Mar 16, 2021 Workshop

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>> I WOULD LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE MARCH 16, 2021, CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP. IF YOU COULD CALL THE ROLL,

PLEASE? >> [INAUDIBLE]

>> AS I USUALLY DO, HOUSEKEEPING, WE ARE UNDER COVID CDC GUIDELINES, SO IF WE COULD KEEP OUR MASKS ABOVE OUR NOSE, I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT. IF WE CAN STAY SOCIALLY DISTANCED, THAT IS APPRECIATED AS WELL.

DECORUM, WE WANT TO ACT PROFESSIONALLY, TREAT EACH OTHER WITH DIGNITY AND RESPECT. PLEASE SILENCE ALL YOUR PERSONAL DEVICES. TURN THEM OFF COMPLETELY OR PUT THEM ON AIR PLAIN MODE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

>> VICE MAYOR, LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE, PLEASE?

. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> FINALLY, THERE ARE NO PUBLIC COMMENTS DURING THE WORKSHOP SESSION, HOWEVER, AT THE REGULAR COMMITTEE SESSION THAT FOLLOWS, THERE IS ECONOMIC COMMENT AND ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK IS AFFORDED THE ABILITY TO DO THAT BY FILLING OUT A FORM BY THE CITY CLERK'S DESK AND YOU WILL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSIONER. ALL RIGHT.

[4.1 STRATEGIC SUMMARY PRESENTATION - FACILITIES AND FLEET]

WELCOME. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSION, I'M NEXT ON THE LIST HERE TO PROVIDE YOU A STRATEGIC OVERVIEW OF OUR OPERATIONS AND WE'LL MOVE FORWARD. I CURRENTLY JOOEFR SEE FLEET FLEET AND SANITATIONS. LY KEEP IT BRIEF BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT.AND SANITATIONS.

LY KEEP IT BRIEF BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT. FIRST ASPECT IS THE MAINTENANCE OF THE CITY FLEET. THIS IS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A SNAPSHOT OF THAT WITH VISUAL AIDS TO HELP PIECE SOME OF THAT TOGETHER. WE MAY PAINT A FLEET OF ABOUT 250 UNITS AND THAT SERVICES PROVIDING THE DEPARTMENTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY WITH THE REPLACEMENT VALUE OF ABOUT $12 MILLION. YOU CAN SIGH WHY IT TAKES EARNEST DUTY TO TAKE CARE OF FLEET FOR THE SAFETY AND RELIABILITY. THE AVERAGE AGE OF OUR FLEET IS 5.6 YEARS. OUR OPERATIONS IS FROM START TO FINISH. WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ACQUISITION, THE MAINTENANCE, FUELLING AND DISPOSAL OF ALL EQUIPMENT. WE'RE ONE OF TWO IN THE CITY, NOT DESIGNED TO MAKE A PROFIT, WE'RE NOT DESIGNED TO GROW AS A BUSINESS AS YOU WOULD AS AN ENTERPRISE FUND.

WE GENERATE ENOUGH REVENUE TO GENERATE EXPENSES AND BREAK EVEN. WE WORK OUT OF A FACILITY, A NICE FACILITY A10,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY CONSTRUCTED IN 2001 AND RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE VARIETY OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT WE WORK ON, WE HAVE OUTSOURCE RATE OF 30%.

YOU HAVE HEARD A JACK OF ALL TRADES, MASTER OF NONE AND WE WORK OFF THAT PLATFORM. WHEN YOU HAVE A VARIETY OF EQUIPMENT AS YOU SAW IN THAT FIRST SLIDE, FIRE TRUCKS, POLICE CARS, MOWERS, TRACTORS, HYDRAULICS, EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN, YOU'RE DOING WELL IF YOU CAN KEEP UP WITH THE MAINTENANCE AND WE OUT SOURCE ANYTHING SPECIALIZED.

OUR STAFF IS CURRENTLY TWO FULL TIME TECHNICIANS AND ONE PART TIME AND WE HAVE ADMIN SUPPORT WITHIN OTHER DEPARTMENTS OF PUBLIC WORKS. PART OF WHAT YOU SAW ON THE STRATEGIC SUMMARY IS UPCOMINGAL CAPITOL MEETS, RELOCATED TO PUBLIC WORKS IN THE 19 50I6S, AN INTERESTING STORY BEHIND THAT BUT WE HAVE BEEN OUT BUILDING SINCE 2001 AND THESE ARE SOME OF

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THE ONE I WOULD LIKE TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO IS OUR FUEL STATION THATCHED PROVIDES FUEL TO ALL THE CITY DEPARTMENTS, POLICE, FIRE, EVERYTHING THAT RUNS HAS A MOTOR, REQUIRES FUEL AND WE MANAGE THE FUEL STATION FOR THAT.

THAT FUEL STATION WAS PUT IN IN 1994 AND AS WE'RE GETTING TO THE END OF THE LIFE OF THAT STATION, THOSE TANKS, RATHER, WE'LL BE NEEDING TO UPGRADE THAT. THAT'S IN YOUR 5-YEAR CAPITOL PLAN AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE KEEPING AN EYE ON BECAUSE IF AND WHEN THAT GOES DOWN, WE'RE CRIPPLED.

THERE'S A LOT OF PAPERWORK TO FILE WITH DEP TO KEEP THIS STATION OPERATIONAL JUST AS ANY FUELLING STATION AND WE'RE KEEPING AN EYE ON THIS TO MAKE SURE WE REPLACE IT AT THE RIGHT TIME AND NOT WHEN IT'S TOO LATE. IN FLEET WE HAVE HAD NOTABLE ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND, OF COURSE, CHALLENGES, ONE OF THE NOTABLE ACCOMPLISHMENTS WAS CENTRAL IS CENTRALIZING FLEET OPERATIONS.

THAT WAS BRINGING EVERYTHING UNDER ONE ROOF, IF YOU WILL, WHERE THE ACQUISITION AND WITH THAT, WE CREATED THE VEHICLE ROTATION PLAN, STRENGTHENED OUR PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM WHICH IMPROVED VEHICLE EQUIPMENT RELIABILITY.

I DON'T CANT TO BRAG ABOUT THE LACK OF MOTOR FAILURES BECAUSE WHEN THAT HAPPENS, SUBSEQUENTLY YOU'LL HAVE ONE BUT WE HAVE DONE WELL, OVERHAULED OUR SURPLUS PROGRAM.

EVERYTHING THAT WE SURPLUS AT THE END OF VEHICLE'S LIFE IS FULLY DEPRECIATED BUT WE BRING IN ABOUT $100,000 A YEAR ON THE SURPLUS SIDE AND WE ELIMINATED DEBT FROM BUILDING THE BUILDING BACK IN 2001 AND PROFITABLE AND AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE NOT DESIGNED TO MAKE MONEY BUT WHERE WE HAD A PROFIT THAT RETURNED BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND. SOME OF THE CHALLENGES AS I MENTIONED SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS AND IMPROVEMENTS, STAFFING SHORTAGES, THE LEVELS HAVE REMAINED UNCHANGED IN NEARLY 20 YEARS. WE LOST ONE POSITION WHEN THE SANITATION DEPARTMENT WAS OUTSOURCES BACK IN 2003 AND WE NEVER REGAINED THAT POSITION. I'M HESITANT TO ASK FOR STAFF OR HELP BECAUSE THAT TENDS TO BE THE GOVERNMENT RHETORIC BUT WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE IT'S BECOME A STRUGGLE.

WE WORK WITH OTHER PROGRAMS, EMPLOYEES, WE USE COMMUNITY SERVICE WORKERS TO HELP TAKE CARE OF VARIOUS TASKS AROUND THE SHOP SO WE HAVE EXHAUSTED ALL MEANS THAT WE HAVE TO OUR AVAILABILITY TO PREVENT US GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE ASKING FOR AN ADDITIONAL POSITION BUT YOU WILL SEE THAT IN THIS UPCOMING BUDGET YEAR ON THE FLEET SIDE OF THINGS.

>> IS THAT A PAY ISSUE? >> AS FAR AS?

>> STAFFING SHORTAGE. IS THAT A SALARY, HOURLY WAGE

ISSUE? >> YES, SIR, THAT HAS BEEN AN ISSUE. PART OF IT, TOO, IS JUST BUDGET RESTRAINTS. AS I SAID, THAT BUDGET WOULD COFFER THE COST OF THAT POSITION IF WE WERE TO ADD ONE TO THE

FLEET. >> THANK YOU.

>> WE EXPERIENCED A TIME HERE A FEW MONTHS AGO WHERE BECAUSE OF AN INJURY AND COVID RELATED QUARANTINE ISSUE WE HAD A COUPLE DAYS AT THE SHOP WHERE THERE WAS NO STAFF AT ALL.

WE HAVE THE EV, THE ELECTRIC VEHICLE MARKET IS HERE, GETTING STRONG AND WE'RE KEEPING AN EYE ON THAT ALONG WITH THE NEEDED INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THESE VEHICLES.

I'M SURE YOU HAVE HEARD BUT PUTTING IN A CHARGING INFRASTRUCTURE FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLES THERE, SOMETHING WE WILL BE MONITORING BECAUSE AS THAT BECOMES MORE COMMON PLACE THIS OUR CITY, OUR FLEET, OF COURSE, WE'LL MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION AS WELL. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE FLEET SIDE? IF NOT I WILL MOVE ONTO

FACILITIES. >> COMMISSIONER?

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SHORE I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY THATURE I HEARD YOU CORRECTLY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ASKING FOR AN

ADDITIONAL EMPLOYEE THIS YEAR. >> YES, SIR

>> AND THE REASON FOR THAT AGAIN?

>> OUR STAFFING IN FLEAS HAS REMAINED UNCHANGED SINCE 2003.

AS OUR FLEET HAS GROWN IN SIZE, WE'RE AT THE TIPPING POINT WHERE

WE NEED ANOTHER STAFF ON HAND. >> THANK YOU.

>> FACILITY MAINTENANCE, WE DO MAINTAIN AND PEOPLE ARE OFTEN SURPRISED HOW MANY BUILD CITY BUILDINGS WE HAVE.

WE HAVE 70 BUILDINGS WITH A VALUE ABOUT $60 MILLION AND THE

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FACILITY MAINTENANCE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR A NUMBER OF THOSE BUILDINGS WHERE WE EXTENDED FROM THE MAINTENANCE OF THOSE FACILITIES BUT THE GENERAL FUND OPERATION, WE WORK OUT OF ABOUT $750,000 BUDGET AND STAFF INCLUDES SHARED ADMIN SUPPORT.

WE WORK OUT OF THOSE TWO FACILITIES PICTURED THERE.

THE ONE ON THE RIGHT BUILT JUST LAST YEAR IN THAT HUT, THE GRAY BUILDING WAS BUILT ABOUT 20 YEARS AGO.

AS FAR AS THE FACILITIES SIDE OF THE HOUSE, WE HAVE NO SIGNIFICANT CAPITAL NEEDS AT ALL.

FACILITY WIDE, IMPROVEMENTS, [INDISCERNIBLE] EVERYTHING FROM CITY HALL TO OUR WATER PLANT, OUR REC CENTERS ARE TIRED AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL BE ADDRESSED HERE SOON.

IMPROVEMENTS, SOME OF THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS WE HAVE HAD IN FACILITY MAINTENANCE WAS OUR WORK ORDER SYSTEM.

COMMISSIONER KREGER WAS INVOLVED ON THAT PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM THAT WE STRENGTHENED AND FOLLOW AND SOME SIGNIFICANT SUSTAINABLE MEASURES, LED LIGHTING, HVAC SYSTEMS, REFLECTIVE ROOF SYSTEMS, ETC. CITY WIDE AS QUESTION DISCUSSED, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE HAD ARE CONTINUED IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR PREVENTIVE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM ADDRESSING ISSUES BEFORE ISSUE AS OF LATE IS THE ONE - OUTSOURCING DIFFICULTIES.

FACILITIES MAINTENANCE IS MAINTENANCE AND WE'RE NOT CONSTRUCTION BUT AS WE HAVE HAD DIFFICULTY GETTING CONTRACTORS IN TO TAKE CARE OF SMALL JOBS, WE HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO DO SOME OF THAT WORK IN HOUSE AND THAT PRESENTS SOME CHALLENGES.

AS THERE'S CONTINUED ATTENTION TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, FACILITIES MAINTENANCE HAS A LOT MORE INVOLVEMENT WITH THAT AS WELL. SANITATION, WE'LL COVER THIS QUICKLY. OUR SANITATION IS ENTERPRISE FUND, WE WORK OUT OF A $2.9 MILLION BUDGET.

SERVICE IS TO BES ABOUT 900,000 A YEAR AND WE'RE IN ADVANCE WITH WASTE DISPOSAL, WASTE MANAGEMENT AND THAT LASTS THROUGH JANUARY 15, 2024. OUR SANITATION OPERATIONS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR GARBAGE, RECYCLING, BULK AND YARD WASTE SERVICES. WE WORK THROUGH A FRANCHISE FREMONT. WE HAVE ABOUT 6,100 ACCOUNTS AND THAT COVERS RECYCLING, BULK PICKUP AND YARD WASTE.

GARBAGE SERVICES TO WASTE MANAGEMENT BACK IN 2003.

ADVANCED DISPOSAL TOOK OVER THAT CONTRACT AND HAS HELD THE CONTRACT SENSE AND YOU HAVE THE RECENT MERGER.

SOME OF THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN RESENT YEAR ISES THE 2018 RFP CONTRACT WHERE WE MADE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES, WORKING THROUGH THIS MERGER WITH ADVANCED DISPOSAL TO WASTE MANAGEMENT. APPROXIMATELY 900,000 SERVICE POINTS IN A YEAR WITH LITTLE INCIDENT.

WE DID HAVE AN UNSCIENTIFIC SURVEY TO GET SOME INFORMATION,

FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY -- >> HANG ON A SECOND.

OFFICER WILL YOU PLEASE SPEAK WITH THE CROWD? IT IS ONE PERSON BUT IT ONLY TAKES ONE.

ALL RIGHT, PLEASE CONTINUE, GO AHEAD.

SORRY. >> THAT'S FINE.

SO ABOUT 900,000 SERVICE POINTS WITH LITTLE INCIDENT AND 82% SAN FRANCISCO RATE. YARD DEBRIS, WE HAVE CONTINUED TO HAVE STRUGGLES WITH A SOLUTION FOR DOWNTOWN TRASH AND NEW PHONE NUMBERS NEW WORK ORDER SYSTEM ON THEIR END.

THAT'S WHO OUR CITIZENS CALL IN TO AND WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT WORK AS SMOOTHLY AS POSSIBLE. RECYCLING STILL CONTINUES TO BE A LOSING OPERATION, IT'S SOMETHING WE DO BUT AT $9 A TON, IT'S COSTING TO RECYCLE AND THAT'S A PROBLEM, A CHALLENGE NATIONWIDE. THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

I KNOW THIS IS A BIT DISTRACTING TIME, IT COULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER ENVIRONMENT BUT IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR ME, LET ME KNOW NOW OR LATER, I WILL BE HAPPY TO FULFILL THEM.

>> COMMISSIONER STURGIS? >> THANK YOU.

I JUST WANT TO SAY, JEREMIAH, YOU'RE GOING A GREAT JOB.

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JUST KEEP UP THE WORK AND KEEP DOING A GREAT JOB AND I HAVE NOTICED THE SANITATION YARD DEBRIS TRUCKS A LOT ON THE ROAD LATELY AND I DON'T SEE HARDLY THE TRASH OR DEBRIS AROUND THE YARDS. SO I THINK YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.

>> VICE MAYOR? >> YEAH, I WANTED TO COMMENT ON FACILITIES. WHEN WE IMPLEMENTED THAT SOFTWARE, WE GOT IT FREE FOR A YEAR.

WHAT'S THE COST NOW? >> LESS THAN $3,000 A YEAR.

>> $3,000 A YEAR FOR TECHNOLOGY FOR WORK ORDER MAINTENANCE SYSTEM. I WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT, WHAT A FABULOUS DEAL THAT IS AND YOU KNOW WHAT WE SPEND ON TECHNOLOGY IN THE CITY. GOOD JOB, GENTLEMEN.

>> AND I WANT TO ADD, JEREMIAH, YOU'RE GOING TO BE COMING BACK TO US WITH THE TIER ONE RECOMMENDATIONS, RIGHT?

>> YES, SIR. GEORGE AND I ARE WORKING ON THAT AND WE'RE WORKING ON RFPS TO PROVIDE YOU MORE INFORMATION ON THE UPCOMING MEETING OR LATER IN THE WORKSHOP, I'M NOT SURE BUT

WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. >> TERRIFIC AND JOB WELL DONE.

>> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT, ITEM 4.2, CITY

[4.2 CITY COMMISSION / NASSAU COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSION - 2021 JOINT WORKSHOP AGENDA]

WORKSHOP AGENDA. >> ISN'T THAT SCHOOL BOARD? IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE SCHOOL BOARD.

>> NO, IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE SCHOOL BOARD.

>> I BELIEVE THE DISCUSSION IS THE COUNTY COMMISSION.

>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> IS THERE ALSO A --

>> I GOT A LITTLE DIFFERENT INFORMATION THIS MORNING ON THE

CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY. >> ALL RIGHT, ALL THE SLIDES I SAW PERTAIN TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION.

>> CORRECT. >> VICE MAYOR KREGER POINTED OUT, THE MEETING ON THE 30TH IS RELATED TO THE SCHOOL BOARD.

YOUR DISCUSSION ITEM IS RELATED TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER.

>> THIANK YOU, SIR. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

>> BUT PART OF IT IS APPLICABLE TO THE SCHOOL BOARD.

>> OKAY. >> THE LAST JOINT PLANNING AGENCY, THE CITY COMMISSION COUNTY COMMISSION MEETING WAS 12 MARCH 2019. IN THAT MEETING, THE AGENDA WAS [INDISCERNIBLE] BY MYSELF BY THE COUNTY COMMISSION.

I HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDING WE MOVE FORWARD.

WE HAVE THREE NOW COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, TWO NEW CITY COMMISSIONERS AND SIGNIFICANT THINGS GOING ON THAT WE SCHEDULE A MEETING. I WANT TO COVER A COME OF THOSE THINGS THAT I THINK ARE VERY IMPORTANT AND THIS COMMISSION WILL DECIDE AND DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER HOWEVER WE WANT TO GO.

THE FIRST ITEM, AND THIS IS ON THE AGENDA, IS BASICALLY THE COUNTY HAS DIRECTED THE TDC TO INITIATE THREE INITIATIVES.

YOU HAVE THE PACKAGES FROM THE 17TH OF MARCH.

ONE OF THEM IS A SIGNAGE WHICH IS NO PROBLEM AND IT WILL ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT'S GOING ON. THE SECOND IS HARMONIZATION OF THE BEACHES WHICH A 10-YEAR PLANNING PROCESS WHICH INCLUDES NORTH BEACH, BARK MAIN BEACH AND SATLER AND CHIP WAS AT THE MEETING AND THE COUNTY DIRECTED TO GO BACK TO TDC AND COME UP WITH A PLAN AND I'M JUST SAYING WE NEED TO GET AHEAD OF THIS WITH OUR BEACHES AND DETERMINE WHAT WE WANT TO DO THERE.

WE NEED TO DRIVE THE PROCESS. THE THIRD IS AN AMERICAN BEACH PROCESS, A CULTURE PROCESS, WHICH IS WE'LL COME OFF THE TDC MEETING ON THE 30TH OF THIS MONTH AND I'LL MOVE FORWARD THAT THIS IS -- I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT WE GET AHEAD OF IT AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE AN AGENDA ITEM.

THE TDC WILL DRIVE BUT I THINK WE NEED TO ESTABLISH WHAT WE WANT ON OUR BEACHES. THE SECOND ITEM I BELIEVE MOST OF US GOT BUT IT'S ON THE AMENDMENT IS A DRAFT OF AN INTERLOCAL GOVERNMENT AGREEMENT. THIS IS A RESULT OF THAT 2-YEAR AGO MEETING BUT IT'S BEEN SITTING AROUND SINCE FEBRUARY OF 2020 AND I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD ON THAT ISSUE.

THE THIRD ITEM IS SEEKING A MUTUAL AGREEMENT IN COST SHARING WITH THE COUNTY ON OUR PARKS. IF YOU REMEMBER, MIKE AND CHIP

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WHEN YOU ADD IN INDIRECT COSTS, WHICH IS CAPITAL AND MAINTENANCE, THAT'S A PROBLEM. LY GIVE YOU BRIEF NUMBERS FOR COUNTY OTHER THAN CITY USE PROGRAMS. CHILD CARE IS 31%. VOLLEYBALL IS 50%.

INDOOR SOCCER IS 12%, ADULT SOFTBALL, 75%.

ADULT BASEBALL, 30%. AQUATICS, 53%, AEROBICS, 34%, PUBLIC SWIM, 35%. SENIOR PROGRAMS, 45%, FITNESS 53%. THAT'S A LOT OF USE OF OUR COUNTY FACILITIES AND I'M SUGGESTING WE ESTABLISH A NUMBER THAT SHOWS THE AMOUNT THAT WE SUBSIDIZE EVERY PROGRAM AND LOOK AT THAT PERCENTAGE OF THE COUNTY AND INCLUDE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT AND REQUEST CAPITAL FUNDING AND WE WOULD ABOLISH THE SURCHARGE.

THIS IS A PROGRAM I BELIEVE WE COULD ESTABLISH AND DISCUSS AT THAT MEETING AND MOVE FORWARD. THE COUNTY HAS SAID SOME POSITIVE THINGS. AN INTERESTING ONE IS THE MLK FIELD, THE ADDITIONAL FIELD WHERE THEY HAVE SORT OF TOLD THE VICE PRESIDENT THEY ARE WILLING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THAT ADDITIONAL FIELD BUT WE HAVE TO GO OUT AND ASK THEM.

I BELIEVE THAT'S AN ITEM WE SHOULD HAVE ON THE AGENDA WHEN WE MOVE FORWARD. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.

I THINK CHIP IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS BUT WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD AND HAVE THAT MEETING AND HAVE A CITY AGENDA. THIS PARK DISTRICT THING WOULD ALSO APPLY TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WHO USES OUR FACILITIES. THEY RENT THE POOL BUT THE POOL IS VERY EXPENSIVE. I THINK THERE'S LIKE $100,000 IN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS SO THOSE ARE BIG NUMBERS AND I THINK WE SHOULD ASK THEM TO CONTRIBUTE BASED ON THEIR UTILIZATION ALSO.

AND THAT'S IT. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS?

>> I THINK THAT'S FINE. I AGREE WITH YOU 100%, BUT I WILL POINT OUT THAT THE COUNTY JUST PASSED A PARKS AND REC MASTER PLAN OF WHICH THERE IS ZERO, ZERO IN IT FOR THE CITY, SO. I THINK IT'S GREAT.

>> MR. BEAN. >> I CONQUER WITH COMMISSIONER ROSS. THE MOST IMPORTANT ITEM WOULD BE TO TALK ABOUT THE PARKS AND REC MASTER PLAN TO MAKE SURE WE GET OUR FAIR SHARE LIKE ANY OTHER COUNTY.

I'M LOOKING AT THE AGENDA AND I SEE THERE'S ANOTHER -- HANG ON.

>> OFFICER SIR, WE'RE UNDER CDC GUIDELINES.

NO STANDING IN THE ROOM AND MASKS ARE REQUIRED.

THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.

>> I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET TO ALL THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA BEFORE 6:00 SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THEM ALL BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME ITEMS THAT I THINK SEEM TO BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN OTHERS ON THIS AGENDA TO SOME OF THE BIGGEST TURNOUT I HAVE SEEN SO I MOVE TO DO A TIMED ON THE NEXT COUPLE ITEMS. 7 MINUTES PER ITEM WOULD TAKE US TO 6:00 IF THAT'S AMENABLE TO

YOU GUYS. >> I THINK WE'LL GET THERE.

>> ALL RIGHT, MAKING SURE. >> YEAH, I'M DONE.

>> PERFECT. I'M GOING TO CALL TO A

>> I'M READY TO GO. >> ALL RIGHT, WE'RE BACK IN

[4.3 BUDGET PLANNING (PARKS AND RECREATION)]

SESSION. >> ROCK AND ROLL.

I TEAM 4.3, BUDGET PLANNING PARKS AND REC.

COMMISSIONER ROSS, YOU'RE GOING. COMMISSIONER ROSS, YOU'RE GOING

FIRST? >> YEAH I THINK I'M SOLO.

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IN THIS CITY, WE HAVE A LOT OF STUFF, 8 PARKS, THREE POCKET PARKS -- WE ALL KNOW WHAT THE LIST IS.

AND THE RIGHT OF WAY BOARDWALK. OUR CITY HAS MORE PARKS AND RECREATION CAPITAL THAN THE ENTIRE COUNTY AND WE HAVE MUCH MORE THAN EVERY CITY IN THE CITY OF FLORIDA.

I WENT AND LOOKED FOR MASTER PLANS AND OUR CITY FOR A CITY ITS SIZE, THERE'S NO OTHER CITY LIKE IT WITH THE KIND OF PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT THAT WE HAVE.

THIS IS RIGHT OUT OF THE PARKS AND REC MASTER PLAN.

THE POINT OF IT IS YOU DON'T SEE FOURS OR FIVES UP THERE, MAINTAINING OUR STUFF IN EXCELLENT CONDITION BUT IT'S ALL IN REASONABLE CONDITION AND THE NEXT ONE, PLEASE.

SO WHAT I LOOKED AT WAS THE CURRENT ADOPTED 5-YEAR PLAN WHICH KREGER AND MYSELF ALL VOTED FOR, THE 2021 PLAN, THE STRATEGIC SUMMARY BY THE DIRECTOR AND THE AGENDA PACT WITH CAPITOL IM -- CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.

WE'RE SPENDING $550,000 AND THAT'S ASSUMING WE GET A $250,000 GRANT FROM THE STATE GOVERNMENT SO THIS YEAR WITH THE ADJUSTED ROLL BACK RATE WE SPEND A TOTAL OF $146,000 ON CAPITAL NEEDS FOR PARKS AND RECREATION. NEXT, IF YOU LOOK AT THE 5-YEAR CAPITAL BUDGET, THE SUBTOTAL OF ALL THESE ITEMS IS ABOUT $2.3 MILLION AND THESE ARE ALL THINGS PUT IN IN THE UPCOMING BUDGET AND I TOOK OUT THE $5 MILLION AND THE EXPANDED MLK AND I THINK THESE SHOULD BE PERMANENTLY TAKEN OUT OF THE BUDGET BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THEY'RE EVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

$2.3 MILLION. THE NEXT ONE, PLEASE.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAFT FISCAL PLAN WHICH WAS PUT TOGETHER BY STAFF AND ALL THESE THINGS ARE THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN PROMISING OUR CITIZENS FOR YEARS, THIS IS NOTHING NEW, IT'S $2.7 MILLION. A LOT OF THESE PROBABLY ARE LIGHT ON THE FEES. NEXT ONE, PLEASE.

IF YOU GO TO STRATEGIC PLAN PUT OUT BY THE DIRECTOR, AGAIN, $2.7 MILLION AND MANY OF THESE THINGS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BASEBALL FIELDS, THE FENCING, ALL THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR YEARS. NEXT ONE.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW, AS A CITY COMMISSION, WE'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD GOING INTO THIS BUDGET CYCLE AND RECOMMEND WHAT IT IS WE WANT THE CITY TO FUND AT WHATEVER RATE GOING TO ADOPT, BUT THE TOTAL BUDGET ON ALL THIS IS ABOUT $2.4 MILLION AND LAST YEAR WE SPENT $146,000 AND IF YOU TAKE OUT THE PECK CENTER.

HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE $250,000 TO DECREASE THAT BUT IF WE GO TO THE ROLL BACK RATE, IF WE GO TO THE ADJUSTED ROLL BACK RATE LIKE LAST YEAR WE HAVE ABOUT $150,000 TO SPEND ON CAPITAL NEEDS SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW THE COUNTY CITY COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO GO FORWARD AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO PRIORITIZE IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND ON THESE AND WHICH OF THESE PROJECTS WE'RE GOING TO ELIMINATE. THAT'S WHERE I AM.

>> COMMISSIONER STURGIS? >> CHIP, I LIKE ALL YOUR IDEAS OF GOING OVER THESE THINGS EXCEPT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO PRIORITIZE THEM, LIKE YOU MENTIONED, AND ULTIMATELY THERE WERE BOARDWALKS ON ONE SLIDE I SAW AND CURBING AND DIFFERENT STUFF THAT WE PROMISED PEOPLE BY IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE ABOUT WHAT WE PICK AND CHOOSE OR WHAT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND WHAT PRIORITY IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE DONE, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO SPEND $2.4 MILLION. I DON'T SEE HOW IT'S GOING TO

HAPPEN. >> CAN I RESPOND?

>> YES, SIR. >> I DON'T, EITHER, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS HOW, AS A GROUP, WE'RE GOING TO PRIORITIZE THIS. INSTEAD OF TELLING STAFF DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT, HOW ARE WE GOING TO TELL STAFF THESE ARE THE THINGS WE WANT AND WHICH PROJECTS ARE WE TAKING OFF HERE PERMANENTLY? A LOT OF THIS STUFF GOING

FORWARD, I DON'T SEE US FUNDING >> NO. TO GO TOO MUCH INTO THE

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>> THERE'S STUFF BUT IT COMES OUT TO A LITTLE OVER

$1.8 MILLION. >> COMMISSIONER BEAN?

>> YEAH, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THIS AND THE LAST.

I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF RAISING TAXES FOR OUR CITY RESIDENCE DEPTS. I WILL NOT BE IN FAVOR OF RAISING THE TAXES BUT I'M IN FAVOR OF WORKING WITH THE COUNTY AND THERE'S THAT $100 MILLION APPROVED TO BE SPENT BY THE COUNTY IN WHICH FERNANDINA BEACH IS GETTING NONE.

SO LET'S WORK WITH THE COUNTY TO BE INCLUDED AND THAT COULD SOLVE OUR PROBLEM WITHOUT RAISING TAXES.

>> VICE MAYOR? >> I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CAPITOL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AS A TOTAL PLAN, NOT JUST PARKS AND RECREATION BUT ALL THE DEPARTMENTS.

AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS WE WILL PRIORITIZE THEM BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REQUIRES. IF YOU REQUIRE, THEY WILL BE REQUIRED BY CODE AND THERE ARE ALL DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.

WE'LL MAKE THE DECISION AS TO WHAT WE DO AND, YOU'RE RIGHT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ALL THAT MONEY.

WE DON'T KNOW. IT'S NOT LIKELY.

BUT THAT'S ALL IN THERE, THE WHOLE PLAN TELLS YOU WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE, WHAT THEY SHOULD BE, AND AS YOU MOVE DOWN TO TWOS AND THE THREES, ONE IS CODE REQUIREMENT, ONE A LIFE SAFETY REQUIREMENT, WE'RE GOING TO DO THOSE AND THE NICE TO DO ONES AREN'T GOING TO BE THERE. STAFF NEEDS TO DO THAT FIRST.

THE CODE REQUIREMENT ISSUES BUT I THINK THE SYSTEM ALLOWS FOR THAT AND I BELIEVE THAT ALREADY SOME OF THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE [INDISCERNIBLE] ALREADY SO I AGREE WITH YOU AND IT DOES FIT INTO ALL THIS PLANNING. WITH THE COUNTY, THEY MAY HAVE PASSED A PLAN BUT THIS WHOLE 20 TO 10-YEAR PLAN, THEY TALK ABOUT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT AND WE SHOULD MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO GET

OUR FAIR SHARE. >> CORRECT.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> I'M JUST GOING TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THESE THINGS, THE PECK BUILDING, I THINK THAT'S A NEED NOT A WANT. THE BUCCANEER FIELD FENCING, THAT'S $330,000. WE ALL PROMISED IT'S GOING TO BE DONE, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. REDECKING NORTH BEACH.

WE'RE GOING TO REDECK IT SHORTLY OR CLOSE IT DOWN.

CENTRAL PARK, AGAIN T PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT IS AT THE END OF ITS LIFE, EITHER WE TAKE IT DOWN OR REFINANCE IT.

THE CURBING AT EGANS CREEK, THE WATER COMES DOWN THE ROAD THERE AND SHEETS ACROSS AND FILLS UP THE PARK EVERY RAIN WITH SAND.

THOSE ARE ALL NEEDS AND THAT'S $1.2 MILLION AND LOOK FORWARD TO YOU TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUND THIS.

AND ONE LAST THING, I LEFT OUT ALL THE OTHER THINGS IN YOUR PACKET, ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT I JUST PUT IN WHAT WAS FOR NEXT YEAR. THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH MORE FOR

THE OUTLYING AREAS. >> MY COMMENT ON THIS ISSUE IS YOU ARE ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER ROSS.

WE'RE GOING TO NEED A LOT MORE TIME --

>> I DIDN'T EXPECT THIS TO BE DONE TONIGHT.

>> YEAH, WE'LL NEED A LOT MORE TIME TO GO THROUGH EACH AND EVERY DEPARTMENT AND COMMISSIONER ROSS AND I WERE AT THE PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING IN WHICH THE DIRECTOR WAS ASKED TO PRIORITIZE AND JUST AS MR. GLISSON WILL PROVIDE US THE TIER WIN PRIORITIES, I EXPECT PARKS AND REC TO DO THE SAME THING. WHAT ARE YOUR TOP PRIORITIES? AND AS YOU NOTED, COMMISSIONER ROSS, THERE ARE ITEMS ON THAT LIST THAT I THINK ARE OVERSTATED.

SOME ARE NECESSARY, SOME ARE NOT NECESSARY.

SO, AGAIN, THIS IS GOING TO TAKE A ROBUST DIALOGUE AND MORE TIME THAN WE HAVE IN THE WORKSHOP. BY THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS

FORWARD AND WE WILL REVISIT. >> CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION?

>> YES, SIR. >> WHEN?

>> WE HAVE HOW MANY BUDGET WORKSHOPS?

>> AS MANY SCHEDULED WE BLOCK OUT A WHOLE WEEK, WE CAN HAVE AS MANY BUDGET WORKSHOPS AS YOU WANT TO HAVE.

>> SO WE'RE AT THE PLEASURE OF THE TAXPAYERS.

WE'LL HAVE TO FIGURE OUT OUR BUDGET AND WHAT OUR PRIORITIES ARE AND WE CAN MEET AS FREQUENTLY AS WE NEED TO.

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>> OKAY. >> TO FIGURE THIS OUT.

>> GOOD. >> COMMISSIONER MAYOR? THIS IS TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED ON THE APRIL PARKS AND REC ADVISORY MEETING TO START THAT PRIORITIZATION PROCESS SO WE SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING BACK FROM PARKS AND REC ADVISORY COMMITTEE

IN EARLY APRIL. >> THAT'S GREAT, THANK YOU.

VICE MAYOR, REMIND US ALL THAT WE HAVE THE PADS AND THE 30TH OF MARCH FOR THE BUILDING EVALUATION AND ASSESSMENT IS ALL PART OF THIS. IT WILL ALL FIT IN.

I HAVE BEEN PREACHING ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FOR 5 YEARS AND WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> I WANT TO MAKE THE FINAL POINT, THE MATH DOESN'T ADD UP. I HAVE NO PROBLEM, YOU WANT TO CUT TAXES, WE CUT TAXES BUT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO CUT SERVICES. SO THAT'S THE REALITY SO WHAT SERVICES DO YOU WANT TO CUT? WE SPEND $146,000 LAST YEAR, $1.7 MILLION AND THAT WAS AT THE ADJUSTED ROLL BACK RATE.

IT JUST DOESN'T ADD UP. THAT'S MY ONLY POINT.

[4.4 NOISE ORDINANCE REVIEW]

>> THANK YOU, SIR. 4.4, THE NOISE ORDINANCE REVIEW.

THIS WAS PLACED ON THE AGENDA BY COMMISSIONER BEAN.

YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR HAVING THIS ITEM ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO A BUNCH OF PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE HAVE HAD ISSUES WITH OUR NOISE ORDINANCE RECENTLY. I PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA TO FIND A SOLUTION AND I THINK THERE'S A COMPROMISE THAT WILL WORK FOR EVERYONE. I AND I THINK EVERYONE ELSE HERE WANTS TO LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE REASONABLE LIVE MUSIC REMAINS IN OUR CITY AND AS I SAY THIS, I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M ABSOLUTELY CLEAR I'M VERY PRO NOISE ORDINANCE AS LONG AS IT'S REASONABLE BUT RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS SOMETHING NOT REASONABLE. NO ONE HERE IS ADVOCATING FOR ROCK CONCERTS BUT WE'RE ASKING TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO PLAY LIVE MUSIC IN OUR CITY. RIGHT NOW I THINK OUR CURRENT NOISE ORDINANCE HAS ONE OF THE MOST SUBJECTIVE TERMS I HAVE EVER HEARD, IT'S PLAINLY AUDIBLE AT 100-FEET AWAY.

IN CASE THIS IS YOUR FIRST TIME WATCHING AT HOME AND THIS IS YOUR FIRST TIME HEARING ABOUT HOW OUR NOISE ORDINANCE WORKS, WHAT THAT MEAN ISES WHEN A COMPLAINANT IS CALLED, THEY DETERMINE IF THE NOISE THEY HEAR IS QUOTE UNQUOTE PLAINLY AUDIBLE. SO WHO DETERMINES WHAT IS PLAINLY AUDIBLE? IS IT HEARING THE LYRICS? THE BASS? THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT WAYS OF WHAT YOU CAN DETERMINE AS PLAINLY AUDIBLE.

I THINK IT'S VERY SUBJECTIVE. I DON'T WANT OUR POLICE TO HAVE TO ENFORCE A BAD LAW BUT FOLKS, WE HAVE THE 21ST CENTURY SOLUTION WHICH IS HERE TODAY, IT'S THE DECIBEL METER.

THE DECIBEL METER IS A WAY WE CAN SOLVE THIS PROBLEM.

IT'S ALREADY USED BY OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE SOUTH IN ST.

AUGUSTINE, IT'S HOW OUR NEIGHBORS IN ST. SIMONS HANDLE THIS PROBLEM. IT WILL GIVE US HARD DATA AND I'M AN ENGINEER, I LOVE LOOKING AT HARD DATA.

IT WILL BE COMPLETELY SUBJECTIVE.

IT'S THE TOOL WE USE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SOUND.

IT'S HOW WE MEASURE WHAT SOUND IS USING THIS DECIBELMETER.

AS AN ENGINEER I REFERENCE THAT I WOULD NOT GO OUT INTO THE FIELD AND TAKE SOME SORT OF MEASUREMENT AND EYEBALL IT, NOT USE THE APPROPRIATE TOOL FOR THE JOB.

COMMISSIONER STURGIS IS A CON TRACKER.

IF HE BUILDS A COUNTER TIP, HE WOULD NOT JUST LOOK AT IT AND SAY THAT'S PLAINLY LEVEL. HE WOULD GET A LEVEL.

COMMISSIONER ROSS IS A PHYSICIAN.

HE WOULD NOW SAY THIS PATIENT IS PLAINLY FEVERISH.

NO, YOU WOULD GET A THERMOMETER. SO THE TOOL THAT IS USED TO MEASURE NOISE IS THE DECEMIBEL METER.

WE NEED TO USE THAT. BY THE SAME TAKEN WE SHOULD SAY SOMETHING IS PLAINLY AUDIBLE, WE SHOULDN'T SAY THAT, WE NEED THE RIGHT TOOL FOR THE JOB AND THAT IS THIS DECIBEL METER.

I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO A GREAT DISCUSSION TONIGHT.

WE HAVE A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT COMING OUR WAY.

IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT. FOR THOSE OF YOU WATCHING AT HOME, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A VOTE ON THIS ON APRIL 6TH.

THAT'S NEXT MEETING. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A DECIBEL METER AS LANGUAGE THIS THAT VOTE AND IF IT'S NOT IN THERE, I WILL MOVE TO ADD SUCH LANGUAGE TO THE NOISE ORDINANCE BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A DECIBEL METER BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT'S MORE OBJECTIVE. AND FINALLY, I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE COMING OUT TONIGHT TO SUPPORT THE MUSIC.

WITHOUT GUYS, WE WOULDN'T HAVE A CITY.

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THANK YOU, BACK TO YOU. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS?

>> TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, NO ONE IS COMPLAINING ABOUT THE MUSIC. THE EXCESSIVE VOLUME IS WHAT CAUSES THE PROBLEM. THE POWER IS IN THE MUSIC, NOT THE AMPLIFIER AND IF THE PROBLEMS GO DOWN, I THINK ALL THESE COMPLAINTS WOULD EVAPORATE.

THE NOISE METER HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME AND I HAPPEN TO OWN A PROFESSIONAL NOISE METER BECAUSE I HAD A BAR BEHIND ME AND THERE WAS NO NOISE ORDINANCE IN THE CALVERT COUNTY AT THE TIME. WE GOT A NOISE ORDINANCE IN THROUGH DECIBELS. I'M NOT SAYING I'M FOR IT OR AGAINST IT BUT BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR.

YOU CAN SET IT UP AND RECORD 24 HOURS AND YOU PUT A MICROPHONE NEXT TO IT, WHICH RECORDS ANY AMBIENT NOISE AND IF THEY'RE ABOVE THAT, THAT'S PRIMA FASCIA EVIDENCE THAT THEY'RE IN VIOLATION. YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED AT HOW LOW THE NOISE WITH DECIBEL METERS THAT'S ALLOWABLE.

IN MARYLAND, THE WHOLE THING IS DONE BY DECIBEL METERS.

THE AMBIENT NOISE IS NOT VERY HIGH AT THE RECEIVING PROPERTY.

IT'S TO THE DETRIMENT TO A LOT OF THESE ESTABLISHMENTS.

I'M NOT SAYING IT'S GOOD, I'M NOT SAYING IT'S BAD, I'M SAYING THAT IT'S HIGHLY -- YOU ARE RIGHT, IT'S OBJECTIVE IF YOU GO THROUGH THE METERING AND THE CALIBRATION AND ALL THAT AND THAT'S WHERE THE ATTORNEYS MAKE THEIR MONEY BECAUSE THEY ARGUE OVER WHETHER IT'S CALIBRATED OR NOT, BY IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. THE OTHER THING TO CONSIDER IS OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, I BELIEVE, DOES NOT THINK DECIBEL MEET SUMMERS A GOOD IDEA AND I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THEM AT

SOME POINT. >> VICE MAYOR?

>> I DO WANT TO SAY, FIRST, THAT I'VE GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT ROCK AND ROLL BUT I ALSO GET SIGNIFICANT COMMENTS FROM RESIDENTS WHO ARE CONCERNED.

I THINK AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DRAFT AND WE BRING IT BACK, WE'LL SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. DECIBEL METERS ARE NICE AND I HAVE WORKED DECIBEL METERS ALSO. IT WAS MORE ALONG THE OSHA THING. THE CRITICAL THING THERE IS NOT ONLY THE RECORDING BUT WHAT LEVEL ARE WE SETTING IT AT? AND SO THAT'S IMPORTANT AND HOW DO YOU DO THAT? OSHA DEALS WITH NOISE ON THE BASIS OF DECIBEL AND DURATION ON WHAT'S DAMAGING. TRYING TO SLEEP IS ANOTHER ISSUE. SO I THINK WE HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL AND I THINK IT'S WORTH LOOKING AT.

I HAD SOME GREAT IDEAS WHICH I WON'T REPEAT WITH DECIBEL METERS BUT CHIP HAS HAD EXPERIENCE AND WE SHOULD LOOK AT ALL THE OPTIONS AND CONSIDER ALL THE PARTIES, THE PEOPLE WHO LIKE MUSIC ALONG WITH THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE.

>> ABSOLUTELY. >> COMMISSIONER STURGIS?

>> THANK YOU, MAYOR. I THINK THIS IS KIND OF A SIMPLE PROBLEM. IT'S KIND OF COMPLICATES BUT IT CAN BE VERY SIMPLE. I THINK AS WELL AS THE DECIBEL METER BEING USED AS A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THERE SHOULD BE TIME LIMITS. IT COULD BE A CERTAIN TIME, EXCESSIVE NOISE AT AN EARLY HOUR OR AT A LATE HOUR BUT IF SOMEBODY LIVED IN WHAT I WOULD CALL THE ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE CALLING IT BUT THE DOWNTOWN AREA WHERE THERE ARE BUSINESSES MIXED TOGETHER WITH RESIDENTS, ON A WEEKEND WOULD BE ONE TIME LEVEL, WHETHER, SAY, 10:00 OR 10:30 AND THEN ON A WEEKDAY, A 9:00 LEVEL BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN GET INTO THAT BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING BUT I WOULD SAY WITH A DECIBEL METER AND A SET TIME, THAT WOULD BE A BEST MEASURE.

NOT JUST 11:00 EVERY NIGHT. THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

PEOPLE HAVE TO GO TO WORK AND TYPICALLY THAT'S STILL ON A WEEKDAY. WE STILL FUNCTION ON THIS 7-DAY SOCIETY AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S CHANGING ANY TIME SOON.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REASONABLE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE MUSIC AS WELL AS OUR RESIDENTS.

AT THIS TIME, ON THE WEEKEND, IT CUTS OFF.

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I'M LOOKING AT MY WATCH, IT'S 10:30, THERE'S STILL MUSIC? FINE TIME. REAL SIMPLE.

WHATEVER TIME, WHATEVER WE GET INTO THE WEEDS ABOUT THAT BEFORE NEXT MEETING I THINK THAT'S THE KERR EFFECT WAY TO HANDLE IT.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE POINT THAT COMMISSIONER ROSS MADE EARLIER IN THE MEETING ABOUT HOW WE PUT A DECIBEL METER AT THE ESTABLISHMENTS AND THAT'S WHAT I ABSOLUTELY LOVE ABOUT THIS.

OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH BOTH THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE DOWNTOWN, SOME OF THEM, AND I MET WITH THE ESTABLISHMENTS WHO THIS WOULD BE AFFECTING AND RIGHT NOW UNDER THE CURRENT ORDINANCE, IT'S BORDERLINE IMPOSSIBLE TO TRULY KNOW IF YOU ARE IN VIOLATION OR NOT OF THIS NOISE ORDINANCE UNTIL THE POLICE SHOW UP.

IF YOU'RE RUNNING A BAR RIGHT NOW, WHO KNOWS WHAT IS PLAINLY AUDIBLE. YOU MAY THINK EVERYTHING IS GOOD BUT UNTIL A COMPLAINT HAPPENS AND SOMEONE COMES AND TELLS YOU WHAT IT IS, YOU DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE IN VIOLATION OR NOT.

IF WE GO TO THE DECIBEL METER, I BELIEVE IT'S GOOD AND THE BUSINESSES CAN HAVE THEIR OWN DECIBEL METERS WHICH THEY CAN USE TO DETERMINE IF THEY THEMSELVESES ARE IN COMPLIANCE OR NOT. THAT WAY -- AND I BELIEVE THAT OUR BUSINESSES ARE GREAT NEIGHBORS AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY WILL CONTINUE TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND IF WE GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO SELF-POLICE AND LET THEM HAVE THEIR OWN DECIBEL METER, THEY WILL TAKE THAT AND WE CAN KEEP THE MUSIC PLAYING. THAT'S ONE OF THE BIG POSITIVES

FOR THIS DECIBEL METER. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS?

>> AGAIN, I'M NOT AGAINST LIVE MUSIC.

YOU CAN HAVE LIVE MUSIC AT 2:00 IN THE MORNING, IT'S THE VOLUME OF THE MUSIC. THAT'S WHAT THIS WHOLE THING IS ABOUT. I'M JUST GOING TO RATE, THIS IS THE ONE E-MAIL THAT I THOUGHT. AS A 21-YEAR-OLD RESIDENT OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WHO IS INTERESTED IN PROTECTING OUR QUALITY OF LIFE WHILED RESPECTING THE NEEDS OF OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES I IMPLORE YOU TO PLANT A NOISE ORDINANCE WHAT'S REASONABLE AND ENFORCEABLE.

I ENJOY LIVE MUSIC AS MUCH AS THE NEXT PERSON.

WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS FOR IT TO TO BE AT A LEVEL THAT IMPACTS THOSE OF US WHO GO TO SLEEP HERE EVERY NIGHT.

WE GRIN AND BEAR IT DURING ONE OFF EVENTS SUCH AS FRUIT FESTIVAL, SOME OF US LEAVE. WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO DO THAT NIGHT AFTER NIGHT, ESPECIALLY IN THE WARMER MONTHS WHEN WINDOWS

CAN BE OPEN. >> I'M THE ONLY PERSON HERE WHO LIVES IN THE AREA. PLAINLY AUDIBLE MEANS TO ME, IN MY HOUSE, THAT'S SUPER INSULATED AND HAS HURRICANE GLASS WINDOWS, I CAN HEAR AND I'M SINGING ALONG WITH THE MUSIC AND IT'S 3 BLOCKS AWAY. THAT'S A VOLUME PROBLEM.

MOST OF THE TIME IT'S FINE. IT'S NOT A MUSIC PROBLEM, IT'S A VOLUME PROBLEM. THAT'S JUST WHAT I WANT TO

STRESS. >> OKAY.

I GUESS IT'S MY TURN TO WEIGH IN ON THIS ISSUE.

I WILL AGREE THAT NO ONE WANTS TO STOP LIFE MUSIC.

ABSOLUTELY NOT. NO.

MUSIC IS PART OF THE VIBE OF FERNANDINA SO WE WANT TO KEEP OUR MUSIC. WE WANT TO KEEP MUSICIANS EMPLOYED BUT THE DOWNTOWN IS AN ECOSYSTEM.

IT'S AN ECOSYSTEM COMPRISED OF RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES, RESTAURANTS, LIVE MUSIC. ONE PART AFFECTS THE OTHER PARTS. SO WHAT WE HAVE TO SOLVE HERE WITHOUT BEING TOO INTRUSIVE IS HOW DO WE CREATE HARMONY AMONG ALL THOSE PARTS? THAT'S THE CONUNDRUM THAT WE'RE FACED WITH. HARMONY OF ALL THE PARTS OF THE ECOSYSTEM. I TALKED TO BOB BRADSHAW TODAY, THE MANAGER OF THE HAMPTON INN. THE VOLUMES FROM THE BOAT HOUSE ARE PROBLEMATIC FOR THE GUESTS AT THE HAMPTON INN.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT AS AN ECOSYSTEM, SHOULD THE BOAT HOUSE THRIVE AND THE HAMPTON INN SUFFER? HOW DO WE GET BOTH TO PROSPER? THAT'S THE GROUND THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND, THE COMMON GROUND.

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THE ONLY OBJECTIVE CRITERIA IS A SOUND METER.

OTHERWISE IT'S THE PERSON'S EAR. WHAT'S PROBLEMATIC, AND WE CAN HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY COME UP TO THE LECTERN, ARE THE LEGAL CHALLENGES TO SOUND METERS BECAUSE NOW YOU GET LAWYERS INVOLVED WHO WILL SAY WAS IT A CERTIFIED SOUND METER? WHO CALIBRATED THE SOUND MEET SNEER WHO WAS TRAINED TO SET UP THE SOUND METER? WHO WAS CERTIFIED TO DOWNLOAD THE RECORDING? WHAT WERE THE ATMOSPHERIC CONDITIONS AT THE TIME OF THE VIOLATION? WHAT ARE THE HARD SCAPE REFLECTIVE QUALITIES THAT SURROUND THESCAPE REFLECTIVE QUALITIES THAT SURROUND THE ENTITIES? YOU HAVE THESE PROBLEMS AROUND TRYING TO ENFORCE IT BASED AROUND THE DATA AND I AM STRUCKING WITH TGGLING WITH THI WE ALL ARE BUT I THINK WE NEED A METRIC. IRREGARDLESS OF THE LEGALITIES WE NEED A METRIC THAT WE CAN SAY TO PEOPLE, THIS IS THE LEVEL.

NOW, THE OTHER CONUNDRUM OR CHALLENGE WE'RE GOING TO FACE IS WHAT LEVEL, WHAT METRIC, WHAT SOUND LEVEL WILL BE ACCESSIBLE TO THE VENUES AND WHAT SOUND LEVEL WILL BE ACCEPTABLE TO THE HAMPTON INN? AND WE HAVE TO FIND COMMON GROUND THERE. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF DISCUSSION GOING FORWARD ABOUT THIS AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE READY IN 3 WEEKS TO HAVE A SOLUTION, BUT CITY

ATTORNEY GO AHEAD. >> I JUST NEED SOME DIRECTION.

YOU SAID IT JUST FINE IN TERMS OF WHAT DEFENSE ATTORNEYS WOULD USE TO CHALLENGE A CITATION WHEN IT'S BASED ON DECIBEL READINGS.

WE JUST NEED DIRECTION ON WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

SOUNDS LIKE YOU WANT SOUND METERS, SO ON APRIL 6TH I WILL BRING TO YOU ALL THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES THAT USE SOUND METERS AND WHAT THEIR DECIBEL READINGS ARE AND THAT'S THE BEST WE CAN DO. IF YOU WANT TO -- I BELIEVE THERE ARE APPS ON YOUR PHONE, YOU CAN LISTEN TO WHAT DECIBEL LEVELS IN DIFFERENT CONDOS OF SOUNDS SOUND LIKE.

I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU DO THAT SO YOU KNOWSOUNDS OF SOUNDS SOUND LIKE. I WOULD RECOMMEND YOU DO THAT SO YOU KNOW THE SPEAKING VOICE IS ABOUT 55 DECIBELS JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA AND WE ALREADY HAVE COMMISSIONER STURGIS, THE LATE NIGHT HOURS ARE COVERED, IT'S 10:00 MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY AND FRIDAY, SATURDAY, SUNDAY IS 11:00 P.M. WE HAVE NOT HAD ISSUES WITH LATE NIGHT CITATIONS OR COMPLAINTS FOR MORE THAN TEN YEARS. THE CURRENT NOISE ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED IN 2009 AND IT'S WORKED JUST FINE.

IT IS BASED ON A PLAINLY AUDIBLE STANDARD WHICH I JUST WANT TO SAY, SO YOU KNOW I DIDN'T MAKE IT UP, HAS BEEN UPHELD BY THE FLORIDA SUPREME COURT. 12012 WAS THEIR2012 WAS THEIR O CATALANO CASE. IT WAS FOUND TO NOT BE VAGUE BUT TO BE AN ENFORCEABLE STANDARD. I DID AT THE TIME WHAT THE CITY COMMISSION ASKED ME TO DO AND THAT WAS TO MAKE A SIMPLE ORDINANCE THAT'S ENFORCEABLE. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT COME OUT, WE USE THE TERM POLITICAL AND CHURCH FOR CHURCH BELLS, SOME EXEMPTIONS THAT'S VERY SPECIFIC TIMES AND DAYS BUT WE'RE TAKING THOSE OUT ANYWAY. I'LL BRING SOUND DECIBEL READINGS IN A PROPOSED ORDINANCE ON APRIL 6TH UNLESS YOU WANT

ANOTHER DISCUSSION. >> COMMISSIONERS?

>> THAT'S GOOD WITH ME. >> COMMISSIONER STURGIS.

>> YEAH, THANK YOU ATTA,TA TAMM. CLEARLY IT'S THE SOUND AND THE DISTANCE NOT THE TIME SO LET'S FIGURE OUT THE HAPPY MEDIUM.IKE IT'S A FINE LINE BETWEEN RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES AND WHAT'S GOING TO WORK AS A COMMUNITY.

LET'S SEE IF WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT AND USE THE SOUND DECIBEL METER TO COME UP WITH THAT ANSWER.

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>> OKAY. >> VICE MAYOR?

>> YEAH, I FIRST WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS THE SOUND LEVEL THAT WE'RE GOING TO SET? THEN I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, I HAVE HEARD COMMENTS THAT BUSINESSES SEEM TO BE WILLING TO SELF-POLICE AND PUT IN THEIR OWN SOUND METERS AND I WOULD BE INTERESTED TO RUN A TEST AND SEE HOW THAT WORKS.

WE HAVE SEEN AT THE BOAT HOUSE, THE PATIO AND THE GREEN TURTLE, IT JUST BOUNCES AROUND FROM DIFFERENT PLACES.

IT'S AT THE BOAT HOUSE NOW, IT SEEMS IT'S APPROPRIATE IF THEY'RE WILLING TO TEST THE SOUND METER AND PUT IT IN AND COMPLY WITH THE STANDARD SET BY THE CITY, THAT NUMBER, IT'S

WORTH A TRY. >> COMMISSIONER BEAN?

>> YES, THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. I WANT TO SAY, A, WHAT STANDARD SHOULD WE PUT IN FOR DECIBELS? I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK NO FARTHER THAN ST. AUGUSTINE. IT SOUNDS GREAT AND THEY HAVE RESIDENTS LIVING TOGETHER WITH BUSINESSES AND THEY WORK TOGETHER VERY FINE SO I SAY WE MATCH ST. AUGUSTINE WITH THAT AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE REREITERATE TO THE PEOPLE WATCHING AT HOME WHAT WE JUST DID TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY KNOWS WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE, THAT WE HAVE DIRECTED THE CITY ATTORNEY TO DRAFT AN ORDINANCE THAT WILL GO AND CREATE THE NEW ORDINANCE WHICH WILL INCLUDE SOUND MEET SOURCE THAT WILL BE VOTED ON APRIL 6TH SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO GREAT PUBLIC COMMENT,

THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> BEFORE I'M WILLING TO EMBRACE THE ST. AUGUSTINE STANDARD I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE PEOPLE IN ST. AUGUSTINE AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THEIR TAKE IS ON IT AND THERE'S ANOTHER GREAT PIECE OF TECHNOLOGY THAT COULD BE USED RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN PUT ON AN AMPLIFIER A TOGGLE THAT PREVENTS IT FROM GOING ABOVE A CERTAIN AMPLITUDE. THAT'S OUT THERE AND I THINK IT'S IN SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS BUT I MAY BE WRONG ABOUT THAT. THAT'S ONE OF THE PIECES OF TECHNOLOGY THEY APPROPRIATED. AGAIN, THIS IS ALL ABOUT VOLUME.

LY TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENED IN CALVERT COUNTY WHEN WE PUT THIS IN. THE VOLUME WOULD GO UP, YOU CALL THE POLICE, YOU GO OVER TO THE SQUAT BOX, THERE'S SOMEBODY -- WHAT I MEAN BY THE SQUAT BOX, THE SCANNER, GOES OVER TO THE SCANNER AND THE VOLUME WOULD GO DOWN.

THE POLICE SHOW UP, IT'S DOWN, THE POLICE LEAVE, THE VOLUME WENT BACK UP SO THERE ARE SOME DIFFICULTIES WITH THIS.

IT'S NOT THE PANACEA THAT SOME PEOPLE THINK IT IS AND THAT WENT ON FOR -- THAT'S ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THAT.

THANK YOU. >> AND FINALLY I WILL JUST ADD THAT OUR ACHILLES HEEL IN THIS, WHAT'S IN THE DESIGN OF THE BOAT HOUSE AND I WAS AT MANY OF THOSE MEETINGS WHERE WE WERE MORE WORRIED ABOUT THEM HAVING TVS DISPLAYED OUTSIDE THAN WE WERE ABOUT THE PERFORMANCE AREA. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME BETTER THOUGHT WHEN WE HAVE NEW VENUES OF HOW THE SOUND IS DIRECTED.

YOU'RE GIVING ME THAT LOOK. >> MY RECOLLECTION IS REAL DIFFERENT BECAUSE I SAT IN ON THOSE MEETINGS TOO.

MIKE BROUGHT IT UP AND HE SAID ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THIS? THERE WERE ASSURANCES THERE IT WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM.

IT WAS BROUGHT UP AND THEY TRIED TO DISCOURAGE THEM FROM EVEN

HAVING IT. >> RIGHT.

THAT'S ANOTHER PIECE OF THIS, IS HAVING THE BUSINESSES WORK WITH US, TOO, BECAUSE AS IT STANDS NOW, THE MUSIC IS JUST ALLOWED TO SCATTER EVERYWHERE AS OPPOSED TO HAVING SOME ACOUSTICAL PLACEMENTS BEHIND THAT PERFORMANCE AREA THAT WOULD DIRECT THAT MUSIC TOWARDS THE AUDIENCE.

SO I THINK THERE'S SOME MEDIATION, TOO.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS? WE ARE OUT OF TIME.

COMMISSIONER BEAN R YOU AGREEABLE TO HAVE BEACH PARKING PLACED ON -- IT WOULDN'T BE THE NEXT WORKSHOP, IT WOULD BE THE

WORKSHOP AFTER. >> I WILL BE AGREEABLE.

I JUST BELIEVE THAT'S AN ISSUE WE NEED TO TACKLE SOON, MAKE SURE THAT THAT GATE COMES DOWN -- OR I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT WE DO THIS. I'M AGREEABLE, LET'S MOVE ON.

>> ALL RIGHT THANK YOU, SIR. THAT WOULD BE THE APRIL 20TH.

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I WOULD URGE YOU NOT TO PUT DISCUSSION ON THAT.

WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.