTALK] . >> UNTIL THE NEXT GUY WHO COMES

ALONG AND WE SAY YES IN THIS CASE. >> BUT WE ARE DID CASE BY CASE

AND IF IT'S NOT ON THE APPROVED LIST, IS THAT CORRECT? >> CORRECT.

>> IT WOULD BE -- [CROSSTALK] . >> YES. >> I UNDERSTAND BOTH SIDES.

I HAVEN'T PARTICULARLY USED THIS EXACT PRODUCT BUT IN A LOT OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT I'VE WORKED IN, IN ATLANTA, WE HAVE THIS, WE HAVE THE TILE ROOFING AND THE SLATE AND TYPICALLY IN MY EXPERIENCE, AND MORE A [INDISCERNIBLE] STRUCTURE, SO THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE UNUSUAL WITHOUT THE GAMBLES, THE TWO COMING IN. I HAVE NO HESITATION WITH THE PERFORMANCE OR THE DURABILITY OF THE PRODUCT. MY HESITATION, IF WE'RE APPROVING THIS PARTICULAR SITE, I WANT EXACTLY THE COLOR, THE EXPOSURE, THE THIS AND THAT SO IF SOMEBODY COMES TO US AND SAYS, WHY DID YOU APPROVE THAT. IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS GOING IN THERE, WE WOULD KNOW WHAT WAS APPROVED AND FRANKLY I DON'T SEE MUCH DIFFERENCE OF THIS VERSUS THE ASPHALT SHINGLES THAT ARE ON THE BUILDING NOW.

TO ME THIS IS AN UPGRADE TO ASPHALT BUT MY CONSTRUCTION BACKGROUND WOULD SAY, GOING WITH THAT ROOF, THAT WOULD FIT THE STYLE. IT'S MORE A VERNACULAR FARMHOUSE

STYLE, THAT WOULD BE THE BEST, BUT THIS WOULD BE SECOND-BEST. >> ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOF ON THIS

PROPERTY, WOULD THAT COME HERE. >> THAT WOULDN'T HAVE COME TO THE BOARD.

IT WOULD BE A STAFF APPROVAL. >> HISTORICAL MATERIAL. >> YES.

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>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS. >> MR. CHAIR, I GUESS, COULD WE ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS, WITH

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION? >> I THINK WE DID. THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO SEE THE EXACT PRODUCT, THE COLORS, AND WE SAW EVERYTHING, THE EXPOSURE, AND I LIKE HOW IT'S VARIED WITH DIFFERENT KEY HOLD PARTS AND ORGANIC AND DOESN'T LOOK LIKE HOME DEPOT AND FRANKLY DON'T EVER PASS THAT SINGLE AROUND AGAIN BECAUSE IT LOOKS WAY BETTER FROM A DISTANCE.

>> IT'S HARD TO MAKE THAT DECISION FIVE FEET AWAY. >> AND IT'S GOT THE RELEASE AGENT ON IT WHICH IS TERRIBLE AND IT NEEDS WEATHER ON TOP OF IT.

>> THAT WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS, WAS THE SHEEN THAT'S ON IT, AND I KNOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO WEAR OFF. WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE DOESN'T? IS THERE A WAY TO REMOVE THAT

AFTER A COUPLE OF MONTHS. >> SO THERE'S A WAY, FOR SOME -- [CROSSTALK] .

>> IF IT STILL HAS THE HIGH-CLOSE SHEEN WE WE TAKE A HEATING AGENT TO IT.

>> IF IT'S APPROVED, IS IT THE ONLY -- [CROSSTALK] . >> THAT'S A CONSIDERATION, ALL OF OUR HISTORICAL, WE LOST CEDAR SHINGLE, WE LOST THEM, AND LOST THE LAST ONE IN OLD TOWN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, AND OBVIOUSLY THE OLD CEDAR DOESN'T EXIST SO A REAL SHINGLE ROOF DOESN'T LAST ANYWHERE NEAR WHAT THEY WOULD HAVE HISTORICALLY SO THIS WOULD REPRESENT THE ONLY, YOU KNOW, OF THAT STYLE BUT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN WHAT HISTORICALLY WAS ON THE HOME

DOWNTOWN. >> WE WOULD APPROVE ASPHALT. >> YES.

>> ACROSS THE STREET IS ASPHALT. >> YES. AT ONE TIME ASPHALT WAS A NEW PRODUCT AND NOW IT'S COMMON BUT THE SAME DISCUSSION WOULD HAVE HAPPENED BACK THEN.

>> I'D LIKE TO ASK MR. WORSELY WHAT HISS INSURANCE COMPANY THINKS OF THE DA VINCI SHINGLES?

>> THEY LOVE THEM. >> WELL, BASED ON WHAT INFORMATION I'VE SENT AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOT OF TURMOIL GOING ON CURRENTLY WITH THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY BUT THEY WOULD HAVE -- AND I CAN'T RECALL THE TERM THAT THEY USE TO COME OUT AND RE-INSPECT MY ROOF.

THEY'VE GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS UNDER CONSIDERATION. ONE, THEY HAVE SENT A RELEASE FOR ME TO LOOK AT MY CREDIT RATING BECAUSE THAT'S A VARIABLE THEY USE FOR DETERMINING YOUR HOMEOWNERS INSURANCE, BUT THEY WOULD ACTUALLY DO AN ASSESSMENT OF MY ROOF BECAUSE SOMETIMES SHE COME ROUND AND TELL PEOPLE, YOU'RE OVERDUE FOR A ROOF AND MAKE THEM GET A ROOF.

MY HOUSE IS ALMOST 20 YEARS OLD SO I'M PROBABLY GETTING CLOSE TO THAT ANYHOW AND I WANT TO CORRECT ONE OR TWO COMMENTS I'VE HEARD HERE. MY HOUSE IS A CRAFTSMAN STYLE FROM THE GET-GO, ARCHITECTURALLY SPEAKING. AND SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OTHERS THERE ARE HERE. I'VE HAD A QUEEN ANNE HOUSE HERE ORIGINALLY THAT I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD WORK ON, MAYBE, MAYBE NOT, BUT I THINK IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE FOR WHAT I HAVE AND THEN BACK TO THE QUESTION OF, BECAUSE I HAVE A BACKGROUND IN THIS, IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU ARE IN FERNANDINA. IF YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT WIND LOAD WITHIN SO MANY FEET OF THE BEACH THAN WHAT YOU DO IF YOU'RE IN TOWN AND YOUR INSURANCE RATES WOULD REFLECT THAT AS WELL.

WE'RE IN THE SAFEST PART RIGHT HERE WHERE I AM ON BEACH STREET. >> MR. WORSELY, IF THIS WERE NOT

APPROVED TODAY WHAT WOULD YOUR PLAN BE? >> I WOULD APPEAL IT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF ASPHALT AND I THINK YOU UNDERSTAND A GREAT PORTION IN EUROPE, ASPHALT IS NOT ALLOWED BECAUSE IT'S CONSIDERED A TEMPORARY MATERIAL.

THE JOKE IN EUROPE IS THAT THE BUILDING STANDARDS IN THE UNITED STATES ARE MADE TO LAST A LIFE OF THE MORTGAGE AND ASPHALT ISN'T A VERY DURABLE MATERIAL AND I DON'T CARE HOW MANY TABS IT IS. IN A HURRICANE, I'VE BEEN HERE MY ENTIRE LIFE AND I'VE SEEN MANY OF THEM RIPPED OFF, CURLED UP, AND THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO COME OFF TO [INDISCERNIBLE] THAT'S WHERE I'M HEADING WITH THIS THING. LIKE I SAID, I'M ALL IN AND I'VE READ THE STATS ABOUT THE INSTALLERS, AND THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING, AND THE --

THERE'S A PATTERN FOR THE NAILING ON EACH OF THE TILES. >> THANK YOU.

>> OKAY. >> WE'RE IN BOARD DISCUSSION HERE.

HAVE WE HEARD ENOUGH? >> I WANT TO ADD, I THINK A METAL ROOF ESTHETICALLY AND

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>> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> I HAVE TO AGREE WITH THAT SENTIMENT. TO ME THIS APPEARS TO BE AN UPGRADE TO THE EXISTING SHINGLE I UNDERSTAND MR. SPINO'S RESERVATIONS, HOW LONG IS THIS GOING TO LAST AND HOW LONG WILL IT LOOK GOOD FOR BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO HAVE -- SOMEWHERE WE NEED TO START AND TAKE A LOOK. IF IT WORKS OUT AND IT'S A REALLY GREAT LOOK MAYBE WE CAN START COMING BACK TO SOME OF THAT ORIGINAL LOOK IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WITH LOOKING AT NEW MATERIALS, SO MAYBE THERE'S A VALUE IN ALLOWING THIS ONE IN SO THAT WE HAVE A TEST

>> SOUNDS LIKE THERE'S A MOTION THEN. >> I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THE MOTION THAT WE MAKE TODAY IS WE'RE APPROVING THIS EXACT THING THAT WE HAVE SEEN HERE ON THIS

HOUSE. >> ON THIS HOUSE. >> SO YOU'RE MAKING A POINT THAT

WE'RE NOT EWE PROVING THIS PRODUCT -- [CROSSTALK] . >> OR A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT COLOR

OR A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT COLORATION, RIGHT. >> GOOD POINT.

>> -- [CROSSTALK] . >> IS EXPOSURE DEFINED, THAT SPECIFIC?

>> I'LL JUST [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> I MOVE TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER 2021-009 WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, THAT THE PRODUCT STYLE, COLOR, EXPOSURE BE PLACED ON THIS LAW.

CASE 2021-0009 IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> IS THERE A SECOND.

>> SECOND. >> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? PLEASE CALL IT. [VOTE] THANK YOU.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE. >> THANK YOU.

I CHOSE MOSS GREEN TO MATCH THE MILDEW THAT'S FOREVER ON MY HOUSE.

>> THE OTHER THING, BECAUSE THIS IS A POLYMER PRODUCT, ALGAE CANNOT APPEAR.

IT WON'T GROW INTO IT. IT MIGHT GET STUCK. >> OKAY.

[5.2 HDC 2021-0005 - ASHLEY FURMAN, 103 N. 6TH STREET ]

>> SURE. LET ME GET TO IT. THIS IS HDC2021-0005, PROPERTY LOCATED AT 103 NORTH 6TH STREET, KNOWN AS THE HERK HOUSE, ZONED R 2, BUILT IN 1880 AND IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE TO THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT. THERE'S A LOT OF COOL HISTORY IN THERE. I'M NOT GOING TO GO OVER IT. IT'S A GOOD READ TO GO THROUGH THE NATIONAL REGISTER NOMINATION FOR THAT PROPERTY, A LOT OF INTERESTING STUFF IN THERE.

WHEN ANALYZING THIS, THE PROPOSAL FOR A POOL, YOU'LL SEE IN YOUR PACKAGE THERE'S SOME RENDERINGS THAT HAVE AN ADDITION IN THERE. THAT IS FOR THE WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING TONIGHT. IT'S JUST THE POOL ITSELF. THE HOUSE WAS BUILT, OWNED BY THE SAME PERSON WHO BUILT THE FAIRBANKS HOUSE AND THE SCHOOL HOUSE AND ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'LL SEE IN THAT HISTORY OF IT, WHICH IS REALLY INTERESTING IS THAT IT SITS ON THAT DOUBLE LOT AND REALLY HAS ALWAYS BEEN CONSIDERED A HALF HOUSE, THAT THE OTHER HALF WASN'T BUILT SO THE NEW OWNERS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB OF REHABBING IT AND DO HAVE PLANS TO BUILD AN ADDITION, EVENING OUT THE HOUSE BUT THAT'S LATER ON THE BOARD WILL SEE THAT.

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IT'S MEETING THE SETBACK AND SCREENING REQUIREMENTS. YOU'LL NOTE I HAD A NOTE ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE MECHANICAL AND YOU SHOULD HAVE A PAPER COPY OF THE SITE PLAN THAT WE'LL PUT INTO THE RECORD THAT THEY HAVE INDICATED WHERE THAT WILL GO SO IT'S PROCEDURALLY PLACED AND SCREEN AND SO STAFF IS REPRESENTING APPROVAL OF THIS 2020-0005.

>> ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? >> SAL I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE, I SAW IN THE PACKET WE HAVE A PAPER MATERIAL THAT WAS SHOWN FOR US. I'M ASSUMING IT'S SUCH A LARGE LOT THAT WE'RE MEETING THE IMPERVIOUS AND PERVIOUS, THAT WE'RE STILL MEETING IT.

>> YES. >> WOULD THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD AND INTRODUCE THEMSELVES

AND NAME AND ADDRESS AND TELL US ABOUT THIS PROPERTY. >> MY NAME IS ASHLEY FURMAN.

MY ADDRESS, 103 NORTH 6TH STREET AND THIS IS MY HUSBAND, CORY.

>> MY ADDRESS IS THE SAME. WE JUST PURCHASED THE HOUSE THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR.

WE LOVE THE HISTORY OF IT, DEFINITELY, JUST WANT TO BRING LIFE BACK TO THE HOUSE AS WELL AS MAKING IT A FUNCTIONAL HOME FOR OUR FAMILY AND HOW WE LIVE. AS FAR AS THE POOL, I APPRECIATE THAT CONCERN ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DRAINAGE AND STUFF. WE DEFINITELY WANT TO KEEP THAT ALONG THE EDGE OF THE POOL AS SMALL AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE I WANT TO KEEP A GARDEN FEEL TO IT, NATURAL, THAT YOU CAN ALMOST OVERLOOK THE POOL. WE'VE DEALT WITH A LANDSCAPER WHO ALSO HAS HELPED ME DEAL WITH HOW TO DO THIS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BE SWIMMING IN FRONT OF EVERY TOURIST EITHER. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO LANDSCAPE FOR NOW, DEFINITELY FOR PRIVACY BUT ALSO TO DEAL WITH NOISE BLOCKING JUST IN CASE, YOU KNOW, DON'T WANT IT TO BE DISRUPTIVE.

IF WE HAVE KIDS THERE, I WANT THEM TO ENJOY IT BUT NOT, YOU KNOW, REVERBERATE EVERYWHERE. WE TRIED TO THINK OF EVERYTHING WE CAN, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMETHING BUT NOT MAKE IT TAKE AWAY FROM THE HOUSE IN ANY WAY WHICH IS VERY MUCH OUR GOAL.

>> THANK YOU. >> WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR, OUR GOAL HAS BEEN TO DO -- JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO ABSOLUTE NOTHING TO COMPROMISE THE INTEGRITY OF THE HISTORICAL NATURE OF THE HOUSE NOR THE COMMUNITY AS WELL SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DO EVERYTHING THAT WE'LL MAINTAIN THAT. WE'RE VERY, VERY FORTUNATE AND BLESSED TO LIVE IN SUCH A HISTORICAL AREA AND BEING ON A CORNER LOT WE DO RECOGNIZE THE DIFFICULTY IN SAYING IS THE POOL IN THE BACKYARD OR SIDE YARD BECAUSE DEVELOPING ON WHERE YOU'RE STANDING THE ANSWER IS YES SO WE DO WANT TO HAVE THAT ADDITION PUT ONTO THE NORTH WING OF THE HOUSE EVENTUALLY, OBVIOUSLY NOT WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT WHEN THAT DAY COMES THEN THAT WILL PROVIDE A MUCH LARGER BARRIER TO THE POOL TO PROTECT THAT FROM THE VIEW FROM 6TH STREET AND HAVE THAT SOUND BARRIER IN PLACE BUT IN THE MEANTIME LIKE ASHLEY MENTIONED WE DO HAVE PLANS DRAWN UP WITH A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT TO HAVE QUITE A SUBSTANTIAL BARRIER THERE, HAVING SOME PLANTS AND SHRUBS AND TREES PUT IN PLACE THAT WHEN THE NORTH WING IS ADDED THAT WOULD BE THINNED OUT A LITTLE BIT BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT NO ONE HEARS US SPLASHING AROUND AND OBVIOUSLY NOBODY WANTS TO SEE ME AND I DON'T WANT THEM TO SEE ME WHILE I'M IN THE POOL SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S AS PRIVATE AS

POSSIBLE. >> THIS QUESTION WAS ASKED BEFORE AND I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO ASK. TALK ABOUT LIGHTENING. WHAT IS YOUR EXPECTATION.

>> THERE WILL BE NO LED, YOU KNOW, FLASHING CHANGE, NONE OF THAT.

IF WE DO ANY TYPE -- THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AS I GUESS YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR IS VERY DARK IN THE EVENING WHICH IS WONDERFUL AND I DON'T INTEND TO CHANGE THAT. MAYBE SOME OF THE TREES TOWARDS THE FRONT, IF IT WILL OBSCURE IT AT NIGHT WITH THE POOL LIGHT ON WE MAY WANT TO LIGHT SOME OF THE SMALLER TRIES THAT WE PLANT IN FRONT OF IT FROM THE GROUND UP SO THAT THAT KIND OF CATCHES YOUR EYE MORE THAN THE POOL LIGHT BUT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY -- WE WILL NOT HAVE ANY

RED OR PURPLE LIGHTS. >> WE HAVE MADE THE DECISION WE DO NOT WANT TO INSTALL ANY FLOOD LIGHTENING ON OUR PROPERTY. WHEN WE WALK AROUND IN THE EVENING WE NOTICED NOBODY HAS

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UP THE NEIGHBORHOOD. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH INDEED AND WELCOME TO THE COMMUNITY.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH VERY MUCH. >> WHAT MAKES OUR HISTORIC DISTRICT HERE IS THE SUPPORT OF THE HOMEOWNERS. SO THANK YOU FOR COMING TO JOIN

US TO SUPPORT US. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> NICE TO MEET YOU.

>> I HAD A QUESTION. JUST REAL QUICK, REGARDING THAT POOL EQUIPMENT, I IMAGINE YOU PROBABLY INTEND TO SCREEN THAT EQUIPMENT SOMEHOW. YOU'RE NOT JUST GOING TO

HAVE-PUMPS AND STUFF. >> YES. >> VISITABLE.

WHAT DO YOU INTEND TO USE AT SCREENS. >> IT'S GOING TO BE LOCATED -- RIGHT NOW THERE'S AN EXISTING SHED THAT NEEDS SOME TLC DEFINITELY TOO SO WE'RE GOING TO FIX THAT SHED UP, BUT ALSO THE POOL EQUIPMENT WILL BE ADJACENT TO IT WHICH IS IN THE BACK FURTHEST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY SO IT'S THE MOST OUT OF THE SIGHT -- [CROSSTALK] .

>> WE HAVE THIS THAT YOU GUYS PASSED OUT THAT SHOWS US WHERE THE POOL EQUIPMENT IS GOING TO

GO AND I CAN SEE THE SHED THERE TOO. >> YEAH.

>> SO BEHIND THE SHED. >> IT WILL BE ON THE POOLSIDE JUST BECAUSE IT WILL HAVE TO FIT THERE BUT I'M GOING TO SCREEN IT, YOU KNOW, WITH OTHER SHRUBS AND LANDSCAPING.

IT ALREADY HAS A FENCE IN FRONT OF IT BUT THE FENCE IS OPEN SO I WILL PLANT KOARTTAKROPPUS.

>> WE LIVE IN THE MOUNTAINSES OF NORTH CAROLINA SO WE'RE LEARNING THE NAMES OF THE PLANTS SO I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO KNOW WE'RE GOING TO PLANT BLANK, AND I'M NOT PREPARED FOR THAT, ESPECIALLY UNDER OATH, SO I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU WE HAVE PLANS TO PLANT SOMETHING, NOT

TOO TALL, JUST ENOUGH TO OBSCURE THE PUMP HOUSE. >> WITH THAT WE'LL MAKE A MOTION

TO APPROVE? >> YES. I DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT POOL

EQUIPMENT EITHER. >> JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, THE LANDSCAPING, WE RECOGNIZE THAT INSTALLING LANDSCAPING, IF IT IS CONTINGENT UPON THE MOTION TO APPROVE DOES THAT MEAN THE LANDSCAPING HAS TO REACH A MINIMUM FIGHT BEFORE WE CAN INSTALL THE POOL OR AS LONG AS

WE HAVE -- [CROSSTALK] . >> WE JUST WANT SCREEN AND YOU'LL FIGURE THAT OUT.

>> OH, YEAH. >> [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> THE PROBLEM IN THIS

NEIGHBORHOOD IS STOPPING THINGS GROWING. >> [INDISCERNIBLE].

>> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT? ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO

SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST? ANYBODY ONLINE? >> NOBODY ON THE LINE FOR THIS

CASE. >> WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND MOVE INTO BOARD DISCUSSION.

>> WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ABOUT POOLS IN OUR GUIDELINES, DO WE? >> WE DO.

>> CAN YOU REFER ME TO THAT. >> GIVE ME ONE SECOND AND I CAN PULL THAT UP.

IT'S VERY LITTLE. IT REALLY STATES IT SHOULD BEHIND AND OUT OF VIEW.

>> YOU RECOMMENDED IT SO IT MUST BE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES.

>> YES. >> THANK YOU. WHILE HE'S LOOKING THAT UP I'LL SAY WHEN I WAS WALKING THE CASES THIS WEEK TO THEIR HOME AND I THINK ASHLEY WAS OUT FRONT DOING A FEW THINGS AND WE DIDN'T SPEAK ABOUT IT, THE PAINTERS, AND I THINK THEY'RE DO A GREAT JOB AND THEY'RE STOKED ABOUT LIVING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT

ADDITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WELCOME TO THE CITY. >> IF THERE'S NO DISCUSSION, A

MOTION? >> I'LL MAKE A MOTION. I MOVE TO APPROVE HDC2021-0005 WITH THE CONDITION THAT THEY POOL EQUIPMENT WILL BE APPROPRIATELY SHIELDED WITH LANDSCAPE MATERIAL AND I APPROVE THAT THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD. THAT IT'S SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT [READING].

>> THANK YOU. >> SECOND. >> SECOND BY MR. SPEAK SPINO?

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>> ANY FURTHER? PLEASE CALL. >>>

[VOTE] >> GOOD JOB. THANK YOU, GUYS.

>> WE'LL HAVE A POOL PARTY AND YOU ARE INVITED. >> AND PROATOAKOKKUS WILL BE THE

[5.3 HDC 2021-0006 - TIMOTHY POYNTER, 231 N. FRONT STREET]

RIGHT DEAL. >> HDC2021-0006, MR. POYNTER, 231 NORTH FRONT STREET.

SAL? >> LET ME CHANGE MY VIEW HERE THIS IS HDC2021-0006 PROPERTY LOCATED AT 231 NORTH FRONT STREET CURRENTLY A VACANT INDUSTRIAL OFFICE.

IT WAS ZONED IN THE I1 ZONING DISTRICT CONSTRUCTED IN 1926. THEY ARE SEEKING A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO RELOCATE THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOP AREA.

THE STRUCTURE IS CURRENTLY LOCATED IN THE NORTH WATERFRONT DESIGN AREA OF THE CRA AND THE PROPOSED LOCATION IS LOCATED IN THE EAST FRONT STREET DESIGN AREA.

THIS IS THE SITE MAP, THE 231 BUILDING WHERE THE CURSER IS UP ON THE LEFT AND DOWN ON THE BOTTOM HERE IS THE PROPOSED LOCATION LOOKING AT RELOCATING A STRUCTURE, SOME OF THE THINGS WE CONSIDERED, BY THAT, ALTHOUGH THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA GUIDELINES FOCUS, IT'S MAINLY ON NEW CONSTRUCTION. IT IT REALLY DOESN'T TALK ABOUT HISTORIC STRUCTURES OR MOVING STRUCTURES AND AS I NOTED, IT FALLS WITHIN THE GUIDELINES FOR THE WATERFRONT DESIGN AREA KNOWN AS THE NORTH WATERFRONT AREA. ALSO THE PUBLIC WATERFRONT PARK AREA AND THE SOUTH WATERFRONT PARK AREA ALL HAVE THE SAME DESIGN STANDARDS. THE GUIDELINES STATE THAT THE INDUSTRIESAL VERNACULAR STYLE SHOULD BE USED AS A BASIS FOR DESIGN DECISIONS IN THESE DESIGNED AREAS, ALTHOUGH THE EVIDENCE OF THESE TYPES OF STRUCTURES IN FERNANDINA COMES FROM THE [INDISCERNIBLE] RECORDS, WATERFRONTS THE WORLD OVER, DEMONSTRATES THE FUNCTIONALITY AND ECONOMIC AND HE CONOMIC AND AESTHETIC [READING] AS EVIDENCED BY THIS DESIGN, THIS HISTORIC STRUCTURE EMBODIES ALL OF THE CHARACTERISTICS WE ARE SEEKING IN THE BUILDING STYLE ON THE WATERFRONT, AS ONE OF THE EXAMPLES THAT THIS TYPE OF ARCHITECTURAL ON THE WORKING WATER FRONT IT REPRESENTS A RARE RESOURCE THAT EMBODIES THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OF THE THE CITY OF FERNANDINA. IT'S NOT A GREAT DISTANCE FROM THE WATERFRONT, EAST OF THE DISTRICT, HAS A VERY DIFFERENT CHARACTER.

THE GUIDELINES STATE THIS AREA SHOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE HISTORIC COMMERCIAL DOWNTOWN PARTICULARLY ALONG SECOND STREET, ALTHOUGH THEY VARY, IT'S FOLLOWED BY THE FOLLOWING AREAS

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OF THE BUILDING: [READING]. >> ANOTHER CONSIDERATION WHEN RELOCATING STRUCTURES WITHIN THE HISTORIC AREA, SIGNIFICANCE, IS THAT OF CONTEXT. [READING] DUE TO THAT INCOMPATIBILITY TO THE STRUCTURE TO THE PROPOSED NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SIGNIFICANT NATIVE IMPACT OF REMOVING THE BUILDING FROM ITS HISTORIC CONTEXT TO BOTH THE BUILDING AND THE WATERFRONT AS A WHOLE STAFF CANNOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS RELOCATION. STAFF FINDS THAT THE REQUESTED ACTION AS PRESENTED IS NOT SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS AND THE WATERFRONT COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AREA AND STAFF

RECOMMENDS DENIAL OF HDC2021-0006. >> THANK YOU, SAL.

QUESTIONS? >> SAL, WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING IS RENOVATION OF THE NEW

BUILDING, NOT CONSIDERING ANY FUTURE USE? >> CORRECT.

THAT WOULD COME LATER. IF THE BUILDING GOT MOVED WHATEVER HAPPENED TO IT WOULD COME BACK TO THE BOARD. THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL TO MOVE IT.

IT'S NOT A FINAL APPROVAL. >> THANK YOU. >> .

>> ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? >> HOYE IS A MOVE CONCEPTUAL? >> I HEAR THAT AS A QUESTION OF

DO WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE BUILDING IN ANOTHER LOCATION? >> I AGREE.

I THINK THAT WOULD REALLY BE THE QUESTION THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO ANSWER TODAY WITH CONCEPTUAL.

WOULD STILL HAVE TO COME BACK FOR FINAL APPROVAL TO BE RELOCATED TO THE THAT SITE.

>> YOU HAVE TO USE YOUR IMAGINATION. >> WE'LL HAVE MORE INFORMATION

TO WHAT RENOVATIONS WILL BE DONE [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> MOST LIKELY AT THAT TIME, YES. THERE'S USUALLY A RELOCATION APPLICATION AND A REHAB APPLICATION THAT WILL COME IN TOGETHER TO TELL US WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THAT BUILDING.

>> BUT [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> EXACTLY. >>S DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION,

MIKE? >> NO. JUST CLARIFYING.

WOULD THE APPLICANT PLEASE STEP FORWARD AND GIVE US HIS NAME AND ADDRESS, AS IF WE DIDN'T KNOW.

TELL US ABOUT THE PROJECT. >> CONTINUALLY 671ST AVENUE, FERNANDINA BEACH, TIM POYNTER.

I SAW MONTHS AGO THERE WAS A SITUATION WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO DEMOLISH THIS BUILDING AND THE CITY AT ONE TIME WAS TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO MOVE IT DOWN TO THE WATERFRONT AND THEN WHERE DOES THE CITY GET THE MONEY, AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE HERE. I STEPPED UP AND SAID TO THE OWNERS OF THE BUILDING I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TAKE IT OFF THEIR HANDS IF THERE'S NO ONE ELSE THAT WANTED IT AND IT CAN'T GET MOVED. I STILL DON'T KNOW IF IT CAN GET MOVED. I KNOW THE RAILROAD IS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE IF I CAN'T TAKE IT THROUGH DAD AND DOWN DADE STREET, DOWN SECOND STREET, AND MIGHT HAVE TO BE CUT IN HALF SO IT'S A LOT OF MONEY TO DO ALL THIS TYPE OF STUFF. IT'S AN INTERESTING BUILDING.

EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAID IS ACCURATE WHICH IS THE ONLY REASON I'M INTERESTED IN IT TO BEGIN WITH AND, YES, IT'S GOING TO BE NEXT TO A MINIATURE GOLF COURSE, A PUTT-PUTT, BUT,

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I'M SURE YOU'LL HAVE TO FIGURE SOMETHING ELSE OUT BUT THE OWNER HAS BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS BUILDING GONE SINCE OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR AND I'M JUST STEPPING UP TO SEE WHAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE

TO DO. >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR CIVIC MINDEDNESS.

QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, HOW IS THE CONVERSATION GOING WITH YOUR

MOVER AND CSF? >> I MET WITH CSX, OR ONE OF THE PERSONS THERE, AND THIS SAID, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO TAKE IT IN [INDISCERNIBLE] I WOULDN'T -- BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE PORT ENTRANCE IS, THAT WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE. THE MOVE VERR SAID THE ISSUE WITH THAT IS COMING DOWN 2ND STREET, THE PUBLIC DRIVEWAYS AND STUFF, AND THERE'S SOME TELEPHONE POLES AND ELECTRIC POLES, THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM AND THEY'RE SAYING THE BEST WAY TO MOVE IT OVER TO THE PROPERTY WOULD BE COMING DOWN FRONT STRAIGHT AND THEN GOING OVER THE VACANT LOTS, LIKE GOODSELL'S PROPERTY OR WHATEVER AND THERE'S LESS TO DO WITH THAT BUT THAT'S

A BIG ISSUE WITH THE RAILROAD. >> BECAUSE IT'S NOT PAVED. >> THERE'S NOTHING.

THEN ALL THAT BECOMES POTENTIALLY A VERY BIG EXPENSE IF YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH THE RAILROAD TO GET THAT ACROSS AND I THINK WHEN THE CITY WAS LOOKING AT IT, MOVING IT DOWN FRONT STREET, MAYBE TO PARKING LOT C, IT WAS ALMOST THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY WITH JUST

PUTTING IT ON A BARGE AND MOVING IT DOWN. >> THIS IS 40 BY 42?

>> WHEN I WALKED SECOND SENSED IT WAS DOODLE TO THE NAKED EYE. I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT YOU

SAID. >> IT'S NOT DOABLE COMING DOWN SECOND STREET BEING THAT AWAY.

>> HAVE YOU TALKED TO DICK? WOULD HE BE AMENABLE, IF IT WORKS WITH CSX, WOULD HE BE

AMENABLE TO YOU COMING OVER THE BIG LOT? >> ACTUALLY THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THE BUILDING ALSO OWN THE VACANT LOT AT THE DEAD END OF BROOM SO THAT'S A VACANT LOT AS WELL.

THEY COULD COME OVER THAT WAY AS WELL. YOU'VE GOT BROOM STREET WHERE IT

DEAD ENDS. >> I SUGGEST WE DON'T SPEND TOO MUCH TIME TALKING ABOUT THE FEASIBILITIES AND THE WAYS OF MOVING IT. THE QUESTION BEFORE IS WHERE YOU

WANT TO ALLOW IT TO MOVE -- ALLOW IT TO MOVE. >> YES.

ARE WE HAPPY WITH IT LEAVING ITS CURRENT LOCATION? WOULD WE BE HAPPY IN ITS

PROPOSED LOCATION? >> ARE YOU DONE WITH ME? >> THANK YOU.

>> SO WANT TO SAY THAT I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING BECAUSE I THINK PROBABLY MOST OF US SPOKE WITH PEOPLE AND DID THE MATH AND IT'S A BIG INVESTMENT TO SAVE THE BUILDING AND I APPRECIATE THAT. I SPENT A LOT OF TIME RESEARCHING THIS PARTICULAR CASE BECAUSE I TRUST THAT THE PROJECT DONE BY YOU WOULD BE DONE AND DONE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY HOWEVER I REALLY CAN'T FIND ANYTHING IN THE STATE OR THE NATIONAL GUIDELINES THAT DOESN'T SAY THAT MOVING, I FEEL LIKE MOVING THIS BUILDING AWAY FROM THE WATERFRONT DAMAGES THE HISTORIC VALUE OF THE PROPERTY SIGNIFICANTLY. IT SEEMS LIKE ALL OF THE GUIDELINES ARE PRETTY CLEAR THAT THE HISTORIC VALUE OF THIS PROPERTY IS TIED TO THE SETTING, THE WATERFRONT AND DIRECTLY ON THE WATER WHERE IT EXISTS AND THAT'S WHY IT'S HARD TOO ME

[01:40:01]

>> THANK YOU FOR THAT LUCID EXPLANATION. ANYTHING FURTHER, GENTLEMAN.

>> WHEN I'M LOOKING AT PICTURES OF 2ND STREET FROM WAY BACK, [INDISCERNIBLE] CONCEPTUALIZING THIS PROPERTY FOR US, THE RESEARCH IS EXCELLENT, AND WHEN I LOOK AT PICTURES, AND I LOOK AT THE TWO WEARS, WEEING ONE NOW, ADJACENT, WHICH WOULD BE IMMEDIATELY ACROSS THE STREET AND THIS STREET WAS FILLED WITH WAREHOUSES AND BUILDINGS OF THIS TYPE AT ONE TIME.

OUR GUIDELINES HAVE TAKEN IT INTO A MORE ELEGANT PERHAPS DIRECTION.

IT LOSES HIS HISTORICAL DIFFERENCE MOVING IT AWAY. NOT MOVING AWAY FROM THE WATERFRONT WE'LL PROBABLY SEE IT DEMOLISHED. SO EVEN IF IT'S SOMEWHAT OUT OF CONTEXT, REMOVING IT, AND HAVING SAID THAT, I THINK ONCE IT'S THERE I THINK WE'RE ALL GOING TO SAY, WOW, THAT'S PRETTY COOL. THAT IS A GOOD PLACE, ESPECIALLY FACING THE BUILDING, WHICH OF COURSE WAS AT TIME A [INDISCERNIBLE] OF SORTS, A PLACE FOR SELLING MARINE SUPPLIES AND [INDISCERNIBLE] SO WHILE I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID, THERE'S A TREMENDOUS VALUE IN HELPING THE PUBLIC GOOD MOVE FORWARD BY NOT LETTING THE PERFECT BE THE END.

>> WE NEED TO ASK IF THERE IS ANY PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS CASE, EITHER IN THE ROOM OR ONLINE I SEE NO ONE HERE. DO WE HAVE ANYONE ONLINE?

>> I DON'T BELIEVE SO. >> SAL, IS HIS ASSERTION THAT IF THIS BUILDING IS NOT MOVED IT

WILL BE DEMOLISHED, CORRECT? >> SO THE BOARD DOES HAVE A DEMOLITION COA APPLICATION BEFORE IT THAT WE'VE CONTINUED A COUPLE OF TIMES. THE BOARD, TO GRANT THE DEMOLITION COA WOULD HAVE TO RECEIVE CREDIBLE SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THE

THAT. >> SO YOU'RE SAYING IT'S WITHIN THE POWER OF THIS BODY TO

PREVENT DEMOLISHING. >> CORRECT. >> I THINK THIS IS SUCH A DIFFICULT POSITION THAT WE'RE IN BECAUSE I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT IS SAID AND I THINK THEY DO A GREAT JOB OF EMBRACING ESPECIALLY THE INDUSTRIAL VERNACULAR ESPECIALLY AS THEY DONE WITH THEIR RESTAURANTS, AND AS A PRESERVATION I WANT TO BUILDING SAVED.

I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF HESITATION, AND I'VE MOVED BUILDINGS AND RAISED THEM AND SOMETIMES YOU HAVE THE BEST INTENT AND IF YOU DO HAVE TO CUT IT OR DO SOMETHING YOU'VE LOST THE BUILDING AND THEN WE'RE ALMOST BECOMING AN ORGAN DONOR AND COMPLETELY LOSING THE BUILDING AND MAYBE SOME PIECES ARE SAVED BUT THAT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE JUMPING AHEAD A LITTLE BIT AND THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION GRAPEVINE THERE'S A POTENTIAL OTHER INTERESTED PARTY OUT THERE SO I DON'T KNOW, DO WE STAY THIS JUST FOR A MOMENT? IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING AT THIS POINT. SEE IF SOMEBODY ELSE COMES FORWARD AND WE CAN PRESERVE THIS ON THE WATER IN ITS LOATHES BECAUSE I DO THINK, I'M TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO MAKE THIS WORK AND I'VE GONE THROUGH THE GUIDELINES AND DONE A LOT OF THE SAME THINGS THERESA HAS DONE, AND A THAT WAS ONE CONCERN AND THE OTHER ONE THAT SPEAKS TO HIS POINT IS OUR GUIDELINES DO HAVE SECOND STREET MORE TOWARDS THE COMMERCIAL AND ON TOP OF THAT WE HAVE ALREADY APPROVED SEVERAL

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THAT'S MY STICKY POINTS RIGHT THERE. >> WHILE IT'S NOT UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THIS BOARD UNDER THIS PARTICULAR CASE I THINK THAT BY NOT HAVING THE RFP FOR THIS PROPERTY THAT WE MAY BE MISSING OUT ON POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY LIKE YOU SAID FOR SOMEBODY TO KEEP IT ON THE WATERFRONT AND IN ADDITION TO THAT WE HAVE A WATERFRONT PARK THAT HAS A

BUILDING DRAWN ON IT THAT IT'S SIMILAR IN SIZE. >> I THINK WE'VE HEARD FROM COMMISSIONERS IN PRIOR CONVERSATIONS THAT [INDISCERNIBLE] TO TAKE THIS BUILDING OFF THE CITY PROPERTY. I THINK IT WILL PROBABLY BE -- WELL, YOU AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT HAPPEN. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A CAPACITY FOR THE CITY TO ASSUME THAT.

>> DIDN'T THE COMMISSIONERS PASS THE VOTE TO PUT OUT AN RFP FOR THIS BUILDING?

IS THAT HAPPENING? >> IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE ROOM THAT CAN ANSWER THAT, I CAN.

IT WAS DISCUSSED BUT IT WASN'T A FORMAL MOVE TO DO AN RFP. IT WHAT'S JUST AN OPTION.

>> WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US IS CONCEPTUAL AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE IT.

THIS MAY NOT BE THE LAST CONVERSATION WE HAVE ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING.

>> I SENSE THAT THE MOOD OF THE COUNCIL HERE IS THAT THIS IS -- THIS WOULD NOT BE OUR FIRST PREFERENCE AS A SOLUTION BUT IF OTHER DOGS THAT ARE RUNNING DO NOT REACH THE FINISH LINE IT'S MAYBE SOMETHING WE WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER IN SOME FORM SO I DON'T KNOW HOW ONE WOULD EITHER APPROVE SO THAT THE MOTION WILL BE -- PERHAPS A CONTINUATION OF THIS?

>> MR. CHAIRMAN, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE -- AND I'M GOING TO MOVE AT THIS MOMENT, I'D BE INTERESTING IN MOVING [INDISCERNIBLE] CONCEPTUAL GROUP AND SO THAT MR. POINTER AND HIS TEAM CAN CONTINUE THEIR WORK. HE CAN'T SPEND MONEY ON THIS WITH AT LEAST A CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. IT'S GOING TO TAKE CONSULTING, SO LET ME JUST ASK, WOULD THERE

BE A SECOND [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> IF I CAN JUST QUESTION OR EXTEND YOUR LOGIC THAT IF YOU DO GET THAT TO PASS AND HE'S SPENDING MONEY ON THIS, IT APPEARS THAT YOU'RE PUTTING YOUR FINGER ON THE SCALES MUCH MORE IN FAVOR OF THIS MOVE THAN YOU PROBABLY WANT.

>> LET'S BE CLEAR, I THINK THIS IS THE BEST SOLUTION TO A DIFFICULT PROBLEM BUT I'M NOT

GOING TO MOVE IT IF THERE'S NOT SUPPORT FOR THIS. >> LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION,

WOULD THERE BE A SECOND TO APPROVE THE CONCEPTUAL? >> WHAT I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF GIVING YOU A SECOND AND I WOULD BASE THAT ON WHAT I SEE OPTIMISTICALLY AS A NONTOWARD OPPORTUNITY AND AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WOULD TAKE ALL OF SAL'S ANALYSIS TO WHEN THIS GETS PLACED ON A NEW SITE, HOW DOES IT GET PLACED THERE? CAN YOU BRING ANY OTHER FACETS TO THE PLACEMENT OF THAT ELEMENT TO HELP IT MEET ALL THESE EXCELLENT POINTS THAT SAL BROUGHT OUT AND MY SINCE AS A DESIGNER IS THAT AT LEAST WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A SITUATION WHERE MAYBE WE CAN SEE SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD TAKE SAL'S ANALYSIS AS A TRAJECTORY OR GUIDELINE TO HELP PLACE THIS AND FIT IT AND MAKE IT PART OF THAT SECTION OF OUR TOWN. IT WON'T BE EASY AND IT WON'T BE A SIMPLE FIX BUT CERTAINLY IF THAT'S KEPT IN MIND IT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL OR IT MIGHT GET US TO WHERE WE FEEL MUCH BETTER ABOUT

[01:50:06]

>> I THINK THAT'S A GREAT POINT. THE OTHER HALF OF THAT THOUGH IS THE LOSS OF IT FROM THE WATERFRONT SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE TWO POINTS' ARGUMENT THERE THAT IT DIDN'T NECESSARILY FIT.

I THINK IT CAN BE MADE TO FIT. IF WE DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT LOSING THIS STRUCTURE, IT WOULD BE A NO-BRAINER BUT BECAUSE IT'S INTEGRAL TO THE WATERFRONT, AND WHAT, ARE THERE'S TWO BUILDINGS LEFT, SO I THINK THAT'S THE OTHER PART. IF WE APPROVED A MOVE WOULD THAT

PRECLUDE SOMEBODY ELSE LOOKING INTO IT? >> IT WOULDN'T PRECLUDE.

MAYBE DISCOURAGE BUT NOT PRECLUDE. TO MOVE IT TO THIS LOCATION

WOULD STILL REQUIRE A FINAL APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD. >> LOOK, IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE, I'M A [INDISCERNIBLE] IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE TO IS INTERESTED IN MOVING THE BUILDING ONTO THE WATERFRONT, GET THAT PERSON TO MOVE IT TO THE WATERFRONT.

I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THAT. IF THAT'S WHAT IS REFERABLE, THAT'S WHAT PREFERRABLE BUT A CONCEPTUAL, TO START SPENDING DOLLARS ON A CONCEPTUAL THING, AFTER I SPEND MONEY, COME BACK AND SEE IF I GET APPROVAL, I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT. THAT'S A LOT OF FOR TO DO THIS KIND OF STUFF AND IT'S NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, TEND NOT TO BE CAVALIER ABOUT IT BUT IF -- I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY CAN REQUIRE THE OWNERS OF THE BUILDING TO PUT OUT AN RFP FOR THE CITY. I DON'T KNOW. TO DO THAT.

MAYBE THAT'S WHY THE CITY DIDN'T PUT OUT AN RFP. THEY DON'T OWN THE PROPERTY.

ANYWAY IF SOMEONE WANTS TO COME FORWARD AND MOVE IT, THERE'S NOT TOO MANY PLACES TO MOVE IT EXCEPT ON CITY PROPERTY SO THAT'S ANOTHER WHOLE DEAL AND ANOTHER WHOLE ISSUE AND IF THE CITY COMMISSION WANTS TO GET INVOLVED IN THAT AND YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO MOVE IT THERE AND PAY FOR IT AND SO ON, I'M ALL FOR THAT BUT IF PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO, THEN THIS IS A

POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITY. >> THANK YOU. >> I THINK MS. DUNCAN'S ARGUMENT STILL APPLIES, THAT IF THE BUILDING IS MOVED ANYWHERE ELSE, MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I MAKE A

MOTION? YES, SIR. >> THANK.

I MOVE TO APPROVE 20-210006, CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL. I MOVE THAT HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS AND CONCLUSIONS OF PART OF THE RECORD, THAT HDC2021-0006 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE CODE [READING] WARRANTING APPROVAL AT

THIS TIME GOOD. >> IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND.

>> DISCUSSION. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. IF WE APPROVE THIS, SO HE'S STILL LOOKING AT THE DOLLARS AND HE'S NOT SURE THAT HE CAN EVEN MOVE IT, SO IF HE DECIDES NOT TO MOVE IT, THEN IT'S JUST DROPPED. IF THEY DECIDE IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE OR THEY PIECEMEAL IT DURING THE MOVE, HOW DOES THAT AFFECT IT? I GUESS THE NEXT APPLICANT HAS TO TALK ABOUT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE IT, WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE, WHERE IT'S GOING, ALL THE DETAILS ASSOCIATED WITH IT? I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ARTICULATING, TAMMY.

>> TRYING TO. >> -- IS THE FLAW IN CONSIDERING A CONCEPTUAL.

IT'S KIND OF LIKE BEING ASKED TO VOTE ON A HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION THERE'S TOO MANY POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVES DOWN THE LINE AND MY SENSE IS THAT WHAT WE REALLY WANT HERE IS A SORT OF NEUTRAL VOTE THAT SAYS, WHILE WE DON'T OBJECT TO IT, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY ENCOURAGE IT IF

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>> MR. CHAIRMAN, WHAT WOULD THOSE OPTIONS BE IF THE CITY IS NOT WILLING TO BE?

>> I DON'T KNOW. >> IS THERE ANOTHER WATERFRONT PROPERTY THAT THIS COULD BE LOCATED TO? MY SENSE IS THERE'S NOT. IF THE CITY IS NOT [INDISCERNIBLE] LET ME BACK UP. OF COURSE [INDISCERNIBLE] HEARD ANYBODY STEP UP AND SAY THAT WOULD BE THE IDEA. [INDISCERNIBLE] MADE THE ARGUMENT THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY HERE. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYBODY ELSE COME FORWARD TO US.

I THINK THIS WOULD REINFORCE WHAT WAS SAID, ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS HAVE TO BE ANSWERED

BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE. >> SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MIKE, IS THAT THE COUNCIL IS SAYING WE

WOULD NOT OBJECT IF THIS HAPPENS. >> I THINK THAT'S A VERY ACCURATE WAY OF PUTTING IT DOWN THE PATH OF TRYING TO GET SOMETHING DONE AND THAT'S ALWAYS

BETTER THAN STOPPING IT. >> SAL, HOW DOES THAT JIVE WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS?

ARE YOU GOING STRAIGHT BY THE BOOK? >> FOR A FINAL APPROVAL, THESE

GUIDELINES STILL APPLY. >> SO WHEN WE COME BACK TO A FINAL WE STILL HAVE THE SAME CONUNDRUM WE'RE UP AGAINST. WHEN WE APPROVED THE BUILDING NEXT TO THE CHURCH, IT WAS MOVING INTO THE SAME CONTEXT, THE FABRIC, EVERYTHING HAD TO BE THE SAME, AND THEY HAD THE DOLLARS FIGURED OUT AND THEY CAME WITH THE FINAL PLAN AND HERE'S THE DOLLARS AND HERE'S WHERE IT'S GOING. SO WE'RE KIND OF WALKING ON THIN AIR.

>> THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND. PLEASE CALL THE QUESTION.

>> MEMBER COSSACK. >> NO. >> MR. POZZETTA.

>> YES. >> MEMBER SPINO. >> YES.

>> MEMBER DUNCAN. >> YES. >> CHAIR HARRISON.

>> NO. >> I THINK THE MOTION PASSES. THANK YOU.

TIM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR. >> [INDISCERNIBLE] CONCEPTUALLY IT'S OKAY TO MOVE FORWARD?

>> YES. >> I'M CURIOUS ON MEETING THE CRITERIA, AND THE MAIN CRITERIA WAS BEING ON THE WATER AND OBVIOUSLY THAT WILL NEVER BE MET.

IS THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS TO BE APPROVED FOR THE FINAL APPROVAL?

>> A LOT OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY ARE STILL GOING TO BE THE ISSUES THAT ARE IN YOUR FINAL APPROVAL SO THE BOARD WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS THOSE IN GRANTING OR DENYING YOUR APPLICATION.

>> MS. CO-ZACH HAS CLEARLY ARTICULATED THE COMMENTS AND [INDISCERNIBLE] USED THAT IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT. WE APPROVED THE CONCEPTUAL.

>> RIGHT. >> WE HAVEN'T APPROVED THE [INDISCERNIBLE].

>> [INDISCERNIBLE], THANK YOU, CHAIR HARRISON. MY NAME IS SUSAN TAM, 404 BROOM STREET, I LIVE. I SEE WE HAVE TWO COMMISSIONERS HERE TONIGHT AND I BELIEVE THAT WHEN THIS CAME UP BEFORE THE COMMISSION AT A PREVIOUS MEETING, THE OWNERS, THE CURRENT OWNERS OF THE WAREHOUSE INDICATED THAT THEY WERE WILLING TO HOLD OFF PURSUING DEMOLITION UNTIL MAY OR JUNE. I THINK THAT WAS THE TIME FRAME GIVEN.

SO TO ME THERE'S ISN'T A LOT OF TIME TO EITHER CONSIDER OTHER OPTIONS OR, YOU KNOW -- WHAT

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THAT'S THE ONLY POINT I WANTED TO MAKE. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. COMMENTS?

[5.4 HDC 2021-0007 - JAMES POZZETTA ARCHITECT, AGENT FOR DAVID SHIELDS, 1015 SOMERUELUS STREET]

NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS. >> HDC2021-0007, JAMES POE ZETA ARCHITECT, AGENT FOR DAVID

SHIELDS, 1015SOMERUELUS >> HDC2021-0007, JAMES POE ZETA STREET.

>> [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> SAL. >> THIS IS

>> HDC2021-0007, JAMES POE ZETA ARCHITECT, AGENT FOR DAVID SHIELDS, 1015SOMERUELUS STREET.

I N OLD TOWN, OT 1 , CURRENTLY A VACANT PARCEL. HERE'S THE AERIAL. IT IS AN INTERIOR -- SEEKING APPROVAL TO CONTRACTOR STUCK A TWO YOU A STORY WOOD FRAMEDS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS WITH DETACHED CARPORT, FIRST FLOOR, STUCCO, SECOND, HARDY LAB FINISH, ROOF, METAL, EXPOSED RAFTERS, WRAP--ROUND WOOD PORCH ON PEACE WITH A WOOD FRAME. THE HOME DESIGNS IS COMPUTER SPATTABLE IN TERMS OF MATERIAL, WE FIND IS APPROPRIATE, AND WE FIND THE REQUESTED ACTION AS PRESENTED IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDS AND THE OLD TOWN RESERVATION AND DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES AND IS REPRESENTING APPROVAL OF HDC2021-0007. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, SAL. DOES COUNCIL HAVE QUESTIONS? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, SAL, THIS IS

LITERALLY THE LOT NEXT TO THE CHISM PROJECT? >> CORRECT.

>> [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR SAL? WOULD THE APPLICANT PLEASE

SPEAK? >> NAME AND ADDRESS. >> JAMES POE ZETA, ARCHITECT, 103 SOUTH 18TH STREET, FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA. WE DO HAVE ONE CHANGE AT THE BEHEST OF THE OWNER. THEY WOULD LIKE TO MODIFY THE ROOF FROM METAL TO SHINGLE ROOF.

>> A SHINGLE ROOF. >> DENIED. >> THE BASIC CONCEPT THAT WE WERE GOING FOR IS TO PROVIDE A STREET FACADE. THE WOOD PORCHES THAT ARE ON PIER ELEMENTS, WOOD FRAME IN BETWEEN, AND THEN THE FIRST FLOOR, STUCCO ELEMENT, AND THEN ABOVE THAT WOULD BE THE LAP SIDING DETAILING AT THE SECOND FLOOR.

IT HAS A CARPORT ELEMENT IN THE VERY BACK THAT WILL ALLOW FOR SOME STORAGE IN THE REAR OF THE

PROPERTY, AND WON'T REALLY BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. >> THANK YOU.& DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS OF MR. POZZETTA? IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE

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WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST? >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

>> LOOKING AT THIS IN CONTEXT WITH THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED NEXT DOOR PROPERTY IT LOOKS LIKE THE DRIVEWAYS ARE GOING TO BE ABITTING EACH OTHER. IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION TO PUT LANDSCAPING OR SOMETHING THAT SEPARATE THOSE TWO DRIVEWAYS?

NOT HAVING DRIVEWAYS NEXT TO EACH OTHER. >> THE DRIVEWAY, BECAUSE THE

CHISM -- [CROSSTALK] . >> THEY'RE ACCESSING IT -- [CROSSTALK] .

>> MY MISTAKE. I THOUGHT THEY WERE COMING IN FROM THE FRONT.

>> SO NO QUESTIONS? >> I RETRACT MY QUESTION. >> LOOKING TO DO A RIBBON DRIVE

SO THERE BE A MINIMAL AMOUNT OF HARDSCAPE. >> I HAVE A QUESTION ALONG THE GUIDELINES. [INDISCERNIBLE] DEFINE THAT IN OUR GUIDELINES ONE WAY OR THE

OTHER. >> I BELIEVE WE'RE GOING WITH PERVIOUS.

YOU WOULD BE HARD-PRESSED TO DESIGN ANYTHING IN OLD TOWN FOR SURE TO MEET THAT IF YOU USED A

CONCRETE. >> IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO

SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST? ANYONE ONLINE, SAL? >> I DON'T BELIEVE SO.

>> I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. I'M SORRY. THIS IS OUT OF CURIOSITY.

YOU NOTATED A SUNRISE SUNSET PORCH. >> BECAUSE YOU CAN ACTUALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN AT THE SECOND FLOOR YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE -- [CROSSTALK] .

>> OKAY. >> THE OCEAN [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> YEAH.

ANYBODY ONLINE? >> NO, SIR. >> WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

BOARD DISCUSSION? >> ANOTHER [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> YES.

>> I THINK THE PLANS ARE AMAZING. I LOVE HAVING ALL THIS INFORMATION THAT'S PRESENTED AND THE DETAIL, AND I ALMOST FEEL LIKE THIS SHOULD BE ON THEM,

UNDERSTANDING THE SETTING AND HOW IT PLAYS OUT. >> POZZETTA, WHEN HE WAS ON THE

COUNCIL, A REAL STICKLER. >> THE FOAM HERE, IS THIS STEP-OUT CMU?

YOU HAVE THE VENTING ON IT? >> PORTIONS HAVE TRUE LOUVERED VENTS ON THE PORCHING BUT NOT

PREPARE TO DO STUCCO ON RAISED PIERS. >> SO THIS IS RAISED PIER?

>> SUPPORT FOR THE PORCH. >> FOR THE PORCH. SO ON THE SIDE DIDN'T YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT SAID SEE FOUNDATION PLAN AND I WAS CURIOUS HOW YOU'RE ACHIEVING THE

LOUVERS ON THE SIDE. >> SAL IS SHOWING HERE THIS SHOWS THE PIER ELEMENT AND THEN THESE PIECES ARE THE LOUVER THAT GOES IN BETWEEN THEM AND THEY'RE SET BACK FROM THE FACE.

>> I GET THAT. ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, DON'T YOU HAVE IT ALSO RUNNING

AROUND THE SIDE OF THE WHOLE BUILDING. >> NO.

THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING IS ALL STUCCO. SO STUCCO MASONRY AND --

[CROSSTALK] . >> SO JUST WHERE YOU HAVE THE LOUVERS SHOWN, THOSE ARE PIERS

SO THOSE ARE IN BETWEEN TWO PIERS. RIGHT. >> GOT IT.

THANK YOU. >> BOARD DISCUSSION? >> DO WE HAVE SHINGLES APPROVED IN OLD TOWN. HAVE WE APPROVED SHINGLES OUT THERE?

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>> [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> . >> I MOVE TO APPROVE

HDC2021-0007, AND I MOVE THAT [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> SECOND.

>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE CALL THE QUESTION. >> YOU WANT TO ADD IN THERE THE CHANGE THAT WAS REQUESTED, THE ROOFING MATERIAL, AND THE CONDITION YOU APPROVE IT AS PRESENTED TONIGHT WITH THE CHANGE FROM METAL TO ASPHALT SHINGLE?

>> ARE YOU CLEAR? >> YES. DO I HAVE TO READ IT OVER.

>> I THINK WE'VE HEARD THE INTENT PART OF THAT QUESTION. >> AS LONG AS THE SECOND IS

OKAY. >> WE'RE THERE. I THINK ABOUT THIS, SAL, IF HE TELLS US THAT'S WHAT THE CHANGE IS AND WHEN WE GO TO APPROVE IT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE APPROVING.

IF I'M WRONG TELL ME. >> WHAT HISTORICALLY WILL BE IN THE ACTUAL RECORD EIGHT STAFF REPORT WILL BE WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE. OTHER STUFF WILL BE ADD IN SUPPLEMENTALLY BUT FOR THE RECORD TO MAKE IT CLEAR IF ANYBODY LOOKS AT THIS IN THE

FUTURE IT WILL HAVE THAT MOTION IN THERE. >> THANK YOU.

>> THE MOTION TO DECIDE, AS SUBMITTED WITH THE CHANGE TO SHINGLES ON THE ROOF.

PLEASE CALL THE REQUEST. >> [VOTE]

[5.5 HDC 2021-0008 - MOSER DESIGN GROUP, AGENT FOR RICHARD & DONNA KURPIERS, 920 SAN FERNANDO STREET ]

>> CONGRATULATIONS. >> THE NEXT CASE, 0008, MOSER DESIGN GROUP, RICHARD AND DONNA

KURPIERS, 920 SAN FERNANDO. >> ZONED OT1, CURRENTLY A VACANT PARCEL.

THE REQUEST IS A CERTET OF APPROVAL TO CONDUCT A TWO-STORY PRIMARY STRUCTURE AND DETACHED ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. IT'S A CORNER LOT, COMPRISED OF TWO [INDISCERNIBLE], LOTS ONE AND TWO, AND THE NEW HOUSE AND OUT BUILDING ARE TO BE LOCATED ON BLOCK EIGHT, LOTS ONE AND TWO ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF SAN FERNANDO AND [INDISCERNIBLE]. 1,190 SQUARE FOOT, GARAGE, 403 SQUARE FOOT. COVERAGE, 36 PERCENT, AND THE HEIGHT IS WITHIN THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS FOR BOTH THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND HOUSE AND THE HOUSE WAS DESIGNED WITH A WRAPPING FRONT PORCH AND ADDITIONAL SIDE PORCHES TO ADDRESS THE MID-LOT VISIBILITY CORRIDOR, THE SIZE MASS AND SCALE OF THE STRUCTURE ALONG WITH THE GABE FRONT FORM RELATED TO OTHER HOUSES ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF SAN FERNANDO STREET. WHEN ANALYZING IT THE STAFF FINDS THE HOME DESIGN IS COMPATIBLE WITH OLD TOWN AND STAFF FINDS THE REQUESTED ACTION AS PRESENTED IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE SECOND OF INTERIOR STANDS AND THE OLD TOWN PRESS VISION AND GUIDELINES AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF HDC2021-0008. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? >> HAVE WE SEEN THIS BEFORE?

>> NO. >> HOW DO WE SAY THE OWNER'S NAME.

>> THEY ARE JOINING US VIA ZOOM SO WE CAN GET THEM ON THEY SHOULD BE UNMUTED.

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>> I'M HERE, LAUREN. >> HELLO. >> WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU. I WOULD TURN THE VIDEO ON BUT I DON'T SEE ANY WAY TO DO THAT.

>> YOU WANTED TO TALK TO US ABOUT THIS? >> I THINK HE DID THAT PRETTY WELL. WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS HOUSE WITH THE PIERS AND FEEL LIKE IT FITS WELL ON THE LOT. ADDRESSES THE MID-LOT ABILITY CORRIDOR AND NICE PORCHES TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE CORNER. I'D DIRECT ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT ANYONE HAS.

>> LOOKS REMARKABLY SIMILAR TO OUR MOSER-DESIGNED BUILDING AT THE MOMENT.

ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? ANYBODY ONLINE, SAL? >> WE HAVE ONE GUEST.

LET ME SEE IF THEY'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THAT. >> I JUST SENT A TEXT TO SEE IF THAT PERSON WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS CASE. I'LL WAIT FOR A RESPONSE IF YOU

HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. >> OKAY. THANK YOU.

>> ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ANYBODY IN THE ROOM WANT TO

SPEAK? BOARD DISCUSSION? >> [INDISCERNIBLE].

>> I THINK THIS BIDDING FITS NICELY ON THE LOT AND WITH THE STRUNG SURE NEXT TO IT.

THIS IS A BIG BUILDING, AS IS THE EXISTING ONE THAT IS THERE. I THINK THERE'S A SLIGHT GRADE TO THE LOT BUT NOT MUCH. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE ANY HEIGHT ISSUES.

SOMETIMES WE BUMP UP AGAINST THE MEASUREMENT OF THE BUILDING. WHAT ARE WE AT?

WE'RE TIGHT BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY ISSUES. >> IF YOU DO, MR. CHISM

[INDISCERNIBLE]. >> THAT'S WHAT I FORGOT. >> I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT I THINK IT'S VERY APPRECIATE TO HAVE THE CHIMNEY HAVE A MASONRY CLADDING, IN THIS CASE I ASSUME IT'S A STUCCO CLADDING, BUT THAT WOULD BE -- THAT'S VERY APPRECIATE FOR A TRADITIONAL FIREPLACE TO BE CLAD IN MASONRY AS OPPOSED TO SIDING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS INCORRECT. I LIKE WHEN I SEE THESE DETAILS RENDERED APPROPRIATE.

>> STUCCO AND MASONRY. >> THEY REPEATED THAT AND ECHOED IT ON THE FRONT PORCH PEACE SO IT'S VERY INTENTIONAL -- THE FRONT PORCH PIERS, SO IT'S VERY INTENTIONAL.

>> DO WE HAVE A RESPONSE ONLINE. >> I HAVEN'T GOTTEN A RESPONSE. >> WE'LL TAKE THAT AS A NO.

[02:20:01]

>> FOR THE RECORD, WE'RE MEETING ALL THE MID-LOT VIEW CORNER VISIBILITY ISSUES?

>> THIS IS A [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> WE'RE GOOD. >> THIS IS A CORNER LOT.

>> THIS IS A CORNER LOT. >> SAL, ALTHOUGH MR. MOSER CALLS HIS A VISIBILITY CORRIDOR, IT'S

NOT A VISIBILITY CORRIDOR, CORRECT? >> CORRECT.

>> IT'S A RECOGNITION OF THE [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> CORRECT.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE ON THIS SECONDARY FORM ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE IN THAT

TEN FEET. >> I'M JUST QUESTIONING THE TERMINOLOGY.

YOU CAN'T SEE THROUGH IT. >> WE'LL MAKE SURE TO ADJUST THAT NEXT TIME.

>> THAT'S OKAY, LAUREN. >> PRETTY GOOD ARTICULATION. >> YEP.

WE ARE IN BOARD DISCUSSION. I THINK WE'VE PROBABLY BOILED THE CABBAGE AS MUCH AS IT WILL

STAND. >> IT LOOKS GOOD. I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION TO

APPROVE. >> GO. >> LET'S MOVE TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER HDC2021-008 WITHOUT CONDITIONS. I MOVE THEY MAKE THE FOLLOWING

FACTS AND CONCLUSIONS [READING]. >> THANK YOU. >> SECOND.

>> SECONDED. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? PLEASE CALL THE QUESTION.

>> [VOTE] >> THANK YOU, LAUREN.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> EE YOU LATER. >> GOOD-BYE.

>> THAT'S ALL THE CASES HERE. WE'LL NOW MOVE INTO BOARD BUSINESS AND, SAL, I THINK YOU

CAN TAKE US THROUGH THIS. >> SURE. SO FIRST WE HAVE THE STAFF COAS,

[7.1 Staff Certificate of Approval - March 2021 ]

[7.2 Historic Tax Credit Growth Opportunity Act of 2021 (HTC-GO)]

IT'S BEEN 20 PERCENT AND THEY'RE LOOKING AT TEMPORARILY TO ASSIST WITH COVID BOUNCE-BACK, ONE OF THE THINGS WOULD BE TO RAMP IT UP TO 30 PERCENT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND THEN IT WOULD RAMP BACK DOWN TO 20 PERCENT EVENTUALLY. ALSO THERE'S SOME PERMANENT PROVISIONS IN THERE WHICH MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO USE FOR HISTORIC REHABILITATION PROJECTS, AND ALSO TO CREATE LOW-INCOME HOUSING IN HISTORIC PROPERTIES.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY GOOD AND I JUST WANTED YOU GUYS TO BE AWARE OF IT.

IF YOU WANT TO REACH OUT TO YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS AND EXPRESS AN INTEREST IN THIS, SUPPORT FOR THIS, YOU CAN DO THAT AS INDIVIDUALS AND AS A BOARD. I JUST WANT YOU TO BE AWARE THAT THIS IS OUT THERE. ALSO RIGHT NOW FLORIDA IS -- THERE'S A BILL WHICH HOPEFULLY WILL MOVE FORWARD. WE ARE ONE OF THE THREE STATES IN THE U.S. THAT DOES NOT HAVE A STATE HISTORIC PROPERTY TAX INCENTIVE AND SO THERE'S A BILL IN PLACE RIGHT NOW THAT HASN'T BEEN TO ANY OF THE COMMITTEES YET BUT THAT IS SOMETHING WE'RE LOOKING AT AT GETTING PUT IN WHICH WOULD BE A BIG, BAY THING FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION. WE ARE ONE OF THREE STATES THAT DON'T OFFER THIS. IT'S NOT REALLY AS MUCH OF AN INCENTIVE FOR PEOPLE TO FILL OUT ALL THE PAPERWORK FOR THAT PORTION SO IT WOULD BE REALLY BIG FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

[02:25:03]

>> DO WE HAVE THE HOUSE BILL NUMBERS? >> I CAN SEND THEM OUT TO YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> CAN YOU TAKE US THROUGH THE MATH OF HOW THIS WOULD BE

CALCULATED? >> CURRENTLY WE HAVE TWO PROPERTIES IN THE CITY THAT HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THIS OVER THE YEARS, ONE OF THEM THE PALLETS, AND MORE RECENTLY, THE AMELIA SCHOOL HOUSE AND THE WAY THE TACK CREDIT WORKS, THEY TAKE 20 PERCENT OF YOUR APPROVED IMPROVEMENT TO THE BUILDING AND YOU GET THAT AS AN INCOME TAX CREDIT SPREAD OUT.

IN A LARGE PROJECT LIKE THAT SCHOOL HOUSE PROJECT WAS THAT COULD BE A SUBSTANTIAL HELP.

WE KNOW HISTORIC BUILDINGS ARE EXPENSIVE TO REHAB AND INCREASING THAT PERCENTAGE RIGHT NOW I THINK WOULD BE A REALLY BIG BENEFIT ESPECIALLY TO THOSE TYPE OF PROJECTS.

>> ISN'T THAT -- DOESN'T THAT JUST APPLY TO PUBLIC BUILDINGS? OR FOR ANY BUILDING.

>> YES. ANY INCOME-PRODUCING PROPERTY. >> SO INCOME PRODUCING?

>> YES. BECAUSE IT'S OFF YOUR INCOME TAX.

>> ANY QUESTIONS? >> MR. CHAIRMAN, SAL, HAS THE BILL INTRODUCED FOR THIS

ADJUSTMENT [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> THIS, I BELIEVE HAS. THE OTHER, THE STATE ONE, THE

STATE ONE HAS NOT. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US HAVE SALARY SAL WRITE A LETTER AND SAY, HEY, SCOTT, RUBIO, GET ON THIS. WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE WITH

THAT STUFF? >> I WOULD. IF ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS WOULD VOLUNTEER TO WRITE THAT THAT WOULD HELP ME OUT A WHOLE LOT.

>> I CAN DO IT. RIGHT NOW MY PLATE IS PRETTY FULL WITH A LOT OF OTHER THINGS.

>> REALLY? LIKE WHAT?

>> IF THAT'S OKAY, IS THERE A CONSENSUS FOR THAT? >> DEFINITELY.

>> ON THE SAME LEVEL, I GUESS I'M A LITTLE RELUCTANT TO DO ANYTHING BECAUSE THEIR SESSIONS ARE SO SHORT THAT I THINK YOU REALLY HAVE TO BUTTON HOLE A LEGISLATION BECAUSE [INDISCERNIBLE] IF YOU TAKE A LONG TERM WE COULD THINK ABOUT DOING SOMETHING.

>> WITH THAT, I JUST THINK IT'S REALLY GREAT THAT THEY'RE EVEN CONSIDERING THAT WHEREAS LIKE I

SAID, WERE ONE OF ONLY THREE IN THE COUNTRY THAT DON'T HAVE IT. >> THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS

UP. >> NO PROBLEM. >> I DO HAVE ONE MORE ITEM THAT I DON'T HAVE ON THE AGENDA. I WANT TO LET EVERYONE KNOW AND REMIND EVERYBODY MAY IS HISTORIC PRESERVATION MONTH. WE'LL BE READING A PROCLAMATION AT THE FIRST COMMISSION MEETING IN MAY. IF YOU CAN ALL BE THERE AND ALSO I'LL BE DOING A BROWN BAG LUNCH

TALK IN MAY, THE FIRST WEDNESDAY IN MAY, THE BROWN BAG LUNCH. >> AT THE MOTION CARRIES.

>> YES. IT WILL BE BROAD CASTED ON THEIR TWITCH CHANNEL.

THAT SHOULD BE FUN. >> THANK YOU. I ASSUME THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT TONIGHT SO

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