Jan 12, 2021 Parks & Recreation Advisory Committee

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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>>>. >>> JANUARY 12, 2021, PARKS & RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

[4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]

>> DO I HEAR A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES, THE SUBCOMMITTEE AND REGULAR?

>> SO MOVED. >> SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR?

[5. ELECTION OF OFFICERS]

>> N. >> ITEM 5, THE PARKS & RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE BYLAWS, THE ELECTION OF OFFICERS IS HELD ANNUALLY IN JANUARY. THE FLOOR IS OPEN FOR NOMINATIONS FOR THE CHAIR PERSON. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY AGAIN THAT MY SITUATION WITH WHO I LIVE WITH MAKES THIS AN UNUSUAL ARRANGEMENT SO IF ANYONE WANTS

THIS JOB, PLEASE TAKE IT. NOMINATIONS ARE OPEN. >> I MOVE THAT FAITH ROSS BE

CHAIRMAN. >> IF I COULD MAKE A COMMENT. I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERN FOR THAT BUT I THINK YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES, THE COMMITTEE, REGARDLESS OF YOUR AFFILIATION OF THE HONORABLE COMMISSIONER, AND ALSO THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE OTHER PEOPLE ON COMMITTEES ACROSS THE CITY. I THINK YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE ENOUGH DISCRETION TO SEPARATE THOSE TWO. JUST MY THOUGHTS ON IT.

>> OKAY. YOU'VE BEEN DOING AN OUTSTANDING JOB ALL RIGHT.

>> ANYBODY WHO IS WILLING TO WORK THAT HARD DESERVES IT. >> DO I HEAR A SECOND?

>> SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR? >>> I NOMINATE MS. JEAN PUGH.

>> SECOND. >> ALL IN FAVOR. >> AYE.

>> THANK YOU. ITEM 6, PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE ADD YEARNS WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT AT THIS TIME? MOVING ALONG.

[7.1 Facility Naming Ordinance and Nomination Form]

THE FORM AND THE FACILITY ORDINANCE? >> I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.

>> SECOND IT. >> ALL IN FAVOR. >> AYE.

>> THANK YOU. >> EXCUSE ME. COULD I ASK AN INFORMATIONAL

QUESTION I GUESS OF SCOTT. >> SURE. >> WAS THERE A ROOM NAMED AFTER

SOMEBODY AT THE PECK CENTER REGENTLY? >> A WHAT?

A MEETING ROOM OR SPACE THAT WAS RENAMED? >> YES.

>> YES. >> THAT WAS PROBABLY IN THE PROCESS ALREADY SO IT WAS TOO

LATE TO DO. >> IT'S BEEN IN PROCESS FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS.

>> OKAY. BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW -- [INAUDIBLE] SOMEBODY VERY

DESERVES OBVIOUSLY WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THE BACKGROUND. >> THE LIBRARY?

>> THE [INAUDIBLE] SECTION. I DIDN'T KNOW BECAUSE I KNOW YOU COULD ASK AT THE LAST MEETING IF THE COMMISSION WOULD CONSIDER A MORATORIUM UNTIL THEY GOT SOMETHING IN ORDER AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAD ANY WEIGHT OR MEANT ANYTHING OR WAS CONSIDERED.

>> IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME. >> I DON'T MEAN THAT.

I MEAN MOVING FORWARD. >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> AFTER TODAY I'M ASSUMING THAT

THIS WILL BE TAKEN BY PARKS & RECREATION TO THE CITY MANAGER. >> YES.

WE'LL PRESENT THE CITY MANAGER AND WE'LL REVIEW IT WILL AND PRESENT IT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY

AND THE COMMISSION BEFORE IT DOES ANYTHING. >> OKAY.

[7.2 Work Plan]

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THANK YOU. >> 7.2, PARK PLAN. I PUT THE THINGS ON THERE FROM THE MINUTES AND I'M GLAD SOMEONE POINTED OUT TO ME THAT SOMEONE'S APPROVAL WAS IN NOVEMBER OF 2019. DO YOU STILL WANT TO STATE THAT WILLS AS 2-19 OR LEAVE IT ALONE?

>> MAYBE JUST NOVEMBER OF 2-19. WE DIDN'T GET TO REPORT ON 19 EITHER.

>> IT'S UP TO YOU. >> DO YOU WANT IT INCLUDED? INCLUDE IT.

GET IT ON THE RECORD. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD TO THE COMPLETED IN THE YEAR 2020? OBVIOUSLY WE'LL CLEAN UP THE WORDING.

OKAY. 2021 DISCUSSION. THERE'S SOME ITEMS ON HERE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO TACKLE OR NOT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS IN THE BUDGET AS ONE OF THE GOALS FROM PARKS & RECREATION WAS THE CEMETERY.

THERE ARE A LIMITED NUMBER OF BURIAL PLOTS LEFT AND WE OFFER NO OTHER SERVICES FOR CREAM MATING AND OTHER TYPES OF THINGS. THE CEMETERY IS UNDER THE PARKS & RECREATION. I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF THE COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO ASSIST WITH THIS ALONG WITH -- THERE'S ALSO A BROWNS MAINTENANCE CONCERN.

THERE'S LITERATURE OUT THERE ABOUT BEST PRACTICES FOR GROUNDS CARE FOR CEMETERIES.

IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO HELP WORK ON THAT, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN. THERE'S SOME OTHER THINGS ON HERE.

SOME OF THESE THINGS WE'RE TOLD TO DO BY THE RESOLUTION, THE COMP PLAN AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS AND REVIEWING THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. IF YOU ARE OKAY WITH WHAT IS IN HERE, IF YOU WANT TO ADD SOMETHING, IF YOU WANT TO GET RID OF SOMETHING.

YOU DON'T WANT TO WORK ON IT. I FULLY UNDERSTAND. IT'S GOING TO BE A FULL PLATE.

A REALLY FULL PLATE, TO BE HONEST. >> UHM.

>> ANY THOUGHTS? >> YES. >> I THINK THAT GROUNDS CARE IS A WONDERFUL SUBJECT TO WORK ON AND THAT I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF ENCOURAGING PERHAPS DEVELOPMENT, TRAINING, EDUCATION APPOINTED TO LOYAL AND COMPUTER A TENT EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE BEEN DEDICATED THEMSELVES TO THE GROUNDS SO THEY CAN EXPANDS THEIR HORIZONS AND MAKE US ALL

PROUD. >> I'M WITH YOU ON THAT ONE. >> THERE'S NOT, IN THIS LIST, IT DOESN'T TALK ABOUT THE KOLBAIRREEUM. DO WE WANT TO A ADD SOMETHING THAT WE'RE -- IN SOME WAY WE WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN? THE DEVELOPMENT OF IT?

>> UH-HUH. [INAUDIBLE]. >> AND OTHER ASPECTS OF THE

CEMETERY. >> YES. >> WHEN IT SAYS CREATE AND APPROVE A BUSINESS PLAN FOR THE CEMETERY, ALL OF THOSE THINGS WILL BE INCLUDED?

>> OKAY. FINE. >> OKAY.

THE REASON WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS IS, AND I KNOW THAT WHEN I -- I JUST SENT THIS OUT JUST YESTERDAY. I THINK IT WAS LAST -- I DON'T REMEMBER.

BETWEEN THE [INAUDIBLE] FRIENDS AND THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION, THEY ARE CONCERNED, ALONG WITH THE PARKS & RECREATION BECAUSE WE'RE NOT SELLING ENOUGH LOTS. WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PRODUCT TO SELL EITHER TO CONTINUE TO PAY FOR THE MAINTENANCE, TO HAVE IT BEING SELF-SUPPORTIVE.

SO IT'S IN OUR BEST INTEREST TO ASSIST WITH THIS AND IMPROVE THE REVENUE STREAM BECAUSE THAT

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SO, YES? >> I WASN'T SURE WHERE I SAW IT BUT I THOUGHT I SAW SOMETHING IN HERE ABOUT GENERATING A REVENUE STREAM THROUGH HISTORIC TOURISTS, THROUGH THE -- OKAY.

THAT'S A PHENOMENAL IDEA, TO ME. NOW, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AWARE JUST PRIOR TO THE CHRISTMAS HOLIDAY I SAW THAT THERE WAS A TOUR GROUP OF SCOOTERS THAT WERE DENIED ACCESS TO [INAUDIBLE] AND THEY WANTED TO GO THROUGH IT AND I WASN'T SURE WHAT THE -- WHAT THE REACTION NOW WAS.

WAS IT BECAUSE THERE WAS MULTIPLE GROUPS? WHAT WAS THE ISSUE THERE?

>> I THINK THE ISSUE WAS NOISE. >> NOISE. OKAY.

>> YES. THERE HAVE BEEN TOURISTS AT THE CEMETERY, PERSONAL TOURS BY FOOT

WHICH ARE FINE. >> RIGHT. >> THERE WERE SOME PEOPLE -- THE FRIENDS OF THE BASKABELLOA CEMETERY DID A SURVEY AND THEY ASKED ABOUT IT, IF THEY MIND, AND THERE WASN'T MANY OBJECTTIONS. THERE WAS A FEW THAT THOUGHT NO TOURS AT ALL BUT MOST OF THE PUBLIC WAS FINE WITH IT. AS LONG AS WE KEEP IT QUIET.

THERE WAS CORN CONCERNS ABOUT LARGE GROUPS OF PEOPLE . I THINK WITH THE ELECTRONIC TOUR YOU ONLY -- THEY SHOW UP WHENEVER. THEY ONLY HAVE A FAMILY.

THEY COME. THEY TAKE ONE OR TWO PARKING SPACES AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S DONE AND OVER WITH. SO YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A GUIDE SAYING ANYTHING.

THEY ARE ON THE PHONE. IT'S QUIET. THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY REAL

OBJECTION TO IT AND SO FAR -- YES, MICHAEL? >> SCOTT.

PEOPLE CALL ME MICHAEL ALL THE TIME THINKING IT'S MY LAST NAME. IN ADDITION TO THAT, OF TOURS, PRIVATE TOURS MAKING MONEY ON CITY PROPERTY, THEY MIGHT CHARGE FOR THE TOUR.

>> UH-HUH. >> WE ARE HAVING THIS ISSUE CURRENTLY LIKE WITH INSTRUCTORS IN OUR PARKS AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE EXACT WAY TO GO ABOUT TRYING TO CONTROL THAT.

WHAT WE DO WITH A LOT OF OUR INSTRUCTORS IS WE DO A STANDARD 80/20 SPLIT SO WHAT WELD LIKE TO DO IS MAKE SURE THESE PEOPLE HAVE THEIR INSURANCE AND ALSO THEY WOULD REGISTER THROUGH US AND THE CITY AS A RENTAL-TYPE FEE, AND WOULD TAKE A STANDARD 20 PERCENT OF THAT REVENUE THAT COMES IN, LIKE WE DO FOR KARATE, TENNIS, ART CLASSES THAT WE DO. THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE.

>> SCOTT, WHEN YOU SAY INSTRUCTORS, WHAT ARE THEY INSTRUCTING?

ARE THEY GIVING A TOUR? >> WELL, I GUESS I CATEGORIZE THEM AS INSTRUCTORS.

IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THEY ARE BUT MAKING MONEY ON CITY PROPERTY IS THE MAIN ISSUE.

>> WOULDN'T THAT BE TRUE OF ANY TOUR? I MEAN, IF YOU GIVE A TOUR OF

THE CITY, I MEAN, SOME OF THOSE PLACES WOULD BE CITY PROPERTY. >> RIGHT.

BUT I BELIEVE SOME OF THEM HAVE AGREEMENTS WITH, YOU KNOW, THE CITY.

I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT PER SE. >> I'M ASSUMING BECAUSE IT'S CITY PROPERTY BUT IS IT LISTED

AS HISTORIC PROPERTY ALSO? HISTORIC LANDMARK? >> NOT RIGHT NOW.

IT'S NOT. COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> IT'S NOT A NATIONAL REGISTRY AND IT'S NOT IN THE -- I'M NOT -- I CAN'T REMEMBER IF IT'S IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OR NOT.

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>> . >> RIGHT. >> AND THE CITY [INAUDIBLE] DID

NOT WANT TO [INAUDIBLE]. >> I PERSONALLY HAVE GIVEN TOURS OF THE DELANEY FAMILY THAT'S IN THERE AND MY OTHER -- THE OTHER SIDE OF MY FAMILY, WHICH IS THE [INAUDIBLE] WHO WAS A CITY

COUNCILMAN, AND SO IT WAS A PERSONAL TOUR. >> RIGHT.

THAT HAS ITS OWN TOPIC BUT IT'S THE COMPANIES OUT THERE TRYING TO MAKE MONEY DOING THAT IS WHAT

THE ISSUE IS. >> QUESTIONS? >> YES.

COMMISSIONER ROSS, WAS IT YOU THAT BROUGHT YOU TRYING TO FIND A HISTORIC REGISTER DESIGNATION

FOR THE CEMETERY? >> WE'RE WORKING ON THAT. >> OKAY.

IS THAT SOMETHING THIS COMMITTEE COULD HELP WITH? I JUST AM LOOKING IN TERMS OF

[INAUDIBLE] AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S. >> TO BE HONEST, GET ALL THAT

OTHER STUFF DONE -- NATIONAL REGISTRY IS A HUGE UNDERTAKING. >> I'M SURE IT IS.

>> IT'S A GREAT IDEA. AND IF WE ADD IT TO THE AGENDA, I'LL HELP.

>> A THOUSAND HOURS? FROM DOING IT EVEN IF IT'S NOT ON THE WORK PLAN. THAT WOULD BE A WONDERFUL THING,

IF SOMEONE WOULD DEDICATE THEIR TIME TO THAT. >> I THOUGHT IT WAS A REALLY COOL IDEA UNTIL I LOOKED INTO WHAT IT TAKES AND THERE'S VERY FEW CEMETERIES ON THE NATIONAL

REGISTRY. >> FOR A REASON. >> IT'S A BIG DEAL.

IT TAKES A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF TIME AND IT'S UNLIKELY THAT THEY WOULD APPROVE IT.

THAT WAS THE TWO-HOUR LOOK-INTO-IT. THERE'S MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO

BE DONE. >> WHO IS THE APPROVAL AUTHORITY FOR THAT?

>> THE FEDS BUT I DON'T REMEMBER WHO. >> IT'S FEDERAL.

>> DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR MAYBE. >> IN THAT CASE, IF THIS WORK PLAN -- NOBODY HAS A PROBLEM WITH IT THEN I'LL GO AHEAD ON THE 19TH TO A CITY COMMISSION AND LET THEM KNOW WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO. IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU WANT ME TO INCLUDE BEFORE THAT, WOULD YOU JUST SEND ME AN EMAIL, IF SOMETHING COMES YOU URGENT THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM,

LET ME KNOW. >> MAKE SURE YOU SEND IT TO [INAUDIBLE] AND MYSELF AND LISA.

>> YES. I DO NOT WANT IT. >> IS THERE ANYONE -- I'M GOING TO ASK THIS NOW. I WAS GOING TO WAIT UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING BUT I'LL ASK IT NOW. IS THERE ANYONE INTERESTED IN WORKING ON THE BUSINESS PLAN? WE HAD A BUSINESS PERSON HERE AND AN ACCOUNTANT TYPE AND WE HAVE A LANDSCAPE PERSON AND WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE TO DO POLICY. WOULD THERE BE ANYONE WHO WOULD BE WILLING TO WORK ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE FOR THE BUSINESS PLAN?

>> I'LL BE ON THE SUBCOMMITTEE. I DON'T WANT TO CHAIR IT. >> IS THIS FOR THE CEMETERY?

>> YES, FOR THE CEMETERY. >> WE HAVE ONE VOLUNTEER. ALL RIGHT.

>> WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO ACHIEVE IN A BUSINESS PLAN. >> A BUSINESS PLAN.

PRESENTLY, AND IF YOU GET A CHANCE YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR MIND ABOUT IT, BUT WITH THAT INFORMATION THAT I JUST SAID, WITH ALL OF THE PRICING AND ALL OF THAT INFORMATION, WE NEED TO FINALIZE THINGS AND GIVE DIRECTION TO PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE BOSKABELLOA GROUP AND THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION GROUP. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THAT, I THINK IT WOULDN'T TAKE ALL THAT MUCH TIME BUT IT WOULD GIVE THEM A SENSE OF WHERE THEY NEED TO GO TO HELP US OUT.

>> I'LL HELP WITH THAT. >> OKAY. >> I'LL HELP WITH THAT.

>> THANK YOU, BILL AND JEAN. >> ITEM 7.3, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.

[7.3 Capital Improvement Plan]

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IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT CONCERNS YOU. >> I KNOW THERE WAS A WHOLE LIST, YOU KNOW, OF ALL THE CAPITAL PROJECT PLANS EVEN IN THE COMING YEARS BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO LOOK AT THE ONE THAT YOU HAD PROVIDED SCOTT. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS

THAT. >> I DON'T THINK WE DO. >> DID THEY ATTACH THE AGENDA

TO? >> IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE SPREADSHEET WITH ALL OF THE.

>> THIS IS THE EXISTING ONE. >> THAT IS THE EXISTING FISCAL YEAR 2020 AND 2021.

>> THOSE ARE ALREADY. >> THOSE ARE ALREADY APPROVED. >> WAS THERE ANY WAY TO BREAK OUT IN THAT BIG LIST THE ONES YOU ARE PROPOSING FOR '21, '22? THEY WERE FOR ALL AND

[INAUDIBLE]. >> SO WHAT NAN INFORMED ME WAS THAT SOMETHING -- BASICALLY IN NOVEMBER THIS IS SOMETHING NEW THIS YEAR THAT SHE TOOK THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, THE EXISTING CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN WHICH IS CONSTANTLY -- IT CAN BE UPDATED AND THINGS TAKEN OFF AND PUT ON AND WOULD PUT INTO THE SINGLE FORM SHEETS OF -- THIS WAS BACK IN NOVEMBER.

AND I BELIEVE WHAT THIS IS FOR IS THE COMMISSION HAS A VISIONING MEETING I BELIEVE

TOWARDS THE END OF JANUARY. >> THE 27TH. >> AND THESE ARE GOING TO BE PROVIDED TO THEM IN A PACKET SO THAT THEY CAN I GUESS HAVE MORE INFORMATION ON THESE PRIOR TO THAT MEETING AND WHAT WOULD MOVE FORWARD AND WHAT WOULD NOT MOVE FORWARD.

LIKE I SAID, A LOT OF THESE THAT WERE IN THIS PACKET THAT WAS SENT TO YOU GUYS IS, YOU KNOW, THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT I FEEL IS MOVING TOWARDS NOT MUCH MORE QUARTERBACK NOT A LOT MORE GROWTH BUT TAKING CARE OF THE STUFF THAT WE HAVE AND -- WHICH IS STILL A LARGE EXPENSE, AS YOU CAN SEE WITH SOME OF THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT AND POOL FEATURES. MOST OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT STUFF MOVING FORWARD OR BUDGETING FOR IS MAINTENANCE AND REPAIRING ITEMS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE.

>> I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THERE WAS TWO DIFFERENT FUNDS THAT THIS IS COMING OUT OF.

THE 300, THE GENERAL FUND BECAUSE THOSE ARE THINGS WE REPLACE AND THEN THERE'S THE 310 FUND WHICH IS THE IMPACT FEE SO IF YOU PICKED THAT UP FROM THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, YOU CAN SEE -- I LIKE THIS. IT TELLS ME WHAT IT IS AND WHY YOU'RE DOING IT. AND IT ALSO SAYS WHO IS IN CHARGE OF IT, SO IF YOU HAVE A

QUESTION YOU CAN GET AHOLD OF THAT PERSON. >> MY RECOMMENDATION IS FOR YOU ALL TO CONSTANTLY REVIEW THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND IF YOU HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS THAT SHOULD GO ON, IT SHOULD BE TAKEN OFF -- YOU ARE ALWAYS IN CONSTANT COMMUNICATION WITH US WHERE WE CAN MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS. IN ADDITION TO THAT, I THINK IN OCTOBER -- SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER WE SHOULD HAVE A MEETING WHERE IT IS PRESENTED TO YOU GUYS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO PUT IN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT OR WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING SO WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU, SO THEN YOU COULD COME TO THE TABLE WITH YOUR THOUGHTS AND YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE TO THE CITY MANAGER TO THE CITY COMMISSION AND YOU CAN GIVE YOUR FEEDBACK AS WE GO FORWARD BECAUSE IF WE HAVE YOUR FEEDBACK AND YOUR APPROVAL THAT'S GOING

TO HELP US MOVING FORWARD AS WELL. >> SCOTT, HOW FREQUENTLY, JUST IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, DOES WHAT YOU REQUESTED FOR THE UPCOMING BUDGET HERE, SAY YOU REQUESTED TEN THINGS UNDER 310, HOW OFTEN DOES THAT GET JUST APPROVED, OR HALF OF IT GETS APPROVED AND YOU PULL SOMETHING ELSE THAT WAS A FUTURE PROJECT? THE REASON I'M ASKING THAT BECAUSE IF THAT'S THE CASE, INITIALLY WOULD MAKE SENSE TO CONCENTRATE ON WHAT THAT IS GOING FOR '21-22 BECAUSE I WOULD ASSUME YOU ARE MAKING THAT REQUEST IN JUNE?

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>> RIGHT. SO FOR '21, '22 THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE -- YES.

YES. >> IS THERE ANY WAY -- OKAY. YOU CURRENTLY HAVE, ON THESE

FORMS, THINGS YOU'RE PLANNING FOR '21 OR '22, RIGHT? >> UH-HUH.

>> IS THERE ANY WAY TO JUST GIVE US THAT LIST? BECAUSE THIS IS.

>> OF COURSE. >> I WANT TO PRINT OFF THE ENTIRE THING.

>> YEAH. I CAN PUT IT IN A SIMPLE SPREAD SHEET.

>> THAT WILL WOULD BE GREAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW THE REST OF THE COMMITTEE FEELS BUT I DON'T WANT TO MISS INPUT INTO WHAT -- AND YOU CLEARLY, YOU AND THE STAFF ARE THE ONES THAT KNOW WHAT THE

NEEDS ARE AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. >> YEAH.

WE CAN PUT IT ON ONE SPREADSHEET JUST LIKE THE ONE THAT YOU HAVE THAT ALREADY EXISTED.

>> OKAY. >> I JUST DON'T THINK YOU GUYS ARE NECESSARILY AWARE OF THE EXISTING ONES FOR THIS PAST YEAR SO IF IT CAN BE MORE TRANSPARENT AND YOU GUYS ARE SEEING WHAT IS GOING TO BE BUDGETED AND HAVE ISSUES WITH WHAT WE'RE GOING TO PREVENTS TO THE CITY MANAGER, CITY COMMISSION, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE YOUR BACK -- YOU'LL HAVE OUR BACKS MOVING FORWARD.

>> RIGHT. >> IT ALSO HELPS, AND I ACCIDENTALLY PRINTED THE WHOLE THING OUT.

THERE WAS CERTAIN THINGS LIKE REPLACING THE ROOF OUT IN '26, SO I SEE IT'S ON THE EVENT PLANNING, THE HORIZON, SO I GET A FEEL FOR SOMEBODY SAT THERE AND MADE THE ASSESSMENT THAT IT

DOESN'T NEED TO BE DONE NOW BUT IN THREE OR FOUR YEARS. >> IN THOSE SHEETS A THE ALTHOUGH OF THAT IS BETWEEN THE MAINTENANCE, JEREMIAH GLIZN, THE MATTER DIRECTOR AND NAN WHERE

HE'LL PROVIDE THOSE DATES. SAME THINGS WITH VEHICLES. >> RIGHT.

I KNOW THAT THE PARKS & RECREATION DEPARTMENT IS ALMOST UNIQUE IN GRAND IMPORTANCE AND VISIBILITY TO THE CITY AND I FEEL AND BELIEVE THAT THIS REPORTING IS SO GREAT THAT I'M WONDERING IF OTHER DEPARTMENTS ARE USING A SIMILAR REPORTING STYLE AND IF THEY'RE NOT PERHAPS THIS COULD BECOME A BEST PRACTICE. IT'S VERY HELPFUL.

>> REPORTING OF? >> THE INTERNAL REPORT YOU HAVE JUST GIVEN US IN TERMS OF THE SPREADSHEET [INAUDIBLE] AND BREAK OUT THE DETAILS, THE FUNDING SOURCES, THE PRIORITY, AND IT MAKES IT ALL SO CLEAR AND I'M HOPING FOR THE SAKE OF THE CITY MANAGER AND OTHERS THAT

OTHER ARE DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR. >> I'M SURE THE CITY MANAGER HAS

GONE THROUGH WITH. >> THEY DO, YES. >> AND I THINK THE TRANSPARENCY HOWEVER HAS NOT BEEN AS GREAT SIMPLY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO ASK FOR AND THE INFORMATION IS THERE. IT'S JUST THAT YOU HAVE TO GO GET IT AND ASK FOR IT.

ONCE YOU ASK FOR IT THEN YOU CAN SET UP PROCEDURES LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO DO NOW WHERE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IN JUNE WE NEED TO PULL THIS STUFF OUT AGAIN AND GO THROUGH IT ALL AND SEE IF WE

APPROVE OF WHAT THEY ARE DOING ACTUALLY. >> WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS TAKE THOSE THAT ARE ON THIS EXISTING, WHERE THERE'S 20 SHEETS AND I'LL PUT IT ON A SPREADSHEET FOR YOU

TO REVIEW. QUESTIONS. >> OKAY.

>> YOU'LL BE ANNOYED BUT THAT'S OKAY. ON THE VERY FIRST ONE THAT SAYS THE FENCE AT [INAUDIBLE] FIELD, IT SAYS THE START DATE IS 2021 BUT THE FUNDING ISN'T UNTIL '22

HOW DOES THAT WORK? >> WHERE IS THE FUNDING ON THERE?

>> DOWN FURTHER. >> SCROLL. >> SO NAN DID ALL THESE.

OH. THAT'S JUST THE FISCAL YEAR. ON THE BOTTOM SHE WHERE IT SAYS FY22, THAT'S THE ENDS, AND THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY IS BUDGETED.

>> THAT'S NOT '22, '23 BUDGET, THAT'S PART OF THE '21 BUDGET? >> YES, MA'AM.

THAT IS CORRECT. >> I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. THE ONE ON THE INSTALL RESTROOMS AT NORTH BEACH PARK, NORTH BEACH PARK, THAT PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

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WE LEASE IT, RIGHT? >> RIGHT. >> YES.

WE LEASE IT. >> SO WE'RE GOING TO BUILD RESTROOMS ON STATE PROPERTY?

>> I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. I MEAN, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION OF HAVING A BATHROOM THERE.

I'M NOT SAYING IT'S GOING TO BE THERE OR NOT. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> THEN YOU HAVE TO PUT SEPTIC SYSTEMS AND TIE INTO SEWERS. IT'S MORE EXTENSIVE.

>> IT COULD BE JUST PLACED IN THERE FOR THE DISCUSSION OF IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY.

>> OKAY. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOMEONE ELSE MAY WANT TO FUND THE

RESTROOMS AND NOT US. >> RIGHT. >> I DO HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION ALONG THIS LINE. I SEE IN THE WORK PLAN ONE OF THE GOALS IS TO POTENTIALLY LOOK AT COST SHARING AVENUES THROUGH COUNSEL AG, AND I ASSUME THAT'S IN TERMS OF PROGRAMMING AND THE COUNTY IN TERMS OF FACILITIES. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CAN TIE INTO THIS BECAUSE -- I SEE WHAT -- WE HAD STUFF FOR CONCESSIONS FOR SOCCER AND SO FORTH AND THAT'S GREAT BUT MAYBE SOMEHOW THESE SHOULD BE COMBINED. IS THERE ANY COST SHARING ON SOME OF THESE OR THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED OR FEES RAISED OR DIFFERENTIAL BECAUSE THOSE ARE CLEARLY -- MOST OF THE FACILITIES ARE SHARED. WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS NUMEROUS TIMES ABOUT THAT AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD PIECE OF THE WORK PLAN AND I THINK IT DOES RELATE TO SOME OF THIS. IT RELATES TO SHARING REVENUE ON CITY-OWNED PORTS, AND THIS STUFF WON'T GET CHEAPER. WE ADDED A NEW PARK AND WATERFRONT PARK AND THOSE ARE

MAINTENANCE. >> THOSE ARE ALWAYS DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY COMMISSION AND THE CITY MANAGER LEVEL, YOU KNOW, CITY RATES, NONCITY RATES, POSSIBLY HAVING THE COUNTY SUBSIDIZE CERTAIN PROGRAMS. THOSE ARE ALWAYS CONVERSATIONS THAT WE DEAL WITH ON A DAILY

BASIS TOO. >> PARTICULARLY, YOU KNOW, THE SOCCER FIELDS AND SO THAT -- A LOT OF -- IT SEEMS LIKE A NUMBER OF -- WE HAVE A NUMBER OF COUNTY PARTICIPANTS SO.

>> WE COULD ADD THAT. THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA, TO ADD THAT TO THE WORK PLAN.

>> I WAS SAYING AS A COMPONENT EVEN OF THIS PROJECT, YOU KNOW, HELPING.

>> THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT? >> YES. RIGHT.

WE'RE PUTTING FENCING UP AND WE'RE PAYING FOR THE WHOLE THING.

>> I KNOW. >> AND SOME OF IT I CAN'T SPEAK TO BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF REVENUES WE'RE DERIVING. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE GET BACK, THE FEES, AND I KNOW WE'RE PAYING FOR WATERING AND LIGHTENING AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT COMES BACK TO US FROM SOME OF

THESE. >> WE USED TO CHARGE FIVE DOLLARS A HEAD FOR NONCITY RESIDENTS AND THEN WE ACTUALLY CHARGED A PORTION OF UTILITIES IN THE PAST.

CURRENTLY WE'RE NOT CHARGING ANYTHING FOR ANY OF THE USE SPORTS.

>> THOSE ARE THINGS THAT THE COMMITTEE MAYBE WANTS TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON AT SOME

POINT. >> YEAH. >> BECAUSE WE'RE PAYING LIGHTING BILLS AND WATERING BILLS AND MOWING THINGS AND THAT'S ALL THE CITY TAXPAYERS, THEY ARE PAYING FOR IT. YOU LOOK AT THE CENSUS STATS, ONLY ABOUT 13 PERCENT OF OUR

POPULATION IS UNDER 18. IT'S VERY SMALL. >> VERY SMALL.

>> SO WE'RE PICKING UP A LOT OF COSTS. >> MR. NORRIS, DID YOU HAVE

SOMETHING? >> I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE RESTROOMS AND [INAUDIBLE].

>> I DO BELIEVE WHAT PROMPTED IT IS WE HAVE WORKERS THERE ALL DAY ALONG WITH THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO

MAY BE TAKING HISTORIC TOURS IN THE FUTURE. >> AND I [INAUDIBLE].

>> TWO FULL-TIME CARETAKERS FOR THE CEMETERY SO THEY ARE THERE ALL DAY.

>> THEY AREN'T ACTUALLY THERE ALL THE TIME. THEY ARE SEASONAL.

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THEY ARE SEASONAL. >> THEY ARE THERE ALL THE TIME. >> I WAS OUT THERE YESTERDAY FOR

TWO HOURS AND THEY WEREN'T THERE. >> I WAS OUT THERE TOO.

I WAS THERE FROM 2:00 TO 4:00. >> OKAY. I MISSED YOU.

THY WERE THERE WHEN I WAS THERE. >> THEY GET OFF AT 2:00. >> OKAY.

>> I THOUGHT I DID SEE SOMEWHERE THAT THE PARKS & RECREATION DEPARTMENT DOES MAKE ADJUSTMENTS WHERE THOSE PEOPLE MIGHT BE PULLED FROM THERE AND USED FOR SOMETHING ELSE ON OCCASION BUT.

>> YEAH. VERY RARELY. >> OKAY.

>> I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. A NEW PAVILION THAT'S ON HERE AT CENTRAL PARK, IS THERE GOING TO BE -- IS THERE PARKING REQUIREMENTS BY PLANNING? I KNOW THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE FOR THE MARINA AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS.

WOULD SOMEONE CHECK AND MAKE SURE THAT WE. >> YES.

>> OKAY. >> WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO AND WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION IS TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THAT SINGLE PAGE AND IF THERE ARE CONCERNS WE CAN

OBVIOUSLY ANSWER THOSE. BUT -- GO AHEAD. >> JUST A QUESTION ON THE CURVE FOR THE EAGAN CREEK PARK WHERE THE WATER IS RUNNING DOWN THE HILL, THE TOP OF THE HILL THERE, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF SHARING THAT? THAT'S NOT A BIG COST BUT THE

PARKS & RECREATION COST TO BE PUT IN AND [INAUDIBLE]. >> SHARING THE COST WITH WHO?

>> THE ROADS DEPARTMENT. >> I ASKED THE SAME QUESTION. >> YES.

POSSIBLY. IT WOULD ALL BE UNDER THE GENERAL FUND, ALL UNDER THE

SAME. >> SAME POT OF MONEY? >> YES.

BUT THOSE DISCUSSIONS ARE PRESENTING YOU WITH THESE, THOSE ARE DISCUSSIONS THAT CAN BE HAD, OR WHAT CAN THE DEPARTMENT DO TO ASSIST WITH THIS DEPARTMENT TO HELP LOWER THE COSTS.

>> I HAVE A COUPLE OF DETAIL QUESTIONS. >> YES.

>> ON A COUPLE OF THESE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT LIKE CENTRAL PARK PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, IT'S $510 AND IT'S LISTED $510,000, AND IT'S LISTED IN FISCAL YEAR '22 BUT ALSO IN FISCAL YEAR '26.

THERE'S TWO OR THREE OF THEM THAT ARE LIKE THAT, IN BOTH PLACES, LISTED IN BOTH PLACES.

IS THAT JUST A TYPO OR SOMETHING? >> COULD BE A [INAUDIBLE] ON THE

EQUIPMENT. >> THAT OR COULD BE A PHASING. >> IN THE COPY IT SAYS THE COST

OF IT IS ESTIMATED AT $510,000. SO IT'S NOT SHOWN AS SPLIT UP. >> JUST TRYING TO -- ONCE SHE

PULLS IT UP HERE. >> THERE'S A COUPLE OF THEM LIKE THAT.

THERE'S ONE RIGHT THERE. IT'S LISTED IN '25 AND ALSO '26. WHAT DOES IT SUM UP TO?

WHAT'S THE TOTAL? >> WHAT'S THE TOTAL UP TOP? >> 95.

IT'S ACTUALLY TWICE THAT ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING.

IF YOU GO. >> THERE'S TWO OR THREE LIKE THAT.

>> IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT, SCOTT, IF YOU GO UP TO THE NEXT ONE, AND THEY SWITCHED A YEAR THEN. OH. THAT WOULD BE -- BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE THE 24-YEAR AT THE BOTTOM, FY BUDGET IS OCTOBER OF '24 AND '25, AND THE TOP ONE, YOU ARE RIGHT, IS '25. THAT WOULD BE '26. IT'S CONFUSING.

>> I WOULD HAVE TO FIND THAT OUT FOR YOU. >> THERE'S THREE OF THEM LIKE THAT. AND THERE'S ONE THAT'S LISTED AS A FUNDING SOURCE OF 301, SO THERE'S 300, 310, AND ONE OF THEM WHICH IS 301, AND THAT'S THE WALKING TRAIL AT CENTRAL

PARK. >> THAT SHOULD PROBABLY BE 310. IT'S PROBABLY JUST A TYPO.

>> RIGHT. MY LAST QUESTION IS, THERE'S ONE ITEM AT LEAST AND THERE MIGHT BE

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VEHICLE IS FOR GETTING THAT. >> I THINK THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT IT BEING LEASED

LAND TO THE AIRPORT. IS THAT. >> BEING WHAT?

>> I'M SORRY. I GOT THE WRONG ONE. >> SHE'S TALKING ABOUT CENTRAL

PARK. >> OKAY. >> I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD GO -- ONCE, AGAIN, IT COULD GO BACK INTO HAVING THAT

DISCUSSION. >> RIGHT. I DID SEE IT SOMEWHERE AND I

KNOW THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT AT SOME POINT. >> RIGHT.

I REMEMBER SEEING IT. >> IT'S NOT ON ONE OF THESE SHEETS, YEAH.

>> RIGHT. >> I DON'T KNOW IF -- HOW DO WE GET THAT?

>> VERY SIMPLY IS WE CAN ADD THAT TO THE MIX. >> OKAY.

>> WILL WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO COMMENT OR [INAUDIBLE]. >> YES.

OF COURSE. >> SURE. >> COULD WE PUT THAT ON THE NEXT

AGENDA? >> SURE. >> THERE ARE SOME OTHER CENTRAL PARK ITEMS HERE, THE WALKING TRACK, PAVILION, PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, FENCING, SO THERE'S QUITE A BIT THERE AND I'M CURIOUS WHY THAT ONE DIDN'T MAKE THE CUT.

>> ABSOLUTELY. . >> ANYONE ELSE?

S. >> THIS IS AN ADJUNCTS SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PARKING.

THIS IS INFORMATIONAL. ARE THERE ANY REGULATIONS REGARDING CARS PARKED OVERNIGHT

ON PARK PROPERTY, CITY AND PARKS. >> IN THE PARKS OR THE PARKING

LOTS? >> ON THE GRASS, IN THE PARKING AREAS.

>> NO PARKING OVERNIGHT. WE WILL AT TIMES HAVE SOMEONE CALL US AT THE ATLANTIC RECREATION CENTER, YOU KNOW, IS IT POSSIBLE TO USE, YOU KNOW, THE -- IF THEY'RE DRIVING THROUGH AND THEY HAVE THIS BIG CAMPER, THEY HAVE CALLED US IN THE PAST BUT USUALLY, YEAH, THERE WOULD BE NO PARKING. THERE HAS BEEN RECENTLY SOME PEOPLE USING THE PARKING LOTS AS THAT BUT THAT'S MORE OF A COP THING THAT THEY HAVE TO ENFORCE THAT.

>> I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS -- IF THE COPS ENFORCE IT, THERE MUST BE.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS? >> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE

SPECIFIC ORDINANCE BUT THERE'S NO OVERNIGHT PARKING. >> OKAY.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> I'VE SEEN SUNSHINE OF IT IN CENTRAL PARK PARTICULARLY ON

13TH STREET. >> YOU NEED TO CALL POLICE. >> OKAY.

>> ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? >> IS THAT THE LOCALS THERE PARKING THERE?

>> I THINK SO. BECAUSE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF YARD SPACE ALONG THERE.

>> RIGHT. >> THIS STREET BY THE TENNIS COURT.

>> UNDER THE TREES THERE. >> I UNDERSTAND THINGS HAPPEN WITH HOLIDAYS AND STUFF BUT I

SEE IT A LOT. >> COULD IT POSSIBLY BE [INAUDIBLE] THEY ARE USED TO AND

IT WOULD BE [INAUDIBLE]. >> I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT'S.

I DON'T KNOW HOW RECENT THAT ORDINANCE IS. >> IT BECOMES CUSTOMARY IF YOU

DON'T ENFORCE IT. >> SOMETIMES

>> IT'S LOCAL. , IF THEY ARE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY ARE

LETTING THEM PARK. >> ANY OTHER ITEMS FOR THIS? 7.4, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

[7.4 Comprehensive Plan]

SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO, AS BY RESOLUTION, MAKE SOME SORT OF

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DISCUSS ONE SECTION AT A TIME. >> WHAT'S THE INTENT HERE? I GUESS THE FIRST QUESTION, WHAT

IS THE INTENT, I NEED TO UNDERSTAND. >> THE INTENT IS THAT THEY ARE -- THE CITY IS UPDATING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED FROM TIME TO GAME BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THINGS CHANGE. IF IT'S DETERMINED THAT WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING CHANGED, THEN THAT'S FINE. IF THERE ARE SOME THINGS, SOME GOALS ARE ISSUES THAT WE WANT TO ENTERTAIN PUTTING INTO IT OR TAKING OUT, THEN WE NEED TO FORMALIZE THAT.

SO THAT IS THE GOAL AND THE INTENT. >> YES?

>> THERE IS -- [INAUDIBLE] BRING FORWARD -- FIRST OF ALL -- [INAUDIBLE].

MEANWHILE, AS YOU ALREADY KNOW, THERE IS A PLAN TO HAVE AN EXTERNAL COMMITTEE, AN INTERNAL COMMITTEE, ET CETERA, WORKING ON THE WHOLE PLAN SO WE WON'T BE THE ONLY ONE BUT I THINK IT'S

IMPORTANT THAT WE DO. >> I AGREE. >> SO WHAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE

COMMITTEE? >> I THINK WE SHOULD BE INVOLVED IN THIS.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> FIRST OF ALL. >> I AGREE.

>> HOW DO YOU WANT TO THE ACCOMPLISH THAT? >> ONE WAY WOULD BE -- THE RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE ELEMENT IS NOT THAT BIG AND I GUESS WHAT I WOULD MAYBE PROPOSE IS THAT WE ALL, AS INDIVIDUALS, GO BACK AND REVIEW THIS AND THAT'S OUR HOMEWORK EIGHT WE COME BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING WITH DISCUSSION AND COMMENTS AND PROPOSALS AND -- AS TO WHAT THINGS WE THINK SHOULD BE CHANGED, DELETED, ADDED, AND SO ON. I'VE GOT -- I DID IT TODAY VERY QUICKLY AND IDENTIFIED FOUR THINGS, OR FOUR POLICIES THAT I THINK THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION, SO IT'S NOT THAT HARD. I MEAN, IT DOES REQUIRE SOME THINKING ABOUT IT BUT.

>> IT REFERENCES THAT MASTER PLAN WHICH HAS ALREADY BEEN UPDATED.

>> YES. >> SO THAT COULD ALSO HAVE IMPACT, THAT THERE'S THINGS IN

HERE. >> RIGHT. THE MASTER PLAN CAN BE KIND OF A

GUIDE OR A PLACE TO START. >> RIGHT. >> IN TERMS OF THINKING ABOUT THIS. I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS ONCE BEFORE WHEN I WAS IN THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD AND RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE WAS THE ELEMENT THAT I WAS TASKED WITH REVIEWING AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF POLICIES IN HERE THAT WILL ARE ONCE THAT I RECOMMENDED AND I DID THE THINKING ABOUT THAT AND DID THE WORK TO PUT THAT OWING.

I GOT HELP FROM KELLEY GIBSON FOR WORDING AS TO WHAT THAT POLICY SHOULD BE.

SO IT'S NOT THAT HARD. >> I HEAR A CONSENSUS? THE NEXT MEETING, WE CAN PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA AND EVERYONE HAS HOMEWORK. ALL RIGHT.

[8. STAFF REPORT]

STAFF REPORT. >> I INCLUDED THAT FORM THAT WE SENT TO THE CITY MANAGER, LIKE I SAID,, LIKE I SAID WE WOULD DO AND HOPEFULLY YOU REVIEWED THAT. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT OR DO YOU THINK THAT'S SUFFICIENT ENOUGH? WOULD YOU LIKE SOMETHING ELSE?

>> I THOUGHT WHAT YOU DID WAS GREAT. >> I DID TOO.

>> WELL, THAT IS -- SO WHAT WE DO ON A MONTHLY BASIS, WE SUBMIT THAT TO NAN, EACH PERSON WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT, WHAT THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE AND SHE PUTS THAT TOGETHER AND SENDS IT

TO THE CITY MANAGER. >> RIGHT. WE DID HAVE DISCUSSION ABOUT A

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I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE WANTED THAT OR WE CAN LET THAT GO NOW? >> I THOUGHT IT WAS MORE INFORMATIONAL. I THINK JEAN RAISED THE ISSUE THAT CERTAIN FUNDS EXPIRE AT CERTAIN TIMES AND WE JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHETHER -- ARE WE KEEPING UP WITH THAT AND I

THOUGHT. >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. >> AND THE RESPONSE WAS, I BELIEVE THE CONTROLLER AND THE APPROPRIATE PEOPLE WERE WATCHING IT BUT WE WEREN'T SURE.

WE JUST WANT TO SEE, ARE WE TAKING THE IMPACTS AND USING THEM EFFICIENTLY AND

EFFECTIVELY. . >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

WE CAME TO AN AGREEMENT THAT THE NEW MEMBER PACK KEPT WAS GOING TO BE UP ON THE WEBSITE BY THE END OF FEBRUARY. SO I WAS WONDERING WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE PUT.

HAS THAT BEEN DETERMINED? >> NO, IT HASN'T BEEN DETERMINED BUT IT CAN BE PLACED IN, I MEAN, BASICALLY WHEREVER WE WOULD SEE FIT. DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE IT TO BE PLACED? WE CAN PUT A LINK TO THE NEW PERSON'S LETTER AND TELL THEM TO GO TO THIS PLACE SO THAT WE CAN

GET THIS UP AND GOING. >> SO THERE WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE FOR IT, RIGHT THERE.

>> ALL RIGHT. >> THAT'S UNDER -- IS THAT WILL UNDER THE PARKS & RECREATION?

>> YES. >> SO BASICALLY UNDER THE HOME PAGE YOU WOULD GO TO BOARDS AND GO UNDER PARKS & RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND IT COULD BE PLACED RIGHT THERE.

>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> I WAS GOING TO BRING THIS UP UNDER OTHER BUSINESS BUT SINCE WE'RE ON IT. I WENT BACK AND WATCHED THE PIECE OF THE MEETING BECAUSE I DIDN'T REMEMBER. I THINK WE ACTUALLY SAID

FEBRUARY 1, BUT THAT'S PROBABLY NOT REASONABLE. >> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT TOO.

BUT I'M FINE WITH IT. >> I AM TOO. WE DIDN'T -- WE DIDN'T REALLY APPROVE -- DO WE HAVE TO APPROVE THE LETTER? I KNOW WE MADE COMMENTS AND IF

YOU WANT TO THE WAIT UNTIL OTHER BUSINESS. >> YES.

THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING TO PUT THE LETTER. >> I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU.

THE LETTER WAS EMAILED TO YOU GUYS. >> RIGHT.

>> AND SOME OF THIS STUFF THAT NEEDS TO BE POSTED ON THERE ALL HAS -- LIKE THE WELCOME LETTER HAD TO BE APPROVED THROUGH YOU GUYS BEFORE I WANTED TO DO ANY POSTING OF ANYTHING.

>> RIGHT. >> IT WASN'T ALL COMPLETELY DONE.

>> RIGHT. >> RIGHT. >> I JUST.

>> BUT YOU ARE CORRECT. >> AS AN AGENDA ITEM. >> THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. NUMBER NINE, OTHER BUSINESS. NUMBER ONE.

>> WAIT. >> I'M SORRY. >> ON THE REPORT TO THE CITY

MANAGER, IS THAT THE ONE THAT YOU JUST HAD YOU THERE, RIGHT? >> [INAUDIBLE].

>> THAT ONE. >> SO THE DATE, THE WAY IT FALLS.

>> THERE'S AN ITEM ON THERE DOWN ON THE RIGHT HAND COLUMN, VANDALISM.

I'M JUST CURIOUS. IS THIS SOMETHING WE NEVER HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT AS A COMMITTEE? VANDALISM AND THE BABY STATION. IS VANDALISM SOMETHING THAT OCCURS.

>> THE OUTDOOR BATH ROOMS ARE FREQUENTLY, PEOPLE JUMPING ON THE CHANGING STATIONS, RIPPING

OFF TOILET PAPER DISPENSERS, RIPPING OFF SOAP DISPENSERS. >> YEAH.

THERE'S VANDALISM, YEAH. >> I'VE WALKED INTO THE CENTRAL PARK BATHROOM AND SEEN WHERE THEY HAVE TAKEN THE WADS OF TOILET PAPER AND THROW THEM UP AT THE CEILING.

>> THE GENTLEMAN WHO CLEANED IT CAUGHT THEM, KIDS TAKING LIKE CARDBOARD CUPS AND JAMMI IT IN

THE TOILETS AND THEN THEY SIT THERE AND FLUSH IT. >> SO THAT THEY FLOW OVER.

>> THAT'S PRETTY DISTURBING. >> YES. >> JUST FROM A GRAFFITI

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JUST AN IDEA. IF YOU REMEMBER THOSE OF US WHO ARE NEW YORKERS REMEMBER IN THE '80S AND '90S, HOW GRAFFITI PROBLEMS, AT THE SUBWAY, HOW THEY WERE AND IF YOU GO THERE NOW YOU DON'T SEE IT AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY. THEY CAME UP WITH A TECHNICAL

SOLUTION TO RESOLVE THE GRAFFITI ISSUE. >> ARE THERE CAMERAS OUTSIDE OF

THE RESTROOMS? >> THERE'S CAMERAS AT SOME LOCATIONS BUT, NO, THERE'S NO CAMERA -- THERE'S NOT ANY CAMERAS AT MAIN BEACH, SEASIDE, AND THERE'S SOME CAMERAS AT PIRATE PARK, EAGANS CREEK, AND THERE'S NO CAMERAS AT CENTRAL PARK AND NO CAMERAS AT THE TRAIN DEPOT THERE. A FEW LOCATIONS IT WOULD BE PRETTY EASY I THINK TO PUT THEM

BUT THEN -- IT'S LIKE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PUT IT IN THE BATHROOM. >> NO.

PUT IT OUTSIDE. YOU COULD NARROW THINGS DOWN. JUST A THOUGHT.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. >> ANYBODY ELSE? >> .

[9.1 Revised By-Laws]

>> OTHER BUSINESS? >> THE REASON WE ARE IMPROVING THE BYLAWS IS THAT THE CITY COMMISSIONERS ARE NO LONGER WILLING TO BE LAY A SONS TO THE COMMITTEE SO I TOOK OUT ALL THE LANGUAGE REFERRING TO LIAISONS IN THE BYLAWS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY,AGE.

I'M ASKING FOR SOMEONE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BYLAWS. >> I MOVE.

>> DO I HEAR A SECOND? >> YES. >> ALL IN FAVOR?

>> WAS THAT BECAUSE OF TOO MANY THINGS ON THE PLATE? >> IS THAT IT? WE DON'T HAVE A LIAISON ANYMORE, BECAUSE COMMISSIONERS HAVE TOO MUCH ON THEIR PLATE?

>> I'M JUST ASSUMING THAT. >> WE HAVE TWO COMMISSIONERS SITTING HERE TODAY.

>> THEY'RE WILLING. >> YES. >> YES.

>> I GUESS I'M. >> BUT THEY HAD SAID [INAUDIBLE].

>> I LIKED HAVING A LIAISON. >> IT HELPS US. >> I'M SURE THEY'LL STAY

INVOLVED WITH THE COMMITTEE AS WE MOVE FORWARD. >> YES.

>> THIS IS WHY WE MAKE FAITH THE LEADER BECAUSE SHE. >> TO YOUR CONCERN, IF THERE'S NO ONE THERE HOW DOES THE INFORMATION GET MOVED FROM COMMITTEE TO COMMISSIONER.

>> AND FROM THEN TO US. >> YES. AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD QUESTION BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE IT THROUGH A DIFFERENT CHAIN OF COMMAND.

>> THAT'S FINE. >> WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT SCOTT AND NAN KNOW THAT WE HAVE SENT THIS TO THE CITY MANAGER AND FROM THERE IT GOES TO THE CITY COMMISSIONER.

>> I THINK THAT'S PART OF OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS STAFF TO MAKE SURE THE WILL OF THE PARKS & RECREATION ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS BROUGHT TO THE CITY MANAGER, WHICH THAT IS BROUGHT TO THE

CITY COMMISSIONER. >> WHAT THE COUNCILMEN GIVEN IS A SENSE OF PERSPECTIVE.

WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT AN ISSUE THAT WE DON'T PARTICULARLY UNDERSTAND, TYPICALLY COUNCILMAN ROSS WOULD GET UP AND GIVE US THE PERSPECTIVE AND THAT WAY WE KNEW WHAT WE WERE ACTUALLY WORKING ON, THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY ADDRESSING THE ISSUE. I GUESS THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL INTENT OF HAVING COUNCILMEN HAS LIAISON WAS THAT THEY DID PROVIDE DIRECTION WHEN SITUATIONS OR ISSUES WERE AMBIGUOUS AND WE'RE NOT COUNCILMEN AND WE'RE NOT RUNNING THE CITY'S BUSINESS AND THAT WAS THE HUGE BENEFIT. IT IS WHAT IT IS.

>> RIGHT. >> I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM WITH YOU AND THE PARKS DEPARTMENTS SENDING WHAT WE TALK ABOUT TO THEM. IT'S NOT GETTING ANYTHING BACK FROM THEM. NO, SORRY.

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>> I THOUGHT STRONGLY THE LIAISON SHOULD BE LEFT IN PLACE HOWEVER I'M ONE OF FIVE AND THE CONSENSUS WAS THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PROCEED WITH A LIAISON. THE REASON I FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THAT, AND YOU JUST ARTICULATED, WHAT IS YOUR CONTACT PERSON ON THE CITY COMMISSION TO HAVE -- YOU JUST PASSED YOUR BYLAWS. WHERE DOES THAT INFORMATION GO? IT SHOULD NOT GO TO THE CITY MANAGER. THERE'S A SEPARATION OF POWERS HERE AND I FEEL VERY STRONGLY GOVERNMENT SHOULD OPERATE THE WAY GOVERNMENT IS STRUCTURED.

THIS BODY REPORTS TO THE CITY COMMISSION. IT DOES NOT REPORT TO THE CITY MANAGER. THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT. SO MY SUGGESTION IS IF YOU WANT TO SEND INFORMATION TO A CITY COMMISSIONER, YOU CAN SEND IT TO ME.

I AM THE MAYOR OF THE CITY. AND I WILL PASS THAT INFORMATION ALONG TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER. THAT'S MY ADVICE TO THIS GROUP. COMMISSIONER ROSS WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS, IF HE DOES, HE'S WELCOME, BUT THAT'S MY OPINION. THANK YOU.

>> I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR. I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO MAKE SURE THAT THE PARKS & RECREATION DEPARTMENT IS INCLUDED IN THE CHAIN OF COMMAND BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES WHO ARE GOING TO HAVE

TO IMPLEMENT THIS STUFF. THAT'S A THOUGHT ALSO. >> BUT IT'S INTERESTING HOW WE JUST DEMONSTRATED THE NEED TO HAVE THE COUNCILMEN.

>> WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, WHEN YOU SEND THAT ON, YOU SENDS THAT TO THE CITY MANAGER, NOT TO THE

COMMISSIONERS? >> THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE MAKES THE AGENDAS FOR THE CITY

COMMISSION. >> RIGHT. >> AND THAT'S WHO YOU WORK FOR.

>> RIGHT. >> RIGHT. >> AND THE CITY MANAGER ALSO HAS THE OBLIGATION TO TAKE WHATEVER ADVISORY BOARD INFORMATION THAT WE SET ON TO PUT IT ON THE

AGENDA. AN ADVISORY OPINION. >> LIKE THE MAYOR SAID THOUGH, YOU GUYS CAN BE IN COMMUNICATION WITH ANY OF THE CITY COMMISSIONERS AT ANY TIME.

>> RIGHT. >> OKAY. >> OKAY.

>> ANY OTHER BUSINESS? >> YES, I DO, ON THE [INAUDIBLE].

>> OKAY. >> I PERSONALLY THINK THE PHRASEOLOGY ABOUT YOUR TERM COMMITMENT IS FOR THREE YEARS, AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE -- IT ISN'T NECESSARILY THREE YEARS. IT DEPENDS WHEN YOU GET APPOINTED.

>> YES. >> AND I ASSUME THE POSITION OF. >> LET'S REMOVE THAT.

>> IF YOU ARE STARTING IN JANUARY, YOUR POSITION AT THIS POINT IS GOING TO FULFILL THE TERM OF THE PERSON -- SO IT COULD BE SIX MONTHS. IT COULD BE TWO AND A HALF

YEARS. >> I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO REMOVE IT.

I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE WORDED DIFFERENTLY. >> YOU SAID TYPICALLY --

[INAUDIBLE]. >> HOW ABOUT [INAUDIBLE]. >> THAT COMMITTEE MEMBERS ARE APPOINTED FOR THREE-YEAR TERMS, AND NEW MEMBERS WILL GENERALLY ASSUME -- ASSUMES THE TERM OF

THE INDIVIDUAL THERE. >> OKAY. >> THAT THEY'RE REPLACING.

>> YES. >> THAT'S THE ONLY PROBLEM. >> CHAIR ROSS, I BELIEVE THAT

WAS CHANGED TO TWO YEARS, NOT THREE. >> RECENTLY?

>> OKAY. >> THEY ALL WERE ON THE SAME -- THEY ALL ENDED -- LET ME LOOK

INTO THAT. >> LOOK INTO. >> WE SENT THAT TO SCOTT.

I HAVE THE TERMS HERE. FOR EXAMPLE, FOR MYSELF, I CAME IN IN MARCH OF '18 AND THEN I WAS IN A TWO-YEAR TERM, SO I RENEWED MARCH OF '20 BUT I AM THE END OF '22 BECAUSE MY TERM

WAS PARTIALLY INTO A YEAR. >> OKAY. >> YOU WOULD BE THROUGH '23, DECEMBER OF '23. BILL, YOU ARE THROUGH '23. ERIC, YOU ARE '22.

FAITH, YOU'RE '23. MIKE AND ALEXANDER, YOU'RE '21. >> THEY ARE BASED ON TWO-YEARS

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FIRMS. >> NO. I WAS A THREE-YEAR.

I CAME IN. >> IN '18. >> WHEN YOU ORIGINALLY CAME OFF.

>> RIGHT. I'M NOT SURE HOW YOURS GOT TO JUST BE ONE YEAR.

>> I HAD A ONE-YEAR TERM AND. >> I DID ALSO BUT I RENEWED. >> YOU CAN'T HAVE EVERYBODY GOING OFF AT THE SAME TIME SO IT WAS ADJUSTED. YOU SENT US THIS.

>> RIGHT. I WILL CONFIRM THAT WITH YOU. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> I WILL CONFIRM THAT. >> THE OTHER QUESTION IS IT SAYS MAXIMUM TERMS, ONE, ON THIS SHEET. THIS CAME FROM MS. BEST, CORRECT?

THAT YOU FORWARD THIS SHEET, CAME FROM CAROLINE BEST. >> CAME FROM THE CITY.

>> IT SAYS THE MAXIMUM TERM IS ONE. IS THAT TRUE NOW?

I DON'T KNOW. >> I'LL FIND OUT FOR YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> BUT I KNOW PEOPLE HAVE BEEN -- AND WHEN IT SAYS ON ONE TERM, I DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME BUT THAT WILL MIGHT BE FOR THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR.

>> WE WANT TO GET RID OF THAT. >> I WOULD HAVE TO -- I'D HAVE TO SEE THAT.

>> WAS THIS DONE BY ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTION OR POLICY, THIS CHANGE?

DO YOU KNOW? >> I DON'T REMEMBER. >> RESOLUTION.

>> OKAY. >> RESOLUTION? >> I BELIEVE IT WAS.

ORDINANCE WITH [INAUDIBLE]. >> YES. I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH MY

TERM. I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS. >> I'LL SEND YOU THE NEW RESOLUTION THAT WAS SOMEWHAT RECENT THAT SHOWS WHERE -- THEY WANTED TO CHANGE THAT PART OF IT SO EVERY MONTH THERE WASN'T PEOPLE COMING OFF OF THESE BOARDS.

>> RIGHT. I TOTALLY AGREE. IT WAS A NIGHTMARE.

>> IT WAS A NIGHTMARE. >> I AGREE IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CHANGED.

YOU ARE NOT GOING TO GET EVERYBODY FOR -- I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHEN IT SAID MAXIMUM

TERM, ONE. >> ANYTHING ELSE ON THE LETTER? >> YES, MA'AM.

NOT ON THE LETTER. >> NO, THANK YOU. >> DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE?

>> SOMETHING UNDER OTHER BUSINESS BUT I CAN WAIT. >> WHY DON'T YOU FINISH.

>> JUST A QUESTION FOR SCOTT REGARDING SIMMONS ROAD PARK AND PROGRESS.

FROM THE STREET YOU CAN SEE THE BATHROOM. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE ROOF OF THE PAVILION BUT THERE'S NO -- IS THERE A PLAYGROUND THAT'S GOT TO GO IN THERE SOMEWHERE?

>> WHAT I WOULD LIKE FOR THAT IS FOR NAN TO MAYBE EMAIL THE COMMITTEE A REPORT ON THE STATUS

OF THAT, IF YOU DON'T MIND. >> OKAY. BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEVER SAW WAS THE FINAL DESIGN OF IT, AND SO I'VE BEEN BACK THERE A COUPLE OF TIMES BECAUSE I DON'T LIVE TOO FAR FROM THERE AND I'VE WALKED THE TRAIL A COUPLE OF TIMES AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE PLAYGROUND IS GOING TO BE, IF IT IS GOING TO BE, WHETHER IT'S EVEN GOING TO BE REMOTELY VISIBLE AND WHO PUTS A PLAYGROUND IN THE WOODS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE.

I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. >> IS EVERYONE OKAY WITH. >> SURE.

>> WITH -- OKAY. >> YES. >> .

>> AND RESOLUTION ON [INAUDIBLE] THE ONE THAT JUST PASSED. >> THANKS, ALICIA.

>> THREE YEARS? >> YES. >> THAT'S AN ORDINANCE.

>> YOU ARE RIGHT. THE [INAUDIBLE]. >> IT IS THREE YEARS.

OKAY. AND VACANCY OCCURS AT THE END OF THE THREE-YEAR TERM.

>> IT'S THE CHAIR AND VICE PRESIDENT, ONE-YEAR TERMS. OH, WOW.

OFFICERS MAY NOT SERVE MORE THAN TWO CONSECUTIVE TERMS. THAT'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT

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TOO. >> OKAY. >> JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THE PLAYGROUND WILL GO IN AFTER THE CONSTRUCTION IS DONE AND THERE IS A CLEARING FOR PLAY AREA, BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, I'LL ASK NAN IF SHE CAN SEND OUT AN JUST DATE OF THE PARK IN GENERAL.

>> THAT'S WOULD BE GREAT. IF IT CAN INCLUDE A PLAN VIEW DRAWING OF WHERE IT GOES IN THE

PARK, THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. >> NO OBJECTION TO THAT.

>> AND I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO HAVING A PLAYGROUND BE [INAUDIBLE] HIDDEN BEHIND TREES AND I THINK THAT'S THE [INAUDIBLE] GO DOWN A WOODED PATH AND FIND THE PLAYGROUND.

I'M ALL ABOUT SAVING THE TREES. >> YOU'RE RIGHT. >> PEOPLE REALLY LIKE THE TREES.

>> WE ALL APPRECIATE IT IN 90-DEGREE HEAT. >> MY ONLY CONCERN ABOUT THAT REALLY IS ARE PEOPLE GOING TO USE THIS PARK? HOPEFULLY WE DID NOT BUILD A PARK THAT NBODY WANTS TO GO TO BECAUSE THEY'RE UNCOMFORTABLE OR THEY ARE SOMEWHAT CONCERNED

ABOUT SECURITY. THAT'S MY ISSUE. >> I LIKE [INAUDIBLE].

>> I GUESS FROM -- WHO -- NOT TO INTERRUPT BUT PERSONALLY I FIND IT DIFFICULT TO SEE THE PIRATES PARK. IF YOU'RE NOT LOOKING FOR IT IT'S REALLY NOT THERE.

YOU DRIVE BY IT AND YOU DON'T REALLY SEE IT AND, YOU KNOW. >> WHICH THAT PARK IS USED

HEAVILY. >> HEAVILY. >> BUT IT'S A PARK THAT'S EXPOSED. IT'S IN THE OPEN. IT'S BACK FROM THE STREET QUITE A WAYS BUT IT'S NOT SURROUNDED BY WOODS AND YOU CAN SEE IT. IT'S OPEN AND EXPOSED, AS IS ALL OF THE OTHER PARKS IN FERNANDINA, SO IT DOES GIVE ME PAUSE TO THINK ABOUT A PARK WHERE THE PLAYGROUND IS BACK IN THE WOODS SOMEWHERE THAT YOU CANNOT SEE FROM THE STREET.

MAYBE THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE INDICATION WHICH THAT'S WHY I WANT TO SEE THE DRAWING.

SO FAR WHAT HAS BEEN BUILT IS IN ORDER TO PROTECT THE HABITAT IS ALL OF THE UNDERGROWTH IS KEPT SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE PARKED CARS IN THE PARKING LOT.

YOU CAN'T SEE THE PAVILION EXCEPT FOR THE ROOF OF IT IN ORDER -- AND IT'S GREAT THAT WE'RE PROTECTING THE HABITAT AND KEEPING THE TREES BUT THAT THERE'S A TRADE-OFF TO THAT AND SO I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. IF THE SOLUTION -- IF THERE'S A SECURITY PROBLEM R PROBLEM AND THE SOLUTION IS TO ADD LIGHTING, THEN WE'RE GOING TO LIGHT UP THE

FOREST AND I'M NOT SO SURE THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. >> DO THE PARKS CLOSE AT A

CERTAIN HOUR? >> DARK. BUT THEN THERE'S -- THEN WE HAVE TENNIS AND WE HAVE LIGHTS AND SO, YOU KNOW, THE TENNIS COURTS ARE WITHIN THE PARKS.

>> BASEBALL ALSO. >> YEAH. BUT, YES, TECHNICALLY AT DARK.

>> RIGHT. >> ANY WAY... >> ANY ITEMS FOR NEXT WEEK'S AGENDA, ADDITIONAL ITEMS THAT WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON HERE?

>> WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL WORK WITH CHAIR ROSS IN DEVELOPING THE AGENDA AND THEN LONG BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING IS WE'LL SEND OUT AN EMAIL TO YOU GUYS IF YOU WANT TO ADD OR HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE AGENDA, SO PLEASE, IF YOU SEE IT AND WANT SOMETHING ON THERE, THEN YOU SHOULD LET US

KNOW. >> I HAVE ONE MORE REQUES. FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN WORKING ON THE CEMETERY BUSINESS PLAN, COULD WE SET UP A TIME IN JANUARY TO SET UP A SUBCOMMITTEE, IF YOU HAVE YOUR CALENDARS HANDY? SUGGESTIONS FOR DATES, ANYONE?

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>> COULD WE MAKE IT BEFORE THE REGULAR MEETING? AN HOUR BEFORE?

>> IS THE ROOM AVAILABLE AN HOUR BEFORE THE MEETING? >> I DON'T HAVE THAT CALENDAR.

IF YOU GUYS GIVE ME A DATE, IF YOU WANT TO DO IT PRIOR TO THIS MEETING.

>> IS IT AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW? >> I DON'T KNOW. THE REASON I'M ASKING THIS IS ON THE 19TH THE FOUNDATION IS GOING TO BE MEETING WITH THE BOSKATEL FRIENDS AND AT THAT MEETING WE SHOULD GET A LITTLE MORE DIRECTION ON WHAT THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO AND THEN I

CAN SHARE THAT INFORMATION WITH YOU AFTER THE 19TH OF JANUARY. >> THEY ARE MEETING ON

JANUARY 9TH. >> 19TH. >> OKAY.

>> CAN WE MEET THE WEEK AFTER THAT? >> YEAH.

>> THE LAST WEEK OF JANUARY. >> LAST WEEK IN JANUARY? >> BILL, DOES THAT WORK?

>> SURE, AS FAR AS I KNOW. >> SOMEONE GIVE ME A DATE, OR A COUPLE OF DATES, AND SEE IF WE

CAN GET SCOTT TO GIVE US A ROOM. >> ARE WE TALKING MORNING? AFTERNOON?

I'M FLEXIBLE MONDAY, TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY, BUT THE 28TH, I. >> ANYONE ELSE?

>> WE'RE TALKING THE WEEK OF THE 25TH? >> UH-HUH.

>> HOW ABOUT THE 25TH IN THE AFTERNOON? SPECIAL TIME?

>> THE REST OF JANUARY, THE LAST TWO WEEKS. >> I'M FINE AT ANY TIME.

>> HOW ABOUT 2:00 P.M. ON THE 25TH. >> ARE YOU COMFORTABLE MEETING

UPSTAIRS IN THE RECEPTION ROOM. >> I'M OKAY WITH IT. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHERS.

>> I'LL LOOK AT THE CALENDAR AND I'LL LET EVERYBODY KNOW. >> OKAY.

>> JANUARY? >> 25TH. MONDAY.

>> AND WE COULD MEET AT THE -- WE COULD MEET AT THE ATLANTIC RECREATION CENTER, IN THE

AUDITORIUM. >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

>> SO THAT'S AVAILABLE. WE COULD DO JANUARY 25TH AT 2:00 P.M., AND IT'S AVAILABLE.

>> GREAT. WHERE? >> ATLANTIC RECREATION CENTER

AUDITORIUM. ANYTHING ELSE? >> WE'LL MAKE SURE WE POST THAT

MEETING. >> IS THIS IN THE AUDITORIUM, ALICIA, IN THE LITTLE BACK ROOM.

>> THIS IS THE -- WHERE WE USED TO MEET. >> WHERE YOU USED TO PLAY PICKLEBALL.

>> THIS MEETING IS. >> NO. >> [INAUDIBLE] IF YOU DON'T

MIND. >> NO. >> THIS IS DIRECTLY TO YOUR COMMENT ABOUT PERSPECTIVE. I DON'T REMEMBER WANTING A LIAISON -- I THINK TWO OF US SHOW UP AT MOST OF THESE MEETINGS AND MOST OTHERS DON'T, SORT OF MY OPINION TO WHO ARE GOING TO SHOW UP AND OTHERS DON'T. MR. [INAUDIBLE] GOES TO THE -- ANYHOW, A PERSPECTIVE. THERE'S A VISITING SESSION COMING UP WHERE THE NEW -- THE FIVE CITY COMMISSIONERS ARE GOING TO COME TOGETHER AND TALK ABOUT THEIR VISION FOR THE NEXT YEAR. AND ONE OF MY THINGS THAT I'VE COME TO, AND I'VE DID THIS FOR THREE YEARS NOW AND BECOME MORE AND MORE -- I GUESS THE WORD IS OBSESSED, ABOUT HOW YOU PAY FOR IT. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. LIKE TONIGHT YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT CAMPERS. YOU WANTED A DRAWING WITH THE PERSPECTIVES AND YOU WANTED A NEW BATHROOM AND YOU WANT THIS AND YOU WANT THAT. WELL, ALL THOSE THINGS COST

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140 PLUS OR MINUS PROPERTIES. A LOT OF SEWER LIFT STATIONS. THE CITY OWNS A AIRPORT AND THE CITY OWNS 50 BEACH ACCESSES AND A LIGHTHOUSE AND A CEMETERY, A MARINA, A GOLF COURSE.

>> TWO. >> TWO GOLF COURSES. ONE OF THEM WE DON'T PAY FOR.

AND I COULD KEEP GOING. WE OWN THIS BUILDING. WE OWN THE REC CENTERS, TWO REC CENTERS, THE POOL, THE PET CENTER, AND ALL THE BUILDINGS ARE BUILT A LONG TIME AGO, MOST OF THEM, AND WHAT'S HANDS OVER THE YEARS IS THEY SORT OF BAND-AIDED THEM AND THEY ARE COMING TO THE END OF THEIR USEFUL LIFE WITHOUT MAJOR RENOVATIONS.

AND SO THE CAPITAL BUDGET WHICH I THINK IS ONE OF MY KEY THINGS THAT I'M GOING TO TRY TO DO IN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS IS TO FIGURE OUT A REAL FIVE-YEAR, TEN-YEAR CAPITAL BUDGET WHICH THESE -- ACTUALLY THAT FORM YOU SAW TONIGHT, THE CAPITAL BUDGET, THE COMPTROLLER BROUGHT THAT UP.

A GREAT WAY TO LOOK AT THINGS. BUT PARKS & RECREATION IS 17.9 PERCENT OF OUR BUDGET, A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY. A LOT OF THAT DOESN'T GO INTO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.

WE DON'T FIX THINGS. WE DON'T CONTINUE THEM. SO WHAT I'M GOING TO TRY TO DO IS COME UP WITH A REASONABLE -- FIGURE OUT A CAPITAL BUDGET, NOT ME BUT WHAT I THINK THE CITY SHOULD DO IS COME UP WITH A REAL CAPITAL BUDGET FOR THE NEXT FIVE, TEN YEARS, WHATEVER IT IS, BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS NOW, CORRECT ME IFISM WRONG, THINGS ARE PUT IN THERE AS PLACEHOLDERS EIGHT THEN THEY GET PUSHED AROUND AND THIS AND THAT HAPPENS AND GOES OVER HERE.

AUTO REAL CAPITAL BUDGET WHERE WE REALLY LOOK AT WHAT OUR NEEDS ARE.

AND I THINK THE OTHER CHALLENGE WITH THAT IS WE HAVE THE NEW CITY COMMISSIONER WHO HAS ALREADY SAID WE'RE NOT GOING TO RAISE TAXES AND I'M NOT FOR IT. NOT AGAINST IT.

I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU THAT YOU ONLY HAVE SO MUCH REVENUE, YOU ONLY HAVE SO MUCH REVENUE, AND WE'RE NOT LIKE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. WE CAN'T PRESS A BUTTON AND PAY FOR THINGS. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME REALLY HARD CHOICES, AND EITHER YOU FIGURE OUT MORE WAYS TO COME UP WITH MONEY OR YOU FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO CUT, WHAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SUPPORT, AND I THINK IF YOU REALLY WANT TO DO SOMETHING IN PARKS & RECREATION THAT IS NEW, ONE THING YOU'LL HAVE TO DECIDING IS WHAT YOU DON'T WANT.

WHAT DO YOU WANT TO GET RID OF TO REPLACE THAT BECAUSE QUITE HONESTLY, WE CAN'T AFFORD -- IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE GOING FORWARD WITH OUR CAPITAL NEEDS. THE CAPITAL NEEDS OF THE GOLF COURSE, PROBABLY A MILLION TO A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS. WHERE IS THAT GOING TO COME FROM? WE HAVE MIXING THE MARINA BUT THAT BILL IS A LOT OF MONEY.

IGNORE MY CELL PHONE. THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. AND I JUST WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT WHENEVER YOU ASK FOR SOMETHING, FIGURE OUT WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING TO COME FROM TO PAY FOR THAT BECAUSE THAT IS GOING TO BE THE CHALLENGE GOING FORWARD.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY. >> AS PART OF THAT, WE HAVE THIS IMPACT MONEY THAT WE HAVE TO SPEND, BUT AS WE SPEND THAT WE ALSO ADD MORE COSTS INTO THE BACK INDUSTRY TO MAINTENANCE,

SO. >> IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU SPEND IT ON.

>> RIGHT. >> IF I USE THE IMPACT FEE, SAY PARKS & RECREATION, IF YOU USE THE IMPACT FEE, PART OF THAT IS TO DO A BOARDWALK DOWN ALONG THE WATERFRONT.

>> RIGHT. >> AND WE CAN MIX THAT WITH FINE MONEY.

WELL, IF YOU DESIGN THAT OUT OF CONCRETE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH, A MINIMUM MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENT, THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. SO GOING FORWARD, WHENEVER WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING YOU ALSO HAVE TO BUDGET INTO WHAT ARE THE MAINTENANCE COSTS OF THAT OVER THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT WHICH HAS NOT BEEN DONE PREVIOUSLY. AM I CORRECT ABOUT THAT?

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THAT. >> I DID HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ON -- JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, WE HAVE SOME OF THE GREATEST GOLF COURSES IN THE COUNTRY BUT WE'RE NOT -- I UNDERSTAND THE GOLF COURSE IS NOT GENERATING REVENUE TO SUPPORT ITSELF? OR IS IT WILL NOT -- I DON'T

KNOW WHAT THE ISSUES ARE. >> IT NEVER HAS. >> RIGHT.

AND SO YOU RAISED AN INTERESTING POINT. YOU SAID WE HAVE 140 PROPERTIES IN THE CITY AND IF THAT'S NOT GENERATING REVENUE, ARE WE LOOKING AT KEEPING IT OR LETTING

IT GET PRIVATIZED AND LET SOMEBODY ELSE DO IT. >> I'M GOING TO GIVE THE BE BOLB AND BE BRIEF. MY VIEW OF THE GOLF COURSE, IT'S A RECREATIONAL AMENITY.

WE PUT MONEY INTO PICKLEBALL AND SWIMMING POOLS AND WE PUT MONEY INTO ALL OF THESE THINGS.

YOU ARE RIGHT, THE CITY HAS BEEN SUBSIDIZING THE GOLF COURSE FOR YEARS.

THE OPERATING BUDGET MAY BREAK EVEN GOING FORWARDS BUT THE CAPITAL COSTS ARE ABOUT 1 MILLION, OR 1 MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT IS COMING FROM.

I STILL THINK 46,000 PEOPLE, PLUS OR MINUS 2,000, ROUNDS OF GOLF HAVE BEEN PLAYED THERE FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS SO SOMEBODY IS USING IT AT SOME LEVEL OF SERVICE.

I KNOW DIFFERENT COMMISSIONERS HAVE A DIFFERENT SPIN ON THIS BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE SUBSIDIZED. BUT HOW MUCH ARE YOU WILLING TO DO THIS, TO SUBSIDIZE PICKLEBALL AND SOFTBALL FIELDS, AND WHEN I SAY SUBSIDIZE, MAYBE THAT'S A POOR WORD TO YOU, BUT HOW MUCH TAXPAYER MONEY ARE YOU WILLING TO PUT INTO THAT FOR IT TO CONTINUE, AT WHAT LEVEL OF SERVICE. THE MORE MONEY YOU PUT INTO IT, THE BETTER THE SERVICE THAT'S

PRETTY CLEAR. DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? >> YES, SIR.

I WAS ASKING FOR -- MY OWN PERSONAL OPINION ABOUT THE GOLF COURSE IS IT'S GOT A LOT OF COMPETITION AND SO WHEN PEOPLE COME HERE THEY KNOW THIS IS THE QUOTE, UNQUOTE, GREAT PLACE TO PLAY GOLF AND I'VE HEARD THAT A ZILLION TIMES EVEN THOUGH MY GOLF GAME IS CRAZY.

IT'S NOT FAIR COMPETITION WHEN YOU'RE COMPETING AGAINST SOME REALLY, REALLY NICE COURSES THAT

ARE DOWN HERE. >> I WOULD SAY TO THAT YOU'RE NOT COMPETING -- IT'S DIFFERENT

PEOPLE, A DIFFERENT LEVEL. >> THE MARKET IS DIFFERENT. >> THE VALUE.

>> RECREATIONAL PUBLIC GOLF. >> RIGHT. >> THAT'S NOT SO MUCH WITH THE YOUNGER COURSES. THEY ARE MORE A REAL GOLF COURSE.

>> THEY ARE BOTH REAL GOLF COURSES BUT YOU GET THE IDEA. >> WHAT'S THE WORST CASE THAT WE ARE TRYING TO MANAGE AS AN ENTITY, A PUBLIC ENTITY? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THAT SAYS, IF WE GET RID OF THIS WE'LL BE ABLE TO SERVICE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE BETTER.

IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN FLIP AND DO US GOOD? >> THAT'S WHY ON THE WORK PLAN, THAT STATEMENT IS THERE LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE PARKS & RECREATION PROGRAM, THAT WE KNOW WHAT TO ASK OTHER ENTITIES TO JOIN US TO FUND OR ENTITIES THAT WE'RE IN COMPETITION WITH THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, THAT WE MAY WANT TO LET THEM HAVE IT AND WE GET RID OF IT WILL IN ORDER TO FUND THINGS WE REALLY WANT. THAT'S A WHOLE DISCUSSION WE NEED TO HAVE, NOT ONLY THIS GROUP BUT AS A COMMUNITY. THAT'S WHY THAT'S ON THE WORK

PLAN AND YOU ARE VERY GOOD IN ASKING THAT QUESTION. >> AGAIN, THAT'S THE BENEFIT OF HAVING THE COMMISSIONER HERE BECAUSE THEY GIVE YOU THAT DEGREE OF FOCUS THAT I THINK IS

NECESSARY. OTHERWISE WE SPIN OUR WHILES. >> YEAH.

>> YOU'RE STUCK WITH ME FOR FOUR YEARS AND THEN I'M DONE. >> I

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