Jan 25, 2021 Marina Advisory Board

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. >> LET'S BRING THE MEETING TO

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

PLEASE. >> CHAIRMAN MCCARTHY.

VICE-CHAIR MILLS. >>ALLEN MILLS: HERE.

>>GERALD DECKER: HERE. >>JOE BLANCHARD: HERE.

>>COLEMAN LANGSHAW: HERE. RONALD SCOTT STEWART HERE.

>>TERRY LACROSS: HERE. >> OKAY, APPROVAL OF THE

[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

MINUTES FROM THE DECEMBER 28. >> I MOVE.

I MOVE WE APPROVE THE MINUTES. >> DO WE HAVE A SECOND?

>> SECOND. THIRD.

[5. PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA]

>> SO IT BE. WE HAVE ONE PUBLIC COMMENT.

WOLFGANG. YOU WILL COME UP TO THE PODIUM

AND SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. >> WOLFGANG LICA, FERNANDINA BEACH. I AM -- I HAVE MY BOAT HERE IN THE MARINA. AND I HAVE NOTICED THAT NOW AFTER NOT EVEN TWO YEARS, THERE IS AN EXTENSIVE SHOWING GOING MONTH MIDDLE DOCK. I THINK THE E DOCK.

AND I REALLY RECOMMEND THAT THIS WILL BE ADDRESSED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE IT WILL CUT OFF THE EXCESS TO ALL THE DOCKS ON THE INSIDE TO WHERE THE TRAILERS ARE GOING IN THE LAUNCH. AND IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT.

I HAVE SEEN THIS. I WAS HERE THE FIRST TIME IN 2012. IT WAS WONDERFUL.

EVERYWHERE WAS WATER AND IN 2014, EVERYTHING WAS SILTED.

IT GOES FAST. IT IS IMPORTANT TO ADDRESS IT NOW. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYBODY HAVE ANY COMMENTS?

>> I DID NOTICE THE OTHER DAY I LOOKED AT IT AND IT IS SHALLOW, TWO AND A HALF FEET ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE MIDDLE TOCK. WHERE IT WAS LAST YEAR AT THIS TIME IT WAS SIX TO EIGHT FEET IN THERE.

THAT'S HOW MUCH IT HAS FILLED UP THE REST OF THE YEAR.

>> BUT IT IS JUST DIFFERENT SPOTS THERE.

AND IT DOES. WE HAVE AN ISSUE WHERE MAYBE WE CAN GET SOME POWER BOATS MOVING BACK AND FORTH.

PROBLEM IS SOME OF THE BOATS DON'T MOVE AND SILTING IN THE MIDDLE WHERE THE DOCK IT AND EVERYBODY IS STANDING WITH THE SAILBOATS BUT EVERYTHING ELSE FLOATS.

>> ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE?

>> IS THERE ANY ROUTINE PROCESS FOR CLEARING THAT OUT OR JUST HIT OR MISS? IS THERE A ROUTINE CLEANING

THAT OCCURS OR SOMETHING? >> TIDE S THAT MOVE AND OUT.

NO, THE BOATS DON'T MOVE. YOU HAVE SILT.

JUST SITS THERE. >> WELL, THE AGE-OLD PROBLEM AND THE REAL SOLUTION AND ANSWER IS WE NEED TO START MOVING FORWARD RIGHT NOW AND SECURE GRANTS AGAIN -- NOT GRANTS, BUT PERMITS TO GO AHEAD AND DO SOME MAINTENANCE.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE ON THE PROCESS.

I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE BRAND-NEW ON THE BOARD, BUT THAT IS THE THING. HAS TO BE CONTINUE TO EVERY OTHER YEAR AND WE SHOULD START THE PROCESS ALWAYS -- I MEAN AS SOON AS WE START DREDGING WHENEVER, WE SHOULD BE PLANNING ON A TWO-YEAR CYCLE AGAIN LOOKING FOR SPOIL SITES, GETTING THE PERMIT SECURED AND LOOKING TO DO THE CONTRACTS

AND SO FORTH. >> ISN'T THAT -- IS THAT IN

THE CITY BUDGET NOW? >> THAT IS ANOTHER PART OF THE PROBLEM. OBVIOUSLY A BUDGET ISSUE THAT COMES BACK EVERY TIME. BUT I WOULD SAY THAT, YES, AN EXPENSE WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT.

IF WE DON'T DO IT, WE WILL LOSE THE POTENTIAL OF REVENUE IN THE MARINA AS WE NEED IT AND SEE IT SHOULD BE GOING FORWARD. MY THING IS TO SAY, LET'S FIND OUT REALLY QUICKLY WHAT IS GOING ON.

TALK TO THE ENGINEERS. OBVIOUSLY A BUDGET ISSUE TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION ABOUT IT, BUT I KNOW THEY ARE KEENLY AWARE OF THE SITUATION. ALL WE CAN DO IS SAY WE SHOULD RECOMMEND. LET'S GET THE BALL ROLLING AND LET'S MAKE IT A REGULAR PLAN AND FIGURE OUT THE MONEY SIDE

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>> I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP IT ON AS AN ONGOING AGENDA ITEM SO IT GETS STATUSED ON A REGULAR BASIS WHERE WE STAND.

>> OKAY. THAT MAKES SENSE.

>> MY VISION GOALS FOR WEDNESDAY.

FUNNY YOU SHOULD MENTION IT. 9, MARINA DREDGING PERMIT.

I CAN'T SEE ANYMORE. >> IT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GET O

OLD. >> MARINE DREDGING PERMIT SAJ EXPIRES 5 MARCH 2022. APPLY FOR A NEW PERMIT FOR ANTICIPATED DREDGING NEEDS. DREDGE TO TEN FEET QUESTION MARK AND IDENTIFY FUNDING SOURCES.

SO IT WILL BE BROUGHT UP ON WEDNESDAY.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE --

>> ONE OTHER THING. WE ASKED OASIS AS PART OF THEIR MONTHLY REPORT TO ADDRESS HOW MUCH IT IS SHO

SHOWING. >> AND SOUNDING.

>> SO THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE MONTHLY REPORT.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON TO

[7.1 BOARD APPOINTMENTS]

BOARD APPOINTMENTS. RECOMMENDATION TO FILL EXPIRED TERMS OF MARINA ADVISORY BO BOARD.

PAUL LORE TERRY LACROSS ALLEN MILLS.

I GUESS OUR TIME IS COMING UP. AND KEVIN HAS OPTED OUT BECAUSE HE MOVED TO THE CO COUNTY.

HE IS NO LONGER A CITY RESIDENT.

YOU HAVE TO BE A CITY RESIDENT.

I THINK THERE ARE FIVE OF US THAT ARE CITY RESIDENTS AND CHAIR IS NOT THE CITY RES RESIDENT.

>> I AM A NONCITY RESIDENT? >> CORRECT, YOU LIVE IN THE

COUNTY. >> CORRECT.

>> SO I GUESS WE WOULD SEE WHO WANTS TO STAY ON AND WHO

DOESN'T GO AHEAD, COLEMAN. >>COLEMAN LANGSHAW: OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO ASK YOU GUYS IF YOU WILL WANT TO CONTINUE ON.

I AM VERY HAPPY WORKING WITH YOU GUYS IF YOU WANT TO CONTINUE ON. IS THIS THE TIME TO MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION? I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE WOULD JUST ASK FOR REAPPOINTMENT AND RECOMMENDATION -- A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COMMISSION FOR REAPPOINTMENT FOR THE PARTICULAR MEMBERS.

OBVIOUSLY NOT KEVIN BECAUSE OF HIS SITUATION, BUT THE THREE AND THE REST OF IF YOU ARE WILLING TO CONTINUE ON.

THAT WOULD BE MY HOPE. YOU GUY GOT A LOT OF EXPERIENCE ALREADY AND HAVE BEEN GREATLY HELPFUL.

ANY THOUGHTS FROM YOU GUYS? >> PAUL?

>>PAUL LORE: SKILL TO CONTINUE ON.

>> SCOTT, ANYTHING WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY?

>> MINE HAS ALREADY BEEN RE RENEWED.

JUST THE THREE PEOPLE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE.

SO YOU ARE IN FAVOR TO KEEP THEM ON OR NOT? OKAY. EVERYBODY WANTS TO STAY ON.

>> JOE, HOW ABOUT YOU? >>JOE BLANCHARD: EVERYBODY TO

STAY ON. >> TERRY, ARE YOU READY TO

STAY ON. >>TERRY LACROSS: I THOUGHT I

WAS IN THE COUNTY, I COULDN'T. >> YOU ARE ALLOWED ONE NONCITY

PERSON. >>TERRY LACROSS: I WILL STAY

ON. >> I WILL STAY WHERE I AM BUT

DON'T WANT TO RUN IT. >> WOULD YOU RATHER BE SING?

>> NO. >> THAT IS YOUR OWN CHOICE.

SECRETARY OR CHAIR. >> YOU NEED SOMEBODY RUNNING THIS WHO HAS TIME TO DEAL WITH IT.

SOMEBODY WITH A LOT MORE FREE TIME.

LIKE KEVIN. SOMEBODY WHO IS GREAT OUT THERE IN THE PUBLIC OUT THERE ON THE WATER AT THE MARINA A LOT. I AM AWAY FROM THE MARINA BUT I AM AT THE MARINA A BUNCH AND I DON'T HAVE THE TIME THIS SEAT CALLS FOR TO DO A GREAT JOB.

AND THAT IS WHAT IT NEEDS. BUT I WANT TO STAY ON THE BOARD. I DO NOT WANT TO BE --

>> THAT IS UNDERSTANDABLE. PAUL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE THE

CHAIR? >>PAUL LORE: I WOULD LOVE TO BE THE CHAIR BUT I THINK I WOULD DO IT A LITTLE BIT OF AN INJUSTICE WITH EVERYTHING I HAVE GOT GOING ON WITH THE

OCEAN. >> ROWING ACROSS THE OCEAN.

>> WE WILL KEEP IN TOUCH WITH YOU OUT THERE.

BUNCH OF SHARKS. >> I KNOW THAT IS NOT A GOOD

CALL. >> HOW ABOUT SCOTT STEWART.

YOU WANT TO BE PRESIDENT? MR. CHAIRMAN?

>> I THINK THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD MAKE -- THE CITY CITY COMMISSIONERS WOULD BE THE FINAL ONE TO SAY IF WE STAY OR GO OR SOMEONE TO APPOINT.

BUT AS FAR AS THIS BOARD, IF EVERYBODY WANTS TO STAY ON, WE WILL LET THE COMMISSIONERS KNOW THAT WE WANT TO STAY ON.

BUT I THINK IT IS THEIR CALL TO PLACE WHOMEVER WHERE.

>> SO WHY DON'T WE FOLLOW THROUGH WITH COLEMAN'S RECOMMENDATION MAKE A MOTION THAT WE RECOMMEND --

>> YES. I WILL MAKE THE MOTION THAT

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>> AND I WILL SECOND THE MOTION.

>> SECOND. >> ANY -- ANY -- YOU WANT TO

CALL THE QUESTION? >> I AM SORRY?

>> CALL THE QUESTION. >> TAKE A VOTE.

>> I WILL RECUSE MYSELF JUST BECAUSE I AM IN IT.

>> NO, YOU -- YOU ARE ASKING THE SECRETARY CAPACITY.

YOU CAN CALL THE ROLL. >> CALLING AT VOTE ON THE MOTION. STEW PART: YES.

>>GERALD DECKER: YES. >>JOE BLANCHARD: YES.

>>COLEMAN LANGSHAW: YES. >> ALL RIGHT, LET'S MOVE ON.

>> CAN YOU STAY IN THE ROLL TEMPORARY UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT TE REPLACEMENT SINCE YOU ARE DOING A GREAT JOB.

[7.2 ORGANIZATION - ELECTION OF OFFICERS]

THE CHAIR, VICE-CHAIR AND RECORDING SECRETARY.

SO WE NEED A CHAIR. AND PAUL, ARE YOU GOOD WITH THE SECRETARY? YOU ARE DOING A GREAT JOB.

>>PAUL LORE: YEAH, I THINK I CAN KEEP UP WITH THAT.

>> WE NEED A CHAIR AND WE PROBABLY NEED TO RECOMMEND THAT THE COMMISSIONERS -- IF NOBODY WANTS TO DO IT.

ANYBODY ON THE BOARD WANT TO BE THE CHAIR?

>> JOE? >>JOE BLANCHARD: DON'T LOOK AT ME. I WAS TOLD NOT TO VOLUNTEER IN

THE NAVY. >> WHEN THE CHAIR IS UP FOR THE COMMISSIONERS TO DECIDE IF NOBODY ON THE BOARD WANTS TO BE THERE. I DON'T MIND STAYING AT THE VICE-CHAIR. I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE SOMEBODY WITH A LOT OF TIME, MORE THAN WHAT I HAVE.

>> ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE IT? >>ALLEN MILLS: NO, SIR, STAYING AT VICE-CHAIR. IF I HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY

THAT'S WHERE I WILL STAY. >> I GUESS I COULD VOLUNTEER

TO BE CHAIR, I GUESS. >> ALL RIGHT, MAKE A MOTION THAT UP FOR APPROVAL TO BE THE CHAIR.

WE WILL NEED ANOTHER MEMBER. >> THAT'S RIGHT.

BUT WHY DON'T WE SETTLE THE CHERISH EWE FIRST AND MOVE ON.

>> SO I WILL MOTION -- I GUESS -- I VOLUNTEER TO BE THE CHAIR IF THE PARTY IF THE BOARD SO AGREES.

>> I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT HE SAID.

>> HE VOLUNTEERS TO BE THE CHAIR IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO

MAKE THE MOTION. >> COLEMAN?

>>COLEMAN LANGSHAW: I WILL MAKE THE MOTION.

YOU DON'T WANT TO BE CHAIR? >> I AM KIND OF LIKE YOU.

>> WE NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND.

>> WHAT IS THE MOTION. >> THAT JERRY WILL BE THE

CHAIR OF THE BOARD. >> THE MOTION SHOULD BE THE

SLATE OF OFFICERS. >> THE MOTION SHOULD BE THE

SLATE. >> WELCOME TO THE BOARD.

>> CHAIR, THE VICE-CHAIR AND PAUL BEING THE RECORDING

SECRETARY. >> THEN I WILL MAKE A MOTION

AND SOMEBODY CAN SECOND. >> I WILL SECOND THAT.

>> SECRETARY IS PAUL. HERE WE GO

>> THE MOTION IS THAT MEMBER DECKER BE THE CHAIR.

I REMAIN AS THE RECORDING SECRETARY.

THE MOTION AND MEMBER BLANCHARD.

>> MEMBER MILLS IS THE VICE-CHAIR.

>> AND VICE-CHAIR IS ALLEN MILLS.

>> AND PAUL IS THE SECRETARY. >> AND MEMBER BLANCHARD.

>>JOE BLANCHARD: ON WHAT? >> FOR THE OFFICES.

>>JOE BLANCHARD: THE SLATE ARE.

>> VICE-CHAIR MILLS STAY AS THE VICE-CHAIR.

MEMBER DECKER -- >>GERALD DECKER: AND YOU ARE

SECRETARY? >>PAUL LORE: I WILL REMAIN AS

THE SECRETARY. >>JOE BLANCHARD: I WILL VOTE YES. I WAS CHANGING MY HEARING AID

BATTERY. >>GERALD DECKER: YES.

>>COLEMAN LANGSHAW: YES. >> 7.3, FLORIDA INLAND

[7.3 FLORIDA INLAND NAVIGATION DISTRICT (FIND)]

HARBOR MARINA MOORING FIELD. >> DO WE HAVE A REPORT ON T

THAT? >> I HAVE SOME DOCUMENTATION.

THIS HAS BEEN HEADED UP BY LORELEI FROM THE CITY DEPARTMENT. SHE IS WORKING ON SECURING THE GRANT FUNDS. IT IS UP FOR DISCUSSION WITH THE BOARD, THE RECOMMENDATION AS WELL AS MYSELF.

WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT AS FAR AS EXPANDING MOORING FIELD FIELD AT THIS POINT FROM AN OASIS STANDPOINT.

THE BUSINESS WE HAVE SEEN IN THE FIRST TWO MONTHS, WE WOULDN'T RECOMMEND GOING OVER 20, BUT UNTIL WE HAVE A FULL YEAR UNDER OUR BELT WE WOULDN'T KNOW WHAT THE DEMAND

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MY RECOMMENDATIONS TO GO OUT TO 20 AND LEAVE THE GRANT IF WE ARE ABLE TO GET THEM AND LEAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR

EXPANSION. >> HAS THE GRANT BEEN

REQUESTED, DO WE KNOW? >> I BELIEVE IT HAS.

MR. ROSS? >> I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THIS IN

A WHILE. >> WE HAVE AN APPLICATION

PENDING. >> NOT AN APPLICATION.

THIS IS FUNDING. AND I THINK YOU CAN ONLY GO IN -- WHAT I WOULD DO IS GET LORELEI TO GIVE YOU THE DETAILS, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING YOU HAVE TO PAY ALL AT ONCE.

YOU CAN'T 20 AND GO AND GO AND GO.

THEY ONLY PAY WHEN THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION HAS BEEN DONE.

SO WHAT I SUGGEST DO YOU IS GO BACK.

THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS. SO -- WHILE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT FINE GRANTS GOING TO BE ANOTHER ONE COMING UP THIS YEAR. AND WHAT I AM GOING TO RECOMMEND -- RECOMMEND, YOU KNOW, IS THAT YOU USE THAT

MONEY FOR DREDGING. >> AND THAT GRANT IS $250,000?

>> IT'S $200,000 TO $250,000. IT DEPENDS HOW MUCH MONEY.

>> THAT IS IN MARCH, ISN'T IT? >> YES, IT IS COMING UP.

SO I THINK DREDGING IS GOING TO BE A CENTRAL ISSUE AS YOU ALREADY POINTED OUT. IT IS A -- HAS TO THE MATCHED WHICH IS WHERE THAT MONEY COMES FROM.

THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.

JUST FOR THAT GRANT. YOU NEED TO GO GET THE DETAILS

BEFORE YOU MAKE -- >> ABOUT THAT -- WOULD THAT -- COULD HE PUT 11 MORE -- TOTAL IN THAT AREA THAT WE HAVE?

>> MY RECOGNITION YOU CAN -- RECOLLECTION YOU CAN DO 30 OR

40. >> HOW MUCH MONEY IT IN THERE

FOR THE MOORING FIELD. >> YOU ARE ASKING ME TO TALK OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD AND I LOOK AT ZILLION OF THINGS AND

I DON'T REMEMBER. >> IF YOU CAN PUT 11 MORE IN THERE WITH THAT GRANT MONEY AND RECOVER IT ALL, AND THAT

IS WHERE WOULD YOU WANT TO BE. >> YES, SIR.

>> YOU HAVE NINE NOW, RIGHT? >> WE HAVE NINE CURRENTLY, Y

YES. >> I AM KIND OF THINKING WE OUGHT TO SLOW DOWN ON THE MOORINGS AT THIS POINT PERSONALLY BECAUSE OASIS IS BRAND-NEW GETTING INTO THE SITUATION. COUPLE OF THINGS COME TO MIND ALSO. I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF SEE IF THERE IS ANY QUESTION FOR FUTURE CONSIDERATION AS CLOSE AS WE ARE IN THE FEDERAL CHANNEL OVER THERE IF WE ARE TO POSSIBLY ONE DAY TRY TO SEE ABOUT SOME SHIFTING OF CHANNEL AND I KNOW THIS IS KIND OF A NEBULOUS THING RIGHT NOW.

WITH THOSE MOORINGS BEING A DETRIMENTAL IMPACT CLOSE TO THE TOWN NEAR THE DEEPER WATER.

I THINK WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON THE IMMEDIATE SITUATION ALSO AS COMMISSIONER MENTIONED ABOUT THE EXPENSIVE DREDGING AND TRY TO PUT OUR FOCUS ON THAT.

WE OBVIOUSLY KNOW WE HAVE A TIGHT BUDGET.

UNLESS THE MOORING IN THE OASIS FEELS LIKE A REAL BIG OPPORTUNITY FOR US FOR INCOME, I AM NOT QUITE SURE RIGHT NOW THAT IS THE BEST OPTION PERSONALLY.

>> I THINK THAT MONEY HAS TO GO --

>> THIS MONEY -- EXCUSE ME. >> ALLOCATED FOR MOORING.

IT CAN'T GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. >> DO WE HAVE TO ACCEPT THIS

GRANT. >> WE ALREADY SPENT ALL THE

MONEY WE NEED IN ENGINEER. >> OKAY, WELL --

>> BEFORE WE -- THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS.

>> ALL RIGHT. IF WE CAN -- WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE, I GUESS, THE GRANT ADMINISTRATORS.

THE ONES WE NEED TO GET THE QUESTIONS ANSWERED.

SO, YEAH, AT OUR NEXT MEETING, I WOULD LIKE -- OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T MAKE A DECISION RIGHT NOW ON THAT.

BUT IF WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD, WE HAVE GOT TO MOVE

FORWARD. >> I THINK WE CAN MAKE A MOTION THAT WE WANT THE GRANT AND THE NAVIGATIONAL GRANT TO BE APPLIED TO DREDGING IF I AM NOT MISTAKEN.

>> FOR NEXT YEAR? >> YEAH.

>> FOR THE GRANT COMING UP IN MARCH.

PER THAT APPLICATION. >> SO IT'S LIKE TWO THINGS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AT THIS POINT.

>> TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THINGS.

>> THIS GRANT, I GUESS THE BALL IS ROLLING.

>> THE MONEY HAS ALREADY BEEN ALLOCATED FOR THE MOORING.

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>> BUT AS TO YOUR POINT ALSO, YES, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS PART OF THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC FOR DISCUSSION AND ASK THE NEXT TIME TO GO FORWARD. I WOULD CERTAINLY --

>> IT IS ON THE AGENDA RIGHT NOW.

IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPLY THE GRANT TO GO TOWARD DREDGING, I AM SURE WE CAN MAKE THAT MOTION.

CORRECT. >> ALL RIGHT, I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO PLEASE TRY TO GET THAT BALL ROLLING ON THE GRANT. IF ANYONE WANTS TO SECOND T

THAT. >> FOR DREDGING?

>> FOR DREDGING. >> I SECOND THAT MOTION.

>> THAT IS FOR 2021. >> ALL RIGHT.

CALL THE QUESTION. >> PLANET BLANCHARD YES.

>>ALLEN MILLS: YES. >>GERALD DECKER: YES.

>>COLEMAN LANGSHAW: YES. >> STEWART: YES.

>>PAUL LORE: YES. >> AND WITH OASIS, WE WANT THE GRANT TO APPLY TOWARD THE DREDGING OF THE MARINA.

AND ONCE IT GETS APPROVED -- I KNOW THAT GRANT I BELIEVE IS MARCH -- IT IS MIDMARCH THAT IT IS DUE.

OR THEY ARE OUT. SO WE NEED -- DO WE NEED TO

ROLL ON THIS TOMORROW? >> I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.

WITH THE COMMISSIONERS. >> I TALKED TO THEM THIS

MORNING. >> OKAY, I JUST -- ALL RIGHT,

THANK YOU. >> ANY MORE DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. MARINA MANAGEMENT REPORT.

[8. MARINA MANAGER REPORT]

OASIS. >>TAYLOR FITZSIMMONS: TOO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HIGHLIGHT OF TRANSPIRED BY THE END OF DECEMBER AND HIGHLIGHTS SO FAR THROUGH THE MONTH OF JANUARY.

WE ENDED UP FINISHING UP DECEMBER WITH 650 BOAT TRANSIENT NIGHT RESERVATIONS. FIVE DIFFERENT OCCASIONS IN THE MONTH OF DECEMBER A MAXIMUM CAPACITY WHICH RESULTED IN APPROXIMATELY 20 BOATS BEING TURNED AWAY.

WE DID AN 87,955 IN REVENUE IN THE MONTH OF DECEMBER.

$60,000 WAS FROM TRANSIENT REVENUE.

SO FAR IN THE MONTH OF JAN JANUARY, WE HAVE GOT 434 BOOK NIGHTS. THAT IS RELATIONS THAT HAVE ALREADY TAKEN PLACE AND BOOKED FLEW THE END OF THE MONTH.

JANUARY IS OTHERWISE A SLOW MONTH COMPARED TO A VERY BUSY DECEMBER, WE ARE SHAPING UP QUITE NICE FOR JANUARY.

SOME OTHER CHANGES YOU MIGHT HAVE SEEN AROUND THE MARINA ALREADY. THE BOATER LOUNGE.

WE REPAINTED. NEW FURNITURE AND COFFEE BAR ADDED AND TURN THE SPACE AROUND TO MAKE IT MORE FOR TRANSIENT SET AND STARTED PRESSURE WASHING THE BOARDWALK AREA TO RID OF THE BIRD DROPPINGS AND REALLY CLEAN UP THOSE INGRESS AND EGRESSES. WE ALSO HAVE GONE THROUGH THE GROWTH OF THE PILING. MULTIPLE PAINTING PROJECTS.

HANDRAILS NEAR THE CHECK-IN OFFICE, FIRE EXTINGUISHER, SAND PIPES AND YELLOW CAUTION LINE TO THE GANGWAY TO ADDRESS THE SAFETY CONCERN THERE. THE SHIP'S INVENTORY HAVE STARTED TO COME IN AND A LOT OF VIN VENATORRY ON THE STORE SHELVES. MORE COMING IN WITH BEER AND WINE COMING IN SOON. SO FEEL FREE TO STOP IN.

WE WILL BE DOING NEW FLOORS AND A NICE NEW COUNTERTOP AS WELL AND A NICE LITTLE CHANGE COMPARED TO WHAT IT WAS.

TO ADDRESS THE WI-FI, WE DID HAVE AT&T OUT THREE TIMES SO FAR THIS MONTH. SO WITH REGARD TO GETTING THAT FIBER OPIC CABLE HOOKED UP WE DISCUSSED AT LAST MONTH MEETING. THEY GAVE US A FEBRUARY 3 DEADLINE FOR FIBEROPTIC AND WE WILL SEE HOW THE WI-FI IS DOING AT THAT POINT AND CONTACTED A VENDOR WE USE ONE SPOT WI-FI AND WORKING THROUGH -- WE ARE LOOKING TO SEE HOW WE CAN EXPAND THAT SERVICE THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE PROPERTY AND EXPLORING QUOTES AND RUNNING THAT TO THE CITY COMMISSION. SO IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU BROUGHT UP THE DECKS 37 WE HAVE BEEN GOING OUT AFTER LAST MONTH'S MEETING. WE TOOK OUR FINDER AND LOW TIDE DID SANDING AT THE BOTTOM.

AT THE CORNER OF E DOCK COMING IN TOWARD THE BASIN WHERE THE BOAT RAMP IS LOCATED WE HAVE THREE AND A HALF FEET IN MORE THAN A FEW AREAS THAT DOES SHOW OFF AND START TO GO DOWN.

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YOU GET TO THE INSIDE OF THAT DOCK ABOUT SIX TO EIGHT FEET AT LOW TIDE AS YOU GET CLOSER IN.

SO JUST SEEMS TO BE AN ISSUE AT THE END OF THE DOCK AND WE ARE MONITORING THAT MONTHLY. THE ELECTRICITY ON THE DONG WAS ALSO BROUGHT UP AT THE LAST MEETING.

WE DID HAVE THEM COME BACK UP. THEY EXPECTED THE NORTH AND SOUTH ATTENUATORS AND DISCUSSING CONCERNS THAT MEMBERS IN THE COMMUNITY WILL BROUGHT UP.

IF I CAN READ A LETTER THEY SENT TO ME.

WE FOUND NO ISSUES OF THE TESTING OF THE GROUNDING SYSTEM WHEN JANUARY 8, 2021. WE DID FIND INBALANCE OF VOLTAGE AND AT 130 VOLTS IN D PHASE.

111 VOTES VOLTS. AND ONE OF THE COILS IS COMPROMISED AND THEY ARE BAITING FOR MORE MANUFACTURER FOR THE BEST WAY TO PROCEED. WE HAVE THEM BACK OUT TODAY AND THEY FOUND THAT VOLTAGE IS IN BALANCE NOW.

SO WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE MONITORING THAT AND START A SPREADSHEET AND GOING OUT TO CHECK THE READINGS AND CHECK A VOLTAGE ON A DAILY BASIS. WE HAVE ALSO STARTED TO INSPECT THE MOORING WALLS ON BIWEEKLY BASIS AND CHECKING THE SHACKLES AND MAKING SURE THAT IS GOOD CONDITION FOR THE BOATERS COMING IN NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO THE DOCKS. WE SIGNED UP TWO LONG-TERM BOATERS IN THE MONTH OF JANUARY IN THE 19.25 PER FOOT WAIT. 115 FEET WORTH OF LINEAR BOAT WE SIGNED UP THIS MONTH. WE ALSO ARE INSTITUTING SPECIAL EVENT PRICING AND A TWO-DAY MINIMUM FOR SHRIMP FEST AND STARTED TAKING RESERVATIONS FOR THAT.

>> IS SHRIMP FEST HAPPENING. >> AS FAR AS I AM AWARE.

NOTHING HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION.

WE DO HAVE CANCELLATION POLICIES IN CASE ANYTHING DOES HAPPEN. BUT TRYING TO STAY PREPARE.

>> HOW ABOUT THE CAR SHOW. WHAT DO YOU HAVE GOING WITH

THE CAR SHOW? >> THE CAR SHOW.

EVENT SPECIAL PRICING. >> THEY MOVED THAT TO MAY, MAY

20. >> THAT IS LATER ON AND

SOMETHING WE WILL GET THE -- >> WE USED TO GET A LOT OF

BOATS FOR THAT. >> AND WE WILL BE LOOKING AT ALL THE EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WILL BE DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR DEPENDING ON THE EVENT AND TAKING THIS ONE BY ONE.

AND LAST ITEM, THE OLD WEB SITE AT THEY OPERATED WAS GOING ON FOR QUITE A WHILE TRYING TO GET THEM TO TAKE THAT DOWN. WE WERE ABLE TO GET THAT FORWARDED. AND EVERYTHING COMES TO THE NEW PAGE. NO CONFUSION FOR BOATERS LOOKING TO COME IN AND ALL NEW INFORMATION AND INTO INFORMATION FROM AN OLD WEB SITE.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> HOW ABOUT FUEL?

>> I SKIPPED RIGHT OVER THAT. WE HAVE THE PERMIT -- MARINE FACILITIES AND GONE THROUGH TRAINING WITH THE PIPE VENDER TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE WELL-EQUIPPED FOR THE INSTALLATION. LAST WEEK WAS STAGING WITH PIPE AND STARTING TODAY THEY WERE BEGINNING TO HANG THE PIPE UNDER THE DOCK. AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE ARE LOOKING AT MID TO LATE FEBRUARY FOR OPERATION.

>> TWO ITEMS. ONE, THE MARKING OF THE BOUNDARY BUOYS IN THE MOORING FIELD DOING?

>> THE YELLOW. >> THE YELLOW BUOYS HAVE TO HAVE LETTERS ON THEM COAST GUARD REGULATIONS INDICATING WHAT THE NAMES ARE, YOU KNOW THE LOCATION OF THE BUOY.

WE BROUGHT THAT UP PRIOR -- WITH WEST TECH AND BROUGHT IT UP A COUPLE OF TIMES. WE ARE JUST WAITING FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. I NEED TO GO OUT WITH THE COAST GUARD AND INSPECT THOSE. SO I DON'T DO IT UNTIL YOU GUYS GOT THE LABELS. HAVE YOU GOTTEN ANY PROGRESS WORKING WITH THE CITY TO MODIFY THE CONTRACT ON THE 200

DAY LIMIT? >> NO PROGRESS.

THE CITY ATTORNEY DID APPROVE THE SLIP AGREEMENT WE HAD IN PLACE. AS IT WAS, A SAME SIMILAR CONTRACT WITH A MONTHLY AGREEMENT AND AT THIS POINT NO

CHANGE. >> NO PROGRESS ON ANNUAL

CONTRACTS? >> NOT AT THE MOMENT.

>> THANK YOU. .

13 ARE WE USING THE PUMP OUT BOATS AT ALL

>> THE PUMP OUT BOAT WILL BE PICKED UP FROM THE CITY

GARAGE. >> $100,000 GRAND WE PAID FOR THAT BOAT JUST ABOUT. 90 SOMETHING.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE EVER USED IT.

WE OWN IT A COUPLE OF YEARS. >> ACTUALLY THAT WAS A GRANT.

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IT WAS A GRANT. >> SPEAKING OF THAT BOAT, WHEN YOU GO TO USE THAT BOAT, WHAT BOATS -- MAINLY THAT WAS BOUGHT TO -- TO USE FOR THE BOATS THAT ARE OUT ON MOORING.

NOT FOR THE BOATS TIED UP INSIDE THE MARINA.

WILL THAT JUST BE USED FOR THE BOATS OUT IN THE MOORING FIELD OR PULL UP ASIDE A BOAT TO PUMP IT UP OUTSIDE THE CITY.

>> I HAVE A REQUEST FROM THE SLIP HOLDER THAT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE BOAT BUMPED OUT IN THE MARINA.

ONE THING WE TALKED ABOUT IN LAST MONTH'S MEETING TO GET THE BOATS TO FIRE UP AND HELP WITH THE DOCK TO HOPE WITH THE SILTING PROBLEM AN GET THEM TO COME TO THE PUMP-OUT STATION AND HAPPY TO OPERATE TH AGREED ON.

>> I BELIEVE THE BOAT WAS TO PUMP OUT THE BOATS IN THE MOORING FIELD AND NOT TO GO TO BOATS TO PUMP THEM OUT.

AND THE MARINA AND THE CITY WILL BENEFIT BETTER IF THEY CRANK THAT AND MOVE IT TO THE PUMPING STATION.

>> I AGREE. >> YOU MIGHT CONSIDER A LOT OF BOATS ON MOORING WILL PAY NOMINAL FEE IF YOU TAKE THE TRASH WITH IT. THE WASTE.

SO MUCH A BAG TO CARRY IT A AWAY.

SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. >> SEGUEING ON TO THAT IDEA, AT SOME POINT -- OF COURSE YOU NEED TO HAVE SOME LICENSED PERSONNEL SIX-PACK OR SOMETHING BUT DOING A LAUNCH SERVICE DURING BUSY TIMES MAY BE AN INTERESTING MARKETING

TOOL FOR THE MOORING FIELDS. >> SHRIMP FESTIVAL.

>> SHRIMP FESTIVAL BECAUSE QUITE A SLOG -- I HAVE SEEN SOME PEOPLE ROWING IT. A SMALL LITTLE DINGY.

SOME SORT OF MINIMAL LAUNCH SERVICE.

JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT. AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING MARKETING TOOL. AGAIN, LIKE YOU SAID.

THESE OTHER THINGS. ACTUALLY IF THERE ARE PEOPLE INSTACART. I AM TRYING TO THINK OF THE PEOPLE DOING THE SHOPPING FOR PEOPLE AND UTILIZING THE MOORING FIELD TRANSPORTING FOOD UP AND --

>> $5 A BAG AND $4 IS WHAT I HEARD IN OTHER MARINAS.

>> I USED TO DO THAT AS A KID IN MASSACHUSETTS AND I USED TO

MAKE A LOT OF MONEY. >> FERRY SERVICE LIKE IN -- LIKE IN ST. AUGUSTINE. THEY HAVE A FERRY SERVICE AND MAKE A CIRCLE THROUGH AND GO ON BACK.

>> YOU GET INTO -- I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY CAN DO THAT.

I THINK YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CAPTAIN'S LICENSE.

TO DO THAT. >> YOU ALSO HAVE TO CHECK WITH THE CITY FOR LIABILITY. BUT YOU WOULD ANY TIME YOU TAKE SOMEONE ACROSS THE WATER, YOU NEED A LICENSED CAPTAIN.

>> I KNOW FOR OUR INSURANCE POLICY AND I ACTUALLY GOT THIS THE OTHER DAY THAT WE CAN PUT THE BOAT ON THE WATER.

WE ARE ONLY ALLOWED TWO BOAT MEMBERS ON THE BOAT RIGHT NOW.

>> A LOT OF YACHT CLUBS AND MARINAS DO HAVE MOORINGS AND LAUNCH SERVICE AS PART OF T THAT.

OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE TO COULD DO THE COST ANALYSIS OF THAT, BUT ENCOURAGE -- IF WE ARE GOING TO ADD A BUNCH OF MOORINGS AND MORE SERVICES THAT MAKE THEM MORE ATTRACTIVE POSSIBLY.

>> TAYLOR, I HAVE GO THE A QUESTION.

ARE YOU WORKING WITH THE NASSAU SPORTS WITH THE K

KINGFISH TOURNAMENT? >>TAYLOR FITZSIMMONS: THE KINGFISH TOURNAMENT, NOT YET. WORKING --

>> CANCELLED. >> I DO KNOW THE KINGFISH IS

IN JUNE, I BELIEVE. >> THE LAST DAY --

>> THEY DIDN'T HAVE A BUSINESS MEETING THIS MONTH.

USUALLY JANUARY THEY START SETTING A LOT OF THAT.

SO I HAVEN'T HEARD IF THEY EVEN ARE LOOKING AT IT.

>> I HAVE GOT AN E-MAIL FROM MITCH FIELDS TODAY THEY HAVE A NEW TOURNAMENT DIRECTOR. MITCH IS STEPPING DOWN AND THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE THE TOURNAMENT THE LAST WEEKEND IN JULY. SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU KNEW THAT, TAYLOR, BECAUSE THAT IS A BIG EVENT DOWNTOWN FOR THE

FISHERMEN. >> I DID NOT.

>> LIKE A FISHING RODEO K KINGFISH TOURNAMENT.

NOT ONLY CATCHING KINGWISH, BUT REDFISH, BACKWATER SPE SPECIES. SOMETHING TO PROMOTE DOWN AT

THE MARINA. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. I GUESS IN APRIL, ONCE EVERYTHING GETS UP AND GOING, RATES INCREASE.

LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT OF THE INCREASE OF RATES AND WHERE YOU WILL DO THE RATE INCREASE AT.

>> SURE. PRESIDENT RATE -- THE LETTER MA THANK WENT OUT WE MI SJ SJUDGED AND POOR TIMING AND

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WE STATED AND PUT NOTICE OUT THAT WE WOULD HONOR THE LOWER 15.50 RATE IN PLACE THROUGH THE END OF MARCH.

UNLESS THERE IS A TURN OF EVENTS AND WE SEE A REASON NOT TO, WE STAND BEHIND THE 19.25 RATE AND ONCE THE AMENITIES ARE OPERATING AND EVERYTHING IS IN PLACE, WE DO INTEND TO MOVE EVERYBODY TO THAT APRIL 1.

>> HOW ABOUT TRANSIENTS. WE ARE AT 250 NOW.

DO YOU PLAN ON MOVING THAT UP? >> THE TRANSIENT RATE DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE OUT OF THE MA MARKET.

A STUDY LOOKING AT THE MONTHLY RATES FOR LONG-TERM.

THE 15.50 BELOW MARKET. THE MARINE HAS IN NORTH AND SOUTH OF US. THE DAILY RATE I DON'T SEE CHANGING JUST YET. NO INTENTION TO.

NO. >> DO THEY SAY ANYTHING ABOUT

THE ETA ON THE FUEL? >> YES, WE ARE LOOKING AT MID TO LATE FEBRUARY. SO FOUR WEEKS.

TIME TO INSTALL. CALIBRATION AND PURGING OF THE LINES. THEY STARTED LAST WEEK AND AROUND FEBRUARY -- OR I WILL SAY END OF FEBRUARY WITH THE CALIBRATION AND SEVERING GOING WELL.

>> EVERYTHING BACK UP AND RUNNING BY APRIL 1.

>> YES. >> BACK TO THE RATE QUESTION.

DO YOU CONSIDER -- INSTEAD OF PUTTING THE RATE INCREASE ON THOSE 38 INDIVIDUALS TO PUT AN INCREASE ACROSS THE BOARD OF A LOT LESS PERCENTAGE AND 24% AND 30 INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE GETTING HIT ON. LIKE 10% ACROSS BOARD.

WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS THAT WORKS OUT.

>> YEAH, THE IDEA BEHIND IT IS TO DO AWAY WITH THE STIGMA OF THE PREMIUM VERSUS NONPREMIUM SLIPS AND FOR THE LONG-TERM BOATERS. IT IS WHAT THE MARKET SAY THAT IS RATES SHOULD BE AND WHAT THE DEMAND FOR THE MARINA SAYS IT SHOULD BE. TWO BOATS THAT SIGNED UP IN JANUARY. ANOTHER ONE POTENTIALLY L LOOKING TO SIGN UP FEBRUARY 1 AND ANOTHER ONE ON MARCH 1 ALL AT THE 19.25 RATE. WE HAVE THE DEMAND FOR THE NONCOMMERCIAL OPERATORS. I DON'T THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO DO TWO DIFFERENT RATES IN THREE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS IN THE MARINA AND WE MAKE IT ALL SAME AND IN ONE PLACE AND THAT

MAKES THE MOST SENSE. >> WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO FOR THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ON THE END OF THE 600 FOOT? ARE YOU GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO MOVE TO THE SLIPS?

>> IF WE HAVE OPEN SPACE AND SOMEBODY WANT TO RELOCATE.

I AM OPEN TO IT AND HAPPY TO CALL AND SEND AN E-MAIL BEFORE WE FILL THOSE SLIPS. ALL WE ARE LOOKING TO DO WE ARE LOOKING TO GET THE S SAILBOATS TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE DOCK SO THAT DOESN'T BECOME AN ISSUE FOR THEM.

THE POWER BOATS WILL DRAW LESS MORE OR LESS IF THEY USE THEIR BOATS AND SILTING ISSUE. WE DO HAVE SPACE OPENING UP.

AND BEFORE WE FILL THOSE, WE CAN SEND AN E-MAIL OUT TO THE MEMBERSHIP CURRENTLY AND SEE IF ANYBODY -- I HAVE HAD A FEW VERBAL CONVERSATIONS AND NOBODY WANTS TO MOVE TO THE INSIDE OF THE DOCK SEEMS TO BE THE ISSUE AND SILTING AND BEING IN THE MARINA IS UNDERSTANDABLE AND WE ARE MONITORING OUR RATE LIST AND THE DRAFT FOR EACH OF THOSE BOATS AND FILL UP WHAT CAN FIT IN THE SLIPS.

>> COLEMAN? >>COLEMAN LANGSHAW: A COUPLE OF THINGS. WHAT IS THE RATIO SHOW YO FOR TRANSIENT VERSUS LONG TERM. HAVE YOU ESTABLISHED THE PERCENTAGES LIKE 70/30. DO YOU HAVE AN ALLOCATION WE ARE NOT GOING TO EXCEED A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE MARINA FOR LONG TERM TO OPTIMIZE THE TRANSIENTS.

AND PART OF MY QUESTION THE 19.25.

I AM GUESSING THAT IS BASED ON THE TRANSIENT MONTHLY EQUIVALENT FOR THE POTENTIAL OF THAT SPACE BY THE HIGH DOLLAR. I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT THINGS TO UNDERSTAND THAT IS KIND OF WHAT DRIVES THAT NUMBER. IT IS ALWAYS A TOUGH THING FOR EVERYBODY TO GET THEIR HEADS AROUND ON THAT.

THE OTHER QUESTION IS, PURPOSE TO SAY -- JUST FOR THOUGHT -- THAT, -- NOW HE KNOW, ONLY THIS 20% INSTEAD OF 30% AVAILABLE FOR LONG-TERM D DOCKAGE.

OPENING UP 10% MORE SPACE TO TRANSIENT AND IN THE WINTER, I GET IT. A WAY TO SORT OF MITIGATE SOME OF THE PRICE INCREASES NOT NOW BUT GOING FORWARD AND MAKING SOME ADJUSTMENTS ON WHAT IS THE TOTAL ALLEGATION FOR TRANSIENTS AND DOING THE MATH. BECAUSE I AM TRYING TO FIND A WAY -- I KNOW WHERE YOU ARE COMING FROM.

I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT, OF COURSE, THESE GUYS --

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ADDRESSING THAT. >> IF IT HAD BEEN THE LAST ONE I WOULD HAVE HAVE THE NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME AND THE LENGTH OF THE DOCK FOR EACH. THE THOUGHT PROCESS WE ARE DOING IS THE INNER MOST ACCESS FOR LONG TERMS UNLESS SIZE ABSOLUTELY PROHIBIT US FROM GETTING THE BOT IN THOSE INNER DOCKS AND WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THAT NUMBER LIMITED.

THE MAIN INTENT IS FOR TRANSIENT.

THE DAILY RATE. THE THOUGHT BEHIND THAT, YOU ONLY HAVE TO FILL THE SLIP SEVEN NIGHTS OUT OF THE MONTH.

YOU MAKE THE SAME AMOUNT. >> ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

PRETTY SAW SOME. BOARD COMMENTS.

>> ANYBODY HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE CURRENT STATUS OF THE FEMA

PAYMENTS ARE? >> I REALLY DO NOT.

>> SAY AGAIN? >> I HAVE A REALLY GOOD IDEA.

>> COME TO THE PODIUM AND PASS THAT INFORMATION ON US TO, S

SIR. >> FEMA HASN'T RESPONDED.

>> AND WE ARE UP TO DATE WITH ALL OF OUR RESPONSES TO THEM.

>> WE ALWAYS HAVE BEEN UP TO DATE WITH EVERY RESPONSE.

I THINK ONE OF THE ISSUES -- EVERYBODY BLAMES THE CITY AND THE CITY WITH FEMA. I THINK YOU SHOULD LOOK AT FEMA. FEMA DOESN'T WANT TO PAY.

I THINK THAT IS THE REAL IS ISSUE.

AND THEY -- THEY ARE NOT -- YEAH, THEY ARE OVER -- THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO HAVE IT TO US.

THEY WERE AFFAIR SUPPOSED TO HAVE IT TO US AND ABSOLUTELY

NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT IT. >> WE ALL KNOW THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY. THAT IS A GIVEN.

>> RIGHT. THIS THING TNGHAT -- THAT THE CITY IS AT FAULT. I THINK EVERYBODY NEEDS TO LOOK AT FEMA IS THE ONE -- WE DID EVERYTHING WE WERE SUP SUPPOSED TO DO. WE DID IT ON TIME.

WE DID IT APPROPRIATELY AND FEMA DOESN'T WANT TO PAY.

LIKE MANY INSURANCE COMPANIES, THEY FIND REASONS NOT TO PAY.

>> LET ME MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT.

I HAVE DONE A LITTLE RESEARCH INTO THE BEHAVIOR OF FEMA.

AND THE EVIDENCE THAT I HAVE SEEN IS THAT FEMA ALMOST NEVER HOLDS UP THEIR END OF THE BARGAIN IN TERMS OF TIME SCHEDULE. LIKE THEY HAVE 90 DAYS AFTER THEY HAVE RECEIVED THE FIRST APPEAL WHICH WE FILED THROUGH THE STATE. THEY HAVE PRESUMABLY -- ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN RULE BOOK.

THEY HAVE 90 DAYS TO RESPOND. BUT THE EVIDENCE POINTS TO THE FACT THAT THEY ALMOST NEVER MAKE THAT SCHEDULE.

THEY ARE ALMOST ALWAYS LATER. AND IN FASTBALL FACT, IT GOT SO BAD A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO -- OR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO THAT CONGRESS ACTUALLY MODIFIED THE STAFFORD ACT WHICH IS THE LEGAL MECHANISM OF WHICH WE ARE OPERATING BECAUSE FEMA WAS SO SLOW IN RESPONDING.

THE CONGRESS MODIFIED THE STAFFORD ACTED AND PUT A PROVISION IN THAT IF A FIRST APPEAL HAD NOT BEEN RESPONDED TO WITHIN 180 DAYS, THE APPLICANT, US, COULD REQUEST BINDING ARBITRATION AWAY FROM FEMA, TAKE THE MATTER AWAY FROM FEMA TO GET A DECIION MADE AND THEY HAVE FURTHER MODIFIED THE STAFFORD ACT BECAUSE FEMA WAS SO SLOW IN RESPONDING TO GET THE MONEY THAT THEY WOULD GET.

THEY FURTHER MODIFIED THE STAFFORD ACT IF YOU ARE DENIED IN THE FIRST APPEAL AND IF WE GET A LETTER SAYING THAT YOUR APPEAL WAS DENIED AND IF THAT DENIAL IS ON SOME BASIS OTHER THAN TIMELINESS AND WE WERE TIMELY IN FILING OUR PAPERWORK. IF FEMA COMES BACK US TO AND SAY WE DENY YOUR CLAIM BASED ON BELTWAY BELTWAY --L BLAH-BLAH-BLAH. THE CITY AND THE APPLICATION, HAS TWO OPTIONS. YOU CAN EITHER FILE A SECOND APPEAL AND SPECIAL RULES HOW TO GOVERN THAT OR REQUEST BINDING AROUND OPERATION. BINDING ARBITRATION GOES TO A THREE-MAN COURT THAT GOES IN WASHINGTON D.C. THEY USE FINDING AND THEIR DECISION IS A LEGAL AND FINAL.

THEY ARE NOT BOUND BY ANY OF THE RULES THAT GOVERN FEMA.

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THEY CAN LISTEN TO THE APPLICANT WHICH THEY COULD DO AND DECIDE THAT FEMA WAS COMPLETELY WRONG AND NEVER DENY IT AND GRANT THE FULL AMOUNT.

SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS FEMA, AS MANY GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRACIES ARE, AS YOU K KNOW, DOESN'T END UP TO -- LIVE UP TO ITS END OF THE BARGAIN AND THE STAFFORD ACT IS TO GIVEED SO RELIEF TO THE APPLICANT.

RIGHT NOW WE ARE WAITING. IF WE GET TO 180 DAYS AND NO LETTER OR COMMUNICATION FROM FEMA, THE APPLICANT, THE CITY, CAN REQUEST ARBITRATION IF THEY WISH TO DO SO.

IT IS THEIR CHOICE. >> A VERY GOOD SUMMARY --

>> WELL, THANK YOU. >> VERY ENLIGHTENING.

>> 128 DAYS. >> WE ARE STILL WITHIN THE WINDOW, YES. SO WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

>> HURRY UP AND WAIT. >> ONE OTHER QUESTION.

THE SERVICE FOR THE MARINA. HAVE WE MOVED THE MONEY FROM THE VENTURA PROPERTY BACK OUT OF IT YET?

>> THAT MONEY IS GOING TO BE PAID BY SOME -- NO.

THE SHORT ANSWER IS NO. THE LONG ANSWER IS -- THE MORE NUANCED ANSWER IS WE STILL HAVE TO PAY THAT MONEY OFF FROM SOMEWHERE. SO -- AND I THINK THE DEBT ISSUE -- HOW WE ARE GOING TO DEAL WITH IT -- HOW THE CITY WILL DEAL WITH THE DEBT WILL DEPEND ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH FEMA. SO.

SHOULD BE POINTED OUT THAT FEMA -- IT WAS BROKEN INTO TWO PIECES, THE NORTH ATTENUATOR AND SOUTH ATTENUATOR.

THE NORTH ATTENUATOR -- WHY THEY DENIED PART.

THE SOUTH SHOULD BE REPAIRED AND NOT REPLACED AND THEY MADE A LARGE DENIAL. ON THE NORTH.

THEY AGREED A MINOR -- MINOR, 100,000 AND AGREED THAT THE NORTH SHOULD BE REPLACED AS OPPOSED TO REPAIRED AND PAID THE MAJORITY ALMOST 90% WHAT WE WERE ASKING FOR.

NOT ONLY THAT NUMBER BUT THE LARGER PERCENTAGE.

>> THE NORTH END 90% PAID FOR BY FEMA?

>> A, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TWO NMS NUMBERS.

I DON'T HAVE THEM ON THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

BUT THEY DENIED PART OF IT AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHO OR WHY, BUT MOST OF IT IT WAS APP APPROVED.

THE REAL PROBLEM BUT THE NORTH ATTENUATOR WAS CHEAPER THAN THE SOUTH ATTENUATOR. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUE

QUESTION? >> YEAH, PART OF IT.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS GOING TO BE PART OF Y'ALL'S MEETING HERE COMING UP OR THE SESSION ON HOW TO DEAL WITH THE DEBT

SERVICE OF THE MARINA. >> IT'S ON MY LIST.

>> AND IF SO, YOU KNOW, DOES -- THE SERVICE --

>> BUT IT'S NOT. >> I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO PAY FOR IT.

BUT GOES TO ANOTHER PILE OF MONEY AND NOT THE MARINA.

>> IT STILL HAS TO BE PAID FOR.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE, TYLER?

>> MOST NO, SIR. >> MOVE ON TO 9, BOARD MEM

[9. BOARD MEMBER REPORTS/COMMENTS]

>>PAUL LORE: YEAH, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS.

>> ALL RIGHT. AND IT IS ALL KIND OF CONCERNING THE WATERFRONT. THE REDESIGN OF THE WATERFRONT -- THE WATER PARK, THE WA WATERFRONT.

>> THE WATERFRONT. >> THE WATERFRONT.

MY FIRST QUESTION IS. I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS -- OR MAYBE GIVE IT THIS CAVEAT IN THE BEGINNING.

DO WE HAVE ANY INTENTION AS A GROUP TO DO A WORKSHOP TO STATE OUR POSITION OR ARE WE CONSIDERED ON THAT AND STATED OUR POSITION THROUGH THE COMMENTS?

>> I THINK OUR POSITION IS DONE AND THEY ARE GOING TO RUN

WITH IT. >> AND MY DIRECT QUESTION IS IF I CAN, I SAW THAT THERE WERE PRICES ON A LOT OF ITEMS ON THE WATER FRONT SUCH AS THE BANDSHELL, THE COURTS, THE OBSERVATION DECK. I SAW THE BOAT RAMP SITTING AS A NONPRICED ITEM. SO MY QUESTION IS IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE TREATING OTHER THINGS ON THE WATERFRONT, BUT ARE THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MAINTENANCE OF THE EXISTING BOAT RAMP OR ANY IMPROVEMENTS TO THE EXISTING BOAT RAMP TO SECURE PUBLIC ACCESS?

>> A QUESTION FOR EITHER MIKE OR CHIP.

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>> YOU MIGHT WANT TO SIT CLOSER.

>> WHAT? >> YOU MIGHT WANT TO SIT CLOSER.

>> I NEED THE EXERCISE. SO WHAT IS YOUR QUESTION?

>> MY QUESTION IS, THERE WERE A LOT OF ITEMS ON THE WATERFRONT THAT HAVE PRICE TAGS ON THEM THE BAND SHELL, THE COURTS, THE OBSERVATION DECK.

>> WHICH THE CITY NEVER -- THOSE WERE THE -- ARCHITECTS.

>> NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. >> THE ARCHITECT AND THE CITY STAFF DID NOT AGREE WITH THOSE QUOTES.

JUST TO MAKE.PERFECTLY CLEAR -- THE QUOTES WERE THE ARCHITECTS I THINK THEY ARE NOT -- THEY SEEM TO BE A LITTLE MORE ROBUST THAN THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN, I SHOULD

SAY. >> AND I GUESS EVEN REGARDLESS OF THE PRICE, WHETHER A MILLION OR 850,000.

MY QUESTION AND CONCERN IS THE BOAT RAMP.

IS THERE ANYTHING -- >> THE BOAT RAMP IS PART OF THE SHORELINE PROTECTION. NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT --

THAT. >> SO I ALSO NOTICED THE RESILIENCY AND THE LIVING SHORELINE.

WILL BE BOAT RAMP BE LOOKED AT FOR IMPROVEMENT AND

MAINTENANCE? >> MAINTENANCE HAS NOTHING -- MAINTENANCE GOING GOES TO OUR OASIS AND OUR CURRENT CONTRACT. AS FAR AS IMPROVEMENT.

WHAT IMPROVEMENT ARE YOU ENVISIONING?

>> IF THERE IS AN EXISTING BOAT RAMP THAT IS OUT THERE OUT THERE FOR 30 SOMETHING YEARS.

I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THERE ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE IMPROVED UPON.

>> THE BOAT RAMP WILL BE AFFECTED BY -- THIS IS ANOTHER -- AS STREET AND CENTER STREET WILL HAVE NEW CONFIGURATION BY FDOT AND HOW THAT EFFECT THE BOAT RAMP IS STILL TO BE

DETERMINED. >> SO IS THERE -- IF I AM HEARING YOU CORRECTLY A CHANCE THAT THE BOAT RAMP -- HOW WOULD THE BOAT RAMP BE AFFECTED?

DISCONTINUANCE. >> THE BOAT RAMP IS PART OF THE MARINA AND PART OF THE BIG PEA GRANTS.

IT WOULD BE A BOAT RAMP THERE. AND PART OF IT IS THE BOAT RAMP, YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO PUT A GATE ACROSS IT TO PREVENT FLOODING AND STILL TO BE ADDRESSED.

SO THAT QUESTION WILL NOT BE ANSWERED FOR A WHILE.

>> HAS THE BOAT TRAILER PARKING PARK THAT I LOOKED AT, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ARE GOING TO DO IT.

HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BE RELACKED AT AGAIN BECAUSE THAT IS NOT GOING TO WORK THE WAY YOU HAVE IT THERE.

>> YOU MEAN THE 90-DEGREE STRAIGHT IN?

>> YEAH. YOU NEED A -- PULL THROUGH SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE NOW TO MAKE IT CONDUCIVE.

I CAN SEE THE PEOPLE TRYING TO BACK THE BOATS AND TRAILERS AND THAT AIN'T GOING TO HA HAPPEN.

>> YOU NEED HAVE THE NEW FORD WITH THE BUTTON YOU PUSH.

>> WHATEVER, BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AGAIN.

>> THAT IS BEING LOOKED AT. >> THAT IS MY -- PIGGY BACK ON THE PARKING DECK FOR THE TRAILERS AND ALL.

HOW MANY PARKING SPOTS FOR THE BOAT TRAILERS.

>> I DON'T REMEMBER. >> TEN?

>> PART OF THAT WILL BE TAKEN UP BY THE OFF LOADING FOR THE GAZEBO OR BANDSHELL OR WHATEVER.

>> COLEMAN? >>COLEMAN LANGSHAW: WELL, I -- I HAVE AN ISSUE. AND WE ARE NOT ALWAYS GOING TO AGREE WITH THINGS BUT BOAT RAMP IS A RECREATION ELEMENT.

NO INCOME BENEFIT TO THE MARINA.

ENTERPRISE FUND. NEVER HAS BEEN.

AN UNDUE BURDEN TO THAT FUND BECAUSE EVEN WHEN WE TRY TO CHARGE FOR PEOPLE TO USE THE RAMP, IT WAS ALMOST LIKE PITCHFORKS AND TORCHES. A RECREATIONAL ELEMENT, IN MY OPINION. I KNOW TRY TO SPREAD THE MONEY AND SHOULD BE PART OF THE GENERAL FUND LIKE VENTURA PROPERTY. I AM NOT SURE WHAT THE MARINA ENTERPRISE FUND IS FOR THE PROPERTY.

I KNOW IT HAS TO BE PAID FOR, BUT IN MY OPINION A GENERAL FUND ISSUE. BECAUSE THE USE OF THE PROPERTY IS ULTIMALY GOING TO BE DONE.

IT IS NOT GOING TO BE A MARINA RELATED FUNCTION TO MY UNDERSTANDING. NOT GET ANY INCOME OPPORTUNITIES OUT OF THAT. I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THIS BOARD CONTINUALLY ALWAYS TRY TO LOOK FOR WAYS TO EXTRACT NONENTERPRISE FUND PROPERTIES MAINTENANCE COSTS AND PUT IT

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THESE GRANTS HOWEVER THEY ARE WRITTEN THEY ARE ABOUT BOATING ACCESS AND NOT TIED TO AN ENTERPRISE FUND PER SE.

AND I AM SEEING THIS AS PART OF A DISCUSSION AND THE BO BOATERS IN THE MARINA WILL PAY FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND NOT DERIVING ANY REVENUE AND MAINTAIN THAT BOAT RAMP.

THAT IS RECREATION. AND THAT IS MY OPINION.

>> WELL, TO BE HONEST, THE CITY TAXPAYERS THAT ARE PAYING FOR THAT AND PAYING FOR THE MARINA BECAUSE IT IS BEING HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED. FULL WHATEVER SILO YOU WANT BUT IT WILL BE PAID FOR. WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PAY FOR IT. YOU CAN CALL IT THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT. 17.9% OF OUR BUDGET AS RECREATION AND THAT DOESN'T CUT WILL MARINA AND DOESN'T INCLUDE THE GOLF COURSE. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY A LITTLE TOWN OF 12,000. AND ASK YOU IF YOU ARE ALL TAX PARE PAYERS, WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING TO COME FROM.

YOU CAN TRY TO PUSH IN ANOTHER SILO, BUT IT STILL HAS GOT TO BE PAID. I AM NOT PARTICULARLY.

I AM NOT FOCUSED ON WHICH SILO IT IS COMING OFF OF.

I AM FOCUS AND HOW TO PAY FOR IT IN THE BEST WAY AND THE MOST EFFECTIVE FOR OUR TAXPAYERS AND THE PEOPLE THAT

USE ALL THIS STUFF. >> WHY ARE WE PLANNING TO PUT UP A PARK AND OTHER STUFF WHEN WE ARE SO HEAVILY IN DEBT TO EVERYTHING ELSE. NOT LIKE WE DON'T HAVE PLENTY

OF PARKS. >> THE PARK HAS BEEN AN ISSUE NOW GOING ON FOR 30 PLUS YEARS.

>> I KNOW I HAVE BEEN HERE FR MOST OF IT.

>> GOOD. SO YOU WOULD KNOW AND YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. HOW MUCH WILL BE FUNDED AND REMEMBER THERE ARE IMPACT FEES THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT AND PARKS AND NEW DEVELOPMENT.

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT THE BOARDWALK PUT IN.

THE BOARDWALK THAT IS CURRENTLY ON NOW IS FALLING APART. THE SHORELINE IS BEING SCOURED AWAY AND NEED TO BE RESILIENCY HERE.

PART OF THE PARK THAT YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT.

PART OF IT IS THE RESILIENCY PLAN WITH A LIVING SHORELINE.

WHAT A LIVING SHORELINE IS TO PUT OYSTER BAGS ALONG THE MUD FLAT AND CORDGRASS. INSTEAD OF THE MUD FLAT, YOU HAVE THE REAL MARSH AND MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE FOR OUR MA MARINA. ALL OF THAT KINDS OF WORK TOGETHER. WHEN YOU SAY PARK I NEVER QUITE KNOW WHAT PEOPLE MEAN. BUT WE DO NEED -- AND THE BIGGEST PRIORITY IS THE RESILIENCY PREVENTING THE SHORELINE FROM WASHING AWAY AND PREVENTING FLOODING OF THE CITY. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUE

QUESTION? >> SCOTT, DO YOU HAVE ANY

ANYTHING? >> NO.

>> GERRY. >> YEAH, TWO THINGS.

ONE OF IT IS -- AGAIN, ON THE WATERFRONT THAT PAUL BROUGHT UP. LOOKING AT THE LATEST PICTURES I AM SURE NOT SURE THAT THERE IS ADEQUATE ACCESS BEING PROVIDED TO THE MARINA ITSELF ESPECIALLY IN THE AREA THAT IS RIGHT UP HERE NORTH OF THE BOAT RAMP WITH THE TREES AND SIDEWALKS AND WHAT HAVE YOU. IS THERE GOING TO BE ADEQUATE VEHICULAR ACCESS SO THAT EQUIPMENT AND THE VEHICLES WILL GET UP CLOSE TO THE MARINA?

>> ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAVE BEEN ASKED TO OF THE OTHER CITY COMMISSIONERS TO RESPOND TO THE DRAWING AND THAT IS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AND IS ONE THING.

THE SECOND THING IS RELATED TO THE WATERFRONT.

AS WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED, THE CITY IS GEARING UP OVER TIME HERE TO SPEND UPWARDS OF $10 MILLION TO DO ALL OF THIS WATERFRONT REB REBUILD.

AND YOU KNOW, THAT IT PROBABLY GOING TO END UP BEING DOUBLE WHAT WAS SPENT TO REBUILD THE MARINA.

THESE ARE BIG DOLLAR AMOUNTS FOR A LITTLE SMALL TOWN AS YOU SAID. A LITTLE TOWN OF 12,000 PE PEOPLE. TEN PLUS MILLION DOLLARS IS A BIG, BIG NUMBER. AND IT IS THEREFORE IMPORTANT I AM SURE I AM SAYING WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE AGREES WITH.

WHEN WE DO THIS, WE DO IT CORRECTLY AND MAKE -- ALL OF THE DETAILS ARE WORKED OUT AND CONTINGENCY AND OPTIONS ARE

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TOP TRACER RIGHT NOW >> THE REALITY OF THIS WILL NOT BE DONE IN ONE FELL SWOOP AND PARTS OF IT FOCUSING ON

PART OF IT. >> MY CONCERN IS WE WILL SPEND A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR THIS SMALL TOWN ON THIS PROJECT. IT HAS TO BE DONE RIGHT THE FIRST TIME. AND ALL THE DETAILS, ALL THE LITTLE BITS AND PARTS HAVE ALL GOT TO BE LOOKED AT SO MAKE SURE WE DON'T MISS SOMETHING AND HAVE AN OH GOTCHA LIKE AT THE GOLF COURSE WITH TOP TRACER.

THEREFORE I AM SUGGESTING THAT THE CITY COMMISSION AND THE CITY MANAGER CONSIDER IS FORMING A WATERFRONT ADVISORY BOARD. A GROUP THAT CAN BE AN EXTRA SET OF EYES, AN EXTRA SET OF EYES TO BE LOOKING AT ALL THE DETAILS HOPING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CONSULTANTS, THAT THE PLANNERS, THAT THE STAFF AND EVERYBODY THAT GETS DONE RIGHT AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY GOTCHAS AT THE END.

I CAN SEE THIS COMMITTEE WILL CONSIST OF STAKEHOLDERS THAT HAVE OWNERSHIP OF ONE FORM OF ANOTHER IN THE OUTCOME OF THIS PARK, THE WATERFRONT AND EXPERTS TO SIMPLY PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL LEVEL OF SCRUTINY TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T MAKE THE MISTAKES THAT WE SEEM TO MAKE FAIRLY ROUTINELY ON LARGE PROJECTS ON THIS CITY. I JUST OFFER THAT AS AN OPTION. MAYBE THE COMMISSION AT ITS WEDNESDAY VISIONING SESSION MAY BE SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO DISCUSS BUT THING A WATERFRONT ADVISORY GROUP IS WHAT IS NEEDED TO BRING ALL THE PIECES TOGETHER AND AS THEY SAY IN THE CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY, MEASURE TWICE, CUT

ONCE. >> AN OLD RUSSIAN PROVERB,

MEASURE THREE TIMES. >> CAN I ADD TO THIS

CONVERSATION. >> YES, SIR.

>> JUST TO ADD SOME CLARITY TO THIS.

MIKE LEDNOVICH. YOU HEARD FROM ONE COMMISSIONER. SO LET'S GIVE YOU ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE. LET ME GIVE YOU MY PERSPECTIVE. IF YOU WERE TO GO OUT AND HIRE AN ARCHITECT TO DESIGN A HOUSE YOU WANTED TO BUILD.

WOULD YOU GIVE THAT ARCHITECT A BUDGET?

>> YES. >> YES.

>> OF COURSE. >> SO WE WENT OUT TO A DESIGNER WITH NO BUDGET. WE SAID -- WE SAID DESIGN A WATERFRONT PARK AND WE THINK WE WANT THESE ELEMENTS IN THE PARK. THEY WERE GIVEN NO BUDGET.

SO DOING WHAT DESIGNERS DO, THEY THREW EVERYTHING IN THIS

PARK BUT THE KITCHEN SINK. >> OF COURSE.

>> AND CAME BACK AT $7 MIL MILLION.

WHAT I AM TRYING TO SHARE WITH YOU IS THAT THE CITY COMMISSION CURRENTLY HAS NEVER SAID WHAT THE BUDGET FOR THIS PARK IS AND WHAT I AM SAYING IS, THE FIVE COMMISSIONERS HAVE NOT AGREED UPON HOW MUCH WE SHOULD SPEND ON THIS PARK.

WE ARE NOT EVEN AT THAT POINT. WHERE WE HAVE A MONEY COMMITMENT. WHY THAT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE WORRIED OF THE ELEMENTS AND RIGHTFULLY SO ON THEIR APPEARANCE, IT LOOKS VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE.

SO THE BANDSHELL AT 1.1 MILLION.

THAT IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE ELEMENT.

THAT CAN BE ADDED AT ANY TIME. IT MAY NOT BE IN THE FIRST PHASE. MAY NOT HAVE THE FUNDING FOR THAT. SO WHAT I AM TELLING YOU IS THIS EVERYONE IS WORRIED OF THE CONCEPT AND THE DESIGN AND WE ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THAT. THE DESIGNER, OF COURSE, WOULD LIKE TO PRESS US TO GET US AS A CLIENT AND I CAN TELL YOU WE HAVEN'T AGREED ON WHAT WE ARE WILLING TO SPEND.

AND UNTIL WE COME TO A CONSENSUS AS A COMMISSION ON

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>> THE PROBLEM YOU HAVE THOUGH WITH HE THE DIAGRAMS AND PICTURES AND THE PUBLIC DOMAIN AND WHAT THEY SEE.

AND NOW YOU HAVE GOT THE PROBLEM OF ALL THIS BEING IN

THE PUBLIC DOMAIN. >> AND IRSHARE THAT.

>> GO AHEAD, SIR. >> ALSO THE PERCEPTION THAT YOU SPEND A LOT OF MONEY STUDYING AND STUDYING AND STUDYING. YOU DON'T BUILD, YOU STUDY.

WELL, THERE ARE SOME POINT IN TIME WHERE THEY STUDY THE -- AND THEY SAY, THAT'S IT. WE WILL BUILD IT.

AND THE TROUBLE WE HAVE THE SAME THING FOR THE WATER FRONT. FOR YEARS SPEND MONEY AND STUDY AND STUDY AND STUDY. KIND OF RIDICULOUS.

>> YOU WON'T GET AN ARGUMENT OUT OF ME MR. BLANCHARD.

>> PEOPLE TELL ME. WE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT STUDIES AND SICK AND TIRED OF PAYING FOR STUDIES. I GO, OKAY.

>> THE BIG QUESTION IS WHEN DO YOU PLAN ON COMING UP WITH A BUDGET FOR THE WATERFRONT P PARK?

>> I HAVE ASKED MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT VERY QUESTION. AND I INTEND TO ASK THEM AG

AGAIN. >> WHEN YOU FINISH THE BUDGET WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO GO AND WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS'S COMMENTS WHERE IS THE MONEY IS -- IS RIGHT ON. SO NOT ONLY AGREEING ON WHAT THE BUDGET IS, BUT HOW DO WE FUND IT.

UNTIL YOU FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUND IT, I DON'T THINK YOU WILL GET TO THE BUDGET QUESTION.

>> YOU ALREADY HAD THE MONEY TO REASSURE -- THERE IS MONEY FROM BOND AND ANOTHER GRANT THAT WE HAD.

>> THAT IS RILE, MR. MILLS. WE HAD SEVERAL GRANTS THAT WILL FUND SOME OF THIS, BUT WE ARE WOEFULLY SHORT.

I WOULD SAY ON BOTH PROJECTS, OKAY.

THERE IS A LONG WAY TO GO HERE.

SO I JUST WANT TO REITERATE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN ACADEMIC CONVERSATION AT THE MOMENT AND NO ONE BE TOO FEARFUL ABOUT THAT CONCEPT, BECAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS, A CONCEPT. SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE T

THAT. >> DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING?

IT'S YOUR TURN. >> FROM WHAT I AM HEARING.

YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD -- I THINK LESS FOCUSED ON THE BIG THING THAT WE ARE NOT SURE ABOUT AND REALLY FOCUS ON THE RESILIENCY AND BE SUPPORTIVE OF IT. ONE THING THAT CAME TO MIND IS ALL THIS WE NEED TO HAVE BECAUSE OF THE SEA LEVEL RISE AND THAT PLAN SAY PROP YACHT. SOME MARINA BENEFITS.

COMMISSIONER ROSS MENTIONED SOMETHING OF THE EROSION ISSUE. I THINK ABOUT SOME OF THAT.

IF WE CAN HAVE MARSH AND OYSTERS AS OPPOSED TO MUD FLATS, WE MAY FIND WE CAN SEE AN IMPROVING POSSIBILITY FOR THE MARINA AT SOME POINT IN TIME.

I KNOW WE HAVE BIG CONFERENCE APPEAR I AGREE WITH THOSE ISSUES BECAUSE STILL NEBULOUS. THAT WE ARE FOCUSED ON THIS RESILIENCY MOVING FORWARD AND LOOKING AT THE MARINA PERSPECTIVE THAT IT IS BENEFICIAL FOR US.

EVENTUALLY WE WILL HAVE THE REST OF THE COVERING.

ALL THESE QUESTIONS ARE VERY VALID, BUT IT IS WAY DOWN THE ROAD AND AS LONG AS WE STAY FOCUSED ON THE IMMEDIATE OF

THE RESILIENCY. >> WE NEED TO FILL A POSITION

ON THIS BOARD, CORRECT. >> THERE IS A SEAT --

>> WE ALREADY TALKED TO ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO DIDN'T MAKE IT ON THE BOARD, MR. DORING. AND WE ALL VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO ACCEPT HIM. WILL YOU ENTERTAIN THAT I ASK HIM IF HE WOULD STILL BE INTERESTED IN BEING A MEMBER OF THIS BOARD? AND IF HE IS, WOULD THE BOARD

FIND THAT UNACCEPTABLE? >> THE WAY THE PROCESS WORKS PEOPLE CAN PUT THEIR APPLICATION IN AND HE CAN

CERTAINLY PUT -- >> HE ALREADY PUT HIS APPLICATION AGAIN. I KNOW HE WILL HAVE TO DO THAT

AGAIN. >> THEN HE WOULD BE CONTACTED.

>> THE QUESTION IS DOES THE PROCESS STARTED ALL OVER BUT BECAUSE OF A PREVIOUS PROCESS BE CONTACTED BY CITY CLERK.

>> HE WILL TAKE CARE OF THAT TOMORROW.

>> I WILL TALK TO THE CLERK. >> TALK TO THE CLERK HOW WE CAN PROCEDURALLY GO FORWARD WITH THAT.

>> WOULD BE BOARD ACCEPT THAT FOR ME TO GO ASK HIM? I MEAN, IT IS UP TO YOU. I DON'T WANT TO ASK --

>> OTHER PEOPLE. >> OTHER PEOPLE, OF COURSE.

>> I DON'T KNOW HOW THE AC ACTIONS COULD COME IN.

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TO MAKE THE DECISION. >> I AM NOT GOING TO ASK HIM IF YOU DON'T THINK -- WE DID ONE TIME, BUT, YOU ARE KNOW.

>> THE CITY CLERK IS REALLY THE ONE THAT CAN GIVE US THE

BEST GUIDANCE ON THAT >> THE ONLY PROBLEM IS HE WAS VERY EMBARRASSED ONCE BEFORE. I AM NOT GOING TO PUT HIM

THROUGH THAT AGAIN. >> I UNDERSTAND THAT.

>> YOU GOT TO BE A SPORT. YOU GOT TO KEEP GOING.

KNOCK YOU DOWN. YOU GOT TO DO IT AGAIN.

GERRY. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING?

>> I WONDERED AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE HAT BRETT'S CONTRACT WITH THE CITY IS -- CAN YOU TELL ME WHEN IT'S

EPIRED. >> 2025.

>> 2025. >> I THINK THE CITY OUGHT TO THINK WHAT THEY WILL DO WITH THAT PROPERTY.

>> IT IS ALREADY UNDER -- >> IT IS?

>> BUT MY -- MY SUGGESTION -- AND I HEAR IT A LOT FROM THE PEOPLE THAT COME IN MY STORE THAT THEY NEED SOME KIND OF A WELCOME STATION AGAIN DOWN AT THE MARINA, YOU KNOW, WITH -- WITH THE SHRIMPING -- PROT MOATING THE SHRIMPING AND WHATEVER WE DO THE SHRIMP FESTIVAL.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY EVER GOT RID OF THAT TP BUILDING.

I THINK IF WE HAD TO DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN, THAT WOULD STILL THERE I THINK THAT IS A PRETTY IMPORTANT AREA OF FERNANDINA BEACH. PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT AREA THAT FERNANDINA BEACH HAS IS WHERE BRETT'S RESTAURANT IS

RIGHT THERE. >> BUT IF THE CONTRACT WAS MODIFIED IN THE CORRECT AMOUNT OF MONEY WAS COMING IN FROM

BRETT'S. >> NEVER DID.

>> WE ARE GOING TO BEAT THIS ALL NIGHT LONG.

HE MADE HIS COMMENT. >> I KNOW.

>> BUFFER ALL LEAVE. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FROM LISTENING TO US AND REPAINTING THE BARKING LOT AND REDOING THE BOAT TRAILER PARKING AND ALL.

IT LOOKS AWESOME. VERY IDENTIFIABLE.

YOU CAN SEE IT. IT STANDS OUT.

BOOM. ALSO, Y'ALL TALK OF THE OYSTERS BUILDING UP THE SHORELINE.

WE HAVE IT IN NASSAU COUNTY WORKING TODAY AND IT WORKS AWESOME. IF ANY OF YOU WANT TO GO DOWN TO WHERE FORT CARLOS IN FRONT OF OLD TOWN.

THEY HAVE ALREADY DONE IT THE TWO YEARS AND IT IS ALREADY GROWING. A GROWING PROCESS.

IF ANYONE WANTS TO VISIT IT IS DOING IT AND IT WILL LOOK AWESOME. SOMETHING THE COUNTY HAS

ALREADY STARTED. >> ACTUALLY --

>> I THINK IF -- IF WE -- WE STILL NEED TO REVISIT THE00

DAY DEAL. >> PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR NEXT -- FOR FEBRUARY 22 IS OUR NEXT MEETING.

>> HEY, ALLEN. >> IF I CAN.

BECAUSE I WAS KIND OF CUT SHORT.

I AM USUALLY NOT BULL BUT I WILL BE A BULL ON THIS ONE BECAUSE I HAVE A QUESTION I WANT TO HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING WITH AND FOR MIKE AND DR. ROSS EXPECT ON SEEING ME BECAUSE I HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE RIVER KEEPER.

I WILL START A RIVER KEEPER PROGRAM HERE BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE STRONGLY IN THE SHORELINE AND I BELIEVE WHAT COLEMAN SAID, IT WILL ONLY BENEFIT THE MARINA ANY WAY FOR THAT WHOLE SHORELINE. I SAID MY LITTLE PIECE OF THE BOAT RAMP. PART ARE OF THE WATERFRONT A PIECE OF RECREATIONAL BOATS. PART OF A WATERFRONT AND PART OF A WORKING WATERFRONT AND HOPEFULLY COME BACK TO THE DISCUSSION OF THE BOAT RAMP ANOTHER DAY.

SCOTT KIND OF TOUCHED A LITTLE BIT ON THE BOAT PARKING.

MY CONCERN -- AND AGAIN I THINK MAYOR LEDNOVICH SUM IT UP NICELY. BUT THE BOAT TRAILERS AND BOAT PARKING FOR THE RAMP MOVES ALL THE WAY TO THE END.

HUGE CONCERN. THE BOAT RAMP IS IN THE MIDDLE AND WE CHOSE ON THE CONCEPTUAL DELINE MOVE THE BOAT TRAILER PARKING ALL THE WAY TO THE OPPOSITE.

THE OPPOSITE END AND WE HOLD THAT IN THE BACK OF OUR HEADS TOO TO FIGURE OUT WHY. AND IS IT GOING TO BE CONDUCIVE TO PEOPLE WITH TRAILERS AND ALREADY THERE IS PEOPLE WHO WORK AND DROP THEIR BOAT IN.

WE NEED TO KEEP AN EYE ON THAT.

THE OTHER PIECE IS, WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE AT OUR OTHER MEETINGS AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE FOLLOW UP TO IT.

WE ALL KIND OF MADE A COMMITMENT THAT WE BELIEVE IN SMALL DINGY ON-LAND PARKING WITH PADDLEBOARDS.

I WOULD LIKE THE MEMBERS' INPUT HOWEVER WE CAN DO THAT THROUGH THE SUNSHINE LAW TO GET A PIECE ON THAT TO PRESENT

IT ALSO. >> IN THE PAST WE HAVE WENT THROUGH JOE. CAN WE GO THROUGH YOU?

>> TAYLOR IS THE ONE TO WORK ON THAT.

>> I WILL WORK WITH HIM. MAKES ME WANT TO GET THAT

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PIECE. >> TO GET STUFF TO HIM.

>> ANOTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO GET AN ANSWER ON IS I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT IS THE MARINA PROPERTY LINE. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO KNOW THAT. BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU, EVERY TIME WE TALK ABOUT THE MARINA, TO ME IT IS LIKE GERRY GERRYMANDERING. THIS IS CARVED OUT IN PIECES AND WHO OWNS THAT AND CONVENIENTLY WRAP THEM UP IN A CONVERSATION, HOW THEY ARE GOING TO BE PAID.

ALL THIS DEBT AND ALL THE LITTLE PIECES THAT ARE CARVED OUT I WOULD LUKE TO GET A REALLY GOOD UNDERSTANDING.

>> I UNDERSTAND THE MARINA FROM THAT BULK HEAD WEST.

ANYTHING FROM THE BULK HEAD EAST IS PARKS AND RECREATION.

AM I NOT CORRECT, MIKE? >> THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING.

>> ANYTHING TO THE EAST OF THE BULK HEAD IS MARINA.

ANYTHING WEST AND ANYTHING EAST A PARKS AND RECREATION.

>> THE MARINA IS BASICALLY THE DOCKS.

>> AND WE NEVER MAKE ANY MO MONEY.

>> INCLUDES THE DECK. >> FOR THE MARINA ENTERPRISE FUND. TECHNICALLY.

I KNOW IT IS ALL COMING FROM A BIG POT.

>> I AM TIRED OF THIS TACTICALLY.

AND NOT YOU, COLEMAN. >> A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION.

>> THE OTHER DAY I WENT TO THE HISTORICAL SOCIETY MEETING -- THE WAY PAUL THINKS BUT NOT THE RIGHT THING.

I WAS TRYING TO ASK THE HDHC HAS ANYBODY TRY TO MAKE -- I HAVE A LET HEAR THIS I AM GOING TO WRITE AND SEND IT TO THE MAYOR. HAS ANYBODY EVER THOUGHT ABOUT DESIGNATING OR LANDMARKING FEDERALLY OR STATEWYE WIDE AS A HISTORIC LANDMARK OR TREASURE.

HARD TO FIND WHERE THAT LINE IS.

ACCORDING TO THE HDC, THERE WERE SOME ATTEMPTING TO DO THAT AND IT DIDN'T MAKE IT THROUGH I GUESS THE THRESHOLD PERIOD. I COMMITTED TO LOOK AT THE

PAPERWORK. >> TALKING ABOUT THE MARINA?

>> OR THE WATERFRONT. TRYING TO DEFINE THE MARINA.

THE WATERFRONT BUT JUST SEEMS HISTORICALLY WITH ALL THE TRADITION WE HAVE HAD HERE WITH BEING THE GATEWAY TO FLORIDA BACK IN THE 70S. I KNOW WE HAVE THAT TEEPEE LOOKING THING FOR BEING PART OF THE MODERN SHRIMP INDUSTRY.

I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY OR HOW THAT KIND OF STRUGGLED GETTING SOME KIND OF HISTORICAL --

>> YOU WILL RUN INTO A MAJOR PROBLEM IF YOU GET THAT DESIGNATED. IF YOU THINK THE PERMITTING IS

A -- >> PERMIT SOMETHING ALWAYS BAD WITH A GOVERNMENT. BUREAUCRACY IS ALWAYS A BUREAUCRACY. ALSO, JOE, WHEN YOU DESIGNATE THINGS, ALSO THE BENEFIT OF GRANTS TOO.

BUT KIND OF GOES ALONG WHAT GERALD WAS SAYING WHEN WE ARE DONE AND LIFT THE CURTAIN -- THE CITY LIFTS THAT CURTAIN OFF THE WATERFRONT. WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE MORE RETAIL SPACE GIVEN TO THE BUSINESSES OR GIVEN BACK TO THE MARINA AND GIVEN BACK TO THE WATERFRONT.

I THINK YOU JUST HAVE TO BE CAME ON -- ON WHERE AND HOW EVERYTHING IS GETTING DIVIDED OUT THERE.

>> REMEMBER THAT WHOLE MARINA WAS COMMERCIAL FOR A LONG, LONG, LONG TIME BUT WAS IT COMMERCIAL IN THE SENSE OF SELLING NECKLACES OR SHRIMP, FISH, LUMBER.

IS THAT RETAIL SPACE GOING TO BE.

>> THERE IS RETAIL SPACE PROPOSED NOW.

IS THE RETAIL SPACE GOING TO BE TO SUPPORT THE CONCEPT OF A

MARITIME CONCEPT OR -- >> WHERE IS THE RETAIL SPACE

THEIR TALKING ABOUT? >> TWO DESIGNATION ON THE NEW DRAWINGS AS FAR AS RETAIL SPACE.

>> ONE IS WHERE CHARLIE'S IS AND THE OTHER ONE.

>> WHERE THE TRAILER BOAT PARKING IS.

>> THEN AGAIN, THAT IS NOT THE MAN REINA.

WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN TOLD -- >> THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO GET.

I AM SIT ON THIS BOARD AND TALKING.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IN THE RIGHT CON TECH THAT I AM NOT WASTING OUR -- I WILL WASTE SOMEBODY ELSE'S TIME SOMEWHERE ELSE. BUT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE I JUST FEEL LIKE THE THINGS FOR THE MARINA ARE MISSING AND WHEN THE MARINA ARE STRUGGLING AND HAVING A HARD TIME WE SAY THAT THE TAXPAYERS ARE TAKING THE BURDEN FOR THE MARINA AND BUILDING ALL THESE OTHER THINGS UP AROUND THE MARINA. LIKE BUILDING AN APARTMENT

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COMPLEX. >> I CAN SEE WHAT THAT IS GOING TO DO TO TAKE AWAY PARKING AND GOING TO COST -- NO MONEY COMING BACK FOR THAT PARK UNLESS THE CITY RENTS OUT THE STAGE, THE BATON. THE CITY WILL GET THAT MONEY.

THE MARINA WILL NOT GET THE MONEY.

WITH THE KINGFISH TOURNAMENT. WHENEVER THEY LEASE OUT THAT PARKING SPOT, THE MARINA IS NOT GETTING THE MONEY.

>> MIGHT BE AN IDEA TO GO BACK THROUGH THE LEGAL PAPER WORK OVER THE YEARS AND FIND OUT HOW THAT AREA WAS TURNED OVER TO THE PARKS AND REC. BECAUSE LOGICALLY IT SHOULD BE

ALL PART OF THE MARINA. >> THE MARINA WAS SOLD OR LEASED TO JOE LICKSSON, TOOK OUT PARKS AND RECREATION.

ALL PARK AND RECREATION BACK THEN AND WHEN THE CITY TOOK IT BACK. IT WAS AN ENTERPRISE, I BELIEVE, BECAUSE THEY STUB S SUBBED IT OUT.

AND THAT'S WHEN BRETT'S GOT IT.

>> I CAN MAYBE ENLIGHTEN AND GO FURTHER.

THE INTENT WITH THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE RETAIL FRONT ALONG THE WATERFRONT.

WHEN THAT COLLAPSED AND CHANGED THE CITY GOT THE SAME REAL ESTATE WITH THE SAME NOT TO MAKE ANY MONEY.

HAD THE FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY OF STILL MAINTAINING ALL OF THAT NONREVENUE LAND.

THE PROCESS DURING MY TIME IS TO ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSION IF THAT IS GOING TO BE PARK AREA, MAKE IT A PARK.

TAKE IT OUT OF THE MARINA BUDGET.

I KNOW I KEEP SAYING AND HARPING ON THIS.

IF YOU WERE TRYING TO RUN AN ENTERPRISE FUND, THESE GUYS, THE MONEY HAS GOT TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE.

AND PART OF THIS IS EXPENSES. IF WE CAN TAKE THE EXPENSES OUT OF THE ENTERPRISE FUND, YES THE TAXPAYER HAVE BEEN SUBSIDIZING AND BE HONEST AND KEEP IT IN THE PARKS.

WE ARE PRETTY WELL DEFINED AS YOU SAID THE BULKHEAD.

THE QUESTION REMAINS THE DECK. IT IS A FINANCIAL LIABILITY FOR MARINE OPERATIONS. CAN'T BE A REVENUE PROVIDER.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I WILL ALWAYS TRY TO PUSH TO TAKE ANYTHING THAT IS A NONREVENUE POTENTIAL AND COST TO THE ENTERPRISE FUND AND PUT IT TO -- A PUBLIC AREA.

A PUBLIC SPACE. IT IS GREAT.

WONDERFUL. IT IS A RECREATION ELEMENT AND SHOULD BE PART OF RECREATION. I KNOW I SOUND LIKE I KEEP TRYING TO SPLIT HAIRS BUT ONE OF THE THINGS TRYING TO DO MAKE THIS SEEM SOLID AND ONE OF THE WAYS IS TAKE THE EXPENSES AND TOP PUTTING THE BURDEN ON THE OPERATOR.

YOU KNOW WHO WILL PAY FOR THE DECK, THE BOATERS.

>> YOU AND I KNOW THE ONLY WAY TO EVER MAKE ANY MONEY IN THIS WHOLE MARINA IS TO GAIN A LITTLE MORE DIRT AND AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE PRIVATE INDUSTRY AND THE GOVERNMENT TO FIGURE OUT A PLAN TO DEVELOP THAT WHERE IT MAKES MONEY.

>> THAT IS THE -- >> BRETT'S IS WHERE IT IS TO THAT QUESTION. THE WELCOME STATION IS TORN DOWN. BECAME A RESTAURANT.

GRANTED THAT DEAL WAS A TERRIBLE ONE BUT THAT IS A MONEY-MAKING OPPORTUNITY. IF THE MARINA WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR BRETT'S, WILL DERIVE THE INCOME.

THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND LEASES OUT AND GETS THE REVENUES FROM BRETT AND MAINTAINING AND DEALS WITH IT.

WE -- AS YOU SAY GET THAT LINE CLARIFIED AND I WANT TO DO IT

BASED ON THE ENTERPRISE FUND. >> IF PARKS AND REC MAKES MONEY, OKAY. AND THE MARINA DOESN'T, WELL SOME OF THE MONEY THAT THE PARKS AND REC IS MAKING BECAUSE OF THE MARINA. SO YOU WOULD THINK THAT THE PARKS AND REC WOULD FUND, YOU KNOW, PART OF THEIR BUDGET

INTO THE MARINA. >> BUT THAT IS NOT GOING TO

HAPPEN. >> NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

>> I AM TRYING TO BE SUPPORTIVE.

I DIDN'T MEAN TO HIJACK YOUR. >> NO, NO, I JUST REALLY WANTED TO GET THAT OUT THERE. THAT CONVERSATION IS A PERENNIAL CONVERSATION. I HAIR IT CIRCLING AROUND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. , AND I TELL YOU I GET A LITTLE FRUSTRATED WHEN I HEAR OF THE TAXPAYERS TAKING THE BURDEN FOR THAT MARINA. I TELL YOU WHAT, I GUARANTEE IT. YOU PUT A CURTAIN UP.

IF YOU PUT A RAIL UP AND TOLD A LOT OF THOSE TAXPAYERS THEY COULDN'T GO TO THAT MARINA. DO IT TOMORROW.

SET UP A RAILING AND TELL PEOPLE THEY CAN'T GO TAKE PICTURES AND I WILL TELL THAT YOU A LOT OF THE SAME

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THAT IS A HUGE PUBLIC ASSET. >> I COULD COME DOWN AND WATCH THE SUNSET OPINION TAKE PICTURES OF THE BIRDS.

>> SEE THE FISHERMEN COMING IN WITH THEIR CATCH.

I GUESS I JUST REALLY NEED TO KNOW WHERE IS THAT LINE.

BECAUSE IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE CONVENIENCE OUT THERE.

WE WANT THIS. WE WANT THIS TO GENERATE REVENUE AND TAKE CARE OF THIS OTHER STAKEHOLDER AND ALL INTO THE OTHER STAKEHOLDER. THE WAY IT MIXES OUT WITH THE WATERFRONT. I AM NOT ARGUING WITH THE OTHER ELEMENTS. I AM FIGURING OUT HOW THAT IS COMING BACK. WE LONG AT COLLABORATION AS A KEY TO ANYTHING THAT IS SUCCESSFUL AND HOW ARE THE COURTS, THE BANDSHELL, THE OBSERVATORY DECK.

HOW IS THAT ALL COMING IN TO SUSTAIN THAT PIECE OF PUBLIC REAL ESTATE. THAT'S WHAT I AM GETTING AT.

>> BACK TO WHAT I SAID. THERE NEEDS TO BE A WATERFRONT LOOK NOT A MARINA AND A PARK AND A BRETT'S.

IT IS ALL ONE HOLISTIC THING. THERE NEEDS TO BE AN APPROACH -- WE NEED TO START TAKING AN APPROACH THAT LOOKS AT THE WHOLE THING AND SUGGESTED THIS WATERFRONT ADVISORY GROUP OR SOME GROUP THAT IS REALLY GOING TO WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT IT ALL FITS TOGETHER. IT CAN FIT TOGETHER BUT HAVE TO THE STAKEHOLDERS FOR THE DIFFERENT PARTS.

RIGHT NOW STOVE PIPES. MARINA STOVEPIPE.

PARKS AND RECREATION STOV STOVEPIPE.

BRETT'S STOVEPIPE. EVERYTHING IS RUNNING IN ITS OWN CHANNEL. I GUARANTEE YOU IF WE CONTINUE DOWN THAT PATH, WE WILL SPEND BOAT LOADS OF MONEY AND END UP WITH SOMETHING THAT NOBODY LIKES.

>> HERE IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH THE IDEA OF THE COMMITTEE.

REMEMBER THIS COMMITTEE CAME INTO EXISTENCE AFTER ALL THE CONTRACTS FIXING THAT MARINA WAS ALREADY SET IN STONE.

AND WE KEPT BRINGING UP OVER AND OVER AGAIN OUR CONCERNS,

REMEMBER, ALL THE WAY ALONG. >> BUT WE ARE AT A POINT NOW WITH THE WATERFRONT THAT NO CONTRACTS HAVE BEEN SIGNED YET

OTHER THAN STUDY CONTRACTS. >> I WOULD BE WILLING TO BET THAT THE CITY COMMISSIONERS WILL COME UP WITH THAT COMMITTEE RIGHT AFTER THE CONTRACT ARE SET.

>> THIS IS OUT OF OUR HANDS. >> LET'S ADJOURN.

HOW ABOUT THAT. >> LET'S PUT -- LET'S PUT ON THE AGENDA FOR LOOKING INTO A SIGN TO -- WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST YEAR. PUT A SIGN WELCOME TO THE MARINA AND WE STILL HAVE NOT HAD THAT AND THAT HAS BEEN

OVER THE YEAR. >> ONE OF MY LIST AND THE FIRST THING I NOTICED WHEN CAME HERE.

>> LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN. WE DID IT LAST YEAR AND GONE ON DEAF EARS. AND HAVE A SIGN FOR THE HISTORICAL HARBOR MARINA. AND THEN MOTION TO ADJOURN.

>> MOTION. >> SECOND.

>> FEBRUARY 22. >> THANK YOU.

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