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>> EVERYONE BE SEATED PLEASE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS THE MARCH 16, 2021 REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY COMMISSION. CALL TO ORDER, PLEASE CALL THE
>> COMMISSIONER BEING. >> HERE. >> HERE.
>> AUDIENCE IF YOU WOULD PLEASE SILENCE YOUR PERSONAL DEVICES. EITHER SILENCE OR TURN THEM OFF. WE ARE FOLLOWING THE COVID-19 PROTOCOL.
SO IT MASKS IN PLACE, SOCIAL DISTANCING. PMASKS ABOVE YOUR NOSE AT ALL TIMES PLEASE. I APPRECIATE YOUR COOPERATION. FINALLY THIS MEETING IS CONDUCTED IN A PROFESSIONAL ATMOSPHERE. WITH RESPECT AND DIGNITY TO ALL WHO ATTEND, SPEAK AND INTERACT. WITH THAT VICE MAYOR WILLIE LEADERS IN PLEDGE FOLLOWED BY THE INDICATION BY THE REVEREND OF THE BLACK ROCK BAPTIST CHURCH.
>> PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE U.S. OF AMERICA. TO THE PUBLIC, ONE NATION,
UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> PLEASE REMAIN STANDING IF
YOU CAN. >> THANK YOU SIR. >> THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE. MARCH 16TH. LOOK IT UP IN THE BIBLE.
316 WHEN YOU GET A CHANCE. WOULD YOU PLEASE BOW YOUR HEADS AS WE PRAY, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TONIGHT. FILL THIS PLACE TONIGHT. THE POWERS IN PLACE, BECAUSE OF YOU. THE RESPONSIBILITY OF A MAN TO ELECT THESE OFFICIALS, GRATEFUL THAT ALL IN PLAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR BLESSING UPON THIS BODY OF LEADERS, GIVE THEM WISDOM. JUST TO LEAD THIS CITY, THE DIRECTION IT NEEDS TO GO. FOR THE SAFETY AND FOR THE SECURITY OF ALL, BLESSING UPON THE LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT ARE HERE, SERVING THIS COMMUNITY SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ADDING YOUR BLESSING. GOD WE NEED THAT DEAR GOD.
WE DO NOT DESERVE ANYTHING BUT WE THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR KINDNESS IN YOUR PRESENCE TONIGHT.
CHRIST I PRAY BELIEVING, AMEN. >> AMEN.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> ALL RIGHT.
[4.1 BUDGET SUMMARY]
ON TO ITEM 4.1 THE BUDGET SUMMARY.>> GOOD EVENING. CITY COUNCIL.
REPRESENTS 41.7 PERCENT OF THE BUDGETED FISCAL YEAR.
FOR THE GENERAL FUND REVENUE 73.3 PERCENT OF THE ANNUAL BUDGET. THIS IS DUE PRIMARILY TO PROPERTY TAX AND LOCAL BUSINESS TAX RECEIPTS.
OVERALL GENERAL FUND EXPENSES BELOW THE 41.7 PERCENT MARK AT 31 PERCENT HOWEVER SOME DEPARTMENTS ARE OVER THIS MARKET DUE TO THE PAYMENTS FOR ANNUAL MAINTENANCE AND SERVICE CONTRACTS. FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUNDS, ISSUED FOR STREETS, PAVING, ATLANTIC REC CENTER ROOF, BUILDING C WINDOW PROJECT.
THE MLK KIDDIE POOL. THE FINANCIALS FOR THE MONTH OF FEBRUARY IS A COMBINATION OF INDIGO CALLED TO FEBRUARY 10, THE CITY RUN FEBRUARY 11. AIRPORT REVENUES EXCEED EXPENSES PRIMARILY DUE TO THE FAA GRANT REVENUE.
UTILITY FUND REVENUES EXCEED EXPENSES.
THE STORM ORDER FUND EXPENSES RECEIVE REVENUES DUE TO THE PAYMENTS. CONTINUES TO WORK ON THE FUEL LINES AND THE COMPLETION IS SOMETIME IN MARCH.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> ANY QUESTIONS COMMISSIONERS.
[4.2 BARNABAS CENTER INC. - COMMUNITY OUTREACH SERVICES]
> SEEING MAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.COMMUNITY OUTREACH SERVICES. THIS ITEM WAS PLACED ON THE
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AGENDA BY VICE MAYOR. VICE MAYOR.> JUST TO ASK, ACTUALLY WANTED TO COME AND SPEAK, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. YOU KNOW THEY HAVE DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB IN THE PANDEMIC. GOING TO DO A PRESENTATION.RENC)E IS GOING TO DO IT. >> KEEP IN MIND, WE PROVIDE SIGNIFICANT FUNDING DURING THE PANDEMIC.
>> ADDRESS MA'AM. >> FERNANDINA BEACH.
>> THANK YOU. >> YOU ARE WELCOME.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING US COME TONIGHT.
WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT.E WANTED TO SHOW YOU A VIDEO THAT SUMS UP WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR. REALLY THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOUR SUPPORT, THANK YOU. SHOW YOU A SHORT VIDEO.
>> (MUSIC PLAYING). >> MY MOTHER WITHOUT WORK, I AM WORKING SOME EXTRA HOURS. HAVING TO COVER FOR ANOTHER ADULT HAS BEEN RATHER TIGHT SITUATION.
>> IT WAS VERY NICE. THANK YOU FOR ALL THE PEOPLE.
>> SO WE ARE HERE TO HELP PEOPLE IN NORMAL CRISIS.
PERSONAL CRISIS. NATIONAL DISASTERS LIKE HURRICANE. WHEN THE PANDEMIC HIT WE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS BEFORE. WITHIN A MATTER OF DAYS, BUSINESSES WERE SHUTTERING. THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTY LOST THEIR JOBS WITHOUT ANY WARNING.
FIRST THING WE HAD TO DO, WE TOOK OUR WALLS DOWN SO THAT WE WENT OUT INTO THE COMMUNITY, WE CONVERTED OUR MOBILE VAN INTO A MOBILE FOOD PANTRY. WE TOOK FOOD OUT INTO THE POOREST AREAS OF OUR COUNTY, THE FOOD SUPPLY BECAME AN INCREDIBLY SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGE FOR US.
SO WE DEVELOPED PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE FARMERS CO-OP IN HASTINGS AND ONCE A WEEK WE WENT TO THIS FARM CO-OP AND PICKED UP THOUSANDS OF POUNDS OF FRESH PRODUCE SO WE WERE DOING A MOBILE FOOD DISH VISIONS FOUR OR FIVE TIMES A WEEK. WE ALSO CHANGED THE WAY WE PROVIDED FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE SO WE WENT FROM AN AVERAGE 500 PEOPLE A MONTH TO BEING SERVED TO 500 PEOPLE A WEEK.
>> GRATEFUL FOR OUR PARTNERSHIP.
ENABLES US TO DISTRIBUTE FOOD TO OUR COMMUNITY.
LOW INCOME HOUSEHOLDS THAT LIVE HERE.
DEFINITELY A NEED, WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE THE CAPACITY OURSELVES TO DO THIS, EXCITED TO PARTNER.
>> THANK YOU EVERYBODY, TRYING THEIR BEST TO HELP THE COUNTY.
>> I DO KNOW WHERE I WOULD BE WITHOUT THEM BECAUSE I'VE GOT NO INSURANCE. THEY HELPED ME OUT A LOT.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE I WOULD BE. >> THE ONLY HEALTHCARE PROVIDER FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO HEALTH INSURANCE IN THIS COUNTY.
WE CREATED IN A SHORT TIME A VIRTUAL WAY FOR US TO TREAT OUR
PATIENTS. >> REALLY GREAT FOR OUR PATIENTS BECAUSE GIVE US ACCESS TO PEOPLE THAT MAY NOT WANT TO COME TO THE OFFICE BECAUSE OF THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC OR CANNOT
PHYSICALLY BECAUSE OF THAT. >> A GODSEND.
I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO AFFORD HEALTHCARE.
BECAUSE I AM ON A FIXED INCOME. WHEN I WAS TRYING TO HAVE HEALTHCARE IT WAS MORE THAN MY CHECK.
I CANNOT AFFORD THAT SO I HAD TO LET IT GO.
HAVING THEM AVAILABLE TO ME, IS REALLY AN ANSWER.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THEM. I CONSIDER THEM FRIENDS.
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>> THE OTHER THING IS WE ARE THE ONLY DENTAL CARE PROVIDER FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO HEALTH INSURANCE.
PEOPLE STILL HAD URGENT DENTAL NEEDS LIKE AN ABSCESS TOOTH SO WE HAVE A VOLUNTEER DENTIST DOCTOR OWENS WHO STAYED AND VOLUNTEERED ONE OR TWO DAYS A WEEK TO SEE THOSE URGENT DENTAL PATIENTS. IF IT WASN'T FOR HIM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WOULD HAVE DONE FOR THOSE PATIENTS IN CRITICAL
NEED. >> MY WIFE AND I LIVED HERE SINCE 71, WE HAVE LIVED HERE. MADE AN IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY. VERY GOOD BUNCH OF PEOPLE.
DOING SOME GOOD WORK. >> SO WE TAKE STEWARDSHIP SERIOUSLY. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY DOLLAR THAT IS ENTRUSTED TO US IS USED FOR THE PURPOSE FOR WHICH IT IS GIVEN. THAT THE MAJORITY OF THOSE DOLLARS GO DIRECTLY TO HELP PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
>> (MUSIC PLAYING). >> LIKE TO TAKE THE TIME TO INTRODUCE ERIC. ERIC IS OUR NEW OPERATIONS OFFICER. ABOUT THREE MONTHS AGO.
WITH ALL THE PEOPLE OUT HERE TONIGHT I SAID WELCOME TO FERNANDINA . I ALSO SEE IF EACH ONE OF YOU, LAST YEAR'S FINANCIAL REPORT SO THAT YOU COULD LOOK OVER THAT.
SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. ALSO I CANNOT GO WITHOUT THINKING THE ASSOCIATION. THEY ARE PARTNERS NOW, AT MLK CENTER. THE SECOND SATURDAY OF EVERY MONTH. AVERAGING ABOUT 175 OR 200 PEOPLE THAT DRIVE THROUGH EACH MONTH.
I HAVE TO SHOUT OUT TO THEM, THANK YOU TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU. VOLUNTEERED, WE THANK YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS, THIS IS THE MONEYMAN.
>> THANK YOU MR. MEYER. THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING A PART, THANK YOU FOR BEING A PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.
WE ARE VERY BLESSED. ALL THAT YOU DO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.
>> COMMISSIONER. >> I WORK IN THE EMERGENCY ROOM. SORT OF A GREAT RESOURCE.
MANY PEOPLE THAT WOULD HAVE NOWHERE ELSE TO GO FOR MEDICAL CARE AND DENTAL CARE. SHOUT OUT TO YOU FOR PROVIDING THAT SERVICE. HOW MUCH MONEY WILL YOU BE COMING TO ASK THE CITY? BEGINNING TO THINK ABOUT THE BUDGET. HOW MUCH MONEY WILL YOU BE COMING TO ASK THE CITY FOR THIS YEAR?
>> UNFAIR QUESTION. I WOULD ASK FOR THE MONEY.
BE GRATEFUL FOR WHATEVER YOU CAN GIVE.
>> LAST YEAR YOU ASKED FOR $6000.
WOULD THAT BE THE KIND OF NUMBER.
>> I THINK DEPENDENT ON A NUMBER OF FACTORS.
LAST YEAR IT WORKED OUT WELL BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF FEDERAL FUNDING. REALLY GOING TO DEPEND ON WHAT THE FUNDING IS LIKE. I WILL NOT IMAGINE IT WILL BE A
LOT MORE. >> WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPACT OF
NOT GETTING THAT MONEY? >> IT WILL BE PARAMOUNT TO THE SURVIVAL OF OUR PROGRAM.N THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF THE FISCAL YEAR, WE SPENT OUR ENTIRE YEAR WITH THE BUDGET.
SO THE LAST STOP, SO TO SPEAK. WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE US HAS REALLY BEEN CRUCIAL.
>> I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU.
>> THE PANDEMIC HAS STRETCHED FEEDING NORTHEAST FLORIDA AS WELL. THEY SERVE EIGHT COUNTIES.
THEY WERE GENEROUS TO GIVE US THREE FOOD DISH VISIONS A YEAR WHICH THAT HELPS US BE ABLE TO HAVE EIGHT MOBILE FOOD DISTRIBUTIONS. THIS YEAR ONLY PROMISING US TWO, THEREFORE REALLY STRETCHING OUR BUDGET BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PURCHASE THE FOOD FOR THE OTHER FOOD DISTRIBUTIONS. BUT THE INCREASE IS SO MUCH NATIONWIDE, THAT THEY HAVE HAD TO CUT BACK TOO.
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SO THEY CUT US BACK. TWO.WE ARE STRETCHED. BECAUSE OF THAT.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO STOP. GOING TO CONTINUE DOING WHAT
>> I JUST WANT TO COMPLEMENT, I GO OUT THERE EVERY MONTH ALONG WITH THE FOOD GIVEAWAY. IT IS IMPRESSIVE.
WITH LOTS OF VOLUNTEERS, ALL OVER.
REALLY STEPPED UP AND WE IN THE CITY, PROUD THAT WHAT WE DID, MONEY, 1/4 MILLION DOLLARS. THEN WE GAVE IT AWAY WHEN WE GOT BACK FOR CARRIERS. HOPEFULLY WE HAVE A BUNCH MORE FROM CARES THAT WE CAN GIVEAWAY.
>> THANK YOU.> I WILL CONCLUDE BY SINGING THE PRAISES OF WHAT A FANTASTIC JOB THAT YOU DO.
I FULLY CAME TO REALIZE THAT WHEN I WENT TO YOUR ANNUAL MEETING. THE BREATH AND DEPTH OF THE SERVICES THEY PROVIDE NOT ONLY THE CITY BUT THE COUNTY IS JUST EXTRAORDINARY. ALL GRATEFUL.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU.
>> KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. >> THANK YOU.
>> CITY MANAGER. >> A QUICK NOTE, THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THEIR PREPARATION WAS.
YES, WE DO PROVIDE I BELIEVE TWO CARES ACT COVID-19 CONTRIBUTIONS, EACH OF 60,000. THE PREPARATION IN THE ANNUAL GENERAL FUND BUDGET FROM THE CITY COMMISSION WAS $30,000.
THAT WAS THE APPROPRIATION AS PART OF THE GENERAL FUND.
WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. >> SECONDARY FOR THEM TOO ALSO.
>> CORRECT. THAT WAS COVID-19 RELATED.
AN ADDITIONAL $9000 PART OF THE CARES ACT MONEY.
THE APPROPRIATION FOR THE NONPROFITS WAS $30,000
APPROPRIATION. >> THANK YOU SIR.
[5. PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA OR ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA]
>> AGENDA ITEM NUMBER FIVE. PUBLIC COMMENT.
REGARDING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA.OR ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. SO I HAVE A LITTLE MORE THAN A DOZEN SPEAKERS. CAN YOU HEAR ME OUTSIDE? FIRST SPEAKER IS BRIAN. THERE HE COMES.
WELCOME, SIR. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
>> YES. BRIAN, ADDRESS 112 VINTAGE WAY.
NUMBER 1238 FERNANDINA BEACH. >> THREE MINUTES.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COMMISSIONERS, MAYOR THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION IN PUBLIC FORM LIKE THIS. THANK YOU TOLD THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE.OTH SIDES, PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIFFERENT POSITIONS. GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU. CAME HERE 2008 WAS THE FIRST TIME I CAME HERE, FULL-TIME POSITION.
RUNNING MY MUSIC BUSINESS FULL-TIME.
ALSO FOUNDED A NONPROFIT AUTHORIZATION.
CALLED JOURNEY FOR YOUTH. EDUCATION SPONSORSHIPS TO KIDS IN KENYA. WE RAISE OUR MONEY PRIMARILY AT MY SHOWS. SO I AM HERE TO BASICALLY STATE THAT I AM FOR, I AM HERE TO STATE I AM FOR I GUESS ÃWHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR IS ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO HELP THE MUSICIANS, HELP THE VENUES AFTER LAST YEAR. CRAZY YEAR FOR US.
AS A LOT OF PEOPLE AS WELL YOU KNOW FOR MUSIC AND BARS AND RESTAURANTS SHUT DOWN. AFTER THIS YEAR, BEING ABLE TO REBUILD OUR BUSINESS, REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO GET BACK ON OUR FEET. WHAT WE WOULD LIKE, AS A MUSICIAN, ALLY TO THE INDEPENDENT RESTAURANTS AND MUSIC VENUES, IS AN 11:00 ON WEEKENDS.
10:00 DURING THE WEEKDAYS. THAT WILL BE GREAT.
LISTENING TO SOME OF THE POSITIONS OF THE POSITIONS STATED TODAY. DOES SOUND LIKE PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT A DECIBEL METER AS A METRIC.
WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS A GOOD VALID POSITION METRIC TO DO
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THAT. HOWEVER, I THINK IT IS SUBJECTIVE, WE HAVE THINGS LIKE THE HIGH SCHOOL BAND THAT PERFORMS. FROM 1/4 MILE AWAY.WE HAVE THINGS LIKE OUR MAIL, THE PAPER MILL AND OUR TRUCKS BACKING UP THE LOGS. THE SMELL THAT YOU CAN SMELL, SO WE WANT TO PROTECT THOSE JOBS.
WE DO FEEL IT IS IMPORTANT TO RESPECT OUR NEIGHBORS, TRY TO FIND SOME SOLUTIONS THAT WE HAVE A PEACEFUL AND TRANQUIL ENVIRONMENT AS YOU SAID, BUT ALSO PROTECTING THE JOBS AND LIVELIHOODS OF US MUSICIANS, OF THE BUSINESS OWNERS, AND THE PEOPLE THAT WE REPRESENT, THE NONPROFIT.
REALLY MEANS A LOT TO US FOR ME AND MY FAMILY.
WE CAME HERE, WE SIGNED A LEASE HERE SO 60 PERCENT OF MY WORK IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. I DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M ALWAYS MINDFUL. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> PLEASE STAY THERE. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
YES, SIR. >> I LOOKED AT YOUR FACEBOOK PAGE. I NOTICED YOU PLAY DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. NOT JUST FERNANDINA .
HAVE YOU PLAYED IN OTHER CITIES OR OTHER COUNTIES THAT USE
DECIBEL METERS TO MEASURE NOISE?>> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT QUESTION. YES, I HAVE PERFORMED IN SOME CITIES THAT DO YOU SAID. NORTH CAROLINA.
TO BE HONEST, MAY BE TOO MAKE SURE I AM CORRECT IN THE RECORD, NOT SURE IF THAT IS A CITY ORDINANCE OR ACTUAL PROPERTY OWNER THAT WAS THE ONE THAT GRABBED THAT DECIBEL READER AND THEY WERE KEEPING IT, MAKING SURE AT A LOW LEVEL.
LOWER THAN WHERE I AM AT. DEFINITELY MADE IT DIFFICULT FOR ME TO DO MY JOB. BUT AS FAR AS I CAN UNDERSTAND, FROM WHAT I CAN REMEMBER I THINK THAT WAS THE ONLY TIME I HAVE HAD A DECIBEL METER PULLED OUT AT ONE OF MY SHOWS.
>> JUST TO FOLLOW UP, WHAT WAS THE DECIBEL LEVEL?
>> I CANNOT RECALL. I AM SORRY.
>> AS YOU HEARD, THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WILL CHALLENGE US, WHAT IS THE ACCEPTABLE APPROPRIATE LEVEL THAT EVERYONE CAN AGREE UPON.OKAY. SO WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY, ANY FEEDBACK THAT YOU COULD GIVE THIS BODY AND HER REGULATIONS WILL BE HELPFUL. OTHER PERFORMERS OUT THERE, URGED THEM TO COME TO THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THEIR
FEEDBACK AS WELL. >> APPRECIATE THAT.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.
>> TO HELP SPEED THIS UP ON DECK WILL BE MR. PAUL.
WE WILL CALL PAUL BECAUSE I SEE HIM.
THEN WE WILL GO TO MICHELLE. >> WELCOME.
>> GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. >> HOW WAS THE ROAD TODAY?
>> THE ROAD WAS FABULOUS. >> STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
>> PAUL LORI. 27 94 LONGBOAT DRIVE.
FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA. WHEN YOU HEAR THE NAME FERNANDINA BEACH, YOU THINK OF NOTHING BUT CULTURE, ART,
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MUSIC. I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE FERNANDINA BEACH WITHOUT THE SOUND OF MUSIC.I BELIEVE ALSO THAT YOU ALSO STRONGLY BELIEVE IN THAT AND I THINK YOU ARE TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT IS THE ACCEPTABLE LEVEL TO HEAR THAT MUSIC. FOR ME, AS A PROPERTY OWNER DOWNTOWN, I JUST CANNOT IMAGINE NOT HEARING MUSIC ANYWHERE IN DOWNTOWN. I CANNOT.
I CAN NEVER SEE, OR HEARD THE MUSIC IS TOO LOUD.
MUSIC IS I THINK THE ESSENCE OF LIFE.
IT MOVES THE SOUL. IT MOVES THIS TOWN.
LOOKING OUTSIDE, YOU HAVE SISTERS, BROTHERS, FATHERS, MOTHERS, UNCLES, ALL MUSICIANS. ALL TRYING TO NAVIGATE THEIR WAY THROUGH THIS TOWN AND THEY BRING THE FOLKS NOT ONLY LOCALS IN THIS TOWN TOGETHER. THEY BRING EVERYBODY THAT VISITS THIS TOWN TOGETHER. THEY BRING ALL THE DIVERSITY THAT IS OFFERED TO OUR TOWN FOR MYSELF, WHAT MADE ME MOVE HERE, A BIG PART OF IT WAS MUSIC. THE MUSIC WAS AT THE GREEN TURTLE. I REMEMBER THAT VERY DEFINING MOMENT WHEN I WAS SITTING THERE ON THE PORCH, MEETING EVERYBODY VISITING, THE RESIDENTS OF THIS TOWN.
IT JUST HAD THAT SMALL TOWN FERNANDINA VIBE.
IF YOU DO ANY ACTION THAT IS GOING TO TAKE THAT AWAY FROM THIS TOWN, START SLOWLY CHANGING THE VERY SMALL TOWN FABRIC OF FERNANDINA . YOU WILL.
I WOULD MOVE CAUTIOUSLY TRYING TO ESTABLISH A DECIBEL LEVEL.
A LOT OF IT SOMETIMES IS SUBJECTIVE.
PLAY THE MUSIC. A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVE.
>> MR. AJAY. >> ON DECK IS BRENDA MORRIS.
>> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
THREE MINUTES. >> I AM AJAY, 11 S. SEVENTH STREET. I AM HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE MUSIC TODAY. I MEAN YOU GUYS KNOW THIS TOWN IS BASICALLY A TOURIST TOWN. YOU SPENT A LOT OF MONEY PROMOTING AS A TOURIST TOWN. THIS TOWN IS MADE UP OF A LOT OF RESTAURANT, BAR OWNERS, MUSICIANS, PEOPLE WHO RELY ON THIS INDUSTRY JUST LIKE YOU GUYS RELYING ON YOUR JAWS.
ONE YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF THE SHUTDOWN, SO SMALL BUSINESSES ARE JUST COMING AROUND TO START MAKING A LIVING, THEY STRUGGLED WITH HER BARS SHUTDOWN. PEOPLE OUT OF WORK, NOW THE SNOW IS ON THEM, SHUTTING THEM DOWN AGAIN.
THE CITY IS BASED ON MUSIC. I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, SAT AT A RESTAURANT AND LISTENED TO MUSIC.
SO I KNOW YOU'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE NOISE SHOULD BE HAD, ALWAYS SHUT DOWN AT 10:30.
THE MUSIC PLAYS FROM NOON UNTIL 10:30.
WHY CAN'T WE KEEP DOING THAT. ON THE WEEKEND I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE IT UNTIL 11:00. IF YOU COME AND MOVE HERE, THIS IS A MUSIC TOWN. A LOT OF ARTISTS HERE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF MY FRIENDS LIKE I SAID ARE MUSICIANS, BAR OWNERS. RESTAURANT OWNERS.
YOU ARE AFFECTING THEIR LIVELIHOODS BY DOING THIS.
I THINK YOU SHOULD MOVE CAUTIOUSLY ON THE SUBJECT AND SPEND TIME ON IT. THE FABRIC OF THE CITY.
HIS MUSIC. I DON'T THINK THAT PUTTING A NOISE DECIBEL IS FAIR. YOU KNOW I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE A TIME LIMIT. THAT IS WHAT I THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING. WE HAVE BEEN DOING IT FOR YEARS. THE CITY ROLLS UP AT 10:00.
NEVER HAD AN ISSUE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT BROUGHT THIS ABOUT BUT I THINK WE SHOULD DO WHAT WE DO YOU KNOW.
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THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY. >> THANK YOU, SIR.>> BRENDA MORRIS. BRENDA MORRIS.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> BRENDA MORRIS.
1564 PARK LANE IN THE CITY. I AM IN SUPPORT OF THE MUSIC, I KNOW WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE LANGUAGE.
WHAT I DO FOR LIVING AS I READ AND INTERPRET FRAGILE STATE AND LOCAL LAW. AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE. A FEW THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION. I MOVED HERE IN JULY, THE ARTS AND CULTURE IS WHAT BROUGHT ME, NOT BEING IN AN ESTABLISHMENT WHERE I WAS OFFENDED BY ANY MUSIC.
IT WAS FANTASTIC. LIKE TO SAY WHEN HE MOVED, A CHANCE OF HAVING A HURRICANE. WHEN YOU MOVE INTO AN AREA THAT IS NEAR THE COMMERCIAL PART, WHEN YOU DON'T DO DILIGENCE, THINGS LIKE THIS COULD HAPPEN. IT COULD AFFECT YOU, YOU MAY NOT LIKE WHAT YOU HEAR. I DID MY DUE DILIGENCE TO MAKE SURE I LIVED IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
VERY SHOCKED TO SEE THE CITY TAKING APPROACH LIKE THIS TO STIFLE THE ARTS AND CULTURE IN THIS TOWN.
WHEN I LOOK AT THE FERNANDINA PAGES, ALL APART ARTS AND CULTURE. IN YOUR ORDINANCE, TALKS ABOUT EXCESSIVE NOISE. AT SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO MAKE INTERPRETATION. I HAVEN'T FOUND THAT INTERPRETATION EITHER. TYPICALLY WHERE WE BEGIN THAT.
TALKS ABOUT EXCESSIVE NOISE, MORE THAN NECESSARY.
I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE TODAY, YOU WILL FIND THAT IN SUPPORT OF THE MUSIC.
WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING BLARING, WE DON'T HAVE AN AMPHITHEATER.
THAT IS WHY WE LIVE HERE, THE OTHER THINGS, TALKS ABOUT AFFECTING THE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY AND WELFARE.
HONESTLY REALLY LIKE TO UNDERSTAND HOW THAT IS AFFECTING SOMEONE, WHILE WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT PEOPLE MAKE CHOICES BASED ON THEIR LACK OF DUE DILIGENCE.
ANOTHER THING, EXCESSIVE NOISE, I AM GOING TO TELL YOU I HAVE COME HERE FOR YEARS FOR THIS REASON.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PEOPLE HERE, LOOK AT THESE VENUES YOUR TOURISTS ARE COMING FOR THE ARTS AND CUTURES WHICH INCLUDES THE MUSIC. I THINK ARTICLE 42, ALLOWING THE MUSIC AND THE TIMES IS REASONABLE.
IT MAKES ME GO HOME AT A GOOD TIME.
BUT THE OTHER THING IS A LOT OF EXEMPTIONS.
I WOULD SAY TO YOU WHEN YOU LOOK AT EXEMPTIONS, SAYING IT IS OKAY SOMETIMES. WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE EXEMPTIONS ARE, JUST BECAUSE IT IS A HOLIDAY, YOU KNOW A ONE-TIME THING, STILL EXCESSIVE NOISE.
I WOULD THINK WE WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT THAT AS WELL.
FOR THE FEW WHO AGAIN MAKING COMPLAINTS TO THE CITY, REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE BECAUSE IT WILL AFFECT THE FUTURE OF THE CITY.
AFFECT THE TOURIST INDUSTRY. AFFECT OUR INDUSTRY AND IMPORTANT. BE WISE ON THE DECISIONS THAT
IF YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR ME, THREE MINUTES.
>> YES, SIR. AMY, THE OWNER OF THE PATIO PLACE RESTAURANT. I ALSO LIVED IN THE CITY.
A BIT NERVOUS AS I HAVE BEEN HERE BEFORE.I WILL READ FROM MY PHONE AND NOTES. TAMMY MADE REFERENCE TO THE NOISE ORDINANCE, IT HAS BEEN WORKING FINE.
RESPECTFULLY CORRECT THE CITY ATTORNEY, THE CURRENT ORDINANCE WAS APPROVED ON MAY 3, 2017 THROUGH THIS BEFORE THE SHRIMP FESTIVAL. AT THAT POINT IN TIME THE SECTION REGARDING THE 100 FEET WAS MOVED FROM AN AMENDMENT DOWN BELOW UP INTO THE ACTUAL ARTICLES.
WHICH IS WHY RIGHT NOW IF YOU HAVE KIDS PLAYING IN YOUR POOL, ON SATURDAY AT 2:00 P.M. YOU CAN GET FINED.
THIS IS ONLY ONE AREA THAT MAKES THE ORDINANCE
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UNREASONABLE. ALSO, THIS IS THE FOURTH INSTANCE THAT THIS ORDINANCE HAS COME INTO PLAY.CAME INTO PLAY WITH THE SANDY BOTTOMS, THE PREVIOUS OWNERS MANY YEARS AGO AS WELL. THE EXCLUSION OF BUSINESSES SUCH AS THE RAILROADS, THE PLANTS, UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
CHURCH BELLS, I LOVE CHURCH, BUT SHOULD NOT BE AN EXCLUSION.
NO TIME FRAMES, NO HOLIDAY EXEMPTIONS.
I GOT SHUT DOWN ON THE SHRIMP FESTIVAL AT 5:00 P.M., THE CITY HAD THE MUSICIANS PLAYING ON THE MAIN STAGE.
THIS ALL LIMITS CERTAIN BUSINESSES.
I AM VERY HAPPY THAT THIS IS COMING TO LIGHT AGAIN AS MY PATIO PLACE FAMILY HAS BEEN GREATLY LIMITED FINANCIALLY DUE TO THE CHANGE THAT WAS MADE ON MAY 3, 2017.
THANK YOU BRADLEY, FOR NEW LEADERSHIP HERE.
AS I WAS MADE PROMISES THREE YEARS AGO, BUT SOME OF YOU SITTING UP THERE, THAT THIS WOULD BE ADDRESSED.
I NEVER HEARD ANYTHING AGAIN. THANK YOU BRADLEY.
I LOOK THE REASONABLENESS, FOR TIMEFRAME, I LOOK FOR NOISE METERS, I LOOK FOR MEASURABLE NOTES.
I GET MEASURED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
I GET MEASURED ON MY PERMITS WITH THE CITY.
SOMETHING I CAN WORK IN AND I CAN BE MEASURED ON.
I HAVE EMPATHY FOR THOSE THAT LIVE HERE AND HAVE LIVED HERE FOR MANY MANY YEARS. BUT SOME OF THESE PLACES BEING FINED HAVE BEEN ZONED COMMERCIALLY FOREVER.
SO THOSE OF US THAT BUY A COMMERCIALLY ZONED PROPERTY, HAVE EXPECTATIONS WHEN WE INVEST.
NOW I AM BEING LIMITED BECAUSE MY COMMERCIAL IS BEING AFFECTED BY SOMEBODY NEXT DOOR. WE MUST FIND A MIDDLE GROUND.
IT IS UNACCEPTABLE RIGHT NOW SOMEBODY CAN CALL BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE THE KIND OF MUSIC PLAYED OR BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE MIGHT HAVE OCULAR IMPLANTS THAT AMPLIFIES THE MUSIC.
I HAD SYMPATHY FOR EVERYONE. WE MUST RESOLVE THIS TODAY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. INVOLVE IN THIS ISSUE FOR MANY
>> WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION? >> MY SOLUTION.
>> IF YOU WERE SITTING IN ONE OF THESE FIVE SEEDS WHAT WOULD
YOUR SOLUTION BE? >> LIKE TO DEFER IT TO ONE PERSON THAT IS TAKING THIS ON NOT ONCE, NOT TWICE BUT THREE TIMES OR FOUR TIMES. I WOULD LOOK TO WORK WITH NICOLE, A LAWYER. SHE KNOWS WHAT IS GOING ON.
SHE KNOWS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE MEASURABLE ILLNESS.
I BELIEVE IN TIME FRAMES. I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN ABOUT DECIBEL METERS. I THINK IT IS A MEASURABLE METER. OKAY.
YOU SAY OH WELL, THE PATIO PLACE MIGHT HAVE SOMEBODY ON THE SCANNER AND HEAR THAT. WHILE THAT MAY BE THE POLICE SHOULD HANG OUT NEARBY ON PACIFIC NICE.
THEY HANG OUT AT THE TURTLE ALL THE TIME.
THEN AGAIN AS A BUSINESS OWNER WE NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE.
>> I WANT TO CORRECT THE RECORD.
I HAVE NOT SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THE PATIO PLACE.
WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT HAPPENED IN ANOTHER STATE.
>> I AM NOT REFERRING TO THAT. I UNDERSTAND THAT COULD HAPPEN.
I DO UNDERSTAND THAT. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS.
>> AMY. >> ON DECK IS A ON IT.
>> WELCOME. IF YOU WILL STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. THREE MINUTES.
>> MY NAME IS AMY. ADDRESS 11 S. SEVENTH STREET.
THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME TODAY.
I HAVE BEEN A TAXPAYING MUSICIAN SINCE 98.
I HAVE PLAYED ALL OVER NORTHEAST FLORIDA INCLUDING SAINT AUGUSTINE, FERNANDINA. I SPENT MANY YEARS PLAYING IN SAINT AUGUSTINE. FAMILIAR WITH THEIR NOISE ORDINANCE. THEY HAVE A LIMITS, STARTS AT 10:00 P.M. OR AMPLIFIED SOUND CANNOT BE OVER 65 DECIBELS, 10:00 P.M. UNTIL 7:00 A.M. ANYTIME OTHER THAN THAT IT IS 75 DECIBELS. I WILL READ IT TO YOU RIGHT HERE HOW IT IS MEASURED. THE DECIBEL LEVEL MEASURED FROM THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE SOURCE OF THE SOUND CLOSEST TO THE
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PROPERTY OF THE COMPLAINING PARTY.SO DOESN'T GIVE FEET, IT DOESN'T GIVE YARDS, JUST AS THE CLOSEST LINE OF PROPERTY TO WHEREVER THE PERSON COMPLAINING IS. SAINT AUGUSTINE, WHEN SOMEBODY MAKES A COMPLAINT, AN OFFICER WILL COME, NOT A TRAINED SCIENTIFIC PERSON, A POLICE OFFICER WITH THE DECIBEL METER WILL COME AND MEASURE. IF IT IS OVER, THEY WILL GIVE THE VENUE A WARNING AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO TURN IT DOWN.
BEFORE THEY WILL GIVE THEM A CITATION.
NEVER BEEN CITED FOR A NOISE VIOLATION IN ALL OF MY NOW ALMOST 24 YEARS OF BEING A MUSICIAN.
NEVER EVEN HAD A NOISE COMPLAINT THAT I AM AWARE OF EXCEPT FOR PLAYING AT THE BOATHOUSE IN THE PAST COUPLE WEEKS. PLAYING AT THE BOATHOUSE FOR MONTHS, AT A HIGHER LEVEL THAN IT WAS BEFORE.
I STARTED TURNING IT WAY DOWN BECAUSE OF CARING ABOUT THE OTHER COMPLAINTS HAPPENING WITH OTHER MUSICIANS.
IT IS MY OPINION THAT IT WOULD BE FAIR AND REASONABLE TO SET A TIME LIMIT ON THE SOUND AND DECIBEL LIMIT ON A SOUND SO THAT THE LINES ARE CLEARLY DRAWN.
AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, UNCONSTITUTIONAL, THE WORDING OF THE CURRENT NOISE ORDINANCE, NO WAY, TOO SUBJECTIVE.
AS EVERYONE HAS CONTINUED TO SAY.
UNFAIR, UNREASONABLE, ONLY ONE OR TWO PEOPLE WHO ARE CONSTANTLY COMPLAINING, BECAUSE THEY DON'T PARTICULARLY LIKE LIVE MUSIC OR THEY LIVE RIGHT DOWNTOWN, THREE MUSIC VENUES ON EACH SIDE OF THEIR HOUSE, UNFORTUNATELY I MEAN IT HAS TO BE FAIR AND REASONABLE. IT CANNOT BE SUBJECTIVE.
I THINK THAT COMING OUT OF THE PANDEMIC, WITH EVERYTHING WE HAVE ARTIE HAD TO DEAL WITH, OR BUSINESSES DOWNTOWN JUST GETTING BACK ON THEIR FEET. WE NEED THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT FAIRLY AND WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE COMMUNITY AND OUR COMMISSIONS. THANK YOU.
VERY VALUABLE BECAUSE YOU ARE A PERFORMER.
SO I LIKE YOUR EXPERTISE AND YOUR KNOWLEDGE AROUND THIS.
HOW CAN PERFORMANCE ON THIS ISSUE SELF REGULATE?
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN BY THAT? >> CAN THEY HAVE THEIR OWN
DECIBEL METER? >> OR THE VENUE CAN.
THE VENUE CAN HAVE A DECIBEL METER.
I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO PROTECT THEM AND US AND REMAIN IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ORDERS.
BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS, WE ALL WANT TO BE HERE WORKING TOGETHER. NOT LIKE WE ARE A BUNCH OF CRAZY RULE BREAKERS. WE JUST WANT TO LIVE IN COMMUNITY THAT SUPPORTS US, THAT WE CAN SUPPORT THEM AND WORK TOGETHER. SO WHAT THE VENUE HAVE A DECIBEL METER. LET THEM BE ABLE TO SELF REGULATE. THAT WOULD MAKE IT A LOT EASIER FOR EVERYONE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A SCIENTIST OR HAVE ANY SCIENTIFIC TRAINING TO WORK A
DECIBEL METER. >> MY QUESTION, A DEVICE THAT CAN BE PLACED ON AN AMPLIFIER, THE GOVERNOR, RESTRICT THE AMPLIFICATION ONCE IT REACHED, CANNOT GO OVER 60 MILES PER HOUR. HAVE YOU SEEN SUCH A DEVICE?
>> NEVER SEEN SUCH A DEVICE. NO.
>> WITH THAT BE HELPFUL? >> IF SUCH A THING EXISTED SURE. I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE
THERE SHE IS RIGHT HERE. ON DECK IS LISA.
I SEE HER RIGHT THERE. >> STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS
AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. >> 22 S. SECOND STREET.
A REGISTERED NURSE AND I WORK AT SURGICAL SERVICES.
I HAVE THE BOATHOUSE ON ONE SIDE, THE TURTLE BEHIND ME.
I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE LIVE MUSIC.
I HAVE ISSUES WITH HOW LOUD IT IS.
IT SEEMS TO BE WORSE WHEN THEY HAVE BANDS WITH BASS AND DRUMS. AMPLIFIED MUSIC IS THE MOST STRESSFUL FOR ME.
THE ACOUSTIC MUSIC IS NOT. THIS PAST WEEKEND AFTER THE RECEIVING CITATIONS, TALKING AND THEY HAVE THE VOLUME DOWN
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THIS WEEKEND. THEY HAD A GOOD TURNOUT.IT WAS GOOD FOR ME, GOOD FOR THEM.
THEY PROVED WE CAN DO THAT. FOR ME TURNING THE VOLUME DOWN, THESE PEOPLE DON'T LIVE IN MY HOME BUT THE VOLUME OF THE MUSIC INTO MY HOME IS EXTREMELY LOUD.
I HAVE TO TURN MY T.V. LOUDER. FORGET TRYING TO GO TO SLEEP UNTIL AFTER THEY FINISHED PLAYING.
THIS MUSIC IS DESIGNED TO WIPE YOU UP, NOT CALMLY DOWN TO GO TO SLEEP. I AM A NURSE AND I HAVE TO GO TO WORK. FOR ME THE BIGGEST ISSUE.
I TAKE EXCEPTION TO PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT LIVING IN MY CIRCUMSTANCES TELL ME I SHOULD SUCK IT UP, DEAL WITH IT, FIVE OR SIX DAYS A WEEK. THEY DON'T HAVE TO LIVE MY LIFE. THEY CAN COME INSIDE AND GET AWAY FROM THE MUSIC OR THEY CAN GO HOME.
I DON'T HAVE THAT OPTION. IN THIS HOME SINCE 1944.
MY MOM HAS, DID NOT RESEARCH, WE WERE ALREADY THERE BEFORE THE BOATHOUSE. IT USED TO BE A LOT WE PLAYED AS KIDS. THE BISTRO, FAMILIES LIVED THERE. THE GREEN TURTLE WAS NOT EVEN A CONCEPT. I AM NOT AGAINST LIGHT MUSIC, I AM AGAINST THE VOLUME. RIGHT NOW THAT IS WHAT I AM LIVING IN. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH MA'AM. >> LISA.
ON DECK IS JONATHAN. >> WELCOME.
>> HELLO. >> YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
>> I AM LISA. 492 STAR BOARD LANDING FERNANDINA BEACH. ON BEHALF OF THE MAINSTREET ORGANIZATION IN FERNANDINA BEACH.
MINISTRIES MISSION IS TO PROMOTE ECONOMIC HISTORIC PRESERVATION IN DOWNTOWN FERNANDINA BEACH.
OUR VISION IS FERNANDINA BEACH DOWNTOWN VIBRANT, INCLUSIVE, ACCESSIBLE, VIABLE. A CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT THAT RESPECTS ITS HERITAGE WHILE PLANNING FOR ITS FUTURE.
SO MINISTRY IS HERE TO WORK WITH THE CITY, WITH THE BUSINESSES. THE RESIDENCE TO FIND THE BEST SOLUTION FOR ALL REGARDING LIVE MUSIC.
RECOGNIZE THAT OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES HAVE BEEN HIT HARD BY COVID-19 AND WE WANT TO SEE THEM RECOVER.
WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT ISLAMIC MUSIC PLAYS AN IMPORTANT ROLE IN OUR VIBRANT DOWNTOWN AND IN THE BUSINESS MODEL FOR MANY OF OUR RESTAURANTS DOWNTOWN. ALSO CONSCIOUS OF OUR RESIDENTS CONCERNS. SOME OF WHOM HAVE CALLED DOWNTOWN HOME FOR SEVERAL GENERATIONS.
WHILE WE HAVE NO PRECONCEIVED IDEA AS TO WHAT THE BEST SOLUTION TO THIS SITUATION INVOLVING MUSIC IS, WILLING TO LEAD A GROUP TO DETERMINE WHAT IT MIGHT BE.
WE THINK THE BEST SOLUTION BEGINS WITH COMMUNICATION AND A COMMON SENSE APPROACH. THANK YOU.
>> I HAVE ONE COMMENT. OTHER MINISTRIES COMMUNITIES
WHO HAVE DEALT WITH THIS ISSUE? >> THERE ARE MANY, YES.
A VARIETY OF SOLUTIONS. MANY THAT ARE LIKE OUR COMMUNITY, THE ARTS AND CULTURE ESSENTIAL PART OF IT.
CERTAINLY IN HISTORIC DOWNTOWN AREA, YOU OFTEN HAVE RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES COEXISTING. SO THAT IS A GREAT RESOURCE FOR US AS WE LOOK FOR A SOLUTION I THINK.
>> BEST SOLUTIONS INFORMATION AND BRING IT FORWARD TO THE CITY COMMISSION. ALSO WOULD MAINSTREET PUT TOGETHER A PANEL OF BUSINESSES AND VENUES FOR THE
RECOMMENDATIONS OF THIS ISSUE. >> YES, DEFINITELY.
>> THANK YOU MA'AM. APPRECIATE IT.
MY NAME IS JONATHAN. LOVE TO SAY HELLO TO EVERYONE.
I RESIDE AT 3058 RIVERSIDE DRIVE FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA. JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT FIRST OF ALL WHEN I FIRST MOVED HEAR THE FIRST PERSON I MET, THE BANKER, HE WAS THE MAYOR. THE BIG ISSUE AT THAT TIME WAS KEEPING THE OLD COURTHOUSE, IMMEDIATELY I SAID YOU KNOW MAYOR, YOU HAVE TO KEEP THAT COURTHOUSE.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, MY FIRST PROSECUTING IN KEY WEST, OLD COURTHOUSE MUCH LIKE THAT ONE. I WOUND UP MOVING HERE.
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DEFENDANT PEOPLE IN THAT COURTHOUSE.A BIG PART OF FERNANDINA BEACH. ANOTHER LARGE PART IS THE MUSIC. AS A MATTER FACT I REMEMBER MY CHILDREN INVOLVED IN MUSIC. MY SON SINGING OVER THERE, I DON'T KNOW IF HE STILL IS. THAT IS HOW HE MAKES HIS LIVING. I AM PROUD OF HIM.
ANOTHER DAUGHTER, SHE LIKES TO WRITE MUSIC.
SHE WOULD PLAY IT, SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE, OF ALL AGES, A TIME LIMIT HERE. I THINK THAT IS SUFFICIENT.
I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS TRYING TO TURN THIS INTO SOMETHING.
LIKE TO POINT OUT THIS IS THE ISLE OF EIGHT FLAGS.
THIS IS A PLACE THAT HAS BEEN VIBRANT, THINGS GOING ON MORE WILD THAN ANYWHERE IN THE STATES, IF YOU WANT TO GO TO SUMMER, I AM SURE NIGHT IT IS QUIET, YOU CAN SLEEP VERY NICELY, THAT ISN'T WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR.
WE HAVE A VIBRANT TOWN. WE LIKE OUR MUSIC.
THAT IS A PIECE OF FREEDOM. SOMETIMES PEOPLE TRYING TO SLEEP, I PUT A POND IN MY FRONT YARD.
IF YOU HEARD THE RACKET THOSE FROGS MAY, MUCH LOUDER THAN ANY MUSIC. BECAUSE THERE IS A TIME LIMIT, I DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE ANY TYPE OF COMPLAINTS.
UNLESS IT MAKES YOUR EARS START TO BLEED AND I KNOW THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THAT. ALL THESE FOLKS ARE GOOD FOLKS, NOBODY TRIES TO CHEAT AND TURN THE MUSIC UP OR DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT. ALL GOOD FOLKS AND THEY WANT TO GIVE EVERYTHING GOING THE WAY IT IS.
BEAUTIFUL RESTAURANTS. MUSIC ALL THE TIME, I WAS IN GERMANY A FEW YEARS AGO, ABOUT 900-YEAR-OLD HOTEL.
THE WALLS ALL CRICKET. AS THEY WENT TO SLEEP I HEARD THE BARS BELOW, EVERYONE DRINKING AND SINGING.
I THOUGHT TO MYSELF THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON, HOTEL FOR OVER 900 YEARS. AS A BOY THAT NOISE HAS BEEN GOING ON 900 YEARS. SO THAT IS SOMETHING REALLY TO BE PROUD OF. YOU MOVED TO A TOWN, GOING TO BE TOWN SOUNDS. I HEAR THE TRAIN, THAT IS THE WAY IT IS. THERE ARE SOME SOUNDS, BUT I THINK IT IS WELL-REGULATED. I THINK IT IS OVERREGULATED WHEN YOU START GIVING PEOPLE TICKETS.
NEVER HEARD IT EXCESSIVELY LOUD.
>> ON DECK IS AMY NIXON. >> WELCOME, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
>> 940894. FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA.
HELLO GENTLEMEN. HOW ARE YOU TODAY? THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE TIME TO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE OF OUR COMMUNITY.
FIVE YEARS AGO I MOVED HERE AFTER VISITING HERE SINCE I WAS 21 YEARS OLD. 21 I HAD A MISSION, TO FIND THE OLDEST BAR IN FLORIDA. THAT BROUGHT ME TO FERNANDINA BEACH. I FELL IN LOVE WITH THIS COMMUNITY. I CAME HERE, I CAME FROM ST.
CLOUD. LITTLE ST. CLOUD, FROM THIS TINY TOWN OF 11,000. IN THAT WORLD, WE WENT THROUGH OUR CHALLENGES AS WELL WITH OUR DOWNTOWN COMMUNITY.
I UNDERSTAND THE RESIDENCE POINT.
BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND LIVE MUSIC.
OUR MUSIC BRINGS SUCH A SOUL TO THIS COMMUNITY THAT IS INCREDIBLE. I DON'T GET TO GO OUT EVERY DAY, I DON'T HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.
I AM BUSY RUNNING MY BUSINESS. BUSY TAKING CARE OF MY CHILDREN. BUSY TAKING THEM TO SCHOOL.
THAT IS WHAT I DO BUT ON MY TIME DOWN, REALLY GREAT I HAVE A 15 MINUTE DRIVE TO GO TO SIT IN ONE OF OUR PLACES, ENJOY LIVE MUSIC. WHEN I WAS 25 YEARS OLD I CAME HERE, WENT TO THE TOTAL, AMAZING TO SEE HOW THE PEOPLE OF THIS TOWN EMBRACE OTHERS FROM OUTSIDE.
PART OF THE CULTURE. PART OF THE PEOPLE, PART OF THE BEAUTY OF OUR PEOPLE MOVE HERE. I SELL REAL ESTATE.
I SEE IT ALL THE TIME. GO OUT AND HAVE DINNER AT PEPPERS, DINNER AT PHOTOS. DINNER AND YOU SIT AT THE TURTLE. SO MANY DIFFERENT AMAZING PIECES THAT WE HAVE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
LIVE MUSIC IS ONE OF THEM. FOR US TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION OF 100 YARDS, COME ON.
YOU HAVE TO GIVE THESE PEOPLE A BREAK.
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COVID-19, HURT THIS AREA. WE ALL KNOW, WE HAVE A ROLLBACK GOING. BECAUSE OF IT.POSSIBLY. YOUR COMMUNITY IS HURTING.
GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO KEEP OUR VOICES HEARD, I DON'T WANT OUR RESIDENTS TO BE COMPLETELY AT 120 DECIBELS.
THAT IS NOT OKAY. BUT SOMETHING THAT IS A MIDDLE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT. SO NOT SOMETHING THAT I AGREE THAT WE DO TODAY. BUT I THINK SOMETHING WE DO WITH OTHER CITIES AND LOOK AT TO DO THE RESEARCH, PUT THESE PANELS TOGETHER. BRING BACK OTHER ORDINANCES THAT WORK FOR OTHER COMMUNITIES.
LET'S DO OUR RESEARCH TO MAKE THIS RIGHT FOR TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT. NEXT FIVE OR 10 YEARS THIS IS WHERE IT STANDS. I HOPE THAT IS A FAIR STATEMENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR
>> AMY NIXON. THANK YOU MA'AM.
>> HELLO. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. THREE MINUTES.
>> THANK YOU. MY NAME IS AMY NIXON.
2153 NATURES GATE COURT NORTH FERNANDINA BEACH.
MUSICIAN ON THE ISLAND. I WANT TO START OUT BY TAKING A LOOK AROUND, LOOK AT THESE PEOPLE.
ALL THE OTHERS THAT DO NOT WANT THIS.
DO NOT WANT THE ORDINANCES TO BLOW EVERYTHING OUT OF THE WATER. THESE PEOPLE ARE HERE TO MAKE A VOICE. A FEW SELECT, I HAVEN'T MET, TRYING TO CHANGE THE LIVES OF SO MANY PEOPLE RIGHT NOW.
I CAME HERE FROM BOSTON MASSACHUSETTS NINE YEARS AGO.
WITH FOUR CHILDREN. MY T-SHIRT RIGHT HERE IS MY SON'S BAND, HE CAME HERE AS A FRESHMAN IN HIGH SCHOOL.
HE WAS 14.HE PLAYED ALMOST EVERY SINGLE VENUE HERE.
AND SAID, OUTSIDE. WE CHOSE THIS PLACE BECAUSE THAT WASN'T AVAILABLE UP IN MASSACHUSETTS.
THIS WAS A FREER PLACE TO LIVE, I WANT MY CHILDREN TO LIVE OUTSIDE. TO BE OUTSIDE.WE ARE ALL MUSICIANS. PLAIN VIOLENT 41 YEARS.
I CANNOT TALK TO ABOUT DECIBELS, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. WHEN I PLAYED IN VENUES, I ASKED THE PEOPLE IS IT TOO LOUD? IF SOMEONE GOES LIKE THAT, WE TURN IT DOWN.
NOT A BIG DEAL. FIRST TIME I WAS, THE ONLY TIME APPEAR ON THE STADIUM, WHATEVER IT IS CALLED, IS ONE THE PATIO PLACE WAS CITED WHEN MY SON DYLAN AND I WERE PLAYING MUSIC.
I HAD NO IDEA ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANT.
NEVER HAD TO DEAL WITH DECIMALS AND CITATIONS.
IT WAS MY SON AND I PLAYING IRISH MUSIC.
HE IS A GREAT PERFORMER. WE PLAY TRADITIONAL IRISH MUSIC.TOMORROW PLAYING FOR ST. PATRICK'S DAY.
I STAYED HOME FROM BOSTON THIS YEAR BECAUSE BOSTON SHUT DOWN.
YOU CANNOT PLAY MUSIC ANYWHERE. I SAID OKAY I AM GOING TO STAY HERE THIS YEAR. YOU MAKE TONS OF MONEY, YOU PLAY WHEREVER YOU WANT. IT IS OUTRAGEOUS.
SO LIKE AND NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT DECIMALS.
I AM HERE TO TALK ABOUT PROUD PEOPLE, LOOK AT THEM, SOME OF THEM, THIS IS THEIR LIVELIHOOD. IT IS MINE, I ALSO TEACH VIOLENT. BUT IF YOU WORK AT THE PATIO PLACE AS A COOK. I AM JUST SEEING OUTRAGEOUS EXAGGERATION HERE OF WHAT IS GOING ON.
I WOULD HATE TO SEE THIS ISLAND CHANGE, IT IS WHAT BROUGHT US HERE. I REALLY WANTED TO JUST MAKE THAT KNOWN THAT THE SIMPLE PEOPLE, DO NOT KNOW ABOUT DECIMALS, ACROSS THE STREET. HE CAME OVER AND SIMON SAID IF YOU GET TIME COME OVER AND PLAY THE MUSIC.
THE FIRST PEOPLE I MET HERE WERE MUSICIANS.
FANTASTIC. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.
PLEASE CONSIDER THE MUSICIANS. THANK YOU SIR.
>> I HAVE ONE QUESTION. >> MUSIC FOR A LONG TIME
>> EVER PLAYED IN A VENUE THAT HAD OTHER THAN FERNANDINA BEACH
HAVE A NOISE ORDINANCE? >> NOT THAT I KNOW OF NO.
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>> THANK YOU. >> DO YOU GO BY NICOLE?
>> THANK YOU. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. THREE MINUTES.> GOOD EVENING. NICOLE JAMISON.
LOCAL CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY, HOMEOWNER.
413 STANLEY DRIVE IN THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH.
REPRESENT THE BOATHOUSE, THEY HAVE HIRED ME TO DEFEND AGAINST SOME OF THE MOST RECENT CITATIONS.
I CAN SAY THAT TIMECLOCK IS GIVING ME FLASHBACKS.
SO I WILL TRY NOT TO MELT DOWN. ALSO A LOVER OF MUSIC.
I APPRECIATE THE COMMISSION'S ATTENTION TO THIS ISSUE THIS EVENING. SO RECEPTIVE OF THE VOICES OF THE COMMUNITY. I CAN TELL YOU TO FOLLOW UP ON WHAT AMY SAID, THOSE FOLKS ARE NOT PEOPLE WHO SHOWED UP FOR A SIDEWALK PARTY. THEY ARE YOUR VOTERS, THEY ARE LOCAL BUSINESS OWNERS, LOCAL MUSICIANS WHOSE LIVELIHOODS DEPEND ON THEIR ABILITY TO OFFER THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH LIVE MUSIC. I THINK TO REITERATE, I DON'T THINK A SINGLE PERSON OUT THERE IS ADVOCATING FOR SOME KIND OF YOU KNOW NO RESTRICTION, LET'S HAVE 2:00 A.M. ROCK CONCERT.
DJ PLAYING. UNTIL ALL HOURS OF THE MORNING.
AS COMMISSIONER SAID EARLIER, EVERYBODY HAS BEEN RELATIVELY SELF-REGULATING WITH RESPECT TO THE TIME LIMIT.
I THINK SAID THAT THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY ISSUES IN TERMS OF PEOPLE VIOLATING THE TIME LIMIT.
I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS ADVOCATING FOR SOME KIND OF SOLUTION THAT GIVES THEM A GREEN LIGHT TO DISTURB THE DOWNTOWN RESIDENTS PEACE AND QUIET.
I CAN TELL YOU, NO CONSTITUTIONAL LAW SCHOLAR, RELATIVELY FAMILIAR WITH THE CONSTITUTION AS RELATES TO THIS ISSUE. I CAN SAY WITHOUT WAIVING THE ORDINANCE WRITTEN IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.
THAT ENFORCEMENT IS IMPACTING THE LIVELIHOOD OF YOUR LOCAL BUSINESSES. I HAVE SUGGESTIONS, I DON'T KNOW I HAVE A PERFECT ANSWER. I DON'T KNOW THERE IS A PERFECT ANSWER. AS YOU KNOW, AS GOVERNING BODY ABSOLUTELY NO WAY TO PLEASE ALL OF THE PEOPLE ALL OF THE TIME.
ALL ABOUT STRIKING A BALANCE. WHAT WORKS BEST, REASONABLENESS IS ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS. A COMPELLING INTEREST IN REGULATING THE PEACE AND QUIET OF DOWNTOWN AREA? SURE. BUT YOU HAVE TO DO SO IN THE LEAST RESTRICTIVE MEANS POSSIBLE TO ACHIEVE THAT OBJECTIVE. THIS 100 FOOT, I AM AUDIBLE FOR MORE THAN 100 FEET AWAY. A BAN ON ALL ORDER LIVE MUSIC IN THE CITY. THE SAME CONSIDERATIONS GOING TO COME INTO PLAY IN TERMS OF COMING UP WITH WHAT IS APPROPRIATE DECIBEL MEASUREMENT.
BECAUSE A DECIBEL THAT IS TOO LOW IN CONSIDERATION, BACKGROUND, URBAN CITY NOISE ALSO BE OVERLY RESTRICTIVE AND DEEMED TO BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL. ALL ABOUT FINDING WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. I THINK PROBABLY THE BEST OBJECTIVE WAY TO MEASURE IT. USING SORT OF ¦
>> THANK YOU. >> I DO HAVE A QUESTION.O THE ATTORNEY FOR THE BOATHOUSE. AS THE ATTORNEY, ANY DISCUSSION ON THE OWNERS OF THE BOATHOUSE, TO MITIGATE THE SOUND, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN BY MITIGATING. IMPROVING THE PROFILE OF THE PERFORMANCE STAGE, THAT DIRECTS THE MUSIC TO THE PATRONS AND
NOT TO EVERYBODY ELSE. >> ABSOLUTELY.
I APPRECIATE THAT QUESTION. SOME OF MY FIRST ADVICE TO THEM. IT HAS BEEN ONGOING DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN US WITHOUT GETTING INTO CONFIDENTIAL MATTERS.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT THEY ARE WORKING TOWARDS SOLUTIONS.
KNOWING AND UNDERSTANDING, ULTIMATELY APPROVED.
THEY HAVE A SOUND ENGINEER, THAT THEY HAVE CONSULTED WITH.
I KNOW THEY HAVE SOME SOUND MITIGATION PRODUCTS THAT THEY ARE RESEARCHING OUT OF CENTRAL FLORIDA.
A COMPANY OUT OF ORLANDO THAT MAKES PANELS AND CURTAINS.
COULD BE PLACED ON THE SIDE IN THE BACK TO REDIRECT ANY TRAVELING SOUND FROM AN AREA THAT IT IS INTENDED FOR.OCUS IT TOWARDS THE COURTYARD. YES IS THE SHORT ANSWER TO YOUR
QUESTION. >> THANK YOU.> NO PROBLEM.
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>> THANK YOU. I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
WE HAVE SENT BACK A POSSIBLE SOLUTION WHERE THE METRIC WOULD BE INCREASED 150 FEET. DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION ON THAT?
>> I DO. I THINK IT WOULD REMAIN UNCONSTITUTIONAL IN THE CITY TOPS 150 FEET.
JUST FOR THE INFORMATION, ACOUSTIC SOUND, ON AMPLIFIED MUSIC, WE DID AN EXPERIMENT OVER THE WEEKEND WITH THAT SOUND ENGINEER. WHO WAS A PROFESSIONAL DECIBEL METER AND WE ROLLED IT OUT WITH A MEASUREMENT.
SO ACOUSTIC ON AMPLIFIED MUSIC, NOT A LOUDSPEAKER, AUDIBLE FOR MORE THAN 150 FEET AWAY. THE OUTDOOR AMBIENCE SPEAKER MUSIC THAT SORT OF RESTAURANTS PLAY IN THE BACKGROUND AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANY MUSICIANS IS AUDIBLE FROM A DISTANCE OF GREATER THAN 150 FEET. THE PROPOSED REVISION IS 100 FOOT RESTRICTION RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
GOING TO BE LOUDER THAN 100 FEET.
BASICALLY GOING THROUGH THE EFFORTS TO REWRITE IT BUT NOT FIXING THE PROBLEMS. SO I THINK THE U.S. SUPREME COURT WOULD SAY THAT ANY RESTRICTION THAT IS FUNCTIONING LIKE AN EFFECTIVE FAN IS OVERLY RESTRICTIVE AND THEREFORE UNCONSTITUTIONAL. I SUBMIT 150 FEET WOULD BE THE
EXACT SAME PROBLEM. >> THANK YOU.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
>> MY NAME IS MARK. 4747 COURT FERNANDINA.
CURRENTLY THE GM FOR THE GREEN TURTLE.
WORKED THERE FOR GOING ON SEVEN YEARS.
60 HOURS A WEEK.PRETTY MUCH HANDLE EVERYTHING THAT GOES THROUGH THERE, THE MUSIC, THE EVENTS.
ANYTHING THAT THE TURTLE DOES I AM.
SO I FEEL LIKE I KIND OF HAVE A SAMPLE SIZE, THE BUSIEST OUTDOOR VENUE IN FERNANDINA. NEVER BEEN CITED.
NEVER. WE HAVE RUN PANS, FESTIVALS, SOLO BANDS. NEVER HAD A CITATION.
NEVER. UNTIL MARCH 6. THIS YEAR.
CITED ON MARCH 6, THE BAND WAS NOT PLAYING MUSIC.
WE HAD MUSIC GOING. IT WAS A SURPRISE TO ME, LIKE MANY OTHER PEOPLE, I AM NOT EVEN READ THE NEWS UTTERANCE COMPLETELY. DID NOT KNOW, I THOUGHT IT WAS 10:00 P.M. SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY AND 11:00 FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. THAT IS WHAT I HAVE GOVERNED MYSELF FOR FOR YEARS. THE NEIGHBORS, I HAVE A PHONE WILL OF PHONE NUMBERS FOR NEIGHBORS ALL OVER HERE.
TELL THEM TEXT ME IF IT IS TOO LOUD.
I WILL TURN IT DOWN. THE ONLY TIME I WILL GET A TEXT IS IF IT IS AFTER THAT TIME LIMIT.
I ADVOCATE FOR THE TIME LIMIT. A SET TIME LIMIT.
THAT IS WHAT HAS WORKED FOR US FOR YEARS. DECIBEL METER WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ME, I CAN GOVERN MY OWN PLACE.
RIGHT NOW I DON'T KNOW UNTIL THE POLICE SHOW UP USUALLY BECAUSE OF ONE RESIDENT HAS CALLED AND COMPLAINED.
THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED. NEVER.
SO I AM HERE TO ADVOCATE FOR THAT.
ALSO WANT TO SAY THAT WHEN I FOUND OUT THAT, I WENT ON MOUNT BACK TO GET HER NUMBER. I REACHED OUT TO HER, SHE CAN ATTEST TO THIS. YOU GUYS CAN READ THE TEXT.
THE CONVERSATION UP AND DOWN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, LAST WEEKEND IT WORKED OUT GREAT. WE HAD A MUTUAL AGREEMENT ON THE TIME. IF YOU HAVE THE TIME, PEOPLE DO NOT COMPLAIN WHEN THEY KNOW WHEN IT IS GOING TO STOP.
YOU HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER. JUST LIKE WE DID.
WE HAD A RECORD DAY ON SATURDAY.
PEOPLE ARE HERE, PEOPLE WANT TO SPEND MONEY.
WE ALL HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER. LOVE TO SEE SOME SORT OF EXPERIMENT DONE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS ON THE METER.
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LIKE TO SEE THE CITATION STOP UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT WHAT ISGOING ON. THANK YOU.>> IF YOU WOULD STAY FOR A MINUTE. A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU SINCE YOU ARE A BUSINESS OWNER. SO AS YOU KNOW, MOST CELL PHONES YOU CAN GET A DECIBEL METER.
>> I HAVE DONE THAT MYSELF. >> WOULD IT BE HELPFUL OR MAYBE AS MAYOR, I COULD ASK YOU. DO AN EXPERIMENT.
>> ARE CURRENTLY DAY. LAST WEEKEND.
I TOOK A READING FROM THE SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE BUSINESS. I CANNOT TELL YOU WHAT 100 FEET IS. BUT I DID ONE FROM ACROSS, ONE
TOWARDS CENTER STREET. >> WHAT LEVELS?> ON THE SIDEWALK IN THE 70S. WHEN I CROSSED THE STREET MORE AROUND 68. DOWN BY CENTER STREET IT WAS STILL IN THE 60S BECAUSE I BELIEVE YOU GET SOME ACOUSTIC, SOMEWHERE, WASN'T OVER 80. LIKE I SAID WE REALLY DID NOT HAVE TO TURN IT DOWN MUCH AT ALL.
THE COMMUNICATION WAS THE TIME. >> OKAY.
SO IF THE CITY WERE TO FOLLOW A SAINT AUGUSTINE TYPE ORDINANCE, WHERE 75 DECIBELS PRIOR TO 10:00 P.M. THAT WOULD BE
WORKABLE FOR YOU? >> I THINK IT WOULD GIVE ME A
>> I AM NOT CERTIFIED. USING MY PHONE.
I THINK IT WOULD GIVE A GAUGE TO LET ME KNOW.
I WOULD HAVE THE SAME METER THAT THE POLICE HAVE.
>> WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO TRY AN EXPERIMENT FOR US?
>> 100 PERCENT. >> TRY THE SAINT AUGUSTINE ORDINANCE. SEE IF 75 WORKS FOR YOU.
AFTER 10:00 65. >> BE GLAD TO TAKE READINGS FROM DIFFERENT PLACES. PROPERTY LINE EXTENDS IN A DIFFERENT FASHION. FROM THE BUSINESS, UPFRONT, I CAN TAKE IT FROM THE STAGE, FROM DOWN THE STREET.
PUT THAT TOGETHER AND RESUBMIT THAT ARE COME BACK AT THE NEXT
EMAIL THE CITY MANAGER OF YOUR FINDINGS.
THAT WOULD BE INVALUABLE TO US IN MAKING A DECISION.
>> I THINK THAT IS WHAT WE'VE GOT TO DO.
DATA THAT WE CAN LOOK AT, NON-PARTIAL, LOOK AT THE NUMBERS. I HAVE NEVER DEALT WITH THAT BEFORE. DOING MUSIC THERE FOR A LONG TIME. A WAY TO DO IT, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE COMPLICATED. WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER AND FIGURE OUT ACTUAL BASELINES. AUDIBLE IS ÃI AM HALF DEATH.
>> THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER BRIAN.
>> STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
THREE MINUTES. >> OKAY.JOHN, PARDON ME?
>> I AM SORRY. LET ME MAKE SURE I HAVE YOUR SHEET. OKAY.
PTHANK YOU. HOW ARE YOU DOING?
I AM ARRANGING. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR
THE RECORD, THREE MINUTES. >> MY NAME IS BRIAN.
MY ADDRESS 132 CIRCLE. NOT A FERNANDINA RESIDENT.
LIKE TO GIVE YOU A SHORT OVERVIEW OF YOU KNOW WHAT MY OPINION BASICALLY IS. I AM GOING TO READ IT SO I DO NOT STAMMER. MY NAME IS BRIAN, ENGINEER FOR THE BOEING COMPANY AT THE NAVAL SUBMARINE BASE.
A RESIDENT OF THE ST. MARY'S GEORGIA.
MY HOBBY IS PLAYING LIVE MUSIC OFTEN AT THE GREEN TURTLE IN FERNANDINA BEACH. IT IS MY FAVORITE VENUE.
DUE TO THE LAYOUT AND THE AMBIENCE.
WHENEVER WE PLAY THE TURTLE, APPROACHED DURING THE BREAKS, FROM VARIOUS PLACES AROUND THE COUNTRY WHO EXPRESSED THEIR DELIGHT WITH THE MUSIC, THE RELAXED NATURE OF THE VENUE.
THEY USUALLY FINISH BY SAYING THEY WILL RETURN OR LET THEIR
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FRIENDS KNOW OF THE GOOD TIME. WHEN I'M NOT PLAYING MYSELF, MY WIFE AND I OFTEN COME TO FERNANDINA BEACH TO EAT DINNER IN ONE OF THE RESTAURANTS AND LISTEN TO MUSIC IN THE ESTABLISHMENTS. I HAVE A PREFERENCE FOR LIVE BANDS, I ENJOY LISTENING TO THE INTERACTION.BETWEEN THE INDIVIDUAL MUSICIANS AND THE VARIOUS UNIQUE ARRANGEMENTS THE VANS BRING TO THE SONGS.
WHEN MY BAND PLAYS, OUR FANS FROM JACKSONVILLE IN THE AREA SOMETIMES GET A HOTEL ROOM AND STAYED THE NIGHT.
THE DRAW FOR THIS ACTIVITY IS THE ABILITY TO WALK FROM ONE ESTABLISHMENT TO THE OTHER TO EXPERIENCE MULTIPLE ARTISTS IN A COMMON LOCATION. IN FACT SOME OF MY FRIENDS ATTENDED MY BANDS PERFORMANCE THIS PAST FRIDAY NIGHT AT THE TURTLE. I KNOW OBTAINED LOCALLY.
SO THEY COULD STAY THE NIGHT. I AM TALKING TAXES.
OKAY. FERNANDINA BEACH IS A TOURIST TOWN, THALAMIC MUSIC IS A PART OF THE CHARM AND THE DRAW FOR TOURISM. IT IS MY OPINION THAT THE LIVE MUSIC IS WHAT MAKES FERNANDINA BEACH ATTRACTIVE.
IF THALAMIC MUSIC IS LIMITED TO THE POINT WHERE THE ESTABLISHMENTS ARE UNABLE TO OPERATE AS I HAVE DONE AT THIS POINT, NOT MUCH REASON FOR ME AND MY WIFE TO COME DOWN HERE AND GO TO LOCAL RESTAURANTS. PERSONALLY I THINK A TIME LIMIT IS THE BEST THING, IF YOU HAVE A BAND, GOING TO BE LOUDER THAN SIMPLY PLAYING A GUITAR. IF YOU CUT IT OFF AT A CERTAIN TIME, THAT IS FAIR FOR THE ESTABLISHMENTS.
OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT DURING THE WEEK AND THE WEEKEND.
I SINCERELY HOPE THAT A SOLUTION, INVOLVE A COMPROMISE CAN BE ESTABLISHED THAT BEST SERVES THE PURPOSES OF THE BUSINESSES WHO OFFER THIS ENTERTAINMENT AND THE RESIDENCE. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> COMMISSIONERS.
7:27. I HAVE SIX MORE SPEAKERS.
>> KEEP ON GOING. >> I AM GOOD.
IF WE NEED TO USE >> PLEASE BE SEATED.
PLEASE BE SEATED. THANK YOU, IN SESSION.
STILL WITH PUBLIC COMMENT. MR. SAMUEL MCDONALD.
SAMUEL MCDONALD. >> WELCOME SIR.
>> STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
THREE MINUTES. >> MY NAME IS SAMUEL MCDONALD.
BORN AND RAISED HERE. GOING ON THE ISLAND, LIVED ON THIS ISLAND. I AND A LOCAL MUSICIAN.
DOING THIS FOR LIVING FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS.
THIS IS ALL I DO, MY LIVELIHOOD.
I LOVE IT. YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE THESE PEOPLE ARE TO LOVE GOING TO THESE ESTABLISHMENTS.
LISTENING TO LIVE MUSIC.>> PLEASE STATE YOUR ADDRESS, SIR.
>> IS 6055 COURTNEY WAY. >> THANK YOU.
>> PLEASE CONTINUE. >> JUST LIKE THESE AWESOME PEOPLE OUT HERE THAT CRAVE GOING AND LISTENING TO MUSIC, TO FORGET ABOUT THEIR WORRIES OR TROUBLES JUST FOR A WHILE, TO HELP THEM COPE WITH LIFE ESPECIALLY WITH THIS CRAZY PANDEMIC. I CRAVE ENTERTAINMENT AS WELL.
ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS TO DO BY FAR.
FULLY FOUR THE TIMEFRAME, THE TIME MENTIONED BY A FEW DIFFERENT PEOPLE BEFORE ME. I FEEL LIKE SINCE IT WASN'T AN ISSUE THIS PAST WEEKEND FROM WHAT I HEAR, THERE WAS NO DIRECT COMMUNICATION PREPPING A PROBLEM, OR LAW ENFORCEMENT TO STATE IT WAS A PROBLEM, THEN THAT TELLS ME THAT IT WORKS.
SO I FEEL LIKE A CUT OFF TIME WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA.
YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN COME TO A COMFORTABLE MEDIUM, HAVE THAT SET IN PLACE, MAYBE ADOPT SAINT AUGUSTINE'S ORDINANCE AS WELL OR PART OF IT. I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD WORK.
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THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO EVERYONE HERE.BEEN THROUGH A LOT. COOKS, BARTENDERS, WAITSTAFF, PUT IN A HOLE, A DEEP HOLE FINANCIALLY.
WE NEED THIS. I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN TO ME. ABOUT TO GO DOWN THE STREET AND
PLAY MYSELF. >> THE SAME QUESTION.
HAVE YOU EVER PERFORMED IN A CITY THAT HAS A NOISE
ORDINANCE? >> NO BUT I PLAYED IN GEORGIA AND JACKSONVILLE AS WELL AS SAINT AUGUSTINE.
NEVER BEEN SAID TO MYSELF PERSONALLY.
>> IN SAINT AUGUSTINE HOW WAS YOUR LEVEL MEASURED?
>> IT WASN'T. I WAS PIGGYBACK ON A GIG FOR A FRIEND OF MINE. THERE WAS NO COMPLAINT, NO ISSUE WITH THE VOLUME. EVERYBODY HAD A GOOD TIME.
>> WONDERING HOW THEY KNEW WHAT THE VOLUME WAS IF THEY WERE
MEASURING IT. >> I JESSE NO, NO ISSUE THERE.
BUT I WAS PIGGYBACKING. I FEEL LIKE THAT IS A GOOD IDEA. NEVER BEEN CITED. FEEL LIKE YOU KNOW IF THERE IS AN ISSUE, MAYBE WE COULD GO ABOUT IT A
SIMILAR WAY THEY DID. >> WHAT A DECIMAL METER HELP
YOU IN ACHIEVING THAT? >> YOU KNOW I WOULD DEFER THAT.
>> ABSOLUTELY. >> I CANNOT TELL.
WELCOME, SIR. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR
THE RECORD AND THREE MINUTES. >> YES, SIR.
I LIVE ON 123. I AM A MUSICIAN AROUND FERNANDINA, AVERAGE OF ONE GIG A DAY SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
PLANE OVER ACROSS THE STREET AT THE BOATHOUSE.
YOU KNOW LIVE MUSIC IS WHAT KEEPS THIS COMMUNITY TOGETHER.
O MUCH GOOD STUFF GROWN FROM IT.
YOU KNOW LIKE WHAT HAS BEEN SAID, A DECIBEL LEVEL NEEDS TO BE SET. I TRY TO BE AS RESPECTFUL AS POSSIBLE. I PLAY VERY CHILL SONGS.
WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT YOU KNOW.
MY RESTAURANT GIGS. PLAYING JAMES TAYLOR.
GRATEFUL DEAD, IF I'M PLAYING AT THE PALACE INSIDE, OF COURSE I CRANK IT UP A BIT. I KNOW MY BOUNDARIES.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD ALL DEFINITELY PAY ATTENTION TO. AS MUSICIANS.
BUT YOU KNOW AS FAR AS THINGS GOING ON LATELY, I FEEL LIKE A BIT OF AN AND FAIRNESS THE PAST FEW WEEKS AND MONTHS REALLY.
LIKE TO SEE SOME CHANGE IN THAT.E AS WELL AS THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY. PLAYING AROUND DOWNTOWN SINCE MY UNCLE BUILT, SINCE I WAS 17. 16 I PLAYED, MY BUDDY MIKE IS GOING TO BE COMING UP NEXT. THE FIRST GIG WE'VE EVER HAD.
BUT YOU KNOW PLAYING AROUND HERE MY ENTIRE LIFE, I PLAYED MUSIC MY ENTIRE LIFE AND REALLY SAD TO SEE SOME OF THE THINGS GOING ON LATELY. ALSO REALLY GREAT TO SEE EVERYBODY THAT SHOWED UP TODAY. THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE.
A LOT OF LOVE, A LOT OF LOVE INVOLVED.
IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. >> OKAY.
ASK YOU THE SAME QUESTIONS. EVER PERFORMED IN SAINT AUGUSTINE OR CITY THAT MEASURED DB?
>> I HAVEN'T PERFORMED IN SAINT AUGUSTINE.
I PLAYED IN JACKSONVILLE. ST. MARY'S A LOT.
BUT NO DO NOT HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE WITH THAT.
I DO HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH DOING MUSIC PRODUCTION IN DECIBEL LEVELS AS FAR AS I TRAVEL AROUND FOR ALMOST A YEAR BUILDING STAGES FOR MUSIC FESTIVALS AS FAR AS VEGAS AND
TEXAS. >> WOULD A METER TO BE HELPFUL?
>> OF COURSE. YOU KNOW THAT IS THE THING, THE GUIDELINE. IF WE HAVE A GUIDELINE WE WOULD KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TO TURN IT UP TO AND HOW TO PLAY WITH THAT.
BEING INVOLVED IN MUSIC FOR SO LONG CONSTANTLY WHEREVER I AM PLAYING, ADJUSTING LIKE THE PALACE, YOU CANNOT, KEEP YOUR
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BASE DOWN. OUTSIDE PUT MORE BASE IN IT.EVEN A SOUND. ADJUSTING WITH THE NOISE.
THROUGHOUT THE GIG. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> THANK YOU WHILE. >> MR. SCOTT.
>> JOHN. >> STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. THREE MINUTES.
>> FERNANDINA. I KNOW YOU HAVE HEARD A LOT.
I JUST LISTENED TO DIFFERENT GUYS, A LOT ARE NOT FROM AROUND HERE. PERSPECTIVE, WE GOT HERE ALMOST 5 YEARS AGO. I RETIRED 2.5 YEARS AGO.
THE REASON WE CAME HERE, WAS FOR THE MUSIC.WE LOVE IT.
WE LOVED THE AMBIENCE, I LIVE CLOSE TO DOWNTOWN.
FOR THE MOST I GUESS, THE MUSIC PUTS LIVELIHOOD AROUND HERE.
WE GO OUT ON OUR PORCH, JUST TO LISTEN, TRYING TO HEAR AROUND THE CORNER. YOU CANNOT HEAR IT AS WELL AS SOME PEOPLE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DECIBEL IS AT MY OWN, BUT WE LOVE IT. TO ME, IT IS NOT A NEGATIVE.
IT IS NOT NOISE, IT IS MUSIC. MAYBE YOU NEED TO HAVE A MUSIC ORDINANCE TO MAKE IT EASIER TO PERFORM FOR THESE GUYS.
THEY ARE, I KNOW MOST OF THEM. A GREAT COMMUNITY.
THAT PERMEATES THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND TOWN.
WE JUST ENJOY BEING A PART OF THAT, I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE A TOUGH JOB, I GET IT. I JUST WANTED TO HAVE A PERSPECTIVE FROM A GUY, WE MOVED HERE, ONE OF THE REASONS
IS MUSIC AND THE TOWN. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> MR. MICHAEL. >> WELCOME SIR.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
>> THREE MINUTES. >> MY NAME IS MICHAEL HAWTHORNE. THE SECOND.
919 VERNON STREET. FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA.
WANTED TO THANK YOU TO ALL THE COMMISSIONERS FOR THIS MEETING AND ALLOWING US TO BE HEARD. RESIDENT SINCE 2004 WHEN I MOVED HERE. I MUSICIAN FOR OVER 10 YEARS, PLAYED AROUND ALL AROUND THIS TOWN AS WELL AS JACKSONVILLE, GEORGIA, SAINT AUGUSTINE. MULTIPLE DIFFERENT AREAS IN NORTH CAROLINA. AND I WORK IN CONSTRUCTION.
REASON I MENTION THAT, I THINK PART OF THIS ISSUE GOES HAND IN HAND, WITH DEVELOPMENT. I THINK WE'VE SEEN A LARGER GROWTH OF THIS ISSUE, TO STATE BECAUSE OF OUR LACK OF SETBACKS. THE OVERDEVELOPMENT OF THIS ENTIRE ISLAND BUT PORTIONS OF IT THAT HAVE CREATED CONFLICT.
FOR INSTANCE, BEING A LAWNMOWER OR A ROCK CONCERT FOR INSTANCE, ONE QUOTE, LAWNMOWER 90 DECIBELS.
NO HUMAN JEFF DEAR OVER 100 DECIBELS FOR IN EXCESS OF 15 MINUTES. NORMAL OR ROCK CONCERTS, GO TO A VENUE. SOME AROUND 120 DECIBELS.
THAT IS NOT A FULL ROUND NUMBER.
IT COULD CHANGE DEPENDING ON WHAT THEIR PLANE.
WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST, MAKE SENSE TO ME, A TIME IN WHICH WE STOP, SOMETHING AROUND 11:00. MOST OF THAT HINGES ON COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE BUSINESSES THAT ARE HERE.
LIKE MARK MENTIONED, PLENTY OF INSTANCES WHERE THERE COULD'VE
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BEEN AN ALTERCATION. FOLLOWED BY HAVING COMMUNICATION. OF WHICH TO PROVIDE A SOLID OPTION FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE EXACTLY WHAT THEY NEED WHICH IS PEACE AND QUIET SOMETIMES. EXCUSE ME.HAVING LESS SPACE EACH YEAR, WORKING WITH DIFFERENT PEOPLE ON AN AMPHITHEATER PROJECT TO TRY TO GIVE SOMETHING FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE A PLACE TO EXHIBIT THINGS LIKE MUSIC, DANCE, ART OF ALL KINDS, DOES NOT HAVE TO BE SUBJECTIVE.
FOR A MULTITUDE OF THINGS. A PLACE THAT COULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE AND MORE COHESIVE TO THE ENVIRONMENT THAT WE LIVE IN. IT IS CONSTANTLY CHANGING.
THAT IS KIND OF MY NEXT QUESTION.
WHERE DO WE SEE OUR ISLAND IN FIVE OR 10 YEARS? WHAT DEVELOPMENT TO LEAD TO THINGS WHERE THERE IS MORE ISSUES. OR BECOME A SORT OF COMING TO TERMS OF WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO US.
WHAT WILL BE IMPORTANT IN THE COMING DAYS.
I THINK MOST OF THE CITY WANT TO KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT IN TERMS OF THE LEVEL. I THINK THAT THIS TIME LIMIT COULD GIVE PEOPLE AN IDEA OF WHAT EXPECTATIONS CAN BE.
LIKE MANY OTHERS HAVE SAID, MANY FORMS.
>> THANK YOU. >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION.
I HAVE ASKED THE OTHER PERFORMERS.
HE PERFORMED IN SAINT AUGUSTINE.
WHEN THEY HAD THE CURRENT DECIBEL?
HOW DO YOU THINK THE DECIBEL LEVEL WOULD IMPACT YOU?
>> I THINK IT COULD DO WELL UNDER THE RIGHT TERMS. COMMON GROUND, THE SAME METER. NO WIGGLE ROOM IN THAT.
IF WE ARE TO SET A LEVEL, COMFORTABLE FOR THE CITIZENS, EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE TO PLAY ON THE SAME PLAYING FIELD WHETHER MUSIC OR A TRAIN CROSSING. I THINK WE HAVE NOISE POLLUTION EVERYWHERE. MANY FORMS OF NOISE POLLUTION, I BELIEVE MUSIC IS THE LEAST TOXIC OF ALL.
>> THANK YOU REX COMMISSIONER, CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
I AM SORRY, ONE MORE. THANK YOU MA'AM.
THANK YOU. SO CALL MICHELLE DAVIS.
VERY FIRST SPEAKER THAT I HAD CALLED, SHE IS HERE.
WELCOME. >> REALLY LOUD OUT THERE.
>> I CAN IMAGINE. >> CAN YOU MEASURE THEM IN
DECIBELS? >> THE TRAIN WAS REALLY LOUD.
>> STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS TO THE RECORD.
THREE MINUTES. >> I CAN BE SHORT AND SWEET.
MICHELLE DAVIS. LIVING HERE ABOUT FIVE YEARS, TELL YOU THAT FERNANDINA IS A SPECIAL PLACE.
THIS WAS THE PLACE WE CAME TO MAKE MEMORIES.
I CAME HERE WHEN YOU KNOW WHEN WE GRADUATE HIGH SCHOOL, WE HAD PROM, WHEN I TURNED IN MY 40TH BIRTHDAY WAS CELEBRATED HERE.
WHEN WE WERE READY TO MAKE MEMORIES, I NEVER SAID MY FRIENDS, I WISH THAT WE CAN FIND A PLACE WITH A NICE QUIET NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE WE COULD LOOK AT THE ROSES AND ADMIRE HOW QUIET THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS. OF COURSE WE DID NOT DO THAT.
WE COME DOWN HERE BECAUSE IT IS FUN, IT IS AWESOME.
I LOVE LIVING HERE. WE COME OUT ON A NIGHT LIKE TONIGHT, WHERE IT IS GORGEOUS. YOU GO FROM PLACE TO PLACE.
THAT IS WHY WE LIVE HERE. THAT IS WHY WE SPEND OUR MONEY HERE FOR YEARS. THAT IS WHY I BOUGHT TWO CONDOS HERE. THE PLACE WHERE I GO TO HAVE FUN AND MAKE MEMORIES COULD BE THE PLACE I LIVE.
WHEN WE MAKE THOSE MEMORIES THERE IS PEOPLE TO HELP US.
WE HAVE BARTENDERS AND SERVERS, THEY BECOME PART OF OUR FAMILY.
THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SUFFERING, THE LACK OF FREEDOM BECAUSE ALL BEEN ON LOCKDOWN. NOW THESE PEOPLE REALLY NEEDING THEIR MONEY, GET READY TO HAVE FUN.
SHUT DOWN BY THINGS LIKE A NOISE ORDINANCE.
I WANT TO ASK YOU ONE QUESTION, WHEN I LIVED IN GEORGIA, I LIVED IN ONE TOWN LIKE MAYBERRY.
ANYBODY WANTS PEACE AND QUIET, RECOMMENDATION FOR YOU.
IT DOESN'T GET ANY MORE QUIET THAN FOLKS IN GEORGIA.
AT ONE POINT I LIVED, MOST OF YOU WILL NOT EVEN KNOW WHERE IT IS. I HAD A THOUSAND ACRES AROUND ME. ALL THE PEACE AND QUIET I COULD HANDLE. WHEN I CAME TO LIVE IN CONDO, I
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ACCEPTED CERTAIN THINGS. THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS NOT JUST MY NEIGHBORHOOD. IT IS CALLED CONSIDERATION.IF I BUY A PROPERTY RIGHT HERE, DOES THAT MEAN MY ONE HOME GETS TO DICTATE WHAT OLD TOWN FULL PEOPLE GET TO DO? I AM ASKING YOU BECAUSE IF I BUY, I GO OUT THERE, I SEE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE OUT THERE RIGHT THIS MINUTE HAVING FUN LISTENING TO MUSIC. DOWN AT THE PALACE LISTENING.
EVERYBODY IS HAVING A GREAT TIME, ALL I CAN SAY IS YOU PEOPLE ARE TOO LOUD. I AM ASKING YOU.
YOU NEED TO LISTEN TO ALL THE TAXPAYERS AND THE TOURISTS, THINK ABOUT OUR SERVICE INDUSTRY.
AMAZING MUSICIANS. ROCK ON, KEEP MUSIC DOWNTOWN.
THAT IS WHAT WE WANT. >> THANK YOU MA'AM.
>> MR. RICHARD. >> WELCOME SIR.
THREE MINUTES. >> MY NAME IS RICHARD.
86 ONE NORTHAMPTON CLUB WAY. NORTHAMPTON OFF THE ISLAND.
I GUESS WHAT I WANT TO SAY, I AM HERE FOR MY SON.
MY SON IS 14, MY KIDS IN SCHOOL ON THE ISLAND SINCE PRESCHOOL.
IN THE SYSTEM HERE, MY SON PLAYS 10 INSTRUMENTS.
HE WANTS TO BE THE NEXT BAND. AT 14 ALREADY PLAYED AT THE BOATHOUSE, ALREADY HAD, I WAS WATCHING, I COMMENTED THAT IT IS AMAZING WE CAN HAVE A VENUE LIKE THIS WHERE YOU CAN PLAY MUSIC AT A VOLUME, JUST COME OUT ON A BEAUTIFUL NIGHT.
THAT SAME NIGHT SOMEONE CALLED IN A NOISE COMPLAINT.
AT 7:00 P.M. OR 8:00 P.M., THAT IS UNREASONABLE.
COMPLETELY UNREASONABLE. I HEARD THE TALK ABOUT DECIBEL METERS, I AM OKAY WITH THAT. MY CONCERN IS FOR THE FUTURE MUSICIANS OF THIS TOWN, MY SON IS INVOLVED IN THE MUSIC COMMUNITY. PLAYED SINKS SINCE HE WAS SIX YEARS OLD. I WANT HIM TO COME HERE AND PLAY. I LIVE IN THE COUNTY NORTHAMPTON, I LITERALLY HAVE A CONTRACT AND A HOUSE TRYING TO MOVE TO THE ISLAND AND BE A RESIDENT.
QUESTIONING WHETHER WE SHOULD DO THAT.
SO I URGE YOU TO FIND REASONABLENESS.
IF PEOPLE LIVE CLOSE TO DOWNTOWN, I AM WITH THE LEAGUE OF FOLKS WHO BELIEVE IF YOU LIVE NEAR DOWNTOWN, YOU HAVE TO USE COMMON SENSE AND EXPECT NOISE.
ALSO SUBMIT TO YOU THAT THE UTTERANCE DOES NOT APPLY BECAUSE MUSIC IS NOT NOISE. MAYBE CONSIDER OFFERING DISCOUNTS FOR BETTER WINDOWS IF THEY WANT TO TAKE THAT OR START A CHARITY. OUR GOFUNDME FOR PEOPLE TO HIS MONEY FOR BETTER WINDOWS IF THEY ARE NEARBY.
BUT WE ARE COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE WHO LOVE THE ARTS AND MUSIC.
WATCH THE CITY ADVERTISE ON THE BACKS OF THE MUSICIANS TO DRAW PEOPLE TO THIS TOWN. THIS ORDINANCE IS A BETRAYAL OF THAT. SO AGAIN I URGE YOU TO FIND REASONABLENESS AND COMPROMISE. 11:00 AT NIGHT ON A WEEKNIGHT OR 11:00 UNTIL MIDNIGHT ON A WEEKEND, SARATOGA, AUSTIN, SAVANNAH, ANYTOWN WHERE THEY HAVE A VIBRANT LIVE ARTS AND MUSIC COMMUNITY, THAT IS WHAT IS GOING ON THERE.
IT IS ABOUT JOY AND HAPPINESS AND LOVE AND CREATIVITY.
RECORDS MUSIC AT 14. HE PLAYS MUSIC AT 14.
I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER COMMUNITY.
COMING HERE FOR 30 YEARS OFF AND ON.
>> THANK YOU SIR. APPRECIATE IT.
SO CUT OFF PUBLIC COMMENT. IF ANYONE WANTS TO SPEAK PLEASE FILL OUT YOUR FORM IMMEDIATELY. BECAUSE THE LAST CHANCE TO OFFER PUBLIC COMMENT. MR. GRANT.
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STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD SIR.>> MY NAME IS GRANT. RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER HERE.
>> THREE MINUTES. >> FIRST LET ME SET IT STRAIGHT. ROCK AND ROLL.
>> SIR, I APPRECIATE THE MOTION.
I WANT TO BE UPFRONT FOR THOSE PEOPLE.
THIS IS A WORKING-CLASS TOWN. A TOWN WHERE PEOPLE LIVE IN.
NOT AN ATTRACTION FOR TOURISTS. I KNOW A LOT THINK DOWNTOWN IS AN ATTRACTION THAT DRAWS TO REST.
REALLY A VIBRANT NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVING HERE. YOU KNOW FAMILY RAISING KIDS, THIS KIND OF TIME OF YEAR IT IS GOOD TO HAVE YOUR WINDOWS OPEN.
IT IS HARD TO DO THAT WHEN YOU HAVE NOISE COMING IN.
IT IS NOT ALL BAD, YOU KNOW I WILL GIVE YOU THAT BUT SOME IS LOUD. YOU KNOW AT NIGHTTIME, SOUND TRAVELS. SO THAT IS MY ONLY COMMENT.
YOU KNOW ANOTHER SIDE TO THIS. NOT ALL GOOD.
WHATEVER YOU GUYS DO, YOU NEED TO BE KEEPING IN CONSIDERATION THE FACT THIS IS A TOWN, THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD.
WHERE PEOPLE LIVE. NOT YOU KNOW FOR THE BENEFIT OF WHATEVER. COMMERCIAL INTERESTS.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. THAT CONCLUDES.
>> REALLY QUICK MR. MAYOR. YOUR LIGHT IS ON.
WANTED TO GIVE CLOSURE TO THE SECTION OF THE MEETING.
WHICH IS WHERE I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO CAME OUT TONIGHT. HASN'T BEEN A CROWD THIS BIG SINCE FELIX. APPRECIATE YOU GUYS COMING.
THE ACTION THAT WE TOOK AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, SO WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED FROM THIS. WE DIRECTED AN ORDINANCE TO BE VOTED ON APRIL 6, I AM OPTIMISTIC THAT THE SOLUTION WILL BENEFIT THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE HERE, MAKE THAT WORK AND BENEFIT THE BUSINESSES. SO THAT IS THE COMPROMISE THAT WE ARE WORKING TOWARD IS A COMMISSION.
MAKE SURE EVERYONE KNOWS. THANK YOU FOR COMING AND WE
[6. CONSENT AGENDA]
APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.
CONSENT AGENDA. ANY ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT COMMISSIONERS WISH TO APPROVE.
>> SECOND. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. DISCUSSION?
REDUCTION OF RENT, $2000 BASED ON THEM DOING IMPROVEMENTS.
SSURED THAT THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WILL IN FACT
HAPPEN, IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES, SIR.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU.
CITY CLERK PLEASE CALL THE VOTES.
[7.1 OPPOSING SENATE BILL 62]
ITEM 7.1 OPPOSING BILL 62. CITY ATTORNEY.>> A BILL THAT IS PENDING IN THE STATE LEGISLATOR.
I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER WANTS TO SPEAK ABOUT THE SPEED PROBABLY MUCH MORE DETAIL THAN I DO.
BASICALLY PLANNING COUNCILS THAT OUR COUNTY PARTICIPATE IN.
COUNTIES PAY DUES ANTICIPATE IN THE COUNCILS.
PROPOSAL IS TO NOT HAVE THE PLANNING COUNCILS BE MANDATORY INVITATION AND PRESERVATION BY COUNTIES.
BUT THAT YOU CAN OPT OUT AND NOT PARTICIPATE.
IT IS A PENDING BILL. I WILL SAY THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES DOES NOT APPROVE OR THEY OPPOSE THIS BILL BECAUSE IT DOES TAKE AWAY SOME OF OUR PLANNING TOOLS THAT WE HAVE WITH PLANNING COUNCILS. SO PARDON?
>> MOTION AND THE SECOND. GO TO DISCUSSION.
>> THE BILL DOES NOT TAKE AWAY THE ABILITY TO WITHDRAWAL.
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THE COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE TO BE A MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL.NOW, IN FACT CLAY COUNTY IS NOT A MEMBER, NOT PAID THEIR DUES IN FIVE YEARS PLUS. WHAT THE BILL DOES IS BASICALLY TAKE AWAY ANY AUTHORITY IN PLANNING FROM THE COUNCIL.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE COUNCIL IS ONE OF THE FEW THINGS, DEVASTATE AND DESTROY A COUNSEL WHICH PROVIDES MANY SERVICES WITHOUT GETTING INTO, I WAS ON THE COUNCIL FOR FIVE YEARS INCLUDING AS PRESIDENT. INTERESTING POINT WAS A YEAR AND ONE HALF AGO, THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE VOTED NOT TO PAY THEIR DUES. AFTER SOME DISCUSSION, THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE PAID THEIR DUES, NOW THE GREATEST SUPPORTER OF THE NORTHEAST COUNCIL IS THE CITY OF JACKSONVILLE. BECAUSE THEY RECOGNIZE WHAT IT PROVIDES. THEY ALSO PROVIDE, THE SERVICES FOR AN ECONOMIC PLANNING STAFF. SO I THINK THAT THIS WOULD DEVASTATE THEM, NOTHING IT PROVIDES, ISN'T REALLY COVERED IN THE BILL, IS THEY ARE MEDICAL, IN NORTHEAST 21 COUNTS. NOT COVERED IN THE BILL, LIKE A LOT OF BILLS DID NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT THIS.
UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. NOT MANDATORY TO ANY COUNTY PARTICIPATES, THEY CAN DROP OUT ANYTIME THEY DESIRE AS CLAY
COUNTY DID. >> THANK YOU FOR THAT.
>> THANK YOU. UPON FURTHER REVIEW LAST 24 HOURS, A NUMBER OF CALLS. I WILL VOTE YES ON THIS.
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> I WILL SAY ONE THING.NE MORE EXAMPLE OF THE AUTHORITY. THAT IS WHY I AM VOTING FOR IT.
BILL AFTER BILL AFTER BILL. THE STATE TALKS ABOUT STATES RIGHTS, LOCAL RATES. TAKING AWAY THE LOCAL FREEDOM AND LOCAL CONTROL, SHOULD BE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL NOT THE STATE
LEVEL. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. MADAME CLICK IF YOU WOULD CALL
THE VOTE PLEASE. >> VICE MAYOR.
THE MOTION PASSED 5-0. 7.2 AUDITOR SELECTION
[7.2 AUDITOR SELECTION COMMITTEE]
COMMITTEE. CITY MANAGER.>> THANK YOU. THE CONTRACT WITH OUR AUDITOR, EXPIRES THIS YEAR. IN THE NEXT SEVERAL WEEKS TO PRESENT THE 2019, 20 AUDIT. SO WE HAVE TO CONDUCT A SEARCH FOR NEW FIRM. STATE STATUTES CHANGE REGARDING THE COMPOSITION OF THE AUDIT COMMITTEE.
SO WE NEED AT LEAST ONE CITY COMMISSIONER, AT LEAST TWO OTHER RESIDENTS. PREFERABLY WITH FINANCIAL OR ACCOUNTING EXPERIENCE. THE RESOLUTION AS PROPOSED BY STAFF DOES INCLUDE COMMISSIONER ROSS.
PREVIOUSLY SERVED ON THE COMMITTEE.
INDICATED THAT IF ANYBODY ELSE IS WILLING TO STEP UP, GLADLY CONCEDE THAT A SEAT. I TOLD HIM I DO NOT EXPECT ANYBODY TO TAKE YOU UP ON YOUR OFFER.
THE OTHER TWO RESIDENTS, THE ONLY TWO RESIDENTS THAT HAVE SIMILAR APPLICATIONS TO SERVE OUR MR. DAVID AND MR. ROBERT.
I APOLOGIZE IF I CANNOT PRONOUNCE CORRECTLY.
APPLICATIONS WERE ATTACHED AS PART OF THE PACKAGE.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT YOU ADOPT THE RESOLUTION.
APPOINTING COMMISSIONER ROSS WHO WILL SERVE AS THE CHAIRMAN.
>> WASN'T THERE 1/3 PERSON? >> THERE WAS BUT UPON EXAMINATION STAFF OVERLOOKS THE FACT THAT SHE ACTUALLY IS NOT
THE CITY RESIDENTS. >> THANK YOU.
>> I FAILED TO DO THE DILIGENCE ON HER RESIDENCE.
>> RECOMMEND APPROVAL. >> SECOND.
>> A MOTION IN THE SECOND. DISCUSSION? ANYONE ELSE WANT TO STEP FORWARD AND SERVE ON THE COMMISSION ON THIS COMMITTEE OTHER THAN COMMISSIONER ROSS.
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>> YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ADD RIGHT?
>> IF I MAY JUMP IN, I THINK COMMISSIONER ROSS WILL DO AN EXCELLENT JOB. DO WE NEED 1/3 CITIZEN TO BE ON
THIS COMMITTEE? >> MINIMUM OF THREE MEMBERS ON
>> ACTUALLY WHEN WE STARTED HOPING WE WOULD GET FIVE, DESPITE SOME OF YOU MADE AN EFFORT, TO RECRUIT OTHER RESIDENTS TO DISSIPATE IN THIS, BUT THE STAFF RECEIVED NO OTHER APPLICATIONS OTHER THAN THE TWO THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU.
>> UNDERSTAND. IF I MAY ASK, WHEN WE APPROVE, THE FINAL COMMITTEE? WE ARE DONE.
>> THAT IS THE INTENT AT THIS TIME.
THIS IS I BELIEVE, PROVIDE ME, INFORMATION ABOUT WE WANT TO HAVE THIS COMMITTEE MEET NEXT WEEK.
BE READY TO GO OUT FOR REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS AS EARLY AS THE END OF THE MONTH.E ARE MOVING RAPIDLY WITH THIS.
>> UNDERSTAND. >> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION?
[7.3 BUDGET AMENDMENT - UTILITIES DEPARTMENT]
>> THAT MOTION PASSED. 7.3 BUDGET AMENDMENT UTILITIES
DEPARTMENT. >> SIMPLY TRANSFER.
CURRENT UTILITIES DIRECTOR, BELIEVES SOME FUNDS SHOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATELY ALLOCATED. O STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT YOU APPROVE THIS BUDGET TRANSFER.
>> RECOMMEND APPROVAL. >> SECOND.
>> A MOTION AND A SECOND. DISCUSSION? MADAME CLICK IF YOU CALL THE VOTE PLEASE.
>> YES. >> THAT MOTION PASSED 5-0.
[7.4 GRANT APPLICATION - FLORIDA INLAND NAVIGATION DISTRICT (FIND)]
7.4 GRANT APPLICATION FLORIDA INLAND NAVIGATION DISTRICT.>> THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. PART OF THE REQUEST.
TO SUPPORT GRANT APPLICATION FOR THE FLORIDA NAVIGATION DISTRICT. THE APPLICATION IS INTENDED TO SUPPORT, INSTALL 16, TO BRING THE FIELD AT THE MARINA TO 25.
TO PERFORM ADDITIONAL MAINTENANCE, I BELIEVE ALL, I SHARED A COPY OF THE CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE MANAGER, OASIS MARINA SPEED INDICATING THEIR SUPPORT.
DESIRE FOR ADDITIONAL, THE ADVISORY BOARD HAS MADE IT KNOWN THERE ARE SOME ISSUES AT THE SOUTH END OF THE MARINA.
THE CITY WILL PUT IN FOR MAXIMUM GRANT ALLOCATION BUT THE CITY WILL REQUIRED TO PROVIDE 50-50 MATCH.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THESE PROJECTS.
>> MOVE TO APPROVE. >> SECOND.
>> A MOTION AND A SECOND. DISCUSSION?
>> TOTALLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS. ALL TO REALIZE WHAT WE ARE COMMITTING TO. COMMITTING TO DREDGING, COMMITTING TO PROBABLY ABOUT BETWEEN FOUR AND A 600,000, COMMITTING TO GO AHEAD AND READ.
WHETHER MEASURE THE DEPTH AND FIGURE IT OUT.
GOING TO MOBILIZE A BIG PART OF THE DREDGING, COMMITTING TO THAT. SO JUST SO WE ARE AWARE OF WHAT
>> I AM SUPPORTING THIS. OMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. THE COMMITTEE, I AGREE WITH THEM. PROBABLY IN NOVEMBER.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> VICE MAYOR.
>> BASED ON THAT, HAVE TO SAY WHY ARE WE DOING MORE? ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT MONEY, YOU KNOW WE DON'T KNOW WITH ESTIMATES ARE, WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE PLAN.
BUT WHY IF WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER $400,000? DO FOR THEM. DEALING WITH MONEY, THAT SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING. SOMETHING ELSE WE DO ALL THE TIME, WITH GRANTS, REPURPOSE ALL THE TIME.
SO AS WE MOVE DOWN THE LINE, WE CAN SEE WHAT WE CAN DO.
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PROBABLY THE EASIEST, ALLOW US TO MOVE IT AROUND.WE DO IT ALL THE TIME. I SUPPORTED BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO KEEP OUR EYES OPEN WITH WHAT IS GOING TO BE BEST.
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> THANK YOU.
THEY ARE VERY NICE IN LETTING US, PREVIOUS GRANTS, ALL THOSE GRANTS FOR PLANNING, INVOLVEMENT.
DO NOT GO FORWARD WITH THE CONSTRUCTION, EVEN COSTING US MORE MONEY BECAUSE WE LOSING MONEY THAT WE HAVE ALREADY SPENT BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET TO TAKE IT BACK.
SO ACTUALLY A SMALL PART OF THIS.
MOSTLY DREDGES. THAT IS TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.
>> ALSO THE RECOMMENDATION OF OASIS.
GOING TO DO A GOOD JOB. >> I READ.
WHEN IN THIS ISSUE. DEFINITION OF DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN. EXPECTING A DIFFERENT RESULT.
DREDGING THE MARINA FOR OVER 20 YEARS.
I WOULD SAY THIS COMMISSION, THAT CONTINUING CONTINUAL DREDGING IS UNSUSTAINABLE TO A PROPHET, DOESN'T WORK.
WE CANNOT BE SPENDING 700, $800,000 EVERY TWO YEARS THEN TURN AROUND AND INSPECT THE MARINA TO MAKE A PROFIT.
THAT IS INSANITY. THE SOUTH END OF THE MARINA NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN BUILT. I THINK THAT IS VERY OBVIOUS.
AFTER 20 YEARS OF DOING THIS. ESSENTIALLY, THE HISTORY OF THE BEST ADVICE HAVE BEEN FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, GASES.
NO ONE REALLY KNOWS. BECAUSE THE RIVER CHANGES.
DYNAMICS CHANGE. SO AT SOME POINT, THIS COMMISSION IS GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION.
STOP THE INSANITY. THE WAY TO STOP THE INSANITY, COMMISSIONER KNOWS THIS WELL. IS MOVE IT TO THE NORTH.
MOVE IT TO THE NORTH, DECOMMISSION.
SO OUR EFFORTS SHOULD BE TOO STOP THE INSANITY.
GET THE CHANNEL DECOMMISSIONED. I SEE YOUR HAND UP SIR.
I WILL HAVE YOU SPEAK. THIS SPENDING OF MONEY, WE DREDGED IT TWO YEARS AGO. WHAT DID IT COST? 1.1. NOW TWO YEARS LATER, THE ESTIMATE IS NEARLY $700,000. WE WANT TO CUT TAXES.
BURDEN ON OUR TAXPAYERS. IT IS GOING IN A SINKHOLE.
FROM MY VIEWPOINT THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE.
STOP THE BLEEDING. I WILL PASS THIS BECAUSE OASIS IS IT IS A DANGER TO NAVIGATION OF THE BOATS, IN AND OUT.
BUT GOING FORWARD, WE NEED A SOLUTION.
TO END THE INSANITY OF DREDGING THAT IS SOUTH BASIN.
MR. GEORGE. >> PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND
ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. >> CITY ENGINEER.
I AM GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. I HAD YEARS, DECADES OF EXPERIENCE WITH DREDGING. I CAN TELL YOU YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THE INSANITY. BUT EVERY MARINA, EVERY HARBOR, GOES THROUGH THIS. YOU ARE NOT UNIQUE TO THIS SITUATION. THE PROBLEM IS AS YOU STATE, THE LOCATION OF THE MARINA IS ADVERSE TO THE WEIGHT OF THE CURRENT FLOW. AS YOU KNOW, TIDES CARRY THE DEPOSIT. PART OF THAT PROBLEM IS JUST THE CONFIGURATION OF THE MARINA.
THE DEPTH OF THE RIVER OUT IN THE CHANNEL AS OPPOSED TO THE SHORE. THE LOCATION OF THE PIER HEAD, BLOCKS THE FLOW. DREDGING IS PAINFUL.
YOU DON'T GET MUCH RETURN. OTHER METHODS THAT I WANT TO EXPLORE, I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
25 YEARS AGO A BULKHEAD ON THE SOUTHERN END OF THAT.
WHAT THAT DID, STOPPED THAT SEDIMENT FROM GETTING INTO THE BASIN. IT WAS TAKEN OUT, TAKEN OUT BY A FRIEND OF MINE IN THE MARINA. WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT AGAIN.
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IT MAY NOT WORK BUT OTHER TECHNOLOGIES OUT THERE AS FAR AS SUBMERGED AERATION, TUBING THAT BLOWS, THAT LETS AGO.I THINK WE NEED TO ADD LEAST LOOK AT THOSE SO WE DON'T CONTINUE THE INSANITY. THE PROBLEM IS, IN GENERAL, TECHNOLOGY AND THE ENGINEERING HAS NOT CHANGED SIGNIFICANTLY ENOUGH TO KEEP FROM HAVING TO DO DREDGING.
WHICH YOU TRY TO DO IS PROLONG THE RECYCLE OF EVENTS OF THE DREDGING. THAT IS WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK
AT. >> THE LAST TIME WE HAD TO
DREDGE? >> IT HAS BEEN A WHILE.
THE REASON FOR THAT ¦ >> COMMISSIONER.
>> THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE IS NEVER.
>> CORRECT. >> THAT IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. GO AHEAD.
>> IT HAS BEEN A LONG TIME. THE ISSUE IS, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T GET THE SEDIMENTS TO IT BECAUSE THE SOUTHERN BASIN IS THE TRAP. SO LOOK AT IS THERE WAYS TO RELOCATE THAT TRAP SO IT DOESN'T AFFECT? I COULD BE TOTALLY OUT ON THIS, DONE THOSE IN OTHER AREAS WHERE IT HAS WORKED. YOU HAVE TO THE SCIENCE, THE ANALYSIS TO DETERMINE IF THIS IS FEASIBLE.
IF YOU CAN DO THAT, THE MONEY YOU'RE SPENDING COULD BE DONE AT A ONE-TIME BASIS ON THIS ANALOGY OR SOME OTHER TECHNOLOGY TO KEEP YOU FROM HAVING THAT RECURRING COST.
JUST MY THOUGHTS ON IT. >> I APPRECIATE THAT.
AGAIN MY CONCERN IS, WE ARE GUESSING.
NO ONE KNOWS, ANOTHER GAS. WHEN WE KNOW THAT THE NORTH DOESN'T, AS YOU SAID, THAT SILT DOES NOT BUILD UP THERE.
MOVE IT NORTH. THIS IS A FATAL WOUND TO TRY TO
MAKE THE MARINA EVEN BREAKEVEN. >> TWO TYPES OF MARINAS.
WHEN YOU JUST SAY MOVE THE MARINA NORTH, WE JUST SPENT $10 MILLION PUTTING IN MARINA. NOT A DANGER TO NAVIGATION.
NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PUT BOATS IN THERE.
NOT A DANGER. OUT OF BUSINESS.
SO CONTINUE TO USE MARINA, AS THEY DO IN MARINAS EVERYWHERE ELSE, YOU HAVE TO DREDGE. YOU NEED TO HAVE WAYS OF MITIGATING THAT. I AGREE WITH YOU.
WAYS YOU CAN REDIRECT THE RIVER.
A LOT OF THINGS OUT THERE. BUT I THINK SAYING IN THE NEXT FUTURE, GOING TO SPEND ANOTHER $5 MILLION AND BUILD SOMETHING TO THE NORTH, UNREALISTIC. THAT IS WHAT I THINK.
>> APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTS. VICE MAYOR.
>> I THINK CHARLIE HAS EXCELLENT POINTS.
ONE OF THE THINGS, WE TRIED TO REALIGN THE DOTS.
DID NOT QUITE WORK. YOU KNOW WE ACTUALLY HAVE A GRANT OF 1.5, DIFFERENT THINGS OCCURRED.
THE MONEY OCCURRED. SO I THINK THE APPROACH OF WHERE YOU LOOKING AT, IS THE RIGHT WAY TO LOOK AT IT.
TO LOOK AT IT SERIOUSLY. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE EVER LOOKED AT IT SERIOUSLY WITH AN ENGINEER.
>> A LOT OF WORK AT HARBOR TOWN.
PUTTING THAT SEDIMENT TRAP ON THE SOUTH EDGE TO KEEP IT, THE CHANNEL KEPT GETTING FILLED IN. LOW TIDE FOR A LONG TIME, PUT THAT TRAP OUT THERE, IT CATCHES OUT THERE, THE ENVIRONMENT.
ON THAT UPSTREAM SIDE OF A BULKHEAD WALL.O SOME BENEFITS TO IT. MATTER OF ORIENTATION.
THE THEORIES OF THE TRANSPORT AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
>> WHAT IS THE COST OF A SEDIMENT TRAP?
BALLPARK. >> PROBABLY ABOUT, IN MY THOUGHTS, LOOKING AT IT, SOMETHING IN THE RANGE OF 200
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FEET. SO IT WOULD BE $500,000.ONE TIME DEAL. >> THAN ONE OTHER THING, VICE MAYOR MENTIONED ABOUT THE COST OF THE MOURNING BUOYS, THE THING IS GET THE REVENUE. THERE IS A RENTAL.
YOU DO GET SOME CAPTURE OF THAT COST INITIALLY.
>> HANG ON. COMMISSIONER ROSS.
>> POINT OUT WHEN WE REALIGN THE MARINA.
YOU SAID IT DID NOT WORK. YOU DON'T KNOW.
SO IT WAS PUT IN PARALLEL. I THINK THAT HAS IMPROVED THINGS. YOU ARE RIGHT.
MOTHER NATURE. YOU CAN MAKE ESTIMATES BUT YOU
DON'T KNOW. >> CHRISTMAS ARRANGEMENT YOU HAD AT THE DOCKS PRIOR, DEFINITELY EXASPERATING THE ISSUES.HE WAY YOU HAVE IT NOW, ABOUT AS GOOD AS YOU CAN GET BASED ON THE CONFIGURATION OF THE SHORE.
THE LOCATION. THE CURRENT VELOCITY GOING OUT.
>> DO YOU HAVE A COMMENT? >> IT IS STUDYING.
SO I FORGOT ABOUT THAT. >> COMMISSIONER.
>> THANK YOU. OBVIOUSLY IF WE CAN PUT A MARINA AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION, THAT WOULD BE OPTIMAL.
MOVE IT OVER A THOUSAND FEET TO THE NORTH, EVERYTHING WOULD BE GREAT BECAUSE THE CURRENT RUNS REALLY FAST AND IT IS SUPER DEEP. THAT IS NOT REALITY.
SO ULTIMATELY WHETHER WE EXPAND OR WHATEVER WE DO, I THINK PROCEEDING FOR NOW IS THE RIGHT PROCEDURE.
THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY. >> COMMISSIONER.
>> SIMILAR SENTIMENTS. RIGHT NOW THIS IS FREE MONEY WE CANNOT TURN DOWN. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE PAY FOR OUR FUTURE WITH THIS. ALL FOUR LOOKING FOR SOLUTIONS MOVING FORWARD. SHORT-TERM WE NEED TO TAKE THIS GRANT.> OKAY. I WILL MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THAT. NOT ALL OF WHICH IS GOING TO GO TO DREDGING. OASIS ESTIMATED THE DREDGING WOULD COST $670,000. 125, 670, ONE HALF A MILLION THAT WE HAVE TO PAY. SO MONEY IS A GRANT, WE ALWAYS FIND OURSELVES, ONE FOR ONE MATCH, SO NOTHING IS EVER FREE.
THEN SECOND, WE NEED MORE MONEY.
THE LAST POINT I WILL MAKE, DID YOU ALL READ THE OASIS LETTER? THEY LOST ONE FOOT OF DEPTH IN THE PAST 90 DAYS.
NOT A YEAR, NOT 18 MONTHS, PAST THREE MONTHS.
THEY HAVE BEEN MEASURING IT EVERY DAY.
SO THAT IS WHY I AM ADAMANT ABOUT THIS.
BECAUSE COMMISSIONER, YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ON THIS FORM ABOUT NOT RAISING TAXES. AS I SAID, DREDGES, SPENDING 700 GRAND, BUILDING INTO THAT PROFIT MODEL OF A MARINA, NEVER GOING TO BE PROFITABLE. A SINGLE.
SO I WILL LEAVE IT AT THAT. ANYMORE COMMENTS? MADAME CLERK IF YOU WILL HOLD A VOTE PLEASE.
[8.1 CODE AMENDMENT - PARADES]
8.1. CODE AMENDMENT PARADES.>> TABLE TO THE NEXT MEETING. >> I SECOND PUT A MOTION.
>> SHAKING YOUR HEAD. >> THE DATE.
>> FIRST MEETING IN MAY.>> OKAY.
>> A MOTION TO TABLE, TO POSTPONE.
TO THE FIRST MEETING IN MAY. >> SIX MAY.
>> A MOTION AND A SECOND. MAKE SURE THAT MY CITY CLERK IS CAUGHT UP. OKAY.
PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> COMMISSIONER.
[9.1 LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT - DRIVEWAY STANDARDS]
ORDINANCE ITEM 9.1. LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT. DRIVEWAY STANDARDS.[02:10:01]
>> ORGANS 2021 Ã04. COMMISSION, AMENDING THE CODE SECTION 7.01.01 TO ALLOW FOR THE USE OF PAVERS IN A CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY IS WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY.
PROVIDING DESIRABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. PLEASE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. ANYONE WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? HEARING ON, PUBLIC HEARING IS
>> A MOTION AND A SECOND. >> DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE, IF YOU COULD CALL THE VOTE PLEASE.
[9.2 FY 20/21 AMENDED PAY AND CLASSIFICATION PLAN - ADD CITY ENGINEER AND GOLF COURSE STAFF]
THAT PAST 5-0. 9.2 AMENDED PAY AND CLASSIFICATION PLAN, ADD ENGINEER AND GOLF COURSE STAFF.>> ORDINANCE Ã05, ESTABLISHING AMENDED PAY AND CLASSIFICATION PLAN FOR FISCAL YEAR 2020, 2021 PURSUANT TO SECTION 120 OF THE CHARTER, OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY.
PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. PLEASE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
>> PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK? HEARING NO ONE. PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
>> RECOMMEND APPROVAL. >> I SECOND.
>> A MOTION IN THE SECOND. DISCUSSION? SEEING NONE. MADAME CLERK CALLED THE VOTE
[9.3 CODE AMENDMENT - TECHNICAL CODES]
>> 9.3 CODE AMENDMENT TECHNICAL CODES.
>> THE CITY OF COMMISSION, AMENDING CHAPTER 22 BUILDINGS AND BUILD REGULATIONS BY AMENDING SECTION 22 Ã26 LOCATE THE ADDITIONS OF CODES REFERENCE, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
PLEASE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN, AND HE PUBLIC COMMENT? NO ONE.
PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. >> RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
>> SECOND. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND.
>> SEEING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.
[9.4 CODE AMENDMENT - FACILITY NAMING POLICY]
CODE AMENDMENT FACILITY NAMING POLICY.
>> ORDINANCE Ã08, OF THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH, FLORIDA AMENDING THE CODE OF THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH BY AMENDING CHAPTER 65, SPECIAL EVENTS BY CREATING ARTICLE 4, CITY-OWNED POLICY, SECTION 51 AND 10, 52 DEFINITIONS, SECTION 53, ADOPTION, 54 NAMING REGULATIONS, PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.
PLEASE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. >> PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.
>> ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? FACILITY NAMING. SEEING NO ONE, PUBLIC HEARING
IS CLOSED. >> RECOMMEND APPROVAL.
>> SECOND. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND.
>> THANK YOU. ANOTHER COMMISSIONER HAS THE TAGLINE, HOW MUCH WILL THIS COST.
BEGIN TO SEE DO WE NEED THIS? WHAT THIS DOES, ADD FIVE NEW PAGES OF LAW TO OUR BOOKS. DICKENS OUR LAWS, I DON'T BELIEVE IT IS NECESSARY. EXISTED THIS FAR WITHOUT AN ORDINANCE. SUCCESSFULLY NAMED OUR PLACES AND OUR CITY JUST FINE. I BELIEVE THAT WHY MESS WITH A GOOD THING? WHY AND LAWS THAT I DON'T BELIEVE WE NEED. I WILL BE VOTING NO.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NONE, MADAME CLERK IF
YOU WOULD CALL THE VOTE PLEASE. >> YES.
[10.1 E-BIKE SPEED LIMIT]
ITEM 10.1 BIKE SPEED LIMIT. >> THE CITY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH, AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES
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BY AMENDING CHAPTER 78, TRAFFIC AND VEHICLES, ARTICLE 1 IN GENERAL BY AMENDING SECTION 1 DEFINITIONS TO INCLUDE ELECTRIC BICYCLES BY AMENDING ARTICLE 2 OPERATION OF VEHICLES, BY MANY SECTION 41 TO INCLUDE A SPEED LIMIT ON THE SIDEWALKS, TRAILS AND PASS, AND MANY SECTIONS ONE, THREE THROUGH EIGHT, 41 THROUGH 45 TO EDIT FOR CLARITY WITHOUT CHANGING THE MEANING PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY AND PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE. AS YOU REMEMBER FROM SECOND READING, LAST MONTH THIS ORDINANCE NOW PROVIDES A SPEED LIMIT FOR ANY BICYCLES. E BICYCLES.OR OTHER BICYCLES WITHOUT MOTORS.
210 MILES PER HOUR. CONTRAILS, BIKE PATHS AND
SIDEWALKS. >> A PUBLIC HEARING.
>> AT 30 READING. >> OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
I DO HAVE TWO SPEAKERS. ON THIS.
MISS CANDACE WHITNEY. >> DO WE NEED A MOTION FIRST?
>> GENERALLY THE MAYOR DOES ASK FOR THAT.
IN THE MEANTIME DO I HAVE A MOTION?
>> ALL CLASSES ON THE GREENWAY. > SAY THAT AGAIN PLEASE.
>> A MOTION THAT WE PROVE WITH THE INCLUSION THAT E BIKES, CLASS I, TO AND THREE PERMITTED ON THE GREENWAY.
>> SECOND THAT MOTION. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> CANDACE WHITNEY.
CITY OF FERNANDINA, CURRENTLY NO MOTORIZED VEHICLES.
ON THE GREENWAY. THEN THE STATE OF FLORIDA CAME IN AND SAID, THAT IT HAD CONSIDER E BIKES TO BE MOTORIZED. BUT THAT DESIGNATION COULD BE THE DECISION OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
SO OBVIOUSLY UP TO YOU ALL. SO IN THIS CURRENT ORDINANCE CHANGE, UNDER THE DEFINITIONS THE NEW LAST LINE READS, THE TERM BICYCLE INCLUDE ELECTRIC BICYCLES.
THAT IS WHERE WE ARE. SO TO DATE, E BIKES EXCLUDED FROM THE GREENWAY. LIKE TO SEE HIM STAY THAT WAY.
THE MAJORITY OF THAT E BIKES WANTING TO USE THE GREENWAY ARE RENTAL BIKES. WHICH BRINGS US A LOT OF NEW RIDERS, MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE EXPERIENCE RIDING.
TWISTS AND TURNS. KATHY, IS OUR FRONT LINE PERSON. ON THE GREENWAY DEALING WITH ERRATIC RIDERS, AS WELL AS TRAIL MAINTENANCE, WASHOUTS, CORNERS, ALL OF WHICH ARE AS CITY LIABILITY.
SAFETY CONCERNS. THEN THE IMPACT OF THE BIKES ON OUR ECOSYSTEM. KATHY, SECURITY OF OUR STAR ATTRACTION. SO ALREADY A LOT OF MANAGEMENT ON THE GREENWAY, A LOT MORE THAN I KNOW OF.
WITHOUT THE ADDITION OF E BIKES.
MANY OTHER OPTIONS ON THIS ISLAND FOR E BIKES AND A NICE GOLF CART FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE UNABLE, WHO HAVE SPECIAL NEEDS.
SO WE DON'T NEED TO ALLOW ANY MOTORIZED CONVENIENCES ON THE GREENWAY. INCLUDING E BIKES, ELECTRIC SKATEBOARDS. HOWEVER BOARDS WHICH WE ARE SEEING ON A REGULAR BASIS ON THE GREENWAY.
SO LET'S SAVE OUR GREENWAY FOR OUR BIRDS AND WILDLIFE.
GENTLE BIKE RIDERS AND ALL REQUIRED WALKS IN NATURE.
>> YES, SIR. >> NO WORRIES, SIR.
>> PARDON MY SHIRT. DO NOT REALIZE.
>> YOU ARE FINE, SIR. >> IT IS FERNANDINA.
>> STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. THANK YOU.
>> MY NAME IS JOHN. 2166 NATURE'S GATE COURT NORTH FERNANDINA. I AM 55 YEAR RESIDENT OF THE CITY. THAT IS A BUNCH.
MOST OF THE TIME SINCE THE GREENWAY, BEEN A VOLUNTEER FOR THE GREENWAY. I HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF YOU GUYS OUT THERE. TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH.
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GREENWAY OPENED ABOUT 2020. NOT 20.20 YEARS AGO. BUT I THOUGHT ABOUT IT, I SAID WELL I AM NOT GOING TO ASK A QUESTION, THE LAST TIME ANY OF YOU WERE ON THE GREENWAY? LESS THAN ONE YEAR?
>> THREE DAYS AGO. >> EVERY DAY?
>> TWO WEEKS AGO. >> FRIDAY OF LAST WEEK.
>> IT HAS BEEN A WHILE. >> BETTER THAN I EXPECTED.
OKAY. LAST TIME I WAS ON THE GREENWAY, WAS A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO I WAS WORKING WITH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY TRYING TO GET WORK DONE.
I WAS DOING SOME WORK ON THE EDGE OF THE DITCH WHICH IS PART OF THE GREENWAY. I WAS BUZZED BY FOUR PEOPLE, THEY WERE NOT YOUNG. BUT THEY WERE QUICK.
THEY WERE QUIET. I HAD NO IDEA THEY WERE THERE.
UNTIL ONE OF THE YOUNG LADIES SQUEALED AS SHE WENT BEHIND ME.
ALMOST FEEL THE BIKE CATCH MY PANTS.
FOR ME, I AM A FORRESTER. WHEN I CAME HERE FROM VIRGINIA I CAME AS A FORRESTER. I HAVE FOUND THAT SILENCE IS GOLDEN. EXCEPT WHEN YOU'RE WALKING UP BEHIND SOMEBODY. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, I THINK THAT ALLOWING THIS TO HAPPEN AND ALLOWING E BIKES ALONG THE GREENWAY IS JUST ASKING FOR TROUBLE.
I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER WAY AROUND IT.
SOMEBODY IS GOING TO TAKE A STICK TO SOMEBODY ARE GOING TO PUSH SOMEBODY. THEN GOING TO END UP BEING A NASTY LITTLE PROBLEM. FOR THE CITY COMMISSION.
OTHER THAN THAT, HAVE I RUN OUT OF TIME?
>> I AM SORRY. I WAS TAKING YOUR TIME.
>> RESET THE CLOCK. >> ANYHOW, IT IS FOR ME, I AM THE HIGHEST OF THE WORK. THE ANIMALS DO NOT STAND A CHANCE. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> APPRECIATE IT.
>> ALL RIGHT A MOTION SECOND. I SEE VICE MAYOR YOU LIGHT IS
ON. >> WELL BY ACCIDENT, I MADE THIS CASE. IN FACT I WAS ON THE GREENWAY TODAY. ALMOST EVERY DAY USUALLY ONCE OR TWICE. I BELIEVE A CROWN JEWEL WE NEED TO PROTECT. E BIKES ARE CREATING A BIGGER HAZARD, BICYCLES THEMSELVES INCLUDED IN THE MASTER PLAN.
YOU KNOW REMEMBER THEY CUT THE BIKE TRAILS, MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS, THEY ARE THERE. I THINK A LONGER PROCESS.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAVE THE GREENWAY, REMINDED THOSE THAT GO, LOOK AT ALL THOSE TRAILS.
PARTICULARLY THE SOUTH END ALREADY GETTING DESTROYED.
GOES THROUGH THE FOREST. ENVIRONMENTALLY, WE HAVE ACTUALLY, I THINK I SHOWED MIKE, A PICTURE OF AN ALLIGATOR TODAY. THREE FOOT ALLIGATOR BY THE POND, TWO FEET OFF THE TRAIL. THAT GUY DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE.
SO I JUST THINK YOU KNOW WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.
>> SO WHEN THE GREENWAY DEVELOPED MANY YEARS AGO, GRANT MONEY PREDICATED ON HAVING BICYCLES.
SO THAT IS IN THERE. BICYCLES PART OF THE GREENWAY.
WE TOOK MONEY INTO THAT. SINCE THAT TIME, NO MOTORIZED PUBLIC VEHICLES ALLOWED IN THE GREENWAY.
FAST-FORWARD A NUMBER OF YEARS, STATE OF FLORIDA LEGISLATED E BIKES ARE STILL BICYCLES, NOT JUST BICYCLE.
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A DEFINITION FOR BICYCLES. A DEFINITION FOR E BIKES.A MOTORIZED BICYCLE. NOT A BICYCLE.
SECTION 1811 IN THE COURT OF ORDINANCE, STATES THE USE OF ELECTRIC BIKES DEFINED BY FLORIDA STATUTE PROVIDED ON COUNTY SIDE WAS, MULTIPATH TRAILS, BICYCLE PATHS AND NETWORKS. THE COUNTY, EXCEPTION PURSUANT TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA. SO THE COUNTY, WE TALKED ABOUT WORKING WITH THE COUNTY. THE COUNTY BANDS E BIKES ON THE TRAILS. SO CURRENTLY THREE BUCKETS OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE GOT EMAILS FROM AND PHONE CALLS.
ALL BIKES AT THE GREENWAY. NO BIKES.
SECOND BUCKET, BICYCLES ARE OKAY BUT NO E BIKES.THE THIRD BUCKET, WHATEVER GOES GOES. E BIKES, BICYCLES.
WHATEVER. THE FIRST BUCKET, THEY ALL MAKE GOOD ARGUMENTS ON ALL OF THEIR SIZE.
SO WHY THEIR SITE IS RIGHT AND THE OTHERS ARE WRONG.
THEY MAKE GOOD ARGUMENTS. TO ME, DILEMMA I CANNOT SOLVE.
SO I WENT TO THE GREENWAY AND FOUND OUT BICYCLE TRAILS ARE GOING TO BE ALLOWED. BASICALLY SAID, OKAY, TALK TO THE PEOPLE WHO RUN THE GREENWAY.
KATHY. I SAID, I MADE UP MY MIND THIS MORNING. BECAUSE I SAID, WE GOT AN EMAIL TODAY FROM KATHY. BASICALLY SHE WROTE A NICE EMAIL. QUITE LONG BUT READ THE LAST PARAGRAPH. WHICH SAYS MY FEELINGS, THE LADY THAT HAS RUN THE GREENWAY. PROBABLY KNOWS A BETTER THAN ANYBODY. THE FEELING OF PEDESTRIANS, THE MAJORITY ENJOYED THE GREENWAY, YES E BIKES SHOULD CONTINUE TO BE EXCLUDED AS THEY HAPPEN. TO THE ISSUE CAME UP RECENTLY.
SO OUR MANAGER, EVERYBODY SAYS PFOLLOW STAFF SUGGESTIONS, OUR STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE PERSON MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT THE GREENWAY IS RECOMMENDED THAT WE NOT HAVE E BIKES.
THAT IS WHY I AM GOING TO SUPPORT THIS.
IF YOU WANT TO AMENDED, SO BICYCLES ADDED PURSUANT TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA. I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO THAT.
COHERENT WITH THE COUNTY. >> THANK YOU, SIR.
>> THANK YOU. I KNOW THE GREENWAY WELL.
I GREW UP HERE. THE GREENWAY IS PART OF MY OWN.
THE GREENWAY IS WHERE WE RAN OUR CROSS-COUNTRY CHAMPION.
THE GREENWAY IS AGAIN, I WAS THERE LAST WEEK.
LOOKING WITH OUR LOCAL ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE CLASS.
ISSUES ABOUT FECAL MATTER IN THE WATER.
THE GREENWAY IS IMPORTANT TO ME, FOR THAT REASON, THAT IS WHY I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS. EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN WAY TO DISSIPATE IN RECREATION. PEOPLE WHO ENJOY WALKING, PEOPLE WHO ENJOY BIKES, PEOPLE WHO ENJY E BIKES.
REGARDLESS OF WHICHEVER WAY YOU CHOOSE TO PRACTICE RECREATION, WE HAVE TO LIVE IN HARMONY. WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER ON THIS. I FULLY THINKING THIS IS THE CLASSIC BAIT AND SWITCH. LAST MEETING WHEN WE SAW THIS, PEOPLE TURN OUT AGAINST BANNING ELECTRIC BIKES.
THE OLD PEOPLE OR THE ELDERLY FOLKS WHO CANNOT PEDDLE, THEY NEEDED THAT ASSISTANCE ON THE GREENWAY.
IT DOESN'T MATTER, WHAT MATTERS IS WE HAVE PEOPLE GETTING OUTSIDE. ENJOYING NATURE.
WHICH ANY WAY THEY SEE FIT. THE BIGGEST SWITCH I SEE, WE TOLD EVERYONE WE WOULD HAVE A COMPROMISE.
WE WOULD LIMIT THE SPEED. THE PEOPLE ACCEPTED THE COMPROMISE. THIS WEEK AND NOW WE ARE BACK, NOW THAT WE ARE BACK WE'RE GOING TO UNDO OUR COMPROMISE.
THE PEOPLE WHO WERE HERE, GOING TO BE UPSET TO HEAR WE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS. IF WE DO MANAGE, IF WE APPROVE THIS AMENDMENT IT WILL HAVE TO GO TO 1/4 READING.
THE FOURTH WILL OCCUR ON MY EIGHTH MEETING AS A CITY COMMISSIONER. SO 40 PERCENT TALKING ABOUT E
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BIKES YES, SIR NO. I THINK BECAUSE IT IS A BAD LAW.TRYING TO RESTRICT PEOPLE'S FREEDOMS. I BELIEVE THIS IS SHADY GOVERNMENT.FOLLOW-UP ON OUR COMPROMISE THAT WE MADE.
>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> THANK YOU.
AGREE WITH BRADLEY. DIFFERENT SCENARIOS OF THE GREENWAY. I HAVE BEEN OUT IN THE GREENWAY. I LIVE NEXT TO THE GREENWAY.
I CANNOT REGULATE THE PEOPLE OTHER THAN THE SPEED AND MONITOR DETERIORATION OF THE GREENWAY.
I UNDERSTAND THERE COULD BE SAFETY ISSUES.
COULD BE SAFETY CONCERNS BUT THE MAIN REASON THAT LYNN BROUGHT THIS UP, DETERIORATION OF THE GREENWAY.
THEN REMEMBER THAT DIRECTLY MONTHS AGO, ONE OF OUR FIRST MEETINGS. I THOUGHT WE DID COME TO A COMPROMISE. I AM ALMOST MIRRORING WHAT HE SAYS. I THOUGHT THAT IS WHAT WE VOTED TO APPROVE THIS WITH THE SPEED LIMIT.
JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE. HOW CAN YOU DETERMINE IF ELECTRIC OR SOMEBODY PEDDLING, AS AMIR STATED, HE GOES MUCH FASTER THAN 10 MILES PER HOUR IN THE GREENWAY OR WHEREVER ELSE ON HIS POWERED BICYCLE. SO I DON'T SEE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A POLICE OFFICER STANDING IN THE GREENWAY.
THIS IS WHAT I SAID TO MYSELF 20 TIMES TALKING ABOUT THIS.
WITH DIFFERENT CONSTITUENTS AND PEOPLE, WHO IS GOING TO BE OUT THERE REGULATING THIS SPEED LIMIT? SO I THINK LET IT LIVE, THAT IS MY TWO CENTS.
>> THE REASON THIS WAS BROUGHT UP, ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERN WHICH I BELIEVE THE PEOPLE OF FERNANDINA BEACH, A PLACE FOR PEOPLE AND WILDLIFE. WILDLIFE WILL BE GONE.
SO PEOPLE CAN RIDE THEIR E BIKES.
TIMES HAVE CHANGED, YOU GO THERE, I AM OUT THERE EVERY DAY. AT LEAST ONCE NORMALLY.
I CAN SEE THE DESTRUCTION IN THE WILDLIFE.
USED TO WALK OUT THERE AND SEE, ANIMALS ALL OVER.
BEGINNING TO BE GONE. THAT IS WHY THE CITY PURCHASED THAT. NOT TO BE YOU KNOW ÃLET'S PAVE IT. BECAUSE IT IS EASIER.
ENVIRONMENTAL SAFETY IS A MAJOR ISSUE OUT THERE.
BROUGHT UP BY OTHER PEOPLE. BUT THAT IS IT.
WE WILL ÃTHAT IS THE REASON I BROUGHT IT UP.
THAT IS WHAT IT IS. I THINK WE MAKE A MISTAKE IF WE DON'T. THE COMMISSION'S DECISION YOU
KNOW. >> AND THE OTHER COMMENTS?
>> I WILL ADD MINE. I AM CONCERNED COMMISSIONER, A GOOD POINT ABOUT THE SWITCH. SO I DON'T LIKE BAIT AND SWITCH, DO NOT LIKE SOMETHING AT THE LAST MINUTE.
WITHOUT PROVIDING PUBLIC INPUT ON THAT.
BUT I ALSO AM CONCERNED. >> IF THIS MOTION IS APPROVED TONIGHT, THIS ORDINANCE HAS COME BACK FOR ANOTHER HEARING,
PUBLIC HEARING.> OKAY. >> DOESN'T GET TO GET PAST
>> ADVERTISING IN THE NEWSPAPER FOR THE NEXT MEETING.
>> CONCERNED ABOUT HOW GOVERNMENT OPERATES, NOT GIVING THE PUBLIC FAIR NOTICE. SO WHILE I WILL SUPPORT THIS, I THINK BY HAVING 1/4 READING, HAVE PUBLIC NOTICE SO WE AVOID THE SWITCH. BUT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT COIN, THIS IS ECOLOGY. THIS IS UNNATURAL ENVIRONMENT THAT VOTERS SPEND MONEY TO PRESERVE.
ALL BEEN OUT AT THE GREENWAY, THE ELECTRIC CARTS THE CITY USES, IN FEBRUARY WHEN IT WAS WET, THE CART WAS DOING SOME DAMAGE. I THINK ANYBODY OUT THERE AT THAT TIME COULD SEE IT. IT WAS EVEN DIFFICULT TO WALK THE TRAIL THROUGH THE RIGHTS OF THE ELECTRIC CART.
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THIS IS A TREASURE OF THE ISLAND.WAS NOT DESTROYED BECAUSE WHEN IT IS GONE IT IS GONE.
SO LET'S HAVE OUR PUBLIC INPUT AGAIN.
SO I WILL SUPPORT THIS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
>> PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> YES.
[11.1 FERNANDINA BEACH HOUSING AUTHORITY]
>> MOTION PASSED 3-2. ON TWO BOARD APPOINTMENTS.
HOUSING AUTHORITY. >> OF POINT ROBERTS.
>> SECOND. >> A MOTION AND THE SECOND.
MADAME CLERK CALLED THE VOTE. >> YES.
[12. CITY MANAGER REPORTS]
>> THE MOTION PASSED. CITY MANAGER REPORTS.
>> THANK YOU. RECEIVED AN EMAIL, ONLY ONE.
BUT REQUESTING, INDICATED I WOULD COME TO YOU FOR DIRECTION. CONTINUE DISPLAY OF THE MASK UP BANNER OVER H STREET AT CENTER STREET.
THE QUESTION BECOMES AS WE BEGIN TO OPEN, DO WE WANT TO LEAVE THAT BANNER UP? MY RESPONSE, MY FIRST RESPONSE TO THE AUTHOR WAS, THE COMMISSION HAS ADOPTED A MANDATORY MASK ORDINANCE, CONTINUED TO ADOPT THAT.
I WILL BRING IT UP AT THE MEETING.
I KNOW I'VE SCHEDULED TO MEET WITH SEVERAL OF YOU OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT SEVERAL DAYS.
BUT DO WE WANT TO KEEP THAT BANNER OUT.
SO I WILL GET THE DIRECTION FROM ALL OF YOU.
TAKE A LOOK AT THE BANNER. BUT AGAIN RECEIVED ONE EMAIL REQUEST SAYING WITH THE CITY CONSIDER TAKING THAT BANNER DOWN. DOES THAT SEND THE RIGHT MESSAGE. SO JUST APPRECIATE THE
DIRECTION ON THAT. >> WOULD YOU LIKE US TO DISCUSS
DISCUSS IT ON INDIVIDUAL BASIS WITH ME, THAT IS FINE.
>> I THINK INDIVIDUAL IS FINE. >> PLEASE PROCEED.
HE IS WORKING TO COMPLETE HIS ASSESSMENT OF THE SEASIDE ANIMALIA WALKWAY. HOPEFULLY SOMETHING TO YOU FOR THAT SHORTLY. IF YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED, BRAND-NEW MOUSEPADS. THOSE ARE COURTESY OF MS. CINDY. FACILITATED THE WORKSHOP.
SO NOW A VISIBLE PERMANENT REMINDER UNTIL YOU THROW THE PAD AWAY. REMINDER OF THE GOALS THAT YOU ADOPTED IN RESOLUTION 2021 Ã 20.
THE NEXT IS MARCH 30 WHEN WE WILL PRESENT TO YOU THE FACILITY INVENTORY, ACTUALLY SENT YOU A DRAFT BY THE END OF THIS WEEK PROBABLY IS PART OF FRIDAY.
TO SLOTTED FEEDBACK TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN YOU GET THE FINAL EFFORT FROM STAFF, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK TO REACH US. SO THAT IS THE NEXT GOAL ON YOUR LIST. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO SHARING THAT WITH YOU. TAKING THE LEAD ON A STAFF SUPPORT FOR THAT GOAL. PENDING ANY QUESTIONS THAT IS
ALL I HAVE FOR THE CITY. >> THE GOLF COURSE RFP.
>> WITH REGARD, SINCE THE CITY DOES PLAN ON MAKING A SUBMISSION, TO OPERATE THE GOLF COURSE, I AM TRYING TO SEPARATE MY INVOLVEMENT FROM THE DRAFTING AND ANY EFFORT ON THAT RFP, ASKED THE CITY ATTORNEY WITH OTHER STAFF TO PREPARE THAT. SO IN OTHER GOVERNMENTS, A PERCEPTION THAT YOU ARE DRAFTING, YOU ARE GOING TO RESPOND. YOURSELF A BENEFIT.
SO DIVORCING MYSELF, MR. MURPHY, MR. GLISSON FROM THE
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DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROCESS. SO OTHER STAFF, DESIRES ASSISTANCE FOR, WE WILL ASSURE THAT DRAFT WITH YOU IN EARLY APRIL. THEN PRESENTED TO YOU FOR APPROVAL AT THE APRIL 20 MEETING SO THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND SOLICIT PROPOSALS. SO THAT IS AN INTENT WITH GOLFYOU KNOW AT THIS COMMISSION, BASICALLY ASKS THE CITY MANAGER. WHAT HAS TRANSPIRED, IT LOOKS TO BE LIKE THERE IS A CITIZEN EFFORT IN PROCESS, NOT BE AN RFP. MAKE SURE WE ALL UNDERSTAND.
>> THE INTENT BEHIND THAT, IT WAS MY BELIEF OR PERCEPTION THAT YOUR FIRST CONCERN WAS TO FIND A WAY TO SAVE THE BUILDING. THAT EFFORT, GOING TO SOLICIT OUTSIDE INTEREST. APPEARS TO BE CREDIBLE LOCAL INTEREST IN TAKING OVER AND RELOCATING THE BUILDING.
SO IN MY MIND, I HAVE DISCUSSED IT BRIEFLY.
THANK YOU FOR STAYING. THREE PEOPLE THAT GUTTED OUT
EVERY WEEK. >> DO NOT FORGET.>> I DID
SO IN LIEU OF THAT, IN LIGHT OF THAT I MADE THE DECISION THAT LET'S RUN THAT TO GROUND, DOES THAT FORGO OR PRECLUDE THE PROCESS OF DOING AN RFP? GIVEN THE TIME CONSTRAINTS.
I HAVE HEARD FROM AT LEAST THREE OF YOU THAT YOU INDICATED SUPPORT FOR THE LOCAL EFFORT TO LOCATE THAT BUILDING.
SO CAN MY PERCEPTION IS THE FIRST PRIORITY IS TO SAVE THE BUILDING. THE FACT WE HAVE SOMEBODY LOCALLY WELL-ESTABLISHED AND CREDIBLE TO SUPPORT THAT EFFORT, I THINK PLAYS OUT WELL FOR THE CITY.
>> I SPOKE TO MR. POINTER FRIDAY.
IT IS A PROBLEM THAT EXISTS IN RELOCATING THE BUILDING.
THE PRIMARY OBSTACLE TO DOING THAT, IS THE RAILROAD.
GOING OVER THE RAILROAD TRACKS. THE OBSTACLE HE FACES RIGHT NOW IS NEGOTIATING WITH THE RAILROAD IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
SO NO GUARANTEE THAT THIS WILL HAPPEN, SEVERAL OPTIONS, CUTTING THE BUILDING IN HALF. THEN REASSEMBLING IT.
AT THE NEW LOCATION. WE HEARD AT OUR PREVIOUS MEETINGS ABOUT THE HISTORICAL VALUE BEING TOP OF THE BUILDING. SO DISSECTING THE BUILDING, PRESERVING THE TOP, MOVING THAT TO HIS PROPERTY.
BUILDING A STRUCTURE, PUTTING THE TOP ON THE STRUCTURE.
A LOT OF MOVING PARTS HERE. SO HESITANT TO STOP THAT RFP, IF THIS FAILS, THAT MEANS THAT BUILDING IS GOING TO BE DEMOLISHED. IF WE DON'T DO THAT RFP.
HATE HAVING ALL EGGS IN ONE BASKET.
>> IF I CAN, I DO HAVE, A MEETING SCHEDULED, TO MEET WITH THE RAILROAD BECAUSE OF THE RELATIONSHIP THAT WE ESTABLISHED WITH THE RAILROAD. I AM WORKING SCHEDULE A MEETING WITH THE ROADMASTER WHO WILL OVERSEE THAT EFFORT OR PLAY A ROLE. INDICATED TO MR. POINTER THAT WILL BE INVITED TO PRINCIPATE WITH THAT AS WELL.
WE WILL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. I BELIEVE WE CAN EXPEDITE AND DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IF THE RAILROAD, IF THAT IS WHAT MR. POINTER'S CONCERN IS ABOUT MOVING IT, GOING TO KNOW THAT WITHIN THE NEXT SEVEN OR 10 DAYS.
>> DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? >> UNDER THE GROUP THAT CAME AND TALKED TO ME ABOUT IT. WE WILL SEE.
>> THANK YOU. SUCCESSFULLY RELOCATED THIS
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BUILDING, SAVES IT I WOULD LIKE HOPEFULLY ISSUE UP AUTOMATION OF THANKS FOR TAKING SOMETHING HE DID NOT HAVE TO DO TO SAVE THIS BUILDING FOR THE CITY. THANKFUL TO HIM AND APPRECIATIVE OF THE SUPPORT OF THE CITY.A COUPLE THINGS. WHERE ARE WE ON AN ARBORIST?
>> I BELIEVE ADVERTISED THAT POSITION.
I WILL FIND OUT AND EMAIL ALL OF YOU.
TALK TO HR DIRECTOR TOMORROW. FIND OUT WHAT THE STATUS OF THE APPLICATION IS. FORRESTER, I CAN SEE.
HE LEFT BEFORE I COULD OFFER HIM THE JOB.>> OKAY.
WEEKLY WE TALK ABOUT THE DOCUMENT.
ONE IS THAT GOING TO BE OPEN? >> THE BEST ESTIMATE SHOULD BE
OPEN THIS MONTH. >> I THINK YOU TOLD ME DEP.
>> THE EFFORT TO ENSURE THAT IT MEETS ALL THE REGULATIONS.
EFFORT WITH DEP IS PROVING MORE POETIC THAN THEY HAD PLANNED BUT THIS PETITION IS AND SHOULD BE OPEN IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.
>> SPEAKING OF THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.
GRAND OPENING. YOU WERE OUT THERE TODAY.
VICE MAYOR WAS OUT EARLIER. NOT TAKEN UP GOLF, COMMISSIONER. THE OFFER IS OUT.
SO THE OFFER TO COMMISSIONER, I BELIEVE TDC WAS OUT THERE TODAY. I KNOW THAT MR. MURPHY INDICATED, IF THEY HAD ANYBODY THAT WAS INTERESTED IN VISITING THE FACILITY, TO EXTEND OR AT LEAST CONTACT MR. MURPHY TO COORDINATE A VISIT UNDER THE DIRECTION.
>> I HAVE ONE FINAL QUESTION. THE ROAD PARK USE, 90 PERCENT DONE. WHAT ARE OUR PLANS TO HAVE NOT A GRAND OPENING BUT A RIBBON CUTTING?
>> WAITING FOR THE PUNCH LIST TO BE FINALIZED.
THEN SCHEDULE A CEREMONIAL GRAND OPENING.
>> ANYTHING ELSE BUT THE CITY MANAGER? THANK YOU. BEFORE I CALL THE ATTORNEY, LIKE THE OFFICER TO STAND. SIR, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TONIGHT. IN A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION.
YOU HANDLED THAT WITH ABSOLUTE PROFESSIONALISM.
TO THE HIGHEST STANDARD. SO FROM THE CITY COMMISSION I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TONIGHT.
[14. CITY CLERK REPORTS]
>> CITY ATTORNEY, INDICATED YOU DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING.
CITY CLERK. >> DEADLINE, ELECTION.
THE 16TH OVERSEAS BALLOTS. ON THE 24TH, BALLOTS WILL BE MAILED. ELECTION DAY APRIL 13.
OUT OF THE OFFICE MARCH 22 THROUGH APRIL 1. DEPUTY CITY
CLERK IN THE OFFICE. >> THANK YOU.
[15. MAYOR/COMMISSIONER COMMENTS]
>> CITY COMMISSIONERS. I WILL START AT COMMISSIONER ROSS'S END. COMMISSIONER.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> VICE MAYOR.
>> MAKE A BRIEF COMMENT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ARE AWARE OF THE ISLAND FOUNDATION. THE ISSUE CAME UP, WASN'T ON FACEBOOK. THE FOUNDATION IS A NEW NONPROFIT, WHICH IS SIGNING UP BUSINESSES AND HOTELS, IN THIS WEEKEND. ONE PERCENT OF YOUR BILL IS PUT ON THEREFORE THE FOUNDATION. THIS IS NOT THE CITY FUNCTION.
WE OBVIOUSLY KNOW, NOR A TDC FUNCTION.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE SEEN THE BROCHURE.
I WANT TO CHANGE IT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO BID OUT.
IT COULD BE BENEFICIAL. OF WHAT ÃWHAT I PRESENTED TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO. THE GREEN FUND BY THE HOTELS.
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SO ALTHOUGH I THINK THERE WAS, THE ROLLOUT HASN'T BEEN GREAT BUT I THINK IN THE END PROBABLY BENEFIT US.> THANK YOU, SIR.>> I DO APPRECIATE IT. THE OFFICER DID A GREAT JOB THIS EVENING IN HANDLING THE CROWD.
I COMMEND YOU MAYOR OF LETTING ALL THE PUBLIC SPEAK.
TAKING THE TIME TO DO IT. THAT TAKES A LOT OF PATIENCE TO GREAT HARMONY FOR THE SITUATION THAT WERE GOING THROUGH.
ANYWAYS, A LOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT QUITE KNOW HOW THE GOVERNMENT WORKS. HOW EVERYTHING MOVES AND ALL THE INTER-PARTS. BRINGING UP THE DIFFERENT THINGS, WHEN PEOPLE GET ON FACEBOOK.
QUICK TO COMMENT ABOUT HOW THIS GOVERNMENT IS TAKING OVER.
PUSHING DIFFERENT THINGS AND WE ARE GLOATING THE GOVERNMENT.
ALL THESE DIFFERENT ITEMS, TAXING EVERYBODY.
IT IS REALLY ODD HOW THEY DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW IT WORKS.
SO ANYWAYS, TAKE YOU UP ON THE TOP GOLF, SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO DO IN THE NEXT WEEK AND SEE OUR FACILITY.
I APPRECIATE THAT. I AM GOING TO BE GOING OUT THERE. OTHER THAN THAT, ALONG MEETING BUT A SUCCESSFUL ONE. THANK YOU.
>> COMMISSIONER. >> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR DICTATING THE WORKSHOP TO THE DEPARTMENT.
AN ISSUE ON A LOT OF CITIZENS MINDS BUT HOPEFULLY COMING UP WITH A SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM THAT OUR CONSCIOUS ONES ARE SEEING. WITH THAT, MY SEVENTH MEETING.
STILL HAPPY TO BE HERE. >> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. ON THE SUBJECT OF THE APRIL 6 WORKSHOP, IS AN HOUR, ALREADY FEEL EYES, IS AN HOUR AND A SUFFICIENT TIME TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A PUBLIC AIRING OF THE SITUATION THAT IS UPON US, TO FULLY HAVE PEOPLE TAKE US THROUGH THEIR PROJECTS AND THEN MR., THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT STAFF, WHOMEVER NEEDS TO BE HERE, BE ABLE TO RESPOND? SO I THROW THAT OUT, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ISSUE.
I THINK WE HAVE ALL TALKED TO, I MET WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE FRIDAY. MEETING WITH CONTRACTORS, ARCHITECTS. EVERYONE IN THE BUILDING INDUSTRY. ON THIS ISLAND IN THE CITY.
XCEPT FOR COMMISSIONER, PROHIBITED FROM DOING THAT.
SO YOUR THOUGHTS. >> I THINK THAT I SENT AN EMAIL, ALLOCATE TWO HOURS. I THINK TWO HOURS.
I THINK PRESS FOR AN HOUR.F WE FINISH EARLY, GET A SODA POP
ONE FOR TWO HOURS. COMMISSIONER.
>> GO DOWN THIS ROAD. COMMISSIONER, I THINK, ONE IS FINE. IF THE REST OF THE COMMISSION IS ASKING FOR TWO HEIGHT WOULD BE IN PART HOWEVER, ONCE WE ARE EXTENDING IT FORWARD MORE, I DO WORK 8:00 UNTIL 5:00 JOB, INTO MY WORK HOURS. I WILL MAKE IT WORK FOR MY COMMISSION. I AM OKAY, I WILL DO THAT.
>> PRETTY GOOD READ ON IT. >> I APPRECIATE THAT.
DEFINITELY. I REALLY DO THINK THIS NEEDS TWO HOURS. I DON'T THINK EVERY ISSUE NEEDS TWO HOURS. BUT I THINK THIS ONE IS AN ISSUE. YOU KNO, I KNOW YOU CANNOT SPEAK WITH ME BECAUSE WE ARE ON THE COMMISSION.
I DO HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE. OVER 30 DIFFERENT PEOPLE I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE SITUATION. AS WELL AS AT EXPENSES ON MY OWN. I THINK THIS DICTATES AT LEAST
>> NO STRONG FEELING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
>> OKAY. AS ALWAYS, I WILL WEIGH IN.
SO I THINK THE VICE MAYOR IS CORRECT.
GOING TO SAY THIS COMMENT NOT AS AN INDICTMENT TO THE CITY,
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BUT AS A STATEMENT ABOUT PERCEPTIONS.PERCEPTIONS OUR POWERFUL. OFTEN OUTWEIGH REALITY.
ONE OTHER PERCEPTIONS THAT I HAVE HEARD REPEATEDLY FROM THE PEOPLE I AM TALKING WITH, IS A PERCEPTION OF IF I SPEAK PUBLICLY AND BY NAME, THAT I WILL BE RETALIATED AGAINST.
WHETHER THAT IS TRUE OR NOT, I HAVE PLEDGED FOR MY CHAIR AS MAYOR, PUBLISHING MY CELINL PHO NUMBER AND MY COMMITMENT, THAT I MYSELF, I CANNOT SPEAK FOR MY FOUR FELLOWS, NEVER TOLERATE RETALIATION BY ANY STATE DEPARTMENT.
END OF STORY. HAVING SAID THAT, EXISTED FOR SUCH A LONG TIME. THAT WE MAY HOLD A HEARING AND NO ONE MAY SHOW UP. BECAUSE OF THAT PERCEPTION.
BUT I THINK IT IS JUDICIAL OF US TO AFFORD THE TIME AND OPEN FORUM TO OUR CITIZENS TO HEAR THEIR GRIEVANCES AND THEIR SOLUTIONS. SO AGREE WITH THE 4:00 START.
PLEASE NOTE THAT. APRIL 6 WORKSHOP START AT 4:00.
IF WE GO THE FULL TWO HOURS, SUGGEST AT LEAST 15 MINUTE BREAK. BETWEEN THE WORKSHOP AND THE CITY COMMISSION'S MEETING. SO SCHEDULE 4:00 P.M. UNTIL 6:00 P.M., THEN THE COMMISSION MEETING 6:15.
DOES THAT SOUND COPACETIC? OKAY.
VERY QUICKLY, I WAS DOWNTOWN SATURDAY NIGHT, IT WAS BOOMING.
IT WAS GREAT TO SEE. GO FERNANDINA.
THANK YOU. WE ARE ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.