[1. CALL TO ORDER] [00:00:04] >>> I BILL CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER OF THE TECHNICALLY VIEW COMMITTEE ON DECEMBER 17TH AT 9 A.M. IF WE CAN DO A VOICE ROLE CALL STARTING WITH DON. >> DON COUPA. >> REX LESTER, MAINTENANCE. >> MICHELLE FORESTER, CODE ENFORCEMENT. >> JASON HIGGENUFER FIRE OF. >> KELLY PERMIT. WITH THAT WE WILL STAND FOR PLEDGE OF ALI SCWHRENS. >> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION, UNDERGOD, -- UNDER GOD WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> WE HAVE NO MEETING MINUTES TO APPROVE TODAY. WE HAVE ONE AGENDA ITEM AND SEVERAL WALK UP ITEMS. LET'S GET STARTED. [5.1 Pre-Application Discussion - Asa Gillette, Gillette & Associates, S. 14th St.: To discuss the construction of a 5 single-family lot residential subdivision.] LIKE TO WALK US THROUGH THAT ITEM THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> THIS IS A PROPOSAL FOR FIVE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING UNITS ON FIVE PLOTS. DRIVEWAY WILL BE IN SOUTH FLORIDA. THERE ARE SIX SLOTS. THE PRIMARY DRIVEWAY ACCESS WILL SERVE ALL FIVE UNITS. IN THE BACK THERE WILL BE TWO PARKING SPACES EACH. WE ALSO HAD SELF-CONTAINING DRAINAGE AND DONE CALCULATIONS. THAT'S ABOUT IT. >> THIS DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY PLATTING OR CHANGES TO THE PLAT. WE ARE BRINGING AS A DISCUSSION ITEM AT THIS TIME. TRADITIONALLY SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES WOULD NOT APPEAR BEFORE TRC, BUT THERE ARE SOME SITE IMPROVEMENTS WE THOUGHT WERE IMPORTANT TO DISCUSS AND MAKE SURE COMMENTS WERE ADDRESSED BEFORE THEY MOVE FORWARD. >> WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE AN EASE MEANT, AN EGRESS AND REGRESS. WE HAVE CONGREGATED THE DRAINAGE IN THE BACK. THE WATER TABLE ALLOWS US TO DO THAT. WE COULDN'T GET DRAINAGE TO WORK SO THE EASIEST WAY TO DO IT IS WITH AN UNDERGROUND VAULT. WE EVEN TRIED TO SEE IF WE COULD GET IT TO FLOW TOWARD DATE STREET ON THE VACANT LOT, BUT IT DOESN'T FLOW THERE. WE ARE KIND OF LOCKED SO CAN'T LIFT THINGS UP TOO MUCH. >> WILL THERE BE GUTTERS AND DOWN SPOUTS. >> YES, WE WILL, YES. CORRECT. >> WE TRIED TO MAKE A SPOT ELEVATION. WE HAVE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO DO. >> ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED RIGHT OFF THE -- RIGHT AWAY IS THE PROPOSED HVAC NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST FIVE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. YOU MAY WANT TO LOCATE THAT TOWARD THE BACK TO BE ABLE TO MEET THAT MINIMUM REQUIREMENT. >> DID YOU SAY FIVE FEET, KELLY? >> YES. AND THEN MAILBOXES, WILL THERE BE A MAILBOX LOCATION? >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A SIMPLE THING TO DO. LET ME TALK ABOUT THAT. >> HAVE YOU LOOKED AT YOUR WATER AND SEWER? >> WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THAT YET. >> I THOUGHT IT WAS ON 14TH, BUT I AM NOT SURE. >> THERE PROBABLY IS, BUT I AM NOT SURE -- >> IF WE CAN GET OFF DATE IT WOULD BE EASIER. I HAVEN'T CHECKED SUE -- SEWER YET. >> YEAH, BUT DO YOU HAVE -- DOES THIS GO ALL THE WAY TO [00:05:01] THE CORNER OR IS IT MID-BLOCK? >> IT IS AT THE CORNER. THE CORNER LOT IS NOT GOING TO BE DEVELOPED AT THIS TIME. >> OKAY. GOTCHA. SO THE SOUTHWEST CORNER. >> YES. WE ARE THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF DATE AND 14TH. >> LET ME TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND I'LL GET UH MAP. >> I HAVEN'T PULLED THE UTILITY MAPS UP YET. I HAVE BEEN SWAMPED. >> INDIVIDUALLY EACH LOT IS CAPABLE OF MEETING THE MINIMUM TREE MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS? >> YES. WE COOPERATE MAKE -- COULDN'T MAKE THAT HAPPEN WITHOUT. >> SO THE POSTS I CAN FIND WITH MEASUREMENTS AND DISTANCES WERE 2.5 ON THE GE1. REMEMBER WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE LIKE NEXT DOOR AND THE FIRE SEPARATION DISTANCES FROM THE PROPERTY LINE TO EACH OF THE STRUCTURES AND ACCOUNTING FOR ANYTHING ELSE, NOT JUST THE FOUNDATION. KEEP AN EYE ON ALL OF THAT. >> SEE, DON HAS -- I'LL SEE IF DON HAS CHECKED THAT. >> PASS IT ON TO HIM SO IT STAYS IN LINE. IS HE BUILDING THIS TO CURRENT CODE OR NEW CODE? IT CHANGES THE 31ST. RUN IT BY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL. >> I HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN MUCH -- >> THAT'S THE QUESTION. IS IT SUBSTANTIAL IN THE DESIGN OR NOT. IT IS JUST ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO DO WITH CODE CHANGE. >> ARE THEY DOING A GRACE PERIOD ON THAT? >> NOT REALLY. IT HAPPENS, BUT IT USUALLY HAPPENS THROUGH LETTERS LIKE THAT. >> THE DRIVEWAY AND THE RIGHT OF WAY, HOW WIDE IS THAT? >> RIGHT NOW SHOWING A LITTLE UNDER ABOUT 22 FEET, 23 FEET. NOT EXACT DIMENSION ON THAT. 22 IS THE INTENT OF THE DRIVEWAY. >> DESIGN STANDARDS ARE 12 TO 20? >> WOULD YOU CONSIDER THIS TO BE COMMERCIAL DRIVEWAY? >> NO. SING -- SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES. >> IT IS ACCESSING [INAUDIBLE]. >> IT IS STILL A RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAY DESIGN. YOUR DRIVEWAY -- ONCE YOU ARE ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY CAN BE INCREASED. IT IS THE ACCESS FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY THAT NEEDS TO MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OR THE MAXIMUM. >> I WOULD PREFER TO SEE THE SIDEWALK EXTENDED DOWN DATE STREET OFF 14TH. >> NOW IT IS TIME TO THAT IMPROVEMENT IN PLACE. >> WHAT WAS THAT? >> NOW IS THE TIME TO GET THE IMPROVEMENT IN PLACE. >> RIGHT. ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE A DUMPSTER FOR TRASH. >> NO THEY ARE ROLL UPS. >> ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE THEM IN THE BACK? >> YEAH, THEY CAN PUT THEM IN THE BACK. WE CAN PUT A PLACE TO SCREEN THEM SO THEY WON'T SEE THEM. >> WHY COULDN'T WE COME OFF 14TH STREET? IT WOULDN'T LAYOUT? >> IT WOULDN'T LAY. YOU WOULD HAVE SO MANY DRIVEWAY CONNECTIONS. >> YEAH, I MEAN YOU COULD HAVE ONE. >> I'M SORRY? >> YOU COULD HAVE ONE COMING OFF 14TH JUST LIKE ONE COMING OFF DATE? >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. >> LOGISTICALLY IT WORKS BETTER AND I CAN SAVE MORE TREES. >> [INAUDIBLE] DRAINAGE TOO. >> AND I BELIEVE BECAUSE IT IS A DEVELOPMENT -- >> I ALREADY RAN IT BY DAN AT THE DISTRICT AND HE SAID INAUDIBLE]. >> IF YOU ALREADY HAVE THAT. >> THE SAME THING WE DID FOR HABITAT. >> OKAY. >> IN ESSENCE. IT IS THE SAME TYPE. I HADN'T SENT IT TO HIM YET. HE WANTED TO LOOK AT IT. [00:10:07] A -- >> DO YOU HAVE AN OVER FLOW OR OUT FLOW SPH. >> IT IS FALLING BACK. WE HAD IT OUT FALLING TOWARD 14TH STREET. IT IS INTO THE BASEMENT. >> JUST GIVE ME THE DETAILS ON THAT AND I WILL GIVE YOU ANY INFO WHERE THE ISSUES ARE. >> WHEN WE RAN THE NUMBERS WE DIDN'T DO AN OUT FLOW. >> IDEALLY IF WE HAVE ONE ON DATE, WE HAVE A GANG OF METERS THERE AND RUN YOUR SERVICES DOWN. >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS THINKING, RUN THE SERVICES DOWN AND BACK. >> I JUST DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE SEWER. >> YEAH. SEWER I DON'T KNOW ABOUT. THAT WAS THE ONLY PLACE I THOUGHT ABOUT. >> LET ME TAKE A LOOK. >> ANDRE, NOW IS THE TIME TO REMOVE THOSE PAVERS. >> IN THE RIGHT OF WAY WE -- >> YEAH, WE PREFER NOT TO HAVE PAVERS. 6-INCH, 3,000 PSI. >> AS, ONE OF THE THINGS I MENTIONED IS THE FRONT YARD PROPERTY LINE IS EXTENDING TO THE PATIO AND EXTENDING IT AN ADDITIONAL 10-FOOT. THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE CONCRETE AND NOT COVERED. >> IT IS NOT COVERED. >> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE DOES NOT EXTEND. >> NO. >> OKAY. AND THEN THE BUILDING HEIGHT IS MEASURED FROM THE AVERAGE NATURAL GRADE. THAT'S SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND. IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? >> I WILL SEND YOU THAT ADJUST , ASA. >> OKAY. >> DOES THE BOARD SEE THE NEED TO BRING ANYTHING BACK BEFORE MOVING INTO PERMITTING? IS EVERYONE COMFORTABLE WITH PROCEEDING? >> PROCEED. >> I CAN GET YOU THE CHANGE. >> I THINK REALLY THE PLANS WHEN IT COMES TO DRAINAGE AND UTILITIES, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE EVERYBODY IN THE LOOP ON THAT. >> THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. I CAN PUT EVERYBODY IN THE SAME E-MAIL AND THEN YOU CAN DISTRIBUTE IT. >> WHAT WE WILL DO IS HAVE IMPROVED -- HAVE THE APPROVED SITE PLAN YOU WILL ATTACH WITH THE BUILDING PERMITS. THAT WILL BE JUST TO STREAM LINE IT. >> YOU CAN HIGHLIGHT EACH AS THEY COME IN WHICH STRUCTURE IS BEING BUILT ON THE SITE PLAN. >> OBVIOUSLY YOU WILL GO AND PUT IN YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE DRAINAGE AND THE UTILITIES PRIOR TO EEP STRUCK -- EACH STRUCTURE. >> I AM NOT -- YEAH. I HAVEN'T TALKED TO TODD ABOUT HOW THEY ARE GOING TO DO THAT. THEY WILL HAVE TO DO THAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY WILL DO IT. >> YEAH. YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO -- WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT IS -- NUMBER ONE IN AND NUMBER TWO PROTECTED DURING CONSTRUCTION. >> DO THEY INTEND TO BUILD THEM ALL OUT AT THE SAME TIME? OKAY. >> WELL, WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THE ENTRY LOT? >> WE DON'T KNOW. BECAUSE IT IS DOUBLE FRONTAGE IT DOESN'T LEAVE MUCH FOR STRUCTURE. I DON'T KNOW. I KNOW IT WILL STAY VACANT. >> YOU MAY HAVE TO MOVE OVER TOO. >> WHAT IS THAT? >> WHEN YOU CHECK FIRE YOU MAY HAVE TO MOVE IT. >> I THINK WE ARE ALREADY ON THAT. WE DON'T KNOW, REX. ONE OF THE THINGS [INAUDIBLE]. >> THE ISSUE IS THE 50-FOOT SETBACK ON THE CORNER LOT. >> YOU COULD PUT SOME TREES. >> DO YOU WANT TO BUY IT? [00:15:06] >> PUT MY NAME ON IT. >> I'M JUST SPEAKING OUT LOUD. >> I KNOW. RIGHT NOW IT IS INCONCEIVABLE. >> ALL RIGHT. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR US? >> NO, MA'AM. >> WELL, THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. THANKS. >> HAVE A GOOD DAY. >> AND WITH THAT WE CAN GO [8. DEVELOPMENT INQUIRIES FROM APPLICANTS NOT ON THE AGENDA - DISCUSSION ONLY, NO ACTION TO BE TAKEN.] OVER DEVELOPMENT INQUIRIES OR ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA. YOU ARE WELCOME TO WALK UP AND SIT AT THE FRONT TABLE. I KNOW WE HAVE A COUPLE HERE. >> HI, EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS JOSH MACDILL. I AM HERE TO TALK ABOUT ALGORITHMS. I HAVE SPOKEN TO YOU ALREADY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP. I SEPTEMBER -- I SENT OVER A REVISED YESTERDAY -- YES, THERE IT IS. I AM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THIS YET. >> KELLY, COULD YOU SCROLL TO THE UTILITY SECTION? I DID HAVE SOME COMMENTS FOR YOU ON THAT. I THINK WE CAN SIMPLIFY IT A BIT. WHAT WE'VE GOT -- GO A LITTLE HIGHER. DOWN HERE ON JEFFERSON WE HAVE A LINE ON THE NORTH SIDE WE CAN TIE A TWO-INCH INTO THAT AND RUN IT 40 FEET TO THE PROPERTY LINE. >> THEY FOUND A CLEANOUT, BUT I DON'T THINK THE GIS FROM WHAT I REMEMBER -- >> WE ARE WORKING ON THAT. >> I DIDN'T WANT TO SHORT US ON WHAT WAS APPROVED. I FIGURED IF THERE WAS SOMETHING FOUND CLOSER -- >> I WILL GET YOU A MORE DETAILED MARKUP ON THIS. ON THE WATERWAY, I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO RUN PARALLEL -- IF WE ARE RUNNING THE SIX-INCH, MOST LIKELY I AM GONNA WORK ON MAYBE FLIPPING THAT TO THE OTHER SIDE. THE WAY IT IS, THE WATERMAIN IS RIGHT ON TOP. IF WE CAN RUN THAT 6-INCH OVER HERE AND THEN TIE THESE FOLKS INTO THE SIX AND ABANDON THAT TWO, THAT WOULD BE GOOD. >> WHAT I REMEMBER FROM THE DIS IS A 2-INCH SLAB. THE SIX-INCH WAS FOR THE FIRE HAZARD SPECIFICALLY. MY CONCERN WAS TIEING THE TWO INCH TO THE SIX IS THAT IT WOULD BE ONLY USING STACKED WATER ON THE FIRE LINE. >> IDEALLY WE WOULD TIE EVERYBODY ON JEFFERSON ON THAT 6-INCH. >> WOULD THAT BE THE CITY DOING THAT? >> THAT WOULD BE THE CITY DOING THAT. YOU WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR RUNNING THE LINE TO PROVIDE THE HYDRANT IN SERVICE TO THE DEVELOPMENT. WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR BANDING THAT 2-INCH TIE IN. I NEED TO DOUBLE CHECK, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE ARE GOING ON THAT. >> THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD PLAN. >> IT WOULD BE CLEANER. LET ME GET AMOR DETAILED MARKUP ON THAT. >> OKAY. >> I THINK THE DRAINAGE LOOKS GOOD. I DIDN'T GET TO LOOK AT THE DRAINING WITH RESPECT TO THE TREES. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU ACCOUNTED FOR? >> IN AN EXTREMELY LONG AND IN DEPTH WAY, YES. WE WANTED TO TRY TO SAVE AS MANY TREES AS BE COULD. UNFORTUNATELY WITH THE GRADE AND GRADE EXCHANGES IF WE CAN PUT A FOOT OR SO ON TOP OF THE TREES IT WILL GIVE US TIME. WE SHOWED AND BASED ON PAST EXPERIENCE I WOULD TELL YOU ON OUR DEMO PLAN THAT THIS TREE WILL HAVE TO COME OUT. IF THERE IS A WAY TO SAVE IT BY USING SOME KIND OF A LANDSCAPED WALL WHEN WE GET INTO IT, THEN I THINK THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY THE THING TO [00:20:02] DO ESPECIALLY WITH THE TREES ON THE PROPERTY. THERE ARE A FEW MAGNOLIA TREES WE WANT TO KEEP AND I THINK WE POSSIBLY CAN. WHAT WE DID WAS SHOW -- IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE. >> THANK YOU. I WAS LOOKING FOR IT. >> 91 TREES LOOKS LIKE A LOT. WE SHOWED EVERYTHING WHETHER IT IS A 6-INCH, YOU KNOW, UP TO WHATEVER IT MAY BE. A LOT OF THEM ARE SMALLER TREES. WE TRIED TO KEEP OUT OF THE TREES AND WE DID A LOT OF SNAKING. THIS WAS MORE OF A STRAIGHT SHOT AND SEE WHAT THE TREES -- AND THAT'S DUE TO NOT THE ROAD OR THE HOUSE, BUT THE GRADE THAT HAS TO BE TESTED. >> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WORKED CLOSELY AT ALL WITH DAVE HOLLY OUR ARBORIST? >> NO. >> WHEN YOU GET CLOSE TO STAGING THIS OUT, DAVE IS MORE THAN HAPPY TO WALK THE PROPERTY WITH YOU AND LOOK AT THE CONDITION OF THOSE TREES, THE MODIFICATIONS YOU CAN MAKE AND I APPRECIATE THE APPROACH OF THE PERMIT AND WORKING TO SAVE IT, SO IT IS A BONUS. >> [INAUDIBLE] THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW WE DO IT. SEVEN TREES GOING OUT AND WE HAVE THESE TWO WHERE WE PHYSICALLY DO IT. OR A RETAINING WALL. THIS BOWING -- THIS COULD EASILY BE DONE. >> AND DAVE IS MORE THAN HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU AND I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO WALK THE SITE AND LOOKING AT WAYS TO TWEAK THE DESIGN TO UH COME DAY -- ACCOMMODATE THAT. >> IF WE CAN GO BACK TO THE GRADE PLAN. I CAN EXPLAIN HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE ON THE DESIGN. ONE MORE. SO TIE IN THE DISINGRADES, THERE IS ACTUALLY [INAUDIBLE] BUT IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE WE KEPT THE GRADES ON THE PROPERTY AND THE BOUNDARY LINES. WE DIDN'T AFFECT ANYBODY OVER HERE. IT WAS A VERY DELICATE MIX OF HORIZONTAL ALIGNMENT AND PURPLE ALIGNMENT. THERE IS A PROFILE. CAN YOU SCROLL DOWN HERE? I THINK IT IS THE NEXT PAGE. I JUST WANT TO -- THERE IT IS. YOU CAN SEE THE DASH LINE IS THE EXISTING GRADE FOR THE ALIGNMENT OF THE GRADE OF THE DRIVEWAY. TWEAKING IT UP AND DOWN, IT PUSHES IT OUT AND THERE ARE TWO CONSTRAINTS. THERE IS AN 86 AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE LIMIT ANY FILL AND WE CAN'T TOUCH IT ON THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE MINIMIZE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. THAT HORIZONTAL ALIGNMENT IS THE SWEET SPOT. WE HAD A LOT OF ITERATIONS TRYING TO PLAY WITH IT. >> I THINK YOU GOT THE SECTION THERE -- >> YES. SEWER AND UTILITIES, FIRE TRUCK ACCESS. >> I HAVEN'T HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THESE PLANS VERY MUCH. SPEAKING OF THE TREES I THINK ONCE YOU GET ON THE PROPERTY AND YOU LOOK AT THE HEIGHT OF [00:25:10] THE TREE AND BY JUST LOOKING AT THIS, I WOULD PREFER TO SEE THE STREET, THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY PAVED FROM SOUTH FLETCHER TO THE ENTRANCE OF THIS PROPERTY. I HAVE BEEN APPROACHED BY TWO OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT JOINED THAT PROPERTY THAT WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE THAT PAVED. IT WOULD INCLUDE STORM WATER AND EVERYTHING ELSE. THE IMPROVEMENT IS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THE PLANS AND GO THERE AND LOOK AT IT. I KNOW I CAN'T -- I KNOW I CAN'T FORCE YOU TO PAVE FROM WHERE YOU ENTER THAT PROPERTY TO SOUTH FLETCHER, BUT THAT'S WHAT SHOULD BE DONE IN MY OPINION. AND WHAT IS TO STOP THESE PEOPLE IN TIME FROM PUTTING A GATE UP AT THE PROPERTY LINE TO WHERE YOU CAN'T UTILIZE THE TURN, OR WHAT IS GOING TO STOP THE PUBLIC FROM DRIVING IN THERE? >> I SPOKE WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. >> [INAUDIBLE] AND YOU CAN SEND IT TO THE -- >> WE'RE GOOD WITH THE GATE. >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANYTHING I LEFT OUT. NO, I THINK THE UTILITY THING IS GOOD. >> THAT WAY YOU ARE NOT CROSSING FLETCHER. IT SIMPLIFIES YOUR WORK TO GET THAT CONNECTION IN. I'LL GET AMOR DETAILED MARKUP AS SOON AS I CAN. A MORE DETAILED MARKUP AS SOON AS I CAN. >> I CAN SUBMIT A MORE FORMAL -- >> YES. I THINK THE APPROACH IS GOOD. I WILL LOOK AT THE NUMBERS. THERE IS PROBABLY SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THERE TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE TREES AND YOU CAN ADJUST THAT GRADING A LITTLE BIT. WE CAN HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY. >> THE LAST THING I WOULD SAY ABOUT THE GRADE IS WE HAD THIS TUGBOAT SURVEY. AND IT WAS LUCKILY VERY GOOD. IT WAS MATCHED UP WITH THE TUGBOAT. IT WAS MATCHED UP WELL. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE NOT CREATING POCKETS OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARY LINE. WE DID ENSURE THAT. IF YOU GO TO THE PROPERTY WHICH I'M SURE YOU HAVE -- ARE YOU ALL FAMILIAR WITH THIS WHERE THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE IS COMING IN, IT DROPS OFF PRETTY SHARP THERE. AND IT IS HARD TO TELL WHAT IS HAPPENING BACK BEHIND IT. IT SHOW -- THE TUGBOAT SHOWS IT DROPS OFF AND WE TIED IT ON AND IT DOES GO OUT. >> ANY WATER THAT IS COMING OFF THE PROPERTY NOW WILL BE REDIRECTED TO THE NORTH? >> CAN YOU GO OVER THAT ONE MORE TIME? >> YEAH, RIGHT THERE. >> WHAT WE WILL DO IS PUT A LITTLE SPOT RIGHT HERE AND IT CATCHES SO ALL OF THIS WAS NOT OVER FLOWING THE ROAD, AND IT WAS ABLE TO BEED TO THE POND AND THEN OUT. >> I THINK THAT APPROACH WOULD WORK WELL. THAT PIPE WILL NEED TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS MAINTAINED AND MAKE SURE IT CONTINUES TO BE CLEAR. 18 SHOULD GIVE YOU PLENTY OF CAPACITY. IT WILL ALLOW FOR SOME -- >> AND THE GOOD THING IS [INAUDIBLE] WHICH IS A LUXURY IN THIS PART OF THE COUNTRY. IF YOU CAN THINK ABOUT A PIPE -- >> ABSOLUTELY. >> WHAT ARE THE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY RIGHT THERE? >> JUST SOME GRADING AND IT WAS GOING TO BE MATCHED I BELIEVE ASPHALT AND IT WILL BE [00:30:10] NATURALLED WHERE -- BE MATCHED WHERE THE PROPERTY STARTS. >> JASON YOU ARE GOING TO BE FINE WITH BEING ABLE TO GET IN THERE AND OUT WITH FIRE? >> THAT'S WHAT HE DESIGNED IT ON. >> THE CROSS SECTION BRINGS IT ON A ROAD AND PART OF THE SUB BASE WAS A GEO WEB AND THAT WAS TO REALLY -- IT WAS TO USE -- TO HELP MITIGATE THE ROOF. BUT THAT BASE -- THAT'S WHAT I EXPECT HERE IN THE DETAILS. THE GEO WEB IS FOUR INCHES. AND THEN THE GRAVEL TO KEEP IT CONSOLIDATED AND MAKE SURE ANY HEAVY WHEEL LOADS WOULD BE SPREAD THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. >> YEAH. THAT CROSS SECTION. THE AGGREGATE BASE AND THE GEO WEB. >> AT FIRST GLANCE THE UTILITY CONNECTION, I WILL GO THROUGH A REVIEW AND GET THAT BACK TO YOU. >> THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> KELLY, DO WE NEED TO DO ANYTHING TO CONSIDER THIS A FORMAL SUBMITTAL, OR IS IT ALREADY A RESUBMIT TALL? >> I BELIEVE THIS WAS A RESUBMITTAL, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A FORMAL SUBMITTAL PRIOR TO THIS. I THINK IT WAS ALWAYS AS A PRE APPLICATION. I COULD BE WRONG. GIVEN THE CHANGE AT THIS POINT EVERYTHING IS OFF THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND THERE IS REALLY JUST THAT DRIVEWAY CONNECTION NOW ON TO JEFFERSON AND AT THIS POINT IT WOULD NOT CAUSE A FULL SUBMITTAL BEFORE THE TRC. BUT CERTAINLY BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE IMPROVEMENT AND HAVING EVERYTHING HERE AND EVERYONE ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT THE EXTENT OF THE IMPROVEMENTS IS REALLY CRITICAL. I THINK THIS WOULD SERVE TO MEET THAT NEED. >> SO IS THERE ANYTHING WE NEED TO DO -- >> I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO. I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO. I AM GETTING THE PLANS UPDATED AND OF COURSE CONTINUING TO WORK ON THE TREES AS YOU GO THROUGH THE SITE. WE WILL MAKE ANY ADJUSTMENTS AND WE WILL SUBMIT FOR THE BUILDING PLANS WITH YOUR HOME. >> THE BOSS IS GOING TO WANT TO PUSH YOU TO ELECTRONIC. AS I TOLD YOU EARLIER, CHECK WITH THE DESIGN AND MAKE SURE ON THE CODE CHANGE. >> GOOD QUESTION ON THAT. I CAN PUT THIS ONE DOWN. >> CAN YOU PUT YOUR MASK ON? >> SORRY. >> THIS IS NOW PART OF THE SUBMITTAL WE DID FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT EIGHT MONTHS AGO. IS THAT RIGHT? >> THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE SAY SNG. >> I ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT HAS BEEN UP LOADED. I THINK JONATHON HAD PREVIOUSLY UP LOADED THAT OR MAYBE YOU DID EARLIER THIS WEEK? >> NO. >> SO FOLLOWING THIS MEETING YOU WILL WANT TO HAVE THAT FINAL SET UP LOADED AS PART OF THE BUILDING PLAN. >> THE BUILDING PERMIT, THAT'S [00:35:01] WHAT I'M SAYING. YOU LISTED IT AS A RESUBMIT IT -- AND IT KICKED IT OUT OF THE PAPER. IT WAS ORIGINALLY ON PAPER IN THE SUBMITTAL. WE WERE PUSHING TO ELECTRONIC AND ONE THING I CAUTIONED HIM ON IS CODE CHANGE. HE SAID HE WILL CHECK THAT AND I BELIEVE HE WILL BE OKAY. COMING IN HE WILL NEED TO RESUBMIT IT UNDER ELECTRIC -- ELECTRONIC. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> WITH WHAT YOU REQUIRE FROM YOUR ORIGINAL REVIEW OTHER THAN THAT -- OTHER THAN THIS. >> I THINK WHAT IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO KEEP OUR ORIGINAL SUBMITTAL DAY FROM I THINK MARCH OR WHATEVER IT WAS. SO IF WE WERE TO GET IT ELECTRONICALLY UP LOADED TODAY INSTEAD OF PAPER, THAT RECEIVED IT WAY BACK WHEN. >> IT TERMED IT AS A REVISION AT THAT POINT. IT WOULD COME IN AS A REVISION TO THE ORIGINAL SUBMITTAL PLAN. EVERYTHING COMES IN AS UP LOADED DOCUMENTS. >> IT WAS NEVER ISSUED AS A PERMIT. IT WAS A RESUBMIT SO HOW IS IT A REVISION? >> IT IS A RESUBMITTAL OF THE REQUEST. >> JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE ON THAT. IT IS NOT A REVISION. IT IS A RESUBMITTAL. ELECTRONIC. >> YES. >> I WILL WORK WITH YOU AND YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND UP LOAD IT AND GET IT WORKING IN THE SYSTEM AND BY THE TIME IT GETS TO MY REVIEW WE WILL HAVE THE UTILITIES WORKED OUT. SO WE CAN RESUBMIT THAT REVISION AND THEN WE CAN WORK THROUGH. >> THESE PLANS FOR UTILITIES DON'T AFFECT THE PLAN. WHILE THOSE ARE GOING ON YOU CAN WORK OUT THE UTILITIES SO THAT BY THE TIME IT GETS TO MY REVIEW AT UTILITIES WE CAN MOVE IT RIGHT ALONG. >> SURE. GREAT. >> AND I WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THE REQUESTED IMPROVEMENTS. >> YOU WILL BE IN THAT CUE -- -- IN THAT QUE TOO. >> AND THE GRADING WILL HAVE DIFFERENT CONTOURS AND WE WILL FIX THE TILE. THEY DIDN'T REALLY DO IT ON THE RIGHT AWAY. WE'LL MAKE SURE EVERYTHING MATCHES UP AND WORKS. >> DID THE SURVEY LOCATE THE TREES IN THAT SECTION RIGHT AWAY? >> YES, BUT JUST IN THAT IMMEDIATE AREA. >> SO EVERYTHING HAS BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR? >> I BELIEVE SO, YES. >> ALL RIGHT. ARE WE MOVING THIS ON TO PERMIT? >> THANK YOU. >> YOU'RE WELCOME. >> THANK YOU. >> GOOD MORNING. I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF RICKY ROBBINS. WE HAVE 1476SADLER ROAD. IT USED TO BE A STORE AND IT IS IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST OF [INAUDIBLE] IN THAT SHOPPING CENTER. WE KNOW IT IS A CHANGE OF OCCUPANCY. IT IS A CHANGE OF OCCUPANCY AND WE WANTED TO CONFIRM WITH YOU GUYS IF WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS TRC PROCESS AS PART OF THAT? DO WE TEAR THE BUILDING UP, OR WHERE DO WE GO FOR CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS ? >> THE CODE DIRECTS WHERE THERE IS A CHANGE OF USE THROUGH THE CITY'S CODE DEFINITIONS AND PRINCIPAL USES THAT YOU COME BEFORE THE TRC AS A FREE APPLICATION DISCUSSION. WHAT I CAN DO IS HAVE YOU FILE THIS FORMALLY FOLLOWING THE MEETING. THE DISCUSSION THAT WE HAVE HERE TODAY CAN CERTAINLY SERVE TO MEET THAT PURPOSE. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE -- JUST TO DOCUMENT THAT WE ARE HAVING THE DISCUSSION AND THEN PROVIDE TO YOU NOTES ABOUT WHAT WE DISCUSSED HERE TODAY. >> IS THERE AN APPLICATION FEE FOR THAT? >> THERE IS AN APPLICATION FEE, BUT IT IS AN ONLINE FORM AND I CAN SEND YOU THAT LINK. [00:40:12] >> THE SPACE IS ABOUT 1360 SQUARE FEET. THERE IS ONE PARTITION. THERE IS A BATHROOM IN THE BACK THAT IS ADA AND WE WILL REORIENT THE ENTRY TO GET INTO THAT AND GET YOU A HALLWAY. THERE WILL BE A COMMERCIAL KITCHEN. IT WILL BE A WALK IN AND TAKEOUT WITH GENERAL SEATING. IT IS GOING TO BE A MINIMAL MEETING SPACE. >> MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T OPEN DIRECTLY TO THE KITCHEN. >> YES, THANK YOU, TOM. AND THE BUILDING REQUIRES SPRINKLER DESIGN BETWEEN THE TENANT SPACES. WE WILL HAVE ENGINEERING AND ELECTRICAL AND MECHANICAL. >> IS THERE RUNNING GAS? >> I DON'T THINK WE WILL HAVE GAS AT THAT LOCATION. >> I STARTED LOOKING INTO THIS AS FAR AS THE WATER. WAS THIS THE CASE WHERE THERE WAS NEVER A WATER SERVICE TO THE GOODWILL FACILITY? >> I COULDN'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. >> I THINK IT MIGHT HAVE COME FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE GOODWILL LOCATION NEVER HAD A WATER SERVICE. THEY WERE TIED IN SOMEHOW TO MATTRESS FIRM. >> SO THEY WERE TIED INTO MATTRESS FIRM. >> THAT'S THE INFORMATION I RECEIVED. SO THIS IS A PRIVATE SEWER COLLECTION THAT GOES TO A LIFT STATION THAT PUMPS TO THE CITY. THERE WAS NEVER AN ACCOUNT FOR THIS. WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT YOUR BUILDOUT. LOOK AT THE UTILITIES AND WHATEVER CROSS CONNECTION HAS TO BE TAPPED. IT WILL BE A NEW SERVICE. I DON'T THINK THERE IS GOING TO BE ANY CREDIT BECAUSE THERE WAS NEVER ANY PERMITTED USE THERE BEFORE. THERE WAS NEVER ANY IMPACT FOR THE USE THERE BEFORE. IT WILL BE STARTING FROM SCRATCH. I CHECKED TO SEE -- BECAUSE THERE SHOULD BE A METER BOX THAT WAS PLACED FOR THIS. SERVICES STEPPED OUT SO MAYBE THERE WASN'T A METER SET. >> WE WILL CONFIRM WITH THE ENGINEER TO SEE WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE. >> I'LL LOOK INTO IT A LITTLE MORE, BUT THAT'S MY INITIAL IMPRESSION OF WHAT THE SITUATION IS. >> ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE ANY HOOD SYSTEMS? >> YES. >> YOU NEED TO CHECK THEM WITH CLEARANCES WITH THE OTHER HOOD SYSTEMS. LIKE FANCY SUSHI RIGHT THERE. >> [INAUDIBLE] AND MAKE SURE WE GET THE CLEARANCES. >> ARE YOU NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANY OF THE PARKING OUT FRONT? >> NO. NOTHING SITE WISE IS BEING DONE. IT HAS ACCESS -- IT ALREADY HAS ACCESSIBILITY WITH THE ENTRANCE. >> SINCE YOU WILL HAVE A FULL KITCHEN DOES THAT MEAN THE TYPE OF FOOD YOU ARE SERVING? I UNDERSTAND THERE IS TAKEOUT. >> SO WHEN YOU DECIDE THAT CHECK IN WITH RON BROWN OVER AT WATER AND UTILITIES. YOU CAN SEE HOW HE WANTS TO WORK WITH THAT. DON'T HAVE JOHN HERE GIVE YOU HIS CAN SPEECH. >> ARE YOU GOING TO BE SHARING A DUMPSTER? >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DUMPSTER SITUATION IS, BUT IT IS OFF THE BACK AND WHETHER IT IS -- THERE IS A SERIES OF THEM. >> THERE ARE. >> THE DUMPSTER SERIES MESS. >> IT IS AND THAT'S WHY I BRING IT UP. >> QUITE OFTEN THERE IS OVER FLOW AND THE GATES ARE LEFT OPEN. >> DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THE DUMPSTER SITUATION? >> WELL, JUST -- IT IS AN ISSUE AND WE GET COMPLAINT FROM THE NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET. PART OF THE PROBLEM IS WHEN ANOTHER RESTAURANT LEFT. BE COGNIZANT OF KEEPING THE LIDS CLOSED AND THE GATES CLOSED BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. THEY HAVE BEEN THERE A LONGTIME. A LOT LONGER THAN ANYBODY IN [00:45:02] THIS MALL. JUST BE COGNIZANT OF ALL OF THAT. >> WE WILL DO THAT. >> THANK YOU. >> IS THERE ANOTHER ONE OVER HERE? >> THERE ARE A BHOL BUNCH. WHOLE BUNCH. >> THEY ARE SPRINKLED ALL OVER. >> IT HAS BEEN AN ISSUE FOR A LONGTIME. THEY ARE ALL ISSUES, BUT THAT IS THE WORST. >> THERE IS THES ABOUT -- THERE IS THE BUSY ROUTE. >> THERE IS DEFINITELY A LOT GOING ON THERE. >> ALL RIGHT. SO WE APPLY ONLINE. >> YES, I WILL SEND YOU A LINK TO THAT FORM. >> AND THEN WE CAN GO INTO PERMITTING AS WELL. >> YES. YOU WILL APPLY FOR A LOCAL BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT. AND THEN ANY SIGNAGE YOU ARE LOOKING TO INSTALL WHETHER WHETHER IT IS A SHOPPING SIGN THAT EXISTS ON THE FACE OF THE STRUCTURE, ANYTHING THAT YOU ARE DOING MAYBE INTERNATIONALLY TO THE WINDOW AREA, ANYTHING THAT REQUIRES A PERMIT I WOULD SAY GO AHEAD AND PERMIT THE MAXIMUM YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO DO TO AVOID A CONTINUOUS-BASED FEE. IT IS A $60 BASE FEE EVERY TIME. IF YOU ARE ABLE TO DO A SIGN AND NOT SURE YOU WANT TO DO IT JUST YET, APPLY FOR IT SO YOU HAVE COVERAGE WHEN YOU ARE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. THAT WAY YOU ARE NOT PAYING ANOTHER $60. >> THAT'S IT. >> IT IS EXCITING. >> ANY OTHER ITEMS ? ANYTHING FOR THE BOARD TO [9. COMMITTEE BUSINESS] DISCUSS OR CONSIDER THIS MORNING? POINTS OR CONCERNS? >> SIGN OFF? >> YES IF YOU HAVE NOT SIGNED OFF, GO AHEAD. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE THREE SIGNATURE COPIES THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AND I THINK DAVE NEEDS TO SIGN OFF ON THOSE. OTHERWISE I THINK THAT'S ALL I GOT. >> ARE THOSE THE SAME ONES FROM LAST WEEK? >> YES. WITH THAT, THIS IS OUR LAST MEETING OF 2020 AND WE WILL SEE YOU IN 2021. >> HAPPY HOLIDAYS. MERRY CHRISTMAS. >> YES. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.