[1. CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:05] WELCOME TO THE MARCH 9, 2021 MEETING OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE. MR. BROWN IS CALLED ROLE. THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. [4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES] DO I HEAR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE FEBRUARY 9 REGULAR MEETING? SO MOVED.> BOARD MEMBER: SECOND. >> CHAIR ROSS: ALL IN FAVOR? >> BOARD MEMBER: WAIT. >> CHAIR ROSS: DISCUSSION? >> BOARD MEMBER: YES. THE UNDER THE DISCUSSION THERE IS A LINE HERE THAT SAYS THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE FORMAT TO WORK TOWARDS APPROVING THE PRESENTLY REPOSED COLUMBARIUM PLANT. IS THAT REALLY WHAT WE FORMED THE SUBCOMMITTEE TO DO TO WORK TOWARDS APPROVING THE PRESENTLY PROPOSED PLANT? >> WE DID. >> WAS AT THE PROPOSED ONE? >> FOR THE PLANT. >> CHAIR ROSS: CAN WE AMEND IT TO JUST A PLAN? INSTEAD OF APPROVED? DO WE NEED A MOTION TO DO THAT? >> WE CAN BUT I TYPE THE MOTION THE WAY SHE SAID IT. THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. THAT'S WHAT THE MOTION WAS. >> CHAIR ROSS: ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT. WE NEED TO VOTE. >> BOARD MEMBER: WE ARE JUST DOING FEBRUARY 9 REGULAR MEETING? >> CHAIR ROSS: IT HAS BEEN 1ST AND 2ND ALL IN FAVOR? >> AYE. >> CHAIR ROSS: FEBRUARY 17 SUBCU MEETING DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? >> BOARD MEMBER: I HAVE ONE CORRECTION. MR. KAUFMAN'S NAME IS INCORRECTLY SPELLED. THAT IS THE ONLY THING THAT I SAW BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE SPELLED CORRECTLY. >> CHAIR ROSS: ANYTHING ELSE? >> BOARD MEMBER: YES. IN THE DISCUSSION, THE LAST LINE, BRICK IS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE MATERIAL TO BE USED IN A CEMETERY. WHAT WE WERE REFERRING TO IS THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE AND THE LOCAL ORDINANCE THAT SAYS THE BRICK IS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE MATERIAL. >> CHAIR ROSS: MISS BROWN WOULD YOU LIKE TO READ IT TO US? >> SPEAKER: THE LINE? THE 25TH. >> BOARD MEMBER: NO, THE 17TH. >>> BOARD MEMBER: IS THE LAST SENTENCE ON NUMBER 4. >> SPEAKER: BOARD MEMBER BARTELT HAD BROUGHT UP THAT BRICK IS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE MATERIAL TO BE USED IN THE CEMETERY. >> BOARD MEMBER: YOU CAN SAY BOARD MEMBER BARTELT HAD BROUGHT UP THAT BRICK IS NOT AN ACCEPTABLE MATERIAL TO BE USED IN THE CEMETERY BECAUSE OF THE LOCAL ORDINANCE. THAT IS WHAT I WAS BASING THAT STATEMENT ON. >> MS. BROWN: THAT IS TO CORRECTIONS TO THE MINUTES. CHANGING MR. 19 NAME AND THAT BOARD MEMBER BARTELT BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT BRICK IS NOT ACCEPTABLE BECAUSE OF THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE AND LOCAL [00:05:06] ORDINANCES ON IT? >> CHAIR ROSS: GOOD ENOUGH. >> BOARD MEMBER: YES CORRECT. >> BOARD MEMBER: I SO MOVED TO ACCEPT THE CHANGES. >> BOARD MEMBER: SECOND. >> CHAIR ROSS: ALL IN FAVOR? DO I HEAR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE EVERY FIFTH SPECIAL MEETING? >> BOARD MEMBER: I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT ONE. SOMETHING WE NEVER REALLY TALKED ABOUT THE DISCUSSION ON THE ITEMS TO PRESENT TO THE COMMISSION. YOU ACTUALLY HAD A LIST AND YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU WOULD REPRESENT US AT THE FIFTH COMMISSION MEETING. DON'T KNOW IF THAT NEEDS TO BE IN THERE. >> CHAIR ROSS: DO YOU WANT TO READ THE STATEMENT THAT COULD BE ADDED TO THE MINUTES? >> BOARD MEMBER: I JUST HAVE IT IN MY NOTES THAT THERE WAS A DISCUSSION OF ITEMS TO PRESENT AT THE COMMISSION CONCERNING WHY THE BOARD THE ADVISORY BOARD WOULD NOT APPROVE THE EXISTING PROPOSAL. >> CHAIR ROSS: STOP THERE. ARE WE GOOD? >> MS. BROWN: NO. I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF WE ARE ON THE MINUTES FROM EVERY 25TH, CORRECT? >> CHAIR ROSS: YES. >> MS. BROWN: IS THIS A SPECIFIC PLACE? >> BOARD MEMBER: IT WAS A LAST THING WE TALKED ABOUT. I THINK IT WAS AT THE END OF THE COMMITTEE'S CONCERN IS THAT THE PROPOSED DESIGN IS TOO LARGE AND TOO EXPENSIVE. >> MS. BROWN: THE LAST LINE WE WILL ADD AFTER THE LAST LINE ¦ >> BOARD MEMBER: THERE WAS A DISCUSSION CONCERNING ITEMS TO PRESENT TO THE COMMISSION. ABOUT WHY THE BOARD WOULD NOT APPROVE THE EXISTING PROPOSAL. >> MS. BROWN: THERE WAS A DISCUSSION CONCERNED TO THE COMMISSION AS TO WHY THE COMMITTEE WOULD NOT INCLUDE THE EXISTING PROPOSAL? >> BOARD MEMBER: RIGHT. CHAIRMAN ROSS HAD DRAFTED A LIST OF ITEMS. >> CHAIR ROSS: THAT IS ALL ATTACHED IN THE RECORDS, TOO. >> BOARD MEMBER: THAT WAS PART OF THE ATTACHMENT WE PUBLISHED IT? >> CHAIR ROSS: NO. >> BOARD MEMBER: IT HAS NEVER BEEN ATTACHED ANYWHERE? >> CHAIR ROSS: WE ALL AGREED VERBALLY TO ALL OF THOSE ITEMS. >> BOARD MEMBER: THERE'S MORE OF THAT SENTENCE. THEN SHE OFFERED TO ATTEND THE MARCH SECOND COMMITTEE MEETING TO THE BOARD. >> CHAIR ROSS: LUCKY ME. >> BOARD MEMBER: YOU DID OFFER IT. [LAUGHTER] >> CHAIR ROSS: IT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE ANY ONE ELSE WOULD DO IT! [LAUGHTER] >> MS. BROWN: AT THE END OF ITEM NUMBER 4 I WILL ADD THIS IN. THERE WAS A DISCUSSION TO SEND THE ITEMS TO PRESENT TO THE PROPOSAL. THIS IS IN THE MARCH 2 MEETING TO REPRESENT THE COMMITTEE. >> BOARD MEMBER: SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. >> CHAIR ROSS: I SO MOVE. >> BOARD MEMBER: I HAVE ONE CORRECTION. ON ITEM NUMBER 4 WHERE IT SAYS BOARD MEMBER BARTELT MADE THE POINT THAT THE PROPOSED DESIGN MUST BE DESIGNED FOR HEIGHT SIZE ORIENTATION? DO YOU SEE THAT? IT SHOULD SAY BOARD MEMBER BARTELT MADE THE POINT THAT PROPOSED DESIGN SHOULD BE CONTEXTUAL. EVALUATED FOR SCALE, MATERIALS, HEIGHT, FORMS AND ORIENTATION. [WHISPERING] [00:10:01] >> CHAIR ROSS: ARE WE GOING TO SAVE IT? >> CHAIR ROSS: THE LAST CHANGE WILL BE READ BACK TO US? >> MS. BROWN: BOARD MEMBER BARTELT MADE THE POINT THAT THE PROPOSAL MUST BE EVALUATED BY THE HEIGHT, SIZE AND ORIENTATION AND REPLACE IT WITH BOARD MEMBER BARTELT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE POINT THAT THE PROPOSED DESIGN SHOULD BE CONTEXTUAL, EVALUATED FOR SCALE, MATERIAL, HEIGHT, FORM AND ORIENTATION? >> BOARD MEMBER BARTELT: CORRECT. >> CHAIR ROSS: THANK YOU. THOSE ARE THE TWO CHANGES. SECOND PLEASE? >> BOARD MEMBER: SECOND. >> CHAIR ROSS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. I SEE NO ONE HERE UNLESS THE GENTLEMAN IN THE BACK WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT. [6.1 Review and Approve New Member] ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER 6. NEW MEMBER CANDIDATES AND APPROVAL. WE HAVE TWO THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA PACKET. HOWEVER, WE HAVE HAD A THIRD ONE ARRIVED. THERE ARE, I HAVE BEEN ADVISED SINCE THERE ARE TWO IN THE PACKET WE SHOULD CHOOSE FROM THE TWO. HOWEVER, IF YOU WISH TO PUT IT ON THE NEXT MEETING AGENDA WE COULD EVALUATE ALL THREE. WOULD LIKE TO HEAR SOME DISCUSSION AS TO WHAT THE BOARD'S PLEASURE WOULD BE. >> BOARD MEMBER: I THINK WE SHOULD, CHECKED THE BOARD PACKET WHICH HAS NOT BEEN PUBLISHED YET FOR THE COMMISSIONERS MEETING NEXT TUESDAY TO SEE IF THAT BOAT WAS ACTUALLY ON THE AGENDA. THE PACKET IS NOT ONLINE AT 4:30 IT'S STILL NOT ONLINE. SO, I WAS LOOKING TO THAT FOR GUIDANCE. GIVEN THAT TECHNICALLY BECAUSE I DON'T GO ONLINE TO CHECK AND WE DIDN'T GET NOTIFIED UNTIL FEBRUARY 22 THAT WE HAD A VACANT THE. THAT IS TWO WEEKS AGO. I WOULD SUPPORT DEFERRING TO GIVE THIS COMMITTEE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER THIS POTHER INDIVIDUAL. THAT IS MY PERSONAL OPINION. IT HASN'T BEEN THAT LONG. EVEN THOUGH THE RESIGNATION TOOK PLACE ON THE 10TH WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT UNTIL THE 22ND. AND, I DO GO AROUND AND SAY PTHINGS TO PEOPLE. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER MEMBERS HERE.O TRY TO DO IT OUT THERE. >> CHAIR ROSS: I WOULD NOT MIND DEFERRING IT TO THE NEXT MEETING. >> BOARD MEMBER: PERHAPS WITH THE EXTRA TIME WE COULD DEVELOP SOME CRITERIA SUCH AS FOR INSTANCE, WHO IS ALREADY ON THE COMMITTEE, WHAT OTHER KINDS OF NEEDS WE HAVE. FOR INSTANCE, IF WE MAKE AN OBJECT OF CHOICE THEY ARE ALL THREE EXCELLENT CANDIDATES, HOW CAN WE CHOOSE UNLESS WE HAVE A REASON FOR THE CHOICE. I'M ALWAYS UNDER THE PHILOSOPHY TO DO. >> BOARD MEMBER: IS IT OKAY TO ASK WHY THE INDIVIDUAL LEFT? >> CHAIR ROSS: YES. SINCE HE HAS LEFT. I SENT AN EMAIL TO MR. ROBERTS THAT WE WERE VERY SORRY TO LOSE HIM AND HE WAS HAVING FACULTY WITH THE SUNSHINE LAWS. THAT IT IS DIFFICULT TO WORK IN A TEAM WHEN WE CAN'T SPEAK OUTSIDE OF THE MEETING. AND HE WAS ALSO HAVING DIFFICULTY COMING TO THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS BECAUSE HE WORKS. AND I FULLY UNDERSTAND THAT. HE FELT LIKE HE WAS NOT BEING ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE AS MUCH AS HE COULD. SO, THOSE WERE HIS REASONS THAT HE GAVE TO ME. I WISH HE HAD STAYED. HE WOULD HAVE BEEN A REALLY VALUABLE ASSET. BUT, HE FELT REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE NOT BEING ABLE TO PARTICIPATE FULLY. >> BOARD MEMBER: MAY I ASK A GENERAL QUESTION? OTHER THAN POSTING ON THE WEBSITE IS THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC NOTICE THAT GOES OUT WHEN WE HAVE VACANCIES ON VARIOUS BOARDS? BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T Ã ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE FAIRLY NEW YOU DON'T GO ON THE WEBSITE EVERY WEEK OR MONTH TO CHECK IF THERE IS A VACANCY. [00:15:01] I EXPECT THAT OFTEN TIMES PEOPLE HERE IT INTERNALLY THAT THERE ARE OPENINGS.E DIDN'T EVEN KNOW. THE APPLICATIONS CAME ON THE SAME DAY. WE WERE TOLD THERE WAS A VACANCY. I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE IS ANOTHER MECHANISM WHETHER IT IS A PAPER OR SOMETHING WE CAN USED TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT THERE ARE OPENINGS OTHER THAN WE TRY TO DISSEMINATE AMONG THE GROUPS WE KNOW. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS. I THINK IT IS JUST A WEBSITE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT SHOULD BE THANK YOU INTO THE AGENDA OF THE COMMISSIONER MEETING OR SOMETHING TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT THERE IS A VACANCY CANNOT. >> CHAIR ROSS: I THINK WE CAN TAKE SOME TIME LATER AND POSSIBLY TALK ABOUT THAT AND HAVE A CLEAR VIEW. >> BOARD MEMBER: I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANOTHER WAY. >> CHAIR ROSS: BUT WE ARE BLESSED WITH THREE NOW. SHOULD I HEAR ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE SITUATION? >> BOARD MEMBER: DO WE NEED A MOTION? TO POSTPONE? >> BOARD MEMBER: I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE DIFFER RECOMMENDING AN ADVISORY BOARD, A NEW ADVISORY BOARD MEMBER UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING IN ORDER TO CONSIDER ALL APPLICATIONS. >> CHAIR ROSS: OKAY. DO I HEAR A SECOND? >> BOARD MEMBER: I WILL SECOND. >> CHAIR ROSS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. MOTION THAT PRIOR TO THE NEXT MEETING THAT WE DEVELOP THROUGH A ROUGH DRAFT CONSIDERATION TO BE GIVEN IN CHOOSING THE CANDIDATE AS SOME CANDIDATES HAVE OBLIGATIONS AND SHOWING AN INTEREST IN OUR PARTS. SO, IN GENERAL, NOT THINKING ABOUT THAT, LOOKING FOR YOUR FEEDBACK. JUST AS SOMETHING TO HAVE. IT'S GOING TO BE A HARD CHOICE. >> CHAIR ROSS: IT WILL BE VERY DIFFICULT. >> BOARD MEMBER: HOW WILL THAT WORK? WILL YOU DO THAT AND SEND IT TO NANAND THEN SHE SENDS IT TO US? >> CHAIR ROSS: YES. >> BOARD MEMBER: ISN'T THERE A GUIDANCE SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY TALK ABOUT THE GEOGRAPHIC? THERE IS SOME GUIDANCE. >> CHAIR ROSS: OKAY NUMBER 7, [7.1 Capital Improvement Plan 2021-2022] CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. MRS. BOYD? >> BOARD MEMBER: WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU ON YOUR BOARD OR ON THE COMPUTER, IS THE PROPOSED WHICH IS ALREADY BEING UPDATED, PROPOSED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT FOR NEXT YEAR. THIS IS JUST NEXT YEAR. NOT IN FIVE YEARS, OR THE NEXT YEAR, IT IS JUST NEXT YEAR. YOU CAN, IT MAKES IT A LOT EASIER TO SEE. A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I AM REMOVING FROM THIS, RETROFIT TENNIS COURTS LIGHT LED WILL BE MOVING DOWN A YEAR OR TWO OR MORE. ALSO, REPLACE KIDDIE POOL TOYS AT MLK AND ARC. MOVING THAT DOWN. IN THE NEXT FUND IS THE CAPITAL EXPANSION FUND. RIGHT NOW ÃI AM SORRY. RESTROOMS AT NORTH BEACH PARK. >> CHAIR ROSS: ARE WE TAKING THAT OFF? >> BOARD MEMBER: I AM GOING TO ADD LEAST DEFER IT DOWN. AND THEN THE STRATEGIC SUMMARY, OUR STAFF THOUGHT OR TO CREATE OR REPAIR AND UPGRADE OUR EXISTING FACILITIES AND NOT TO ADD NEW FACILITIES AT THIS TIME. LIKE I SAID, THAT IS THE CAPITAL EXPANSION FUND SO IT DOESN'T COME OUT OF THE GENERAL TAXPAYER MONEY. [00:20:02] AND, THERE WAS ONE MORE. REDUCING, I'M SORRY, I AM GOING UP TO THE REGULAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. REPLACE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AT CENTRAL PARK. WE ARE REDUCING THAT TO $200,000. WE CANNOT HAVE WHAT WE ARE DREAMING OF RIGHT NOW BECAUSE, WE KNOW WHAT THE CONDITION OF OUR BUDGET IT IS GOING TO BE NEXT YEAR SO WE HAVE TO TAKE THOSE. AND ACTUAL FENCING IS $360,000 NOT 3 TO $30,000. >> BOARD MEMBER: WHAT IS THE MODIFICATION FOR THE MLK POOL? >> BOARD MEMBER: FOR THE MLK POOL, TAKING THE DEEP AND, CURRENTLY THE SLOPE OF THAT POOL IS THREE FEET TO 4 FEET AND THEN IT GOES LIKE THIS. >> BOARD MEMBER: IT DROPS OFF. >> BOARD MEMBER: IT IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO A LOT OF WATER EXERCISE WHERE YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TOUCH THE BOTTOM OR SWIMMING LESSONS. IT WOULD PROVIDE MORE OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE TO GET INTO THE POOL AT ONE TIME AND USE IT. SO, TURNING PEOPLE AWAY WHEN THEY COME THERE SAYING WE ARE AT CAPACITY FOR PEOPLE TO STAND UP BECAUSE YOU CAN'T. IT SLOPES A PRETTY SERIOUS SLOPE DOWN TO THE SEVEN FOOT DEEP AND. THAT IS REALLY WHAT THAT IS. OF COURSE, WHILE WE ARE IN THERE I'M SURE THAT WE WILL FIND PLUMBING AND THINGS THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED. >> CHAIR ROSS: THE COLUMBARIUM, IF THERE IS SOME WAY TO GET THAT MONEY TAKEN OUT OF THE PERPETUAL CARE FUNDS WHEN WE GET TO THE CEMETERY PERHAPS WE CAN CONVINCE THE CITY COMMISSION THAT THAT MONEY DOESN'T NEED TO COME OUT OF THE PARKS AND BUDGET. THAT THERE IS MONEY POSSIBLY THERE THEY CAN BE USED OFF OF THAT AND PUT BACK IN AS IT PROCEEDS? >> BOARD MEMBER: THIS COULD POSSIBLY BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU ALL TO MAKE THAT MOTION TO REMOVE THE REQUESTED 300,000. REMEMBER THE 300,000 WAS BASED ON THE PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED PLAN? REMOVE THAT WITH THE ALTERNATIVE FUNDING COMING FROM THE IMPACT FEES. >> BOARD MEMBER: I HAVE A QUESTION. I AM TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT FEE. HOW THIS GOT THERE WHEN THE PROJECT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE SELF FUNDING. >> BOARD MEMBER: IT'S BEEN IN THE BUDGET. WE PUT IN THE BUDGET WHETHER IT IS FUNDED BY THE CITY OR NOT. IT'S BEEN IN THE BUDGET. 300,000 HAS NOT. >> CHAIR ROSS: THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. I THOUGHT 85 AND 85 FOR TWO YEARS. AND NOW ALL THE SUDDEN 300,000? >> BOARD MEMBER: BASED ON THE PROPOSED 1.4 MILLION, THIS HAS NOT CHANGED SINCE THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING WHEN MEMBER R ROSS WENT AND SAID WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND THIS MUCH MONEY, WE WOULD LIKE TO REEVALUATE AND THE COMMISSION VOTED 3 Ã2 TWO REEVALUATE IT. WE WILL STILL PUT THE FUNDING IN THERE WHETHER IT IS SELF SUFFICIENT OR NOT. >> CHAIR ROSS: IF YOU FIND IT OUT OF THE IMPACT FEES IN ITSELF FUND, YOU DON'T PUT IT BACK TO THAT MONEY IS GONE FOR THE PARKS AND IMPACT FEE. >> BOARD MEMBER: RIGHT. BUT THIS IS BASED ON NOT SELF FUNDING BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. THAT HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN TO STAFF AND WHEN WE ARE DIRECTED TO HAVE COLUMBARIUM WE ARE GOING TO KEEP IT RIGHT WHERE IT IS AND TELL YOU GUYS MAKE A MOTION AND SAY WE DON'T WANT THAT COMING OUT OF IMPACT FEES. IT HAS TO COME OUT OF THE PERPETUAL CARE FUNDS. >> CHAIR ROSS: WE MAY NOT KNOW WHAT THE BUSINESS PLAN IS. >> BOARD MEMBER: IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE MINUTES FROM THE 17TH, MR. KAUFMAN MADE IT CLEAR THAT THIS PLAN THE CITY WILL NOT FRONT THE PLAN FOR THIS PURPOSE. COLLECTIVE FUNDS WELCOME FROM THE RESTORATION FOUNDATION WHICH IS A 501(C)(3). HOW IS IT THAT WE ARE FUNDING IT NOW? >> CHAIR ROSS: IT HAS A QUESTION MARK BY IT THAT THE [00:25:04] 501(C)(3) IS NOT CITY GOVERNMENT OR MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT OR GOVERNMENT IF THEY HAVE TO MEET NATIONAL LAWS AND REGULATIONS ABOUT THE CEMETERY WHERE THEY HAVE TO GET A CEMETERY LICENSE, THEY HAVE TO GET OR HOLD ONTO THE PROPERTY. THEY HAVE TO DO ALL OF THESE THINGS ACCORDING TO STATE LAW. WHICH, IT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO DO THIS. SO, LIVE AT THIS TIME I DON'T SEE THEM DOING THIS WITH THE UP FRONT COST. ALL RIGHT? MY PREFERENCE AT THIS POINT WOULD BE TOO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SUGGEST TO THE COMMISSION THAT THEY TAP THE PERPETUAL CARE FUNDS AND TAKE IT OUT OF THE PARKS AND RECREATION BUDGET. PARTICULARLY THE IMPACT FEES. HOW DOES ANYONE ELSE WANT TO TACKLE THIS? >> BOARD MEMBER: I GUESS THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT PARTS TO THIS. THERE ARE OTHER CEMETERY IMPROVEMENTS THAT NEED TO BE DONE. >> CHAIR ROSS: YES. >> BOARD MEMBER: THEY COULD COME OUT OF THE PERPETUAL CARE FUNDS. THERE IS NO WAY THAT THOSE THINGS CAN BE SELF-FUNDED WHEREAS, THE COLUMBARIUM CAN BE SELF-FUNDED. I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THAT IS THE DIRECTION THAT PERHAPS WE AS A GROUP THINK IT SHOULD GO. IT SHOULD BE SELF-FUNDED. THERE ARE SOME EXPENSES THAT PROBABLY NEED TO BE BUDGETED FOR IN ORDER TO MAKE THE COLUMBARIUM HAPPEN. THAT IS GROUND PENETRATING RADAR. AND SOIL BOARDING. THOSE TWO THINGS COULD BE BUDGETED. WE COULD GET THOSE THINGS DONE. AND THEN, WE ARE ON RECORD AS SAYING WE ARE IN FAVOR OF THE COLUMBARIUM AND I AM ASSUMING IT WILL GO FORWARD AT SOME FORM. IN ORDER TO GO FORWARD WE HAVE TO DO THOSE TWO EXPENSES. >> CHAIR ROSS: CORRECT. ON TOP OF THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IS DETAILED IN THE 300,000. HOW MANY EXPENSES THERE WILL BE. LIKE, WITH GROUND PENETRATING RADAR IN THE OTHER THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE AHEAD OF TIME FOR THE DEMOLITION WORK, THE FOUNDATION, ALL THESE OTHER THINGS. THE $300,000 IS WHAT COVERS IT. >> BOARD MEMBER: WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT $300,000 IS A PLACE MARK. >> CHAIR ROSS: YES. >> BOARD MEMBER: FOR THE COLUMBARIUM RELATED ISSUES. NOT NECESSARILY THE COLUMBARIUM ITSELF. >> CHAIR ROSS: THAT'S A GOOD WORDING. ALL RIGHT. BUT LET'S TRY TO GET IT OUT OF THE IMPACT FEES. CAN WE GET IT INTO MAKING A MOTION THAT THE COLUMBARIUM EXPENSES BE ADDRESSED IN THE PERPETUAL CARE FUND? DOES THAT WORK FOR PEOPLE? >> BOARD MEMBER: SO I AM CLEAR ON THAT, CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE ADVANTAGE OF ONE OVER THE OTHER? >> CHAIR ROSS: THE COLUMBARIUM IS CURRENTLY IN THE IMPACT FUNDS. IF IT IS GOING TO BE SELF FUNDING THAT MEANS YOU CAN'T PUT IT BACK IN THE IMPACT FUNDS. IF YOU PUT IT IN THE REGULAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS BUDGET OR YOU TAKE IT OUT OF THE PERPETUAL CARE FUND YOU CAN PUT IT BACK IN. ONCE IT LEAVES THE IMPACT FEE FUND IT IS GONE. WE DON'T GET IT BACK. ALL RIGHT? DOES THAT EXPLAIN IT A LITTLE FURTHER? SO, AGAIN, I AM GOING TO ASK THAT WE MAKE A MOTION THAT IT BE COLUMBARIUM AND IT'S RELATED EXPENSES. I CAN EITHER CHANGE IT TO PUT IT IN THE GENERAL FUNDS OR THE PERPETUAL CARE FUNDS ACCOUNT. >> BOARD MEMBER: WHEN YOU SAY RELATED EXPENSES ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE GROUND RADAR? >> CHAIR ROSS: YES. >> BOARD MEMBER: THOSE SHOULD NOT BE IN THE IMPACT FUND ANYWAY. >> CHAIR ROSS: KNOW THEY SHOULD NOT. >> BOARD MEMBER: MAY BE THE MOTION COULD BE EITHER? >> CHAIR ROSS: OR THE CAPITAL FUNDS? WHATEVER. ALL RIGHT? [00:30:03] DO I HEAR A SECOND? >> BOARD MEMBER: I SECOND THE MOTION. >> CHAIR ROSS: ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. >> BOARD MEMBER: I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE BUCCANEER FENCING. DOES THAT COVER THE BATTING CAGES FROM OUR FEBRUARY 9 MEETING? >> BOARD MEMBER: THE BATTING CAGES, WE HAVE EVALUATED THOSE AND THAT IS JUST A NETTING ISSUE HERE TYPICALLY THEIR VOLUNTEERS TAKE CARE OF THAT. IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN PLAYING AND TYPICALLY THEY INSTALL THOSE. THEY TYPICALLY HAVE THE NETTING COMPANY COME OUT AND FIX THOSE UP. IF NOT REALLY THIS FUNDING IS FOR FENCING TO REPLACE THE DETERIORATED EXISTING FENCING. IT DOES NOT SPECIFY THE BATTING CAGES IN THERE. >> BOARD MEMBER: AT THE MEETING THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE BABE RUTH BASEBALL FIELD EMPHASIZE THAT THEY DESPERATELY NEED $25,000 TO REPAIR THE BATTING CAGES PRIOR TO THE START OF THE SEASON SO THEY CAN PARTICIPATE SAFELY IN THE SEASON. I WAS TRYING TO GET US TO RECOMMEND THAT THAT $25,000 BE DEDICATED TO THE PURPOSE BUT THEN I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE UP TO THE COMMISSION TO DECIDE WHAT HAS THE COMMISSION DECIDED? >> CHAIR ROSS: MISS WHITE? >> BOARD MEMBER: THE CITY EVALUATED THE NETTING AND THE BATTING CAGE NETTING IS NOT AN ISSUE. BASICALLY THERE WAS AN AREA WHERE THE KIDS COULD CLIMATE AND WE WILL JUST REMOVE IT. WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO USE THEM THEY ARE GOING TO REINSTALL THE NETTING ITSELF. E ARE GOING TO FUNDS OF THE FENCING AND THEN THEY CAN FUND THE NETTING. >> CHAIR ROSS: AND THEN BABE RUTH REPRESENTATIVE, DO THEY KNOW THAT NOW? >> BOARD MEMBER: THEY HAVE BEEN TOLD. >> CHAIR ROSS: OKAY. >> BOARD MEMBER: INSTEAD OF DOING A PATCH JOB OUT THERE WHEN NOBODY IT IS GOING TO BE IN IMMINENT DANGER TO START THEIR SEASON, WE ARE ACTUALLY DOING SOME REPAIR AND REMOVING SOME REST AREAS WHERE KIDS COULD REACH IT AND PEOPLE COULD CLIMB ON IT BUT WERE NOT REPLACING ANY OF THE CHAIN-LINK. WE ARE WIRING IT TOGETHER WHERE IT IS A PART. WE ARE DOING SOME MINOR REPAIRS. AND THE CITY DOESN'T REALLY NEED TO INVEST $25,000 WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT WOULD COME FROM. YOU'RE GOING TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO HELP LEAK OUT UNTIL THE CITY DECIDES WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE GOING TO FUND THE REQUEST FOR THE FENCING REPLACEMENTS. >> CHAIR ROSS: AS LONG AS THE KIDS ARE SAFE IT SOUNDS LIKE A WISE DECISION. >> CHAIR ROSS: AT THIS POINT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ON MARCH 16, THE CITY COMMISSIONER IS HAVING A WORKSHOP. PART OF THAT DISCUSSION IT IS GOING TO BE THE PARPARKS AND CAPITAL BUDGET.NE THING THAT CAME UP IS THAT THE CITY ONLY APPROVED, THEY WENT BACK TO THE ADJUSTED ROLLBACK RATE LAST YEAR. THAT INCLUDED INFLATION. WE DID GET SOME EXTRA MONEY FOR THAT. THIS YEAR THERE IS A MOVEMENT TO COME TO COME BACK TO THE ROLLBACK RATING WHICH IS LESS MONEY. SO, THE PREVIOUS YEAR WE HAD BUDGETED 146,000 FOR THE KIDDIE POOL, ROOF REPAIR AND A BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS AND $550,000 FOR THE CENTER THAT DEFINITELY NEEDED IT AND THAT WAS FUNDED. HOWEVER, WHAT WE HAVE THE LIST HERE IS ALMOST $3 MILLION OF IMPROVEMENTS. CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT WITH LESS MONEY. AND IT IS FAR MORE THAN WHAT WE HAD THE PREVIOUS YEARS. IT IS GOING TO BE INTERESTING TO HEAR THAT DISCUSSION ON 16 MARCH AT 5:00. IF YOU HAVE SOME CONCERNS YOU MAY WANT TO GET YOUR FRIENDS, NEIGHBORS OR WHOEVER TO START CONTACTING THE CITY COMMISSIONERS. SOME OF THESE ITEMS WILL LIKELY BE CUT IF THERE IS MUCH MORE [00:35:04] MONEY CUT FROM THE BUDGET. THAT IS TOTALLY UP TO THE COMMISSION TO DO THAT. HOWEVER, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANY MOVEMENTS ON YOUR PART TO GET SOME INTEREST FROM THE PUBLIC, IT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED BY THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT. >> BOARD MEMBER: ALSO, IT HELPS THE STAFF AND COMMISSION TO HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE COMMITTEE AND HOW THEY WOULD PRIORITIZE THESE PROPOSED REQUESTS. IN THE PAST, BOARD MEMBER BARTELT, I DON'T THINK THE REST OF YOU GUYS WERE HERE BUT WE USED TO GO OVER WHAT WAS REQUESTED AND YOU GUYS WOULD RANK THEM AND THEN WE WOULD PROVIDE THAT TO THE COMMISSION. >> CHAIR ROSS: WOULD THAT BE HELPFUL? >> BOARD MEMBER: IT IS PRETTY HELPFUL. IT GOES FARTHER THAN SAYING WHAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDS. >> BOARD MEMBER: MAY I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT ONE OF THE ITEMS MET IN CONVERTING THE MLK PRODUCT THIS BALLFIELDS IS THAT THE SOFTBALL FIELD? OKAY. I KNOW THEY CAME TO US ABOUT A YEAR AND 1/2 AGO TO ASK ABOUT THAT. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. THAT IS FOR GIRLS ALL BUT THAT FIELD IS PROPOSED TO BE CONVERTED? >> CHAIR ROSS: RIGHT NOW IT IS A PRACTICE FIELD. NO IRRIGATION. MR. BOARD MEMBER BARTELT? >> BOARD MEMBER: YES GOOD I HAVE IS ABOUT A THE THING THAT ARE ON THE LIST. THE, IS IT POSSIBLE WITH THE BUCCANEER FENCING TO SPLIT THAT OVER TWO YEARS? OR DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> CHAIR ROSS: ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE. >> BOARD MEMBER: $600,000 IS A LOT OF MONEY. WE KEEP PUSHING US BACK. >> BOARD MEMBER: AS WE KEEP MOVING ON IT GET MORE AND MORE EXPENSIVE. BUT IF THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE BECAUSE WERE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIND IT THAT IS AN OPTION. >> BOARD MEMBER: I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS TO FIND PLACES WHERE THERE IS A LITTLE SOFTNESS WHERE WE CAN MOVE THINGS AROUND A LITTLE BIT. POSSIBLY YOU COULD CUT THAT AMOUNT IN HALF AND SPREAD IT OVER TWO YEARS? I AM JUST ASKING THE QUESTION. >> BOARD MEMBER: THE OTHER ONES THAT YOU ARE GOING TO DEFER, THOSE THAT ARE BEING DEFERRED TO LOWER THE BUDGET ¦ >> CHAIR ROSS: I AM DEFERRING THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT AS IMPERATIVE AS THE ONE THAT ARE ON THEIR. IS A STAFF DECISION BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND THAT'S WHY WE ARE PUSHING THINGS DOWN. WHO KNOWS HOW LONG IT WILL EVER GET DONE. >> BOARD MEMBER: RETROFITTING THE TENNIS COURTS WITH LED LIGHTING CAN BE PUSHED BACK? THE TENNIS COURTS ARE ADEQUATELY LIGHTED IS JUST A MATTER OF WHEN YOU WANT TO MAKE THE TRANSITION TO SAVE ENERGY? >> CHAIR ROSS: AND OUR WARRANTY IS OUT. >> BOARD MEMBER: HOW FAR BACK WOULD YOU DO FOR THAT? >> CHAIR ROSS: I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE CIP FOR WHAT WE HAVE IN THE NEXT YEAR AND THE NEXT YEAR AND EVALUATE THAT. OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD I CANNOT TELL YOU THAT BUT, NEXT MONTH, IN APRIL WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THIS BUT TOGETHER SO WE CAN SEE ALL FIVE YEARS JUST PARKS AND. NOT THE ENTIRE CITY. WE DON'T NEED TO SEE ALL OF THAT. I WILL HAVE IT WHERE IT IS EASIER FOR YOU TO READ THEN WHAT IS PROVIDED BY THE CITY. I WILL HAVE IT IN A DIFFERENT FORMAT. AND THEN ALSO HOW OUR OPERATING BUDGET WORK SO YOU CAN SEE HOW WE START WITH ZERO DOLLARS AND HOW EVERYTHING IS ITEMIZED AS TO WHAT THE ITEM IS AND HOW MUCH IT WILL COST TO GIVE YOU A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE OPERATION. >> BOARD MEMBER: OKAY. ONCRETE CURBING FOR EGANS CREEK PARK. IT'S NOT A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY BUT WHY? WHY DO WE NEED THAT? >> BOARD MEMBER: CURRENTLY COMING OFF THE HILL ON WOLF STREET THE WATER SHEETS OVER TO PARKING LOT AND PARKED. THE HANDICAP ACCESS THAT COMES [00:40:03] OVER WITH ALL THE DIRT AND MUD COME IN AND COVER THE SIDEWALKS. >> BOARD MEMBER: IS A STORMWATER ISSUE. IT IS DEFERRED TO PARKS & RECREATION TO PAY FOR IT. >> BOARD MEMBER: WHY? WHY CAN'T WE HAVE STORMWATER DEAL WITH THAT? >> CHAIR ROSS: I ASKED THE SAME QUESTION. THE COMMENTS GIVEN WAS THAT IT IS STILL GOING TO COME OUT OF THE SAME HE SAME FUNDS. IT COMES OUT OF THE GENERAL FUNDS. >> BOARD MEMBER: OKAY. THEN CONVERTING THE MLK PRACTICE FIELD INTO A PLAYING FIELD IS $230,000. CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY IT COSTS SO MUCH MONEY? >> BOARD MEMBER: THIS AMOUNT FROM OVER A YEAR AGO WAS BASED ON ALL ASPECTS OF THE FIELD INCLUDING THE LIGHTING. THIS COULD ACTUALLY BE REEVALUATED AND REDUCED TO INCLUDE THE FLIPPING OF THE FIELD SO THAT WILL REQUIRE ALL THE FENCING TO BE COMING DOWN AND BE DONE WHICH IS A BIG FENCE, WE KNOW. THE IRRIGATION REMOVING ALL THE CLAY, PUTTING IN THE SOD, WE HAVE HAVE FEATURES AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE DUGOUT WHICH ARE CONSTRUCTED, THE ONES THAT WE HAVE ARE CONSTRUCTED OF BLOCKS. SO IF YOU DON'T PUT THE LIGHTING IN NOW WHICH YOU CAN ALWAYS WAIT ON THAT. YOU COULD PROBABLY REDUCE THAT BY I WOULD SAY $130,000. >> BOARD MEMBER: WOW. OKAY. >> BOARD MEMBER: YOU WOULD STILL HAVE THE KIDS BEING ABLE TO PLAY DURING THE DAY. >> BOARD MEMBER: RIGHT. AND THEN THE GROUP THAT WANTS TO DO THIS, THE GIRLS SOFTBALL, THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER BASEBALL DIAMONDS OR PLAYING FIELDS WHERE THEY COULD BE SCHEDULED IN TO PLAY THEIR? >> BOARD MEMBER: NO. BECAUSE, DO WE HAVE SUCH FIELD AND THERE IS ENOUGH TIME AVAILABLE? OR TIMES AVAILABLE? >> BOARD MEMBER: RIGHT. THESE LEAKS ARE SEASONAL AND THEY ARE GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME SO IT IS HARD TO CROSS UTILIZE. >> BOARD MEMBER: MY LAST QUESTION REFERS TO WHAT YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE GOING TO POSTPONE ANYWAY THE RESTROOMS AT NORTH BEACH. THAT PART IS NOT OWNED BY THE CITY. RIGHT? >> BOARD MEMBER: PORTIONS OF THE PARK ARE OWNED BY THE CITY. >> CHAIR ROSS: SLIVERS ON THE SIDE. >> BOARD MEMBER: BY THE STATE? >> BOARD MEMBER: WE PAY 3 AND A DOLLARS PER YEAR FOR A PORTION OF NORTH BEACH PARK. THE REMAINING PORTION IS OWNED BY THE CITY. >> BOARD MEMBER: OKAY. PRESUMABLY SOME THOUGHT HAS GONE INTO WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN GET THE STATE TO PAY FOR SOME OF IT? >> BOARD MEMBER: NO. [LAUGHTER] >> BOARD MEMBER: I'M NAC/VE ABOUT IT. >> CHAIR ROSS: WE ALL LIKE THAT THOUGHT. >> BOARD MEMBER: IF I COULD ASK A QUESTION ABOUT ONE THING IT IS NOT ON THIS LIST. IT REALLY ISN'T IMPORTANT FOR THIS COMING BUDGET CYCLE. IT IS A QUESTION THAT I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED IS THE ITEM TO FORMALIZE THE PARKING AT CENTRAL PARK. ALONG WHAT IS 11TH STREET WAS ON THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS BUDGET BUT THEN IT DISAPPEARED? >> BOARD MEMBER: IT IS ON THERE IT'S JUST NOT IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. >> BOARD MEMBER: THE RATIONALE FOR THAT BEING ON THERE, SO PEOPLE CAN THINK ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT IT IS IS THAT AS PARKING DOWNTOWN BECOMES EVEN WORSE THAN IT IS RIGHT NOW AND THIS IS LIKE MARCH AND YOU CAN'T FIND A PLACE TO PARK. THIS SUMMER IT IS GOING TO BE INCREDIBLE. THAT THAT PARKING AREA COULD BECOME A SATELLITE PARKING LOT WITH A SHUTTLE TO DOWNTOWN. THAT MIGHT WORK TO ALLEVIATE THE PARKING. >> BOARD MEMBER: I WILL HAVE YOU TALKED TO THE LEAKS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THERE IS OVERFLOW WHEN IT IS GAME DAY YOU'RE IN THE EVENING WHEN THEY HAVE THEIR PRACTICES. >> BOARD MEMBER: I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT IS ALL ÃALWAYS BE AVAILABLE BUT AT CERTAIN TIMES ON A WEEKEND OR SOMETHING WHEN PARKING IS REALLY DIFFICULT, [00:45:06] I'M JUST RAISING THE QUESTION. >> CHAIR ROSS: WOULDN'T BE PARKING LOT REMAIN THE SAME SIZE WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS MATERIAL ON IT OR NOT? RIGHT NOW IT'S A LITTLE DIRT PARKING LOT AND I WOULD HAPPILY PROPOSE THAT IT BE SURFACED ANYWAY. >> BOARD MEMBER: WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS APPROVING IT TO WHAT EXTENT I DON'T KNOW. RIGHT NOW IT'S SORT OF GRASS AND DIRT AND WHATEVER. AND HAVING IT AS A MORE FORMALIZED PARKING FOR PEOPLE COMING FROM OFF THE ISLAND OR OUT OF TOWN OR WHATEVER AND THERE IS A KIOSK FOR READING FOR A SHUTTLE OR WHATEVER? >> CHAIR ROSS: I THINK WE ARE GOING TO START BUILDING THAT UP WHEN WE GET TO CONNECTIVITY. WE MIGHT HAVE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO DEAL WITH THAT. YES MA'AM? I HAVE ASSISTED THE WOMEN THEY GAVE US THE LIST THEY PRIORITIZE THEM ACCORDING TO WHAT THE STAFF FEEL LIKE WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE. CAN YOU DO THAT AGAIN FOR US RATHER THAN US SAYING THIS IS WHAT WE PRIORITIZE? WE MAY BE PICKING NUMBER 4 AND THAT MIGHT BE YOUR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION. I THINK IT IS HELPFUL FOR THE COMMITTEE TO HAVE PEOPLE DO THIS. >> CHAIR ROSS: WE ARE BRINGING THIS BACK ON NEXT MONTH'S AGENDA. THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. >> BOARD MEMBER: IT WOULD BE BASED ON WHAT THE STAFF RECOMMENDS AND THEN YOU CAN EVALUATE THAT. >> BOARD MEMBER: THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. THE OTHER PIECE IF THAT IS ARE YOU UPDATING THE CAPITAL PLAN, THE FIVE YEARS? >> BOARD MEMBER: YES. I MENTIONED IT A FEW MINUTES AGO. YOU HAVE AGO. YOU HAVE IT BECAUSE THE CITY MANAGER WANTED YOU TO HAVE THIS, THE WHOLE CITY. YOU WANTED TO SEE IT NOW BUT, I AM SURE THAT THAT IT IS GOING TO CHANGE. >> BOARD MEMBER: I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THE NEW MEMBERS. IT ALSO SHOWS THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN ON THERE FOR A LONG TIME THAT HAVE BEEN DONE OR NEVER GOT ANY MOMENTUM. SO PEOPLE COULD SEE SOME OF THOSE. >> BOARD MEMBER: I WAS GOING TO PUT IT ON SOMETHING MORE LEGIBLE BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT IT COMES TO YOU, IT IS DIFFICULT. I THINK IT WAS ON A DIFFERENT YEAR BUT IF I CAN PUT IT WITH THE LARGE BACKGROUNDS AND EASIER FOR YOU GUYS TO IDENTIFY BY DEPARTMENT. >> BOARD MEMBER: I PRINTED IT OUT OF THE BUDGET MYSELF BECAUSE IT'S ALSO HELPFUL TO SHOW WHERE THE MONEY IS COMING FROM FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS. WE LOOKED AT IT BUT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL. >> BOARD MEMBER: I WILL DO IT TO WHERE YOU CAN SEE IT AND UNDERSTAND IT. >> BOARD MEMBER: HERE'S WHAT WE RECOMMEND. WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHERE THE STAFF IS COMING. >> BOARD MEMBER: I THINK THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE STAFF IS LOOKING FOR IS FOR NEXT YEAR HERE NOT FOR THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN. >> BOARD MEMBER: RIGHT. RIGHT. THAT WAS MY FIRST QUESTION. SORRY, MY SECOND QUESTION IS, THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION AT THE COMMISSIONERS MEETING ABOUT WORKING WITH THE COUNTY. THE COMMISSIONER INDICATED THAT HE FELT THAT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING. ARE THERE ANY OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS REGARDING THIS? GIVEN THE NUMBER OF COUNTY PARTICIPANTS IN THESE PROGRAMS? >> BOARD MEMBER: THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT WOULD NOT BE THE DEPARTMENT THAT IT SHOULD APPROACH. >> BOARD MEMBER: I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WERE ANY DISCUSSIONS OR IF YOU ARE AWARE OF ANYTHING. WE ARE CONTINUING TO SPEND MONEY. >> BOARD MEMBER: I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WEBSITE. I KNOW THERE IS A CITY MEETING AND I BELIEVE THAT THEY SCHEDULED THE FUNDS FOR NAAND ALSO COUNTY. I KNOW THAT THEY HIRED A NEW PARPARKS & RECREATION DIRECTOR. >> CHIP ROSS, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THE CITY ASKED THE COUNTY FOR $500,000 AND THAT DIDN'T GO TOO WELL. SECOND, FOR ALVAREZ FIELDS. SECOND, THERE IT IS GOING TO BE [00:50:05] A JOINT MEETING BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY AND THAT IS ONE THING THAT WELCOME UP. THIRD, IF YOU LOOK AT THE COUNTY MASTER PLAN FOR RECREATION I URGE YOU ALL TO GO LOOK AT IT. THERE IS NOT ONE PENNY IN THERE, NOT ONE PENNY FOR ANY CITY THINGS. AND I MEET WITH SOME OF THE OTHER COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WHO TAUGHT THIS MATTER UP. LET'S JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. I THINK IT'S NOT GOING TO BE, I DON'T THINK THEY ARE GOING TO BE FORTHCOMING WITH A LOT OF MONEY. I HAVE HIGH HOPES AND EXTREMELY LOW EXPECTATIONS. >> BOARD MEMBER: I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO NOTE THAT NOT ONLY IS THERE NO MONEY FOR THE CITY THERE'S NO MONEY FOR THE COUNTY. >> SPEAKER: THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER STORY. >> BOARD MEMBER: FOR US THERE'S NOTHING BEING DONE AT ALL FOR THE COUNTY RESIDENTS. >> BOARD MEMBER: WHICH IS WHY OUR STUFF IS BEING OVER UTILIZED. >> BOARD MEMBER: EXACTLY. WHEN I SEE THINGS LIKE 3 AND A $60,000 FOR FENCING, I THINK, WAIT A MINUTE. THIS IS NOT JUST A BUNCH OF CITY KIDS. RUNNING AROUND THE FIELD. >> SPEAKER: A POINT OF INFORMATION, IF YOU GO TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE FOR THE PACKET FOR THE COMING UP WORKSHOP MEETING AND SOMEBODY TOOK THE Ã WELL, THAT WAS ME. SOMEONE ENCRYPTED UP AND YOU CAN SEE. >> BOARD MEMBER: I TRIED. [LAUGHTER] >> SPEAKER: I AM SURE. DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT IT IS GOING ON? >> BOARD MEMBER: THANK YOU. >> CHAIR ROSS: THE SUBJECT OF THE MASTER PLAN HAS COME UP A FEW TIMES. COULD YOU GIVE A REPORT TO THE COMMISSION THERE ARE PARTS OF THE MASTER PLAN THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED. PEOPLE READ THE ARTICLE AND THEY FOUND SOME BAD IDEAS THAT THE PARKS & RECREATION HAD PROPOSED AND THERE WAS A RUMOR THAT WE WERE GOING TO USE THESE. AND THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE ASKING ME, WHERE DID THESE COME FROM AND THE BEST THING I COULD TRACE IS THAT THERE WAS A 2015 REPORT AND WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THAT, CAN WE BURN IT? [LAUGHTER] >> BOARD MEMBER: THAT'S WHAT WE ARE DEALING WITH IN 8.1. THAT WAS DONE IN 2015 AND IT WAS DONE WITH THE PUBLIC AND INTERVIEWS WITH CITY COMMISSIONERS AND THIS WHOLE THING WAS PUT TOGETHER. SO, MISS BROWN, WOULD YOU MIND PUTTING HAT INFORMATION OUT THAT I SENT? BECAUSE, THERE ARE, THE CITY MANAGER HAS ASKED US TO REDO PTHE MASTER PLAN. WE GET TO CHANGE ALL OF THAT. >> BOARD MEMBER: ARE YOU DONE WITH SEVEN? >> BOARD MEMBER: I HAVE A QUESTION. >> CHAIR ROSS: YES SIR? >> BOARD MEMBER: THE BIG ITEM UP THERE FOR 1/4 OF A MILLION WAS THE REAL POINT PECK CENTER. WHAT IS THAT? >> BOARD MEMBER: THEY ARE DOING HALF OF IT THIS YEAR AND THE OTHER HALF NEXT YEAR. >> BOARD MEMBER: REPOINTING? > CHAIR ROSS: IT IS DETERIORATING. >> BOARD MEMBER: THE BUILDING IS FAILING STRUCTURALLY. >> BOARD MEMBER: IS A ONE 1/2 MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT AND THAT IS A HARD BID.HE STATE AND WE HAVE APPLIED FOR A GRANT WITH THE STATE FOR $500,000 AND HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BE FUNDED 250,000 WILL GO INTO THIS YEAR'S BUDGET TO 50,000 FOR NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET AND THAT STILL LEAVES $500,000 FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO REAPPOINT THE BUILDING. THE BUILDING IS NOT POINTED. IT IT IS BECOMING A STRUCTURAL IT'S A LOT OF MONEY. AND IT'S BEEN PUT OFF FOR YEARS. AND THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AND THE WINDOWS NEED TO BE REPLACED. IF THE STATE DOESN'T COME THROUGH WITH THE $500,000, IT WELCOME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. >> BOARD MEMBER: IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT INVESTMENT YOU CAN EVER MAKE. >> CHAIR ROSS: YES. [00:55:02] >> BOARD MEMBER: IS HAVING EXPERIENCED ÃI TOOK MY MOM THEREFORE THE SHOP. THEY DID A GREAT JOB. IT'S NOT ONLY WHEN YOU ARE SITTING THERE DOING IT AT THE COMMUNITY SERVICE BUT THERE'S ALSO A HISTORY TOUR BECAUSE WHILE I WAS SITTING THERE WAITING FOR MY MOM TO RECUPERATE FROM HER SHOT, I SAW MY GRANDMOTHER'S NAME LISTED ON ONE OF THE HALLWAYS THERE. >> B>> SPEAKER: IT IS A GREAT BUILDING BUT IT IS ONE HALF MILLION DOLLARS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WELCOME UP TO GO BACK TO THE ROLLBACK RATE, WHERE WILL THE MONEY COME FROM TO FIX THAT? >> CHAIR ROSS: OKAY. >> BOARD MEMBER: ONE LESS QUESTION ABOUT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. AT THE NEXT MEETING, NAN YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE THIS GUY, THE BIG THING? NOT FOR THE WHOLE CITY? >> BOARD MEMBER: JUST FOR PARKS & RECREATION. >> BOARD MEMBER: A COMPREHENSIVE LIST OVER THE FIVE YEARS? >> BOARD MEMBER: THAT IS THE 303 10 FUNDS? >> BOARD MEMBER: YES, BOTH GOOD. >> CHAIR ROSS: ALL RIGHT, MISS BROWN? I SENT SOME INFORMATION AND GUIDE NOTES TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE THAT THE CITY MANAGER WANTS US TO REDO THE MASTER PLAN. THE ONES THAT WE ALL SEEM TO HAVE GREAT DIFFICULTIES WITH. HERE WE GO. 8.1. [8.1 Planning for a List of Services Report] THE FIRST THING THE PLANNING SERVICES AND FACILITIES. I WENT THROUGH THE MASTER PLAN AND WENT THROUGH THE NATIONAL PARKS AND RECREATION ASSOCIATION. THERE IS A NEW PROGRAM CALLED GRASS, IS A NEW SOFTWARE. THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF TOOLS FOR THE MASTER PLAN BUT WE ARE GOING TO MAKE IT'S SIMPLE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY FOR US TO GET TOGETHER IS THE LIST OF SERVICES AND FACILITIES. THE REASON WE HAVE TO DO THAT IS NOT ONLY TO DO THE MASTER PLAN REVIEW BUT IF WERE GOING TO DO A SURVEY AS THAT WAS DONE IN THE LAST ONE AND USE THE LIST TO DETERMINE IF WE HAVE REPLICATION OF SERVICES. I WOULD LIKE A RECOMMENDATION TO STAFF TO COMPLETE THE TABLED 2.1 THAT IS IN THERE ALREADY IN THE EXISTING MASTER PLAN AND HAVE A PROPOSED DATE OF COMPLETION. THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. IT IS REALLY SIMPLE. NOTHING EXCITING. WE HAVE ADDED SOME THINGS AND IN ORDER FOR US TO DETERMINE OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE WE NEED TO KNOW HOW MANY ACRES EVERYTHING IS, WHAT DO WE HAVE AND HOW MUCH WE CAN ATTRIBUTE TO EACH PERSON IN THE CITY.NOW, NAN WOULD YOU GIVE US SOME BACKGROUND WHAT OCCURRED LAST TIME? >> SPEAKER: THE PREVIOUS OR EXISTING MASTER PLAN FOR PARKS AND RECREATION WAS FUNDED BY A STATE GRANTS. IT WAS THE PROCESS THAT WENT OUT TO HIGHER BARK ROOM AND ASSOCIATES FOR THE BID HERE THEY MET WITH STAFF. AND, I WAS FAMILIAR WITH THEM BECAUSE HE WORKS AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT CITIES AROUND THE STATE OF FLORIDA. AND, THEY HAD PREPARED A SURVEY THAT WAS SENT OUT. THEY HAD A BIG MEETING HERE WHERE ABOUT 30 PEOPLE CAME AND THEY HAD DIFFERENT AREAS SET UP WHERE YOU COULD PUT YOUR STICKY NOTE ON WHAT YOU LIKE AND WHAT YOU WERE IN FAVOR OF. THEY ALSO HELD A MEETING AT THE RECEPTION ROOM WHICH WAS SIMILAR TO THIS. BUT, THEY WERE DISCUSSING MOST OF THE STATE PARK WAS BROUGHT UP. IT WAS WHO WAS IN THE AUDIENCE. THEY COMPILED OR EVALUATED . WE GAVE THEM ALL THE MATERIAL AND WHAT WE HAD AND WHERE IT WAS. AND WHAT YEAR IT WAS BUILT AS WELL. BUT THAT IS NOT IN HERE. >> CHAIR ROSS: HOW WE PUBLIC MEETINGS DID THEY HAVE? >> SPEAKER: ACCORDING TO THE MASTER PLAN, IT SAYS TO. IT SAYS THAT WE WENT TO MORE THAN TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS. IT SAYS THE ONE HERE BUT I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE ONE AT THE RECEPTION ROOM, ONE OF THE ATLANTIC CENTER AND THEN THEY [01:00:02] MET WITH INDIVIDUALS. MET AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL WITH THE MIDDLE SCHOOL KIDS AND THEY MET WITH EACH INDIVIDUAL COMMISSIONER. SO IT WAS A PIE IN THE SKY. IF YOU COULD HAVE ANYTHING WHAT WOULD IT BE? AND THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE HAD. AND OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE RECOGNIZED WHAT THE PAST RECOMMENDATIONS THAT A LOT OF THESE THINGS AREN'T FEASIBLE. WE DON'T HAVE THE PROPERTY TO IMPLEMENT SOME OF THESE THINGS. MAYBE THE LOCAL COMMUNITY IS NOT IN FAVOR OF SOME OF THESE NAME CHANGES AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. SO, THAT IS THE HISTORY. I MEAN, IT IS REALLY PRETTY. REALLY PRETTY. AND IT IS REALLY PRICEY. AND, IT IS NOT FEASIBLE WITH THE AMOUNT OF PROPERTY THAT WE OWN. AND THE COST THAT IT WOULD BE TOO TRY TO MANIPULATE THE DIFFERENT PARKS AS THEY CURRENTLY EXIST. >> CHAIR ROSS: MISS BROWN WOULD YOU GIVE US THE NEXT PAGE? [8.2 Planning for a Master Plan Review] OKAY. I SAT DOWN WITH MISS BOYD AND WE PICKED THREE DATES AT THREE DIFFERENT FACILITIES. THIS IS NOT MEAN WE ARE DOING THIS IT JUST MEANS THAT THESE ARE DATES THAT HAVE. [BLEEP] BEEN SET ASIDE AT THESE FACILITIES. WE NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT THERE IS COVID 19 GOING ON. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WOULD RATHER PARTICIPATE ONLINE RATHER THAN SHOW UP FOR A MEETING. DAN HAS ADDRESSED HOW THINGS WERE DONE IN THE PAST AND WE ALSO HAVE TO ADDRESS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO GET PEOPLE INTERESTED IN THIS IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE IN IT. NEXT PAGE? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAN BE ATTAINED OUT FROM ALL OF THE LITERATURE THAT I HAVE REVIEWED DEALING WITH THE MASTER PLAN IS THAT WE HAVE GONE AWAY FROM ALL OF THE STUFF THAT WAS WRITTEN IN THE BEGINNING, THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, AND IT HAS TOTALLY CHANGED. AND, THIS IS FROM OUR PRESENT MASTER PLAN. HE SAYS, BOTH SCORED AND THAT'S THE STATE RECREATION PLAN AND THE NATIONAL RECREATION AND PARKS ADVISORY COMMITTEE ADVISES GOVERNMENTS TO CREATE THEIR OWN STANDARDS BASED ON THEIR NEEDS AND DESIRES AND VALUES. AND SO, FROM THAT POINT OF VIEW, MOST OF THE LITERATURE PARTICULARLY AWAY FROM THE NATIONAL RECREATION AND PARKS ASSOCIATION HAS SORT OF SAID, LOOK. EVERYBODY HAS A UNIQUE SITUATION AND WE ON AN ISLAND HAVE A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION IN OUR BEACHES AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE OFFERED. THERE ARE TWO COMPONENTS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THAT WERE DONE IN THE MASTER PLAN, DONE IN 2015. ONE THAT WE DO AN ONLINE SURVEY AND TO THAT IF WE CAN HAVE A FEW PUBLIC WORKSHOPS THAT NUMBER ONE STARTS OUT GIVING A LITTLE HISTORY. HERE IS THE PROGRESS WE HAVE MADE. AND THEN, GET THEIR INPUT AS TO THE QUESTIONS FROM THE MASTER PLAN, THESE WERE THE ONES THAT WERE ASKED. I THINK I ADDED ONE. THEY WANTED THE END, NUMBER 6 WHICH GOES INTO CONNECTIVITY BECAUSE EVERYONE SEEMS AT THIS POINT TO BE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE PARKING. AND, THIS WAS A STATEMENT THAT WAS IN THE MASTER PLAN ON NUMBER 6. AND, THIS IS ONLY SOMETHING TO GET THEM TALKING ABOUT WHAT THEY CONSIDER TO BE CONNECTIVITY AND HOW QUICKLY WE CAN REDUCE THE NEED FOR PARKING WHEN WE CAN DO SOME OTHER MULTI MODAL CONNECTIVITY THINGS. SO, THESE ARE SOME VERY BASIC QUESTIONS THAT CAN BE DONE IN A FOCUS GROUP AT A PUBLIC HEARING AND THIS IS WHAT WAS DONE IN THE PAST. THOSE WERE THE FIVE QUESTIONS OR FOUR QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED. AND, THEY ARE VERY SIMPLE. THEY DON'T TAKE LONG. THEY GET PEOPLE TALKING. AND, YOU GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THEM IN THOSE AREAS. NOW, I AM OPEN TO ANY CHANGES TO THIS. I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU SOME [01:05:01] INFORMATION AND HAVE MISS BOYT FORWARD THIS PACKET TO YOU SO THAT YOU CAN TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT IT TO SEE IF YOU LIKE THIS IDEA OR NOT. WHAT TYPICALLY HAPPENS AND I HAVE HAD SOME TRAINING WITH THIS. WAS TRAINED BY THE STATE OF MARYLAND DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION AND ALSO WITH STAFF DEVELOPMENT. IT IS THAT YOU START OFF WITH SMALL LITTLE BRIEF PRESENTATION HISTORIES OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN. THEN, YOU CAN HAVE CHAIRS AROUND THE ROOM AND YOU CAN HAVE ONE PERSON WITH AN EASEL. THEY START UP THE CONVERSATION AND ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS. THEN YOU JUST WRITE DOWN EVERYTHING AND KEEP THEM ON TASK. IT WOULD COME TO SOME STAFF MEMBERS TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS. MEMBERS COULD ALSO VOLUNTEER TO BE FOCUS GROUPS AND RECORDERS. IF YOU SO CHOOSE. THAT WOULD BE TOTALLY UP TO YOU. AND WE WOULD PROBABLY NEED AT LEAST FIVE. AND AT THAT TIME WHEN WE GET EVERYONE'S INPUT WE COULD ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO THE ONLINE SURVEY. CAN WE GO TO THE NEXT PAGE? THERE ARE TWO WAYS TO CONDUCT A FOCUS GROUP. I FORGOT. ONE CAN BE THE BASIC PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTIONS THAT I PUT IN THERE OR YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO TO THE FACILITY BASE WHICH IS WHAT DOCTOR BARTH ADDED WHERE HE WENT AND PUT THE STICKIES AROUND. PTHAT CAN BE ADDRESSED AND LESS WORK FOR US IF IT IS PUT IN THE SURVEY THAT THEY CAN TELL YOU WHAT THEY LIKE ABOUT A FACILITY AND WHAT THEY DON'T LIKE ABOUT A FACILITY RATHER THAN DOING THE WHOLE PUT THE STICKY UP. NEXT ONE. IN THE 2015 MASTER PLAN WHEN IT WAS DONE WITH A TOTAL OF 624 PEOPLE WHO RESPONDED TO THE SURVEY. >> BOARD MEMBER: THAT IS PRETTY GOOD. >> CHAIR ROSS: THAT'S REALLY GOOD. THEY MAILED IT HARD COPY THROUGH THE CITY UTILITY BILLS AND IT WAS ALSO AVAILABLE ONLINE BY WAY OF SURVEY MONKEY. THERE WERE TWO AVENUES THAT THEY UTILIZED. AFTER SPEAKING WITH A FEW PEOPLE I THINK I AM GOING TO GO TO MISS AMBER AND ASK HER WHAT IS THE BEST WAY THAT THE CITY MIGHT WANT TO REACH PEOPLE WITH THIS INFORMATION WITH THE SURVEY. SO THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OVER 624 PEOPLE CONTACTED. >> BOARD MEMBER: WE ALREADY HAVE THAT FROM WHEN I REACHED OUT TO HER LAST TIME SAYING THAT WE WANTED TO CREATE THE SURVEY AND WE NEEDED HER HELP. >> CHAIR ROSS: WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. >> BOARD MEMBER: SHE WON'T BE SURPRISED.>> CHAIR ROSS: THERE WERE ONLY 17 QUESTIONS IN THE SURVEY THAT WERE ALREADY IN THE 2015 MASTER PLAN AND I WOULD SAY ALMOST ALL OF THEM WERE OVER TODAY. WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO CHANGE ANYTHING WHICH WOULD MAKE OUR LIVES MUCH EASIER. THE NEXT SLIDE PLEASE? USING THOSE PARTICULAR MASTER-PLANNED QUESTIONS, THERE MAY BE SOME QUESTIONS THAT MAY NEED SOME DATING. THESE WERE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS. THE TYPE OF PARKS AND OPEN SPACES WERE MOST IMPORTANT FOR YOU. CHECK ALL THAT APPLY AND THESE WERE THE RESULTS THAT WERE GIVEN IN THE MASTER PLAN. WHAT IMPROVEMENTS, WHAT HAVE YOU MADE, THEY HAD SOME PRETTY GOOD QUESTIONS. NEXT SLIDE? THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE NATIONAL RECREATION PARKS ASSOCIATION ARE YOUR QUESTIONS TO CONDUCT AND EASE ASSESSMENT. THE COMMUNITY ACTIVATION QUESTIONS AND THAT MEANS THAT YOU NEED TO FIND OUT WHO IS USING YOUR FACILITIES AND HOW MUCH? IT IS NICE THAT YOU BUILD IT BUT ARE THEY COMING IN USING IT? THAT IS THE QUESTION TYPE NUMBER ONE. THEY WANT A SATISFACTION QUESTION FOR A MASTER PLAN TO BE RELEVANT AND OF COURSE THE NEEDS AND PRIORITIES. WHAT DO THEY WANT IN THE FUTURE AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT? THEY MADE IT PRETTY SIMPLE. THEY HAD REALLY GOOD SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO UP DATE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS. [01:10:02] LET'S JUST GO DOWN A LITTLE FURTHER. THIS IS A FACILITY ACTIVATION AND HOW MUCH DO YOU USE IT? RIGHT? THE COMMUNITY SATISFACTION AND REALLY SIMPLE QUESTIONS. CUSTOMER SERVICE, THROUGH THIS TO THE HOURS AND SCHEDULE FIT? IN THE NEXT ONE? THESE ARE PRIORITIES. I DON'T THINK WE COULD USE THIS QUITE THE WAY IT IS BUT DOES THE BALLFIELD FULLY MEET MOSTLY MEAT OR PARTLY ME YOUR EXPECTATIONS OR YOUR NEEDS. AND, IF YOU HAVE THE LIST OF ACTIVITIES OR PROGRAMS THAT WE HAD IN THE CITY AND YOU ASK HOW WELL ARE WE MEETING YOUR NEEDS WITH THIS THAN THEY CAN TELL YOU WHAT THEY WANT. 17 QUESTIONS. AT THIS POINT. I WOULD LIKE SOME FEEDBACK. IS ANYONE INTERESTED IN DOING THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON THE SURVEY QUESTIONS OR IS THIS WAY TOO MUCH FOR THE COMMITTEE TO DIGEST AND SHOULD STAFF DO ALL OF THIS? >> BOARD MEMBER: I HAVE A QUESTION. MY FIRST QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE GOAL OF THIS? WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS TAKE THE TIME TO DO THIS AND THEN WE GET ANOTHER WISH LIST OF WE NEED THIS, WE NEED THIS. WE ARE SITTING HERE TALKING ABOUT WE DON'T HAVE FUNDS TO DO THINGS AND PUTTING OUT THERE, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE? TO ME IT MAY OR MAY NOT MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WERE GOING TO GET BACK AND GO THIS IS USABLE, SO, HOW DO WE, WHAT IS THE GOAL OF THIS? IS IT TO PROVIDE THE COMMISSIONERS WITH THE BACK ON WHAT THE PUBLIC REASONABLY WANTS? OR HOW WE ARE DOING WITH WHAT WE HAVE? >> CHAIR ROSS: ROLL IT BACK TO THE THREE QUESTION TYPES. GO THE OTHER WAY. OKAY. ONE IS TO ASSESS THE ACTIVITY LEVEL. IF WE FIND THAT PEOPLE AREN'T USING THE SERVICE WE WANT TO TAKE IT OUT. IF THERE IS AN OVERLOAD IN ONE SPECIFIC SERVICE AREA THEN WE CAN ADD AND TAKE OUT THE OTHERS THAT MIGHT NOT BE NEEDING SERVICE. THAT IS THE PURPOSE. THE SECOND SET OF QUESTIONS IS HOW WELL ARE WE DOING? IS THERE AN ISSUE WITH ANY OF THE FACILITIES? IS THE FACILITY CLEAN? AND THE THIRD ONE IS, WHAT ARE THEIR NEEDS AND PRIORITIES? IF THEY ARE TO PRIORITIZE AND ACTIVITY THAT THEY ARE INVOLVED IN, HOW IMPORTANT IS THAT? IF WE COME TO A BUDGET AND WE HAVE TO CUT CERTAIN THINGS WHAT ARE PRIORITIES TO THAT?HAT IS IT NEEDED? IT WORKS BOTH WAYS. IT CAN TELL US WHAT THEY WANT AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT WERE GOING TO GET IT IF SOMETHING IS A PRIORITY FOR A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THEN, THAT IS WHERE THE MONEY NEEDS TO GO. >> BOARD MEMBER: I THINK I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE INITIAL QUESTIONS WITH THE FOCUS GROUPS. WITH THAT DATE OUT WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO GET FROM THEM? ARE WE TRYING TO GET THAT TYPE OF DATA WITH VERY SPECIFIC THINGS RATHER THAN WHAT PROGRAMS AND IMPROVEMENTS YOU WANT TO SEE WHICH IS A PRETTY GENERAL QUESTION. >> CHAIR ROSS: THAT IS WHY I AM ASKING THE SUBCOMMITTEE IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO.[LAUGHTER] >> BOARD MEMBER: IN A REALITY CHECK IN ADDITION TO THE SURVEY, WOULD IT HAVE SUMS SORT OF CHECK ON THE USAGE? IT COULD BE THAT WE HAVE THE INDUSTRY PARK AND ALL I HEAR IS THAT PEOPLE LOVE IT. AND SOMEHOW THEY COME UP WITH A SURVEY THAT IS UNDERUTILIZED. THAT WOULD BE THE SURVEY AND LET'S SAY 524 PEOPLE AND 40 PERCENT SAY THEY'VE NEVER BEEN THERE AND IF YOU GO EVERY SINGLE SATURDAY IT'S TOTALLY PACKED. THAT'S THE REALITY CHECK ON THE SURVEY. WE NEED TWO THINGS. >> BOARD MEMBER: WHEN I WOULD LOOK AT THIS THE INITIAL SURVEY [01:15:05] WAS MORE OF A LET'S GET A FEEL FOR THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT'S GOING ON. THIS IS MORE OF A ASSESSMENT ON WHAT IS BEING UTILIZED AND UNDERUTILIZED AND WHAT IS A WASTE. BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO GIVE THE PEOPLE THE IMPRESSION THAT YOU TAKE A SURVEY AND WE ARE GOING TO GET MORE OF THIS. NEED TO BE UPFRONT AND HONEST AND SAY WE, BECAUSE OF COVID AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE COMMUNITY WE ARE QUICKLY COMING TO A POINT WHERE WE ARE REALIZING THAT WE CAN'T SERVICE EVERYTHING. WE NEED TO BE UPFRONT WITH THE COMMUNITY AND SAY, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS A WASTE? STRAIGHT UP, WHAT DO YOU THINK WE NEED? OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T DO EVERYTHING AND THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE KNOW THAT WE WANT TO SERVE THE GREATER GOOD SO WE ARE TRYING TO GET A FEEL FOR IT. IF WE HAD TO DO SOME BELT-TIGHTENING, WHERE WOULD YOU MOST LIKE TO SEE IT? >> CHAIR ROSS: I THINK THIS BOYD HAD A GOOD POINT WITH THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD. WE HAVE PLACED TREMENDOUS EMPHASIS ON THE PARKS AND NOT THE PROGRAM. AND, THE PROGRAMS ARE INEXPENSIVE. TO SOME EXTENT. TO HAVE SOMEONE TEACH A NATURE CLASS IS, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE $1.4 MILLION. THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE IT A LOT LESS EXPENSIVE. SO, IF WE CONCENTRATE ON THE PROGRAM WE MAY FIND THAT YOU GET MORE OF A COMMUNITY RESPONSE. I KNOW THAT I PERSONALLY, PLENTY OF MY FRIENDS COULD CERTAINLY ATTENDS ANY NATURE OR TYPE OF CLASS THAT WAS GIVEN IN THE GREENWAY AT ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. >> BOARD MEMBER: ALONG THE SAME LINES, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE EVER DONE THIS BUT WHEN I WENT TO SAVANNAH AFTER WE FINISHED WITH WILL GARDNER AND MIDNIGHT IN THE GARDEN, I LEARNED ABOUT THIS AND WE WALKED TO THE CEMETERY AND LOOKED AT ALL THE VARIOUS SIGNALS. AND THAT IS A PROGRAM THAT IS HUGE. I WAS LOOKING AT THE EASTERN STARS AND MASONS AND THERE IS A WHOLE TON OF 33RD COLORED INFANTRY TROOPS BURIED THAT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT. WE STARTED RESEARCHING THAT. TO ME, THAT IS A HUGE BENEFIT AND LIKE YOU SAID, IT DOESN'T COST A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY. YOU CAN FIND SOME PEOPLE WHO LOVE DOING THAT STUFF ANYWAY. AND IF THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO BE PUSHING. THIS IS, TO ME, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A HISTORICAL GOLDMINE IN SAINT AUGUSTINE. IN FACT, I HAVE AN APPOINTMENT ON MR. LANGLEY AND IT BUGS ME RECENTLY . TO GO MEET WITH HIM TO TALK ABOUT PUTTING TOGETHER THE APP FOR THE CEMETERY AND, SOME OF THOSE HISTORIC PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE ATTACKED FOR THAT, IF IT IS POSSIBLE. WE DON'T KNOW. THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION IS ABOUT HOW DO WE GET MONETARY VALUE INTO THE CEMETERY HERE THIS IS NOT ABOUT CREATING DISNEY WORLD. IT IS JUST HISTORY, IT IS TRYING TO MAKE IT SOMEPLACE THAT IS WELCOMING TO PEOPLE THAT THEY WILL FIND OF INTEREST. SO, AND THEN I THINK IT'S ON THE 12TH WE ARE GOING TO GO BACK IN THE ON THE 10. >> THE 12TH. YOU ARE RIGHT. >> BOARD MEMBER: WE CAN GIVE YOU SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT BUT HE IS EXCITED TO DO IT. THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK OUT. IT ALL DEPENDS ON HOW THE COMMUNITY FEELS ABOUT IT WHEN IT'S ALL DONE. >> CMEMBER: WITH THE PROGRAMS B PART OF THE PARKS & RECREATION? >> BOARD MEMBER: YES. WHEN WE DO THE LEVELS OF SERVICE TABLE THERE IS ALSO ANOTHER TABLE THAT IS CREATED FOR ACTIVITIES. SUCH AS BASEBALL, WHAT SUBJECTS, THINGS THAT ARE NOT ¦ [01:20:05] >> BOARD MEMBER: IT IS IN THE OLD ONE AS WELL. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THIS WILL CHANGE. THE BIGGEST BEACH ACCESS IS NUMBER 1. AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE LITTLE PARK NEXT-DOOR WHICH IS THE LOWEST. >> BOARD MEMBER: WE HAVE A PROGRAM THAT TEACHES ME HOW TO FISH? >> BOARD MEMBER: WE DO NOT HAVE ANY FISHING POLES AT PARKS & RECREATION. BECAUSE, I WOULD THINK THAT THE STATE PARK MAY HAVE SOMETHING. I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE THE BIG FISHING THING WHERE THEY HAVE THE FISHING POLES? WE WOULD LEAVE THAT TO THE CHARTER FISHERMEN TO TEACH PEOPLE. BECAUSE, NONE OF US ARE TRAINED IN IT AND NO ONE HAS COME TO US TO ASK US TO TEACH IT. >> BOARD MEMBER: IF SOMEONE WANTS TO TEACH IT. BUT WE DON'T OWN THE WATER. SO, WE DON'T OWN THE WATER TO RUN THE PROGRAM. >> CHAIR ROSS: THAT IS WHERE I SEE WHERE THIS IT IS GOING. I WOULD APPRECIATE SOME FEEDBACK AS FAR AS, I AM NOT SURE IF WE WANT TO DO THE INTERVIEWS WITH THE CITY COMMISSIONERS. I DON'T KNOW, YES? >> BOARD MEMBER: I FORGOT I RAISE MY HANDS AND MINUTE AGO. WHAT WE NEED TO ADD, SOMEHOW IS WHAT THE COMMITTEE HAS ALREADY RECOMMENDED AND THE CHANGES. PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THE RECOMMENDED CHANGES FOR THE FACILITIES, THE USE OF THE FACILITIES HAS BEEN EVALUATED BY THE COMMITTEE AND THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK TO EACH SESSION ABOUT THE FLAGS RUNNING UP AND DOWN ATLANTIC AVENUE. IN DIFFERENT KEY THINGS LIKE THAT. THE USE OF THE TAX CENTER AS AN ART FACILITY. >> CHAIR ROSS: IN THE GENERAL QUESTIONS OF THE FOCUS GROUP, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS, ARE THERE ANY FACILITIES THAT YOU BELIEVE ARE NOT USED OR NEEDED IN EACH OF THE CITY PARKS? THAT GIVES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS WHAT WE DON'T NEED AND, THEY ARE REALLY BASIC QUESTIONS TO GET THE DISCUSSION GOING. >> BOARD MEMBER: I THINK THE MORE SPECIFIC THEY ARE WHERE PEOPLE CAN FOCUS VERY SPECIFICALLY ON THE QUESTION INSTEAD OF THE GENERAL YES, WE WANT MORE OF THIS. >> CHAIR ROSS: TO BE HONEST, IF WE DO THIS THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT PARCELS HERE. ONE WILL BE THE PUBLIC MEETING AND THE OTHER ONE WOULD BE THE SURVEY. THE SURVEY YOU CAN GET REALLY IN THE WEEDS AND GET VERY SPECIFIC. THE FOCUS GROUPS, WE WILL TRY TO TIGHTEN UP THE QUESTIONS A LITTLE BIT SO THAT THEY STAY FOCUSED. THOSE WOULD GENERALLY BE LEFT OPEN FOR REASONS THAT PEOPLE FEEL FREE TO TALK. IT IS PART OF THE SYNDROME OF LISTENING TO PEOPLE. WHEN THEY FEEL LIKE THEY ARE LISTENS TO THEY ARE PART OF THE PLAN. THAT IS ONE OF THE GOALS. YOU CAN POSSIBLY GET SOME INFORMATION FOR THAT AND WHAT THEY CONSIDER TO BE PRIORITIES. >> BOARD MEMBER: DO WE HAVE A DEADLINE FOR THIS? >> CHAIR ROSS: IT WOULD BE ¦ >> BOARD MEMBER: I WOULD LIKE TO THINK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT. BEFORE WE START. >> BOARD MEMBER: I'M SORRY, WHERE AGAIN DID THE DIRECTIVE FOR THIS COME FROM? >> CHAIR ROSS: THE CITY MANAGER. >> BOARD MEMBER: WANT TO UP DATE IT HEAR THE PROPOSED USES AND CHANGES WERE TO WHAT YOU RECOMMEND BUT THAT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION. CHAIR ROSS DID NOTIFY THEM IN HER BRIEF PRESENTATION AT THE LAST COMMITTEE MEETING. OF YOUR CHANGES. AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE ARE ACTIVELY REFERRING TO THE EXISTING PLAN. WHICH, WE ARE NOT BUILDING ANYTHING OR REMOVING ANYTHING AROUND. [01:25:06] >> CHAIR ROSS: WHAT I FOUND INTERESTING IN READING THROUGH THE OLD PLAN, THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT WE DID FOR THE RECOMMENDATIONS. THAT SHOULD BE PART OF A VERY BRIEF PRESENTATION AT THE PUBLIC MEETING? >> BOARD MEMBER: I CAN HELP PUT THAT TOGETHER SO THAT WE CAN SAY THIS IS 2015 THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THIS IS WHAT THE CITY HAS ACCOMPLISHED? >> BOARD MEMBER: IT BECOMES A MATTER OF CONFUSION AND AT THE SAME TIME IT IS ONGOING. IT IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IT INCLUDES A GOAL FOR RECREATION AND SPACE. AND THE VIEWPOINTS ON THAT AS A COMMITTEE ARE BEING CONSIDERED AND WE ALSO A SERIES OF WEBINARS RESERVED FOR THE LAST FEW WEEKS. THIS IS FOR RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE. WOULD YOU CONSIDER THIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE AS WELL AS THE EVALUATION TO REVIEW FOR 2019 AND AS WELL AS THE WORKING GROUPS?T IS AN ONGOING PROCESS. THIS MASTER PLAN IS MUCH MORE SPECIFIC AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS MUCH MORE GENERAL. >> CHAIR ROSS: I DID SEND MISS KIRKLAND YOUR COMPILED LIST. MISS BROWN SENT ME YOUR LIST AND I DID SEND THAT ONTO MISS KIRKLAND. AND THAT IS SORT OF WHERE WE ARE AT THE MOMENT. WE DO HAVE DATES SET ASIDE AND I DON'T THINK WE ARE GOING TO MAKE THE APRIL TENT MEETING WITH THE ATLANTIC REC CENTER. IF THERE IS A WAY TO GET THE QUESTIONS AND A SUBCOMMITTEE PUT TOGETHER FOR THE SURVEY OR EVEN JUST START THE FOCUS GROUP ON APRIL 22, FOCUS ON THE FIVE QUESTIONS, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS POSSIBLE. WE ALSO HAVE SET ASIDE MAY 5, 6:30 CITY HALL. SO, I GUESS I AM GOING TO PUT THIS BACK ON THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT MEETING. I AM GOING TO SEND YOU THIS INFORMATION IN THE EMAIL AND THEN I WOULD LIKE SOME FEEDBACK AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. SO THAT WE CAN GET THIS MOVING. >> BOARD MEMBER: I WILL CANCEL THE 10TH MEETING. WE CAN RESCHEDULE IT LATER. >> CHAIR ROSS: ANY COMMENTS? >> CHAIR ROSS: I SWEAR IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT DIFFICULT. [LAUGHTER] THE MOST DIFFICULT PART IS REWRITING IT. >> CHAIR ROSS: WE DON'T REWRITE IT, WE AMENDED IT. THE AMENDMENTS COULD BE SIX PAGES. IT IS JUST UPDATING IT FROM THIS YEAR. WE ARE NOT REWRITING IT. >> BOARD MEMBER: THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED. YOU GUYS WILL GET THE NEXT, WHATEVER YOU PUT TOGETHER FOR THIS AND IT'S UPDATED AND WE JUST AMEND IT. WERE NOT GOING TO BE BINDING AND TAKING ALL THE FABULOUS PICTURES OF THE MAPPING. THAT HAS BEEN DONE. >> BOARD MEMBER: ARE YOU TRYING TO DO A SUBCOMMITTEE? >> CHAIR ROSS: IT WOULD BE HELPFUL. >> BOARD MEMBER: WHAT ABOUT THE 10TH AT THE ATLANTIC REC CENTER? [LAUGHTER] >> CHAIR ROSS: DO I HEAR ANY VOLUNTEERS FOR A SUBCOMMITTEE? >> BOARD MEMBER: I WILL HELP. >> CHAIR ROSS: YOU ARE SO WONDERFUL BOARD MEMBER PUGH! >> BOARD MEMBER: ERIC IS RAISING HIS HAND! >> BOARD MEMBER: CHAIR ROSS DO YOU WANT ME TO KEEP THE APRIL TENT RESERVATION? >> BOARD MEMBER: I THINK I CAN DO IT. >> CHAIR ROSS: CAN WE USE IT FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEE? >> CHAIR ROSS: IS EVERYONE [01:30:01] AVAILABLE APRIL 10?> BOARD MEMBER: NO. I AM USUALLY AVAILABLE AT FIVE OR SIX. >> BOARD MEMBER: THIS IS A SATURDAY. >> BOARD MEMBER: APRIL 22? >> CHAIR ROSS: APRIL 10. IT IS A SATURDAY. >> BOARD MEMBER: OH. [LAUGHTER] >> CHAIR ROSS: IT IS 10 A.M. AND THEN YOU CAN GO TO LUNCH AFTERWARDS. [LAUGHTER] 32 WE WILL JUST AT THEIR ENDS IGNORE EACH OTHER. >> CHAIR ROSS: WE CAN DO IT ANY OTHER DAY. >> BOARD MEMBER: IS THERE A WEEK DAY? >> BOARD MEMBER: THERE ARE FIVE OF THEM JUST TELL ME WHICH ONE YOU LIKE. >> BOARD MEMBER: IF IT'S THE 10TH THEN I CAN COME. >> BOARD MEMBER: I CAN BE THERE ON THE 10TH. >> CHAIR ROSS: AT 10 A.M.? IT WILL BE GREAT. IT WILL BE NICE TO HAVE YOU WITH US. >> BOARD MEMBER: THERE WE GO, WE ARE ALL . >> BOARD MEMBER: WE DON'T MEET AGAIN UNTIL THE 13TH. WE HAVE TO POST IT SO THAT THEY CAN COME IF THEY WANT. IT IS A PUBLIC MEETING. >> CHAIR ROSS: ALL RIGHT. NUMBER 9. ARE WE FINISHED WITH THIS? >> BOARD MEMBER: I BETTER PUT IT ON MY CALENDAR. I WILL FORGET! IT IS AT THE REC CENTER? YOU WILL SEND ME A CONFIRMATION ON THAT? >> CHAIR ROSS: ALL RIGHT. WE ARE NOT FINISHED WITH THAT ONE-PAGE MISS BROWN. MISS BROWN? >> SPEAKER: WAIT JUST ONE SECOND, I HAVE TO FIND IT I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DID WITH IT. >> CHAIR ROSS: WE DIDN'T MAKE IT THROUGH 8.3 YET. >> CHAIR ROSS: IT IS TOWARDS THE END. I SET A GOAL FOR JUNE TO START [8.3 Planning for Cemetery Master Plan and Best Practices of Grounds] MEETING WITH THE FRIENDS ABOUT THE CEMETERY PLANS. WE NEED TO START SETTING SOME POSSIBLE REGULAR MEETING DATE. I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE BEING ABLE TO GET THE LIST OF THE ITEMS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE DONE. A COMPLETED ONE SUCH AS ZONING, THE PENETRATING RADAR, THE BORINGS, ALL THOSE THINGS AND A CHECKLIST TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE THINGS GET FINISHED. AND THE BEST PRACTICES OF THE GROUNDS IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST ISSUES THAT WE HAD THAT WAS IN THE MASTER PLAN FOR THE CEMETERY HERE THAT WAS THE MAINTENANCE OF THE GROUNDS. WE CAN DO THIS TWO WAYS. I HAD COLLECTED A STACK OF BEST PRACTICES FOR CEMETERIES FOR ALL THE UNIVERSITIES AND ASSOCIATIONS. WE CAN GO THROUGH IT AND PUT IT TOGETHER. MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO REQUEST THE CITY MANAGER HAVE THE GOLF COURSE GO DOWN AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT. HE IS VERY MUCH IN TUNE WITH WHAT NEEDS TO HAVE HAPPENED ON THE GROUNDS. HE CAN SET SOME GOALS AND SCOPE OF WORK AND GET TO SCHEDULING OF SUPERVISION. AND THEN HE CAN GET TOGETHER WITH ALL OF US INCLUDING THE FRIENDS OF OSCAR BELLA TO GO OVER THOSE GOALS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT MEETS THEIR EXPECTATIONS AND OUR EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE AT THE CEMETERY. >> BOARD MEMBER: LET ME CHIME IN BECAUSE I HAVE TO BE THE DEVILS ADVOCATE AND SAY THAT I TALKED TO MR. MURPHY AND HE IS NOT WILLING TO DO THAT. HE IS ONLY HERE TEMPORARILY WITH THE GOLF COURSE BECAUSE HE IS CONTRACTED UNTIL THE 30TH OF SEPTEMBER. HE IS TEMPORARY. >> BOARD MEMBER: WHAT?H NO. >> BOARD MEMBER: THAT'S OKAY. HOWEVER, I MEAN, WE HAVE IMMACULATE PLAYING FIELDS ALL OVER THE CITY. MANY OF THEM. AND IT IS NOT CAN WE HAVE BERMUDA GRASS FAIRWAYS, IT IS, IS IT FEASIBLE?S IT WHAT YOU WANT TO SEE AT A HISTORIC CEMETERY THAT SHOULD BE NATURAL? IS IT ENVIRONMENTALLY SUSTAINABLE OR FINANCIALLY [01:35:03] SUSTAINABLE? YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT WE DIG HOLES OUT THERE FREQUENTLY AND WE ALSO DIG TO PLACE MONUMENTS. IT IS VERY SHADED BERMUDA GRASS DOES NOT GROW IN THE SHADE. IT REQUIRES IN THE HEAT WHICH WE HAVE EIGHT MONTHS OF THE YEAR THE HEAT. CHEMICAL TREATMENTS AND WHEN WE VIEW THE CEMETERY, WHEN I VIEW THE CEMETERY I VIEW IT AS A PLACE TO NOT ONLY VISIT YOUR LOVED ONES BUT TO VISIT THE WILDLIFE LIKE A RACCOON, DEAR, WILDLIFE AND THE BIRDS. WHEN WE CHANGE ALL THAT THAT WILL CHANGE THE EXISTING ENVIRONMENT. SO, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DISCUSS WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT BECAUSE DIGGING ALL OF THAT UP FOR IRRIGATION IS. >> CHAIR ROSS: I UNDERSTAND. BUT THEY ARE NOT HAPPY WITH IT. SO, WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME SORT OF ADJUSTMENT. >> BOARD MEMBER: WHO IS NOT HAPPY WITH IT? >> CHAIR ROSS: THE FRIENDS OF. [INDISCERNABLE] IT WAS IN THE MASTER PLAN. >> BOARD MEMBER: SPECIFICALLY TO DO THIS SCALE AND TURN IT INTO A PLUSH GOLF COURSE? >> CHAIR ROSS: WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ISACCEPTABLE AT THIS POINT. IT IS LIKE WHAT ARE THE BEST PRACTICES FOR A CEMETERY AND THEN GET THEM TO AGREE OR HAVE THEM TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND SAY WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE? I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE ALL TAKE A LOOK AT IT FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE AND IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE REACHED AS A REALITY THEN THAT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT TO THE COMMISSION'S ATTENTION. >> BOARD MEMBER: A COUPLE QUESTIONS. THE FIRST QUESTION IS HAS THE MASTER PLAN TO THE CEMETERY EVER BEEN UPDATED? IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION BY THE PLAN IT WOULD BE DONE AT LEAST EVERY FIVE YEARS. NOW WE ARE IN THE SIXTH YEAR. I DON'T KNOW WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT AND MEANWHILE WE ARE MOVING AHEAD TO DO THINGS WITHOUT AN UPDATED MASTER PLAN. AND HOW CAN THIS COME TO US NOW? ARE WE BEING ASKED TO DO THIS? >> BOARD MEMBER: I HAVE NOT BROUGHT THAT TO YOU. THAT IS NOT COMING TO STAFF. THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT INITIATED THE PREVIOUS OR ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN WITH THE HELP OF MULTIPLE ORGANIZATIONS AND PUBLIC MEETINGS. I THINK THE STAFF, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAD AN OUTSIDE CONTRACTOR TO HELP THEM. THIS MASTER PLAN WAS ALSO 2015. >> BOARD MEMBER: IT HAS NOT BEEN UPDATED. >> BOARD MEMBER: I HAVE HANDWRITTEN NOTES IN HERE THAT WERE THE THINGS THAT WE HAD DONE ON THE LIST. >> BOARD MEMBER: WE ARE WORKING WITH A PLAN THAT HASN'T BEEN UP DATED AND THERE ARE THINGS IN THERE THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE RELEVANT HERE THAT WAS MY FIRST QUESTION. MY SECOND QUESTION IS, UNLESS THIS HAS BEEN SANCTIONED SOMEWHERE, I PERSONALLY, FRANKLY, AM NOT INTERESTED IN STEPPING INTO AN AREA THAT I HAVE NOT BEEN INVITED INTO. HENCE, IF SOMEBODY IS NOT INTERESTED IN THIS AND WE ARE GOING TO SPEND THIS TIME BECAUSE CLEARLY, THEY WERE NOT INTERESTED IN OUR OPINION BEFORE OF THE PLAN. THEY WENT AND SCHEDULED IT ON A MEETING AGENDA WITHOUT US HAVING A RECOMMENDATION TO THEM. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS FITS IN TO OUR MISSION OR WHAT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. THAT IS MY QUESTION. >> CHAIR ROSS: YES? >> BOARD MEMBER: MY QUESTION IS, AM I TO ASSUME THAT THE BEST PRACTICE EXISTING IS TO HAVE A GOLF SPECIALIST LOOK AT A CEMETERY? IS NOT THE BEST PRACTICE? TO ME, HAVING BEEN IN HOME CONSTRUCTION IS LIKE HAVING A CABINETMAKER TALK ABOUT FRAMING. THEY ARE TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT SKILL SET. THAT IS MY CONCERN. THE OTHER THING IS, IF WE WERE TO DO THAT AND NOT SAYING THAT YOU HAVE TO USE MR. MURPHY BUT ARE THERE CEMETERIES IN THE COUNTY? ARE WE LOOKING AT THIS COUNTY AND SAYING, OKAY, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING IN YOUR COUNTY TO HANDLE THESE TYPES OF ISSUES? I WOULD GO TO SOMEONE WHO IS IN [01:40:06] THE SAME GENRE OF WHAT I CALL SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT. I'M JUST HAVING A HARD TIME SEEING A GOLF COURSE MANAGER LOOKING AT A CEMETERY AS COMING UP WITH THIS. I SEE THAT THERE IS SOME OVERLAP BUT FROM WHAT I JUST HEARD, SUNLIGHT VERSES A SHADED AREA VERSES CEMETERY WE ARE LOOKING FOR WILDLIFE ON A GOLF COURSE WE ARE KILLING GOPHERS. YOU KNOW, HAVE YOU SEEN THE MOVIE? >> BOARD MEMBER: WE DO IT AT THE BALLFIELDS, TOO. [LAUGHTER] >> BOARD MEMBER: WHEN YOU PUT THAT UP THERE IT STRUCK ME AS ODD. >> CHAIR ROSS: I HAVE ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE. IF YOU COME UP WITH ANOTHER PRACTICE LIST WHAT IS IN CEMETERIES AND WHAT IS RECOMMENDED FROM THE INDUSTRY, IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE SOMEONE'S OUTSIDE OPINION AS TO HOW REALISTIC IS IT TO KEEP IT AT THAT STANDARD? AND THAT IS WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT FROM MR. MURPHY IS IS THIS REALISTIC? YOU CAN GET ALL KINDS OF UNIVERSITY STUFF AND SOMETIMES IT MAKES NO SENSE. FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I WAS LOOKING TO HIM FOR.OT FOR HIM TO ACTUALLY TELL US WHAT TO DO WITH CEMETERY BUT TO ACTUALLY HELP US WITH AT THIS POINT SAID, TO DO ALL OF THIS STUFF. THIS IS REAL. GIVE US A BALLPARK. PLUS, IF NO ONE IS AT THIS POINT THERE IS NO MOMENTUM FOR THIS GROUP TO DEAL WITH THE CEMETERY AT THIS POINT, THAT IS FINE, TOO. >> BOARD MEMBER: TO BE CLEAR, I AM NOT DISINTERESTED IN HAVING THE INVOLVEMENT, I AM SAYING, WHO IS LISTENING TO THE INVOLVEMENT? >> CHAIR ROSS: HERE IS MY CONCERN. MY CONCERN IS ANOTHER GROUP IT IS GOING TO WALK IN AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THE CEMETERY. WITHOUT THE PUBLIC HAVING SOME KIND OF INPUT INTO IT. THAT BOTHERS ME GREATLY. SO, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM GETTING INVOLVED IN IT. IF YOU WOULD LIKE ASSISTANCE WITH GIVING YOU CARTE BLANCHE TO GO AHEAD WITH THIS, PERHAPS I COULD SIT DOWN WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND SAY, HERE ARE SOME THOUGHTS FROM OUR COMMITTEE, WHAT DO YOU THINK? I WOULDN'T MIND DOING THAT BUT THAT IS TOTALLY UP TO THE COMMITTEE. MY CONCERN IS THE GROUP WALKS IN AND SAYS, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH THE CEMETERY WHEN THE PUBLIC HAS NOT HAD INPUT FOR 6 YEARS. SO, THAT IS OF CONCERN. YES? >> BOARD MEMBER: TO ME THERE ARE A FEW DIFFERENT WAYS TO LOOK AT THIS. THERE'S SOME MASTER PLANS FOR THE CEMETERY AND THEN THERE IS GETTING VERY SPECIFIC AND WORKING WITH THE PARKS AND >> DEPARTMENT AND SAY, WHAT THINGS ARE NEEDED IN THE CEMETERY TO IMPROVE IT TO AN ACCEPTABLE LEVEL? FOR EXAMPLE SHOULD THERE BE FENCING ALONG 14TH STREET WITH A GATE? TO SOLVE THE SECURITY PROBLEM? SHOULD THERE BE AN UPGRADE TO THE SIGNAGE SO IT LOOKS A LITTLE MORE LIKE A CEMETERY? VERY SPECIFIC THINGS LIKE THAT. I BET YOU WE COULD COME UP WITH A LIST OF EIGHT OR 10 THINGS AND THEN THE PARKS AND DEPARTMENT COULD RESPOND TO THAT OR DO THEIR OWN SUGGESTIONS AND LET'S JUST GET THAT DONE. >> BOARD MEMBER: BEAUX-ARTS IN THE EXISTING MASTER PLAN. IT'S ALL ABOUT WHO'S GOING TO PAY FOR IT. >> CHAIR ROSS: I WOULD CAUTION ABOUT, WITH SOMEONE WHO FELT THE PUBLIC FOR YEARS. YES WE COULD SIT DOWN AND MAKE OUT THAT LIST BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE IT AS A PUBLIC TYPE OF THING. >> BOARD MEMBER: I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE DON'T AND IF THE FRIENDS OF ASPER ELLA WANT TO BE A PART OF THAT PROCESS AND I THINK THAT'S FINE. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO MOVE [01:45:01] FORWARD AND NOT SEND. >> CHAIR ROSS: I KNOW. >> BOARD MEMBER: NOT SPEND HUGE AMOUNTS OF TIME TALKING ABOUT THESE LARGE GENERAL TYPES OF THINGS AND HAVING MR. MURPHY WHO WON'T DO IT ANYWAY. IT DOESN'T MATTER. >> CHAIR ROSS: ANY OTHER COMMENTS? [9.1 January and February Staff Report] ALL RIGHT. 9.1 THE STAFF REPORT. >> BOARD MEMBER: I ATTACHED THE JANUARY AND FEBRUARY SELF-REPORT. THIS GIVES YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROGRAM NUMBERS AND YOU CAN SEE THE DUNE WALKOVER'S AND WE ARE JUST ABOUT FINISHED WITH THE BEACH ACCESS 37 WITH REBUILDS. >> CHAIR ROSS: BOARD MEMBER BARTELT? >> BOARD MEMBER: GO AHEAD. >> BOARD MEMBER: WE DO THESE MONTHLY. ONCE 37 IS COMPLETE WE ARE ONLY GOING TO DO MONTHLY INSPECTIONS. WE ARE GETTING INTO THE GROWING SEASON SO EVERYONE WILL BE ON A MOWER. OR, SPRING CHEMICALS OR WHATEVER. WE DID INSTALL NEW SIGNS, ONE AT, BRAND-NEW, ONE AT NORTH BEACH PARK, 14 SEASIDE PARK AND 14. [INDISCERNABLE] .E FIXED, SOMEONE RAN INTO A POLL ON CENTER STREET SO WE HAD TO GET THAT FIXED. AND THEN, OF COURSE, THIS IS JUST UPDATING THE WEED CONTROL THAT WE DEAL WITH. OF COURSE, WITH MISS KATHY RUSSELL WE DID OUR ANNUAL MOWING OF THE BANKS AND WE HAVE A CONTRACT SURE THAT DOES THAT BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTAND HOW TO MOW THE BANKS. >> CHAIR ROSS: THANK YOU! [LAUGHTER] >> BOARD MEMBER: WE'VE ALSO REMOVED A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF CONCRETE DEBRIS THAT WAS IN THE GREENWAY AND WE HAD A CONTRACT TO DO THAT AS WELL. WE PUT FENCING UP TO TRY TO KEEP THE MAMA ALLIGATOR FROM PLAYING ALL ACROSS WHERE PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO DIVERT THE FOLKS AROUND HER. SHE WE WILL BE BACK IN THE WATER SOON BUT WE ARE STILL A LITTLE CHILLY. WE HAVE PUT A NEW KIOSK IN THE GREENWAY WITH EDUCATIONAL SIGNAGE AND OUR VOLUNTEERS WHICH WE HAVE A VERY GOOD GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS WHICH HELP WITH THE INVASIVE CONTROL OR ATTEMPT TO CONTROL. SO THAT ÃTHIS IS THE FEBRUARY P1? YOU DON'T REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT THE JANUARY ONE. WE STARTED OUR HOMESCHOOL CLINIC FOR SWIMMING. THAT ISN'T IN HERE BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE IN THE MARCH ONE. >> CHAIR ROSS: YOU DIDN'T HAVE IT? I THOUGHT I SAW THAT. >> BOARD MEMBER: MAY BE THE ADVERTISING OF IT. IT IS GOING ON NOW. GEARING UP FOR SUMMER CAMP STARTS DURING SPRING BREAK AND OF COURSE THE CITY RESIDENTS HAVE THE FIRST DIBS FOR THE FIRST SEVEN DAYS AND WITH OUR EVENTS, I KNOW THAT THE CELL PHONE CENTER HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR A ROLE. AND, I AM GUESSING THAT THEY WILL APPROVE THE REST OF THEM. AND, THAT IS PRETTY MUCH IT. WERE GOING TO BE STARTING ON THE KIDDIE POOL SERVICING AT THE MLK CENTER SOON. >> BOARD MEMBER: I SAW A SCUBA CLASS? >> CHAIR ROSS: YES. BOARD MEMBER BARTELT? >> BOARD MEMBER: AT THE BEACH ACCESS WALKOVER IS AS YOU ARE MOVING THE RAMP OVER? >> BOARD MEMBER: WE ARE ADDING IT BACK NOW. >> BOARD MEMBER: IS THAT GOING TO BECOME NO LONGER HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE? >> BOARD MEMBER: WE ARE MOVING THE ONE THAT IS COVERED UP AND TILTED AND INSTEAD OF HAVING A COUPLE OF STEPS AT THE ENDS WE ARE GOING TO RAMP IT. WE WILL NOT HAVE THAT LONG TO THE SOUTH. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY FEET THAT IS. IT IS CONSTANTLY COVERED AND WARTS. WE WILL DISMANTLE THE HANDRAILS AND PULL EVERYTHING OUT AND PROBABLY LEAVE THE BASE TO STABILIZE THE DUNE SYSTEM. >> BOARD MEMBER: I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I LOOK AT IT [01:50:01] EVERY DAY. >> CHAIR ROSS: IT LOOKED LIKE WE WERE PUTTING THE HANDICAP ACCESS ON ARE THEY REBUILDING THE RAMP? >> BOARD MEMBER: NOT THERE. IT IS NOT GOING TO MEET THE HANDICAP REQUIREMENTS. IT IS JUST GOING TO SLOPE DOWN. IT IS HARD FOR PEOPLE TO COMPREHEND THE FACT THAT WE CAN BUILD HANDICAP ACCESSES S AT DUNE WALKOVER'S. NOT EVERYONE OF THEM BUT THEY TYPICALLY HAVE TO RUN NORTH TO SOUTH BECAUSE, YOU CAN'T GO WAY OUT ONTO THE DUNE TO GET YOUR SLOPE. WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE ONES THAT WE HAVE BUILT IS THEY GET COVERED UP AND WE WILL DROP HANDRAILS OUT OF THEM. A SICKLY YOU ARE ROLLING DOWN A RAMP AND HITTING STANDS IN THE BEACH IS THE OTHER WAY. IT IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOME THING THAT WE MODIFY. EVEN IF WE HAVE SOME SORT OF RAMP IT IS BETTER THAN HAVING STEPS AT THE BOTTOM DID WE ARE PAYING AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT OF MONEY TO HAVE THOSE STEPS AND THE RAMP ENGINEERED AND INSTALLED. WE ARE NOT STEPPING DOWN BECAUSE I KNOW THAT BUT WERE IN FAVOR OF RAMPS. >> BOARD MEMBER: I HAVE A QUESTION. WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE NUMBERS WHERE IT SAYS INDIVIDUAL USES OF THE ATLANTIC FITNESS CENTER, THERE'S OVER 1000 OF THEM DOES THAT INCLUDE THE MEMBERSHIP FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE MEMBERS WHO WENT? WHEN IS SHAKING HER HEAD YES AND THE OTHER IS SHAKING THEIR HEAD NO. [LAUGHTER] >> BOARD MEMBER: IT INCLUDES THE AMOUNT OF SCANS. IF YOU COME IN AND PAY $5 PER DAY YOU GET SCANS. THIS IS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PSCANS PER THIS IS HOW MANY PEOPLE WHO WINCE. >> BOARD MEMBER: OKAY WE ARE JUST SHOWING THE MEMBERSHIPS? >> CHAIR ROSS: THE MEMBERSHIP THERE ARE 150 ATLANTIC MEMBERSHIPS AND THEN WE ARE SHOWING THAT THE NUMBER OF VISITS IS 1000 2015. >> BOARD MEMBER: IT IS UTILIZATION. >> CHAIR ROSS: YES. >> BOARD MEMBER: YOU ARE SEEING HOW MANY MEMBERS AND THEN HOW MANY TIMES THEY WENT EACH DAY. NEVER EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. [LAUGHTER] >> CHAIR ROSS: I SAW SOME THINGS ABOUT VANDALISM. IT IS THE VANDALISM GETTING WORSE OR IS THAT A NORMAL THING? >> BOARD MEMBER: IS NORMAL. >> BOARD MEMBER: WHAT DID THEY DO TO THE BENCHES? >> BOARD MEMBER: THEY TORE THEM APART. >> BOARD MEMBER: IT WAS ALSO TOLD THAT THE HOMELESS PEOPLE MOVE THE BENCHES SO THEY COULD SLEEP NEAR THE KIOSK. IT KEEPS THE BREEZE OFF OF THEM. >> BOARD MEMBER: I WALK MY DOG PASS THAT ALL THE TIME. >> BOARD MEMBER: YOU PROBABLY CAN'T SEE IN THE DUGOUT. >> CHAIR ROSS: ANY MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT STAFF REPORTING? [10.1 Welcome Letter Approval] ITEM 10.1. THIS SELF THROUGH THE CRACKS. WE NEED TO HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE OR AMEND OR WHATEVER WE WOULD LIKE TO DO WITH THE WELCOME LETTER. >> BOARD MEMBER: I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT. [10.2 Update on Educational Share-Point for New Members] >> CHAIR ROSS: ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.ALL SAY AYE] THANK YOU. AN UPDATE ON THE EDUCATION SHAREPOINT FOR NEW MEMBERS. I WAS ABLE TO GET IT TO WORK THIS TIME. THANK YOU SCOTT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> BOARD MEMBER: HE IS NOT HERE TONIGHT BUT I AM SURE WE WILL LET HIM KNOW. >> CHAIR ROSS: ANY OTHER COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? >> BOARD MEMBER: SINCE THE CITY COMMISSION VOTED NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE COLUMBARIUM PLAN I SUPPOSE, MISS WHITE CAN YOU TELL US WHETHER THERE HAS BEEN ANY ACTION ON THAT MOVING FORWARD? >> CHAIR ROSS: NOTHING HAS BEEN SHARED WITH ME. >> BOARD MEMBER: SO FAR NOTHING WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT OR THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT THIS? >> CHAIR ROSS: NOTHING HAS BEEN PSHARED WITH ME. >> BOARD MEMBER: SO BASICALLY IT'S NOT THERE AT THIS POINT, >> BOARD MEMBER: I'M GOING TO GIVE THEM SOME TIME AND THEN SEND THEM AN EMAIL TO GET THAT THING I WILL SEE IF HE HAS ANY Y DIRECTION OR SOUTH PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE FRIENDS OF. [INDISCERNABLE] AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS WHAT IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE OR IF THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH THE SAME ARCHITECT. I DID NOT GET AN ANSWER FOR THAT QUESTION RIGHT NOW. >> BOARD MEMBER: OKAY. >> CHAIR ROSS: AS FAR AS ON [01:55:04] NEXT MONTH'S AGENDA WE ARE GOING TO MOVE THE CANDIDATES TO THAT AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE BUDGET ON THE CIP AND WE ARE ALSO GOING TO DO THE. [INDISCERNABLE] . ANYTHING ELSE? >> BOARD MEMBER: AN UPDATE ON THE CEMETERY PLAN. WE SHOULD KEEP THAT ON THE AGENDA, TOO. >> CHAIR ROSS: ALL RIGHT. WE CAN KEEP THAT ON THE AGENDA. ANYTHING ELSE? TH * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.