>> THAT'S I.T. SILVIE? YOU READY?
[1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF QUORUM]
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GOOD EVENING EVERYONE, CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH DECEMBER 16TH, WHICH 20, THE MEETING FOR THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IS NOW IN SESSION. PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.>> MEMBER PAPKE, MEMBER COOK, MEMBER GLEASON, MEMBER OLIVA,
MEMBER STILLNESS, MEMBER MILLER. >> WOULD YOU DO THE PLEDGE.
WE HAVE GOT FULL BOARD TONIGHT SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEAT ANYBODY. DOES ANY BOARD MEMBER HAVE ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATION ABOUT EITHER OF THESE TWO ITEMS THAT
ARE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT? >> NO.
>> ALL RIGHT TAYLOR ENTER THAT IN THAT NOBODY HAS HAD GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. ONCE WE GET STARTED, EVERYONE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK IS GOING TO HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO GET EVERYBODY SWORN IN SO IF WE COULD DO THAT ALL AT ONE TIME THAT IS JUST GRAIK.
WE HAVE OUR CITY ATTORNEY WITH US TONIGHT AS ALWAYS.
MS. BACH. SHE IS GOING TO RUN THROUGH WHY WE HAVE THESE MEETINGS LIKE WE DO, HOW THE VOAC VOTING HAS TO D MOST IMPORTANTLY IF THERE IS AN APPEAL THE PROCESS FOR THAT.
MS. BACH WOULD YOU RUN US THROUGH THAT PLEASE?
>> THE CASES ON THE AGENDA EACH ONE OF THEM WE WILL HAVE A QUASIJUDICIAL HEARING AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS FIRST CITY STAFF MRS. FOREHAND WITH CITY STAFF WILL MAKE A PRESENTATION, SHE HAS PREPARED DOCUMENTS THAT SHE WILL ENTER INTO THE RECORD FOR EACH CASE. THEN THE APPLICANT AND THEIR AGENT WILL COME UP TO THE MANY PODIUM, PLEASE TAKE THE OATH WHEN YOU'RE ASKED. ANY AFFECTED PROPERTY WHICH MEANS YOU'RE A PROPERTY OWNER OR RESIDENT OF THE CITY WOULD THEN GET TO COME UP WHEN THE PUBLIC HEARING'S OPEN AND YOU WILL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE.
YOU'RE NOT LIMITED BY THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU GET TO SPEAK AND YOU WILL ALSO TAKE THE OATH. IF THERE'S AN APPEAL THAT'S FILED OF ANY OF THESE DECISIONS, THAT APPEAL HAS TO BE FILED WITHIN 30 DAYS TO THE CIRCUIT COURT.
I DID NEGLECT TO SAY THAT CROSS-EXAMINATION IS PERMITTED BY THE PARTIES, THE CITY OR APPLICANT.
AND AFFECTED PARTIES WHICH MEANS THAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO ASK EACH OTHER QUESTIONS WITH THE PERMISSION OF THE CHAIR.
A AND AGAIN, YOU'LL ALL TAKE AN OATH IN ORDER TO DO THAT.
TONIGHT IN ORDER TO PROVE A APPA VARIANCE, THE CITY CODE REQUIRES THAT FOUR OUT OF FIVE HAVE TO APPROVE THAT MOTION IN ORDER TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE. IF THERE IS A MOTION TO DENY THE VARIANCE THAT REQUIRES A SIMPLE MAJORITY THREE OUT OF FIVE TO PASS THAT MOTION, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT? AND THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE CITY CODE.
FOUR OUT OF FIVE. SUPERMAJORITY TO APPROVE A
>> CHAIR WE NEED TO SIT OUR FIRST ALTERNATE, MEMBER OLIVA
HAS A VOTE TONIGHT. >> DID YOU TALK WITH MARK?
>> OKAY GOOD SO NOTED THAT HE HAS BEEN SEATED THEN.
HURT,ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU FOR T. WILL YOU PLEASE GET ALL PARTIES
SWORN IN THEN? >> IF ALL PARTIES WHO WISH TO SPEAK WOULD STAND UP AND RAY YOUR HAND.
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>> I DON'T REMEMBER IF MEMBER OLIVA VOTED NAY OR NOT BUT I
KNOW I DIDN'T. >> I THINK THOSE ARE BACKWARDS.
>> TAYLOR YOU GOT THAT? >> YES, SIR.
>> ALL RIGHT, WHAT ELSE WE GOT ON THE OTHER ONE? ANYTHING ON THAT ONE BARRY? WAS THAT THE ONE WE REVISED?
>> YES. >> THAT WAS REVISED, THE SENTENCE WAS TAKEN OUT, THAT WAS FINE.
>> ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS GOT ANYTHING? ALL RIGHT I NEED A MOTION, LET'S GET THEM APPROVED.
>> MOTION TO APPROVE MEETING MINUTES FROM OCTOBER, DO THEM
SEPARATELY? >> YES, LET'S DO THEM
SEPARATELY. >> OCTOBER 21ST, 2020,
>> SECOND. >> TAYLOR WOULD YOU CALL THE
VOTE. >> MEMBER PAPKE, YES, MEMBER HERTSLET, YES. MEMBER MILLER,.
>> YES, THAT MOTION IS PASSED. LET'S GET A MOTION FOR THE
NOVEMBER EANLTD MINUTES. >> I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE
APPROVE THOSE MINUTES. >> WITH A CORRECTION PROSPECT.
>> WITH A CORRECTION. >> FIRST I NEED A SECOND.
>> SECOND. >> TAYLOR WOULD YOU CALL THE
VOTE ON THAT PLEASE. >> MEMBER PAPKE, YES.
MEMBER HERTSLET, MEMBER OLIVA, YES, CHAIR MILLER.
>> YES, BOOKKEEPING AND HOUSE KEEPING ARE MARKED OFF.
DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE ARE YOUDA? >> YES.
[5.1 BOA 2020-0012 - MARK & DORIE CHAUNCEY, 321 N. 19TH STEET Request for Variance from LDC Section 4.02.03(E) to reduce front yard setback. (QuasiJudicial)]
>> BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS 2020-12. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 321 NORTH 19TH STREET. ZONED R-1, LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THE REQUESTED ACTION TONIGHT IS A VARIANCE FROM LDT SECTION, SINGLE SYSTEM HOUSE AND FOR THE RECORD, ALL REQUIRED APPLICATION MATERIALS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED, ALL FEES HAVE BEEN PAID AND ALL REQUIRED NOTION NOTICES HAVE B.
SO THE APPLICANT REQUESTING TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED 25 FOOT FRONT YARD SET BACK. THE PLIRKT WOULD LIKE TO PRODUCE A FRONT PORCH. FRONT YARD SET BACK TO 19 FEET SEVEN INCHES. AND HERE WE HAVE THE EXISTING NONCONFORMING PORCH. AND HERE IS THE PROPOSED COVERED PORCH ADDITION. GETTING INTO THE CONSISTENCY WITH THE SIX CRITERIA FOR GRANTING THE VARIANCE.
YES, SPECIAL CONDITIONS OR CIRCUMSTANCES DO EXIST WHICH ARE PARTICULAR TO THE LAND INVOLVED WHICH ARE NOT APPLICABLE TO OTHER STRUCTURES IN THE ZONING DISTRICT.
DUE TO THE ABNORMAL SHAPE OF THE LOT COMBINED TO THE SHAPE OF THE ROAD, DOES NOT COMPLY WITH CURRENT SETBACKS.
SPECIALTY PRIVILEGE. NO, GRANTING THE VARIANCE DOES EMBARK TO OTHER LAND STRUCTURES OR BUILDINGS IN THE ZONING DISTRICT. THE LDC DOES HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE TOLL FOR REDUCING FRONT YARD SETBACKS.
HOWEVER WHEN LESS THAN 50% OF THE BLOCK FACE IS NONCONFORMING, NOT AVAILABLE TOOL AND THE MINIMUM FRONT YARD SET BACK APPLIES. THRILITERAL INTERPRETATION, ALL1 ZONE ARE PROPERTIES REQUIRE A 25 FOOT FRONT YARD SET BACK.
MINIMUM VARIANCE, YES, THE VARIANCE REQUESTED IS THE MINIMUM VARIANCE NEEDED TO MAKE POSSIBLE THE REASONABLE USE OF THE LAND. LDC SECTION IS THE ONLY VARIANCE REQUESTED. GENERAL HARMONY, YES, GRANTING THE VARIANCE WILL BE IN HARMONY WITH THE GENERAL INTENT AND PURPOSE OF LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
GRANTING THE VARIANCE WILL ACKNOWLEDGE PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS AND ALLOW FOR COVERED EXTENSION OF THE EXISTING NONCONFORMING PORCH. AND PUBLIC INTEREST, YES, GRANTING THE VARIOUS IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. IT WOULD NOT CAUSE INJURY TO THE AREA INVOLVED OR OTHERWISE BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, WELFARE OR ENVIRONMENT.
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THE REQUESTED ACTION AS PRESENTED DOES NOT MEET ALL SIX CRITERIA. THEREFORE, STAFF MUST RECOMMENDDENIAL OF THE 2020-12. BOA 2020. >> IS IT R-2 OR R-1?
>> R-1. >> ON THE MINIMUM VARIANCE YOU
>> WHY DO YOU SAY YES? >> THIS IS THE ONLY VARIANCE THEY ARE REQUESTING. THEY ARE NOT REQUESTING ANY MORE THAN THAT AND IT IS ALREADY NONCONFORMING.
>> WAS A BUILDING PERMIT ISSUED FOR THAT?
>> FOR THE NONCONFORMING? I BELIEVE SO.
HE. >> THE HOME WAS CONSTRUCTED -- SO THERE MAY HAVE BEEN. I DO NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
>> I WAS JUST WONDERING IF IT HAD BEEN REMODELED OR SOMETHING
RECENTLY. >> I DON'T THINK IT HAS EVER HAD
ANY (INAUDIBLE). >> OKAY, THANK YOU.
>> HAS THE BOARD GOT ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF BEFORE WE GET INTO IT? JEFF?
>> NOT FOR THE STAFF, NO. WELL, I THINK -- SO THE HOME
PREEXISTS THE CURRENT CODE. >> RIGHT.
>> OKAY. >> SO BACK TO WHAT BARRY WAS SAYING, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT JUST A SECOND, DAPHNE.
THIS IS ALREADY HERE? >> CORRECT.
SO I WILL BRING OUT THE CORRECT PLAN SO YOU CAN HAVE A VISUAL
HERE OF WHAT IS EXISTING. >> SO THE PARTLY OF THE PART OF THE STRUCTURETHAT I GUEI SIGH ISEE IT LISTED AS A SCREEN-
>> IT'S LISTED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE?
>> IT IS YES. >> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR
MS. DAPHNE? >> WELL, YOU KNOW, GETTING BACK TO MY QUESTION, I JUST WONDER WHY IT'S CONSIDERED REASONABLE TO -- FOR THEM TO PUT A ROOF ON THE PORCH.
WHY DOES THAT MAKE IT THE REASONABLE USE OF THE LAND?
HAVING A ROOF ON A PORCH? >> ARE YOU ASKING WHY IT'S CONSIDERED MINIMUM VARIANCE OR WHY THERE IS A --
>> WHY YOU RESPONDED YES TO THIS.
>> TO THE MINIMUM VARIANCE? >> RIGHT.
>> BECAUSE THEY ALREADY HAVE AN EXISTING NONCONFORMING COVERED PORCH CONSTRUCTED. SO ADDING TO THIS, THERE WOULD BE NO ADDITIONAL VARIANCE NEEDED.
FOR THIS EXTENSION. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY THEY ARE MODIFYING THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE AND THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOUSE IS STILL WITHIN THE SETBACKS.
SO THIS IS A MINIMUM VARIANCE THEY COULD USE TO ACCOMPLISH
>> IT'S THE NEXT PLAN, NOT THIS ONE.
THIS ONE IS NONCONFORMING. YOU SEE HOW THE THEY'VE PUT THE BEDROOM TO THE FRONT BUT THEN THAT'S WITHIN THE SET BACK.
>> OKAY WITH THAT? >> ACTUALLY THE WHOLE HOUSE HAS BEEN REDONE IT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE ORIGINAL.
PLANNED USE. >> THERE WOULD BE JUST THE ONE ADDITION FOR THE BEDROOM AND THEN (INAUDIBLE).
>> YOU'RE FINE. WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT GOING ON DURING THESE PANDEMIC ADVENTURES, SO HOLD ON, HOLD ON JUST A SECOND, LET'S JUST HAVE BREAKS ON THAT.
>> SURE. >> ANYTHING ELSE, CHUCK YOU GOT
>> NOW WE'RE READY TO HEAR FROM YOU IF YOU'LL COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND THEN JUST GIVE US YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> SURE. I'M DORY CHAUNCEY, THE ADDRESS IS 321 NORTH 19TH STREET, FERNANDINA BEACH.
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SO YEAH, MY HUSBAND AND I BOTH ARE LIKE LONG RESIDENTS.I'M TEN GENERATIONS HERE, WE BOTH WERE BORN AT THE HOSPITAL, WE GREW UP IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AND WHEN WE FOUND THIS LITTLE TINY HOUSE IT WAS LIKE LITERALLY OUR DREAM HOME TO LIVE IN THE HILLS OF THE NORTH END.
SO WE BOUGHT IT ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO AND OUR DAUGHTER'S GROWN, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WE HAD OUR HIGH SCHOOL STUFF, LIVE IN A SMALL TOWN, THE HIGH SCHOOL, SO WE DECIDED TO JUST ADD AN ADDITIONAL BEDROOM, OFTEN UP THE LIVING SPACE BECAUSE THE KITCHEN IS COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM THE LIVING ROOM BUT WE SPENT ALL OF OUR TIME ON OUR TINY LITTLE PORCH THAT'S THERE ANONYMITY.
OUR BACKYARD IS REALLY CLOSE TO THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE, EVERYBODY HAS GOT THESE HUGE FRONT YARDS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD SO WE ALWAYS END UP ON THAT LITTLE TINY FRONT PORCH WITH OUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY. SO THE IDEA IS JUST BRINGING THE OUTDOOR SPACE JUST OFF OF THE -- YOU KNOW THE NEWLY RENOVATED LIVING SPACE. IS WHAND RIGHT NOW, THERE IS A G CONCRETE PAD THAT GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND.
SO IT'S NOT VERY ATTRACTIVE LOOKING AS IT IS.
I REALLY DO THINK IT WILL MAKE IT LOOK PRETTIER.
WE ARE AT THE DEAD END SO WE'RE ASKING FOR YOU KNOW SIX FEET TO GO -- IT WILL BE SIX FEET DIFFERENT THAN I GIS SOME OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORS' HOUSES BUT BECAUSE WE'RE AT THE DEAD END IT ACTUALLY WOULDN'T BE LIKE YOU KNOW AN EYESORE OR LIKE ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE IS A HOUSE OUT AND THE OTHER HOUSES ARE IN.
SO WHAT ELSE CAN I SAY? >> OKAY.
I THINK YOU DID FINE. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
OR ANYTHING? >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE
APPLICANT? >> YEAH, SO I WAS ASKING BEFORE, SO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE THERE, THAT IS A COVERED
SCREENED PORCH RIGHT NOW? >> IT IS THE.
THE HOUSE IS REALLY ELEVATED BECAUSE IT'S ON THE HILL.
SO IT'S LIKE PROBABLY I WOULD SAY THREE FEET.
THE HOUSE IS ELEVATED AND THE SCREEN PORCH GOES DOWN THE LENGTH, GOES DOWN LIKE ANOTHER THREE FEET.
SO BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING THE PORCH OVER THERE BUT LIKE IT'S ALREADY COVERED, IT'S TOTALLY COVERED AND IT WOULD BE AN OPTION BUT WE USE THAT AS A GARAGE AREA.
>> I SEE. SO YOU DON'T USE THAT FOR YOUR OUTDOOR LIVING IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?
>> YES, THERE IT IS, YES. IT'S LIKE A GYM ACTUALLY.
WE PUT LIKE OUR BIKES AND LIKE IT IS OUR GARAGE.
IT IS LIKE THERE'S NOT A LOT OF STORAGE IN THAT HOUSE BELIEVE IT OR NOT SO WE STORE A LOT OF STUFF IN THAT AREA.
>> AND YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
YOU COULD -- YOU'D HAVE TO GET N ANYTHING IN THE REAR OF THE
PROPERTY. >> WE COULD DO A DETACHED PORCH BUT OUR HOUSE SITS A LITTLE LOWER THAN THE NEIGHBOR BEHIND US AND THE PROPERTY IS PRETTY SMALL BACK THERE.
THEIR PROPERTY IS SMALL AND OUR PROPERTY IS SMALL.
SO EVEN IF WE PUT A SIX FOOT FENCE UP AND WE SAT ON THE PORCH BACK THERE THEY WOULD BE -- THEY'RE A LITTLE HIGHER THAN US.
IT'S JUST NOT VERY PRIVATE BACK THERE.
>> IS THAT SHED YOUR SHED, THE ONE IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE YOU
CAN'T SEE ALL THE WAY? >> ON THAT SIDE?
>> NO, THE OTHER SIDE. >> THERE'S NO -- THAT IS A
CAMPER. >> YES BUT I THOUGHT BEHIND THAT
RV THERE IS A SHED OR SOMETHING. >> NO, THAT'S JUST A FENCE.
>> OKAY. >> JUST A SIX FOOT FENCE.
YEAH. >> NIG ELANYTHING ELSE FOR HER?
THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC HERE TONIGHT THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? ANY AFFECTED PARTIES WE WOULD LIKE TO -- ALL RIGHT.
MS. CHAUNCEY WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO SAY BEFORE WE CLOSE THAT PART OUT? OKAY YOU GOOD? OKAY. ALL RIGHT.
ALL RIGHT GUYS LET'S TALK THIS THROUGH.
TELL ME HOW YOU READ IT, WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE.
STEVEN, THIS KIND OF ALWAYS SLOPS OVER TO YOU WITH YOUR ARCHITECTURAL BACKGROUND ON THAT.
WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? >> I DON'T SEE IT AS AN OBTUSE PROPOSED LAND. I DON'T SEE IT UNREASONABLE.
I THINK IT BENEFITS THE HOMEOWNER, IS AT THE END OF THE LOT -- AT THE END OF THE ROADWAY, AND CAN SEE IT'S GOING TO BE COVERED IN TREES. I MEAN THERE ARE A TON OF TREES AT THE TOP OF THE ROAD, THAT THIS WOULDN'T ADVERSELY AFFECT NEIGHBORS. SO I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF
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CONSIDERATION FOR OPPOSITION TO THIS.>> WELL, I ASSUME THAT THE LACK OF NEIGHBORS PRESENT MEANS IT'S NOT GOING TO NEGATIVELY AFFECT SIGHT LINES TOO MUCH.
>> THIS IS THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO COME DOWN AND BE A PART OF IT.
SO YES. AND THE BOARD DOES PUT A LOT OF WEIGHT ON WHAT THE NEIGHBORS WOULD SAY.
>> THE ONLY REASON I ASKED ABOUT THE SOUTH PART OF THE STRUCTURE WAS THAT IS CURRENTLY EXISTING SCREENED COVERED PORCH.
FACING THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE SAME AS WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO PUT UP HERE.
I'M SURE. AND YOU SAID THAT'S ALL CONCRETE THERE SO THERE'S NO TREES THAT ARE GOING TO BE REMOVED, AS A
RESULT OF THAT? >> SO YOU'RE ALREADY BUILDING SOMETHING THAT'S NONCONFORMING ANYWAY, INSTEAD OF A SET BACK, RIGHT, JUST PUTTING A ROOF ON TOP OF IT.
I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM. >> ALL RIGHT, SO I WOULD TELL YOU THAT I THINK IT'S A REASONABLE REQUEST ON AN OLDER HOME. AND I WOULD TELL YOU THAT THAT'S JUST WHY THAT THE CITY COMMISSION HAS SET THESE BOARDS UP. SO I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT EITHER. IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A
MOTION WE'LL PROCEED ON THAT. >> I MOVE TO APPROVE.
>> SO WE'RE GOING TO -- SO -- >> I'LL -- I HAVE IT IN FRONT OF
ME. >> THERE YOU GO, LET HIM DO
THAT. >> SO I MOVE TO APPROVAL BOA CASE NUMBER 2020-12, I MOVE THAT THE BOA MAKE THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW, BOA 2020-12 AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY CAN COMPLIANT. COMPLIANT.
DID I GET THAT RIGHT? >> YOU DID WELL.
I WANT YOU TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE ON 2 AND 3 WHERE CITY STAFF HAS SAID IT IS INCONSISTENT.
GIVE US ONE OR TWO LINES ABOUT HOW YOU FEEL YOU CAN MAKE AN
EXEMPTION FOR THAT. >> I FEEL IT IS REASONABLE.
THERE IS ALREADY NONCONFORMING STRUCTURE THERE AND THIS IS GOING THROUGH EXTENDED MINIMAL MANNER.
>> VERY GOOD SO I GOT A FIRST. >> SECOND.
>> TAYLOR WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE VOTE ON THAT.
>> MEMBER PAPKE, YES, MEMBER HERTSLET, YES, MEMBER GRANT, YES. MEMBER OLIVA, YES, CHAIR MILLER.
YES. HOPEFULLY IT WASN'T AS BAD AS
YOU THOUGHT. >> I WAS STRESSING ALL DAY.
>> NO, IT'S FINAL. IF YOU WILL JUST GIVE US THREE OR FOUR DAYS AND THEN SEE MS. DAPHNE SHE'LL HAVE ALL YOUR PAPERWORK FOR YOU, OKAY? WE HAVEN'T LOST A CITIZEN YET IN ANY OF THESE PROCEEDINGS. SO WE'RE ALL DOING GOOD.
THANK YOU. >> I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
>> SO WHAT I WAS GOING TO TELL YOU CHUCK AND YOU FIGURED THAT
OUT, STEVEN SHOWED YOU -- >> THAT WAS THE GIFT WRAP THAT
SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT. >> THAT WAS MY FAULT, I SHOULD
HAVE ALREADY TOLD YOU THAT. >> I THOUGHT ABOUT MENTIONING
THAT. >> STUFF KIND OF SLIPS THROUGH THE CRACKS. MS. DAPHNE ARE WE READY TO GO ON
[5.2 BOA 2020-0013 - MIRANDA ARCHITECT, AGENT FOR MICHAEL & MELISSA BELL, 101 N. 7TH STREET Request for Variance from LDC section 4.02.03 (E) to reduce rear yard setback. (QuasiJudicial)]
>> SO TONIGHT WE HAVE UP NEXT BOA CASE 2020-13.
THE APPLICANT IS JOSE MIRANDA, AGENT FOR MIKE MELISSA BELL, 101 NORTH 7TH STREET, CURRENTLY ZONED R-2.
VARIANCE FROM LDC SECTION 402.3 E.
THERE IS A HOUSE BEING CURRENTLY CONSTRUCTED.
FOR THE RECORD ALL REQUIRED APPLICATION MATERIALS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED, ALL FEES HAVE BEEN PAID.
ALL REQUIRED NOTICES HAVE BEEN MADE.
SO THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO REDUCE THE REQUIRED 20 FOOT REAR YARD SET BACK, THEY WOULD LIKE TO CONSTRUCT A TEN FOOT DEEP WOOD STORY ADDITION AT THE REAR OF THE HOUSE, ENCROACH TWO FEET INTO THE 20 FOOT SET BACK. THEIR REQUESTED VARIANCE IS FROM 20 FEET TO 18 FEET. AND HERE WE HAVE THE SITE PLAN.
AND FOR THE CONSISTENCY, SPECIFIC CRITERIA FOR GRANTING THE VARIANCE. SO SPECIAL CONDITIONS, YES, SPECIAL CONDITIONS OR CIRCUMSTANCES DO EXIST WHICH ARE
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PARTICULAR TO THE BUILDING INVOLVED WHICH ARE NOT SIMILAR TO THE OTHERS IN THE DISTRICT. A LOT DEPARTM DEPTH OF 80 FEET.LOTS IN THIS AREA ARE 100 TO 200 FEET DEEP.
SPECIAL PRIVILEGE, SPECIAL PRIVILEGE THAT IS OTHER THAN OTHER LAND STRUCTURES IN THE AREA.
MINIMUM REAR YARD SET BACK OF 20 FEET.
LITERALLITERAL INTERPRETATION, Y INVOLVED BY OTHER LAND IN THE AREA, SPECIAL CONDITION REQUIRING NEED FOR A VARIANCE.
AND YES, VARIANCE IS THE MINIMUM VARIANCE NEEDED TO MAKE POSSIBLE THE REASONABLE USE OF THE LAND AND ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A REAR PORCH. AND GENERAL HARMONY, YES, GRANTING THE VARIANCE WOULD BE IN HARMONY WITH THE GENERAL PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OH I'M SORRY, I LEFT OUT MY FINAL ANALYSIS THAT REQUESTED ACTION, STAFF MUST RECOMMEND DENIAL OF BOA 2020-13. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU DAPHNE GOOD JOB.
>> THANK YOU. >> WHAT QUESTIONS DO WE HAVE
>> YES. >> IS BOTH THE HOUSE AND THE GARAGE BEING CONSTRUCTED AT THIS TIME?
>> THE HOUSE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION CURRENTLY.
I'M NOT SURE HOW FAR THEY'VE GOTTEN, BUT THE GRAFNLG IS AS GS
WELL, YES. >> WHAT IS THE THE SIDE SET BACN
IN THIS CASE IT WOULD BE 8.5. IT WOULD DEPEND ON THE LOT
WIDTH. >> WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE SHOW US THE GARAGE BUILT AT THE PROPERTY LINE.
>> AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ALLOWED WITHIN THREE FEET OF THE
>> AS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE YOU ARE ALLOWED TO IT HAVE IT WITHN
THREE FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINE. >> THIS IS ZOOMED IN TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT CLEARLY. I CAN BRING UP THE FULL VERSION IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT JUST FOR CONTEXT.
BUT THIS IS ZOOMED IN JUST FOR THE PRESENTATION.
I'LL SHOW YOU SO CAN YOU TAKE A LOOK.
>> I CAN SEE WHERE YOU WOULD THINK THAT.
>> THE LINES AREN'T THE SAME. >> BECAUSE THE SET BACK LINE WAS
ON THE DRAWING. >> THIS 18 FEET THAT WE NEED IS GOING TO GO RIGHT THROUGH THE BACK OF THAT SCREENED PORCH.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN ALL SEE THIS CLEARLY OR NOT.
IT IS SHOWING A LITTLE BLURRY ON THE SCREEN.
BUT THIS IS THE FULL SITE PLAN. AND YOU CAN SEE HERE WHERE --
>> YES. >> THE DETACHED GARAGE IS MEETING THAT THREE-FOOT REQUIREMENT.
FOR THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. >> IS THAT BUILT ALREADY, THE
>> SO THE TWO FEET REDUCTION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS GOING RIGHT THROUGH THE BACK OF THAT SCREENED PORCH, IS THAT RIGHT,
YOU CAN SEE HERE IT WOULD BE REDUCED BY TWO FEET DOWN TO 18
FEET. >> AND THAT'S TO PROVIDE THEM A TEN FOOT SCREENED ENCLOSURE VERSUS AN EIGHT FOOT WIDE.
WHICH IS BASICALLY A FUNCTIONAL SPACE.
BY THE TIME YOU PUT TABLES AND CHAIRS YOU REALLY NEED SOME SPACE AROUND TO BE ABLE TO WALK AROUND.
EIGHT FEET IS KIND OF TIGHT. >> HAS THAT HOUSE ALREADY HAD A
BUILDING PERMIT ISSUED ON IT? >> YES, IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
>> WAS THAT ON THE ORIGINAL SET OF DRAWINGS THAT THEY WERE
ISSUED A PERMIT FOR? >> I BELIEVE THEY WERE AND IT WAS DENIED. DIF I'M SPEAKING CORRECTLY.
>> EIGHT FOOT PORCH ON THE BACK INITIALLY.
>> JUST A SECOND, JOSE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CITY
STAFF BEFORE WE HEAR FROM JOSE? >> IF WE HAVE A VARIANCE PENDING
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LIKE THIS, AND YOU HAVE A BUILDING PERMIT, CAN YOU GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITH BUILDING WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IN AVARIANCE? >> TO MY KNOWLEDGE YOU CANNOT.
>> WELL, YOU CAN BUILD UP UNTIL THE POINT WHERE THIS VARIANCE, THIS PARTICULAR ASPECT OF THE CONSTRUCTION IS INSPECTED.
THEN IT CANNOT GET APPROVED UNTIL THIS IS APPROVED.
SO I CAN -- I MEAN THE HOUSE CAN STILL GO UNDER CONSTRUCTION UNTIL THEY GO FOR THE SCREENED PORCH.
THEY HAVE TO HAVE THIS APPROVED. THIS ISN'T HOLDING UP LIFE
SAFETY FOR A PERMIT. >> I'VE GOT ANOTHER QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT HERE. WHEN THIS WAS SUBDIVIDED, I THINK THE OTHER SIDE TO THE LEFT IS HISTORIC DISTRICT, IS THAT
>> SO THIS IS PROBABLY THE WRONG PLACE BUT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY IT WAS 85 FEET INSTEAD OF 100 FEET IF EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE AREA WAS 100 FEET OR 200 FEET.
>> FOR THE MINOR SUBDIVISION I THINK THAT'S JUST HOW IT ENDED UP BEING SPLIT. AND I CAN PROVIDE THAT
APPLICATION FOR YOU. >> I THINK THEY BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY FROM THE HOUSE WEST OF THEM, RIGHT?
>> RIGHT. >> SO WHOEVER BOUGHT IT DECIDED
TO GIVE THEM SO MUCH SPACE. >> RIGHT.
>> I'LL BE ASKING THE APPLICANT THOSE QUESTIONS.
ALL RIGHT, YES, SIR. >> JOSE MIRANDA, MIRANDA ARCHITECTS, MANY THE ORIGINAL DRAWINGS SHOWED AN EIGHT FOOT DEEP PORCH ALL COMPLYING WITH THE SET BACK.
THE HOUSE IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.
THE MAIN HOUSE IS AND THE GARAGE IS ALL COMPLIANT WITH THE SETBACKS AS APPROVED IN THE BUILDING PERMIT DRAWINGS.
WE'RE HOLDING OFF ON THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT REAR PIECE UNTIL WHAT HAPPENS TODAY, AS TO WHETHER WE GET THAT EXTRA TWO FEET. AND IT'S ALL ABOUT REALLY TRYING TO GET IT MORE USABLE. THE REASON IT'S 85 FEET IS, THIS PARCEL WAS PURCHASED FROM CAVANAUGH, YOU SEE THE FOOTPRINT OF THIS BUILDING HERE AND HE WANTED AT LEAST 25 FEET FROM THE BACK OF HIS HOME TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
THAT LEFT 85.77 FEET AS THE BOUNDS OF WHAT HE WAS ABLE TO SELL OFF. IT'S PRETTY UNIQUE IN TERMS OF IT'S WIDE, 100 FEET WIDE AND ONLY 85 FEET DEEP.
THAT'S WHY WE'RE GETTING PINCHED IN.
I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
>> THANK YOU. SO I ASSUME THAT THE REQUEST PARTY THAT'S BUILDING THIS KNEW THAT.
>> YES, MIKE AND MELISSA BELL OWN THE PROPERTY.
THEY PUNCHED IT FROM CLINCH CAF CAVANAUGH, THEY ASKED HIM AND HIS BROTHER IF THEY HAD AN OBJECTION, THEY DID NOT, DIDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT. ALL OF THAT WAS DISCUSSED EARLY ON AS WE WERE DESIGNING THE HOUSE.
WE ACTUALLY SUBMITTED THE DRAWINGS TO CLINCH CAVANAUGH TO MAKE SURE HE WAS ON BOARD WHAT WE WERE BUILDING ON THAT LOT
THAT HE SOLD TO THE BELLS. >> SO WHEN YOU WERE L BUILDING PERMIT APPLICATION IT'S GOT AN EIGHT-FOOT?
>> YES. >> OKAY AND THAT WAS APPROVED?
>> YES. NEITHER MUCH THESE PROPERTIES OF THESE PROPERTIES AREHISTORIC. THE CAVANAUGH PROPERTY IS IN THE
HISTORIC DISTRICT. >> WHAT WAS THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND PUTTING THE INITIAL PERMIT IN AT EIGHT FEET? WAS THERE SUBSEQUENT DISCUSSIONS THAT LIKE YOU LAID OUT TAINLS
AND CHAIRS AND REALIZED THAT -- >> YES, I THINK WHEN THEY FINALLY SAW THE SLAB POURED AND THEY SAW WHAT WAS GOING TO BE STAKED OUT AS THE REAR PORCH THEY REALIZED IT WAS PRETTY SHALLOW AND THEY SAID HEY CAN WE GET AN EXTRA COUPLE FEET? I SAID IT REQUIRES A VARIANCE TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
YEAH, THERE WAS DISCUSSION THAT WAS HAD DURING THE CONSTRUCTION
PROCESS. >> SO YOU'RE TELLING US THAT THERE'S AN EIGHT FOOT SLAB POURED BACK THERE NOW?
>> THERE IS NOTHING POURED NOW ON THE SCREENED PORCH SECTION.
>> I JUST HAPPENED TO GO THERE THIS AFTERNOON AND IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A TEN FOOT DEEP FOUNDATION POURED FOR THAT
PORCH. >> I KNOW THEY FRAMED THE ROOF FOR THAT PIECE BUT THEY HAVEN'T -- THERE AREN'T ANY
SUPPORT COLUMNS OR ANYTHING -- >> NO BUT THE SLAB IS THERE IS
WHAT I'M TELLING YOU. >> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT.
I HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE SITE. >> IT'S EIGHT FEET.
>> IT'S EIGHT FEET. >> WELL, I CAN'T PICTURE YOU PUTTING AN EIGHT FOOT SLAB AND ADDING ANOTHER TWO FEET TO THAT LATER ON. THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
>> WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE ON ADDITIONS, IT'S PRETTY EASY TO
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DO. >> WELL I'M AN ENGINEER BUT I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THAT. SORRY.
>> SO THE ROOF IS ON IT? >> THEY FRAMED A PORTION OF THE
>> BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST TEMPORARILY SUPPORTED.
THERE'S NO POSTS COMING DOWN AND IT'S GOING TO DETERMINE THE SHAPE WILL BE DETERMINED BASED ON WHAT HAPPENS TODAY.
WE'VE GOT EXTRA TWO FEET AND GOT TEN FOOT OF DEPTH.
>> OKAY I GOTCHA. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
ANY OTHER -- >> IF THE VARIANCE IS GRANTED, THAT EXTRA TWO FEET, ARE ANY TREES GOING TO BE REMOVED?
>> NO. WE'VE ALREADY KEPT ALL THE MAIN TREES ON THIS SIDE AND THE ONLY ONE IN THE BACKYARD THAT WAS AFFECTED WAS HERE. AND THAT WASN'T AFFECTED BY THE NEW CONSTRUCTION. THE OTHER ONES WERE ALREADY TOO CLOSE TO THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT AND WERE ALREADY REMOVED.
THERE WAS NO KNELT LOSS OF TREES WITH THIS TWO FOOT EXTENSION.
>> HOW MANY SQUARE FEET BETWEEN THE GARAGE AND THE HOME WOULD
YOU SAY? >> YOU MEAN WHAT'S THE DISTANCE?
>> NO, NO, I'M LOOKING FOR TOTAL COVERAGE ON THE PROPERTY.
>> OH, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE? THAT I DON'T HAVE WITH ME.
I DO NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION WITH ME.
BUT IT'S BASICALLY A TWO-STORY HOME.
AT LEAST THE MAIN CENTER PIECE RIGHT HERE IS TWO-STORY.
THIS IS A ONE-STORY WING WHICH IS THE MASTER SUITE AND THEN THE GARAGE IS ONE STORY IN THE BACK PORTION AND CONNECTED BY THAT SCREEN PORCH BREEZEWAY TO THE GARAGE ITSELF.
>> ANYTHING ELSE? ANYTHING ELSE?
>> OKAY. >> IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? ANYBODY, AFFECTED PARTIES OR ANYTHING? YES, SIR.
PLEASE DO. >> I'D BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
STAWX AND STAWX ANSTATE YOUR NAD SIR.
>> MIKE BELL, FERNANDINA BEACH. MY WIFE AND I HIRED CAN JOSE, AFTER WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY FROM THE NEIGHBOR TO THE REAR.
THE HOME WENT UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND MY WIFE AND I WENT OVER AND SAW THE EIGHT FOOT DEPTH AND AS THE VICE CHAIR POINTED OUT, OUR EXISTING PORCH FURNITURE WOULD NOT FIT IN AN EIGHT-FOOT DEEP PORCH. SO I CONTACTED THE ONLY NEIGHBOR THAT WILL ACTUALLY SEE THE TOP OF THIS PORCH IS THE GENTLEMAN WHO WILL BE MY NEW NEIGHBOR BEHIND ME CLINCH CAVANAUGH.
HE HAD NO OBJECTION. I ALSO CALLED MY NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH, BILL CAVANAUGH AND ASKED IF HE --
>> LET ME STOP YOU RIGHT THERE SIR.
WE CAN'T -- ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO SPEAK, TO THAT, HAS TO BE
ALL RIGHT, I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT IT IS A FUNCTIONAL USE ISSUE. AND I CAN ATTEST TO THE FACT THAT I SPOKE TO THE TWO PEOPLE THAT NEIGHBOR THE PROPERTY.
>> I ASK YOU NOT TO SAY THAT SIR, PLEASE.
WAS THERE ANYBODY ELSE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THAT?
JOSE YOU GOT ANY FINAL WORDS? >> NOT UNLESS THERE ARE
QUESTIONS. >> ALL RIGHT, SO WE'LL CLOSE THAT OUT. HOW DO YOU READ IT?
WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? >> I'M THINKING THAT THE TEN-FOOT PORCH IS ALREADY THERE, THE FOUNDATION FOR IT.
IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANTED TO DO IT CHEAPER, YOU'D POUR THE TEN FEET AND THEN IF WE DENIED IT, YOU WOULD CUT OFF TWO FEET. YOU DON'T TRY TO ADD TWO FEET ON TO A EIGHT FOOT PORCH. SOMEONE IS MI MISLEADING US HERI
THINK. >> THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING, WAS IT PERMITTED AT EIGHT FEET, AND AFTER THEY LOOKED AT THE SPACE
AND SORT OF THOUGHT IT OUT. >> IT IS WOUL WOULDN'T HAVE GOTT A BUILDING PERMIT, THEY CONTINUE HAVE STARTED CONSTRUCTION TO GET
HERE. >> THE CONTRACTOR CAN DO
WHATEVER HE WANTS OUT THERE. >> NO, NO.
>> LET'S -- >> LET'S JUST STOP THERE.
RIGHT THERE. JEFF, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS?
>> A COUPLE. I WAS ASKING THESE QUESTIONS.
IT IS A SMALLER THAN NORMAL, I ASSUME THAT THE PROSPECTIVE OWNER KNEW THAT WHEN THEY DESIGNED THE HOUSE, THE GARAGE,
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THE PAVER PATIO, ALL THAT. INCLUDING THE PORCH.AND AT THIS POINT I WOULD DISAGREE, THAT EIGHT FEET IS A LITTLE BIT NARROW, ON A SCREENED PORCH.
BUT THAT WAS -- IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS WITHIN THE CONTROL OF THE OWNER AND THE ARCHITECT TO RECOGNIZE THAT.
UP FRONT. I MEAN IF WE ALL KNOW THAT EIGHT FEET IS A LITTLE NARROW ON THE DO TOO.
>> WELL, CAN I COUNTER THAT WITH, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LIKE TO LOOK AT HOUSE PLANS.
AND THEY GET THESE GRAND IDEAS AND THEY COME TO US AS ARCHITECTS AND THEY THINK THAT THEY KNOW WHAT THEY WANT.
THEY THEY THINK THEY CAN SEE THS IN PLANS.
AS ARCHITECTS WE KNOW HOW TO VICIALGHTZ SPACE.
I'VE DONE IT A THOUSAND TIMES. MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE THAT ABILITY. SO PERHAPS THEY THOUGHT EIGHT FEET WAS ENOUGH. JOSE THOUGHT EIGHT FEET WAS ENOUGH. IT WAS PERMITTED AS EIGHT FEET, THEY GET IN THE FIELD AND THEY RECOGNIZE, HMM THIS IS TIGHT AND EIGHT FEET IS TIGHT. I MEAN YOUR KITCHEN WOULDN'T BE EIGHT FEET. SO PERHAPS IT IS AN EVOLUTION OF
THAT EFFORT. >> THAT'S CERTAINLY INCREMENTAL.
CREDIBLE.I'VE HAD A LOT OF SPACN MANHATTAN.
ARE IT'S HARD TO SEE HOW LARGE A SPACE IS NOR A DESK OR A CHAIR.
HARD THING TO PICTURE. ONCE IT'S STAKED OUT I CAN
IMAGINE IT'S EASIER TO SEE. >> AND IT WOULDN'T BE THE FIRST TIME THAT IN A CONSTRUCTION PEOPLE CHANGE THEIR MIND.
>> WHAT? >> MY POINT COMPLETELY.
>> SO MY VIEW ON THAT AND I'M NOT TAKING A SIDE ON THIS, I'M JUST SAYING THAT FOR REFLECTION WE'VE GOT A BRAND-NEW HOUSE.
WE HAD A BLANK CANVAS AND IT'S NOT FINISHED AND WE'RE IN HERE FOR VARIANCE. AND THAT, WHERE WE GO NOT ONLY ON THIS PROJECT BUT AS WE CONTINUE TO DEVELOP AND AS WE HAVE CONTINUED TO DEVELOP THROUGH THE LAST FIVE YEARS, THERE IS SO MUCH PRESSURE ON THE ISLAND.
IT JUST CON CONCERNS ME GREATLYE TREND OF HOW THIS IS WORKING
OUT. >> ARE I'LL -- AGAIN I'LL TRY TO SUPPORT THIS IN A WAY THAT IS REASONABLE BASED ON THE FACTS WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US. THEY'RE MEETING THE PERMIT FOR THE CITY. THEIR MEETING THE ZONING SETBACKS ON THREE SIDES OF THE PROPERTY.
THE PROPERTY THAT IS NOT MEETING IT IS OUT OF COMPLIANCE BY A REQUEST OF TWO FEET. THIS FAR.
YOUR ARM'S LENGTH. AND IT'S IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY. WE CAN DON'T HAVE THE NEIGHBORSO SPEAK TO IT. WE UNDERSTAND FROM THE OWNER THAT THEY'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM AND HAD SOME APPROVAL.
IF THERE WAS DISAPPROVAL I WOULD EXPECT THAT THE OWNERS WOULD HAVE SHOWN UP. AGAIN THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT HEIGHT DIFFERENCE IN THE PROPERTY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU RECOGNIZE THE TOPOS.
IT KEEPS GOING UP. YOU KNOW THEY'RE NOT WRNG IN SAYING YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK STRAIGHT OVER ON THIS SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN EYESORE PER SE AND TWO FEET.
I DON'T SEE IT AS AN ISSUE PERSONALLY.
>> ALL RIGHT SO I'M GOING TO STOSTIPULATE TO YOUR EXPERTISE N THIS. YOU HAVE THE MOST EXPERIENCE OF THE PEOPLE ON THE BOARD AND I DIDN'T TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE ELEVATIONS. MY ORIGINAL CONCERNS DO REMAIN ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GOING IN THE FUTURE WITH ALL OF THIS.
>> TO KIND OF MAKE SURE OF THAT, MAINLY BECAUSE IT WASN'T EXISTING. IT WAS DRAWN UP.
AND I APPRECIATE YOU KNOW, YOUR POINTS IN THERE, AND THEY'RE GOOD ONES, I WOULD EXPECT THE ARCHITECT WHOEVER DEVELOPED THE PLANS, MIGHT HAVE SAID AT THE TIME, THAT EIGHT FEET IS AWFULLY NARROW. BUT WITHOUT GETTING A VARIANCE.
SO WHETHER THE PLAN WAS ALWAYS TO GET ONE, OR --
>> YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THAT.
>> OR STEAK STAKE IT OUT AND REE THAT IT IS SPALLER THAN OPTIMAL.
SMALLER THAN OPTIMAL.IF YOU AREN PLAN IT IN CONFORMANCE, DON'T PLAN FOR A VARIANCE IS MY FEELING.
>> I DON'T THINK ANYONE WANTS TO SPEND AN EXTRA $1,000 IF THEY
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DON'T HAVE TO. I KNOW $1,000 ISN'T EVEN A PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL COST BUT EVERY NICKEL COUNTS FOR ALL OFCHUCK YOU GOT SOMETHING? >> NO.
PERMITTING. >> SOMEBODY WANT TO MAKE A
MOTION? >> EVERYONE STAY QUIET THIS TIME? USUALLY THERE IS A FIRST TOO SPEAK. ALL RIGHT I MOVE TO APPROVE BOA CASE 2020-13 AND I MOVE THAT THE BOA MAKES THE FOLLOWING FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW, THAT 2020-13 ITEM AS PRESENTED IS SUBSTANTIALLY IN COMPLIANCE, THE REASON IS AGAIN THE PROPERTY HAS GONE THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT, IT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THREE SETBACKS, AGAIN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A DISTANCE OF TWO FEET ON THE REAR OF THE PROPERTY WITH A HEIGHT CHANGE.
I DON'T SEE A REASON THAT THIS IS DETRIMENTAL TO THE ADJACENT
PROPERTY OWNERS. >> AND OSECOND? AROUAND A SECOND? SO MS. BACH WALK US THROUGH THAT, THAT MOTION IS GOING TO BE DEAD.
>> FAILS. >> FAILS BECAUSE IT DIDN'T GET A SECOND. WHO WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION? WHO WANTS MORE DISCUSSION?
>> MINE AMAYBE A LITTLE MORE. >> OKAY.
>> WE CAN BAT THIS BACK AROUND. >> YES, MA'AM.
>> WOULD YOU MIND IF I -- >> I DO NOT.
DID YOU GET SWORN IN? >> NO, I DIDN'T.
>> OKAY, MS. TAYLOR WOULD YOU SOFTWARE HER IN PLEASE?
>> PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
>> MELISSA BELL, 96071 PARK PLACE FERNANDINA BEACH FLORIDA.
MIKE AND I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR 13 YEARS.
THE ONLY WAY WE WOULD MOVE WE WOULD MOVE DOWNTOWN.
AS RESIDENTS HERE IT IS REALLY HARD TO FIND A PLACE TO LIVE DOWNTOWN THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT LOW.
I DIDN'T WANT TO LIVE ANYWHERE, I WANTED TO LIVE HIGH.
ALL THESE THOUGHTS. SO WE FOUND THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. IT IS VERY UNUSUALLY SHAPED.
YOU GO TO THE FARMERS MARKET, YOU HAVE TO LOOK UP AND THERE'S THE LOT. SO JOSE, WE MET WITH JOSE AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO DESIGN A HOUSE TO FIT ON THAT SHAPED LOT.
THAT FRANKLY WOULD BE WORTH THE MONEY, BECAUSE THE LOT COST SO MUCH MONEY. I WON'T SHARE PUBLICLY WHAT I SPENT FOR IT HERE. WE SPENT FOR IT, TO BUILD A HOUSE THAT WOULD MEET OUR NEEDS, AND BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, NICE ENOUGH OR WHATEVER, TO HAVE SPENT THAT MUCH MONEY ON THE PROPERTY. SO JOSE HAD A BIG JOB AND HE WORKED REALLY HARD ON IT. SO WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND WE MADE SURE THAT IT MET ALL OF THE QUALIFICATIONS TO BE PERMITTED.
AND INCLUDED THE EIGHT FOOT PORCH.
WELL, WHEN THEY WENT AND POURED THE SLAB, MIKE AND I WENT TO GO LOOK AT IT AND I WENT OUT TO WHERE THE PORCH WOULD BE, AND I SAID I CAN'T EVEN FIT A COMFORTABLE CHAIR OUT HERE TO READ A BOOK, YOU KNOW, CONFIDENTABLY.
COMFORTABLY. YOU KNOW WHAT AN EIGHT FOOT PORCH LOOKS LIKE, WELL I DON'T, I'M A SCHOOL TEACHER AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, OKAY? SO I THOUGHT, I DON'T KNOW.
SO I LOOKED I THOUGHT THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN PUT EVEN SMALL TABLE AND SOME CHAIRS OR ANYTHING, ESPECIALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE THING UP HERE, THERE IS A DOOR THAT GOES INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE PORCH. SO THIS IS WHERE THE DOOR IS.
ABOUT TO GO OUTSIDE. HINDSIGHT IS ALWAYS 2020.
THAT IS IN THE MIDDLE, SPLITS THE THING IN HALF ANYWAY.
NOW I'VE GOT THIS LITTLE PORCH FOUR FEET ON EITHER SIDE, HOW ARE WE GOING TO USE THAT, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE A NICE BACKYARD?
>> I'M SORRY, ARE WHERE IS THAT DOOR?
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>> THE DOOR IS ABOUT RIGHT HERE, RIGHT JOSE?
SO WHEN YOU GO OUT YOU'RE ALREADY SORT OF SPLITTING IT IN HALF. AND I RECOGNIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, HINDSIGHT OF 2020, MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW OF ANYONE WHO BUILDS A HOUSE BECAUSE THEY MAX OUT SOMETHING AND PUTS THE FURNITURE. BUT ANYWAY, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T WANT TO SIT ON IF I CAN HELP IT ON METAL FOLDING CHAIRS IN MY BACK PORCH. I WOULD LIKE US TO HAVE A NICE BACKYARD THAT WOULD ADD TO THE NAKED THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE LIVING IN. AND IT IS.
IT'S JUST A HARD SPACE TO BUILD ON.
AND YES, WE KNEW IT WAS A HARD SPACE TO BUILD ON WHEN WE BOUGHT IT BUT THERE ARE ALSO VERY FEW PLACES TO BUILD DOWNTOWN.
AND IN ADDITION, I THINK THE BUILDING OF OUR HOUSE ASK GOING TO ADD TO THE LOOK OF THAT LITTLE CORNER BECAUSE IT WAS JUST SORT OF AN OVERGROWN LOT PREVIOUSLY.
SO WE DID NOT BUILD TEN NEAT AND WANT TO HACK IT OFF IF WE DIDN'T GET APPROVED. WE HAD NO INTENTION OF GIVING A VARIANCE BECAUSE AGAIN WE DON'T HAVE MONEY TO THROW AROUND.
WE JUST BUILT IT AND WENT OUT AND THOUGHT, GOSH, I THOUGHT REALLY THAT THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE MY DREAM PORCH TO SIT OUT READ A BOOK LOOK AT SOME BUTTERFLIES IN MY BUTTERFLY GARDEN, OKAY? THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THE VARIANCE. IT HAS NOT BEEN POURED TO TEN FEET. WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE TO HAVE IF CONSTRUCTION PEOPLE COME BACK IF IT'S APPROVED AND POUR THE OTHER TWO FEET. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND I
APPRECIATE THE CONSIDERATION. >> YES, MA'AM, ABSOLUTELY.
>> I KNEEL FOR YOU. THIS IS NOT AN EASY POSITION TO BE ON. I'VE BEEN IN THAT POSITION FAST WELL. TO CONCUR WITH STEVEN'S COMMENTS, WHEN WE SIT DOWN AND BUILD A MEET THE SETBACKS, SO WE DESIGN TO MEET THE SETBACKS. IT WAS NEVER INTENDED TO BE A TEN FOOT DEEP PORCH UNLESS ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE GOING TO TAKE TWO FEET OUT OF THE LIVING SPACE OF THE HOUSE WHICH WASN'T FEASIBLE. THE PROBLEM WITH THE LOT IS IT'S ONLY 85 FEET DEEP, THE REST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS 100 FEET DEEP. THAT IS AN EXTRA BUILDING SPACE WE DON'T HAVE ON THIS ONE. IT IS ALWAYS UNDERSTANDABLE, WHEN WE HAVE TO POUR A SLAB I GET A CALL OH MY GOD THE HOUSE IS TOO SMALL AND THEN THE WALLS GO UP AND IT'S OH MY GOD THE ROOMS ARE PERFECT AND THEN THE PORCH GETS POURED, OH MY GOD IT IS TOO SMALL. THERE IS THE HARD PART OF VISUALIZING, IN THE PROFESSIONAL PART WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE
DESIGNING, WE DESIGN. >> A GRAPHIC YE MEDIUM.
MELISSA AND MIKE SAW THE EIGHT FOOT DEEP AND THEY SAID OH MY GOD CAN WE GO TO TEN FEET? IT REQUIRES A VARIANCE.
THAT IS WHY WE ARE HERE TONIGHT. I KNOW IT IS TOUGH BUT WE HAVE A UNIQUE SITUATION ON THIS ONE PRIMARILY BECAUSE OF THE LOT DEPTH, THERE ARE NO OTHER 85 FOOT LOTS IN THE AREA.
WE'RE GETTING CUT BACK BECAUSE OF DEPTH.
THERE WAS NO OTHER SOLUTION THAT WOULD FIT WITHIN THE SETBACKS OTHER THAN ADDING THOSE TWO FEET IN THE BACK.
WE ARE REALLY BESEECHING YOU TO KIND OF HELP US SOLVE THE PROBLEM WITH THE DEPTH OF THAT REAR POMP.
>> PORCH. >> IS THIS PORCH 12 FEET LONG?
>> IT GOES HERE THROUGH THE PORCH COLUMN TO HERE.
HALF OF IT IS SCREENED HALF OF IT IS JUST OPENED.
>> THE SCREENED IN PORTION. >> THE SCREENED IN, 12 TO 12 AND A HALF. THERE IS BASICALLY A PAIR OF DOUBLE DOORS INTO WHAT IS THE GREAT ROOM HERE.
THERE IS A SINGLE DOOR THAT GETS YOU ACCESS TO THE KITCHEN FROM
THE GARAGE. >> IF THERE IS A TABLE ON THIS SCREENED IN PORCH THEN THE DOORWAY TO THE HOUSE THE --
>> IT'S ALL PINCHED IN. IT IS NARROW, BASICALLY RIGHT NOW IT IS BASICALLY EIGHT FEET BY ABOUT 12 OR 14.
>> THE HALF OF THE HOUSE WHICH I SHOULD HAVE SAID, CAN THE PROBLEM IS WALKING OUTER ONTO THE PORCH.
>> YOU BROUGHT UP A VERY VALID POINT THAT I WANT TO KIND OF EMPHASIZE. THE PROPERTY ADJACENT IS 100 FEET DEEP WHICH AFFORDS THEM THE GREATER SPACE THAT IS NOT AFFORDED ON THIS PROPERTY AT 88 FEET.
SO EVERYBODY NEXT TO THEM AND AGAIN THIS IS A LATCH-ON A GREEN BELT OF TREES. NOT REALLY A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING DO SEE THIS THING, IT'S GOING TO BE SCREENED.
AND IT'S GOT HEIGHT CHANGE ON THE PROPERTY THAT IS TO THE NORTH, TO THE TOP OF THE PAGE, THEY HAVE 100 FOOT DEPTH SO THEY DON'T HAVE THAT LIMITATION OF SET BACK.
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>> AND JUST, THE LOT TO THE NORTH IS THE FULL WIDTH, 200 FROM 6TH TO 7TH. THIS IS 115 NOW THAT THEY'VE GIVEN UP 85. SO YES IF YOU DID A 100 FOOT DEEP LOT AND YOU TOOK 25 FEET FROM THE FRONT SET BACK 20 FROM THE REAR WHAT ARE YOU LEFT WITH? 55 FEET OF DEPTH.
WHAT DEPTH DO WE HAVE HERE? 40.
WE'RE SHORT 15 FEET AND WE'RE ASKING FOR TWO.
SO JUST TO PUT IT INTO PERSPECTIVE.
AND CAN YOU ALSO, DAPHNE, PULL UP, WE SUBMITTED AN ELEVATION OF WHAT THE PORCH WOULD LOOK LIKE, TEN FOOT DEEP.
BECAUSE IN ORDER TO MITIGATE ITS VISUAL IMPACT WE ALSO LOWERED THE SLOPE. THIS IS THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, YOU SEE RIGHT HERE, EIGHT FOOT DEEP PORCH.
AND THEN WE SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION, HERE IT IS NOW.
YOU SEE THAT WE ADDED TWO FEET HERE AND WE'VE LOWERED THAT SLOPE. THIS IS THE ONLY PIECE WE'RE ENCROACHING ON, THIS PIECE. THIS IS LOWER THAN THE GARAGE WHICH IS THREE AND A HALF FEET FROM THE SET BACK.
SO IN PERSPECTIVE, VISUAL AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO NOTICE THAT EXTRA DEPTH. IT REALLY IS JUST ALL ABOUT TRYING TO MAKE THAT SPACE MORE FUNCTIONAL.
THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. THANK YOU.
>> HOLD ON ONE SECOND. WAS THERE SOMETHING ELSE? I THINK IT WAS CHUCK THAT BROUGHT IT UP.
SO THE PORCH ACTUALLY EXTENDS HALF OF THE LENGTH OF THE HOUSE.
>> YES. >> OKAY SO THAT -- AND THEN THE PAVER PATIO AND FIREPLACE AND ALL THAT --
>> ALL UNCOVERED, THAT'S CORRECT, DOESN'T HAVE ANY ROOF OVER IT. THAT IS WITHIN THE REAR SET BACK
AREA. >> THE REAR PORCH THAT IS NOT SCREENED HAS A ROOF ON IT. WILL HAVE A ROOF OPEN IT.
SO ACTUALLY YOU HAVE WHAT WOULD YOU SAY, THAT'S 25 BY 8?
>> YEAH, IF YOU COULD -- DARCH, HERE IS DAPHNEIF YOU COULD SCRO, THIS IS THE AREA INTO THE KITCHEN.
YOU CAN SEE WE'RE TRYING TO GET MORE DEPTH HERE.
>> YOU SAY THOSE ARE SLIDERS OR WINDOWS OR --
>> THESE ARE SWING DOORS. SO THEY ARE A FOUR UNIT WITH THE MIDDLE ONES BEING THE SWING, OPERABLE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE NEED THAT EXTRA DEPTH.
LIKE SHE SAID, IT'S TOO DIFFICULT TO GET A TABLE OUT THERE. YOU MIGHT GET A COUPLE OF CHAIRS
AND THAT'S IT. >> AND YOU PUT PAVERS DOWN IN THE PART THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE A ROOF ON IT YET?
>> NO, NONE OF THE SITE WORK HAS BEEN DONE YET.
BASICALLY THEY HAVE THE HOUSE FRAMED UP AND SHEATHED AND WAITING FOR THIS VARIANCE TO FINISH UP THE BACK PORCH AREA
BEFORE THEY PUT SIDING ON. >> THE 18 FOOT WOULD APPLY TO THE PAVER PART OF YOUR PLACE TOO?
>> ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF IT, YOU'RE LOD TO PUT PAVERS WITHIN THE SET BACK AREA. THERE WAS ALWAYS AN INTENT TO HAVE A PAVER AND OUTSIDE FIREPLACE BUT THAT'S NOT LIMITED BY THE SET BACK. JUST THE VERTICAL, ANYTHING WITH
A ROOF ON IT. >> AND THEN BEFORE YOU SIT DOWN.
ARE IT LOOKS LIKE THE GARAGE IS SITTING RIGHT ON THE SETBACKS.
THERE'S NO EXTRA SPACE WAS LEFT THERE.
>> WE ACTUALLY, THE SET BACK FOR ACCESSORY BUILDINGS IS THREE FEET. WE PUT IT THREE AND A HALF FEET BECAUSE THAT LETS US PUT WINDOWS.
ONCE YOU ARE WITHIN THREE FEET IT HAS TO BE A FIRE WALL YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY WINDOWS. WE MOVED IT BACK, THREE FOOT 8
HERE. >> SO WE'RE AT THE MINIMUMS
THERE. >> WE'RE AT -- THREE FEET IS THE MINIMUM. WE'RE EIGHT INCHES --
>> FOR A FIRE WALL. >> YOU CAN GO TO THREE FEET AND BUILD RIGHT TOO IT. BUT WE COULDN'T HAVE ANY WINDOWS ON IT BECAUSE IT WOULD BE A FIRE WALL.
>> RIGHT. SO THEN THAT WOULD BE THE MINIMUM THEN IF YOU WANT WINDOWS IN THERE.
>> THAT'S CORRECT. ANYWHERE GANYWHERE GREATER THANE
FEET. >> DO WE HAVE ANY EXTRA SPACE ON THE FRONT OR IS IT SITTING RIGHT ON THE SIT BACK TOO?
>> THE BUILDING YOU CAN SEE WE'RE RIGHT AT THE SET BACK.
WE'VE GOT THIS RECESSED FRONT PORCH AND OVER HERE OBVIOUSLY IS THE BACK SET BACK WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS THAT TWO
FEET RIGHT HERE. >> HOW ABOUT THE OTHER SIDE DO
WE HAVE ANY EXTRA SPACE HERE? >> ON THE SIDE WE ARE HUGGING
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THE CORNER SET BACK, IT IS NOT THE STANDARD 10% OF LOT WIDTH.TON NORTH SIDE WE'VE GOT PLENTY OF ROOM.
THE GARAGE IS OVER THERE THREE AND A HALF FEET OFF BUT THE MAIN HOUSE IS CONSIDERABLY FURTHER BACK.
IT'S PROBABLY FLEX TO THIS NEXT TO THISPROBABLY 30 FEET.
>> OKAY, ANYTHING ELSE? ALL RIGHT, WHO'S GOT ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS ON THIS? LET'S TALK THIS OUT.
>> I THINK THAT WAS GOOD, APPRECIATE BOTH OF THE INSIGHTS THAT CAME THROUGH ON THAT. I'M STILL STUCK ON IF YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DESIGN, YOU DESIGN WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT.
AND I UNDERSTAND ALL, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WHEN YOU ARE IN THE AIR VERSUS ONE OF MY HOUSES HAD A 20 FOOT BY EIGHT FOOT PORCH COVERED AND IT'S NOT EASY TO GEE NOT THE LIFESTYLE, AND IT'S MAYBE NOT AS EASY IF YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF DOORS THAT OPEN INTO IT. I UNDERSTAND ALL THAT.
LIKE I SAID, I'M JUST A LITTLE BIT STUCK ON THE -- IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IN MY MIND IF IT'S EXISTING VERSUS WITH SPECIAL CIRCUMSTANCES VERSUS YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DESIGN FOR THE LOT THAT YOU HAVE BOUGHT.
>> WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? >> I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS ABOUT THE SIZE THAT'S OUT THERE NOW.
IT JUST SEEMS STRANGE NO ME THAT YOU WOULD DO THAT FROM WHAT I SAW IT LOOKED LIKE THE WHOLE TEN FEET WAS THERE.
BUT YOU KNOW, I TAKE YOUR WORD FOR THAT.
AND I THINK THIS ISN'T A BIG CHANGE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I WOULD GO WITH IT. >> I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROCESS, TOO. AND -- BUT I GUESS WE HAVE TO WEIGH THAT AGAINST THE -- I DON'T WANT TO SIT ON AN EIGHT FOOT PORCH WITH A TABLE AND COUPLE OF CHAIRS.
I GET THAT. SO I GUESS THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROCESS HAVE TO BE WEIGHED AGAINST THE ONGOING HAPPINESS OF THE HOMEOWNERS. CAN.
>> THAT WAS CERTAINLY SENSITIVE TO YOUR FEELINGS.
>> I AGREE WITH WHAT THAT LOGIC IS.
BUT WITHIN REASON, IS THAT -- IS THIS ADVERSELY AFFECTING A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF CITY FOLK THAT THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A DETRIMENT? I WOULD ARGUE NO.
>> I WOULD SAY IT WAS AFFECTING NO ONE, NOT EVEN A SIGNIFICANT
NUMBER. >> I CAN STIPULATE TO THAT.
MY THOUGHT REMAINS THAT AS THE PRESSURE CONTINUES ON THE CITY, THESE LOTS WERE PASSED UP BECAUSE THEY WERE MISSING THAT EXTRA SPACE. AND NOW THAT, AS SHE WAS SAYING, THERE'S NO OTHER PLACES TO BUILD.
HERE WE GO. AND NOW, WE GOT A BRAND-NEW HOUSE AND A BRAND-NEW SET OF DRAWINGS, WE COULD HAVE MADE IT ANYTHING WE WANT, WE'RE NOT EVEN FINISHED WITH IT AND HERE WE ARE WITH THE VARIANCE. I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE 15 YEARS FROM NOW.
BUT I DO -- I DO SEE STEVEN'S POINT AND I DO DEFER TO HIS AREA OF EXPERTISE ON THAT. TWO FEET ISN'T A BIG DEAL.
I JUST DON'T KNOW -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE LOOKS LIKE.
BECAUSE IN THE PAST, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD, IT JUST GETS MORE AND MORE AND MORE AND MORE. AND I'M JUST GREATLY CONCERNED.
>> WELL KEEP IN MIND THIS WOULD NOT SET ANY PRECEDENTS THAT
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. >> YES, ABSOLUTELY.
>> BUT DOES IT BECOME AN INSTANCE OF SENDING A MESSAGE TO THE ARCHITECT OVER THE CONCERNS OF THE HOMEOWNER.
THAT IS I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT.
>> WE'RE PROFESSIONALLY SERVICE DRIVEN PEOPLE.
WE ARE THERE TO DESIGN FOR THE CLIENT.
I'M JUST GOING TO STEP OUT OF MY ROLE HERE BUT AS AN ARCHITECT IT IS OUR DUTY. SO I THINK THAT YES, I MEAN I GOT TO RESPECT THAT, YES THAT'S WHAT WE DO.
>> ANYTHING ELSE GUYS? SO WE CAN GO BACK TO OUR MOTION.
DO YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO YOUR ORIGINAL MOTION AGAIN?
>> NO, I CERTAINLY CAN, IF YOU LIKE.
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I DON'T THINK WE CAN REOPEN IT CAN WE TAMMI?>> NO JUST MAKE IT OVER A NEW. ANEW.
SORRY. >> IT WILL BE GOOD PRACTICE FOR
HIM TAMMI. >> I MOVE TO APPROVE BOA CASE 2020-13 AND I MOVE THAT THE BOA MAKE THE FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW A PART OF THE RECORD, SO THE ITEM AS PRESENT SAID SUBSTANTIALLY THE COMPLIANT TO WARRANT APPROVAL AT THIS TIME AND AGAIN I'LL KIND OF STATE MY LOGIC.
THIS PROPERTY HAS CONSTRAINTS THAT ARE UNUSUAL TO MOST.
REQTHATTHE EFFORTS HAVE BEEN MAO GET A BUILDING PERMIT THAT IS COMPLIANT. IT HAS MET THE SET BACK ON THREE SIDES. IT HAS GOTTEN APPROVAL, BY CITY OFFICIALS, IT'S GOING TO BE SCREENED BY TREES THAT ARE ON A LACHUA, IT IS ON A SUBSTANTIAL GREAT DIFFERENCE.
I THINK THERE'S ENOUGH THERE THAT WARRANTS A CONSIDERATION OF
A TWO-FOFOOT CHANGE. >> THANK YOU SIR.
DO I HAVE A SECOND? >> SECOND.
>> SECOND BY MR. HERTSLET. TAYLOR WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL. >> MEMBER PAPKE, YES, MEMBER HERTSLET, MEMBER GRANT, YES. MEMBER OLIVA, YES.
>> THERE YOU GO. GIVE DAPHNE A FEW DAYS AND SHE'LL HAVE YOUR PAPERWORK. YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE WRITING ON
THE WALL MIGHT BE. >> IS THERE A MOOD IN HERE?
>> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH AND GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR NEW
HOUSE. >> ANY BUSINESS GUYS? ANYBODY WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING? DAPHNE WE GOT ANYTHING? NO?
>> NO. >> WE'RE GOING TO GET OUT OF HERE EARLY NURT. COMMISSIONER ROSS IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO GO HOME AND WATCH THE NEWS.
>> I'VE GOT A NEW RULE, 7:00. >> DAPHNE WOULD YOU INDEPENDENTLY MOO MAKING SURE THAT MY POWERPOINT FROM THE WORKSHOP IS SENT TO ALL OF THE BOARD MEMBERS, PLEASE?
>> NO. >> SO WE'LL
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.