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2021, CITY COMMISSION WORK SHOP. CITY CLERK, IF YOU COULD CALL
THE ROLL, PLEASE. >> SO, JUST A FEW POINTS OF ORDER, ONE WE'RE UNDER OUR C.D.C. GUIDELINES, WITH MASKS.
SO IF YOU COULD KEEP YOUR MASKS FULLY ON. THAT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. THERE'S NO STANDING, SO IF WE COULD BE SEATED WITH YOUR SOCIAL DISTANCING, THAT WILL BE GREAT.
AND ALSO, PUBLIC WORKSHOP THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT. SO THAT WILL BE THE ORDER OF THE DAY. COMMISSIONERS IN LOOKING AT THE AGENDA, THE WATERFRONT PARK IS FIRST. VICE MAYOR
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KREGER, YOU COULD SEE. WE'LL START WITH 3.3, OCEAN HIGHWAY AND PORT AUTHORITY. THIS ITEM WAS PLACED ON THE AGENDA AT THEREQUEST OF COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> PORT AUTHORITY MEETING IS A WEEK FROM TOMORROW. AND YOU'RE ALL INVITED TO COME. AND WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR THE INTERLOPE THAT THEIR PREVIOUS ATTORNEY WAS SUPPOSED TO WRITE BUT APPARENTLY DID NOT. WAITING FOR A REPLY FOR FROM A LETTER THAT OUR ATTORNEY SEPTEMBER TO THEIR ATTORNEY. AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO TAKE CARE OF THAT BY THE END OF THE MONTH BEFORE THEY SWITCHED ATTORNEYS AND THEY HAVE
NOT. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS, IS THAT
THEIR REGULAR MONTHLY MEETING? >> IT'S THE SAME MEETING, SAME NIGHT AS THE PLANNING BOARD, YES.
>> AND YOU SAID THAT'S TOMORROW?
>> I SAID A WEEK FROM TOMORROW. >> THAT'S PROBABLY WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR. A WEEK FROM TOMORROW. OKAY. THANK YOU,
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>> AGENDA ITEM 3.1 AM MEALIA RIVER WATERFRONT PARK. I PLACED THIS ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE OUR DEADLINE IS FEBRUARY 16TH TO APPROVE THE ELEMENTS. CITY MANAGER, CAN YOU PUT THAT GRAPHIC UP FOR ME, PLEASE. THESE FOUR SLIDES WERE PROVIDED TO EVERYONE LAST FRIDAY. THANK YOU. SO THAT'S PHASE ONE. OF WHICH THERE ARE TWO PARTS. 1 A AND 1-B BECAUSE YOUR PLAN IS TO START ON THE SOUTH END. SO CITY MANAGER IF YOU COULD GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF THIS THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.
>> THANK YOU, WHAT IS ON THE SCREEN IS PART OF THE CONCEPTUAL SKETCH PREPARED BY LATTIMER. WE HAD A COMMUNITY OPEN FOR DAYS AND SHARED THAT PUBLIC COMMENT WITH YOU, THEY TOOK YOUR COMMENTS IN ADDITION TO PUBLIC COMMENTS AND REVISED THE PLAN TO WHAT IS SHOWN HERE RIGHT NOW. THIS IS CONCEPTUAL, SO THE KEY COMPONENTS OF THE SOUTH PART OF THIS PARK. WHAT COMMONLY REFERRED TO IS PARKING LOT C AND D, EVERYTHING FROM BOOT RAMP SOUTH, ARE THE BOARD WALK, THE LIVING SHORELINE, AN EVENT LAWN, AN OBSERVATION DECK, A BAND SHELL AND POTENTIAL RETAIL SITES. NO MORE THAN TWO. SO, HOW THIS IS BROUGHT FORWARD TO YOU, AND THERE WAS SOME PROPOSED COST ASSOCIATED WITH THESE PROVIDED BY THE CONSULTANT AS WELL. STAFF'S LOOKED AT THOSE COSTS AND BELIEVES THAT WE CAN REDUCE SOME COSTS. WE HAVE A LOT. AND THERE ARE SOME COMPONENTS WE ALREADY HAVE IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET TO MOVE FORWARD IT. TO HIGHLIGHT. I DID PROVIDE YOU AND YOU HAD A DOCUMENT SENT TO YOU THIS
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EVENING THAT LISTS SOME HISTORICALLY WATERFRONT PLANNING BASIC GUIDELINES. THERE ARE 20 GUIDELINES HERE AND I THINK YOU WILL AGREE THAT WHEN YOU READ THEM, AN OVERWELMING MAJORITY OF THEM ARE MET. THERE'S 20 AND ABOUT 17 OR 18 OF THOSE GUIDELINES ARE MET. AND I CAN REVIEW ALL 20 WITH YOU.COORDINATE THE SHORELINE RESILIENCY DESIGN WITH THE PARK DESIGN. TWO, BALANCE THE NEEDS OF THE PARK, RECREATION, THE COMMERCIAL INTEREST AND THE OPERATIONAL AND FINANCIAL NEEDS.
I THINK THAT'S ADDRESSED AS WELL, WITH SOME RETAIL PROVIDING SUPPORT FOR THE MARINA OPERATIONS. BALANCE THE ENGINEERS DESIGN AND HUMAN FACTORS TO ENSURE THE PARK IS PEDESTRIAN-FRIENDLY. I THINK THAT GUIDELINE IS MET.
ACCOMMODATE AND EXPAND WHERE POSSIBLE A WORKING WATERFRONT AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT A WORKING WATERFRONT IS NOT NECESSARILY IN CONFLICT WITH THE PARK. THERE CAN BE BOTH A PARK AND A WATERFRONT. THERE'S NOTHING AT ALL TODAY THAT'S PREVENTING SHRIMPING FLEET FROM DOCKING AT THE MARINA. 5, INCORPORATE CIA GUIDELINES. MAINTAIN VIEWS AND PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE WATER.
THAT'S MET. CREATE A SENSE OF PLACE ALONG THE WATER'S EDGE.
THAT'S MET. MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF FERANDINA, IN THE ESTABLISHMENT AND DOWNTOWN. SIX, RETAIN A SENSE OF FAMILIARITY AND AVOID A DESIGN THAT SEEMS TOO NEW OR TOO MODERN. WHEN WE RESTORE THE RESILIENCY, THE BOARDWALK WHICH IS THERE WILL BE REPLACED. IT MAY BE A DIFFERENT COMPONENT OR COMPOSITE MATERIAL, IT COULD BE CONCRETE, BUT IT WILL BE FAMILIAR AND PRETTY MUCH CLOSE TO THE SAME PLACE THAT IT IS.
EIGHT, OR NO, 7, AVOID THE COST OF DEMOLISH EVERYTHING AND START OVER APPROACH. UPGRADED AND OR REPURPOSED.
>> I THINK THAT'S BEEN THE CRITICAL PROBLEM FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS IS THAT WE KEEP WANTING TO DEMOLISH EVERYTHING AND START OVER. I THINK IT WAS BROUGHT UP IN PREVIOUS VISIONING SESSIONS, HOW LARGE IS THE STACK OF WATERFRONT PLANS? I'M SURE THERE'S PEOPLE THAT WANT TO DEMOLISH EVERYTHING AND START ALL OVER AGAIN. EXTEND THE URBAN SCALE AND CHARACTER OF DOWNTOWN INTO THE PARK. THE PARK SHOULD FEEL LIKE A GREEN EXTENSION OF DOWNTOWN. I THINK THAT'S A CRITICAL COMPONENT THAT WAS CAPTURED IN THEIR REVISION FROM THE ORIGINAL RADIAL DESIGN TO INCORPORATING THE GRID-STYLE IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE PARK. REQUIRE NO NET LOSS OF PARKING. LOCATE PARKING ALONG FRONT STREET AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AND DISTRIBUTE IT EQUITABLY.
WE'RE WELL AWARE OF THE FACT THERE ARE SEVERAL CONCERNS ABOUT PARKING. FOR THE FIRST PHASE, PARKING WILL NOT BE IMPACTED. I ALSO PROVIDED YOU A DOCUMENT THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PREPARED BY A RESIDENT AT THE REQUEST OF COMMISSIONER ROSS THAT INDICATES HOW MUCH PARKING EXISTS DOWNTOWN TODAY. AND THAT LIST, WHICH YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, DETAILED BLOCK BY BLOCK SHOWS THERE ARE OVER 1200 PARKING SPOTS IN THE IMMEDIATE VACINITY OF DOWNTOWN.
WE HAVE ROUGHLY, CLOSE TO OVER 1300 PARKING SPACES EXISTING DOWNTOWN RIGHT NOW. TEN, IF A PERFORMANCE VENUE IS INCLUDED BE SURE IT DOES NOT OVERWELM THE SPACE, DROWN OUT OTHER ATTRACTIONS OR EXCEED CAPACITY. I'M WORKING PRIVATE INVESTORS TO HAVE THAT FACILITY FUNDED THROUGH PRIVATE INVESTMENT ALONE. HOW THAT IS SEN SUBSEQUENTLY DESIGNED AND POSITIONED, WILL IN TURN DICTATE HOW WE COULD FIGURE THE PARKING DOWN AT THAT END. THE BAND SHELL AS SHOWN HERE MAY ACTUALLY MOVE CLOSER TO THE RIVER AND ALLOW FOR MORE PARKING OR
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REENHANCED PARKING. BUT UNTIL THAT DESIGN ELEMENT MOVES FORWARD WHICH WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR AT THIS TIME, THE PARKING IS NOT TOUCHED. 11, TO MAKE EFFICIENT USE OF LIMITED SPACE MAKE A NEW PUBLIC PARK BUILDINGS MULTIPURPOSE IF POSSIBLE. AS INDICATED IN THE BAND SHELL, THAT WILL ALSO HAVE RESTROOM IT IS TO SUPPORT THE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AT THE SOUTH END.INCORPORATE RENTABLE EVENT SPACE, THAT'S THE BAND SHELL, THE EVENT LAWN, THE COURTS. BASIC LOCATION OF WALKWAYS ON OBSERVE PEDESTRIAN FLOW. AVOID CREATING UNNECESSARY WALKWAYS THAT REDUCE GREEN SPACE NET COST. AGAIN, THE ORIGINAL PLAN PRESENTED HAD THE RADIAL DESIGN, THAT'S BEEN ELIMINATED. THERE IS THE PEDESTRIAN FLOW THROUGHOUT THE PARK. INCLUDE A SHORE LINE WALKWAY THAT GOES ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE PARK.
THAT'S INCLUDED. INCLUDE A WALKWAY IN PART C AND D. AS INDICATED ON THIS PLAN, THE WATERFRONT WALKWAY GOES ALONG THE WATERFRONT AND TURNS BACK TO THE EAST AT THE SOUTHERN END CREATING THE LOOP THAT'S INDICATED IN THESE GUIDELINES.
INCLUDE HISTORIC INFORMATION ABOUT THE WATERFRONT. THE INTENT IS TO MOVE THE SHRIMP MONUMENT TO THE SOUTH END WHERE THERE'S A MORE VISIBLE LOCATION OF THE SHRIMP BOATS. SO IT WILL HAVE HISTORIC REFERENCE. MAKE ASH STREET QUARTERS UNOBSTRUCTED. THAT WILL BE THE PLACE, MOST LIKELY, ATLANTIC SEAFOOD WILL HAVE TO BE FURTHER LOCATED TO THE SOUTH. ENTER GRATE THE RAIL CROSSING INTO THE PARK DESIGN. THAT'S INCORPORATED AT THE NORTH END, RIGHT NOW THE FOCUS IS ON THE SOUTH END. MAINTAIN THE TREES. I BELIEVE EVERY EFFORT WILL BE TO MAINTAIN THE TREES. WE'LL HAVE TO MINIMIZE THE ADDITION OF TREES, BUT THE PLAN IS TO REMAIN AS MANY MATURE TREES AS POSSIBLE. AND FINALLY, ACCOMMODATE SPECIAL EVENTS SUCH AS THE SHRIMP FESTIVAL, AND THE RODEOS, ALL THOSE EVENTS MAKE USE OF THE STAGE AND BAND SHELL, SO THIS DESIGN DOES PROVIDE FOR ACCOMMODATION OF THOSE EVENTS. SO I THINK AS PRESENTED TO YOU, THE BASIC PARK GUIDELINES, I THINK THE PLAN DOES A REMARKABLE JOB OF MEETING NEARLY ALL OF THE PARK GUIDELINES DEVELOPED YEARS AGO. SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO AND IT'S ON THE NEXT AGENDA AS MAYOR LEDNOVICH INDICATED TO FORMALLILY APPROVE IT FOR NEXT MEETING, ASK FOR YOUR AUTHORIZATION TO PROCEED WITH THE DESIGN AND SOLICITATION OF BIDS ON THREE AND ONLY THREE COMPONENTS, THE RESILIENCY COMPONENT, THE BOARDWALK, THE NORTHERN END WILL FALL INTO PLACE, PARKING LOTS A AND B WILL FALL IN TO PLACE WHEN WE PUT THE NEW SIGNALS IN AT ASH AND CENTER STREET. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS CAN YOU CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION BUT NOT ASKING FOR A COMMITMENT ON ANY PART OF THE PLAN OTHER THAN THOSE THREE COMPONENTS I JUST MENTIONED.
THE RESILIENCY, THE BOARD WALK AND THE COURTS.
>> SO WE HAVE A LITTLE STRUCTURE, ARE WE GOOD WITH FIRST OF ALL DISCUSSING THE ELEMENTS? SO, I HAVE ONE NOD OF THE HEAD. I HAVE TWO. OKAY. SO, GET CONSENSUS ON THE ELEMENTS. AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SOUTH PART OF THE PARK AND ONLY THAT? WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ENTIRETY OF
THE ENTIRE PROJECT? >> CORRECT.
>> GOOD. OKAY. VICE MAYOR. >> RIGHT, I ACTUALLY THOUGHT THAT WE PRETTY MUCH AGREED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PARKING LOT C AND D, THE ELEMENTS SHORE LINE STABILIZATION, LIVING SHORE LINE, THE BOARDWALK AND THE COURTS AND THE ENGINEER IS READY TO GO TO BID FROM WHAT I BELIEVE HE SAID. AND WE HAVE THE MONEY.
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SO, WE ACTUALLY, SO I CONCUR WITH THAT FOR SURE THAT WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. WE COULD TALK ABOUT THE SHORELINE STABILIZATION AND VULNERABLE AREAS LATER AS WE>> YEAH, I'M GOOD. >> COMMISSIONER STURGES?
>> MY QUESTION IS WE HAVE THE MONEY FOR THE RESILIENCY BARRIER
ON THE SOUTH END. >> RIGHT NOW THE MONEY ALLOCATED, WE HAVE $500,000 WHICH IS A GRANT, $250,000 FROM THE CITY AND MATCHING $250,000 FROM THE GRANT, THAT MONEY HAS BEEN AWARDED. THAT COULD BE USED. PART OF THE BOARDWALK IS THE RESILIENCY COMPONENT AS WELL. IT COULD BE USED FOR THE FOUNDATION OF THE PROPOSED BOARDWALK. THAT'S $500,000. WE ALSO HAVE $300,000 IN THE PARKS AND REC IMPACT FEES TO HELP ASSIST WITH THE BOARDWALK OR THE COURTS. SO WE HAVE IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET ALREADY APPROXIMATELY $800,000 TOWARDS
THE PARK COMPONENTS. >> I DON'T SEE HOW IT'S ALL GOING TO GET DONE FOR THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY, $800,000, BUT IT'S A POSSIBILITY THAT THE COURTS WILL NOT COST A LOT OR THE RESILIENCY BARRIER WALL WILL BE THE MOST EXPENSIVE THING IN
MY MIND. >> AND I THINK WE'LL LEARN MORE ABOUT THAT WORKING WITH MR. GEORGE, THE CITY ENGINEER IS THAT THAT WILL BE PART OF THE BID PROCESS. ONCE WE FINALIZE THE DESIGN, PUT IT OUT FOR BIDS AND SEE WHAT THE COST IS FOR
THOSE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS. >> SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT AREA WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THIS IS THE RESILIENCY? DO I HAVE THIS
>> KEEP GOING. >> ALL THE WAY HERE?
>> KEEP GOING. >> THERE YOU GO.
>> BUT THIS IS NOT, THAT IS NOT, THIS PART OF THE BOARDWALK
>> THIS PART IS? >> YES IT IS, THAT'S WHY I'M
DOING THIS. >> AND THIS IS NOT?
>> CORRECT. >> AND THIS IS NOT?
>> CORRECT. THE OBSERVATION DECK PART OF PLAN PHASE B?
>> THAT WILL BE PART OF THE DESIGN AND I THINK WHAT WE'LL PROBABLY DO AS BID THAT AS PART OF THE BOARDWALK AS A BID ADDITIVE AND IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO BUILD OUT OTHER FEATURES HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THE RESILIENCY, WE CAN INCORPORATE THAT AS AN
ADDITITIVE. >> SO I HAVE VICE MAYOR?
>> THERE'S ALSO $500,000 RESILIENCY GRANT WHICH WE HOPE TO GET. AND THERE'S ALSO $125,000 REMAINING FROM THE STATE 2018 SHORE LINE STABILIZATION FOR THAT AREA.
SO, IF WE GET THE GRANT, AND I'M PRETTY CONFIDENT WE'LL GET THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY CLOSE TO $1.5 MILLION AVAILABLE. IF WE DON'T GET THE GRANT, WE'LL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> I WOULD, AS AN INITIAL BEGINNING TO THE RESILIENCY AND BOARDWALK ALONG THERE AND THE COURT ARE PROBABLY LESS THAN $25,000. AND LEAVE THE PARKING LOT THE WAY IT IS. YOU'RE NOT PUTTING ANY FILL IN. IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWINGS THAT YOU WERE PUTTING IN THOUSANDS OF HUNDREDS OF CUBIC YARDS OF FILL. SO, HOW THE REST OF THIS WILL WORK OUT DEPENDS ON THE DRAWINGS THAT COME OUT OF ENGINEERING FOR THE RESILIENCY OF THE BOARDWALK. SO.
>> SO I WOULD ADVOCATE DOING EXACTLY WHAT THE CITY MANAGER
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR, I AGREE THAT THE NEXT STEP IS TO GET THE BID OUT. I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW MUCH THIS WOULD ACTUALLY COST.
THAT WILL HELP KNOW IF WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY, AND IF WE'RE READY TO MOVE NOW OR WHAT OUR NEXT STEP IS. LET'S SEE THAT AND I'M
READY TO TAKE IT TO BID. >> OKAY SO MY QUESTION WAS, PART OF PHASE 1-A IS THE OBSERVATION DECK. AND YOU COULD SEE HOW IT HORSE SHOES AROUND HERE. DALE DOES IT ALSO HORSE
SHOE THIS WAY? >> WE YES, IT'S UNDER THOSE
TREES. >> OKAY. SO THIS ELEMENT, ACCORDING TO MARQUESE WAS HALF A MILLION DOLLAR. DO WE WANT THE
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OBSERVATION DECK, DO WE NOT WANT IT, CAN WITH HE DO IT CHEAPER, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, COMMISSIONER BEAN.>> LET'S JUST SAY GIVEN A PERFECT WORLD WHERE EVERYTHING IS FREE, I WOULD SAY IT'S BETTER TO HAVE THAT OBSERVATION DECK THAN TO NOT. GIVEN THAT THERE'S NO COST. BUT WHAT WE DON'T KNOW IS ENTIRELY WHAT THE EXACT COST OF THAT OBSERVATION DECK IS.
THE INFLUENCE OF MY DECISION WOULD BE THE EXACT COST OF IT BASED ON THE BID THAT WE WOULD RECEIVE. BEFORE I CAN COMMENT WETHER OR NOT WE COULD SEE THE DECK, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE BID
FOR THE DECK FIRST. >> VICE MAYOR?
>> I AGREE, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST AND THERE'S BEEN A QUESTION OF THE VALIDITY OF THE NUMBERS AND ONCE YOU PUT A NUMBER ON IT, IT'S CRAZY. THERE'S WAYS WE COULD PUT IT AND LEAVE IT UP TO STAFF WITH A BID PROCESS. IT COULD BE PUT ON AS AN ALTERNATE. I KNOW IT COULD GET MUDDY AT TIMES, BUT WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO COULD DO THOSE THINGS AND WE DETERMINE BASED ON THE MONEY WHAT WE GOT AND WHAT WE CAN AFFORD TO DO.
>> COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> ALL RIGHT. THIS OBSERVATION DECK, IF YOU LOOK AT A CROSS SECTION, THIS IS BUILT AS A BOWL IN HERE. OKAY. AND THE WAY THIS WAS -- IF YOU LOOK AT THE DRAWINGS, THE WAY THEY ARE, THERE'S A BOWL IN HERE AND TO DO THIS, YOU HAVE TO PUT IN HUNDREDS OF CUBIC YARDS OF FILL TO PUSH THIS UP. I'M OPPOSED TO DOING THAT. THIS SHOULD BE JUST LEFT FLAT. IF YOU WANT TO PUT AN OBSERVATION DECK HERE, WHICH I WOULD BUILD ALL THIS FIRST AND SEE HOW IT IS, BEFORE WE EVEN START MESSING AROUND WITH AN OBSERVATION DECK AND SEE HOW WE LIKE ALL THIS. AND THEN GO FROM THERE. I'M OPPOSED TO THIS BOWL CONCEPT WHERE YOU GOT TO PUT IN HUNDREDS OF CUBIC YARDS OF FILL AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE YOU COULD DO THAT UNDER OUR FLOOD ORDINANCE. SO I WOULD URGE THAT WE DO THIS PART RIGHT HERE, YOU COULD LOOK AT PUTTING A POTENTIAL RETAIL HERE, THAT BUILDING 231 STREET, THERE'S PEOPLE WORKING ON THAT. AND THEY MAY COME IN WITH A PRIVATE PUBLIC PROPOSAL. AND THE REST OF IT, JUST BUILD IT AND SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND GO FROM THERE. I WOULD NOT SPEND THE MONEY RIGHT NOW TO DO DRAWINGS OR ANYTHING ELSE FOR BIDDING. YOU'RE TALKING A LOT OF MONEY TO BID THIS, BUILD THIS OUT, SEE WHERE WE ARE, AND GO FROM THERE AND LEAVE ALL THIS FLAT AND NOT MAKE THIS INTO A BOWL. THOSE
ARE MY THOUGHTS. >> THANK YOU, SIR.
>> WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE, CITY MANAGER TO MAKE THAT OBSERVATION
DECK PART OF PHASE B? >> YES, SIR. WHEN I STARTED CRAFTING THE RESOLUTION FOR NEXT WEEK DOES NOT INCLUDE THE OBSERVATION DECK. THE INTENT IS THAT WE'LL INCLUDE THE BOARDWALK, ABOVE THE RESILIENCY COMPONENT. AND IF WE WANT THAT AS AN ADDITITIVE. TO PUT WORDS IN COMMISSIONER ROSS' MOUTH, WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT FILLING AND CREATING A BOWL. THE OBSERVATION DECK DID RECEIVE HIGH RATINGS ON THE PUBLIC COMMUNITY HUB. BUT IS THERE A DIFFERENT WAY, AND THAT'S WHERE I'LL WORK WITH MR. GEORGE, IS THERE A DIFFERENT WAY OF CREATING AN OBSERVATION DECK THAN THE USE OF FILL. AND I THINK STAFF CAN LOOK AT THAT AND PROVIDE ALTERNATIVES.
>> OKAY. SO THE SECOND PART OF THIS IN MY MIND AND SEE IF YOU AGREE, IS WHOSE GOING TO DESIGN THIS? ARE WE STAYING WITH MARQUESE TO CONTINUE THE DESIGN? ARE WE GOING TO TURN TO THE CITY TO DO THE DESIGN, THE DESIGN COSTS FROM MARQUESE DESIGN COST WERE $300,000 PLUS, FOR THE ENTIRE PROJECT?
>> RIGHT NOW, CASTRO IS DESIGNING THE RESILIENCY AND BOARDWALKS. SO, I WOULD SAY, THAT JUST GO WITH CASSERO RIGHT NOW. HAVE THEM COME IN WITH FINAL ENGINEERING DRAWINGS WHICH WILL INCLUDE THE RESILIENCY AND BOARDWALK AND THAT'S ALL WE NEED
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TO DO. >> THEY SAID THEY'RE READY TO GO AND IT'S PAID FOR. THEY'RE READY TO GO TO BID. THEY SAID THAT LAST NIGHT. BUT WHATEVER, I AGREE, MOVE FORWARD. YOU
KNOW, WITH THAT. YES. >> DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT,
COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> OUR ENGINEERS IS SHAKING HIS HEAD THAT THEY DON'T HAVE FINAL ENGINEER DRAWING.
>> WE AGREE ON THE RESILIENCY, THE BOARDWALK AND THE COURT. WE AGREE THAT CASERO WILL BE DOING THE CASER AND ORIGIN NEAR. ARE WE GOOD ON PHASE ONE. AS LONG AS WE HAVE TIME. LET'S TALK ABOU ABOUT THE PHASE B COMMISSIONER
ROSS. >> WE CAN SIT HERE AND TALK ABOUT IT, BUT UNTIL YOU HAVE ENGINEERING DRAWINGS FROM WHAT THE STREETSCAPE'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND YOU KNOW THAT YOU'RE BUYING THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY BECOMES A PART OF THE CITY, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY UTILITY IN TALKING ABOUT IT, BECAUSE WE'RE SPECULATING ON WHAT'S AVAILABLE. I MEAN, WE'RE HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT IT BUT IT'S JUST SPECULATION BECAUSE WITHOUT THE DRAWINGS THAT SHOW HOW ASH STREET AND CENTER STREET WILL BE
LAID OUT. I WOULD DELAY THAT. >> CITY MANAGER -- I'M SORRY,
VICE MAYOR AND CITY MANAGER. >> THE PROPERTY FOR THAT WHOLE ISSUE, AND UNTIL THAT'S RESOLVED AND WE ACTUALLY DID SET GOALS
WHEN THAT'S RESOLVED. >> JUST FOUR CLARITY, MY INTENTION WAS TO TALK ABOUT THESE ELEMENTS. THAT'S ATLANTIC
SEAFOOD CORRECT? >> TO SERVE THE SAME AS
ATLANTIC SEASEAFOOD. >> THIS AREA, IS THIS THE ONLY PLACE WHERE THE 231 BUILDING CAN GO?
>> 231 CAN GO ANYWHERE THAT YOU GOT 40/40 FEET. THE PRIME PLACES TO PUT IT IS A LITTLE SOUTH OF THE POTENTIAL RETAIL.
BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT THAT'S PREMATURE, AND WE COULD SEE IF SOMEONE COMES IN WITH A PROPOSAL TO WORK THAT OUT. AND SOMETHING ALSO HAS TO BE WORKED OUT WITH ATLANTIC SEAFOOD.
>> THIS AREA OVER HERE WAS THE INFORMAL PLAYER RIGHT IN HERE?
>> CORRECT. >> WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT IS WHAT ARE YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT THESE ELEMENTS GOING FORWARD WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS EXERCISE. SO, COMMISSIONER ROSS?
>> MY FEELINGS ABOUT THESE ELEMENT ARE WAIT UNTIL WE GET THIS BUILT AND LET'S SEE WHAT WE'VE GOT AND THEN COME BACK.
THAT'S MY FEELING. >> COMMISSIONER BEAN?
>> WHAT MAKES THAT AN INFORMAL PLAY AREA? IS IT JUST GRASS, IF THAT'S SO THEN EVERYTHING'S AN INFORMAL PLAY AREA.
>> I THINK THERE WERE DESIGN ELEMENTS OF CREATING ROCKS OR BOLDERS OR THINGS IN A NATURAL SETTING TO PROVIDE SOMETHING
MORE THAN JUST GRASS. >> OKAY.
>> AND IF I COULD CONTINUE TO ADDRESS, I THINK VICE MAYOR KREGER ONE OF THE GOALS I SENT TO YOU FRIDAY AND IS AGAIN ON NEXT MEETING'S AGENDA IS THE NEXT PHASE, PREDICATED ON THE COMPLETION OF THE IMMINENT DOMAIN, THE SEGMENTS, 6 AND 7 WHICH IS THE LOW SPOT WHERE THE SIMMON'S PROPERTY IS. AFTER WE FINISH THE SOUTHERN RESILIENCY EFFORT. OUR RESILIENCY EFFORTS TURN TO THE STREET, AND THE SIMMON'S AREA. AND TO BUILD UPON THAT POTENTIAL RETAIL SITE. IN 2019, AT THE DIRECTION OF THE CITY COMMISSION WHEN THE TALK WAS HOW DO WE GENERATE MORE REVENUE, PERHAPS IN A WAY TO SUPPORT THE MARINA, I WENT AND
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SECURED AN APRAYSLE ON A PARCEL THAT THE CITY OWNS, SOUTH TO WHAT IS SCHSHOWN AS THE ELECTRI EQUIPMENT. UPLANDS THAT THE CITY COULD OFFER A GROUND LEASE ON. AND THOSE LEASE RATES WERE IF YOU HAD SOMEBODY THAT WANTED ALL 28,000 SQUARE FEET, THE LEASING RATE WAS APPROXIMATELY $5.50 A SQUARE FOOT OR $155,000 A YEAR. IF YOU DIVIDE IT INTO 3, 9,000 SQUARE FOOT SUBLOTS YOU WOULD GET $70,000 A YEAR OR $7.50 A SQUARE FOOT. I ASKED THE APPRAISAL TO UPDATE THE NUMBERS AND SAY WHAT IF WE DIVIDE IT IN HALVES INSTEAD OF THIRDS, AND THE INTENT WOULD BE AN INTERESTED PARTY, WHETHER ATLANTIC SEAFOOD WOULD ENTER A GROUND LEASE. PAY IT GROUND LEASE TO THE CITY FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. AND MISS BACH AND I HAVE STARTED MEETING WITH POTENTIAL SUITORS FOR THAT PROPERTY. PART OF THE INTENT OF THE RETAIL WAS A DIRECT RESULT OF FORMER CITY COMMISSION SAYING WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO GENERATE MORE REVENUE ON THAT SITE TO SUPPORT THE MARINA. SO THERE ARE THREE, DEVELOPABLE, IN HIS MIND, GO TO 3-9,000 SQUARE FOOT PARCELS.>> VICE MAYOR? >> YES, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE THERE AND WHEN IT COMES, WE LOOK -- I WOULD LIKE A LITTLE KIDDY PARK AT SOME TIME, BUT OTHER THAN, WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD. THIS THINGS'S GOING ON FOR 20, 50, 100 YEARS, I'M NOT SURE. THIS COULD BE A VIABLE START WITH MONEY BASICALLY IN HAND. AND, ONE MORE I WANT TO BRIEFLY SAY THAT THE LIVING SHORELINE IS A VERY ENVIRONMENTAL FRIENDLY THING WHICH IS VERY POSITIVE IN TERMS OF THE ENVIRONMENT.
>> MR. BEAN. >> THANK YOU MR. MAYOR, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT SEEING THAT ATLANTIC SEAFOOD HAS THE LEASE THREW 2028, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE GIVING FIRST RIGHTS AND WE'RE NOT PUSHING THEM OUT OF THE SPACE. THEY'VE BEEN A VERY GOOD PART OF THE COMMUNITY. IF SOMETHING'S GOING TO HAPPEN, THEY NEED TO HAVE FIRST ABILITY TO RETAIN THEIR AREA.
>> AND MR. MAYOR, THERE ARE COMPONENTS OF THE EXISTING LEASE THAT PROVIDE FOR THAT RELATIONSHIP TO BE BUILT UPON BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE LEASE HOLDER.
>> GOOD. >> MY ONLY LAST COMMENT ON BUILDING 231 IS THAT THE CLOCK IS TICKING. THAT BUILDING IS SCHEDULED TO BE DEMOLISHED WHEN, COMMISSIONER ROSS?
>> I HAVE TO TURN MY LIGHT ON? >> NO. IT'S OKAY.
>> I DON'T WANT TO STEP ON ANYBODY'S TOES. THEY WANTED IT DONE BY JUNE. SO, THERE'S A COUPLE OF PEOPLE INTERESTED AND LET'S JUST LET IT, THEY'RE DOING THE DUE DILIGENCE AND LET'S SEE
WHAT HAPPENS. >> OKAY. SO THAT CLOCK IS TICKING. AND WE'RE GOING TO NEED -- IF WE DECIDE, WE WANT TO PRESERVE THAT BUILDING, WE HAVE TO FIND A LOCATION FOR IT.
IT'S A WATERFRONT BUILDING. AND THAT'S THE ONLY WATERFRONT AREA THAT WE HAVE. SO JUST MAKING THAT POINT. COMMISSIONER ROSS?
>> AND INTERESTS A POTENTIAL FOR USING THE -- THERE'S A BLOCK GRANT OUT THERE, HASN'T BEEN USED IN MORE THAN 10 YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET US TO SPEND, A COMMUNITY BLOCK GRANT WHICH WOULD PROBABLY WORK PRETTY WELL IF WE COULD SHOW THAT WAS GOING TO BE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN REPURPOSES THAT
>> ISN'T THAT $135,000? >> THAT BLOCK GRANT?
>> I THINK IT'S ONLY $100,000, BUT YOU COULD BE CORRECT.
>> I JUST GOT QUOTED LAST MEETING IT WAS $135,000.
>> IF WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS IT AND GO INTO IT, I REALLY THINK THE ANSWER IN MY OPINION WOULD BE TO KEEP THE POTENTIAL RETAIL IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT, ALL IN THE SAME AREA. NOT KIND OF SPREAD IT ACROSS AND TRY TO CUT INTO OUR AREA. I THINK THAT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE THE BEST TO KEEP IT ALL IN THE SAME AREA AND THEN YOU HAVE THE MASS AMOUNT OF PARK AREA TO USE. IF YOU START
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SPREADING IT ACROSS, IT LOOKS KIND OF LIKE -- ANYWAYS, THAT'S JUST HOW I SEE THE MOST SENSIBLE WAY OF DOING IT.>> COMMISSIONER BEAN? >> THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. ARE WE GOING TO MOVE THAT BUILDING. I'M CURIOUS, IS THAT AN EASY
BUILDING TO MOVE? >> DO YOU KNOW WHO IGEMA IS? THEY MOVE BUILDINGS THEY LOOK AT IT AND CAME UP WITH A QUOTE.
>> A LOT OF GARDENS, LIKE IN PARIS, THEY HAVE BEAUTIFUL PARKS AND GARDENS, THEY MAKE THOSE RESTAURANTS AND THINGS PART OF THE PARK. SO THERE'S PARK AROUND THEM. SO, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE FEATURES COULD BE INCLUDED IN PART OF THE PARK.
SO THERE'S WAYS OF SPREADING IT OUT, BUT KEEPING IT PARK-LIKE.
>> WAS THAT AN ANSWER TO COMMISSIONER BEAN? DID YOU HAVE
ANYTHING ADDITIONAL? >> NO. I'M FINE.
>> ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONERS, ANYTHING ELSE?
>> VICE MAYOR. >> IF THE CLOCK IS TICKING WE NEED A PROPOSAL ON THE COST AND WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT PRETTY QUICK OR IT WILL BE GONE. SO, BUT IT'S NOT TIED TO THE
REST OF WHERE WE'RE GOING. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY OTHER
QUESTIONS? >> ANY OTHER ITEMS OR ELEMENTS
OF THIS THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS? >> OKAY. HEARING THAT I MOVE
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.