Feb 09, 2021 Parks & Recreation Advisory Committee

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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NINTH MEETING A PARKS MIGRATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE. PLEASE CALL ROLE.

OF ALLEGIANCE. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

>> TO SAVE TIME IF ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO FILL OUT A SPEAKER FORM PLEASE FEEL

[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

AMENDMENTS? >> I AM MOVED TO ACCEPT THE MOVEMENT MINUTES.

>> I SECOND THAT. >> ALL IN FAVOR. >> DO I HEAR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CHAMBER 25TH SUBCOMMITTEE MINUTES OR ARE THERE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS?

>> MOTION TO APPROVE. >> I SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR?

>> FOR NEW MEMBERS AND THE AUDIENCE ABOUT THE END OF LAST YEAR THIS COMMITTEE CREATED ITS FIRST SET OF BYLAWS WHICH PROVIDES A FRAMEWORK FOR THIS COMMITTEE ON HOW IT HANDLES ITS MEETINGS. SINCE WE RICHLY DON'T HAVE MANY ATTENDEES THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS PASSED STATES THAT THE PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURE IN THESE COMMITTEE MEETINGS SHALL BE INFORMAL. SO WE OFTEN INTERRUPT OUR TOLERATING SEMINAR CORRUPTION AND PARTICULARLY SUBCOMMITTEE MEETINGS WE HAVE ALLOWED INDIVIDUALS TO INTERRUPT, COME UP, SPEAK, YOU WANT INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC. WHEN IT COMES TO MEETINGS WE HAVE LARGER MEETINGS THAT WE ARE DIRECTED BY OUR BYLAWS TO CONDUCT THE MEETING IN AN EFFICIENT MANNER AND FOCUS ON RELEVANT ISSUES AND SET TIME LIMITS FOR THE SPEAKERS.

SO, IT'S A SHORT STABILITY STATEMENT AND AN HONOR BLACK HISTORY MONTH I WANT TO READ THE ONE FROM THE INSTITUTE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT WHICH IS FROM DOCTOR LUTHER, DOCTOR MARTIN LUTHER KING. " IT SAYS, IN A NEIGHBORHOOD DISPUTE THERE MAY BE STUNTS, ROUGH WORDS OR EVEN HOSTILE INSULTS BUT, WHEN A WHOLE PEOPLE SPEAKS TO ITS GOVERNMENT THE DIALOGUE AND ACTION MUST BE ON THE LEVEL REFLECTING THE WORTH OF PEOPLE AND THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE GOVERNMENT. WE ALSO HAVE A STABILITY STATEMENT ON OUR PODIUM HERE. IT ASKS YOU TO STICK TO THE ISSUES AND AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS. ITEM 5, PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA.

WE HAVE ANY? I SEE NONE HERE. ITEM NUMBER 6 BOSQUE BELLO

[6.1 Columbarium Plan]

THIS AVOIDS FORWARDED ME AN EMAIL FROM CITY MANAGER REQUESTING THAT THE MEMBERS EITHER APPROVE OR DENY THE COLUMBARIUM PLAN. .

I PURPOSELY HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY INDICATION FROM THE CITY, OR MANAGER AND REFERRED TO THE SUBJECT OF THE COLUMBARIUM PLAN. HAS ANYBODY ELSE RECEIVED ANY INFORMATION FROM THE CITY MANAGER? WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THIS COMMITTEE? DO YOU WANT TO SPEND TIME ON THE PROPOSED PLAN? DO YOU HAVE FURTHER QUESTIONS OR AS A COMMITTEE READY TO VOTE APPROVAL OR DENIAL?

>> HAVE A QUESTION. >> YES? >> WORK FOR CLARIFICATION THE COMMITTEE HERE, THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE DOESN'T APPROVE OR DENY IT, CORRECT?

WE JUST RECOMMENDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL. >> IS CORRECT.> I HAVE A QUESTION. DO WE HAVE TO VOTE OR IS IT OUR CHOICE WHETHER WE CHOOSE TO

VOTE ON THIS? >> IT IS THE PLEASURE OF THIS COMMITTEE.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE THE PROPOSED VOTE?

>> YES. >> ALL RIGHT. FIRST PERSON TO HAVE ON THE

LIST IS MR. ADAM KAUFMAN. >> THANK YOU MRS. ROSS. I'M KAUFMAN SOUTH 10TH STREET.

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FOR VIRTUALLY ALL MY PROFESSIONAL CAREER I WORK WITH STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS. UP UNTIL ABOUT 2 YEARS AGO WHEN I FINALLY RETIRED FOR THE 4TH TIME. SOMETIMES IT'S REPORTED IN THE OBSERVER ANDREW'S FATHER, MARIO HAS CONFIDENCE IN ME. IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW MARIOTA HAD A DIFFICULT TIME ANSWERING QUESTIONS AND MAKING UP HIS MIND.

THAT'S OKAY. I BELIEVE I HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE DECISION-MAKING PROCESS IS AND POLITICAL ORGANIZATIONS. I SERVED AS GENERAL COUNSEL TO III LARGEST SCHOOL DISTRICT IN NEW YORK STATE. WE BUILT LOTS OF BUILDINGS DURING THAT TIME. BEFORE GO FURTHER LIKE TO THINK MARION SHARE AND MARILYN AND THE CITY STAFF WHO FOR THE LAST 4 OR 5 WEEKS HAVE HELP SUPPORT THE COLUMBARIUM PROJECT.

IN THE LAST DAYS THEY SPENT CONSIDERABLE TIME WALKING DOWN STORM DRAINS AND CHASING SHADOWS AND I THANK YOU FOR THEIR EFFORTS. IN TERMS OF THE QUESTION ABOUT THE COLUMBARIUM. THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION REALLY THAT'S BEFORE YOU AT THIS MOMENT IS, IS IT PRUDENT TO HAVE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS PREPARED SO THAT THERE IS A DETAIL AND SPECIFIC REPRESENTATION OF WHAT THE PROPOSED COLUMBARIUM IS? LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN. AS IT PRUDENT, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS PREPARED SO THAT THERE IS A DETAIL IN THE SPECIFIC REPRESENTATION OF WHAT IS PROPOSED AS THE COLUMBARIUM PROJECT? MONEY IS BUDGETED FOR THAT.

TECHNICALLY I BELIEVE IT DOESN'T REQUIRE CITY APPROVAL AND IS LESS THAN $20,000.

YOU CAN CHOOSE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION TODAY OR NOT. THIS IS NOT FINAL PROOF OF THE PROJECT. IT'S NOT A START WORK ORDER. IT'S ABOUT INFORMED DECISION-MAKING. THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT BOSQUE BELLO COLUMBARIUM.

BUT CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS DOES NOT HAVE TO WAIT THOSE ANSWERS. WE DON'T HAVE TO DETERMINE WHICH CITY ORDINANCES NEED TO BE CHANGED. WE DON'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATION AND MANAGEMENT OF THE BOSQUE BELLO. WE DON'T HAVE HAVE THE CEMETERY

THAT SHOULD HAVE ONE ENTRANCE. >> THANK YOU MR. KAUFMAN. MR. KAUFMAN YOUR TIME IS UP.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> I JUST ASK YOU TO APPROVE

IT. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MARY AND

SHARE. >> THANK K YOU. I MARION SHARE IN FERNANDINA BEACH. THE LAST 3 YEARS AGO I'VE BEEN IN FRANCE WITH E MICHAEL KEGLER AND WAS DRAFTED TO BECOME THE SPOKES ERSON FOR THE FRIENDS OF BOSQUE BELLO.

WHICH ABOUT 120 PEOPLE. SEVERAL YEARS AGO I WISH MARJORIE WAS STILL HERE.

SHE WAS HERE A MOMENT AGO. SHE RECRUITED ME TO WORK ON THIS PROJECT WHICH SHE HAD ALREADY AT THIS POINT WORKED ON FOR 2 YEARS HAVING A BOOK ABOUT THE STICK ABOUT CEMETERIES AND WHAT THE LOCAL PUBLIC WANTED. WHAT THE TRENDS WERE AND HAVING BEEN ASKED TO LOOK AT THIS ISSUE. SO, 3 OF US WORKED ON THE ISSUE OF THE COLUMBARIUM.

WE WERE ASKED BY SOME CITY COMMISSIONERS AND ALSO OTHERS IN THE CITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHETHER ENTITY THAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE ADDITION TO THE CEMETERY.

I'M HERE BECAUSE I THINK IT IS. ALSO AS MARILYN WOULD SAY, HOPE IT GETS BILLED BEFORE I NEED IT. SO, AND WERE LOSING TIME ALL THE TIME.

I'M 75 ALREADY. WE WANT TO MAKE THE POINT THAT THIS IS A SELF FUNDING PROJECT.

THE PROJECT AS I THANK YOU'VE SEEN IT HAS A 3 YEAR FINANCIAL PLAN.

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WE ALSO HAVE A ONE PHASE VERSION OF THE PLAN WHICH WOULD BE THE KICKOFF PART OF THE COLUMBARIUM. ABOUT 1/7 OF IT. IT WOULD BE UP TO THE CITY COMMISSIONERS TO DECIDE WHETHER TO CONTINUE AND BUILD MORE OF IT OR NOT TO BUILD MORBID OR TO CHANGE OR WHATEVER. WE VERY MUCH SUPPORTED BEING THERE.

IT HAS SUPPORT FROM THE FRIENDS OF BOSQUE BELLO. WE CANNOT SELL, WE CANNOT PRESELL ANYTHING UNTIL YOU GIVE SOME SORT OF APPROVAL TO THE PROJECT.

AT WHICH TIME ARE READY TO MOBILIZE AND DO THAT. BY PRE-SELLING ABOUT 25 PERCENT OF WHAT IS PROPOSED FOR THE FIRST PHASE WE CAN MAKE IT PAY FOR ITSELF AND CONTRIBUTE MONEY TO THE NEXT PHASES OR IN GENERAL TO OTHER PROJECTS IN THE CEMETERY THAT NEED DOING.

WHICH AT THE FRIENDS OF BOSQUE BELLO ARE WILLING TO PARTICIPATE AND TO PRODUCE SUCH AS MAINTENANCE PROJECTS AND CLEANING HISTORICAL STONES AND THAT SORT OF THING.

I THINK ANY OTHER DECISIONS BASED ON OTHER THINGS THAT THE CEMETERY ARE NEEDING COULD COME AFTER THIS. THIS IS LIKE THE STICK IN THE GROUND THAT BRINGS ATTENTION TO THE CEMETERY. BRINGS A NEW PROJECT AND GIVES US SOMETHING TO SELL.

THANK YOU. I'M HERE TO SUPPORT IT AND I HOPE YOU WILL TOO.

>> OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS PHILIP CHAPMAN. >> PHILIP CHAPMAN 2120 FLORIDA AVENUE. I RECEIVED A COPY OR GOT A COPY OF AN EMAIL SENT TO MR. JACOBS AND MR. COFFEY. READING TO THAT OF SEVERAL QUESTIONS THAT I HOPE CAN GET ANSWERED. IN THAT EMAIL IT STATES THAT THE WEST ROCK FACILITY DUMPS ALL KINDS OF SULFUR DIOXIDE INTO THE AIR. IN SOME STATED WELL-KNOWN CONCERN FOR NEXT ISSUE VEGETATION AND BUILDINGS. THEN IT WENT ON TO TALK ABOUT MAINTENANCE OF THE BRICK AND HOW THEY HAD TO BE POWER WASHED EVERY YEAR, A PLANE SEALER.

I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. COULD SOMEBODY EXPLAIN TO ME HOW OUR DOWNTOWN BRICK BUILDINGS HAVE SURVIVED OVER HUNDRED YEARS WITHOUT TOTAL DECAY AND ALL THIS MAINTENANCE THAT PEOPLE SAY IT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED. AS PART OF THAT EMAIL IT TALKED ABOUT THE TREES AND IT SAID " PRESENTLY THERE ARE LARGE AREAS OF THE CEMETERY THAT HAVE NO TREES. TO ME THE ANSWER IS SIMPLE. PLANT TREES.

YOU DON'T, TREES WILL DIE OF OLD AGE. REPENTED NEW ONES YOU ARE CONTINUING THAT TREE FOR THE NEXT GENERATION. I HAVE SEVERAL OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO PLEASE SUPPORT IT.

DO IT ON WHAT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST. IT WAS ALSO STATED IN THE EMAIL AND I'M SORRY I FORGOT THIS POINT. THAT STONE WILL OUTLAST BRICK.

IN KEEPING WITH THE NATURE OF FERNANDINA I ASK ALL OF YOU, HOW MANY STONE BUILDINGS DO WE HAVE HERE IN FERNANDINA? ESPECIALLY IN OUR HISTORIC AREAS?

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. THOSE ARE ALL THE SPEAKERS THAT HAVE SIGNED A FORM TO FILL OUT FOR THE COLUMBARIUM. WE HAVE ONE MORE.

I'M SORRY, MISS ¦ >> YES, THANK YOU. MARION GREW 7010 GARDENA STREET, FERNANDINA BEACH. MY PROFESSION IS BRANDING AND MARKETING.

ON THE PRINCIPLE OF THE EMMY ROOT COMPANY AND WE SPECIALIZE IN COMMUNITY BRANDING.

WHEN I WAS ASKED TO HELP SUPPORT THIS WHOLE PROJECT I BEGAN LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE THE RESEARCH. RESEARCH THAT HAD BEEN DONE IN FERNANDINA BEACH BY THE FRIENDS OF BOSQUE BELLO LOOKING AT INTERESTING DATA. WHAT I WOULD LEAVE YOU WITH IS VERY SIMPLE. I VERY SELDOM GET TO WORK ON A PROJECT WENT ALL THE INDICATORS ARE SO POSITIVE. I SPEND MY LIFE TRYING TO OVERCOME ISSUES FOR COMMUNITIES WHERE IT ISN'T POSITIVE AND BETWEEN THE INTERESTING DATA THAT TALKS ABOUT THE APPETITE FOR CREMATION AND WHERE THAT IS GOING AND THE INCREDIBLE POSITIVE RESPONSE THAT OVER 200

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TO THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER IS MARIE SANTRY. >> MARIE SENTRY 865 ÃDRIVE. FERNANDINA.

AM I OKAY WITH THE MASK ON? CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY, I HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THIS PARTICULAR DESIGN. I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE COLUMBARIUM.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WRONG WITH THE DESIGN THAT HAS BEEN PUT FORWARD.

FIRST OF ALL I THINK ANY DESIGN THAT REQUIRES RELOCATION OF GRAVES IS OUTLANDISH.

TO MY KNOWLEDGE IF I'VE GOT THIS RIGHT, 8 GRAVES NEED TO BE MOVED, THAT'S NOT TRUE?

>> EXCUSE ME, WE CAN'T HAVE COMMENTS. WE CAN DEAL WITH THAT.

>> IF YOU HAVE CONCERNS. >> IF THAT'S NOT TRUE I LIKE TO HEAR THAT NOW FROM YOU.

>> WE DON'T KNOW. THERE IS NO SITE PLAN. FOR THE PROJECT AT THIS TIME.

>> OH. I GUESS THEN I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

THERE WAS 150 PAGE DOCUMENT. >> THERE IS A SCHEMATIC DRAWING.

>> YES. OKAY BASED ON THAT, AND IN THAT HUNDRED 50 PAGES I THOUGHT IT SAID TO 8 GRAVES WOULD BE MOVED. AND I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHY.

IF THERE SOME GRAPES OUT THERE THAT ARE NOT, WERE NOT THEY WERE NOT ACTUAL LOTS THAT THIS SHOULD'VE BEEN SOLD. I HAVE THE HISTORY ON THAT. AND IT LOOKS LIKE IN THE ROAD PLAN FOR THAT ROAD BECOMES REALIGNED, NOW THIS ALL ROAD, THAT THERE PROBABLY MAY BE A HANDFUL OF GRAVES THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE MOVED. BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY OF THE NORTHON ROAD AS THEY EXIST TODAY. AS IT EXISTS TODAY ACCORDING TO PARKS AND REC AND THE 60 FOOT TOTAL AMOUNT THAT NOW THIS ALL ROAD.

NUMBER 2, THE DESIGN THAT I LOOKED AT, SCHEMATIC LOOKED AT AS A HUGE UNDERTAKING IN WHICH IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE IT IS NOT INCONSISTENT WITH THE FLAVOR OF BOSQUE BELLO.

IT SEGMENTS A LARGE AREA, THE AL-SHAPED DESIGN SEGMENTS A LARGE AREA AND BECOMES PROBABLY THE MOST PROMINENT PIECE OF ARCHITECTURE OUT THERE WHICH COMPLETELY DISTRACTS, I THINK PERSONALLY IF YOU'RE GOING FORWARD, IF YOU DO GO FORWARD WITH THAT PARTICULAR SCHEMATIC DESIGN EXPERIENCE ÃAND SHOULD, SHOULD NOT BE THAT LARGE AND IT COULD BE COUNTED SEGMENTS OF DIFFERENT PLACES. IT BECOMES OVERPOWERING ARCHITECTURE IN THAT CEMETERY.

>> THANK YOU. >> I THINK THAT'S NOT RIGHT. >> MR. ¦

>> JUST TO CLARIFY THE COMMENT ABOUT MOVING GRAVES. IN MY INVOLVEMENT IN THIS I'VE NEVER HEARD THAT BEFORE. IF YOU DO SUPERIMPOSE MARKEY'S PLAN ON THE SURVEY OF THAT AREA OF THE CEMETERY ONE OF THE STRUCTURES IN THE MARKEY'S PLAN DOES OVERLAP WHERE THERE ARE GRAVES. SO SOME CHANGES GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MOVE SOME GRAVES. IN ADDITION WHEN YOU SUPERIMPOSE IT OVER THE TREE SURVEY AND LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE ABOUT 15 TO 18 TREES THAT WOULD NEED TO BE REMOVED.

I HAVE BEEN OUT THERE, I'VE MEASURED IT, I'VE DONE MY OWN TREE SURVEY AND LOOKED AT THAT IN COMPARISON TO THE ADDITIONAL TREE SURVEY WHICH IS QUITE ACCURATE.

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>> THANK YOU. YES? >> I HAVE SOME CONCERN BECAUSE WHEN I READ THE DOCUMENT IT SAID THERE 8 GRAVES THAT ARE OF CONCERN.

I WAS CURIOUS IF THEY HAD TO, I WENT SUPPORT MOVING ANYTHING. AT ALL.

>> I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT GRAVES WOULD IT BE MOVED. >> WELL, LET'S ADDRESS THAT POSSIBLY IN A RESOLUTION LATER. DEPENDING ON WHAT THIS COMMITTEE DECIDES.

AND TO GOING BACK TO CREATING A WRECKER. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE TIME AND I HAD A REQUEST FROM SOME CITIZENS THAT WE HAVE THEIR LETTERS AND EMAILS TO THIS CONVERSATION OR THIS UBJECT. READ A FEW OF THEM THAT HAVE COME IN FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE.

I HAVE ONE FROM SUSAN SPELLING WHO STRONGLY SUPPORTS THE COLUMBARIUM PLANS THAT WERE ORIGINALLY PROPOSED. I HAVE ANOTHER EMAIL FROM FRANK SANTRY.

THE SPELLING WAS ON CITY RESIDENT. MR. SANTRY WHO WAS A CITY RESIDENT FIRST AND FOREMOST WANTED THE LAND PRESERVED. HE DID WANT ANY VEGETATION OF ANY SIGNIFICANCE TO BE DISTURBED. AND THAT THE SHAPE OF THE COLUMBARIUM SHOULD BE SUBSERVIENT TO THE SKULL THE CEMETERY.

THAT MARKET INTEREST SHOULD NOT TRUMP THOSE. THE GOAL OF THE DESIGN SHOULD NOT BE TO PUT THE DESIGNER STAMP ON THE CEMETERY. NO GRAVES SHOULD BE DISTURBED AND THE SCOPE AND COST SEEM TO HAVE BALLOONED BEYOND THE ORIGINAL INTEREST.

I HAVE ANOTHER EMAIL FROM ANOTHER CITY RESIDENT THAT SHE SENT ME 2 OR 3. THAT I URGE YOU NOT TO RUSH INTO APPROVING THE PLAN THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO YOU ON THE SINGULAR INTEREST.

THE CEMETERY NEEDS TO BE DEALT WITH IN A BIG PICTURE CONCEPT SO PLEASE DO NOT RUSH IT.

SHE ALSO WANTED TO SAY THAT IN HER TERMS THE COLUMBARIUM PLAN PRESENTED IS BLOATED.

I HAVE ONE FROM MS. MARILYN BARKER WHO IS NOT A CITY RESIDENT.

WHO WANTS US TO FOCUS ON ON THE SOLID MARKETING AND FUNDRAISING PLAN IN PLACE FOR PHASE 1. AND, THAT WAS FUNDRAISING PLAN FOR PHASE 1. SHE WANTED US TO BE INCLUSIVE IN THE CEMETERY.

WHICH BY LAW WE MUST BE. AND, LET'S SEE I GOT ONE FROM MR. KAUFMAN WHO IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE AMELIA ISLAND BERNADINO RESTORATION FOUNDATION.

HE WAS CONFIDENT THAT WE SHOULD, LET'S SEE, THE DESIGN SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY AND THE DESIGN WOULD BE COMPLIANT OF ALL APPLICABLE FLORIDA STATUTES AND CODES.

THERE WERE A NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT HE PLACED IN THE LETTER. HE DID GIVE A STATEMENT IN SUPPORT OF ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT AN INPUT THAT THE COMMUNITY HAD.

A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS POSED IN RECENT DAYS WITH REGARDS TO BOSQUE BELLO HAVE BEEN APPROPRIATELY LEGITIMATE. EACH OF BEEN ANSWERED OR WILL BE ANSWERED AS PLANS FOR THE CEMETERY CONTINUE AND ARE DEVELOPED. I HAD ONE OTHER PROBLEM A Ã MALLOY WHO WAS A RESIDENT WHO JUST MOVED INTO THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH.

WELCOME. AS AN ELDERLY LONGTIME RESIDENT OF MARY ISLAND I AM VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THE BOSCOLUMBARIUM PROJECT. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY TO SHARE?

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>> HAVE A QUESTION. >> PS. >> IN REGARDS TO THE SURVEY, HOW WAS A SURVEY DONE. 200 RESPONDENTS, WAS AN OPEN RANDOM SURVEY?

HOW DID IT TAKE PLACE? >> MISS THROUGH? >>.

>> THAT WAS A GOOD QUESTION THAT I WAS NOT HERE WHEN IT WAS E.

WE ARE UNDERSTANDABLY STUNNED IT WAS ONLINE SURVEY. IT AS THE RESPONDENTS WERE RECRUITED VIA L. ON AVERAGE OF 200 RESPONDENTS TO ABOUT 35 QUESTIONS.

THEY ALSO ADDED THEIR OWN COMMENTS AT THE END WHICH HAD TO DO HOW IMPORTANT THE HISTORY OF BOSQUE BELLO IS AND WHATEVER YOU DO YOU HAVE TO SHOW REVERENCE FOR THE HISTORY AND THAT'S HOW WE HAVE DEVELOPED A MARKETING PLAN TO LISTEN EXACTLY TO THOSE COMMENTS FROM

THOSE RESPONDENTS AND REALLY FOCUSING ON THE HISTORY. >> SO IT WAS CONVENIENT SURVEY.

IN OTHER WORDS YOU SENT THE MOST UP TO INDIVIDUALS THAT Y'ALL KNEW?

>> IT WAS OPEN RANDOM AND EVERYONE WAS ASKED TO FORWARD IT TO ANYBODY THEY DO

FERNANDINA BEACH. >> GUSTNADO RANDOM. RANDOM, WHEN PEOPLE SAY OUT RANDOM SERVICE EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY SHOULD HAVE THE SAME OPPORTUNITY.

>> WAS ADVERTISED ON THE WEBSITE AS WELL. >> OKAY.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? >> MISS GROUP CAN I ASK WHEN THAT SURVEY WAS TAKEN?

>> THAT SURVEY WAS DONE IN 2018. I WILL TELL YOU THAT WHEN I FIRST SAW IT I SHARED IT WITH A COLLEAGUE OF MINE AS I SAID IN ONE OF THE THINGS SHE TOLD ME BECAUSE SHE HAD BEEN DOING SOME PROJECTS FOR CEMETERIES AROUND THE COUNTRY.

SHE TOLD ME THE INTERESTING THING IS THAT THE RESPONSES, REALLY POSITIVELY NEGATIVE DON'T CHANGE MUCH OVER TIME. FOR CEMETERIES. IF YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF IT AND ADVANCES AND CHANGES OF IT IN YOUR FAVOR OF IT THAT DOES IT. EVEN THOUGH IT HAD DONE IN 2018

AND IT WAS STILL QUITE VALID. >> THE SURVEY WAS NOT JUST ABOUT THE COLUMBARIUM.

>> NO, IN GENERAL IT TALKED ABOUT BOSQUE BELLO AND THE COLUMBARIUM.

WHICH IS A PRETTY TYPICAL STRUCTURE IF YOU WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT ENVIRONMENT AND SOMETHING SPECIFIC TO THAT ENVIRONMENT. IT'S PRETTY STANDARD.

>> THANK YOU. >> HAVE A QUESTION. I ACTUALLY HAVE COMMENTS.

>> CERTAINLY.> I CRISTOBOL LET ME SAY I'M NOT OPPOSED TO BUILDING A COLUMBARIUM.

BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT THE PLAN OF PHASE 1 WE WERE ORIGINALLY PRESENTED IS NO LONGER THE PLAN. THAT IS BEING PROPOSED. WE JUST FOUND THIS OUT LAST WEEK. SO THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET A COPY OF THE NEW DOCUMENT. THE ORIGINAL PLAN CALLED FOR 100 80 ¦ IN ENCE IT REALLY WAS A REVISION THAT IS MAKING MUCH OF PHASE 3 FROM THE ORIGINAL PLAN.

HERE ARE COPIES IF YOU WOULD COME FOR BILL. >> GIVE MS. BROWN MY COPY.

>> OH SORRY. WE JUST RECEIVED A NOTIFICATION OF THAT WHEN WE RECEIVED THE BUSINESS PLAN WAS WE ALSO JUST RECEIVED LAST THURSDAY. THE DOCUMENT I HANDED OUT TO THE STAFF WE RECEIVED ON THURSDAY. UNBEKNOWNST THIS DOCUMENT WAS PREPARED DECEMBER 16 OF 2020. IT'S A REVISION OF THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT ON THE WEBSITE.

THE DOCUMENT ISN'T EVEN IN THE AGENDA PACKET. THAT WAS SENT SEPARATELY.

SO I PERSONALLY HAVE A SUGGESTION THAT GIVEN THAT WE REALLY HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THIS. WHERE THESE 4/20 BEING BUILT? WHAT'S THAT PLAN LOOK LIKE? IT'S OVER DOUBLE. AND HALF TIMES THE ORIGINAL SIZE THE PROJECT THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE PHASE 1. THIS COMMITTEE REALLY HASN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THIS.

AND TO MAKE ANY KIND OF JUDGMENT AND WERE BEING ASKED TO DRAW ARCHITECTURAL PLANS FOR THIS BUILDING? I PERSONALLY WOULD NOT BE COMFORTABLE DOING THAT.

WHAT I'M SUGGESTING AND PROPOSING IS WE CONTINUE IN OUR SUBCOMMITTEE FORMAT OVER THE

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WE ALSO JUST RECEIVED THE COPY OF THE 2015 MASTER PLAN FOR THE CEMETERY.

A WEEK AGO. WE REALLY HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO EVEN DISCUSS OR LOOK AT THAT. SO AGAIN, I AM NOT OPPOSED TO BUILDING A COLUMBARIUM.

BUT I AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS THAT WE DON'T REALLY EVEN KNOW WHAT WERE LOOKING TO BUILD.

THIS IS NOT THE SAME PROJECT THAT WE WERE PRESENTED WITH ORIGINALLY.

IT'S BEEN 2 AND HALF TIMES THE SIZE OF THE ORIGINAL PROJECT. SO, THAT'S MY ISSUE WITH BEING FORCED TO TAKE ABOUT TONIGHT. I DON'T FEEL PREPARED TO SAY LET'S GO BECAUSE WERE NOT EVEN COME UP WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THIS WAS THE PROJECT. UNTIL A COUPLE DAYS AGO.

SO, THAT'S MY COMMENT AND INPUT. >> SO, TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION ABOUT THE STUFF WAS POSTED A WEEK PRIOR. SO, YOU GOT IT BEFORE LAST

THURSDAY RIGHT? >> NOT THIS DOCUMENT. >> RIGHT.

THAT'S WHEN YOU HAD EMAILED ME AND YOU SAID YOU COULD EMAIL ME THE ATTACHMENTS THAT WERE ON THE AGENDA. THE ONLY THING THAT TECHNICALLY HAS CHANGED WITH THE PROJECT IS THE REFACING OF IT. WE BASICALLY TOOK WHICH WAS PHASE 3 AND TURNED IT TO PHASE 1 TO MAKE IT MORE, SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO SELL AS MANY NICHES AND WE COULD HAVE MORE NICHES TO BE

BUILT TO THEN PAY FOR THE NEXT PHASING. >> MR. NICHOL, I UNDERSTAND.

TO TRY TO FIGURE THIS OUT. HOWEVER, IT HAS CHANGED. THE SIZE AND LOCATION OF WHERE EXCHANGED WAS ON THE SCHEMATIC THAT WAS THE SMALL SECTION THAT WAS A PHASE 1. NOW WE HAVE ONE

THAT'S SUBSTANTIALLY LARGER. >> JUST THE PHASING. THAT'S ALL.

>> WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE. IT'S EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO

PASS A PLAN THAT YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING. >> THE OTHER ISSUE IS WHEN WE GET IT THE ONLY TIME WE CAN ACTUALLY DEBATE ON IT IS HERE. SO WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY, WE CAN'T SIT THERE CALL EACH OTHER UP AND THE ONLY TIME WE GOT TO DEBATE IS RIGHT HERE. SO, A LOT OF OUR ISSUES AND QUESTIONS ARE COMING OUT NOW

BECAUSE THIS IS THE ONLY TIME THEY CAN. >> YES?

>> I DO REMEMBER IN THE INITIAL PRESENTATION THAT I WAS VERY POSITIVE STRUCK BY MARQUIS TO LISTEN TO US AND ADJUST THE PLAN CHAIN AND SLOW DOWN THE PLAN, MAKE THE PLAN SMALLER, SAVE THE TREE, SAVE THE GRAVES. I AM HAPPY TO HEAR THAT, THAT HAS IN FACT NOT HAPPEN AND THE PLAN TO NOT ADJUST ACCORDING TO THE FEEDBACK THEY WERE GETTING, DON'T TOUCH THE GRAVES, DON'T TOUCH THE LANDSCAPING. I DO BELIEVE THIS IS GOING TO DESIGN SEMI-BEAUTIFUL.

I WAS EXCITED TO APPROVE A PLAN ADJUST THE PLAN. I AGREE WITH MISS PUGH THAT IS TO EARLY AND WE NEED NEED MORE BEFORE WE ENDORSE IT. I THINK WE WILL HAVE A VERY

HAPPY CONCLUSION. >> THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE?

>> THAT'S A COMMENT I THINK, I'M FINE WITH HOW THE SCHEMATIC IS LAID OUT.

IT'S A SCHEMATIC, IT'S A DRAWING THAT SOMEONE PUT OVER TOP OF GOOGLE MAIL.

IT'S ON THE CONSTRUCTION DIAGNOSTIC THAT SAYS EXACTLY WHICH TREE MIGHT FALL IF THERE WOULD BE GRAVES DISTURBED. I THINK WE COULD GO BACK TO THE FIRM AND SAY HEY, WE WANT A DETAILED CONSTRUCTION PLAN WITH THE INTENT THAT NO GRAVES BE DISTURBED AND THAT YOU AVOID DISTURBING TREES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. AND PRESENT US WITHOUT PLAN AND THEN MOVE FORWARD. HAVING LANGUAGE FOREVER AND KEEP DEBATING, LET'S GET THE

PLAN ASKED FOR IT AND MOVE FORWARD. >> BEFORE WE TAKE MORE

COMMENTS, THE COMMITTEE B&. >> I WOULD LIKE TO RAISE THE POINT OF ORDER.

>> BEFORE WE HAVE A DISCUSSION YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE.

THAT'S ROBERTS RULES OF ORDER AND YOU DON'T HAVE A MOTION. >> OUR BYLAWS DO STATE THAT WE

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THAT THE COMMITTEE PROPOSE A MOTION. >> ALL MAKE THAT MOTION.

BUT, THIS THIS COMMITTEE CHARGES CHARGES A A SUBCOMMITTEE TO MEET WITH RELEVANT PARTIES OVER THE NEXT 3 MONTHS. IN A SUBCOMMITTEE FORM TO WORK TOWARDS DEVELOPING A COLUMBARIUM LAN AND SUBSEQUENT RECOMMENDATION TO THE

COMMISSON. . >> DO I HEAR A ECOND?

>> ON SECOND HOUGHT. >> MISS S BROWN I HAVE A COMMENT BEFORE WE GO ON.

>> I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO TAKE THIS BACK TO SUBCOMMITTEE. I THINK THAT'S TO MUCH TIME AND EFFORT. I THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE FIRM AND ASKED THEM FOR A PLAN. THAT'S IT EASIER TO DISCUSS. OTHER ONES WERE MEETING AS A SUBCOMMITTEE AND WHAT WE TALKING ABOUT? UNTIL WE GET THAT I THINK THE FURTHER DISCUSSION IS NOT USEFUL. SO, THAT'S MY OPINION.

>> MR. KAUFMAN, WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND. >> ADAM KAUFMAN 116 S. 10TH STREET. OBVIOUSLY I DIDN'T MAKE MYSELF CLEAR BUT I AGREE.

YOU NEED AN ARCHITECTURAL PLAN TO LOOK OUT. BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING WHAT YOU BEEN DOING ALL THIS TIME. PEOPLE ARE GUESSING WAS GOING TO BE. WHETHER THE ROAD IS GOING TO DO THAT.

IF YOU HAVE AN ARCHITECTURAL PLAN WE CAN EITHER VOTED UP OR VOTED DOWN.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS BESIDE $2000 IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET TO PAY FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL PLAN AND THAT PLAN COULD COME BACK TO YOU YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.

>> THANK YOU. >> CAN I FINISH ONE SECOND. , PLEASE.

SO ANSWERS THE QUESTION. IF YOU VEN'T SET OF ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS AS I SAID. NOT APPROVING IT. NOT AUTHORIZING TO START WORK.

YOU HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT CAN INFORM YOUR DISCUSSION. RIGHT NOW YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY

DOCUMENTS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU MAY BE SEATED.

RIGHT, WE HAVE A FIRST AND A SECOND. WE NEED A VOTE.

DISCUSSION? >> WE MADE THE MOTION AND THE SECOND.

WE CANNOT DISCUSS IT THOUGH. RIGHT? BEFORE YOU VOTE?

>> YES. YES.>> MAY I MAKE A COMMENT? > YES.

>> THE PROBLEM IN MY MIND COMING FROM A DESIGN BACKGROUND IS IF YOU GO BACK TO THE FIRM TO DEVELOP THE ORIGINAL PLAN WHAT ARE YOU GOING ASKED THEM TO DO?

WHAT GUIDELINES ARE YOU GOING TO GIVE THEM? >>?

NOT HAVE A DISCUSSION PLEASE? >> I'M SORRY, I DON'T NEED TO DIRECTLY CITE YOU.

YOU WERE THE ONE THAT SUGGESTED MAKING THE PLAN HAVE THEM TO ANOTHER PLAN.

JUST WONDERING WHAT SORT OF REQUIREMENTS OR GUIDELINES OR THINGS THAT YOU'RE GOING ASKED THEM TO DO, TO CHANGE THE PLAN. WHEN I LOOK AT THEIR PLAN I SEE A NUMBER OF ISSUES.

THE ISSUES HAVE TO DO WITH A NUMBER OF DESIGN ISSUES. THEY HAVE TO DO WITH THE SIZE OF THE COLUMBARIUM. THE MATERIALS, THE HEIGHTS, THE ORIENTATION OF IT.

THE SHAPES THAT ARE THERE. THE IMPACT OF IT. ON THE CEMETERY.

THE, FOR EXAMPLE. LET'S TAKE ORIENTATION. ALL OF THE HEADSTONES IN THE CEMETERY ARE ORIENTED NORTH TO SOUTH. IN THE MARQUIS'S PLAN THERE WERE ORIENTED EAST TO WEST. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD A COLUMBARIUM DO YOU WANT IT TO BE A STRUCTURE THAT LENTEN TO THE EXISTING CEMETERY OR DO YOU WANT ONE THAT IS DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT AND STANDS OUT AND IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO TELL MARQUISE LATIMER TO DO? TO ME IT'S A FUNDAMENTAL DESIGN PHILOSOPHY ISSUE HERE.

IS WHETHER IT LENTEN AND IS PART AND FEELS LIKE THAT HAS BEEN THERE ALL ALONG AND IS

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>> CAN HELP ANSWER THAT OPEN QUESTION. SO, WE DON'T KNOW.

THAT'S THE ANSWER. WE DON'T KNOW SO WE HAVE TO ASK THEM FOR THAT DESIGN OTHERWISE WE WILL CONTINUE TO ASK THE QUESTIONS TO OPEN SPACE.E NEED TO KNOW, BUT THOSE CONCERNS DOWN. WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT WHATEVER THE DETAILS MAY BE.

SEND IT TO THEM WITH OUR INTENT.HAT IS OUR OVERALL INTENT? WHAT THINGS TO WANT TO MINIMIZE? WOULD WE WANT TO GET OUT OF THIS AND BRING BACK SOMETHING THAT'S MORE DETAILED THAN WHAT THEY PROVIDED.

ALTHOUGH THEY PROVIDED A LOT IT DOESN'T EXACTLY SHOW WHERE THINGS ARE.

>> I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU. WE CAN'T DO THAT HERE TONIGHT. WE ONLY MEET ONCE A MONTH.

SO COLLECTIVELY TO WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING REQUIRES US TO MEET. I THINK BY NOT MEETING WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO IS DELAY THIS EVEN FURTHER BECAUSE WERE ONLY GOING TO BE ABLE TO MEET AT THESE MEETINGS. SO TO HELP SPEED THE PROCESS ALONG IN MY OPINION, THE BEST THING TO DO IS TO TRY TO MEET AGAIN AS A SUBCOMMITTEE FLESH THAT OUT AND GET IT OUT MORE QUICKLY. NOT DOING IT IS GOING TO COME BACK TO A REGULAR MEETING EVER GONNA TALK ABOUT IT AND THEN IT'S GONNA GO COMMIT MY INTENT IS TO TRY TO MOVE THIS PROCESS FORWARD AND PUT SOME KIND OF TIMEFRAME AND SAY LET'S MOVE IT FORWARD BUT LET'S MAKE SURE WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WERE DOING HERE. AND AGAIN, GETTING A BUSINESS PLAN A WEEK BEFORE MEETING AND THIS SCHEMATIC THAT WAS GIVEN NO OTHER STATE IS NOT ENOUGH TIME FOR US TO DO THAT. REGARDLESS OF WHEN IT WAS DONE. I JUST THINK IT WOULD HELP THE

PROJECT TO BE ABLE TO MEET. >> WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO SAY THE SUBCOMMITTEE SHALL MEET BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING OF THIS COMMITTEE PRESENT BEFORE THIS COMMITTEE BEFORE THE DESIGN IS APPROVED SO WHEN WE ASKED THEM THE ARCHITECTURAL FIRM TO GIVE US GOOD DESIGN WITH A POT, THE DESIGN MUST BE ONE THAT DOES NOT MOVE ANY GRADES, DOES NOT REMOVE ANY TREES. IT'S A SOUTH NORTH ORIENTATION. IT DOES NOT CHANGE THE CHARACTER. THIS IS A GOOD FIRM. THEY WILL APPLAUD.

>> MY CONCERN WHEN IT WAS INITIALLY BROUGHT UP TO US. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE UNINTRUSIVE. IT WAS SUPPOSED BE SOMETHING UNINTRUSIVE.

I REMEMBER I BROUGHT UP MY DAD AND FAMILY GRAVES OUT THERE. IT'S SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S ALREADY OUT THERE. IT WASN'T WHAT WE WERE ORIGINALLY THOUGHT IT WAS. CONNOR GOT CAUGHT OFF GUARD WHEN I OPEN THE DOCUMENT IN ITS HUGE AND IT'S RED. I HAVE A BIG JOB JUST READ BUT I DON'T WANT TO SEATED IN A

GRAVEYARD. THAT'S MILDLY CONCERNED. >> ALL RIGHT WE HAVE A REQUEST FOR AN AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION. DO YOU WANT TO AMEND THE MOTION?

>> I WOULD NOT LIKE TO BE PINNED INTO SAINT WE HAVE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.

BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THE PLANS WOULD COME. WE DON'T KNOW WHEN WE CAN MEET.

SO, THAT'S MINE. >> IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON THE FIRST

AND SECOND. ANYMORE DISCUSSION? >> NO LATER THAN 3 MONTHS.

>> WITHIN A 3 MONTH TIME PERIOD. >> NO MORE THAN 3 MONTHS.

MS. BROWN? I'M JUST GONNA CALL IT BECAUSE I WAS ALONE 2 BASICALLY THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS THAT YOU HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE TO WORK WITH PARTIES AND SUBSEQUENT AND PROVIDE SUBSEQUENT APPROVAL TO THE COMMISSION AT A LATER DATE. WE WOULD LIKE TO AMEND THE MOTION TO STATE THAT THE SUBCOMMITTEE WILL MEET PRIOR TO THE NEXT MEETING.

>> WE WOULD JUST BE SAYING THE ENDS WITHIN 3 MONTHS. >> WITHIN 3 MONTHS.

>> OKAY. >> HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. >> SO GOING BACK TO THIS FIRM

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WHO WOULD DO THAT? >> I THINK THE PLAN WAS ULTIMATELY THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS COST FOR THIS PARTICULAR COLUMBARIUM DESIGN JUST UNDER $20,000.

I BELIEVE THAT THE CITY MANAGER AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR HIM OBVIOUSLY, BUT I BELIEVE THE CITY MANAGER WANTED TO PRESENT A MOTION FROM THE PARK COMMITTEE EITHER FOR OR AGAINST MOVING FORWARD WITH THE CONSTRUCTION JOINTS. SO HE WITHIN INTERN I BELIEVE TAKE THEM TO THE CITY COMMISSION. FURTHER DISCUSSION AS WELL.

THEN AT THAT POINT IT WOULD BE I BELIEVE DAN THE CITY MANAGER WOULD REACH OUT TO THE FIRM.

>> I THINK THE QUESTION MR. ROBERTS ASKED WAS WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR GETTING THE COMPANY

BACK HERE TO TALK TO US. >> WELL WE WOULD JUST ASK THEM, CALL THEM.

IT'S GONNA COST MONEY I'M ASSUMING. YET, WE WOULD JUST CALL THEM.

>> OKAY. PROCEDURALLY, I'M JUST TRYING TO SORT THIS OUT MY HEAD REAL QUICK. IF IT'S YES, SIR NO PUSH THIS WAR TO THE CITY COMMISSION OR NOT AS A PLAN BUT NO DESIGN ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN PART OF IT.

THEN THEY WOULD GO IN THE CITY MANAGER WOULD REQUEST THE DESIGN IN THE CITY COMMISSION

WOULD PROVE IT BASED ON THAT? OR DISAPPROVE IT BASED ON THAT? >> IF ANYTHING OVER $20,000 HAS TO BE, THE CITY COMMISSION HAS TO APPROVE THAT. THIS DOES NOT FALL OVER $20,000. I DO BELIEVE CITY MANAGER DOES WANT TO PRESENT IT TO THE CITY COMMISSION TO EITHER GET THEIR DISCUSSION OR TO GET THEIR OPINION AS WELL.

>> ALL RIGHT, WE STILL HAVE A VOTE. >> FAITH, CAN ADD ONE THING?

>> CERTAINLY. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO A COLUMBARIUM EITHER.

I'M ABSOLUTELY IN FAVOR OF IT. THE MARKETING PLAN AND ALL THE OTHER MATERIALS THAT YOU PUT TOGETHER I APPLAUD THAT. I THINK THOSE ARE TERRIFIC. THE WORK THAT EVERYBODY'S PUTTING ON THIS IS GREAT. I JUST HAVE ONE SMALL PROBLEM AND THAT'S WITH THE DESIGN AND PERFECTLY HAPPY TO GO BACK TO MARQUISE LATIMER AND GIVE THEM SOME GUIDELINES WITH PUBLIC INPUT PRESUMABLY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WILL SHOW UP AT THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING WE CAN DISCUSS WHAT THOSE GUIDELINES OUGHT TO BE AND GET BACK TO OUR CASE LATIMER LET THEM CHANGE

THEIR DESIGN. THAT'S IT. >> I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO COMMENT. I ALSO HAD SOME CONCERNS AND I HAVE PUT THEM IN THE FORM OF, TO BACK UP. I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE A COLUMBARIUM IN THE CEMETERY.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE FINANCIAL HEALTH OF THE CEMETERY.

HOWEVER, I THINK EVERYONE ON THIS COMMITTEE IS SAYING THE SAME THING.

IT'S JUST THAT WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN A DESIGN THAT HAS HAD NO WORKSHOP DONE WITH THAT WE HAVE A FINANCIAL PACKAGE THAT HAS SOME SERIOUS QUESTIONS TO BE ASKED ABOUT IT.

BECAUSE, THE FIRST SECTION IF YOU LOOK AT THE PACKET, THE $2 MILLION FOR THE FIRST PART DOES NOT TAKE OUT THE PERPETUAL CARE FUND MONEY. THERE ARE A WHOLE BUNCH OF ISSUES WITH THE FINANCIAL PACKAGE. AND, THERE NEEDS TO BE A SLEW OF ORDINANCES PASSED TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. THE WAY THIS ORDINANCE SAYS RIGHT NOW THAT WE HAVE, IT SAYS THE LOTS ARE TO BE PUT, THE MONDAY OF THE LOTS ARE TO BE PUT IN A PERPETUAL CARE FUND. THAT DOES NOT TALK ABOUT NEW SHOWS.

ALL OF THOSE NEED TO BE CHANGED. AND I HAVE ACTUALLY WRITTEN EMAIL TO COMMISSIONER KRIEGER SUGGESTING THAT THE CITY COMMISSION IN CONSIDERING A

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THAT I ACTUALLY, I WANT THIS TO SUCCEED. THERE ARE SO MANY ISSUES WITH THIS I'M GOING TO PASS THIS OUT. OF ALL THE QUESTIONS THAT THE CITY COMMISSION MAY WANT TO ANSWER. HAVE NOT BEEN TAUGHT WITH.

AND AS A RESULT IF WE DID HAVE A MOTION TO EITHER TO MY OR APPROVE THIS COLUMBARIUM THAT PROFESSIONALLY PROPOSED COLUMBARIUM PLAN. I WOULD SUGGEST THIS COMMITTEE AND ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS. ALL RIGHT. THAT, THERE'S SO MUCH THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. THERE'S A WHOLE SECTION ON THE BUILDING CODE, THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE ON WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN WITH THE PERPETUAL CARE FUND.

IT'S JUST NOT IN OUR ORDINANCES. IT'S A GOVERNMENT REGULATION.

THERE ARE WHOLE ISSUES OF THE CEMETERY NOT BEING ZONED TO BE A CEMETERY.

BEFORE WE EVEN PUT A STRUCTURE IN THERE WE HAVE TO PASS AN ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS THE

CEMETERY TO BE CEMETERY. YES? >> BEFORE WE WRAP AROUND THE ACTION. LET'S MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND IT.

THE ORIGINAL INTENT HERE IS IT PRUDENT AND I WROTE THIS DOWN FOR MR. CALL BEN.

IS IT PRUDENT TO HAVE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS? IS NOT OVER VOTING ON?

>> WE CAN ONLY RECOMMEND. >> OKAY MY QUESTION IS, CAN WE TRUST, I THINK CROSSING YES WE

NEED DRAWINGS, WE NEED SOMETHING. >> ABSOLUTELY IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A COMMITTEE ARE ABLE TO DO. LET'S MEANT WHAT WAS GIVEN TO US BY RESOLUTION. WE CAN ONLY RECOMMEND REVIEW THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.

WE CAN ONLY RECOMMEND PROGRAMS OR SERVICES OF THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT.

ALL RIGHT? FOR US TO RECOMMEND CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS IS LIKELY OUT OF OUR PURVIEW. HOWEVER I WOULD NOT TAKE THAT TO THE BANK.

I THINK WITH THIS COMMITTEE NEEDS TO DO IS ACTUALLY ASKED IF WE HAVE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT. WE ALSO HAD SOMEONE TELL US THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER REASON WHY WE WERE SUPPOSED TO RECOMMENDED AND I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS.

I THINK I WROTE IT DOWN. IT WAS A DIFFERENT REASON. JUST TO APPROVE THE PLAN.

SO, I'M GOING BACK TO WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA. WHAT THE CITY COMMISSION, THE CITY MANAGER ASKED US TO DO. HIS 2 EITHER APPROVE THIS COLUMBARIUM PLAN OR NOT APPROVE

IT. >> OKAY. >> THAT'S WHAT HE ASKED US TO DO. ALL RIGHT, CAN WE GO BACK TO THE FIRST AND SECOND MOTIONS AND CALL FOR A VOTE. WOULD YOU MIND READING IT TO US AGAIN MISS BROWN?

>> THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS THAT THE COMMITTEE CHARGE A SUBCOMMITTEE TO MEET WITH RELEVANT PARTIES WORK TOWARDS DEVELOPING ALL AMERICAN PLAN AND SUBSEQUENTLY PROVIDE THE

COMMISSION WITHIN A 3 MONTH PERIOD. >> YOU SHOULD CHANGE APPROVAL

TO RECOMMENDATION IS WE CAN'T PROVE IT. >> YES?

>> STATED RECOMMENDATION SOUNDS VERY GENERAL. I THOUGHT THE PURPOSE OF THE SUBCOMMITTEE WAS TO DEVELOP RECOMMENDATION FOR THE ARCHITECTURAL FIRM TO GET THE

PHYSICAL DRAWINGS. >> THE CITY MANAGER REQUESTED THAT WE APPROVE OR DENY THE

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COLUMBARIUM PLAN. >> SOBER DOING EITHER. HER.

[LAUGHTER]. I'M PROPOSING THAT AS AN ERNATIVE.

FRANKLY A REPORT IS NO DISRESPECT FOR THE CITY MANAGER.

OUR RESOLUTION CHARGES TO THE COMMISSION. I HAVEN'T HEARD THE COMMISSION COME AND ASK US FOR THAT. I PERSONALLY WOULD HAVE NO ISSUE NOT TAKEN OUT VOTE

TONIGHT. >> WE STILL HAVE THE 2 ON THE FLOOR.

HAVE TO HAVE IT READ AGAIN. THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS THAT THE COMMITTEE CHARGES A SUBCOMMITTEE TO MEET WITH RELEVANT NT ¦ SUBSEQUENTLY RECOMMEND MAKE A

RECOMMENDATION. [INDISCERNABLE]. >> HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT THE WEIGHT STATED. NOT DOING A COLUMBARIUM PLAN. WHILE WERE DOING IS EITHER SAYING CAN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS OR NOT. THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING.

>> LET'S SEE IF WE AGREE ON THIS LANGUAGE. THAT IT BE, PRESENTLY PROPOSED

COLUMBARIUM PLAN. >> FIRST WORK TOWARDS IMPROVING THE PRESENTLY PROPOSED.

MORGAN B&. >> QUESTION I HAVE WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE IS YOUR ULTIMATE

PLAN TO REDESIGN THE COLUMBARIUM? >> MY PLAN IS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IS NOT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED WHEN I SEE IT SHIFT FROM HUNDRED 80 TO 4/20 BEACHES.

FRANKLY, WHEN I SEE THAT THERE IS NO FOR EXAMPLE THERE'S NO PLAN FOR THE FAULTS IN THE ORIGINAL PLAN. BUT THERE ARE IN THE NEW. SO THINGS HAVE CHANGED IN THE PLAN WHICH AFFECTS THE MARKETING PLAN AND THE BUSINESS PLANS.

I JUST FEEL WE HAVE NOT HAD TIME TO DIGEST THIS. IN ORDER TO MAKE A FAIR RECOMMENDATION. OF THE PLAN. I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY WE WITHDRAW OUR PLANS TO CONSTRUCT SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T BELIEVE NO, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THAT IS. ARE YOU PLANNING TO MOVE PHASE 3 AND PUT IT WHERE IT IS IN THE PLAN? NOW YOU'RE BUILDING A 4/20. SO IS A PHYSICAL LOCATION GOING TO MOVE? OR SQUEEZING THOSE IN? I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS. I'M NOT AN ARCHITECT.

I'M NOT INTERESTED IN DOING IT. I'M INTERESTED IN UNDERSTANDING WHY THE PLAN WAS REVISED AND HOW IT WAS REVISED AND WHERE WE PLAN TO PUT THIS 4/20 NATIONBUILDING.

THAT WAS MY ONLY ISSUE. I DON'T THINK WE CAN KEEP DOING THIS AT MEETINGS ONCE A MONTH.

I THINK WE NEED TO MEET AND GET THOSE QUESTIONS ANSWERED AND TRIED TO MOVE THIS PROCESS

ALONG.>> I THINK THE SUB MEETING IS A GREAT IDEA. THE TIMEFRAME IS A GOOD IDEA AND THE WORDING IS PERFECT. I THINK WE HAVE TO ADD TINY BIT OF CLARIFICATION TO SAY PLAN, SOMETHING LIKE E.G. IN DETAILED FEEDBACK TO THE ARCHITECTURAL FIRM FOR THE PURPOSE OF REQUESTING PHYSICAL DRAWINGS. AND THAT FOCUSES AND WILL BE GETTING DETAILED FEEDBACK SO THEY CAN DO THE DRAWINGS. WE HAVE THE MONEY FOR THE DRAWINGS AVAILABLE ON THE DRAWINGS. WE WANT THE COLUMBARIUM.

[INDISCERNABLE]. >> WITH INCLUDING BUT I THOUGHT TO BE THE EXCLUSIVE VERBALLY.

>> INCLUDING, THAT'S IT. >> BECAUSE LIKE YOU ASKED A QUESTION TONIGHT ABOUT THE SURVEY. THERE'S QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUSINESS PLAN.

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THIS IS JUST GOING TO KEEP GOING AND GOING WITH QUESTIONS AND SO FORTH.

SO, WE ARE MENDING THE MOTION. TO ADD THE LANGUAGE, MISS BROWN OLYFT.

>> ,BUT I'M ADDING. X IDING FEEDBACK FROM RCHITECTURAL FEEDBACK OF THE DESIGN. AND REQUESTING A PHYSICAL HYSICAL PLAN.

>> NOW THAT WE HAVE CHANGED IT. COULD I HAVE A SECOND? >> ALL SECOND.

>> MISS BROWN POLITICAL VOTE PLEASE? [VOTE]

>> THANK YOU. >> SHOULD BE ESTABLISH A DATE FOR THE SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING.

>> YES. LET'S GET OUR CALENDARS. SUGGESTIONS FOR DATES? NONE? THE SOONER THE BETTER. ALL RIGHT MISS PUGH?

>> I CAN MEET DEPENDING ON THE TIME I CAN MAKE THIS WEEK AS EARLY AS THIS WEEK.

>> I CANNOT. HOW ABOUT NEXT WEEK? >> HOW ABOUT MONDAY.

>> MONDAY? >> IS ABOUT HOLIDAY? >> THAT ARE HOLIDAY.

>> WILL THE BUILDING BE CLOSED? WILL WE BE ABLE TO USE AUDITORIUM AGAIN?

>> YEAH. >> OKAY. SO MONDAY?

>> DOES MONDAY WORK? ANYONE ELSE? >> WHAT TIME?

>> WHAT TIME WOULD YOU LIKE? >> I'VE GOT A FOOD DRIVE AT MY MOM'S COVID SHOT.

>> OH, CONGRATULATIONS. >> WHAT 11 WORK? >> 11 O'CLOCK?

>> 11 O'CLOCK ON MONDAY. >> DOES THAT WORK? >> THAT DOES NOT WORK FOR SAM.

>> WE NEED A WEEK TO POST IT. >> WELL, THAT'S FRANK OKAY WHEN IS THE FIRST AVAILABLE WHAT'S THE NEXT AVAILABLE TO THE FOLLOWING TUESDAY? >.

>> WHAT ABOUT WEDNESDAY AFTERNOON. >> WHICH DATE IS WEDNESDAY?>

17TH. >> THE 17TH. >> THAT DOES NOT WORK FOR YOU?

>> DOES THAT WORK FOR YOU? YES MA'AM? >> IT'S A SUBCOMMITTEE SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU VOLUNTEER MEMBERS THAT WANT TO BE ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE LIKE THEY DID LAST TIME. SO THOSE THAT CAN ATTEND YOU CAN DETERMINE WHO CAN AND

CAN'T. >> IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF WE DO FIGURE IT OUT I HAD A TIME.

>> I COULD DO AT ANY TIME. >> I'M USUALLY AVAILABLE MOST TIMES.

ANYONE ELSE? >> YES? WOULD IT HELP IF IT'S EARLIER

IN THE DAY?HAT TIME? >> ANY TIME. >> 11 O'CLOCK ON THE 17TH?

>> WHICH DATE IS THE 17TH. >> IT'S A WEDNESDAY. >> WEDNESDAY.

>> LATER? STAFF? >> DOES NOT WORK FOR STAFF?

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UNITED WAY IN THE EVENING. >> OKAY SO WERE GOOD AT 11 O'CLOCK THE MORNING.

>> YES, THAT IS CORRECT. >> WERE GOOD. >> AT THE ATLANTA GYMNASIUM.

>> ALL RIGHT. YES. ALL RIGHT.

IS THAT IT FOR THE COLUMBARIUM? ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT.

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I KNOW YOU PROBABLY ALL DID YOUR HOMEWORK. [LAUGHTER].

I KNOW, SO DID I. WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE AND YOU MAY OFFER ANY SUGGESTION THAT YOU WANT.

THAT YOU SEND YOUR NOTES TO MISS BROWN AND SHE CAN COMPILE THEM FOR US.

AND THEN SEND THEM ON TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. IF WE NEED TO HAVE THEM DISCUSSED LATER THEN WE CAN DO THAT. YES MS. ALEXANDRA REED LAJOUX.

>> THE PLANNING AVERSIVE BOARD MEETING AT 5 O'CLOCK. THEY SHOULD'VE A SMALL WORKING GROUP THAT DEVELOPED ALL THESE GOALS OF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WILL BE GIVING A 10 MINUTE PRESENTATION. IF YOU COULD POSSIBLY TUNE IN OR TENT THAT WILL GIVE YOU THE VALUES WHO ANIMATED THIS ENTIRE DOCUMENT INCLUDING ¦

>> THANK YOU. WE DID DISTRIBUTE THE WORKING GROUP OF MISS KIRKLAND'S INFORMATION TO THIS COMMITTEE. JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS. AND THAT INFORMATION WAS GIVEN TO US. SO WE CAN ALSO INCLUDED IN OUR INFORMATION.

SO YES, IT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION. >> IN THE REVIEW OF THAT MANY OF MY QUESTIONS WERE ABOUT THE COMMENTS IN THE PLAN ABOUT MASTER PLAN. IN USING IT AND GOING SOME OF

THIS ISN'T REALLY RELEVANT ANYMORE. >> IT'S NOT.

YEAH. >> THAT'S WHY IT WOULD'VE BEEN HELPFUL TO GET SOME OF THIS INFORMATION IN THE COMP PLAN ASSAULT FILTERS AND DOWN TO THE MASTER PLAN. GUESS ¦

>> MISS ROSS SINCE IT IS ON THE AGENDA COULD BE AT LEAST JUST RUN THROUGH EACH OF THE MEMBERS AND HERE WITH THEIR IDEAS WERE ABOUT IT? THAT WILL HELP STIMULATE OTHER IDEAS THAT INDIVIDUALLY WE MIGHT NOT HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT. JUST QUICKLY.

>> QUICKLY? I'LL GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY FIRST ERIC.

>> GOT BASICALLY 4 THINGS. ONE IS A POLICY THAT TALKS ABOUT AND AGAIN I DON'T KNOW THE WORDING FOR THESE KINDS OF THINGS. A POLICY THAT TALKS ABOUT SHIFTING EMPHASIS FROM NEW PARKS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE WATERFRONT PARK TO IMPROVING AND MAINTAINING OUR EXISTING PARKS. THAT'S SORT OF A CONCEPTUAL SHIFT IN EMPHASIS OR FOCUS I GUESS. SO ABOUT THIS MORNING AREA.

ANOTHER ONE WHICH IS SPECIFIC HAS TO DO WITH PLANTING ON CITY PROPERTY, PLANTING 2 TREES FOR EVERY ONE TRAIT THAT'S REMOVED. THAT'S FAIRLY EASY IN SOME PLACES.

IF I COULD SUCH A PART OF A TREE COMES DOWN JUST HAVE TO PLAN TOMORROW.

THAT WOULD BE DIFFICULT AT SIMMONS ROAD PARK BUT, IT WOULD BE GREAT.

WE WOULD GET 40 TREES FOR THE 20,000 WERE REMOVED OR WHATEVER.

I'M JUST TRYING THAT OUT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD EVEN WORK OR WHETHER THE CITY WOULD AGREE TO THAT OR NOT. WHATEVER, OKAY. THIRDLY IS A POLICY THAT ADDRESSES REDUCING OUR CARBON FOOTPRINT AND HAS TO DO WITH THE PARKS AND WORK DEPARTMENT.

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AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS, THAT'S THE BIG PICTURE FOR EVERYBODY.

IN THE LAST HAS TO DO WITH THE MASTER PLAN. THINGS LIKE THE POLICY 6.01014 WHICH IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCEPT. WE JUST CAN'T DO THAT.

>> I THINK IT'S A GREAT POLICY. BUT PHYSICALLY IT'S IMPOSSIBLE. WE NEED TO MAKE THAT CHANGE.

>> NO GO HEAD. >> YEAH, THAT'S IT. >> ARE PARTICULARLY LIKE YOU HAD DIFFICULTY WITH THE HALF-MILE RADIUS NEIGHBORHOOD PARK.

WERE HISTORIC CITY. BRODY PLOTTED OUT. WERE BUILT.

SUTURE THE BUILDINGS DOWN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE. I JUST CHANGED, I WENT THROUGH AND TRIED TO CHANGE THE LANGUAGE. ACCESS LEVELS SERVES THE HALF-MILE WHEN PARKLAND ISN'T ACCESSIBLE BY PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO BE THAT WE START SOME PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION PLAN THAT GIVES ACCESS TO ALL THESE PARKS THAT WE HAVE AND ALSO MEETS OUR ADA COMPLIANCE ISSUES IN THE CITY.

SO THAT, WE COULD GO A HEAD START PROVIDING THIS TYPE OF SERVICE THAT GETS KIDS INSTEAD OF HAVING ALL THE PARENTS GIVEN A CAR AND DROVE THEM OFF TO SOME PRACTICE THAT WE LESSEN OUR CARBON FOOTPRINT BY ACTUALLY MAKING IT SO THAT KIDS CAN GET THERE, IF YOU HAVE A PARENT THAT TAKES 6 KIDS ON THE BUS. WE HAVE SOME SORT OF TRANSPORTATION PLAN. PRESENTLY ON THE NORTH FLORIDA TRANSPORTATION, NORTH FLORIDA TRANSPORTATION, IS THE BOARD. I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT THE NAME OF IT.

I READ ALL THESE DOCUMENTS. THAT FERNANDINA BEACH HAS A SEAT ON THE TECHNICAL COMMITTEE OF THIS BOARD THAT PROVIDES TRANSPORTATION STUDIES AND WOULD HELP WITH THE COMPLETE STREETS PROGRAM. AND IT'S EMPTY AND WE DO NOT GO OUT AND ASK FOR THINGS.

SO, IT WOULD BEHOOVE THE COMMISSION TO AT LEAST PUT SOMEONE ON THIS BOARD AND GET SOME OF THESE SERVICES THAT MAY BE ABLE TO USE. I MEAN, WERE DEALING WITH 30,000 PEOPLE OR MORE ACROSS THE BRIDGE WERE TRYING TO GET TO THE BEACH.

CONTINUOUSLY. WE CAN'T PROVIDE ENOUGH PARKING GARAGE IS FOR THESE PEOPLE.

SO, AT SOME POINT THE BUS HAS TO BE USED. I HATE TO MENTION THE WORD BUS IN THIS COMMUNITY. I'M SURE IT DOESN'T HAVE THE GREATEST QUANTITATION.

AT SOME POINT THESE PARKS NEED TO BE UTILIZED AND WE SHOULD BE BUILDING PARKING GARAGES.

BUT THAT'S ME. THERE ARE A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS THAT I WENT THROUGH AND PUT IN HERE THAT WE REALLY NEED POSSIBLY TO TAKE A LOOK AT.

ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? >> I HAD THE SAME ISSUE ABOUT THE HALF-MILE RADIUS.

I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE POLICY 60304 ABOUT THE CITY CONVERTING SELLING LAND.O THE NEW CHARTER AMENDMENT, WITHOUT CHANGE THAT LANGUAGE IN THEIR IS MY QUESTION ABOUT THAT? THAT WOULD LIKELY I GUESS BE UPDATED.

THEN I HAVE THE QUESTION ABOUT MOM, BUT WE TALK ABOUT ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE LANDS

IS ACCEPTED DEFINITION FOR THAT? >> EXCUSE ME, COMMISSIONER,

WOULD YOU STAND P. >> SHAME ON YOU. >> THERE IS A DEFINITION IT'S EITHER IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

>> I BELIEVE IT'S IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. >> ALL IN HERE SOMEWHERE.

A SEPARATE SECTION. OKAY. THEN THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE

WAS. >> HAS A GREENWAY BEEN INCORPORATED AS PART OF THE TRAILS NETWORK? IS THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED? IT WAS UNDER POLICY 6 1004.

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>> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE GREEN RACE? TRAIL?

THE EAST COAST GREENWAY. >> THE GREENWAY AS PART OF THE GREAT FLORIDA BIRDING TRAIL.

>> IT IS PART OF THE FLORIDA TRAIL. >> AND SEEK GREENWAY AND TRAILS

NETWORK. >> I DON'T THINK THE ELIGIBILITY OF IT WOULD'VE WORKED FOR THE GREAT WAVES AND TRAILS THAT'S MORE THAN ALSO COUNTY BUILT AROUND.

IT IS AN OPTION TO GO OFF OF THE EXISTING NASSAU COUNTY TRAILS INTO THE GREENWAY.

I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S NOT INCORPORATED INTO THAT. >> OKAY SO THAT'S STILL A VALID PIECE IN THEIR OR AN ALTERNATIVE TO THAT OR ANYTHING?

>> IT DEPENDS ON HOW MANY BICYCLES WE WANT THE GREENWAY. >> YES.

>> THERE WAS ONE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT IS.

OH, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ALSO TALKED ABOUT RECREATIONAL BIKE TRAILS AND ALL THAT AND NEW DEVELOPMENTS. TO ACTUALLY DO THAT? TO ACTUALLY REQUIRE?

I DON'T THINK WE ACTUALLY REQUIRE THAT DO WE? >> I JUST HAD SIDEWALKS, BICYCLE PATHS AND DEDICATION SHOULD BE REQUIRED IN REGARD TO NEW DEVELOPMENTS.

TO PROVIDE SAFE ACCESS TO PARKS AND RECREATION AND OPEN-SPACE BORDER.

>> I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTED.

I'M JUST SAYING IF NOT GOOD TO WHY PUT IT IN. >> I KNOW.

INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION IS LISTED IN THEIR TO BE ELEVATED TO THE TOP OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES. THERE ARE MANY AND ONE OF THE THINGS WITH THE ORIGINAL MASTER PLAN OF PROXIMATE WAS CONCERNED WITH THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE REPLICATING SERVICES THAT ARE IN THE COMMUNITY. AND I AM GOING TO SEND TO THE COMMITTEE, THE MASTER PLAN THAT THE COUNTY RECENTLY ADOPTED FOR PARKS AND RECREATION. THAT WHICH THEY ARE PRESENTLY TRYING TO PUT TOGETHER A BUDGET FOR. THAT WOULD OFFER SOME OTHER VIDEOS FOR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE CITY DOES. SO, I THINK THERE'S REAL OPPORTUNITIES HERE TO COORDINATE WITH THEM. AND I DO BELIEVE THEY ARE LOOKING FOR A BOND TO START CONSTRUCTION AT SOME OF THESE FACILITIES.

THOSE ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE ADDRESSED. IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION

ON THE COMP PLAN? >> SIMILAR COMMENT ABOUT THE HALF-MILE RADIUS.

THE 12 ACRES PER PARKLAND FOR 1000 RESIDENTS. I THINK THAT IS UNNECESSARY RESTRICTION. FRIGGIN RUN OUT OF ACRES EVENTUALLY, RIGHT?

>> IS JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, YEARS AGO IT WAS 7 ACRES. AND WE INCREASED IT.

WE CAN MORE THAN ACCOMMODATE FOR NOW BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE WITH THE GREENWAY.

SO, THAT CAN BE CHANGED JUST LET YOU KNOW WERE NOT IN ANY DANGER.

>> I FIGURED THAT WITH THE GREENWAY. EVENTUALLY YOU'RE GOING TO ADD

MORE POPULATION. [LAUGHTER]. >> THERE IS MORE ACREAGE ALSO

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COMMISSIONERS MANAGED TO DO FOR US. >> DOES NOT INCLUDE THE BEACH?

>> NO IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE BEACH. IT INCLUDES ACCESS AND DOES IT INCLUDE THE GOLF COURSE?> I'M NOT SURE. ONCE HE DOES.

>> QUICK QUESTION. HAS THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT HAD PUT INTO THIS?

>> INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? >> WE WILL EVERY YEAR WERE WELL IN ADVANCE OF MAKING ANY UPDATES. THAT'S WHY WE PROVIDED IT TO YOU GUYS AS SOON AS WE HEARD THAT THEY WERE GOING TO START DISCUSSING IT. SO YES, IT ALWAYS COMES TO US FOR FEEDBACK. THAT'S WHY WE CHANGE THE ACRE IS A FEW YEARS AGO.

>> WE NEED TO GIVE US INFORMATION. TO MS. BROWN TO COLLATE AND DO

YOU WANT US TO EMAIL IT TO YOU OR WOULD YOU LIKE A HARD COPY? >> EMAIL PLEASE.

>> TMILLS PLEASE. >> I HAVE ONE QUESTION. >> HAVE WE DONE SOME TYPE OF ANALYSIS ON WHAT THE FUTURE IMPACT OF GLOBAL WATER ARISING ON A RECESSES THAT MAY IMPACT

OUR PARKS AND REC'S OR WHATEVER? >> SOME MUNICIPALITIES, DOING IT COLLECTIVELY OFF OFTEN EVERY TIME I GET ON THE NEWS I KEEP HEARING ORGAN AT PARTICULARLY WERE ON AN ISLAND THAT WERE MORE AT RISK THAN OTHER LOCATIONS.

>> I WOULD SUGGEST YOU PUT THAT IN ONE OF YOUR COMP PLAN CONCERNS.

SEND THAT TO MS. BROWN. >> OKAY. >> ANY OTHERS? ALL RIGHT. OKAY, WE HAVE ITEMS NUMBER 2 BUDGET 2021 Ã2022.

[7.2 Budget 20212022]

>> EVERY IMMEDIATELY HAVE WE TALK ABOUT A BUDGET AND HOW THIS IMPACTS WHAT WERE DOING.

>> WOULD YOU LIKE US TO PUT THIS ON THE NEXT MEETING'S AGENDA?

>> ORGAN HAVE TO. >> YEAH. AND MAYBE IN THE MEANTIME YOU

CAN EMAIL MS. VOIGT WITH YOUR CONCERNS. >> YES, IT WOULD HELP US WITH SOMETHING SPECIFIC. IF IT'S LIKE OUTSIDE REQUESTED THAT WE DON'T HAVE BUDGETED.

THAT'S ALWAYS AN SSUE. IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT WITH THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT IS PROPOSED. ANYTHING OR IF IT'S AN OPERATIONAL ITEM.

IF YOU COULD GIVE ME A HEADS UP WE CAN BE PREPARED AND ALL OF THE BUDGET INFORMATION IS ON THE CITY WEBSITE OF COURSE. YOU DON'T SEE WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS.

I COULD ALWAYS PROVIDE THAT TO YOU. >> THANK YOU MS. VOIGT.

[8.1 Parks and Recreation December Report to the City Manager]

>> YES. >> STAFF REPORT. > IS AT THE JANUARY REPORT?

>> SAYS DECEMBER REPORT. >> AS THE DECEMBER REPORT BECAUSE OF THIS HAVING TO BE

POSTED PRIOR TO THAT. >> IF THE DECEMBER REPORT. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> I CAN TALK TO NAN AND SEE IF WE COULD GET THE JANUARY REPORT.

>> I JUST SUBMITTED THE JANUARY REPORT TODAY. IT'S DUE ON THE 10TH IN THE

CITY MANAGER. >> THEN PERHAPS WE COULD GO-AHEAD.

>> THAT'S WHY THE POSTING OF THE MEETING FALLS THE WEIGHT FALLS.

IT'S NOT COMPLETELY DONE. I'M SURE WE CAN MAKE A CHANGE AND YOU COULD ADD.

>> I CAN PULL UP THE JANUARY REPORT RIGHT NOW. >> IS IT POSSIBLE TO GIVE US

BOTH REPORTS AT THE NEXT MEETING? >> WE WON'T HAVE THE FAVORITE

REPORT FOR MARCH MEETING YET. WORKS OKAY. >> WE WILL HAVE JANUARY'S.

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NEXT OKAY. >> THAT WE CAN VERBALLY FILL YOU IN ON FEBRUARY'S.

WE JUST POSTED. >> IS THE SAME ONE WE HAD. THE PREVIOUS REPORT?

>> YOU HAVE THE DECEMBER. AND THIS IS THE DECEMBER. >> YOU HAVE THE NOVEMBER.

ROB IS A COUPLE MONTHS BEHIND BECAUSE OF THE WAY THIS MEETING HAS TO BE POSTED BEFORE THAT

REPORT IS DUE TO THE CITY MANAGER. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> I CAN PROVIDE SOME BRIEF UPDATES. >> YES MA'AM.

>> I CAN LET YOU KNOW THAT BEACH ACCESS 6 NORTH WAS A GRANT WAS AWARDED TO HELP PAY FOR THAT AND IT'S BEING ENGINEERED BY OUR CITY ENGINEER.

THE SEASIDE PARK EXISTING PROPERTY OR EXISTING STRUCTURE HAS SOME DEFICIENCIES SO FROM THE SECOND PAVILION TO THE BEACH NEEDS TO BE COMPLETELY REMOVED AND REPLACED WHERE WE WILL DO THE SWITCHBACK, GOING SOUTH TO THE NORTH. WE ALREADY HAVE OUR STATE PERMITS FROM TALLAHASSEE FOR THAT. CHARLIE GEORGE R CITY ENGINEER WILL DO THE ACTUAL ENGINEERING. WE HAVE THE SITE PLAN WITH A PRELIMINARY PLAN FOR THE PERMITTING WAS DONE BY SHALLOT AND ASSOCIATES BUT NOW THAT WE HAVE AN ENGINEER HE WILL DO THAT. ACCESS, BEACH ACCESS 37, WERE ABOUT 50 PERCENT THROUGH RECHECKING THAT ACCESS. IT TAKES ABOUT 2 MONTHS FOR US TO DO THAT.

OUR PARKS GROUP OUR HANDYMAN. WE HAVE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF SUPERVISION.

THEY'RE DOING A GOOD JOB. HEADS UP, ALICIA, WHAT'S UP? >> TURNAROUND.

>> OH, THERE YOU GO. [LAUGHTER]. >> REALLY GOOD, TOO.

>> YOU WERE ON A ROLL. >> REPLACING THE LAMP ABOUT THE POST THAT WAS STRUCK DOWNTOWN.

WE HAD THAT REDONE AND IT'S PUT UP. WE PLANTED THE FOOTBALL POP ORDER RESTROOM WE INSTALLED SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THE PAINT HAD ALL COME OFF.

WE DID THAT WITH OUR PARKS GROUP. SO IT WAS A MINIMAL COST.

>> I PARTICULARLY LIKED YOUR MEMORIAL PARK WITH THE BENCHES. WHOEVER CAME UP WITH THAT IDEA.

>> SARAH BOOKER, SARAH BOOKER IS ONE OF OUR PART-TIME STAFF WHO IS ALSO IMPLEMENTING WITH SCOTT UPON TIM, BOSQUE BELLO THE MAPPING YOU COULD GET ON THE CITY WEBSITE AS WELL.

KUDOS TO HER AND THEY WILL BE MORE ABOUT COMING OUT WITH OTHER THINGS.

>> AWESOME, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.

[8.2 Sharepoint Page for New Member Packet]

SHAREPOINT PAGE FOR THE NEW MEMBER PACKET. >> A QUICK UPDATE I BELIEVE THIS COULD BE SOME ISSUES WITH THAT. IF YOU DON'T HAVE OFFICE 365 YOU ARE NOT GOING TO, I JUST FOUND THAT OUT TODAY. ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE TRYING TO COME UP TALK TO IT AND TRY TO GET ALL THOSE DOCUMENTS ON THEIR.

FIRST CONCERN WAS ADA REQUIREMENTS WITH ALL THE POSTINGS.

THEY HAD RECOMMENDED DOING THE SHAREPOINT DOCUMENT. THERE IS OBVIOUSLY SOME ISSUES BECAUSE WHEN I ORIGINALLY SENT THE EMAIL OUT IT DID SAY THAT SOME OF THE MEMBERS WERE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO OPEN THE FILES BECAUSE I BELIEVE YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT WHICH I JUST FOUND THAT OUT TODAY. SO, I'M WORKING WITH IT TO EITHER PUTTING ALL THOSE DOCUMENTS ON THE WEBPAGE OR SEEING WHAT THEY THINK IS THE BEST WAY TO PROCEED.

>> THANK YOU. >> JUST A QUICK UPDATE. >> WE APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS.

>> I'M TRYING.O, I WILL UPDATE YOU. UNLESS THERE'S A WAY FOR EVERYONE TO VIEW THEM WITHOUT OFFICE 365, I DON'T THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

THAT'S WHERE THE CLINCH IS. SO THEY MIGHT BE ON THE WEBSITE.

LIKE YOU REQUESTED. >> FOR MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE, WE HAVE HIGH RATE OF TURNOVER WITHIN THE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMITTEE. WE HAVE SO MANY WORKING DOCUMENTS. TO PLACE IT ALL IN ONE PLACE WITH THE WELCOME LETTER THAT HAS A LINK ON IT WHERE THEY CAN GO FIND THOSE THINGS IS REALLY HELPFUL.

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THERE IS REALLY IMPORTANT PIECES OF PAPER THAT WE NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO THAT WERE

TRYING TO GET TOGETHER. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> I WILL UPDATE YOU VIA EMAIL

AS WE PROCEED THIS MONTH ON THAT. >> THANK YOU.

[9.1 Baseball Fence Repair at Central Park/Buccaneer Field]

>> OTHER BUSINESS, 9.1 THE BATES BALL FENCE REPAIR. WE DO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE BEEN SO PATIENT TO WAIT. WE DO HAVE A SPEAKER.

MR. TOM AMERA. THANK YOU, MY NAME IS TOM CAMERA 1518 NORTH PARK DRIVE FERNANDINA EACH. THE VICE PRESIDENT OF FERNANDINA BEACH BASEBALL.

ABOUT 5 WEEKS AGO, 6 WEEKS AGO WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY WITH THE COUNCILMAN MICHAEL KEGLER TIP YOUR PARKING ESTABLISHMENT HAVE SOME UNSAFE CONDITIONS THERE.

WITH THE BATTING CAGES AND WITH THE FENCING. AS I'M AWARE THOSE FENCES OF THE ORIGINAL FENCES THAT WERE PUT UP THERE SOME 30 YEARS AGO. THE BATTING CAGES FOR REDONE PROBABLY 20 YEARS AGO. SO, IN ESSENCE WE KNEW THAT IT HAD BEEN IN THE BUDGET FOR THE LAST 3 YEARS AND DUE TO FINANCIAL IT WAS REMOVED FROM LOTS OF REASONS.

LET'S NOW COME TO PASS THAT WE NEED TO GET SOME OF THIS DONE AND I PRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN EMERGENCY OF ABOUT $25,000 TO DO THE BASIC THINGS SO WE CAN GET THROUGH THE SEASON AND WAITED UNTIL THE FINAL BUDGET IS APPROVED FOR OCTOBER FOR THE FENCING. I WAS ALSO INFORMED TODAY THAT THERE WILL BE A WALK-THROUGH ON THURSDAY BY 3 PEOPLE FROM THE CITY TO ENSURE THAT WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS WHAT WE SAW IN THE PICTURES THAT WERE SUBMITTED BY COUNCILMAN MICHAEL KEGLER.

THE MOST IMPORTANT PART IS THAT RIGHT NOW WE ARE IN THE POINT OF REGISTRATION.

WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 90 CHILDREN ALREADY SIGNED UP. BEFORE COVID-19 WE HAD ABOUT 268 KIDS IN THE PARK ON A VERY EVERYDAY BASIS. WE DON'T ANTICIPATE 268 THIS YEAR. BECAUSE OF COVID-19. BUT, WE DO ANTICIPATE PROBABLY 200 TO 250 KIDS. WHICH WOULD BE ALL CITY RESIDENTS OF NASSAU COUNTY.

THIS IS WHAT WERE REQUESTING AND HOPEFULLY I CAN GIVE YOU THE BUDGET THAT WAS GIVEN TO ME. ALSO CHECKED WITH KNITTING TODAY.

IF IT IS APPROVED FOR THE MONIES WE NEED IT COULD BE PUT INTO PLACE BY THE END OF MARCH AND WE WILL POSTPONE OUR SEASON BY 2 WEEKS. SO, INSTEAD OF OPENING ON MARCH 15 WE WOULD OPEN UP ON MARCH 30 WITH THE COMPLETION OF WHAT KNITTING HAS TO DO TO GIVE US A

SAFE PARK TO OPERATE FOR THIS COMING SEASON UNTIL OCTOBER. >> THANK OU.

NEXT I WANT TO THANK DAN AND THE PARKS AND FOR THEIR DEDICATION PUTTING OUR FIELDS TOGETHER. AND ANYTIME I'VE ASKED FOR A REQUEST THEY HAVE BEEN OUTSTANDING IN GIVING US THAT REQUEST. THEY ARE VERY RESPONSIVE TO THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY AND ALSO TO THE COMMUNITY THAT WE SERVE AND AFFECTION FOR BABE RUTH.

I WANT TO THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. I HAVE NO OTHER SPEAKERS.

MISS VOIGT WOULD YOU LIKE TO THE BJECT? EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SAID. WITH REQUESTED FUNDING FOR OVER 5 TO HAVE THIS FENCING EPAIRED.

SHOULD THE CITY COMMISSION APPROVE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S NEEDED AT THIS POINT AS

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OF COURSE ANYTHING THAT'S PROBABLY Y DONE NOW COME OCTOBER WILL BE REDONE.

ANY URGENCY I THINK AFTER THURSDAY MEETING, WE'VE HAD MEETINGS OUT THERE BEFORE WITH DIFFERENT FOLKS THAT DETERMINE YES THIS IS IN PRETTY BAD SHAPE.

I BELIEVE THE KNITTING IS HOLDING UP THE FENCING OUT HERE.

THIS IS BEEN A PROBLEM FOR 5 YEARS OR MORE. I COULDN'T TELL YOU BECAUSE IT ALL RUNS TOGETHER. THAT'S REALLY, APPRECIATE ALL THE DEAL.

>> HOW MUCH IS THE REQUEST? >> FOR OCTOBER? >> FOR THE BASEBALL FENCE

REPAIR. >> I BELIEVE IT'S 25,000 ROUGHLY I BELIEVE THE EMAIL

SAID. >> THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR RIGHT NOW AS AN EMERGENCY.

>> RIGHT. >> SO. >> IT370.

>> I SAW THAT. >> IT'S BEEN IN THERE FOR YEARS.

NOW THIS DON'T LIKE RUST. >> SOME WONDERING THIS HAS COME E UP.

WHY HAVE THOSE REPAIRS NOT BEEN MADE IN THE PAST? >> WELL.

>> IT'S A BIG TUNE OF 50,000 OFFENSE QUESTION. IS IT ONE PIECE OF IT?

>> THIS IS AREAS THAT ARE SPECIFIC APPARENTLY THAT ARE MORE OF A SAFETY ISSUE THAN THE

REST OF THE COMPLEX.>> OKAY. >> THE WHOLE COMPLEX IS IN POOR SHAPE.

>> A MODERATE LIKE THE PARKS ERECT DEPARTMENT HAS ADJUSTED OKAY, LET'S GET THIS DONE.

>> IT COST MONEY.OU HAVE TO HIRE A FENCING COMPANY. >> RIGHT, WHY WASN'T PUT IN THE

BUDGET BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T AWARE THE PROBLEM? >> LET ME SAY THIS OVER TIME.

THE CITY PARKS AND REC'S DEPARTMENT HAS REQUESTED THIS CLINIC FOR OVER THE PAST 5

YEARS AT LEAST. >> THAT'S THE BIG TUNE OF 50,000?

>> DOING ONE LITTLE SECTION WON'T HELP THE ENTIRE THING. >> UNDERSTAND.

>> SO YOU HAVEN'T BEEN FUNDED FOR THIS PROJECT. >> CORRECT.

AND WE CAN PLEASE GO HERE AND THERE AND HERE AND THERE. >> COMMISSIONER MICHAEL KEGLER

WHICH IS LIKE TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM PLEASE? >> CHRYSLER, I WANT TO CLARIFY

WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. >> BABE RUTH CAME TO THE COMMISSION PERCENT OF THE DATA.

HISTORY IS HISTORY. THERE'S $300,000 PLUS AN EXTRA'S CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. THE CITY COMMISSION MEETING THE ISSUE WAS BROUGHT UP OF SAFETY.

AND THERE ARE SOME CONCERNS. THE CITY ATTORNEY SPECIFICALLY THAT'S WHO'S GOING OUT THERE THURSDAY ALONG WITH SOME OTHER PEOPLE AND LIABILITY ISSUE. WHAT SHE SEES, DECISIONS WILL BE MADE THAT ARE APPROPRIATE TO THE SAFETY ISSUE THERE. AS FAR AS THE REQUEST THE CITY HAS NOT ACTED ON THAT REQUEST. I JUST TALKED TO THE CITY ATTORNEY TONIGHT.

SHE'S GOING OUT WITH 2 MAINTENANCE PEOPLE ON THURSDAY. AND THEN THE COME BACK.

I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND HOW THINGS GET DEFERRED.

WHEN YOU GET REAL BOARD AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO I'D BE HAPPY TO COME AND TALK ABOUT

THAT. [LAUGHTER]. >> THANK YOU.

>> LET ME FINISH MY QUESTION. IS THIS EVEN SOMETHING WE NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN?

THE CITY ATTORNEY HAD TO OTHER PEOPLE? >> NO, I DON'T THANK YOU NEED TO BE INVOLVED. WERE GOING TO HAVE THE INFORMATION.

I THANK YOU NEED TO BE INVOLVED PROBABLY ABOUT 2 YEARS AGO. >> I THINK WHAT WERE DEALING WITH HERE IS COMMISSIONER KRIEGER SAID IS A SAFETY ISSUE. IF THIS COMMITTEE DECIDED TO DO ANYTHING AT ALL ETHICALLY WORTHWHILE TO SAY YES WE WOULD APPROVE THE EXPENDITURE OF $25,000 IF THERE IS AN ISSUE OF SAFETY. AND, THAT WOULD BE MY PROPOSAL BUT OTHERS ON THIS COMMITTEE MAY NOT HAVE THAT VIEW. MS. LAJOUX.

QUITE GREAT MINDS THE LIGHT. SHOULD HAVE A MOTION AND ABOUT TO EXPRESS OUR SUPPORT OF THE ORTANCE OF THE SPORTS SAFETY INFRASTRUCTURE AND BASICALLY GIVE SUPPORT FOR THIS FOR THE

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REQUEST. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS COULD YOU TAKE THE PODIUM PLEASE.

>> THIS WOULD BE A MOOD POINT. THIS WAS IN THE BUDGET, IT'S BEEN IN THE BUDGET THE LAST 3 YEARS.AS TAKEN OUT LAST TIME GET A BUDGET MEETING. TO THE CITY COMMISSIONERS WANTED TO GO TO THE ROLLBACK RATE SO TO GET TO THAT ADJUSTED ROLLBACK RATE THIS WAS TAKEN OUT OF THE BUDGET. THAT'S WHY IT WASN'T DONE. AT THIS POINT IF YOU'RE GOING TO PROVE THAT I'D ASK YOU TO DO ONE OTHER THING. THOUGHTS TELL US WHAT 25,000 OR THING THAT YOU WANT TO TAKE AWAY THAT WERE FUNDING. IF YOU FIND ONE THING THAT COMES FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO, IT'S GREAT, IT'S APPROPRIATE BUT, WHAT DO YOU

WANT TO TAKE OUT OF THE BUDGET FOR THE $25,000? >> THANK YOU.

WISH LAJOUX. >> HOW ABOUT ONETHE WATERPARK PLANT EQUATE.

>> WERE NOT GOING INTO THER ISSUE. WE ARE TO O REMAIN ON FOCUS

WITH THE TASK AT HAND. >> HAVE A QUESTION. IS THERE ANY OTHER SOURCE OF REVENUE IN TERMS OF GRANTS, FUNDRAISING OR ANY OTHER SOMETHING THAT COULD HELP OFFSET THE COST? I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE OUT THERE?

>> I GUESS AT THIS POINT, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SUBJECTS THAT WE NEED TO START DEALING WITH AS A COMMITTEE. THE COUNTY, WE PAINT MONEY TO THE COUNTY.

THEY HAVE A RECREATION DEPARTMENT. WE RECEIVED NO MONEY FROM THE COUNTY TO SUPPLY SOME OF THE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE FOR RECREATION.

NONE. AT SOME POINT WE NEED TO START ASKING GROUPS, HAVE YOU BEEN TO NASSAU COUNTY YET. THE CITY IS IN SOUTH COUNTY. AND WE NEED TO START ASKING EVERY SINGLE TIME HAVE YOU BEEN TO NASSAU COUNTY FIRST. AND WE USUALLY, THE RESPONSE USUALLY GET IS THERE NOT JUST BY THE MONEY. I'M LIKE, OKAY.

SO THE DECISIONS OF THIS GROUP NEEDS TO MAKE AS ARE WE GOING TO FUND THIS, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO FUND IT. AND IS IT GOING TO BE FOR SAFETY REASONS? I OPEN IT TO DISCUSSION ON THAT. YES MISS LAJOUX?

>> I FEEL THE URGENCY BECAUSE OF BASEBALL SEASON. WERE TALKING 200 KIDS IN MANY THAT LIVED IN THE CITY. IF THEY DON'T PARTICIPATE IN UPCOMING GAMES BECAUSE OF STATISTICS WILL BE THROWN OFF. ALL KINDS OF INVOLVEMENTS WITH SPORTS WILL BE THROWN OFF.

FAMILIES WILL BE THROWN OFF. I FEEL THIS IS AN EMERGENCY. WE MUST KEEP UP THE URGENCY.

WE CAN THINK ABOUT SOME FUTURE GRANT FUTURE COUNTY FUNDING. THE CITY PROBABLY HAS A CASH SOMEWHERE. LET'S START WITHOUT AND THEN EVERYTHING WILL FALL INTO

PLACE. >> ANYONE E ELSE. >> YES, JUST ONE QUESTION.

I'M NOT QUITE SURE UNDERSTAND WITH THE MECHANICS OF THIS ARE TERMS OF THE COMMISSIONER PROCESS POINT. WHAT WILL YOU TAKE AWAY IF YOU RECOMMEND TO FUND THIS.

IF IT'S DETERMINED THAT THIS IS A SAFETY ISSUE IN THE CITY COMMISSION SAYS YES AND TO

RECOMMEND YES, WHERE DOES MONEY COME FROM? >> ALL RIGHT.

WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE POSE A MOTION. YES MISS LAJOUX.

>> IF THIS PARKS AND RECREATION.

>> TO MY HAIR SECOND? >> I SECOND THAT MOTION. >> DISCUSSION?

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>> I DON'T THINK WERE NECESSARILY A POSITION TO TELL THE CITY COMMISSION HOW TO START RECOMMENDING HOW TO SPAMMING. I DON'T DISAGREE.

THE CITIES COULD MAKE THAT DECISION ON THEIR OWN. I DON'T SEE THAT'S OUR DECISION.HEY'RE GOING TO DO IT FOR INSURANCE PROCESSES AND LIABILITY.

THEY'RE GOING HAVE TO FIX WHATEVER THEY HAVE TO FIX. I JUST DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE TELLING, I MEAN I THINK IT'S AN AREA WE MAY NOT WANT TO STRAY INTO.

WE HAVEN'T BEEN ASKED FOR AN OPINION. WE REALLY HAVEN'T BEEN ASKED FOR AN OPINION. BUT, THEY'RE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO.

I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU HAVE AN OPTION. IF IT'S A LIABILITY YOU NEED TO

DO WE HAVE TO DO. IN FIGURE IT OUT, RIGHT? >> IF THE SITUATION IS THAT IT'S A ZERO-SUM GAME. WE'VE GOT TO STAND $25,000 TO AVOID LIABILITY.

VERSUS SOME WERE GONNA LOSE $25,000, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT IT IS.

IN THE BUSINESS WORLD MAKING THESE ASSESSMENTS WE WAIVE THE RISK VERSUS LIABILITY VERSUS THE PROBABILITY THAT SOMETHING BAD MAY HAPPEN. AND THE WORST OUTCOME THAT COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN . THEIR PEOPLE THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE GOING THERE TOMORROW TO LOOK AT THIS. LET THEM FIGURE IT OUT. I THINK WERE OUTSIDE OF OUR

REALM. >> THAT'S MY COMMENTS. GIVE A MOTION IN A SECOND.

>> THAT WE DO. >> MISS BROWN WHAT YOU READ US THE MOTION PLEASE.

>> ONCE AGAIN THIS IS GOING TO BE OUTLIVED. >> WE APPRECIATE IT.

>> MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS THAT SUPPORT FOR RECOMMENDATION SUPPORT OF YOUTH SPORTS AND SAFETY AND RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COMMISSION THAT WE SUPPORT THE FINDING OF THIS ROJECT.

>> I'M GOOD. >> I GUESS I HAVE TO VOTE NUMBER.

>> ROBERTS? >> YES. >> RELUCTANTLY HAVE TO VOTE

NUMBER. >> VICE CHAIR PUGH? >> NORSE?

>> NUMBER. >> MEMBER LAJOUX? >> >> SO.

>>ONE THING I LIKE TO ADD TO THAT IS WITHHELD. THE DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN YOU'RE NOT GOING BACK. IT JUST MEANS WERE NOT GONNA DEAL WITH THAT IGHT? > WE ARE OUT OF OUR REALM. AND SO WHAT I CAUGHT YES. BUT, I I CAN'T.

I'M SURE THE COMMISSION WILL TILTED AND THEY WILL DO WHAT THEY HAVE TO THANK YOU FOR

COMING AND TALK TO US. >> YOUR PATIENT. >> VERY PATIENT.

>> OTHER BUSINESS. THE FINAL WELCOME LETTER. FOR THE NEW MEMBERS.

I THINK THAT GOT LOST IN THE SHUFFLE. SO ON THE NEXT AGENDA COULD BE

HAVE THAT PUT BACK ON. >> I THOUGHT WE CORRECTED IT. >> WE DID.

IT WAS SENT OUT BUT IT WASN'T PUT ON THE AGENDA. SO, WILL TRY TO DO THAT.

NYONE ELSE WANT ANYTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT MONTH? >> WE WILL ALSO SEND OUT AN

EMAIL REMINDING, REQUESTING STUFF TO BE ON THE AGENDA. >> I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION, DO WE HAVE A DATE YET THE WORK PLAN PRESENTATION TO THE COMMISSION?

>> YES. IT IS AT THE NEXT CITY COMMISSION MEETING.

IT IS NEXT TUESDAY. IT INCORPORATED ALL OF THE THINGS THAT THIS COMMITTEE

SHARED. >> INCLUDED THE MASTER PLANS. >> YES.

YOUR BUT THIS COMMITTEE DID TO RECOMMEND ON THE MASTER PLAN. >> ARE YOU PRESENTING THAT MAN?

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>> NO, I AM. MS. NAN VOIT IF YOU WILL SEND THE SLIDES OUT.

THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL. >> I'LL BE HERE TOO. >> THANK YOU.NY COMMENTS?

LOOKS NO, JUST A THOUGHT. >> ARE THERE ANY OTHER

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