>> ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO CALL THIS MEETING
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OF THE GOLF COURSE ADVISORY BOARD TO ORDER.[1. CALL TO ORDER]
WE'VE GOT THE WHOLE NEW BOARD HERE, SO WE'RE GOING TO FIRST OF ALL STAND -- LET'S DO A ROLL CALL.>> ALL RIGHT, LET'S ALL STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
>> FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS TO ASSIGN ROLES TO EVERYBODY.
DO WE HAVE ANY INTEREST TO BE PRESIDENT OR CHAIRMAN OF THE
>> OKAY. >> I'M FINE BEING SECRETARY.
>> ALL RIGHT, OKAY. >> [INDISCERNIBLE].
>> OKAY. AND THEN, SUE, YOU'RE THE
>> AND, LEE, YOU'RE STILL THE MEN'S CLUB, CORRECT? YOU'RE STILL THE MEN'S CLUB REPRESENTATIVE ALSO.
>> I GUESS I WILL BE SINCE THERE'S NOBODY ELSE.
>> HE NOMINATED YOU, SO YOU'RE IN THAT POSITION.
>> THAT'S JUST A ONE-YEAR TERM. >> RIGHT.
>> FROM THE DAY YOU WERE APPROVED FROM LAST WEEK, A FEW
>> YEP, ALL RIGHT. AND YOU TWO JUST GET TO SIT AND LISTEN AND VOTE. ALL RIGHT.
[10. PUBLIC COMMENT]
WELL, WE'VE HAD OUR REQUESTS SINCE WE HAVE TWO COMMISSIONERS PRESENT WITH US TO MOVE THE PUBLIC COMMENT UP TO RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOME THINGS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DIRECT YOU ON AND TALK ABOUT. SO LET'S MOVE THE PUBLIC COMMENT UP RIGHT NOW. YOU ASKED TO GO FIRST.>> GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY. MIKE [INDISCERNIBLE] 1586 CANOPY DRIVE. AS MR. MURPHY STATED, I AM A CITY COMMISSIONER, GOING TO CELEBRATE MY SECOND YEAR HERE IN A WEEK. WOW, THAT'S GOING FAST.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO START OUT WITH IS FIRST OF ALL THANK YOU FOR VOLUNTEERING TO BE ON THIS BOARD.
WE HONOR AND RESPECT OUR COMMUNITY VOLUNTEERISM ON THESE BOARDS AND THEY'RE AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF THE CITY.
BUT WHILE YOU'RE SITTING HERE, YOU'RE MORE THAN LIKELY WONDERING, "WELL, WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO? WHAT IS MY ROLE HERE?" AND I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, QUITE FRANKLY, ON THE NEXT CITY COMMISSION AGENDA NEXT TUESDAY, THERE WAS AN ITEM TO SUNSET THIS BOARD BECAUSE Y'ALL HAVEN'T MET IN A WHILE, WHICH IS NONE OF YOUR FAULTS.
I THINK IT'S BEEN EIGHT MONTHS SINCE THE LAST --
>> SINCE MARCH, MARCH WAS THE LAST.
>> SINCE THE LAST MEETING. AND THE SECOND PART OF THAT IS REALLY FROM A CITY -- AND I'M ONLY SPEAKING FOR MYSELF AS ONE COMMISSIONER. HE CAN SPEAK FOR HIMSELF.
ON THE TWO YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THIS COMMISSION I'VE NEVER HEARD A WORD ON THIS BOARD. THIS IS THE GOLF COURSE ADVISORY BOARD. WHO DO YOU ADVISE? YOU ADVISE THE CITY COMMISSION. I HAD MR. MURPHY DISTRIBUTE YOU THIS RESOLUTION. UNDER SECTION 5, THE GOLF COURSE ADVISORY BOARD SHALL REVIEW ACTIVITIES AT THE FERNANDINA BEACH GOLF COURSE MANAGEMENT TEAM AND REPORT TO THE CITY COMMISSION, CITY MANAGER, OR CITY DESIGNEE, TO ENSURE THE BEST POSSIBLE MANAGEMENT PRACTICES.
ASSURE THE BEST POSSIBLE MANAGEMENT PRACTICES, OKAY? POWERS AND DUTIES. TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO THE HOURS OF OPERATION, THE PROGRAMS AND SERVICES THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, AND THE CARE AND CONDITIONS OF ALL GOLF COURSE FACILITIES. MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING
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POLICIES AND RATES TO BE CHARGED FOR THE USE OF FACILITIES AND EQUIPMENT THAT IS AVAILABLE FOR USE BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC, REVIEW MARKETING PLANS, EFFORTS TO INCREASE ROUNDS REVENUE, IN PARENTHESES, MALE AND FEMALES WEBSITES, TOURNAMENTS, MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS AND ASSIST IN THE PREPARATION OF BUDGETS. SO IN THE PREPARATION OF OUR 2020/2021 BUDGET, STEVE, DID THE GOLF COURSE ADVISORY BOARD HAVEANY INPUT? >> ALL THE TERMS HAD EXPIRED AT THAT POINT IN TIME AND NOBODY ELSE HAD SHOWN ANY INTEREST.
>> THANK YOU. SO AGAIN TO MY POINT, THIS IS WHAT THE CITY COMMISSION HAS SET OUT FOR THIS BODY TO DO, TO PROVIDE THE CITY CLERK WITH MINUTES COVERING THE MEETINGS OF THE BOARD AND PREPARE AND SUBMIT TO THE CITY COMMISSION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AFTER THE END OF THEIR PHYSICAL YEAR A COMPREHENSIVE ANNUAL REPORT OF THE BOARD'S ACTIVITY.
SO THAT'S PRETTY WIDE-RANGING. THAT'S PRETTY SPECIFIC.
AND AS THE FIVE OF YOU PROBABLY REALIZE, WE ARE AT -- TRYING NOT TO BE TOO DRAMATIC, WE ARE AT A CROSSROADS IN REGARDS TO THE GOLF COURSE. INDIGO GOLF, WHICH HAS HELD THE CONTRACT FOR THE PAST TEN YEARS, THEIR CONTRACT EXPIRES ON THE 18TH. THEY HAVE A 60-DAY EXTENSION.
AND THE DECISION BEFORE THE CITY COMMISSION, AND I WROTE AN OPINION PIECE ABOUT THIS, IS WE HAVE FOUR OPTIONS.
WE CAN SELF-DIRECT MANAGEMENT, WHICH ESSENTIALLY MEANS WE TURN IT OVER TO PARKS AND REC AND ANY STAFF AND PARKS AND REC WOULD RUN THE GOLF COURSE. YOU CAN DO INDIRECT MANAGEMENT WHICH MEANS THE CITY ASSUMES THE RESPONSIBLE AND HIRES GOLF COURSE PROFESSIONALS WHO WORK FOR THE CITY.
YOU CAN DO CONTRACTS WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE NOW WITH BILLY CASPER GOLF, AND THEY'VE HAD THAT SINCE DECEMBER 2010, I BELIEVE IS WHEN THE CONTRACT WAS SIGNED.
>> YES, SIR. >> OR YOU CAN DO LEASE, BUT LEASE IS NOW MORE DIFFICULT BECAUSE OF THE CHARTER AMENDMENT WHICH WAS PASSED IN NOVEMBER IN WHICH TO LEASE REPARATION OR CONSERVATION LAND, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A SUPERMAJORITY VOTE AND REFERENDUM AND PASS BY 70%. BUT THOSE ARE THE CHOICES THAT THE CITY COMMISSION IS FACED WITH.
NOW WE HAVE AN ADVISORY BOARD THAT AS A CITY COMMISSIONER, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD HEAR FROM YOU AS TO WHAT YOU THINK IS THE BEST POSSIBLE SOLUTION GOING FORWARD WITH THE OPERATION OF THE GOLF COURSE. THAT'S WHAT I LOOK TO THESE ADVISORY BOARDS FOR. THE OTHER PART OF THAT --
>> TEST, TEST, TEST, TEST, TEST, TEST.
>> -- IS THAT SINCE I WROTE THAT OPINION PIECE AND SINCE I TOURED THE SOUTH COURSE, I HAVE RECEIVED 15 DIFFERENT EMAILS AND ON MY FACEBOOK POSTING OF THE PHOTOS THAT I POSTED, OVER 155 COMMENTS. FIVE OF THOSE COMMENTS ARE FROM EITHER CURRENT OR FORMER SUPERINTENDENTS.
A COUPLE OF THE EMAILS I RECEIVED WERE FROM OTHER SUPERINTENDENTS. AND I WANT TO SAY THE FOLLOWING.
I'VE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH STEVE MURPHY.
AND I HAVE THE HIGHEST RESPECT FOR THE JOB THAT MR. MURPHY AND HIS STAFF ARE DOING. AND THIS IS REALLY WHAT THIS BOILS DOWN TO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CONDITION OF A GOLF COURSE. AND I WAS A GOLF COURSE WRITER FOR 25 YEARS. I ACTUALLY WORKED FOR A GOLF
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MAGAZINE, GOLF SUPER NEWS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HEARD OF THAT. I'VE PLAYED OVER 200 GOLF COURSES. I'M THE ONLY COMMISSION MEMBER WHO PLAYS GOLF. DON'T KNOW ABOUT MR. BEE OR STURGIS. BUT MY POINT BEING THAT WHEN I RECEIVE AN EMAIL -- SO HERE'S AN EXAMPLE.I RECEIVED AN EMAIL ABOUT HAVING A JUNIOR GOLF PROGRAM AT THE CITY FACILITY. AND HE IS A FORMER PGA PROFESSIONAL. FOR 13 YEARS HE WAS THE HEAD PROFESSIONAL AT A GOLF CLUB IN PANAMA CITY.
AND HE HAS PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSAL FOR JUNIOR GOLF.
NOW, AS A COMMISSIONER, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DO WOULD BE TO HAVE HIM APPEAR BEFORE THIS GROUP, RUN HIS PROPOSAL BY YOU, AND THEN THIS GROUP SAY YAY OR NAY GOING FORWARD, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COMMISSION.
AND THAT'S THE WAY MOST OF THE OTHER COMMITTEES WORK.
FROM MY COMMISSION SEAT, WHEN I RECEIVE A REQUEST OR SOMEONE HAS A PROPOSAL, I POINT THEM TO THE APPROPRIATE COMMITTEE.
THEY MAKE THEIR PROPOSAL AND THAT COMMITTEE GOES UP OR DOWN TO THE CITY COMMISSION. SO THAT'S HOW THESE BOARDS SHOULD WORK. AS I SAID, WE ARE IN THE ASSESSMENT MODE. ONE OF THE OTHER EMAILS I RECEIVED WAS FROM A GENTLEMAN RICHARD.
AND RICHARD STARTED HIS CAREER AS SUPERINTENDENT OF THE ROBERT TRENT JONES GOLF COURSE AT CORNWELL IN ITHACA, NEW YORK.
HE SUBSEQUENTLY WENT TO MELVILLE LONG ISLAND, WHERE HE WAS IN CHARGE OF 100 FACILITIES WHICH GREW TO 114 AND THEN WENT TO GOLF MANAGEMENT IN JAPAN AND MANAGED GOLF COURSES.
AND THE REASON I RAISED THIS IS BECAUSE WE'RE ASSESSING INDIGO, OKAY, AND THAT'S MY RESPONSIBILITY AS A CITY COMMISSIONER IS TO DO DUE DILI DILIGENCE. HOW IS INDIGO PERFORMING? WHAT IS THE CURRENT CONDITION OF THE GOLF COURSE? WHAT IS THE ASSESSMENT? AND LEVERAGING AN EXPERT LIKE HIM TO INSPECT THE GOLF COURSE AND GIVE ME HIS BEST OPINION.
SO THIS IS ALL ABOUT GATHERING DATA.
AND THEN FINALLY, THE LAST EMAIL I RECEIVED WAS FROM A GENTLEMAN NAMED ERIC LARSON OF LARSON GOLF.
ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH HIM, STEVE? OKAY. HE'S A GOLF COURSE ARCHITECT WHO NOW HAS HIS OWN CONSULTANT FIRM AND HE CONSULTS WITH MUNICIPALITIES ON HOW TO BEST GO FORWARD IN THE MANAGEMENT OF THEIR GOLF COURSE. SO HERE'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE SHOULD BRING MR. LARSON BEFORE THIS GROUP, YOU HEAR FROM HIM, AND THEN YOU ADVISE THE CITY COMMISSION. DO WE NEED A CONSULTANT TO MAKE THIS DECISION? I DON'T KNOW THAT.
BUT THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF HOW, AS A COMMISSIONER, I LOOK TO THIS BODY. AND SO, THAT'S HOW I'M ADVISING YOU. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OUT OF THIS COMMITTEE. DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR M ME?
>> IT'S NOT REALLY A QUESTION, BUT I JUST WILL BRING EVERYBODY UP TO DATE. I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD SINCE IT WAS THE GREENS AND OOVERSIGHT COMMITTEE, SO ABOUT FIVE YEARS.
AND WE MET EVERY MONTH. AND THEY CAME TO EVERY ONE OF OUR MEETINGS AND THEY HAVE BEEN A GREAT RESOURCE.
AND THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING TO THE CITY COMMISSIONERS BECAUSE THEY WERE HERE, JUST TO GO TO YOUR POINT.
AND WE HAVE [INDISCERNIBLE] DONE.
THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES THAT WE HAVE DONE.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING, JUST TO SAY THAT.
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AND I THINK THOSE ARE GREAT COMMENTS.>> GREAT, THANK YOU. AND I WOULD LIKE TO PUT ON YOUR NEXT AGENDA THE JUNIOR GOLF, SO IF YOU ALL WOULD AGREE TO THAT.
>> CAN YOU SPELL THAT FOR ME? >> YEAH, IT'S P-A-Z-A-K-I-S.
AND HE'S LOCAL. I'LL FORWARD THE EMAIL HE SENT TO ME. IT HAS HIS RESUME.
I'LL SEND IT TO YOU. IT HAS THE RESUME AND THE JUNIOR GOLF PROPOSAL. SO IF YOU COULD DISTRIBUTE THAT
TO THEM, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. >> YES, MA'AM.
>> SO TO YOUR POINT ABOUT BRINGING IN A CONSULTANT AND LOOKING AT WHAT NEEDS TO BE OR COULD BE DONE, DO WE NEED TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND SEE WHAT WE DID WRONG ALL THESE YEARS OR IS THAT A MOOT POINT NOW? BUT WHY IS THE GOLF COURSE IN THIS SHAPE AND LET'S DON'T DO IT AGAIN.
>> THAT IS ABSOLUTELY A GREAT QUESTION.
AND FOR THE PAST THREE WEEKS, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO UNRAVEL THAT KNOT OF -- BECAUSE THE HISTORY OF THE GOLF COURSE IS, DURING THE 2000'S, THE GOLF COURSE WAS SUCCESSFUL.
IT WAS SO SUCCESSFUL THAT THE CITY WAS TAKING $100,000 A YEAR OUT OF THE GOLF COURSE FUND, PUTTING IT TO THE GENERAL FUND, TO THE TUNE OF $1.7 MILLION. AND I BELIEVE YEARS EARLIER THAN THAT, THERE WAS $400,000 TAKEN OUT OF THE GOLF COURSE THAT WENT TO THE AIRPORT. NONE OF THAT MONEY WAS EVER PAID BACK. AND AS WE ALL KNOW, RICKY, YOU RUN A BUSINESS, WHEN YOU HAVE MONEY YOU REINVEST IT BACK INTO THE BUSINESS. YOU DON'T PULL IT OUT AND NEVER PUT IT BACK. AND TO ME, THAT'S ONE OF THE CONTRIBUTING PROBLEMS, IS THAT THE FACILITY HASN'T BEEN SUSTAINED BECAUSE THEY TOOK ALL OF THE OPERATING REVENUE OUT TO
PUT BACK INTO THE GOLF COURSE. >> UNTIL THE RECESSION HIT IN
>> RIGHT. >> NOW THE OTHER MYSTERY TO ME, BECAUSE I READ THE GROUNDS REPORT AND THE REVENUE REPORT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO REVIEW LATER, WAS -- SO YOU SEE A PEAK I THINK IN 2012, 2013 IS THE PEAK.
BUT THEN YOU SEE A DROPOFF, ESPECIALLY IN THE REVENUE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REVENUE, YOU'LL SEE LIKE A $300,000 DROP.
AND I'M GOING, "OKAY, WELL, WHAT HAPPENED THERE?" OKAY, BECAUSE IT NEVER KIND OF RECOVERED FROM THAT.
SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT TWO THINGS.
ONE, WHY DID ROUNDS OF GOLF DROP, WHY DID REVENUE DROP? SO WHAT WERE THEY DOING SUCCESSFULLY BACK THEN WHEN THE CITY WAS PULLING MONEY OUT AND HOW AND WHY THE DID THAT CHANGE? AND THEN OF COURSE, THE GO-FORWARD QUESTION IS, HOW DO WE GET BACK TO THAT? I HOPE I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.
>> YEAH. >> BUT YEAH, I'M STILL SEARCHING FOR ANSWERS. YES, SIR.
>> COMMISSIONER, YOU MENTIONED YOU HAVE THE FOUR OPTIONS AHEAD OF YOU. MY QUICK TAKE OF IT IS IT'S KIND OF A BAD TIME TO BE MAKING A DECISION WITH THIS PANDEMIC GOING AROUND WHERE PEOPLE AREN'T TRAVELING AND WALKING AROUND IN MASKS AND EVERYTHING IS KIND OF SHUT DOWN QUITE A BIT IN THE LEISURE TYPE OF BUSINESS. SO IT SEEMS LIKE MAKING AN IMPORTANT DECISION IN A TIME OF CRISIS COULD TEND TO MAKE A BAD DECISION VERSUS POSSIBLY PUTTING IT OFF FOR A LONGER TIME AND DOING A MUCH GREATER ASSESSMENT AND COME UP WITH A BETTER DECISION NOT AFFECTED BY THIS HOPEFULLY TEMPORARY THING GOING AROUND IN PARTS OF THE COUNTRY. AS A NEW MEMBER OF THIS BOARD, TO HAVE AFFORDABLE GOLF ON A NICE GOLF COURSE FOR THOSE PEOPLE ESPECIALLY THAT CAN'T AFFORD TO BE A MEMBER OF A PRIVATE COURSE. I GREW UP IN NEW JERSEY AND I CADDIED AT A PRIVATE COURSE. AND I REALLY HAD NO ACCESS TO ANY GOLF. ONCE A WEEK ON MONDAYS SOMETIMES THEY WOULD LET THE CADDIES PLAY A LITTLE BIT, BUT ASIDE FROM CARRYING BAGS AND SNEAKING ON THE COURSE ON OCCASION TO HIT A FEW SHOTS, THAT WAS MY ONLY EXPOSURE.
SO THIS MEMBER IS COMMITTED TO HAVING THIS GOLF COURSE SURVIVE IN A MANNER THAT PROVIDES THAT ACCESS TO THIS GREAT SPORT TO AS
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MANY PEOPLE AS IT CAN. >> SO YOU'RE EXACTLY CORRECT.
THE GOLF COURSE IS AN AMENITY. WE ARE A CITY AMENITY ON A RESORT ISLAND. SO YOU HAVE A MUNICIPAL GOLF COURSE THAT COMPETES WITH RESORT GOLF COURSES, OKAY? AND YOU'RE AT AN UNFAIR COMPETITIVE SITUATION BECAUSE YOU NEED TO KEEP YOUR RATES AFFORDABLE TO CITY AND COUNTY RESIDENTS, BUT YOU'RE COMPETING AGAINST THESE OTHER GOLF COURSES THAT HAVE THE RESOURCES TO HAVE THEIR COURSES IN VERY GOOD CONDITION. AND SO HOW DO YOU DO THOSE TWO THINGS? THE PANDEMIC THROWS ANOTHER WRINKLE INTO IT. ALTHOUGH I WILL SAY, GOLF IS ONE OF THE FEW ACTIVITIES DURING A PANDEMIC THAT YOU CAN PLAY SAFELY BECAUSE YOU'RE OUTSIDE. THE GREAT DISADVANTAGES ARE THE CARTS. INSTEAD OF A FOURSOME HAS TWO CARTS, A FOURSOME HAS FOUR. SO THAT'S THE OPERATING DISVANG THAT YOU HAVE. BUT GENERALLY GOLF GROUNDS ARE STAYING STEADY OR UP BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN PLAY GOLF SAFELY.
BUT NO, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
MY POSITION IS I WOULD LIKE THE CITY TO DO RFPS.
THERE ARE 20 GOLF COURSE MANAGEMENT COMPANIES IN THE UNITED STATES. HOW DO WE KNOW HOW OTHER COMPANIES MIGHT RUN OUR GOLF COURSE? WE'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW THAT UNLESS WE DO AN RFP, UNLESS WE GET REQUESTS FOR PROPOSALS? SO ABSENT OF THAT, HOW CAN WE MAKE A DECISION? BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, YEAH. YEAH.
ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.
THESE DAMN GLASSES ON. I'M SURE YOU ALL KNOW ABOUT THAT. MY NAME IS CHIP ROSS, I LIVE AT 210 NORTH 3RD STREET. I'M THE CITY COMMISSIONER.
I'VE GOT FOUR MORE YEARS AND THEN I'M DONE.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY WELCOME ABOARD.
APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND YOUR EFFORT BEING INVOLVED IN THIS.
THE SECOND THING IS, THERE'S A CHINESE CURSE CALLED "MAY YOU BE BORN IN INTERESTING TIMES." AND I THINK AS FAR AS THE GOLF COURSE GOES, THESE ARE GOING TO BE INTERESTING TIMES.
I WILL SAY, I'VE NEVER PLAYED A ROUND OF GOLF IN MY LIFE.
I HAVE PLAYED TWO GAMES OF PUTT PUTT BUT THAT'S ABOUT MY TOTAL EXPERIENCE IN GOLF. I WILL SAY, IT'S BEEN POINTED OUT, I'VE BEEN TO EVERY GOLF COURSE MEETING PROBABLY IN THE LAST THREE YEARS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND I ALSO SAY THAT THERE WERE 39,000 ROUNDS OF GOLF PLAYED AND OF WHICH I RECEIVED NOT ONE COMPLAINT.
AS A CITY COMMISSIONER, YOU LIVE AND DIE ON EMAIL AND COMPLAINTS.
SO TO ME, WHEN THERE'S NO COMPLAINTS, PEOPLE ARE GENERALLY SATISFIED. MY PERSONAL BELIEF IS THAT THIS GOLF COURSE, IT'S NOT AN ENTERPRISE FUND.
IT'S NOT THERE TO MAKE MONEY. IT'S AN AMENITY THAT SHOULD BE A F FUN, AND AS YOU POINTED OUT, AFFORDABLE GOLF COURSE. AND THAT'S WHAT I RAN ON THREE YEARS AGO. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE SAID REPEATEDLY SINCE THAT TIME AND THAT'S WHAT I WILL CONTINUE TO SAY. HOWEVER, TO THOSE FOUR CHOICES POINTED OUT, THERE IS A FIFTH CHOICE.
AND IT'S A CHOICE THAT PEOPLE HAVE BROUGHT UP AND IT'S DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH THE GOLF COURSE BESIDES HAVE A GOLF COURSE. AND I'M GOING TO JUST TELL YOU THAT THERE'S A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO BELIEVE THAT. I'M NOT SAYING THAT I BELIEVE THAT, BUT THAT IS A SENTIMENT OUT IN A CERTAIN PART OF THE COMMUNITY. BUT THEY HAVE THAT SAME SENTIMENT ABOUT THE MARINA AND THEY HAVE THAT SAME SENTIMENT ABOUT MANY THINGS. SO I'M JUST TELLING YOU, THERE'S NO N NOT UNAMITY ON THAT. SINCE 2013, THE CITY HAS
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TRANSFERRED MONEY TO THE GOLF COURSE FUND AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND TAKEN IT BACK. SO THERE'S $2 MILLION OF DEBT ASSOCIATED WITH THE GOLF COURSE RIGHT NOW.AND TRANSFERRING IT BACK AND FORTH TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT'S BREAKING EVEN, IN MY OPINION, NEEDS TO STOP.
IN THE AUDITOR'S OPINION, IT NEEDS TO STOP TOO.
SO YOU HAVE TO ACCOUNT EVERY YEAR FOR WHAT THE GOLF COURSE ACTUALLY COSTS. AND SOMEHOW THAT $2 MILLION NEEDS TO BE DEALT WITH. THERE'S ALSO NO REAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT'S FUNDED. IF YOU GO TO THE FIVE-YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND YOU GO TO IT AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS THAT GOES IN THERE THAT COMES OUT -- AND THAT'S NOT INCLUDING NEW GOLF CARTS, THAT COMES OUT TO SIX OR SEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS. THERE'S NO REAL FUNDING SOURCE ALLOCATED TO PAY FOR THAT. SO THE QUESTION THAT HAS COME UP RECENTLY AND THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO RESOLVE SHORTLY BECAUSE THERE'S A 60-DAY FUSE ON IT, IS WHO'S GOING TO OPERATE THE GOLF COURSE? AND FINALLY, PART OF THE THING THAT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED AND WOULD BE HELPFUL, AND I GOT ONE OPINION, IS WHAT IS THE OBJECTIVE OF THE GOLF COURSE? IS IT AN AMENITY, IS IT SUPPOSED TO MAKE MONEY, OR IS IT SUPPOSED TO DO SOMETHING ELSE? SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK TWO QUESTIONS. AND THE FIRST IS FROM THE BOARD AND THE SECOND IS FROM [INDISCERNIBLE] MR. MURPHY.
THE FIRST IS, I WOULD LIKE YOUR OPINION, AND MAYBE TALK ABOUT IT TODAY, OF THOSE FIVE CHOICES. THE CITY HAS 60 DAYS.
WHAT SHOULD WE BE PURSUING? AND THE SECOND QUESTION, AND MAYBE THAT SHOULD BE ANSWERED FIRST, IS TO THE GENERAL MANAGER MR. MURPHY, WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE GOLF
COURSE GOING FORWARD? >> WELL, THAT'S A TOUGH QUESTION ON THE SPOT, ESPECIALLY EVERYTHING THAT'S GONE ON AS OF LATE. BUT YESTERDAY I SUBMITTED TO THE CITY MANAGER AND INDIGO GOLF MY LETTER OF RESIGNATION.
THERE'S JUST TOO MUCH -- WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENED IN MY LIFE IN THE PAST YEAR, IT'S TIME FOR ME TO MOVE ON.
>> MM. SO I'LL GO BACK TO MY QUESTION TO YOU. SURE.
>> WHAT DO THE COMMISSIONERS PLAN ON DOING AT 60 DAYS? IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE 60 DAYS IS LONG ENOUGH TO [INDISCERNIBLE].
ON THE ANNUAL REPORT, BEFORE MORRIS GROUP CAME IN --
>> WELL, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS ARE GOING TO DO. I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE CITY MANAGER HAS WRITTEN A LETTER TO ININDIGO GOLF COURSE, WHICH I BELIEVE I READ SOMEONE ELSE. AND THE IDEA THAT THERE'S 20 COMPANIES OUT THERE, I REALLY THINK THERE'S MUCH LESS LARGE COMPANIES OUT THERE TO MANAGE GOLF COURSES.
>> I JUST REMEMBER WHEN [INDISCERNIBLE] IT TOOK MANY MONTHS BEFORE WE MADE A DECISION.
>> TO CUT TO THE CHASE, IT DEPENDS ON WHAT INDIGO GOLF IS WILLING TO DO. SO I CAN'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
>> STEVE, DO WE HAVE ANOTHER EXTENSION OPTION WITH INDIGO OR
IS IT 60 DAYS AND THEN -- >> RIGHT NOW IT'S 60 DAYS FOR THE CITY MANAGER AND INDIGO GOLF TO GET TOGETHER.
>> WE HAVE 60 DAYS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AND THEN IT'S ON
THE COMMISSION. >> IT'S LESS THAN 60 DAYS.
>> YEAH, THAT LETTER CAME OUT NOT THIS MEETING BUT THE LAST
>> SO WE'VE GOT 30 DAYS BASICALLY TO GIVE THE COMMISSION A RECOMMENDATION AND THEN IT'S ON THE COMMISSION TO DO WHAT THEY PLEASE WITH IT OR THE ADVISORY BOARD.
SO I FEEL THAT WE GIVE THEM THE OPTIONS AND IF IT'S LAYING OUT THE PROS AND CONS FOR ALL FIVE OF THE OPTIONS PRESENTED, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE DO. AND WE TAKE OUR 30 DAYS AND THAT'S OUR TIMEFRAME AND, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY, THIS GOT PUT TO THE WAYSIDE AND THE BOTTOM OF A PRIORITY LIST AND NOW WE'RE PUT TO THE CRUNCH. AND LIKE COMMISSIONER SAID --
>> MAY YOU BE BORN IN INTERESTING TIMES.
>> INTERESTING TIMES. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW. SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW -- I
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KNOW THERE'S THREE OF YOU HERE NOW -- OF THOSE FIVE OPTIONS, WHICH ONE DO EACH ONE OF YOU SEE AS THE MOST VIABLE FOR THE CITY PERSONALLY, NOT SPEAKING FOR THE COMMISSION, JUST YOUR PERSONAL-- >> WELL, THERE'S FIVE CHOICES.
I WOULD NOT DISBAND THE GOLF COURSE.
I THINK THE LEAST OPTION LOOKING -- I MEAN, INDIGO PRESENTED US A LEASE I THINK ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, WHICH WAS REJECTED.
AND I LOOKED AT THE LEASE OPTIONS THAT CAME IN WITH THE MARINA AND I THINK THE LEASE OPTION -- IT ACTUALLY CAN LEASE IT, JUST NOT FOR MORE THAN 40 YEARS, THAT'S WHAT I RECALL OF THE CHARTER LANGUAGE. I THINK THAT'S NOT A VERY GOOD OPTION. I THINK IT BOILS DOWN TO THE INDIRECT, YOU FIND SOMEBODY TO MANAGE IT, A GOLF COURSE COMPANY TO MANAGE IT, OR THE CITY GOES OUT AND HIRES SOMEBODY TO MANAGE IT. AND WHICH OF THOSE TWO CHOICES,
>> I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DATA.
>> I UNDERSTAND. >> I WAIT UNTIL I GET ALL THE
>> AND I HAVE A GUT FEELING -- BUT ON THIS ONE I REALLY DON'T.
I MEAN, THERE'S PROS AND CONS. THAT'S MY HONEST ANSWER.
>> NO. I'LL JUST GO BACK TO MIKE'S POINT. YOU SAID $2 MILLION THE LAST TEN YEARS. AND THEY TOOK OUT $2.1 MILLION THE TEN YEARS PRIOR TO THAT. IF THEY LEFT THAT MONEY IN AND
RAN THIS THING -- >> I UNDERSTAND THAT.
>> PLUS I KNOW THE EMPLOYEE-RUN GOLF COURSE WAS MAKING A NICE JOB. AND PART OF THE REASON THEY WANT TO GET RID OF HIM IS THEY THOUGHT HE WAS GETTING TOO MUCH
MONEY. >> ALL THOSE THINGS ARE ALL IN THE PAST. AND THE REASON THE CITY GOLF COURSE PROBABLY MADE SO MUCH MONEY IS BECAUSE THEY HAD VERY LITTLE COMPETITION. THEY USED TO PLAY 100,000 ROUNDS OF GOLF HERE FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.
>> I THINK DEMOGRAPHICS DID A LOT TOO BECAUSE IF I REMEMBER BACK THEN 10 OR 15 YEARS AGO, WE WERE YOUNGER.
NOW WE'RE OLDER AND YOUNG PEOPLE AREN'T PLAYING GOLF LIKE WE DID
WHEN WE WERE THEIR AGE. >> IT'S MULTI-FACTOR.
WHAT WAS THE QUESTION YOU ASKED ME? OH, THE $2 MILLION. IT DOESN'T MATTER.
THERE'S $2 MILLION ON THE BOOK. YOU'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH IT.
ONE WAY IS TO TAKE IT OUT OF THE WASTEWATER FUND INTO THE GOLF COURSE FUND AND WRITE IT OFF. THE SECOND WAY IS DO THE SAME THING, PAY OFF A LOAN OVER 20 YEARS.
BUT THE P&I ON THAT AT TODAY'S RATES FOR $2 MILLION BUCKS IS $125,000 A YEAR FOR A GOLF COURSE THAT'S HAVING TROUBLE BREAKING EVEN. THE OTHER THING THAT'S THROWN INTO THIS IS TOPGOLF. THE CITY JUST SPENT MONEY
PUTTING IN TOPGOLF. >> HOW MUCH, $18,000 LESS EXPENSE EACH MONTH BECAUSE OF PAYING OFF THE CLUBHOUSE.
>> THERE WERE TWO LOANS. THERE WAS A LOAN FOR IRRIGATION [INDISCERNIBLE]. BOTH OF THOSE THINGS, THE IRRIGATION PROBABLY HAS ANOTHER TEN YEARS ON ITS LIFE AND THE CLUBHOUSE NEEDS HELP. IT WAS BUILT IN 1999 I BELIEVE
AND IT'S NEEDS HELP. >> RIGHT.
>> SO AGAIN -- >> PART OF YOUR CAPITAL EXPENDITURE PLAN, YOU HAVE ALL THAT.
>> THERE'S SOME CLUBHOUSE IMPROVEMENTS IN THERE, YES.
>> BUT WE HAVE NO FUNDING SOURCE FOR THAT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN EXCEPT, QUOTE, THE ENTERPRISE FUND, WHICH IT'S NOT YOU'RE ABLE TO FUND THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.
IT'S BECAUSE YOU OVERNIGHT BORROWED THE MONEY FROM THE
WASTEWATER -- >> IT'S DALE MARTIN --
>> WHAT? >> THINKING THE CITY CAN DO IT BETTER AND WE CAN SAVE $100,000 AND CASPER SAYS YOU'LL LOSE.
THERE'S A $290,000 DISCREPANCY THAT NEEDS TO BE WORKED OUT.
>> THE IMPETUS IS THUS, INDIGO IS COMING TO END OF ITS CONTRACT. ORIGINALLY, THE CITY MANAGER HAD PROPOSED THAT WE EMBRACE A CERTAIN RATE AND THEN USE THE MONEY FROM THAT TO PAY OFF BOTH THE GOLF COURSE DEBT AND THE MARINA DEBT. THAT WAS REJECTED BY THE CITY COMMISSION. TWO OF THE MEMBERS WANTED TO GO
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TO THE ROLLBACK RATE AND THREE WANTED TO GO TO THE ADJUSTED ROLLBACK RATE BUT GOING BACK TO THE ADJUSTED ROLLBACK RATE, THERE WASN'T ENOUGH MONEY. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT PUT US INTO THIS. SHOULD THIS HAVE PROBABLY BEEN LOOKED AT SIX OR EIGHT MONTHS AGO? PROBABLY. IT WASN'T.WE ARE WHERE WE ARE. SO THE SECOND THING IS THE CITY MANAGER CAME FORWARD AND SAID, "WELL, I THINK WE CAN SAVE MONEY BY MANAGING IT OURSELVES." AND THAT WAS REJECTED BY THE CITY COMMISSION OR NOT EMBRACED AT LEAST.
SO WE ARE WHERE WE ARE. SO DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR
>> ANYTHING ELSE FOR COMMISSIONER ROSS?
>> CAN I ANSWER MR. ROBBINS? >> YEAH.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ROSS.
>> FIRST LET ME SAY, STEVE, I'M VERY SAD TO HEAR THAT YOU ISSUED THAT LETTER. YOU'VE BEEN A VALUABLE ASSET TO THE CITY AND I WANT TO TELL YOU PERSONALLY I APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR EFFORTS AND HARD WORK ON BEHALF OF THE GOLF COURSE.
AND YOU WILL BE GREATLY MISSED. >> THANK YOU.
>> SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, AT THE LAST CITY COMMISSION MEETING, I MADE THE STATEMENT, "I DON'T PLAY THE CITY GOLF COURSE." I PLAY 120 ROUNDS A YEAR.
AND THE REASON I DON'T PLAY THE CITY GOLF COURSE IS TURF.
I'M ASSUMING I HAVE GOLFERS ON THIS PANEL.
YOU KNOW GOLF IS ABOUT TURF. IF YOU HAVE GOOD TURF, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ENJOYABLE ROUND.
IF YOU HAVE BAD TURF, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE AN ENJOYABLE ROUND. AND SO A COUPLE OF PEOPLE COMMENTED AND I DECIDED TO GO OUT AND PLAY THE GOLF COURSE AND I PLAYED THE SOUTH. AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU, I WAS HIGHLY DISAPPOINTED IN THE CONDITION OF THE SOUTH COURSE.
AND I UNDERSTAND AGRONOMY. IT IS A SCIENCE.
GROWING GRASS IS A SCIENCE. AND I UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE ASSOCIATED PROBLEMS WITH GROWING GRASS.
SOIL, DRAINAGE, SHADE ALL COME IN TO PLAY.
THAT'S THE CHALLENGE OF RUNNING A GOLF COURSE.
IT'S VERY COMPLEX. AND SO, MY DECISION IS THE QUESTION BEFORE INDIGO GOLF. AND I TOOK LOTS OF PHOTOS AND LEE AND I TALKED AFTER MY ROUND. I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MEMBERS. AND, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE OWE A DEBT OF GRATITUDE TO OUR MEMBERS WHO HAVE STUCK WITH THE GOLF COURSE. WE REALLY DO.
THAT IS NOT A GOOD PRODUCT, THAT SOUTH COURSE.
SO MY QUESTION TO INDIGO IN THEIR RESPONSE IS, WHAT IS THEIR PLAN FOR THE SOUTH NINE HOLES, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO DEAL WITH THIS AND MAKE THAT NINE PLAYABLE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT PLAYABLE. IT LITERALLY IS NOT.
SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, THE OTHER BASIS OF THE DECISION, IS WHAT IS THEIR -- WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO COUNTER WITH? ARE THEY GOING TO WANT A FIVE-YEAR CONTRACT? ARE THEY GOING TO WANT A ONE-YEAR CONTRACT? ARE THEY GOING TO WANT A TWO-YEAR CONTRACT? SO WE DON'T KNOW THAT.
THE OTHER DYNAMIC THAT YOU ALL SHOULD RECOGNIZE IS THAT IF THE CITY -- IF WE DO INDIRECT MANAGEMENT AND WE HIRE GOLF PROFESSIONALS. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE WOULD HAVE TO HIRE SIX FULL-TIME PEOPLE, IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY. SO YOU'RE GOING TO ADD SIX FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES TO CITY STAFF.
NOW YOU HAVE BENEFITS AND YOU HAVE PENSION.
OUTSIDE GOLF COURSE MANAGEMENT FIRMS DO NOT HAVE THOSE THINGS.
DOES INDIGO HAVE BENEFITS? OKAY, THEY HAVE BENEFITS.
THERE'S NO PENSION. AND REALIZE THAT PENSION IS NOT A ONE-TIME COST. THAT PENSION ACCUMULATES OVER TIME. YOU'RE PAYING THAT COST AT AN INCREASED RATE YEAR OVER YEAR OVER YEAR.
SO THAT'S WHY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE COST OF OUTSIDE MANAGEMENT VERSUS INSIDE, THE CITY ATTORNEY AT OUR LAST MEETING SAID THE CITY WOULD BE SAVING ABOUT $50,000.
NOW, THAT'S YEAR ONE. AT A CERTAIN POINT, THAT ACCUMULATION OF PENSION IS GOING TO EAT AT THAT 50 GRAND.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS VERY COMPLICATED.
VERY, VERY COMPLICATED. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION,
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THAT'S WHAT I'M BASING MY DECISION ON.[INDISCERNIBLE] GRASS, WHAT WAS YOUR ASSESSMENT OF -- I MEAN, [INDISCERNIBLE] PLAYED THAT A FEW WEEKS AGO, THE SOUTH, AND I'VE PLAYED IT IN ALL CONDITIONS THE PAST TEN YEARS.
SOMETIMES IT'S BETTER, SOMETIMES IT'S WORSE.
THE MOST CRITICAL PART REALLY IS THE GREENS.
BUT WHICH HOLES DID YOU FIND PARTICULARLY IRKSOME.
THEY'RE NOT ALL UNIFORM. >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
THERE WERE FOUR HOLES. SO FOUR OUT OF THE NINE HOLES I WOULD SAY ARE UNPLAYABLE. AND RIGHT OFF THE BAT, NUMBER
ONE. >> IS IT JUST BECAUSE GRASS IS PARTICULARLY HARD TO GROW ON THAT SOIL?
>> THE EXPERT'S SITTING RIGHT OVER THERE.
AND I MENTIONED SOIL, IRRIGATION, HOW IT DRAINS OR HOW IT CAPTURES WATER, SHADE. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IN CONVERSATIONS WITH MR. MURPHY IT'S THAT A VERY POORLY DESIGNED
NINE. >> NOT DESIGNED, CONSTRUCTED.
>> CONSTRUCTED NINE. THANK YOU.
THANKS FOR CORRECTING ME. A VERY POORLY CONSTRUCTED NINE.
THE QUESTION BEFORE INDIGO IS, "WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?"
>>[INDISCERNIBLE]. >> ABSOLUTELY.
>> OKAY. >> BUT CONVERSELY IT WILL COST THE CITY MONEY TO DO IT, BECAUSE AS I SAID, THAT'S A SUBSTANDARD PRODUCT. I'VE BEEN PLAYING TWO SINCE I'VE MOVED HERE. YOU WILL NEVER GROW GRASS ON THAT FAIRWAY. IT'S SAND.
>> YEAH, TWO SOUTH. SIX AND EIGHT.
AND I HAVE THE PICTURES ON MY PHONE AND YOU CAN GO ON FACEBOOK AND YOU CAN SEE IS PHOTOS. AND THEN THERE WERE TWO GREENS, NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER FOUR. OTHER THAN THAT -- AND THE GREENS RAN -- AS YOU SAID, THEY WERE VERY FAST, OKAY? BUT YET TWO GREENS THAT WERE PROBLEMATIC.
AND THE GOLFERS ON THIS PANEL KNOW PUTTING IS ONE-THIRD OF THE GAME. PUTTING IS ONE-THIRD OF THE GAME. YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE GOOD GREENS, ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO HAVE GOOD GREENS.
AND YOU HAD YOUR HAND UP. >> YOU'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE SOUTH. HAVE YOU PLAYED IN THE WEST AND NORTH TO SEE THE CONDITIONS THERE? BECAUSE THEY'RE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THAN THE SOUTH.
>> YES, MA'AM. AND I'M GOING TO TRY TO PLAY THE WEST THIS WEEK. I HAVE A REALLY BUSY SCHEDULE.
>> BECAUSE WE CAN'T MAKE A DECISION JUST ON THE SOUTH.
>> THAT'S A VALID ARGUMENT, BUT RIGHT NOW THE PRODUCT THAT WE ARE OFFERING GOLFERS ARE 18 HOLES, THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH.
I'M SORRY, THE WEST AND THE SOUTH.
THE NORTH IS BEING RENOVATED. WEST AND THE SOUTH.
SO WE'RE ASKING PEOPLE TO PAY MONEY FOR NINE HOLES IN WHICH FOUR OF THE HOLES, IN MY ESTIMATION, ARE VERY SUBSTANDARD. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
I'M SORRY. I MEAN, THAT'S MY HONEST OPINION AS A GOLFER, AS A CONSUMER, AND AS BEING RESPONSIBLE TO THE TAXPAYERS WHO SUPPORT THE GOLF COURSE.
SO THOSE ARE ALL FACTORS THAT COME INTO THIS.
I'LL ANSWER EVERYONE'S QUESTIONS.
>> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO -- YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU LIKE.
>> THERE'S TWO ELEPHANTS IN THE ROOM.
ONE OF THE REASONS -- YOU TWO ARE THE PROS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG -- IS THAT THE REASON THAT THE GOLF COURSE -- THREE ELEPHANTS IN THE ROOM -- IS NOT PARTICULARLY GOOD IS BECAUSE OF SHADE AND THERE'S A LOT OF TREES.
AND IF YOU WANT TO STICK YOUR FINGER IN A LIGHT SOCKET IN FERNANDINA BEACH, START CUTTING DOWN TREES.
AND SO THAT IS A REAL ISSUE BECAUSE WITH SHADE YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GROW GRASS.
THAT'S NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, ONE OF THESE COURSES WAS BUILT IN '56. ONE WAS BUILT --
>> '59 AND '75. >> AND THERE'S BEEN NO MAJOR MONEY PUT INTO THE COURSES OVER THE YEARS.
THEY TOOK THE MONEY AND PUT IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AS IS THIS BUILDING, THE CENTER, THE MARINA.
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I COULD KEEP GOING. TE ACTUALLY ON MY PLATE UNTIL LAST WEEK, AS YOU POINTED OUT, WAS WAY DOWN THERE.SO AS TAXPAYERS AS YOU ALL ARE, THE OTHER ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IS HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU WANT TO SPEND ON THIS, HOW MUCH MONEY ARE YOU GOING TO SUBSIDIZE THIS. WE SUBSIDIZED THE MARINA, WE SUBSIDIZED PICKLEBALL, WE PROBABLY SPENT BETWEEN TWO AND THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS SUBSIDIZED THE CEMETERY A YEAR, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. ON IT GOES.
SO THE REAL QUESTION, THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION, IS HOW MUCH MONEY ARE YOU GOING TO PUT INTO THIS.
AND YOU CAN COME UP WITH ALL YOUR OTHER OPTIONS, BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE MONEY, IT'S JUST -- IT'S NOTHING.
YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A WAY TO PAY FOR THIS.
SO WHAT I NEED TO HEAR, OR WHAT I HAVE TO PRODUCE, IS NOT ONLY WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE BUT HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PAY FOR IT AND WHAT YOU EXPECT TO GET FOR THAT MONEY.
YEAH, YOU CAN PUT A LOT, A LOT OF MONEY INTO THAT GOLF COURSE AND GET A REALLY, REALLY NICE GOLF COURSE AND GET A REALLY GOOD GAME, BUT I DON'T THINK THE CITY HAS MONEY TO SUBSIDIZE THAT. AND REMEMBER, 39,000 ROUNDS OF GOLF AND I HAD NOT ONE COMPLAINT.
SO AT SOME POINT -- >> WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? THAT'S -- ROUNDS AND THERE WAS NO COMPLAINTS.
>> I MEAN, WHEN THERE'S TRASH ON THE BEACH, I GET AN EMAIL.
WHEN YOUR TRASH ISN'T PICKED UP IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE, I GET AN
EMAIL. >> WE DO AND I'VE A MEMBER OF THE WOMEN'S GOLF ASSOCIATION AND HAVE BEEN FOR 12 YEARS AND WE HAVE COMPLAINED AND COMPLAINED. NOT ONLY THAT, WE HAVE TAKEN THE INITIATIVE TO PAINT THE COURSE, JUST THE WOMEN'S GROUP.
WE COMPLAINED TO WHOEVER WAS THE GENERAL MANAGER AT THE TIME.
I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD GO DIRECTLY TO YOUR BOSS.
>> YOU SHOULD BECAUSE THE SQUEAKY WHEEL GETS THE GREASE.
BUT MY POINT IS 39,000 ROUNDS OF GOLF WERE PLAYED THERE SO THERE'S SOME VALUE. AND IT'S HOW MUCH MONEY YOU'RE WILLING TO SPEND. IT ALL BOILS DOWN TO MONEY.
>> THE MEMBERS THAT I REPRESENT AND HAVE BEEN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, WE THINK IT IS A [INDISCERNIBLE] AND NEEDS TO BE -- AND STEVE KNOWS THIS. WE TALK TO HIM EVERY DAY.
WE SEE HIM EVERY DAY. AND IT'S A JOB AND IT NEEDS POLICY AND WE NEED TO PUT THE MONEY IN IT.
AND IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT SUPPORT THAT.
AND MORE AND MORE ARE COMING TO THIS COUNTY AND THEY'RE GOING TO
BE LOOKING TO PLAY GOLF. >> I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
I'M JUST GOING TO COME BACK TO THERE'S A FINITE POT OF MONEY.
IF YOU TELL ME YOU'RE GOING TO PUT MONEY INTO THIS, THE NEXT QUESTION I'M GOING TO ASK YOU IS WHERE IS THAT MONEY GOING TO COME FROM, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE IT FROM, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT INFINITE MONEY. EVERY YEAR THERE'S A BUDGET.
THAT'S HOW MUCH MONEY IS IN THE POT.
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DIVIDE THAT UP? AND QUITE HONESTLY, RIGHT NOW, WITH ALL THESE CAPITAL NEEDS ACROSS THE CITY, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY.
I MEAN, I HAVEN'T FIGURED OUT, AND IT'S ONE OF MY GOALS IN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS IS TO COME UP WITH A REALISTIC FIVE-YEAR --
>> [INDISCERNIBLE] MR. MURPHY BECAUSE HE HAS BEEN OUR MAINSTAY THROUGH THIS WHOLE THING. HE'S THE ONE THAT KNOWS.
THE SUPERINTENDENTS ARE GOOD PEOPLE.
THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES.
>> I'M NOT DISPUTING THAT AT ALL.
>> YEAH. [INDISCERNIBLE] WHERE TO GET THE
MONEY AND -- >> THAT'S PART OF OUR JOB IS TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO GET THE MONEY, HOW TO GENERATE IT.
AND THAT'S -- BUT I THINK THE FIRST THING WE NEED TO FOCUS ON RIGHT NOW IS WE'VE GOT HOPEFULLY AN EXTRA 20 MINUTES IN THIS MEETING TO DISCUSS AND THEN ONE MORE MEETING AND WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE OPERATIONS OF THE GOLF COURSE AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON NOT -- WE'VE GOT TIME TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET THE MONEY.
LET'S SEE WHO'S GOING TO MANAGE IT FIRST AND THEN WE START
WORKING ON HOW WE GET THE MONEY. >> DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE
QUESTIONS? >> ANYTHING ELSE FOR MR. ROSS?
>> SHOULD WE HAVE A SEPARATE MEETING TO --
>> YEAH. >> WE REALLY -- WE HAD SOME MEETINGS OF THE GOLF COURSE. WE TOOK THE CITY COMMISSIONERS TO THE GOLF COURSE AND GAVE THEM A TOUR OF THE GOLF COURSE AND THE SUPERINTENDENT AT THE TIME EXPLAINED TO THEM HOW YOU GROW GRASS. AND IT WAS A WONDERFUL DAY.
IT EDUCATED THE COMMISSIONERS BECAUSE NOBODY KNEW.
BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GROW GRASS ON THE SOUTH, STEVE,
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UNLESS YOU TRIM TREES AND GET BETTER DIRT.>> YEAH. >> ANYWAY, I WOULD CALL FOR A SPECIAL MEETING BUT I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE --
>> WE'RE GOING TO GET TO ALL OF THAT AT THE END OF THE MEETING.
LET'S TRY TO FINISH UP PUBLIC COMMENTS SO WE CAN HAVE A FEW
MINUTES TO TALK. >> I DON'T PLAY GOLF.
I CAN BUT I'M NOT VERY GOOD. WE'RE IN A REAL DILEMMA AND WE'RE IN A DILEMMA BECAUSE THERE WAS AN EFFORT TO GO IN-HOUSE BASICALLY, WHICH WAS BY THE CITY COMMISSION.
THE REQUEST FOR EXTENSION FROM BILLY CASPER OR WHATEVER WE CALL HIM NOW, CAME IN THE 10TH OF JULY.
10TH OF JULY. AND THIS CAME UP UNTIL NOVEMBER.
SO THE RESULT OF THE COMMISSION IN DISCUSSIONS WITH INDIGO WAS THAT THEY WOULD DO A 60-DAY EXTENSION, WHICH WE'RE SORT OF LOCKED INTO, AND THE CITY COMMISSIONER'S POSITION, FROM MY POINT OF UNDERSTANDING, IS THAT HE IS WILLING TO NEGOTIATE WITH INDIGO. WELL, THAT'S PROBLEMATIC IN A LOT OF WAYS BECAUSE WHEN YOU REALLY LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE OF GOLF COURSE, AND ALTHOUGH I DON'T GOLF, I'VE DONE A LITTLE RESEARCH. AS WE ALL KNOW, MANY, MANY, TWO-THIRDS OF THE MUNICIPAL GOLF COURSES ARE LOSING MONEY.
SO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? I THINK THERE'S LOTS OF OPTIONS AND LOTS OF OPTIONS WELL BEYOND INDIGO OR IN-HOUSE.
THERE'S OPTIONS FOR HYBRID SYSTEMS. I THINK MIKE HAS COVERED THE FOUR DIFFERENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS. THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS.
I PUT A LITTLE TIME INTO A 2019 SEATTLE STUDY WHICH HAS I THINK 13 GOLF COURSES AND LOOKED AT THE OPTIONS.
ONE THING THAT SEATTLE DID, WHICH I BELIEVE AND I THINK SOME OF MY COMMISSIONERS AGREE WITH, IS THEY DEFINED THE GOLF COURSE AS A BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY. I PERSONALLY BELIEVE AND I SAID THIS AT THE COMMISSION MEETING THAT I THINK THE GOLF COURSE SHOULD NOT BE AN ENTERPRISE FUND, THAT IT SHOULD BE HANDLED LIKE THE OTHER RECREATION THING, WHICH MEANS THE GENERAL FUND WILL SUBSIDIZE TO A DEGREE. I ALSO BELIEVE AND SAID AT THE COMMISSION, WHICH OF THESE 18 HOLES, I WOULD TAKE NINE HOLES, PUT IT INTO A PAR, I WOULD BRING ALL OF THE CONSERVATION PEOPLE OR LAND TRUST, THE TREE GUYS, AND CHALLENGE THEM TO DO SOMETHING WITH THAT AND LEAVE IT BE AND START PLANTING TREES.
AND I REMEMBER WE HAD $100,000 DONATION TIED TO THE NORTH COUNTY LAND TRUST TO DO THAT FOR THE OUTDOOR EDUCATION CENTER TIED TO A LOT OF STUFF. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO WITH NINE HOLES. BUT WE NEED PROPOSALS LIKE TOPTRACER. TOPTRACER'S COMING IN.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MARKETING CLIMATE IS.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY KNOWS WHAT THE MARKETING CLIMATE IS.
WHEN I LOOKED AT THE BUDGET, THE BUDGET WORKED FROM THE ENTERPRISE FOR THE GOLF COURSE FOR THIS YEAR DOESN'T EVEN MENTION TOPTRACER. SOMETHING'S WRONG THERE IN THE WHOLE SYSTEM. CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN CHIP MENTIONED. IT'S ATROCIOUS FOR THIS CITY.
OUR BUILDINGS ARE FALLING DOWN BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN EFFECTIVE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
SO WHERE ARE WE GOING TO GET THE MONEY? THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDRESSED PROBABLY TUESDAY NIGHT AND FROM NOW ON BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH THINGS.
BUT WITH THE GOLF COURSE, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT ALL THE OPTIONS AVAILABLE. I DON'T THINK IT'S ONE OR THE OTHER. I THINK THAT'S A BIG MISTAKE.
IF WE HAD TO GO IN-HOUSE FOR A TEMPORARY PERIOD OF TIME TO GO OUT FOR AN EFFECTIVE RFP YOU MIGHT WANT TO SEPARATE -- AND YOU MENTIONED THE PREVIOUS MANAGER TEN YEARS AGO, HE MADE MONEY. THAT WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES.
I GUESS HE MADE TOO MUCH MONEY. AND I SAY THOSE PUBLICLY.
I THINK THE GOLF COURSE IS AN ASSET TO THE COMMUNITY.
I WOULDN'T CALL IT THE CROWN JEWEL.
I THINK THE BEACHES ARE THE CROWN JEWEL.
AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE THINK THE MARINA.
BUT IT IS AN ASSET. AND LOOK CLOSELY IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN SEATTLE AND THEIR MISSION OF THE GOLF COURSE.
13% OF THE PEOPLE THAT USE THE GOLF COURSE IN THIS CITY, THE BENEFITS TO THE GOLF COURSE. AND IT EVEN SHOWS WHAT THE OTHER RECREATION FACILITIES ARE SUBSIDIZED TO.
SO IT'S A VERY INTERESTING CURRENT REPORT.
>> MY NAME IS MIKE MEADOWS. I LIVE A 2601 VIA DEL REY.
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THE CITY COMMISSION DID A FABULOUS JOB FINDING A MANAGEMENT COMPANY TO THE MARINA.THEY TOOK A LOT OF TIME. THEY HAD PEOPLE IN HERE THAT GAVE PRESENTATIONS. WE WERE ACTUALLY 30 DAYS, 30 DAYS. WHY ARE WE TAKING AS MUCH TIME AS NECESSARY FOR THE CITY COMMISSIONERS, FOR YOU GUYS TO LOOK AND FIND A GOOD OPTION LIKE THEY DID FOR THE MARINA? THAT'S THE FIRST PLACE. SECOND QUESTION, A LOT OF PEOPLE KEEP ASKING, THE CITY TOOK THE ACREAGE FOR THE NEW PARK ON SIMMONS. THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.
SOME PEOPLE SAY IT'S $200,000. I'VE HEARD PEOPLE SAY IT'S $2 MILLION. IS THE CITY GOING TO REIMBURSE THE GOLF COURSE FOR THOSE SIX AND A HALF ACRES? THAT'S SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL NEED TO BE -- IS THERE AN ANSWER?
DO YOU KNOW THE ANSWER? >> NO, SIR.
>> DO ANY OF YOU KNOW? >> THE ANSWER IS NO.
>> THE THIRD QUESTION IS, WHY NOT? BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY. I HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ASK ME THAT, WE TALK ABOUT IT. SO I THINK Y'ALL NEED TO ASK ABOUT THAT. AND LIKE I SAID, WHY ARE WE TAKING AS MUCH TIME AS NECESSARY TO FIND THE MANAGEMENT TEAM TO
MANAGE THIS GOLF COURSE? >> THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS BECAUSE NO ONE -- BASICALLY EVERYONE DROPPED THE BALL AND DIDN'T PAY ATTENTION LIKE THEY WERE WITH THE MARINA AND WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE BUT TO RUSH THIS OPTION BECAUSE INDIGO IS -- THE CONTRACT'S UP, WHERE WITH THE MARINA IT'S BEEN ON EVERYBODY'S FOREFRONT FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS.
SO IT WAS RIGHT HERE EVERY DAY. THE GOLF COURSE WAS NOT AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT WITH IT NOW AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN COME UP WITH THE BEST SOLUTION AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE.
>> I WAS AT THE MEETING WHERE BILLY CASPER ATTENDED AND I DIDN'T HEAR THEM SAY THEY WOULDN'T DO IT.
THEY SAID THEY WANTED THE 30 -- >> THE 60 DAYS.
>> BUT WE BOILED THAT DOWN TO 30 DAYS AGAIN.
>> 30 DAYS TO FINALIZE AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE TIME TO WORK OUT
THE -- >> SO THERE'S GOT TO BE AN OPTION FOR THAT. THE CITY HAS TO TAKE IT UP AND RUN IT FOR SIX MONTHS THEMSELVES, THERE HAS TO BE -- IF YOU MAKE THE DECISION IN 30 DAYS ABOUT THIS GOLF COURSE --
>> I DON'T THINK WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO MAKE -- WE'RE MAKING A DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO ASK INDIGO FOR ANOTHER EXTENSION AND OUR CONTRACT WITH INDIGO AND FIND A FILL GAP AND THEN MAKE A LONG-TERM DECISION IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO
MAKE IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS. >> YEAH.
>> IS THE WAY I FEEL WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
IF I'M WRONG, SOMEONE CORRECT ME.
>> PLENTY OF TIME TO LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS, HOWEVER IT'S DONE. AND LIKE I SAID, THE OTHER QUESTION IS, AND SO MANY PEOPLE ARE ASKING THE QUESTION, IF YOU TAKE SIX AND A HALF ACRES FROM THE GOLF COURSE, WHY ISN'T IT AT LEAST ON PAPER, WHY ISN'T THAT PUT BACK INTO THE FUND? THANK Y'ALL FOR DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
STEVE, I HATE TO HEAR THAT. IT MAKES ME WANT TO CRY.
ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENT? ALL RIGHT.
WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. NOW THAT OUR TIME IS LIMITED, I
GUESS [INDISCERNIBLE]. >> THERE'S TWO THINGS THAT I
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THINK ARE [INDISCERNIBLE] ON HERE IS THE FINANCIALS, NOT NECESSARILY GOING OVER THE FINANCIALS BUT WHAT FORMAT DO YOU WANT THOSE IN GOING FORWARD. WE'VE USED PRIOR [INDISCERNIBLE] AND ALSO WHAT THE GREENS AND OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE [INDISCERNIBLE]. I MYSELF THINK IT'S ANTIQUATED.I CAN PASS THAT ALONG TO THE NEXT PERSON AND EVEN FORMAT IT
[INDISCERNIBLE]. >> I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE A DETAILED LINE ITEM P&L WITH WHERE THE REVENUE COMES FROM. SO BASICALLY INCOME, OUTCOME, NET, WHATEVER AT THE BOTTOM LINE BROKEN DOWN.
WE CAN DO IT WHERE IT'S CLUBHOUSE, ROUNDS, AND --
>> IT'S ON THE SAME REPORT BROKEN DOWN ALREADY.
>> IT POPULATES LIKE THAT, OKAY. >> IT COMES OUT FIRST AS ROUND, REVENUES, COST OF GOODS, LABOR, AND EXPENSE BY DEPARTMENT.
>> OKAY. IS EVERYONE FAMILIAR WITH LOOKING AT IT LIKE A BUSINESS P&L AND KNOW HOW TO UNDERSTAND
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IT AND HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT COMING THAT WAY?I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE DETAILED AND WE CAN LOOK AT IT AS A BUSINESS, WHICH IS WHAT IT IS.
THIS BASICALLY JUST TELLS ME HOW MANY PEOPLE PLAYED AND HOW MUCH
MONEY THEY MADE. >> ALSO ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT SAME P&L WILL GIVE YOU LAST YEAR, THE RIGHT SIDE WILL GIVE YOU YEAR-TO-DATE VERSUS LAST YEAR.
>> OKAY. >> I AGREE THAT THIS IS KIND OF -- I'LL TELL YOU WHEN IT WAS DONE, 1995, BECAUSE I WORKED IN THE OFFICE AT THAT TIME. IT'S THE SAME THING.
>> IT'S ONE, TWO, THREE-ISH. >> YEAH, OKAY.
YOU SAID YOU HAD TWO THINGS. >> THE OTHER ONE IS ANY OTHER INFORMATION THAT YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
NOW, NEXT MEETING YOU'LL GET INDIGO'S COMPLETE MARKETING PLAN [INDISCERNIBLE] BUT ESPECIALLY FROM TOPTRACER.
I BELIEVE IT'S A FIVE-PAGE BOOKLET THAT THEY'VE GOT GOING.
AND YOU'LL GET THAT IN THE PACKET FOR THE NEXT MEETING AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON WITH THAT.
IF I CAN GET IT TO YOU SOONER, I WILL, BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW,
THAT'S WHAT IT'S LOOKING FOR. >> WHEN ARE THEY PROJECTING TOPTRACER TO BE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC?
>> THE INSTALLATION CURRENTLY IS SCHEDULED FOR JANUARY 18TH.
>> SO WE'RE TALKING MIDDLE OF YEAR PROBABLY?
>> NO. INSTALLATION TAKE FIVE DAYS.
AND THEN WE'LL ACTUALLY OPEN IT UP FOR FREE BECAUSE THE CAMERAS AND COMPUTERS HAVE TO CALIBRATE AND CAN ONLY CALIBRATE WITH PEOPLE HITTING. THE FIRST COUPLE OF DAYS WILL BE INVITATION ONLY FOR DIGNITARIES AND BUSINESS OWNERS AND THEN RESERVATIONS ONLY FOR MEMBERSHIPS, FOR THE MEMBERS, AND THE LAST DAY WILL BE RESERVATIONS FOR THE GENERAL
WHEN IS YOUR LAST DAY? MY LAST DAY IS DECEMBER 20TH.
>> WHO WILL BE TAKING YOUR PLACE IN THAT INTERIM?
>> INDIGO WILL HAVE TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THEIR REGIONAL MANAGEMENT TEAM WILL OR THEY'LL HAVE SOMEBODY FROM ANOTHER GOLF COURSE WORKING TWO
PROPERTIES. >> WHEN DID YOU SEND YOUR
AND THE REASON WHY I PICKED THE 20TH, BECAUSE IT'S THE END OF A PAY CYCLE SO IT MAKES EVERYTHING EASIER.
>> IT DOES. [INDISCERNIBLE] ON PAPER.
>> THAT WAY I CAN MAKE SURE EVERYBODY GETS PAID BY FINISHING THE PAYROLL BEFORE I LEAVE SO THEY WON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT
THAT UNTIL THE NEXT CYCLE. >> OKAY.
SINCE WE'RE ALL BASICALLY OUT OF TIME, DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING PERTINENT THEY WANT TO DISCUSS REAL QUICK RIGHT NOW? IF NOT, I WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO SET A SPECIAL MEETING TWO WEEKS
FROM NOW. >> I WON'T BE HERE BUT --
>> I'M OUT OF TOWN. >> I'M OUT OF TOWN.
>> UNTIL THE 7TH. IT'S THE HOLIDAYS.
>> OH, IT IS THE HOLIDAYS TWO WEEKS FROM NOW.
WHAT ABOUT THE LAST WEEK OF DECEMBER? IS EVERYBODY IN TOWN FOR THAT? YOU'RE GONE STILL?
>> YEP. >> AND OUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING
>> 13TH? >> WHAT ABOUT NEXT WEDNESDAY?
>> I'M GOOD. I DON'T LEAVE UNTIL THURSDAY.
>> I'M SORRY, I WON'T BE HERE. >> STOP TRAVELING SO MUCH.
>> I HAVEN'T BEEN ANYWHERE. >> I HAVE.
>> A WEEK AND A HALF OR IS THAT TOO SOON, DO YOU THINK?
BEFORE YOU LEAVE. >> I'M LEAVING PROBABLY EITHER
MONDAY OR TUESDAY. >> OKAY, SO, YEAH.
>> CAN'T DO IT BEFORE THEN? >> NO, BECAUSE WE NEED AT LEAST
FIVE DAYS TO PUBLISH THE AGENDA. >> RIGHT, RIGHT.
AND I'LL BE BACK JANUARY 5TH. SO YOU CAN -- I MEAN, YOU'LL
HAVE A QUORUM WITHOUT ME. >> ARE YOU GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE
THAT YOU CAN FACETIME IN? >> I CAN ZOOM IN, I CAN DO
WHATEVER YOU NEED TO DO. >> DOES THE 16TH WORK FOR
EVERYBODY ELSE? >> I CAN DO IT.
>> ALL RIGHT. WE'LL SET IT FOR THE 16TH AT
9:00 AM HERE TO FIGURE OUT -- >> I'LL MAKE SURE THE ROOM IS AVAILABLE. I'LL GET BACK TO YOU ALL THIS
AFTERNOON. >> AND DO WE HAVE TO DO IT HERE? CAN WE DO IT AT THE GOLF COURSE? NOW IT'S BACK HERE? OKAY. TENTATIVELY WE'LL DO IT FOR THE 16TH AT 9:00 AM. UNLESS YOU GUYS WANT TO ADD ANYTHING, FOR ME THAT'S AN HOUR OF DISCUSSION BETWEEN US AND THE
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GOLF PROFESSIONALS ON WHEN IS THE THREE-STAGE PLAN FOR THE MANAGEMENT OF THE GOLF COURSE, TRY TO CREATE A PROS AND CONS LIST OF THE OPTIONS GIVEN TO US, AND THEN WHEN IS THE COMMISSION MEETING WITH THE END OF THE BILLY CASPER DECISION?>> FEBRUARY 4TH. >> OKAY, ALL RIGHT.
SO WE'LL USE THAT SPECIAL MEETING NEXT WEEK TO KIND OF PUT IT TOGETHER AND THEN WE CAN REDISCUSS IT AT OUR JANUARY
MEETING BEFORE IT GOES TO -- >> I THINK THAT MEETING MAY
HAPPEN BEFORE THEN. >> WHAT'S THAT?
>> THERE MAY BE A DECISION MADE BEFORE THEN DEPENDING ON WHAT
BILLY CASPER COMES BACK. >> THEIR MEETING WITH --
>> I WOULD ALMOST SUGGEST NEXT WEEK YOU GUYS SET AS A BOARD
YOUR GUIDANCE AND DIRECTION. >> OKAY.
>> AND THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY MATTER UNDER DISCUSSION THAT DAY ANYWAYS. SO I WOULD TRY TO HASH
EVERYTHING OUT BY THEN. >> OKAY.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE WILL DO. ANYTHING ELSE?
>> I WOULD LIKE TO ASK A QUESTION.
>> YES, SIR. >> JUST TO CLARIFY, WHO'S GOING TO BE THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE? YOU ARE, OKAY. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT THAT
WAS A -- THANK YOU. >> YES, SIR.
OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE FROM ANYONE ELSE? ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT, WE WILL ADJOURN.
>> MOTION TO ADJOURN. >> MOTION TO ADJOURN, I'M SORRY.
>> SECOND. >> ALL
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