Feb 18, 2021 Historic District Council

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>> WELCOME TO THE FEBRUARY MEETING OF THE FERNANDINA BEACH HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL.

MADAM SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> MEMBER KOSACK.

>> HERE. >> MEMBER POZZETTA. >> HERE.

>> MEMBERS FINO. >> HERE. >> MEMBER DUNCAN.

>> HERE. >> CHAIR HARRISON. >> PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE

OF ALLEGIANCE. >> I PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH

LIBERTY AND SHOWS IT'S FOR ALL. >> THANK YOU. >> I WOULD LIKE TO THANK SAL FOR PRODUCING A SERIES OF MOTIONS HERE. I HAVE NOTICED IN THE PAST THAT PEOPLE ARE IN THE PITS IT'S OUT HERE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION BUT DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO THE VERBIAGE FOREVER. THANK YOU, I WILL BE VERY USEFUL.

>> THANK YOU. WE NOW MOVE ON APPROVE OF THE MINUTES.

[3. APPROVAL OF MEETING MINUTES]

>> I HAVE NONE. >> I HAVE NONE. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE THE NOTES ON THE ROLE AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE QUASIJUDICIAL HEARINGS TO BE ADDED TO THE GENERAL MINUTES,

CAN YOU DO THAT? AS AN ATTACHMENT THANK YOU. >> OKAY.

I AM LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO APPROVE AND WE WILL TRY TO APPROVE ALL FOUR SETS OF MINUTES

AND ONE. >> SO MU, SECOND. >> THANK YOU MAY HAVE MEMBER MORRISON APPROVES AND MEMBER MEMBER KOSACK SECOND. PLEASE CALL THE ROLE.

>> MEMBER MEMBER KOSACK. >> YES. >> MEMBER MEMBER POZZETTA.

>> AS. >> CHAIR PERSON. >> YES.

>> THERE YOU ARE. LET'S MOVE INTO THE FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS TONIGHT.

ALL BUSINESS, HDC CASE 202030 WE HAVE TO DO ALL THE QUASIJUDICIAL SWEARING-IN.

>> WE WON'T LET YOU GO OFF THE RAILS. >> I WAS GOING TO BE A SHORT

MEETING TONIGHT. >> OFF YOU GO. >> IS STILL A QUASIJUDICIAL CYNICALLY HAVE FOUR CASES TONIGHT THAT WOULD BE CONDUCTED AS QUASIJUDICIAL HEARINGS.

FIRST MR. COMELLA WAS CITY STAFF WILL MAKE A PRESENTATION AND INTRODUCE EVIDENCE INTO THE RECORD. HE MAY CALL WITNESSES AND HE HAS PRODUCED A SET REPORTING DOCUMENTS THAT I BELIEVE HE WILL ENTER INTO THE RECORD OFFICIALLY.

THOSE ARE PART OF HIS TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE. THEN THE APPLICANT, AND/OR THEIR AGENT WILL COME TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, YOU WILL ALSO BE PRESENTING EVIDENCE HAS TESTIMONY INTO THE RECORD WE ARE CREATING TONIGHT A VIDEO AND AN AUDIO RECORDING.

WE ARE NOT TRANSCRIBING, OR TAKING VERBATIM RECORD OF TONIGHT'S MEETING.

THE APPLICANT AND/OR THEIR AGENT MAY TAKE WITNESSES AND EACH PARTY, PARTIES BEING THE CITY ON THE APPLICANT MAY CROSS-EXAMINE EACH OTHER AND EACH OTHER'S WITNESSES.

IN ADDITION, IF WE HAVE ANY AFFECTED PARTIES TONIGHT THAT MEANS YOU LIVE IN THE CITY LIMITS, YOU ARE A RESIDENT, YOU MAY MAKE A PRESENTATION AND INTRODUCE TESTIMONY INTO THE RECORD YOU MAY CALL WITNESSES WHEN YOU MAY CROSS-EXAMINE JUST LIKE THE CITY AND THE APPLICANT MAY CROSS-EXAMINE WITNESSES. AND EACH OTHER. THE PO, THIS IS DIFFERENT.

AFTER TUESDAY NIGHT, THE CITY COMMISSION APPROVED IN RIO ENTRE APPEAL PROCESS OF HDC DECISIONS.

BEFORE TUESDAY WE HAD APPEALS OF THIS BOARD'S DECISION BEING FILED BY THE APPLICANT ONLY TO THE CITY COMMISSION WITHIN 30 DAYS. THAT IS NO CHANGE TO BOTH APPLICANTS AND AGREED TO OR ADVERSELY AFFECTED PARTIES, THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN AFFECTED PARTIES. AFFECTED PARTIES ARE RESIDENT. I GRIEVED I MEAN YOU HAVE TO

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IT'S ABOUT 35 DAYS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? SUE MIKE ANY QUESTIONS OF APPLICANTS WITH A NEW PROCESS FOR APPEALS? THAT IS ALL I HAVE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PLEASE DO MAKE SURE THAT MRS. HARTMAN DOES GIVE THE OATH TO ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK AND THAT X PARTAKE COMMUNICATIONS ARE DISCLOSED.

>> THANK YOU FOR THOSE TWO PROMPTS. IF ANYONE WISHES TO GIVE EVIDENCE TONIGHT WITH A PLEA STANDS AND SWEAR THE OATH? MS. HARTMAN.

>> WOULD YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND TO SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE ORAL AND/OR WRITTEN TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUE

QUESTION MY STOMACH I DO. >> NOW, X PARTAKE COMMUNICATIONS.

STARTING ON THE FLOOR. IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO HAS X PARTAKE COMMUNICATIONS #.

>> NO. >> MR. SAVINO. >> I DO HAVE TO RECUSE MYSELF FROM CASE 2021-ZERO ONE SIM THE AGENTS. I GUESS I AM GOING TO HAVE TO STEP DOWN AND TERESA WILL HAVE TO BE SEATED FOR THAT CASE MAKE VERY GOOD.

>> I HAVE NONE. >> I WISH TO DECLARE A MEETING WITH TO DISCUSS THE AGENDA.

THAT IS THE ONLY ONE THAT I HAVE DECLARE. SO, DO WE SEE AT THIS POINT?

>> BOARD MEMBERS, VIA VOICE VOTE WE AGREED TO SEEK MS. DUNCAN WHEN MR. MORRISON HAS STREET

SOUTH? >> YES. >> THANK YOU.

ALL IN FAVOR? LET'S NOW START WITH THESES ACTIONS OH 38 WHICH IS A SIX

[4.1 HDC 2020-0038 - RICHARD HIGGINBOTHAM, HALL INVESTMENTS INC., 231 N. FRONT STREET]

HALL INVESTMENTS FOR FRONT STREET. >> VISITS HDC 2020-38, PROPERTY LOCATED AT 231 NORTH FRONT STREET. ZONED IW, THE PROPERTY WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 196 THIS CASE HAS COME BEFORE THE BOARD BEFORE. FOR DEMOLITION. WE ARE HERE TODAY TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE STAFF IS STILL WORKING ON THE APPLICANT. AND HAS PUT IN A REQUEST TO WORK WITH THE ARCHITECTS IN CREATING DRAWINGS OF FEASIBILITY STUDY AND A HISTORIC STRUCTURE ASSESSMENT.

STAFF IS REQUESTING CONTINUATION OF THIS APPLICATION TO APRIL 15, 2021.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. DO WE NEED TO TAKE ANY ACTION

HERE WERE SIMPLY QUEST MY STOMACH JUST CONTINUE. >> AND WE HAVE A BRIEF DISCUSSION ON THIS? MAX SO, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE, HOW DO WE AS A BOARD ADVOCATE FOR THIS BUILDING, RATHER THAN JUST CONTINUING THIS AND HELPING TO ADVANCE IT FORWARD AS A PRESERVATION TACTIC RATHER THAN AN ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW BOARD? IT IS COMING UP ON AN ITEM ON THE COMMISSION MEETING ON MARCH 2.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY THAT GOES THERE IS A REPRESENTATION OF THE BOARD OR IF WE JUST DO NOT INDIVIDUALLY. I THINK WE NEED TO ADVANCE THIS RATHER THAN WAITING FOR YOU TO COME OFF THE CITY MANAGER'S DESK. WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS NEXT.

WE ARE GOING TO RUN RUN OUT OF TIME QUICKLY. >> I THINK YOUR POINT IS WELL MADE. LET'S SEE WHAT PROBLEM IS OUT OF THE DISCUSSION AS FAR AS THIS ITEM IS CONCERNED I THINK THE APPLICANT IS -- AND WE NEED A MOTION TO CAN.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE TO THE APRIL 15, 2021 REGULAR HDC MEETING.

>> SECOND. >> CHAIR HARRISON: YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND,

TAMMI, PLEASE CALL BACK MEMBER KOSACK. >> YES.

>> IT MEMBER POZZETTA. >> YES. >> MEMBER SPINO TWO YES.

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>> VICE CHAIR ROBINSON. >> YES. >> CHAIR HARRISON.

[5.1 HDC 2021-0001 - COTNER ASSOCIATES, INC., AGENT FOR ROBERT & CHERYL VIRTUE, 424 N. 3RD STREET]

>> YES. >> NEW BUSINESS, HDC CASE 22 221-ZERO ZERO ONE, COTNER ASSOCIATES AND AGENT FOR ROBERT AND CHERYL VIRTUE. ON 42 OR ARTHUR STREET.

BENJAMIN I THANK YOU ARE INTACT AND. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU, THIS IS HDC 2020-ZERO ONE. A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 424 NORTH THIRD STREET ZONED M YOU ONE IT IS THAT IS NOT CORRECT. THAT IS CORRECT THE PROPERTY WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1901 AND THE REQUEST IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A 4123 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION. THIS IS THE ARIELLE OF THE PROPERTY HERE.

THESE ARE THE PHOTOS, THIS IS THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE THROUGH THE ADDITION OF START THERE.

THERE IS CURRENTLY A DECK OUT THERE AND A RETRACTABLE AWNING THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY DISCOVERED PORCH ON THE BACK WILL REMAIN IT BE BEHIND THE ADDITION. THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING TO CONSTRUCT A 4123 SQUARE FOOT ADDITION ON THE WEST ELEVATION WHERE THAT DECK CURRENTLY IS. AND TO A 135 SQUARE-FOOT ADDITION ON THE EAST ELEVATION WHICH IS ON THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.

THE PROPOSED ADDITIONS ARE COMPATIBLE AND SCALE, MASSING, MATERIAL, SETBACKS AND HEIGHTS WITH THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE REAR ADDITION IS UTILIZING TWO OPENINGS THAT WILL BE CONVERTED INTO DOORWAYS HAS ACCESS SO NO NEW PENETRATIONS ARE BEING CREATED THAT ADDITION. STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF AGENCIES 2021-ZERO ONE.

THANK YOU. >> CHAIR HARRISON: BOARD MEMBERS, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR SELL? HEARING NONE. LET ME ASK THE APPLICANT TO

PRESENT THE CASE. >> CONVENTION MORRISON, 2107 WHITFIELD DRIVE.

I AM THE AGENTS. I THINK SAL SUMS IN A GOOD, THE TWO EDITIONS, ONE ON THE SIDE AND ONE ON THE REAR OF THE HOUSE. THE INTENT WAS TO BE SENSITIVE TO THE EXISTING HISTORICAL PRESERVATION TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT INTERRUPTING THEM.

THE ONLY COMMENTARY I WOULD ADD IS THAT I HAVE A REQUEST FOR THE BOARD THAT AFTER FURTHER CONSIDERATION, I REALLY THINK THAT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO UTILIZE OTHERS THAT MATCH THE SHUTTERS ON THE EXISTING HOUSE FOR THE WINDOWS ON THE ADDITION. SO IF IT IS YOUR PLEASURE, I WOULD LIKE YOU ALL TO CONSIDER ALLOWING THE OWNER THE OPTION OF INSTALLING SHUTTERS TO MATCH THE

EXISTING ONES AS PART OF THE ACTION BE TONIGHT. >> OKAY.

>> ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME? >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

I SEE IT SAYS WOOD SIDING AND WINDOW CASING TO MATCH EXISTING. IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY KIND OF DIFFERENCE IN THE SIDING FROM NEW TO OLD? AND IS TYPICALLY WE WOULD WANT TO SHY AWAY FROM IT BEING AN EXACT MATCH.

IS THERE GOING TO BE ANY SUBTLE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE ELEMENTS SO --

>> THE WINDOWS THEMSELVES WILL BE NEW. THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THE EXISTING ONE. WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT DIFFERENTIATING THE TRIM DETAILS, TO IF THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD SIT IN. I THINK IT IS A VERY SIMPLE KIND

OF EDGE TRIM FROM WHAT I REMEMBERED. >> ANY.

>> CHAIR HARRISON: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

BENJAMIN, ON THE NEW WINDOWS ON A PROPOSED ADDITION, THEY LOOK THINK THE TRIM IS PICTURE FRAMES

OR DOESN'T HAVE A SILL ENCASEMENT ABOUT THAT? >> THE INTENT IS JUST TO MATCH THE STYLE OF THE EXISTING ENTRANCE WOULD MAKE THE EXISTING HAS SILLS BUT IN THE PROPOSED SOUTH, WEST AND EAST IT LOOKS LIKE THE SILL IS JUST PICTURE FRAMED.

>> I WOULD SAY THE NOTES IN THE APPLICATION THAT STATES THE TRIM IS TO EXIST THAT MATCHING WOULD

BE TO SUPERSEDES REMAKE THIS IS JUST A PICTORIAL. >> EXACTLY.

THESE DRAWINGS ARE BASED OFF THE ORIGINAL DRAWINGS THAT WERE DONE IN THE ORIGINAL DRAWINGS DID NOT

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PROVIDE THE STYLE SO THAT IS WHY. >> IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR

YOU TO DIFFERENTIATE THE ADDITIONS? >> WE CERTAINLY COULD LOOK INTO DOING SOMETHING VARYING THE EXPOSURE ON THE SIDING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT IF YOU WOULD ALL LIKE TO DO THAT SLIGHTLY. I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY A MORE APPROPRIATE SOLUTION THAT

VARYING THE WINDOW TRIM. >> OKAY. >> I THINK SOMETHING VERY SUBTLE WOULD BE SUFFICIENT LIKE IF THE EXISTING SIX-INCH OR SEVEN AT LEAST IT IS DIFFERENT BUT IT IS

STILL COMPATIBLE. >> OKAY. MR. SAVINO?

>> BENJAMIN, IS THE SIDING ORIGINAL. >> I DON'T THINK IT WAS ALL REPLACED WHEN IT WAS RENOVATED TEN YEARS AGO. SO, AS FAR AS WHETHER IT IS ALL

ORIGINAL, I DOUBT THAT IT IS. >> I WANT TO SAY THAT WHEN STRIVING BY THE HOUSE MAYBE THIS IS MORE OF A QUESTION FOR -- THAN YOU. MY SENSES WHEN I LOOK AT HISTORIC HOMES I CAN TELL THE ADDITIONS. HOW EVEN IN STRAIGHTFORWARD AND OFTEN WHEN I LOOK AT A HOUSE LIKE THAT I CAN WITNESS THEN PLACED A MAN'S WORDS ORIGINAL.

SO TO SOME EXTENT. >> I THINK. >> IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IT'S REALLY THE HOUSE THAT PRESENTS THE EASIEST DIFFERENTIATION OF WHAT IS ORIGINAL AND WHAT WAS

ADDED ON. >> I THINK A LOT OF THAT SIDING MIGHT WANT TO MAKE A DON'T HAVE

HOLLAND MAKE SENSE SUBTLE SHIFT. >> CHAIR HARRISON: ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?

>> ONE OTHER QUESTION REGARDING THE SHUTTERS. DO THEY HAVE SHUTTERS ON ALL

FOUR SIDES? >> THE MAJORITY OF THE WINDOWS HAVE SHUTTERS ON ALL FOUR SIDES.

THERE IS AN ISOLATED WINDOW THAT DOESN'T HAVE IT. I THINK SAL HAS A PICTURE SOON IF THERE IS A COUPLE IN THE BACK TO MEXICO, THE ACTION IF THEY WANT TO DO IS JUST ON A COUPLE OF ELEVATIONS THAT THEY WOULD DO THE SAME SHUTTERS VACUUMS WE WOULD MATCH THE PANEL DETAIL IN

THE COLOR OF THE ONES THAT ARE THERE NOW. >> OKAY.

LET ME GO AHEAD AND SOAK IN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC VIEW THAT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE COMMENTS FOR OR AGAINST SCENE NONE, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND TO BOARD DISCUSSION I THINK THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE AN IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT IS THERE.

I THINK IT WAS AN INSENSITIVE ADDITION THAT WAS ADDED AT ONE POINT THE OPEN AREA AND I THINK IT'S REALLY GOING TO HELP THE MASSING OF THE HOUSE AND I WOULD LIKE EXPOSURE OF THE SIDING.

>> IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION • LIKE WERE READY FOR PROMOTION.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. I MOVE TO IMPROVE HDC CASE -- SORRY WHILE I FIND THE CASE NUMBER 0001-2021. WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, THAT THE NEW SIDING HAS A SUBTLE DIFFERENCE FROM THE EXISTING LIGHTING, FOR EXAMPLE A VARIANCE EXPOSURE THAT STAFF CAN APPROVE THAT MODIFICATION OF THESE DRAWINGS.

THE OWNER BE ALLOWED THE OPTION TO ADD SHUTTERS TO THE NEW ADDITION THAT MATCH AND ARE SIMILAR IN STYLE AND DETAIL TO THE EXISTING ONES. I MOVE THE HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS PART OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD THAT HDC CASE 2021-0001 IS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S STANDARDS, AND THE OLD TOWN FERNANDINA PRESERVATION AND

DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES TO WARRANT APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. >> CHAIR HARRISON: THANK YOU

THERE'S A MOTION AS THEIR SECOND. >> SECOND MAKE SECOND BY TAMMI

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KOSACK. PLEASE CALL. >> AT MEMBER KOSACK.

>> YES. >> MEMBER POZZETTA. >> @.

>> MEMBER SPINO. >> YES TWO MEMBER DUNCAN. >> YES.

>> CHAIR HARRISON. >> YES. >> AT THREE SO WE APPRECIATE

YOUR INPUT. >> HDC CASE 2021-0002, ERNIE SALTMARSH AT 450 CENTRE'S.

[5.3 HDC 2021-0003 - ERNIE SALTMARSH, 14 S. 10TH STREET]

>> ARE WE SELF OR WHICH ONE VERSE? >> I THINK IT IS 2021-ZERO THREE

IS FIRST. >> LETS TAKE 2021-ZERO THREE. MIKE HDC 2021-ZERO ZERO THREE IS A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 14 SOUTH IT IS LOCATED IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT STUDENTS, SINCE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENCE AND WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1903. THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL IS TO RELOCATE THAT EXISTING PRIMARY STRUCTURE 2801-815 BEECH STREET TO BE REHABILITATED AND ADAPTIVELY USED FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES. THIS MAP HERE GIVES YOU A VISUAL OF WHERE THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED CURRENTLY. IT WILL MOVE ONE BLOCK OVER TO THE VACANT PARCEL HERE, IT'S ACTUALLY ON NINTH STREET. TO BECOME PART OF THE ASSEMBLY OF COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT IS CURRENTLY THERE. THE MASTER SITE FILE FROM 1985 SAYS THAT CONSTRUCTION IN 1903 IS A ONE-STORY FORM BUNGALOW RESIDENTIAL BUILDING AND ART WORTHY FOR ITS TRUNCATED COLUMNS ON PIERS. THIS HOME HAS BEEN VACANT AND A PROPERTY OF CONCERN FOR THE CITY DATING BACK TO 2009. AS PART OF AN ADAPTIVE USE PROJECT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING MOVING THE STRUCTURE ONE BLOCK TO THE WEST AND REHABILITATING THE STRUCTURE TO BE USED COMMERCIALLY. THE BUILDING WILL BE PUT BACK IN PRODUCTIVE USE IN ITS NEW LOCATION AND THERE CURRENTLY NO PLANS FOR THE USE OF THE CURRENT 25-FOOT FOOT PARCEL WHERE THE BUILDING WILL BE COMING FROM. WHEN ANALYZING THIS CASE WE LOOKED AT IN ADDITION TO THE TYPICAL CONSIDERATION OF THE REHABILITATION OF THE STRUCTURE OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE DOES OUTLINE SOME ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS WHEN TALKING ABOUT RELOCATING THE STRUCTURE. AND WANTED STATES IS THAT IF AN APPLICANT FOR A HISTORIC LANDMARK STRUCTURE FROM SITE, MOVE THE BUILDING OR STRUCTURE FROM A HISTORIC DISTRICT MOVE A BUILDING OR STRUCTURE TO THE HISTORIC CYBER MOVEMENT BUILDING TO A START DISTRICT HDC'S CONSENT. TO THE POINTS CONTAINED IN THE SECTION ONE, THE CONTRIBUTION OF THE BUILDING MAKES TO THE PRESENT SETTING, NUMBER TWO, WHETHER THERE ARE DEFINITE PLANS FOR THE USE OF THE SITE ONCE VACATED, THREE, WHETHER THE BUILDING OR STRUCTURE CAN BE MOVED WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE TO ITS INTEGRITY. FOR, THE COMPATIILITY OF THOSE STRUCTURE TO HIS PROPOSED SIDE AND ADJACENT PROPERTIES. THE STRUCTURE CONTRIBUTES TO -- AND IS SIMILAR IN SCALE TO OTHERS ON THE BLOCK. THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER IS THE NEW ZION MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH WHICH WILL RETAIN THE PARCEL THAT THE BUILDING IS COMING FROM. THERE ARE NO NEW PLANS SUBMITTED INSTRUCTION ON THAT SITE.

GRADE YOU WILL REMEMBER THAT SITE ALSO CONTAINS AN ADJACENT PARCEL WHICH INCLUDES THE PARSONAGE WHICH IS VACANT. AND TO THE RELOCATION OF THIS BUILDING WILL ALLOW FOR THE FOCUS TO BE ON THEM TO REHAB THAT BUILDING IN THE FUTURE THIS STRUCTURE THAT IS PROPOSED TO BE RELOCATED CAN BE REMOVED WITHOUT DAMAGE TO ITS PHYSICAL INTEGRITY DUE TO ITS SMALLER SIZE.

THE STRUCTURE WILL BE COMPATIBLE WITH OTHER STRUCTURES SURROUNDING THE PROPOSED SITE.

MANY OF THESE STRUCTURES WITHIN THE NEW LOCATION WERE FORMER SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THE SAME SCALE THAT HAVE ALSO BEEN THIS. THAT PROPERTY LOCATION IS NOT CURRENTLY LOCATED IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMENTS JUST ON OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARY OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.

WE ARE WORKING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TO GET THAT PROPERTY INCLUDED IN A FUTURE EXPANSION OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. ONE OF THE ISSUES WILL BE LOOKING AT WITH THIS IS THAT IT HAS NOT BEEN TO TIARA'S YET. THE ONLY ISSUE THAT STAFF HAS SEEN THAT IS NOT ADDRESSED IS

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OTHER THAN THAT THE FIND IT PROPOSED RELOCATION AND REHABILITATION ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE DOWNTOWN,'S OUTSELL DISTRICT WITH GROUP FORMS, ORIENTATION AND SETBACK.

AND TONIGHT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING OF APPROVAL OF H H11-ZERO THREE WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE PARKING BE WORKED OUT THROUGH TRC AND I THINK THAT IS.

THANK YOU. TWO TO THANK YOU ARE THERE QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE A

QUESTION. >> THIS IS MOVING OUTSIDE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WE HAVE NO PURVIEW OVER WHAT THEY WANT TO DO TO IT, WE ARE JUST APPROVING WHETHER OR NOT IT CAN BE MOVED AND THEN THEY CAN REHAB IT AS THEY DECIDE? MAC WE ARE APPROVING BOTH.

THE PROCESS HAS BEGUN TO PUT IT INTO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. IT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.

[SINGING] THENCE WE NEED ALL THE BACKUP MATERIALS?

>> YES, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE TONIGHT AND HAS A COPY OF THE MATERIALS FOR US TO

REVIEW. >> IS A REQUIREMENT IT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION

BEFORE CAN COME HERE. >> WE REQUESTED FOR LARGER PROJECTS THAT ARE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT BECAUSE THERE WERE MORE MOVING WITH THOSE PROJECTS.

THIS WAS THE ONLY REASON IT IS GOING TO TRC IS BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE OF ABUSE.

THINGS LIKE PARKING WILL BE ADDRESSED TRC. >> IF IT'S IN AN ESSENTIAL BUSINESS DISTRICT -- MAC IT IS NOT ANNA ESSENTIAL BUSINESS DISTRICT.

ONLY THIS PART IS. IT IS AN AND YOU-EIGHT. THERE IS SOME REQUIREMENTS IN M YOU 812 FEET THAT DOES NOT APPLY TO THIS IT IS NOT A NEW CONSTRUCTION AND OBVIOUSLY YOU CANNOT MAKE IT 12 FEET JUST TO NOTE THAT. TALKING ABOUT ONE OF THE STRUCTURE FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT ANOTHER, I FEEL CERTAIN THAT WE SHOULD GO AHEAD WITH IT.

WHAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT IS WHETHER THE SECOND PART, THAT IS THAT HIS NAME THE -- INTO THIS HISTORIC DISTRICT, IF IT SHOULD FEEL THAT EFFECTIVELY WE ARE AUTHORIZING THE REMOVAL OF THE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE FROM THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. [SINGING] THAT IS TRUE. STAFF IS CONFIDENCE IT HAS THE OWNER'S APPROVAL IT HAS STAFF RECOMMENDATION. IS THAT THE ONLY STAFF LEFT GOES TO THE COMMISSION FOR THE EXPANSION IT COMES TO THE HDC WHERE WE HAVE A HEARING AND THEN WE WOULD MOVE ONTO THE PLANNED ADVISORY BOARDS OF THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CITY COMMISSION AND THE ORDINANCE

WOULD HAVE TO READ INTENSITY COMMISSION. >> THE OWNERS HAVE AGREED?

>> YES. >> CHAIR HARRISON: ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF HEALTH? CAN WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT PLEASE? PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF BY NAME AND ADDRESS AMERICA GOOD EVENING, MICHAEL, 422 SOUTH SIXTH STREET.

SAL DID A GREAT JOB OUTLINING WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO OBVIOUSLY MOVING THE HOUSE, FOR THE RECORD BECAUSE YOUR ASKING, THE OWNERS ARE IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROPERTY BEING PART OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT APPARENTLY WHY WE ARE HERE IS EVEN THOUGH -- WE WANT YOUR INPUT AND APPROVAL IN THE PROCESS. SO UNDERSTANDING WHERE WE WILL BE IN THE FUTURE.

APPARENTLY THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE UPLOADING OF THE APPLICATION WHERE ALL OF THE ELEVATIONS INSTRUCTED NOT MAKE IT INTO IT. I BROUGHT COPIES FOR EVERYBODY.

I'LL ASK ROB IF HE CAN HAND THESE OUT WHILE I AM TALKING. IT HAS ALL FOUR ELEVATIONS IN ALL OF THE PROPOSALS AND LISTED MATERIALS ET CETERA. THOSE OF YOU WHO WENT BY IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUILDING THERE IS A LITTLE DILAPIDATED AND WE WON'T THINK ABOUT MOVING THAT.

IT'S IN SUCH BAD SHAPE. THE FRONT PORCH ITSELF ALSO IF YOU NOTICE ALL OF THE PIERS ARE

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PIERS AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO THE CONTRACTORS LINED UP TO GET THAT PIERS READY TO GO WILL DO CONCRETE BLOCK BUT WE WILL TILE ALL THE PIERS. THE METAL ROOF IS IN BAD SHAPE AND WE ARE REPLACING THANK YOU THAT WE WILL BE REPLACING THEM WITH ANOTHER ROOF IS ONE THAT HAS BEEN USED IN THE DISTRICT BEFORE AND SORT OF WHAT IS THERE, OBVIOUSLY WE WILL DO IN ADDITION TO THE BACK. WE HAVE INSERTED A LITTLE BIT SO THE ROOFLINE STILL COMPETE SO YOU CAN STILL SEE THE FORM OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. I GABLE JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE HIGH FOR MECHANICAL WORK AND THAT KIND OF THING. IT WILL HAVE A HIP ROOF STYLE ALTHOUGH IT SAYS SHED NOW IT WILL BE A HIP STYLE WITH THE EXISTING OVERHANGS I GUESS THAT IS THE SUMMARY. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

>> CHAIR HARRISON: ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT'S MARK. >> I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.

THE FIRST TIME ON THE SITE CLAIM YOU SUBMITTED I THINK THERE'S A BUILDING MISSING.

>> THERE IS MIKE I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS CORRECT IN UNDERSTANDING WHERE IT IS AND

EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. >> THERE IS ONE RIGHT INSIDE. >> THE OTHER QUESTION IS ADJUSTING DRIVING BODY I GUESS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY THERE'S A DRIVEWAY, SINCE THE SURVEY THAT YOU HAVE DOESN'T SHOW TREES OR ANYTHING IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS A ROAD WITH CEDARS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, DO YOU KNOW IF THOSE ARE ON THEIR PROPERTY OR YOUR PROPERTY? THEY ARE KIND OF LEANED TOWARDS THIS PROPERTY.

THE REASON I AM ASKING THIS BECAUSE WE ARE 2 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AND I AM WONDERING

WHAT IMPACT IT LOOKS LIKE IT COULD DECIMATE THOSE TREES. >> WE HAVE LOOKED AT THEM.

OUR ISSUE FOR THIS IS AND I DO HAVE A SURVEY COME I THINK IT WAS -- I DID NOT MAKE ADDITIONAL COPIES BUT I CAN'T PASS IT AROUND. THE CEDAR TREES ARE ON THE PROPERTY ONE WAS RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE. THE OTHER IS ABOUT INTO FEET.

OUR ISSUE IS THAT THE BUILDING IS 19 FEET. WE HAVE 5-FOOT FOR THE RAMP ON THE SIDE OF THE LOT IS 30-FOOT WIDE. OUR TOTAL WIDTH OF THE STRUCTURE WITHOUT CROSSING THE 30-FOOT LOT IS 24 FEET. CERTAINLY BEING 6 FEET VERSUS TWO GIVES A BETTER CHANCE OF SAVING THE TREES. THEY WILL HAVE TO BE CUT SIGNIFICANTLY. WE DID LOOK AT THAT AND DID NOT COME TO A FINAL CONCLUSION BUT WE PUT THE SITE PLAN TOGETHER. PART OF THAT WAS THE PATHWAYS WITH THE OTHER BUILDINGS THAT

ARE THERE BUT CERTAINLY CAN TAKE A LOOK. >> I HAD A QUESTION THAT SEGUES OFF OF THAT, REGARDING NOT SURE WHAT YOUR FIRE CODE ISSUE POTENTIAL IS BEING ONLY 2 FEET VERSUS 3 FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE. AND I SEE WE HAVE GOT NEW WINDOWS ALONG THERE, AND IF IT IS ATTRIBUTING STRUCTURE HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT MY ALLOW YOU AROUND THAT REQUIREMENTS AND WILL LET YOU PUT THE WINDOWS IN. BUT I WANT TO CAUTION AGAINST ESSENTIALLY RUNNING AFOUL FIRE CODE ISSUES, THAT MIGHT BE ANOTHER IMPETUS OF MAKING SURE HE GETS IN DISTRICT CIRCUITS EXPANDED BECAUSE THEN YOU ARE ALLOWED CERTAIN WAYS AROUND FIRE

CODE ISSUES. >> THREE CLIENT AS PART OF THE BUSINESS SEPARATION.

BEST CASE SCENARIO IF WE CENTERED ON THE LOT WE WOULD BE 5 FEET WHICH HELPS US A LITTLE BIT. AND CERTAINLY ANYTHING WE MOVE INTO THE SOUTH IS A BETTER CHANCE. IT'S ABOUT 3 FEET IN ON THE SURVEY EVEN MOVING ALL THE WAY TO THE SOUTH WITH A HANDICAP ON THE SIDE THAT MIGHT BE DIFFICULT.

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THEY DO HAVE CANOPIES SO EVEN THOUGH THIS IS NOT A TALL HOUSE BUT IT MIGHT BE.

>> YOU'RE DEFINITELY GOING TO LOSE THE OAK TREES. >> THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO

ABOUT THE OAKTREE. >> IS ONE CEDAR, YOU CAN TELL IT IS THREE OR 4 FEET IN.

>> ONE IS THAT YOU HAVE ON THE OUTSIDE EDGE OF THE RAMP TO THE PARK.

ON THE SOUTH SIDE? >> RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SO. WE ARE 4 FEET ON THE INSIDE.

WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ROOM TO THE SOUTH. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT WE ARE ABOUT BEADED. WERE A COUPLE FEET OFF OF THAT. THE OTHER ONE IS FURTHER THAT WOULD BE FIVE HACKERS WHEN ARE YOU PLANNING TO MAKE THIS CHANGE WHEN ARE YOU PLANNING TO DO THE

WORK? >> WE DON'T HAVE IT SCHEDULED YET OBVIOUSLY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WE ARE ON THE CRC AGENDA WE WILL GET THAT FIRST STEP TAKEN CARE OF, IF WE HAVE

TO GO THROUGH PARKING. >> I SAW IN ONE OF THE DRAWINGS THAT IT REFERENCES 6-FOOT SETBACK IS THAT IN AND YOU ANYTHING. ORIGINALLY IT IS IN MANY WAYS BUT IF WE ARE RIGHT THAT'S ONLY APPLIES TO AIDS. WE WOULD LIKE TO ACTUALLY MOVE

THE HOUSE UP TO WHERE THE FRONTS APPS ARE AT THE PROPERTY LINE. >> SOMATIC I FORGOT ABOUT THAT.

YOU HELP US OUT EARLIER IN THE WEEK AND ASKED THAT QUESTIONS MAKE IT HARD TO SAY, I WAS INTERESTED WE DON'T SEE THE OTHER BUILDINGS IN THIS IN THE CONTEXT IN LOOKING AT THE AERIAL PHOTOS ARE WHATEVER I CAN BE KIND OF SEEMED LIKE THE PREDOMINANT ENDS ON THE STREET WAS THAT THE BUILDING WAS PUSHED TO THAT PROPERTY YES, AT FIRST WE THOUGHT WE HAD TO HAVE THAT O

HAVE THE EIGHTH RULES IN THAT ZONING. >> I UNDERSTAND TO MAKE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT? MR. CHAIRMAN I THINK WE SHOULD ALWAYS GIVE CREDIT WHEN CREDIT IS DUE SOUTH I AM CURIOUS THE CLIENT, YOU, THE CLIENT AS FAR

AS I KNOW. >> IT'S A WONDERFUL PROJECT BY THE WAY.

>> LET'S NOT THAT GET LOST IN THIS TECHNICAL CONVERSATION THIS BOARD REALLY UP SHE AIDS THEN BE IN UPON THEMSELVES. IT'S GREAT SOMATIC AND THERE'S NO NEED TO DISCOUNT, SAL HAS BEEN INTEGRAL IN HELPING US WORK THROUGH CHALLENGES. IT'S BEEN A TEAM EFFORT.

>> IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME IT HAS HAPPENED. SOME OF THE OTHERS.

>> AND ALSO TO HAVE KNOWING THAT EARNING IS INVOLVED WITH AND GIVES US COMFORT KNOWING IT IS

GOING TO BE DONE RIGHT BECAUSE HE CERTAINLY HAS -- >> OKAY.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? IT WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO OR AGAINST THE PROPOSAL? SEEING NO MOVEMENT AND I CLOSE THE, WE ARE INTO BOARD

DISCUSSION. >> I GUESS MY ONLY COMMENTS IS SEEN THAT THESE TREES ARE IN THE SIDING OF THE BUILDING ON THE PROPERTY IS SET IT'S A QUESTION, ARE THESE CEDAR TREES WORTH MAKING A CHANGE TO THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDING AND EVEN IF WE DID, WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD OF THEM BEING A IF WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A REALISTIC CHANGE OF 4 FEET OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

PERSONALLY I AM NOT SURE THAT I SEE THE JUSTIFICATION THEREFORE ASKING THE APPLICANT'S TO RELOCATE THE BUILDING. I THINK IT FROM THAT SALE CLIENT AS FAR AS OPERATIONS ARE CONCERNED. WITHOUT A COMPELLING SIN THAT WOULD TEND TO BE WHERE THE LINE

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IS THAT I'M INTERESTED TO HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. >> I AGREE WITH YOU.

TREES IN THE CITY HAVE A TENDENCY TO GROW WITHOUT APPROVAL.

>> AND, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THAT ZONING FOR THIS ZERO LOT LINE MAC I THINK THAT IS CORRECT SOMATIC YOU COULD BUILD A BUILDING THERE BRING IT RIGHT UP TO THE PROPERTY.

>> THAT IS RIGHT. TO WHAT EXTENT DOES THE NEW DESIGN REQUIRE MEMBERSHIP OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IN TERMS OF TRC RELEASE OR RELAXATION OR DESIGN REQUIREMENTS?

>> ARE YOU ASKING IF WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND THEN TRC TO TRY TO INFLUENCE OUR OPINION ON

THAT? >> NO, I AM ASKING NOW WHAT CONDITIONAL ELEMENTS THERE ARE

IN THE DESIGN THAT IS BEING PRESENTED FOR THE PROPERTY ON. >> SO, THE ONLY OUTSTANDING ELEMENT WOULD BE THE PARKING ELEMENTARY AND THAT MOST LIKELY WILL COME BACK NEXT MONTH TO THE AGED FOR A VARIANCE TO ALLOW THEM, MR. SALTMARSH OWNS A PARKING LOT ACROSS THE STREET AND HE IS ALLOWED TO DO 50% OF HIS PARKING OFF SITE. THAT DOESN'T ACCOMMODATE ALL OF THE PARKING REQUIRED. HE IS GOING TO NEED A VARIANCE TO ALLOW FOR ALL EVENT PARKING

TO BE SHARED WITH THE PARKING LOT HE OWNS ACROSS THE. >> IF WE CHOOSE TO APPROVE, IS OUR APPROVAL CONDITIONAL UPON TRC APPROVAL AND THEN COMING BACK FOR OUR FINAL APPROVAL?

>> MY RECOMMENDATION IS TO APPROVE WITH THE CONDITION THAT THE VARIANCE BE GRANTED.

THEN IF THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONAL CHANGES THAT WOULD NEED TO OCCUR BECAUSE OF SOMETHING THAT IS DISCUSSED AT TRC WHICH WE DON'T BELIEVE THERE WILL BE, IF IT WERE THAN IT WOULD COME BACK FOR AN AMENDMENT FOR ANY CHANGES THAT WOULD AFFECT THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING.

>> SAL, YOU SAID WITH THE REQUIREMENT OF THE VARIATION WOULD BE APPROVED, OR IS THERE ANOTHER WAY OF SAYING SUBJECT TO THE VARIANCE OF BEING APPROVED? YES.

>> AND JUST TO BE CLEAR WHAT THE APPLICANT IS ASKING US TO DO IS THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDING AS IT RELATES TO THE PROPERTY LINE TO SEE IF THE BUILDING TO WHERE THE FRONT STEPS ALIGN WITH THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE. IS THAT RIGHT? BECKETT NEEDS TO BE ON THE RECORD. [SINGING] THAT COULD BE SOMETHING

CLARIFIED. >> I THINK IT SHOULD BE INC INCLUDED.

>> EYE-MOVEMENT TO APPROVE HD CKS 2021-SUSAN THREE WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, THAT THE APPROVAL IS SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS THAT COME FORWARD IN THE TRC PROCESS HAVE MET IF A VARIANCE IS THREE ACQUIRED INCOME BEFORE US AND GET APPROVAL BEFORE THIS PROJECT IS CONSIDERED APPROVED AND THAT THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDING IS SHIFTED TOWARDS THE STREET SO THAT THE FRONT PORCH STEPS ALIGN WITH THE FRONT PROPERTY LINE AND I MOVE THAT HCC MAKES THESE FOLLOWING PART OF THE RECORD THAT HCC CASE 2021-ZERO THREE IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S STANDARDS, AND THE OLD TOWN FERNANDINA PRESERVATION AND DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES TO WARRANT APPROVAL AT THIS TIME.

>> SECOND. >> MR. CHAIRMAN A QUESTION. DOES THE VARIANCE COME HERE?

>> YES. IF THE VARIANCE IS THE OPTION THAT IS CHOSEN FOR PARKING, YES

IT WOULD COME TO HCC NEXT MONTH. >> IT WAS SAID THAT THIS PROPERTY -- IS IF IT'S NOT IN

HCC. >> BECAUSE THE PROCESS HAVE BEEN STARTED WE WILL HANDLE IT THAT

WAY. >> CAN I SAY THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU AND YOU WILL DO A

BEAUTIFUL JOB AS ALWAYS. >> I THINK WE NEED TO VOTE ON THE MOTION.

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>> REDO. >> IT SEEMS IT TO ME MR. MORRISON'S MOTION WAS FAIRLY EXTENSIVE. DO YOU HAVE SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE A MINUTE.

>> YES, I TOO. >> IN THAT CASE, PLEASE CALL. >> MEMBER KOSACK.

>> YES. >> IT MEMBER POZZETTA. >> YES.

>> MEMBER SPINO. >> YES. >> VICE CHAIR MORRISON.

>> YES. >> CHAIR HARRISON. >> YES.

>> I THINK TOMMY HAS CREATED A NEW GLASSMAKER DOING MOTIONS WITH APPROVAL.

>> CONGRATULATIONS. WE LOOK FORWARD TO THAT HPPENING.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE PROPERTY COMING INTO THE HCC. AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR WORK

IN MAKING THIS HAPPEN. >> YOU CAN KEEP THAT IF YOU NEED IT FOR THE RECORD.

[5.2 HDC 2021-0002 - ERNIE SALTMARSH, 415 CENTRE STREET]

>> CHAIR HARRISON: NOW, LET'S GO TO HCC CASE 2021-0002. RUNNING SALTMARSH FOR 415 CENTER

STREET. >> THIS PROPERTY LOCATED AT 415 CENTRE STREET.

THE ZONING IS C3 WITH THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND THIS PROPERTY WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1816. IT IS A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE TO THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE REQUESTED ACTION IS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL TO STALL OVOID ADA RAMP ON THE PRIMARY AND THE REHABILITATION OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO INCLUDE CONVERSION OF ONE WINDOW INTO A DOOR AT THE SOUTH ELEVATION AND THE ADDITION OF A DOOR ON THE NORTH ELEVATION. AS YOU ARE FAMILIAR, THIS IS NEXT TO THE POST OFFICE THIS IS THE HOME FROM MY FRONT. AS PART OF AN ADAPTIVE USE PROJECT TO UTILIZE THE PROPERTY HAS A COMMERCIAL VENUE THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING TO MAKE THAT STRUCTURE ADA COMPATIBLE BY CONSTRUCTING A WOOD ADA RAMP ON THE WEST ELEVATION MERRY STRUCTURE.

THE PROJECT ALSO INCLUDES THE REHABILITATION OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.

THE CHANGES TO THE WINDOWS AND DOORS. STAFF FINDS THE PROPOSED ALTERATIONS ARE COMPATIBLE WITH THE DOWNTOWN HISTORIC DISTRICT IN TERMS OF MATERIAL, SCALE, PROPORTIONS, PERFORMANCE, ORIENTATION AND SETBACKS. APP IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF

HDC 2021-ZERO TWO. THANK YOU. >> CHAIR HARRISON: THANK YOU.

QUESTION FOR SAL? >> QUESTION, SINCE THIS IS A REGISTERED HISTORIC PROPERTY ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO GO BY? ELECT THE SAME REQUIREMENTS. IT'S CONSIDERED A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE TO THE DISTRICT.

>> YOU SAID THAT YOU THINK THE MATERIALS ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE GUIDELINES AND THE ONLY QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS WHETHER OR NOT IS A TRACK GENERALLY CONSIDERED TO BE COMPATIBLE

PRODUCT TO BE USED IN THIS DISTRICT? >> WE HAVE ALLOWED IT FOR THINGS LIKE RAMS THAT CLEARLY SHOW THAT THEY ARE NEW ADDITIONS ONTO THAT HISTORIC STRUCTURE.

WE HAVE ALLOWED IT IN THE PAST FOR SPECIFIC PROJECTS LIKE THAT. >> IT WE WOULD NOT WANT TO SEE IT IF IT WERE THE FRONT PORCH REDONE AND TRACKS. THAT WOULD NEED TO BE WOOD.

BUT ITEMS LIKE THIS WE HAVE ALLOWED FOR ADA RAMPS IN THE PAST TO BE TRACKS PRODUCTS.

>> CHAIR HARRISON: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR SAL? LET'S HEAR IN THE APPLICANT.

>> MICHAEL, APPLICANT, SOUTH SIX STREET. SUMMARIZE THE PROJECT VERY WELL.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE NOTICE I THINK THIS WAS APPROVED PREVIOUSLY AS THE FRONT RAILINGS ON THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE PORCH. THE DESIGN THAT WE ARE USING IS IN A HISTORICALLY DOCUMENTED PHOTOGRAPHS. THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN AT A COURSE IF WERE ON THE RAMP IT BEGINS TO DIFFERENTIATE THE NEW CONSTRUCTION FROM THE OLD. BECAUSE OF THE BUILDING IS NEARLY 60 INCHES OUT OF THE GROUND OBVIOUSLY IT IS 50 SOMETHING FEET LONG.

WE KIND OF PUT IT ON THE WEST SIDE THE LEAST VISIBLE SIGN THAT WE ARE UP AGAINST THE POST OFFICE. AND THEN THE CONVERSION OF THE BUILDING ON THE BACK SUPPORTS AND DOING ACCESSIBLE BATHROOM SINCE IT IS DIFFICULT TO GET IN AND OUT OF THAT HOUSE AND MADE SENSE FOR US TO USE THE OUTSIDE FOR THE BATHROOMS AND THE CATERING KITCHEN.

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>> CHAIR HARRISON: THANK YOU. QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? >> IS IN A WHOLE SHELL OF THE GARAGE IS REMAINING. SIX WINDOWS, NOTHING IS CHANGING ON THE SHOW?

OTHER THAN -- THAT IS CORRECT. >> OKAY. LET'S OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THIS CASE?

SEE NONE, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND DISCUSSION. >> I THINK IT IS NICE THAT IT'S AN EXAMPLE OF AN ADAPTIVE REUSE IS BEING THE FUNDAMENTAL SHELL OF THE EXISTING FUNDAMENTAL RESIDENCE INTACT. BY SHIFTING IT OUT TO THE GARAGE I THINK IT'S A CREATIVE SOLUTION THAT WORKS WITH MINIMAL IMPACT ON THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE. I THINK IT IS A POSITIVE

PROJECT. >> GOOD PROBLEM-SOLVING. >> CHAIR HARRISON: I HEAR RUMORS THAT THE HOUSE IS HAUNTED. HAVE YOU DISCUSSED THIS DESIGN? MAC NOT YET THE TWO ARE WE READY

FOR EMOTION? >> I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

I MOVED TO APPROVE HDC CASE 2021-0002 WITHOUT CONDITIONS AND I MOVE THAT HDC MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW PART OF THE RECORD, THAT HDC CASE 2021-0002 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE SECRETARY OF THE INTERIOR'S STANDARDS, AND THE OLD TOWN FERNANDINA PRESERVATION AND DEVELOPMENT GUIDELINES TO WARRANT APPROVAL AT THIS TIME. TOWARDS APPROVAL AT THIS TIME

SECOND. >> SECONDS AND MS. KOSACK. >> IT PLEASE CALL ROLES.

>> ATMEMBER KOSACK. >> YES. >> MEMBER POZZETTA.

>> YES. >> IT MEMBER SPINO. >> YES.

>> VICE-CO MORRISON. >> YES. >> CHAIR HARRISON.

>> YES. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LET'S MOVE INTO BOARD BUSINESS

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NOW. >> YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT WITH HIM HIS QUESTION WAS EARLIER I

GUESS? >> CHAIR HARRISON: I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SUGGEST SOMETHING FOR THE AGENDA AND THAT IS THAT THE AGENDA FOR THE MARCH MEETING IS LOOKING VERY SLIM.

SO, HAVING GATHERED THE BOARD TOGETHER HERE, SAL HAS SUGGESTED THAT WE MIGHT USEFULLY USE SOME BALANCE OF THE TIME IN MARCH TO INCORPORATE SOME OTHER TRAINING OR SOME KIND OF PRESENTATION.

I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO DECIDE WHAT THAT IS TONIGHT, BUT IF YOU HAVE SUGGESTIONS, PLEASE

SEND THEM BY E-MAIL TO SAL. >> MAY BE AN UPDATE ON WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE OLD TESTAMENT

STUFF. WE CAN DO THAT. >> ARE THEY DOING -- THERE WILL BE ANOTHER SURVEY FOR JUST THE RESIDENCE THIS TIME AND THEN ANOTHER PUBLIC FORUM FOR

EVERYBODY. >> IT'S IN APRIL, WE DON'T HAVE A DATE YET.

>> CHAIR HARRISON: SO, TO TO ME WOULD YOU LIKE TO ELABORATE ON THE EMOTION.

>> SO, WE KNOW THE HISTORY OF FACT, WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE ONLY HISTORIC STRUCTURES LEFT ON THE WATERFRONT AND WE KNOW THAT THE BACKUP THAT THE BUILDING IS STRUCTURALLY SOUND.

WE HAVE A PRICE TO MOVE THE BUILDING TO CITY PROPERTY AND I THINK WHAT WE ARE WAITING FOR IS NOW AN ENGINEERING DESIGNATION OF SOME SORT TO BE PUT FORTH THAT WHAT I HAD REQUESTED OF THE

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THAT OPENS UP TRANCE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE STRUCTURE SEMI- FOR QUESTION IS AS A BOARD, IF WE ARE REALLY ADVOCATING PRESERVATION AND SALVAGING OF OUR CULTURAL AND HISTORIC ARCHITECTURAL HISTORIC TEACHERS, WHAT WE DO TO PUSH THIS FORWARD? HOW DO WE TAKE THIS TO THE COMMISSION, TO THE CITY TO WHOEVER WE NEED TO TAKE IT TO

AND SAY WE HAVE TO FIGHT FOR THIS. >> I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION FOR

YOU, SAL. >> IT'S A QUESTION FOR ANYBODY. >> IT'S FOR THE BOARD TO

DISCUSS. >> I THINK THAT FIRST, WHICH I KNOW IT WILL BE A SHORT DISCUSSION, HOW IMPORTANT IS IT TO THE BOARD THAT THIS BE DONE THAT IS ONE QUESTION, DO YOU WANT IN SUN #THEN I THINK THAT YOU HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, YOU CAN SEND A LETTER THROUGH THE CHAIR THAT SAYS HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO PRESERVE. AS YOU KNOW, THE LIMITATIONS FOR THE CITY ARE GOING TO BE, WHERE'D WE PUT A BUILDING IF THE CITY TAKE SINK, WHERE WHERE DO WE PUT IN. AND WHAT HAPPENS TO AFTER WE PUT IT THERE AND THEN START, BUT PROBABLY MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYTHING, IS THE COST. THE COST TO MOVE IT IS MINIMAL AT ABOUT $100,000 COMPARED TO THE COST TO REHAB, RETROFIT, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT FOR SOME TYPE OF REUSE OF THAT BUILDING. AND, THAT I KNOW IN CONVERSATIONS ONE-ON-ONE WITH CITY COMMISSIONERS AND THE MANAGER AND I HAVE, THAT THAT IS THE PRIMARY CONCERN. HUMANS, IF WE CAN GET AND COME I WILL SAY THAT IT MAY COME TO THIS, IF WE COULD GET ENOUGH INTEREST IN THE RITZY, FOLKS THAT HAVE THE CAPITAL TO DO, THEN I THINK THE CITY WOULD PUT IN SOME CONTRIBUTION FINANCIALLY TO MAKE SOME PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS YES BUT NOT THE FORMAL KIND OF STATUTE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT.

AND, THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES, I AM NOT A TAX ATTORNEY. THAT I SAY THAT LOUD AND CLEAR.

BUT WHEN FOLKS PROVIDE MONETARY DONATIONS TO SOMETHING THAT BELONGS TO THE CITY, THAT IS TAX DEDUCTIBLE. AND THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT MAKES, JUST THINKING OUT LOUD HERE. BUT YOUR MESSAGE NEEDS TO GET TO THE CITY COMMISSION.

I WOULD THINK THE QUICKEST WAYS THROUGH SOME FORMAL WRITING THROUGH THE CHAIR, SIGNED BY THE CHAIR THAT SOUTH BEND DELIVERED TO THE CITY MANAGER AND GET TO THE CITY COMMISSION.

THE CITY COMMISSIONERS ALL OF THEM ARE AWARE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT.

IT IS ON THE MARCH 2 CITY COMMISSION DISCUSSION WORKSHOP. IT IS FOUR TO FIVE ON THAT AGENDA. SO PLEASE DO COME. YOU CANNOT SPEAK BUT YOU AT LEAST WATCH, TENSE, NEED WHAT THEY MAY DECIDE. I CAN TELL YOU THAT THEY YOU WILL PROBABLY LEAVE WITH MORE QUESTIONS THAN A FINAL DECISION AND THOSE QUESTIONS BE IN MONEY, WHERE, HOW, THOSE THINGS HAVE NOT BEEN ANSWERED. YOU MAY THANK YOU COMING TO ME.

DO YOU KNOW IF THERE IS A FRIEND SOME FRIENDS GROUP THAT IS ALREADY TRYING TO GET BEHIND

THIS? >> I DON'T KNOW. I KNOW THERE ARE CITIZENS THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY HAVE GOTTEN TOGETHER AND ARE SINGING THE SAME SO TO SPEAK I THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE THAT WOULD BE A USEFUL, THEY COULD BRAINSTORM AND SOME WAYS TO PROMOTE THE STRUCTURE MAY BE SOME OPEN HOUSE OR DISPLAY OF WHAT'S IN THERE, SO THAT PEOPLE CAN LOOK AROUND AND GET PS TO CORY. THE OTHER THING I WOULD ASK IS, DO WE HAVE A OUTLINE FOR THIS

BUILDING? >> WELL, WHEN YOU SAY OUTLINE I CONSIDER THAT TO BE SOMETHING FORMAL, WELL THOUGHT OUT AND EVALUATED IN THE ANSWER IS NO. BUT THERE ARE MANY IDEAS.

IF SOMEBODY HAD OR SOME FOLKS OTHER THAN THE CITY TAXPAYERS ALONE HAD CAPITAL, I THINK THAT

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FOR COMMERCIAL SPACE. >> THERE'S RETAIL SPACE AND WE SAW THIS IS ABOUT THE RIGHT SCALE WHAT THEY SHOWED US AND IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE US, THIS BODY RESPECT TO THE CITY MANAGER TO SUGGEST THAT THEY COULD CONSIDER CORPORATION OF THIS BUILDING INTO THE WATERFRONT AS IT WOULD BE THE LAST HISTORIC STRUCTURE FRONT STREET THAT WOULD ACTUALLY GET TO PRESERVE AS PART OF OUR WATERFRONT. DID I SAY THAT RIGHT?

>> SOUNDS GOOD. >> IT CAN WE HAVE SOME BACKGROUND ON HOW THIS IT HAS BECOME THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO PRESERVE THIS BUILDING PROPERTY OWNERS RESPONSIBILITY? ASSUMING THE PROPERTY OWNER WOULD JUST TEAR IT DOWN. SO COME IF WE WANT TO PRESERVE IT IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME ACTION EITHER PRIVATE CITIZEN OR BIAS COLLECTIVELY INSISTED THEY.

>> IT IS NOT PROTECTED BY THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

>> BUT IT'S NOT PROTECTED. >> THEY CAME TO US AND ASKED FOR A DEMO AND THEN WHEN WE SAW THE INTERIOR AND THE CONDITION OF THE BUILDING WE PUT THE DEMO DELAY ON IT AND THEN SELL WORKS WITH THE ELDERS AND THE OWNER SAID OKAY, WE WILL BACK OFF WHILE YOU FIGURE OUT THE CITY IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT CAN MOVE IT. THEY HAVE BEEN GRACIOUS TO GIVE US THIS TIME BUT THAT TIME IS TICKING AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH THE BUILDING. IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN PICTURES OF IT, IT'S INCREDIBLE ON THE INSIDE OF IT. IT HAS FRONT WOOD TRUSSES, AND WINDOWS THAT ARE STILL INTACT.

IT WOULD BE AN AMAZING BASE, INTERIORLY THE EXTERIOR RIGHT NOW, THEY HAVE TAX DOES SOME THINGS TO ABUTTED SO STRUCTURALLY SOUND AND IT'S AN INCREDIBLE PIECE.

IT HAS PEDIGREE IN -- IS NOT GOING TO BE A FAKE FROM DIFFERENT.

SO, I THINK ESPECIALLY WITH THE COMMISSION JUST APPROVING THE FIRST THREE STEPS OF DESIGN FOR THE WATERFRONT IS A PERFECT TIME FOR -- TO TRY TO STICK THIS IN THERE SOMEWHERE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE CAN BE ARCHED UP CITY PROPERTY STATEMENT SO THROUGH THE CHAIR TO THE CITY COMMISSION -- IS A SMART PERSON AND HE/SHE IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY IS THE CITY INVOLVED IN THIS BUILDING? REALLY NEED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION TO THE CITY OR RUN THE

RISK THAT PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND. >> OR WHY WE WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY ON IT AND THEN WE PROBABLY ALSO NEED TO HAVE SOMEWHERE PUBLIC SOMETHING ANOTHER, WE PUT IN A COUPLE OF THESE AMAZING INTERIOR PHOTOS THAT SHOW WHAT IS IN THE BUILDING.

MY OTHER THOUGHT ABOUT THAT IS I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO ASK OURSELVES INTO SAYING THEY SHOULD BE A RETAIL PIECE BECAUSE I THINK IF WE WANT TO SHOOT FOR CERTAIN GRANTS IT MAY HAVE TO BE A COMBO. IT COULD BE A MARKET BUT I THINK IS THAT RIGHT CUSTOMER.

>> THAT CMA PHIL GRAMM. IT DOESN'T QUALIFY FOR THAT BEING MOVED, THAT WOULD BE TO ACQUIRE THE PROPERTY WHERE IT IS SIGNIFICANT THAT THEY ALSO DID IMPROVEMENTS.

>> I BELIEVE OUR GRANTS ADMINISTRATOR, MS. JACOBS HAS CALLED ABOUT THAT GRANDSON ASKED SPECIFIC QUESTIONS AND DISCOVERED TO MOVE IT IS NOT A QUALIFIED OF THE GRANTS FOR MEDICATIONS IF I MIGHT INTERJECT FOR A MOMENT, MY UNDERSTANDING ONE OF THE COMPLICATIONS THE CITY AND ALSO I GUESS PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS EVALUATING EVEN JUST ROUGH ESTIMATES OF THE COST TO REHAB AND RETROFIT THE BUILDING FOR ANOTHER USE IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE ARCHITECTS AVAILABLE.

THEY ARE GETTING PAID WITH THEIR OTHER CLIENTS AND THEY JUST NOT HAVE THE TIME OR IF THEY DO,

IT'S WEEKS AND WEEKS DOWN THE ROAD. >> IT'S IRONIC THAT JUST AND I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND IT, THERE'S A TREMENDOUS PUBLIC SUPPORT AND NOSTALGIA FOR THIS ATLANTIC SEAFOOD BUILDING THAT IS AN SIGNIFICANT AND WE ARE SALVAGING ARE NO YOU HAVE ALL THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT IT AND THAT WE HAVE THIS OTHER BUILDING THAT IS HISTORICALLY SIGNIFICANT AND IS IMPORTANT IN MOST OF THE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT.

I THINK THAT IS WHAT THE HEART OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO TALK ABOUT HERE IS THAT THERE IS JUST AN ISSUE WITH EDUCATION AND LETTING PEOPLE KNOW WHEN I THINK THAT IF THE MESSAGE GETS OUT THERE, THERE IS ENOUGH PASSIONATE PEOPLE IN THE DAY THAT THERE IS A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAPPEN THAT YOU DON'T EXPECT TO HAPPEN. LOOK WHAT -- DID TONIGHT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WILL RISE TO THE OCCASION BUT YOU HAVE TO LET THEM KNOW

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IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY. >> MAYBE ERNIE WOULD PREFER TO DO THIS.

>> SHE'S NOT A SPEAKER RANGE. I DO WANT TO SAY, I HAVE JUMPED OUT OF MY HEAD.

>> I'LL THINK ABOUT IT. OH GETTING WORD DOWN TO SOCIAL MEDIA AND OTHER WAYS, AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, SOME HAVING AN ARCHITECT OR SOMEBODY TO LET SOME OF THE BUSINESS PEOPLE IN TOWN THAT MIGHT WANT TO LOCATE OR BE ABLE TO KNOW SOME ROUGH ESTIMATE, SOME IDEA BEFORE BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THE CITY COMMISSION IS GOING TO TO KNOW SO THAT WE ARE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE TAXPAYER MONEY IS, IS THERE SOMEBODY LINED UP TO TAKE OVER AND GET THIS BUILDING UP TO CODE AND USABLE? I CAN TELL YOU MOST LIKELY AT LEAST IN MY CONVERSATION SO FAR, THE CITY WILL NOT PAY TO MOVE THIS WORD OR EVEN ACCEPT SOMEBODY MOVING IT TO THE WATERFRONT SITE NEXT ATLANTIC A PLACE THAT WE COULD PUT IT INTO HIS POCKETS OUT AND HOPE FOR THE BEST FOR YOU THAT IS SOME POINT IT HAPPENED.

THEY ARE AFRAID THAT WE WILL END UP WITH THAT BUILDING THERE IN THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE THE MONEY TO DO THAT. SO TO HAVE SOMEBODY WILLING TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. I KNOW YOU SAID THAT PEOPLE ARE NOSTALGIC AND WANTED TO SAVE THE ATLANTIC SEAFOOD BUILDING. I CAN TELL YOU AND YOU CAN TELL EVERYBODY THAT'S FREE THAT AIN'T HAPPENING. THAT ATLANTIC SEAFOOD BUILDING IS GOING TO BE LEVELED.

IT WILL BE THAT LONG FROM NOW. I WOULD SAY THE NEXT 12-18 MONTHS.

WE ARE IN CONVERSATIONS WITH A HAND IS FOR ATLANTIC SEAFOOD AND WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION UNDER THAT LEASE TO PROVIDE HER AT LEAST 1000 SQUARE FEET OF SPACE AND SHE IS INTERESTED AND HAS TALKED WITH US ABOUT MORE. ABOUT MORE SPACE PERHAPS BUILDING HER OWN BUILDINGS

EQUITY LIKE A 42 BY 42 STRUCTURE? >> SHE IS NOT INTERESTED.

SHE DREW THAT IF WE DID ASK HER. >> I THINK MUCH OF THE NOSTALGIA OF ASSOCIATED WITH ATLANTIC SEAFOOD FOR THERE'S NOTHING GREAT ABOUT THE BUILDING IS THE COLOR OF THE SCRIPTS ON THE FRONT. AND IT'S A LITTLE SEE SHANTIES BANK THAT SITS OVER A MAJOR

STORM AREA. >> I UNDERSTAND. SO, THAT BUILDING WILL BE GONE.

AND SO. >> WE CAN HAVE NEED TO HAVE LIKE A WHOLE BUSINESS PLAN PUT

TOGETHER. >> KIND OF. >> IF YOU WANT TO MOVE TAXPAYER MONIES OUT OF THE CITY COFFERS AND GET A COMMITMENT FROM THE COMMISSION AND MY UNDERSTANDING

IS THAT JUNE IS THE DEADLINE. >> FOR WENDY'S. >> THE HOMEOWNERS HAVE SAID THAT LISA VERBALLY, THERE'S NOTHING IN WRITING, THAT THEY WOULD WHITE TRY TO WAIT UNTIL JUNE.

>> WHY DID THEY WANT TO EXAMINE AWAY? I THINK THEY WANT THE PROPERTY

FOR RESALE WOULD BE MY THOUGHT. >> THERE'S AN APPLICATION AS. >> -OR WHY.

>> INCOME IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'M GOING TO ASK MYSELF FROM THE

MEETING AND SEE YOU NEXT TIME. >> THANK YOU. >> DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO CHIME IN. FROM NORTH STREET FRANCE I WAS THE ONE WITH THE SONG THE CITY AGENDA. IN MY VIEW, FIRST OF ALL I PRESERVED ALL BUILDINGS TODAY TALK THE TALK, WALK THE WALK IT. I PRESERVED TO ALL BUILDINGS. I LIVE IN A PRESERVED BUILDING.

AND IS FAR MORE EXPENSIVE THAN BUILDING MEETING. MS. COONROD WAS APPROACHED, AND POLITELY DECLINE THE OFFER TO. IN MY VIEW, IF SOMEBODY DOES NOT COME WITH A PLAN THAT HAS CASH BEHIND AND DOES THAT IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO, THIS BUILDING TORN DOWN.

SO, AND IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT GRANTS, GRANTS EIGHT YEARS. IT IS NOT AN OPTION.

IN MY BOOK. THERE IS $100,000 SITTING IN A GRANT I WAS AWARDED TO THE CITY

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AND I HAVE BEEN ADVOCATING THAT THE CITY SAID THAT FOR TEN YEARS.

BUT THAT ASIDE I THINK THE OWNERS I'VE OFFERED TO PUTTING $10000, BUT GINA GAVE AN ESTIMATE OF ABOUT 100,000 BUT SOME OF THE REHAB THAT BUILDING THERE HAS TO BE A MUSIC BIBLE AND SOMEBODY HAS TO PUT CASH INTO IT. AND MY VIEW IS THAT I BROUGHT IS THAT UNLESS SOMEBODY COMES WORK WITH THE PLANT THAT HAS MONEY BEHIND IT AND THE GUARANTEED EVENING DICK, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. HENCE, I THINK THAT DETRIMENT SORT THIS IS NOW MY PROJECTS, I SUPPORT THE PRESER PRESERVATION & SIMPLY BRINGING IT UP AT THE NEXT STAGE OF GOING SOME EXAM HERE IN SAN ARE WATCHED GOING TO BE DOWN.

>> DIDN'T YOU HAVE AN INTERESTED PARTY; IF PEOPLE BETTER PARTNER BUT WHEN I HEAR OVER AND OVER AGAIN IS THE CITY IS NOT A RELIABLE PARTNER BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET THE GRANDSON I'M GOING TO

PUT MY MONEY INTO IT IN THE SECOND OF ALL KINDS OF PROBLEMS. >> IF WE HAD PEOPLE THAT ARE POTENTIALLY INTERESTED, HOW DO WE BRING THEM TOGETHER TO GET TO AN AGREEMENT? THAT'S A HUGE START OF THE EVIL INTERESTED WE GET? SEE MY FACE OFF WITH THE

BUSINESS PLAN SAY HERE'S WHAT I NEED FOR THE CITY. >> HOW DO WE DO THAT?

>> HOW DO YOU DO WHAT? HOW DO WE GET TO THESE PEOPLE, SO YOU CAN GET THIS THING MOVING

TO THE NEXT LEVEL WITH THE CITIES. >> THEY ARE NOT WILLING TO PUT IN THE TIME AND EFFORT. THEY HAVE MONEY AND I IDEA SEE FAMINES IMPLEMENT BIRD BUSINESS PERSON TO DO THIS AS YOU KNOW THEY HAVE TO PUT MONEY IN FOR ARCHITECTS.

THEY HAVE TO PUT MONEY INTO THIS. THAT'S THE WHOLE PROBLEM WITH THIS IS GETTING OFTEN DYING. BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO PUT MONEY INTO IT SO THEY HAVE A GOOD IDEA THAT GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE THERE 15, 20 OR $30000 OF FEASIBILITY STUDY THAT STUDY

THE END OF THE DAY HE SAYS NO. MAKES IT SO. >> TO THINK THERE IS ANY MILEAGE AND ASKING THE WATERFRONT ASSESSMENT TO THAT OR THEY COULD INCORPORATE SUCH MAXIMA GET IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY ARE FREIGHTED OR NOT. SURE YOU CAN DO THAT.

BUT PUT IT ON THE FUTURE, THE PERSON. >> INIDENTS WHERE AN FLAVOR AND SUPPLANT SOMEBODY WITH MONEY TO DO THIS. I THINK IF YOU HAD SOMEBODY WHO

HAS THE WILL TO. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO BE THIS PEOPLE MAKE THEIR SUCCESSFUL PEOPLE DOING A ZILLION OTHER THINGS IN THAT YOU HAVE SOMETHING AGAINST THEM WITH THE PLAN, HERE'S A PLAN, IT WAS TO PUT A RESTAURANT THERE BEGINNING 2500 SQUARE-FOOT ABOUT SORT SPACE AND THE SPARK IN THE BATHROOM SAID.

IT GOES ON AND ON IT'S REALLY NICE OF PAPER BUT IN REALITY, THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY IN IT I THINK WE HAVE TO BE REALISTIC AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE HAVE UNTIL JUNE IS NOT, HAPPEN BECAUSE I PRESERVATION OR A GRASSROOTS WHATEVER, IT TAKES TIME TO LICENSE.

WE EVEN HIRE AN ARCHITECT BETWEEN NOW AND JUNE TO COME UP WITH A VIABLE PROGRAM EXHIBIT TAKE OFF AND GO OUT AND FIND THE PACKET STOMACH THE REASON I AM BRINGING THIS UP NOW AS I JUST SAY, THE DEADLINE ENDED MAY I DON'T WANT EVERYONE RUNNING THE RABBIT SAID MY CONSCIOUS IS THERE'S THE CHANCE. I GUESS WHAT I AM ASKING TO GO FORTH AND FIND SOMEBODY WITH THE TIME MONEY AND EFFORT SELECTING THING —-DASH SO, THIS IS NOT A SITUATION WHERE THEY BUILD IT WILL FOLLOW. WE CANNOT SOME OF THE CITY WILL NOT KNOW ON AND THEN FITTED OUT

TO BE RENOVATED THAT'S MY. THERE'S NO MONEY. >> THE CITY DID THEN FITTED OUT

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$700,000 TO THAT BUILDING JUST INTO SOMETHING YOU DON'T NEED AN ARCHITECT TO CONTRACTORS DOLLARS

THAT'S A BIG PRICE TAG FOR SMALL RETAIL BASE SPACE. >> BUT I JUST WANTED TO BRING THIS UP AT THE NEXT MEETINGS IT'S EVERYBODY'S IN SENTENCES 807,000 THANK YOU COMMISSIONER I

THINK THIS SHOULD BE MADE STRAIGHT OFFICE. >> CELL, LISA 49 STARBOARD LANDING MAINSTREAM PRINT STREAM HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT AS YOU KNOW I'M RELATIVELY ASSESSMENT TALKED ABOUT BEFORE FIT SQUARELY IN THE VEINS MISSION AS FAR AS PRESERVATION AND ECONOMIC VITALITY SO I THINK SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD CENTER ON CERTAIN WHAT PART WE CAN PLAY BUT I DO THINK THAT WE CAN BE A GOOD LIAISON THE PUBLIC SETTING THINGS IN THE PRIVATE.

AND SO, WE HAD A PRELIMINARY CONVERSATION DESIGN COUNSEL YESTERDAY.

BOARD PRESIDENT SIMPLY NEVER BORN WE AT LEAST WANT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION TIME RUNS OUT AND, SO, THAT IS WHERE WE ARE, WE SIMPLY MOBILIZING THE PUBLIC TO SAVE THE BUILDING OR FINDING DEPARTING CERTAINLY WAS SIMPLY THAT THE TWO I THOUGHT YOUR FIRST.

THAT WOULD BE THE CHALLENGE WE HAVE DISCUSSED SO FAR BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT'S NECESSARILY IF THERE IS SOMEBODY YOU HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT I DON'T THANK YOU CAN REALISTICALLY MOVE THAT BUILDING ANYWHERE ELSE EXCEPT OF THE WATERFRONT THAT'S THE PROBLEM IT'S WIDE TO MOVE IT UP FRONT. THE CAPTIVE 100. OF MEXICO WE MEASURED MARYLAND'S PROPERTY. SHE DOESN'T EVER WORK. THE NEED TO GO SOUTH THERE'S NOTHING SOUTH WE JUST GOT-WENT TO CLOSE THE BUILDING PROGRESS I THINK THE CHIPS ABOUT THE GRANT, NOT ONLY IS THAT FUNDING CITY NEWS, IT IS FOR ECONOMIC ACQUISITION PURPOSES.

IT FITS SQUAREY WITH THIS PROJECT, BY USING THOSE BONDS IT WOULD ENABLE THE CITY INTO A FIVE OR VARIANCE WHICH RIGHT NOW THEY ARE NOT BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT SET GRANTS OUT GRANDSON THINK THAT'S A COMPONENT OF THAT. IT'S NOT A RECENT THIS PROJECT BUT IT IS A RECENCY OF MONEY ON THIS PROJECT IF USE OF THE PROJECT WHILE WALKING.

>> THE OTHER THINGS, SOUND BUSINESS BOOK THE WATERFRONT THAT'S IN THE CRA DISTRICT,

RIGHT? >> SO WE HAVE TRF FUNDS THAT TAXING FROM THE CONDOS.

>> THERE IS STRONG, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS SO MANY DEVELOPMENTS OF RITUAL IN THE TEXT RUNS DEVELOPMENT. DEVELOPMENT AS WELL. WE HAVE SOMEONE.

>> BUT IF THE ONLY PLACE THIS BUILDING WATERFRONT, DOESN'T IT HAVE TO BE INTEGRATED WITH THE

WATERFRONT. >> IT ALREADY IS. IT'S ON THE PLAN.

>> PERSONALLY I BELIEVE IT WOULD PUBLIC , WATER. >> ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE ABOUT TO TEAR DOWN AND GET PEOPLE TO FOCUS ON STOMACH ASIDE FROM BUILDING A RESTROOM AND WITH THE

CURRENT PLAN IS. >> IT APPEARS TO ME THAT MAINSTREAM THAT'S DEFINITELY THE

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YOU PROBABLY HAVE THE MOST AGREE PLANNING AND FORESIGHT ON THIS. HOW CAN WE HELP YOU?

>> I THINK THE LATTER IS A GOOD FIRST. I AM NOT HAPPY YOU TO SIT DOWN ABOUT HIS VIEW OF THE VIEW OF THE CITY ON PROJECT. YOU HAVE TALKED BRIEFLY BUT WE HAVE NOT TALKED IN DEPTH. SO, I HAVE REQUESTED THAT OVER TO.

>> AND JULY THE LETTERS TO CINDY? CERTAINLY LEARN THE CITY TO THE MERCHANTS OF THE VALUE OF THIS BUILDING MAC AND I THINK SIGNIFICANCE IS THAT IT IS ONE OF THE ONLY STRUCTURES LEFT THAT IS CURRENTLY STORED ON THE WATERFRONT EVEN HAVING THE WATERFRONT. I THINK IT'S REALLY AND I THINK, HAVING IT AS PART OF THAT BUDGET GOING FORWARD I THINK THAT WOULD BE A VERY LOOKED UPON VERY FAVORABLY BY THE PUBLIC BACK I

THINK THAT WOULD BE FOR MAINSTREET, TO. >> AGAIN, AND SAID SQUARELY IN MISSION OF WHAT WE'RE HERE TO JUST BE THAT PUBLIC PRIVATE LIAISON PRESERVATION BASED ECONOMIC VITALITY. SO, ONCE YOU NAME WHEN YOU SAID THAT YOU PUT THIS OUT ON YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA EFFORTS, WHICH TO GET THAT TOGETHER MAKE THAT HAPPEN PHOTOGRAPHS? IT WOULD USE THAT WE HAVE? TO WRITE UP A BLURB? I CAN THINK RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE HELPFUL. WE HAVE A MARKETING PERSON, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A MOMENT RIGHT NOW SERVING WE HAVE A GOOD GRIP THAT IS THE DESIGN COUNSEL THAT'S ON THE MORE PRESERVATION SIDE VITALITY SIDE, BUT WHAT WE ARE LACKING AT THE MOMENT IS A MARKETING PIECE IF WE COULD WORK TOGETHER TO COME UP AND PUT TOGETHER, AND THINK WE WOULD HAVE SOME ABILITY TO THINK ONCE WE PUT IT OUT THERE I DO HAVE A LIST JUST IN THE CONVERSATIONS I HAVE HAD OVER THE LAST TWO READS MIGHT HAVE A LIST OF THAT THEY HAVE INTEREST OR HAVE EXPRESSED INTEREST IN SOME TIME.

SO I THINK HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS TO GAUGE THE INTEREST IN THE SEE IF WE CAN.

>> JERRY SUGGESTS THAT WE ASK SALADS THERE'S NUMBERS ASKED SALTZ TO WRITE A LOT OF OUR BEHALF OR YEARS MISSION ASKING THAT THE RESERVATION IS WILLING ASSESSMENT THAT HE INCLUDED IN THE WATERFRONT PLAN AND IF APPROPRIATE AS MAINSTREAM TO WRITE A SIMILAR LETTER IN

ANYBODY ELSE THAT WE SHOULD, BE ADDRESSED TO THE MAYOR. >> IS THERE CONSENSUS?

>> 'S OUTCOME I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SIGN IT. AND OF COURSE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OF COURSE THE TIMING HERE THAT WE HAVE TO GET THIS THROUGH IN

THE NEXT THIS MORE WILL NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO. >> WE TRUST YOU.

IF YOU NEED REVIEW THOUGH. >> I CAN SEND IT TO EVERYBODY AND YOU CAN INDIVIDUALLY RESPOND

BACK TO ME IF YOU HAVE. >> FOR THE RECORD, WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING THE WAY WE ARE

SUPPOSED TO. >> THANK YOU. >> SAL CAN I MEET WITH LISA INDIVIDUALLY IF WE WANT TO PUT TOGETHER A MARKETING OR SOCIAL MEDIA BLITZ OR WHATNOT?

>> YES. >> VERY GOOD, THANK YOU. OKAY, WE ARE NOW AT THE STAFF

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TIME OR AFTER THE REPORT. >> FIRST, I JUST WANT TO THANK AND CONGRATULATE TERESA DUNCAN ON THE EIGHTH YOUNG BUSINESS LEADER OF THE YEAR AWARD. [APPLAUSE] CONGRATULATIONS. AND MAN, I HAD A QUESTION FROM THE LAST.

IS THIS THE RIGHT TIME FOR THIS? TO MAKE THEY PASS THAT DRIVEWAY STANDARDS ORDINANCE ADMITTED AFFECTS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE 70101 AND IT ALLOWS FOR PAVERS AND OTHER TYPES OF MATERIALS AND CIRCULAR DRIVEWAY'S. I KNOW THAT WE HAD THE DISCUSSION IN THE PAST AND THAT IS RIGHT DISTRICT WE DON'T WANT CIRCULAR DRIVEWAYS.

SO WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING IN THERE THAT SAYS ACCEPTED THAT HISTORIC DISTRICT URGENCY

OVERLAY TANKS AIRBAG QUESTION. >> THE OVERLAY TAKES CARE OF THAT.

OKAY. GREAT. THAT'S IT.

THE LAST THING WAS I HAD A QUESTION FOR THE BOARD REGARDING THINKING ABOUT A DESIGN RECOMMENDATION MOVING FORWARD IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT WHEN WE SEE THAT IT'S WHAT I BROUGHT UP AROUND WINDOW TRIM AND ARTICULATION WAS SILLS.

I HAVE SEEN IT SO MUCH IN OLD TOWN AND NOW I'M STARTING TO SEE IT HERE WHERE THESE NEW WINDOWS ARE PUT IN AND THEY ARE PICTURE FRAMES IN THERE IS NO EXPRESSION OF THE SIGNAL.

IT'S VERY FLACCID VERY DISTURBING. THERE'S ONE IN TOWN, THERE'S A BUILDING THAT HAS BEEN REDONE ON THE CORNER THAT IS NOT IN THE HIS RICHES.

RIGHT NEXT TO IT IS A BUILDING IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT WHERE THEY PUT A FINISH ADU.

THE HOUSE HAS THE SILLS AUDIT • GREAT, IT DOESN'T EVEN LOOK LIKE IT MATCHES THE BUILDING.

AND I THOUGHT, DO WE IMPROVE THAT? I'M A FACT TO THE NOTES AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FLAG IN THE ELEVATIONS OF ANY DETAIL LIKE THAT.

SO, IS THE ELEVATION IS LIKE IT LOOKS OKAY BUT WHEN YOU SEE IT IN REAL LIFE YOU THINK THIS BUILDING LOOKS LIKE WHERE DID IT COME FROM? I WOULD LIKE US CHICKENS CENTER EITHER DRAWINGS OF THE RECOMMENDATION THAT IFIS IN THE, NEW CONSTRUCTION OR RENOVATION THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE EITHER ASKED REST SILLS OR A TRIM PIECE.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A TRUE WINDOWSILL YOU CAN HAVE A SUDDEN B -- AND THEN THE SILLS COME DOWN BACK I WOULD SAY THE MAJORITY OF THE NEW CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS THAT WAS HERE HAVE NOTES ON THEM THAT SAY WHAT THE TRIM MATERIAL IS SUPPOSED TO BE IN ALL-OUT.

SO WE PROBABLY JUST NEED TO BE. >> WE DON'T REQUIRE NO, BUT IF IT IS SHOWN THAT WAY ON THE PLANS APPROVED THAN I GIVE SAL THE ABILITY TO RNS THAT WE ARE COGNIZANT OF IT AND THAT IT IS CALLED OUT FOR PLANS SO THAT WHEN IT COMES TIME TO CONSTRUCT WE HAVE THE APPLICATIONS TO

FOLLOW. >> I'M THINKING WE SHOULD GO FURTHER AND HAVE A REQUIREMENT

SO IT'S NOT COULD YOU DO THIS, WOULD YOU CONSIDER DOING THIS. >> WHAT WAS THAT REQUIREMENT BE?

>> WE MAKE AN AMENDMENT OR GUIDELINES THAT SAY IN THE HISTORIC IS DISTRICT IN OLD TOWN YOU MUST HAVE EXPRESSED SILLS ORCHARD CENTER WINDOW. YOU CAN'T BRING THEM WHAT WE

THINK? >> I LIKE THE IDEA, JUST TRYING TO GROUT -- WHAT YOU THINK, SAL.

>> SO, RIGHT NOW THE TIMING OF AN THE DIFFICULTY THERE GET THE LTC OR IN THE DESIGN GUIDELINES WE ARE WORKING ON BOTH. IN THE NEXT YEAR THE LTC AND THE DESIGN GUIDELINES CHARTING NEXT WILL START TALKING ABOUT DOWNTOWN GUIDELINES ONCE WE FINISH OUR OLD TOWN.

MY RECOMMENDATION WITH THE WE ARE MORE COGNIZANT OF IT RIGHT NOW.

WE DO REQUIRE THAT THEY HAVE DETAILS CALL DOWN. SO, WE JUST NEED TO PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT HARDER THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE IT AND THAT'S WHAT WERE LOOKING FOR.

>> WOULD WE BE ABLE TO SAY THAT TO AN APPLICANT IF THEY CAME FORWARD WITHIN PICTURE FRAME

WINDOW CAN WE SAY WERE NOT GOING TO APPROVE IT UNLESS. >> YOU HAVE TO GIVE THE READER THAT IT DOESN'T MEET THE GUIDELINES. BUT IT'S NOT IN KEEPING THE ARCHITECTURE OF THE HOME IN DOWNTOWN THAN THAT WOULD BE THE REASON.

AND THEN I WOULD RECOMMEND WHEN WE LOOK AT THE AMENDMENTS WERE CHANGED TO THE DOWNTOWN GUIDELINES, NOT MAKING IT A REQUIREMENT BUT REALLY WITH ILLUSTRATIONS SHOWING THIS IS

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WHAT WE ARE LOOKING FOR. >> I THINK THAT'S GOOD. >> THERE COULD BE SPECIFICS ON

ALL THAT IT DOESN'T APPLY TO. >> WITH THIS BE A USEFUL TOPIC TO HASH OUT AT THE MARCH MEETING WITH HOW THIS CAN BE DONE? LOOK AT EXAMPLES ANOTHER -- IF YOU LIKE TO START THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE DOWNTOWN START THAT EARLY AND THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY I HAVE SOME IDEAS ON WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO GUIDELINES AND I CAN BRING SOME OF THOSE EXAMPLES TO YOU TO

SHOW YOU WHAT THEY WOULD LOOK LIKE. >> I THINK ALL OF US ARE PROBABLY HAVE PET PEEVES, BIG CASES OVER THE YEARS THAT ARE JUST SPECIAL CASES WHERE THINGS

HAVE COME UP OVER LIKE SAYING I WISH THIS WAS IN -- AND IS NOT. >> SO MAYBE LET US KNOW BEFORE THE MEETING AND HARDSHIP WE HAVE THE TIME TO DO WE CAN ALL COME TOGETHER WITH OUR LIST OF AT LEAST CREATE A MASTER LIST THAT WE KIDNEYS TRACK EVERYTHING AND SEE IF THERE'S CONSENSUS MIKE I BELIEVE WE ONLY HAVE THREE CASES IN MARCH'S MIKE WOW, HIS OLD TOWN FINISH?

ARE THEY DONE QUESTION. >> NO, YOU WILL PROBABLY SEE 20 IN APRIL.

EVERYBODY COME IF YOU HAVE THOSE SPECIFIC ITEMS TO KIND OF PUT THEM TOGETHER AND BRING THEM TO THAT MEETING THAT WE WILL DISCUSS THEM. OR IF YOU HAVE EXAMPLES OF OTHER GUIDELINES OR SOME OTHER GUIDELINES THAT YOU THINK WOULD BE GOOD EXAMPLES I WOULD BRING

THEM AND WILL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. >> THEY GENERAL GUIDELINE

CHANGES WILL BE IN 20. >> CORRECT STATEMENT. I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE AN OBSERVATION HERE. THAT AS OLD TOWN IS DEVELOPED AND BUILT OUT -- ARE FINDING IT INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT TO FIND SOMEWHERE TO STORE THEIR MATERIAL WHILE THEY BUILD ON THE HOUSE TYPICALLY WHAT IS HAPPENED IS THEY OVER SPILL ONTO THE LOT AND USE THAT WITHOUT SPOT, NOW WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE ON WHERE THERE IS NO SPARE ROOM AND THE BUILDER HAS BEEN DELAYED FOR TWO OR THREE WEEKS BECAUSE TRUSSES ARE SLOW TO COME IN. AND SO WE HAVE PILES OF LUMBER

THAT ARE PUSHING INTO THE STREET. >> I WILL SAY THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CHANGES IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT IS NOT REQUIRING A SITE PLAN B ADMITTED FOR SITE PLANS THAT SHOWS WHERE THE DUMPSTER IS WHERE THE MATERIALS LAYOUT YARD IS IF YOU SEE ANYWHERE IT'S NOT WORTH SUPPOSED TO BE PLEASE CONTACT ME AT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO LET THEM KNOW. THEY HAVE A SET OF PLANS ON FILE

THAT SHOW WHAT LOCATION ON THE PROPERTY HAS BEEN DESIGNATED. >> CHAIR HARRISON: THANK YOU.

I THINK THAT'S GOOD WORK ON THE BUILDING FROM INSIDE. I APOLOGIZE FOR BRINGING UP AN ISSUE THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DEALT WITH IT'S A GOOD TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT.

IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING LET ME KNOW OR THE OTHER GOOD REQUIREMENT THAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HAS IS ON EVERY BUILDING SITE THERE'LL BE A CARD THAT HAS THE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THE CONTRACTOR SO YOU CAN GIVE THEM A CALL DIRECTLY IF YOU SEE SOMETHING BACK ACCOUNTABILITY IS

TOUGH. >> ARE WE DONE WITH STAFF REPORT?

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STOMACH THAT'S IT FOR ME TO MAKE PUBLIC, IS THERE ANYBODY HERE. >> I SAW -- WALKING A BIT AGO BECAUSE THINK HE IS GONE. HE WANT TO TALK ABOUT SAVING CONFERENCE.

>> SUMMIT COME FORWARD AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF STOMACH TO MAKE THE MUSEUM GOODIES.

>> WILL TALK ABOUT THAT SOME OTHER TIME. >> -- HARRISON.

IT WAS INTERESTING TO SEE THE PHOTOGRAPH, SEEN IT BEFORE -- IN THE OLD PHOTOGRAPH OF THE TWO PEOPLE STANDING IN THE DOORWAY AND I WAS INTRIGUED TO LOOK AT HIM AND SEE THAT THE LOWER PORCHES HAD ONE DESIGN IN THE UPPER PORCHES WITH THE SPINDLES. HAND I JUST WONDERED IF THAT PLAN TO DO THAT NO ONE ELSE WOULD THAT BE PERMITTED? ON THAT SAME VEIN GOING BACK TO AN OLD ENGLISH HOUSES, OFTEN TIMES FULLER BUILDING WERE WATCHING THEIR PENNIES AND THEY

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THE LESS INTERESTING ONES. THEN AGAIN, I WONDER ABOUT THAT, WHETHER THAT WITH THE BY THE HDC? STOMACH THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WE HAD THAT SAME QUESTION WE TALKED ABOUT THAT PROJECT. I THINK EVERYONE'S ASSUMPTION WAS THAT THE ORIGINAL RAILINGS ON THE BOTTOM MATCH THE RAILINGS ON THE TOP. AND WE FOUND THROUGH THAT HISTORIC PHOTOGRAPH THAT'S NOT THE CASE. WE DON'T SEE THAT TOO OFTEN.

I THINK A BOARD WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER THE IN THE NEW THERE'S NOT REALLY A LOT OF THIS PARTICULAR CASE TALKING ON I HAD A GOOD REASON FOR IT. SAM.

THERE GOOD JUSTIFICATION FOR SAID IT WAS FINE. >> BUT THAT'S IMPORTANT.

WHAT I SAW THE PLANS IMMEDIATELY THAT THAT'S RIDICULOUS. AND THEN MIKE OH THAT'S MY REDOING. I THINK BECAUSE WE HAD THAT DOCUMENTATION WHICH WAS A GREAT PHOTO, THERE'S NO AMBIGUITY AT ALL, THEY'RE GOING BACK TO WHAT WAS THERE ANOTHER THING THAT INTERESTS ME IS HOW THE FENCING, THE FRONT FENCING OF THE HOUSE, HOW THAT CONFORMS DESIGN OF THE PORCHES. I THINK OF ONE HOUSE DOWNTOWN THAT PUT SPINDLES ALL THE WAY AROUND THE HOUSE AND THEN THEY HAVE SPINDLES AGAIN ON THE WAY OF THE SIDE.

CLOSE YOUR MIND VISUALLY WHEN YOU GO PAST IT AND THERE'S ANOTHER HOUSE.

THE EVENTS OF A DIGITAL TOWN RECENTLY BUT I CAN AGAIN IT'S AN INTERESTING DESIGN ON THE PORCHES AND IT'S EXACTLY THE SAME DESIGN FOR THE FENCING AND IT IS OVERWHELMING.

>> I ACTUALLY CAME ACROSS AN ISSUE WITH THAT, I BELIEVE I WAS RESEARCHING THE HURT HOUSE DOWNTOWN AND THE FENCING IS NO LONGER THERE, BUT IN THE EARLIEST HISTORIC PHOTOS IT'S EXACTLY THE CASE. WERE THERE BALUSTERS ON THE RAILING MATCH THE FENCING OUT FRONT. SO APPARENTLY THAT WAS MORE COMMON THAN WHAT WAS YOU NOW.

ONE OF THE THINGS I TALKED ABOUT WITH FENCING COMMENTS A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE NOT AWARE OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF FENCING THAT WAS USED HISTORICALLY. THE GREAT VARIETY AND IN EDINA HAVE THE CRAFTSMANSHIP GRANTED, SO ONE OF THE THINGS I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THAT SIDE IS COMPILING EXAMPLES IN SOME OF THOSE OLD PHOTOS OF THE TYPES OF FENCES USING THE DESIGNS THAT WOULD DEFENSE SOME ARE VERY UTILITARIAN BECAUSE OF LIVESTOCK.

OTHERS WERE A LOT MORE DECORATIVE. ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS REALLY SHOW OFF MORE OF THOSE EXAMPLES OF PEOPLE DON'T THINK I JUST HAVE TO GO TO HOME

DEPOT AND GET MY FENCE AND THAT'S ALL THERE IS. >> THAT'S ONE OF MY PET PEEVES, FENCING. I WANT TO BRING THAT TO US INSTEAD BECAUSE I THINK THAT CAN

MAKE OR BREAK. >> WE KNOW WE SAY IT'S NOT A PERMANENT MINUTE CAN BE CHANGED IN PERPETUITY BUT I THINK SOMETIMES I SEE THIS RATE HOUSE THAT'S AND I THINK WHAT TODAY

JUST TO. >> AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE SAME HOUSE THE FENCE THAT IS THERE IS NOT THE ORIGINAL FENCE BUT IT'S MATCHING THE AVERAGE DESIGN. WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE IN MILLTOWN THEY HAD PHOTOS FROM 1902 ON THE ORIGINAL FENCE AND THAT HAVE THEIR CONTRACT TO RE-CREATE THE ORIGINAL FENCE AND I THINK THAT ADDS TO THE CHARACTER OF THESE STRUCTURES TO HAVE FENCES THAT

MATCH THE DESIGN OF THE HOUSE. >> I'M INTERESTED TO SEE. >> WELL TO THE SECOND PART OF YOUR QUESTION, I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER APPROVE A PROJECT FOR THE USE OF DIFFERENT KIND OF

WINDOW IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE THAT THEY USED ELSEWHERE. >> JUST BECAUSE IT'S NOT TYPICAL THAT WE SEE THAT INFIRMITY. BUT YOU ARE RIGHT IT IS COMMON IN OTHER PLACES.

I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT MANY OF EXAMPLE. >> I THINK IF THEY WERE REHABBING THE HOUSE AND THE HOUSE HAD ALREADY DONE, SO THEY HAVE SOME BIG EXPORTERS UP FRONT AND SMALLER ONES IN THE BACK AND THEY WERE JUST GOING TO THEM THAT MIGHT BE AN ARGUMENT BUT I

DON'T THINK ENOUGH THE GATE LIKE THAT. >> INSTRUCTION LIKE -- ON THE

BACK AND STANDARDS OF THE FRONT SUMMIT GOOD SHIP. >> CHAIR HARRISON: THANK YOU IF

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