[1. CALL TO ORDER / ROLL CALL / DETERMINATION OF A QUORUM]
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FORSTROM. IN THE DECEMBER 3RD, 2020 CODE ENFORCEMENT APPEALS BOARD HEARING.
[2. APPROVAL OF MINUTES]
>> DID EVERYONE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ THE MINUTES
FROM THE LAST MEETING? >> YES, SIR.
>> I DID. NO ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS?
>> NO, SIR. AND LIKE TO THANK THE PEOPLE WHO PUT THE MINUTES TOGETHER. IT'S WELL DONE.
>> THAT WAS ME. >> REMEMBER SOMEBODY ELSE HAS THE TRANSCRIPT OF EXACTLY WHAT WAS SAID.
WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT AT SOME POINT.
ACCEPT A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES.
UNANIMOUSLY ACCEPTED. ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE
4.3 WE WILL TAKE THAT OFF THE AGENDA.
[3. OLD BUSINESS]
4.3. >> UNDER OLD BUSINESS, I E-MAILED BOTH TAMMY AND MICHELLE ABOUT A CASE THAT WAS APPEALED TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR REDUCTION IN FINES.
I WILL HOLD THAT UNTIL THE END. BECAUSE WE STARTED LATER.
AND THAT'S THE RAINY PROCEEDING. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT THEN.
THE FIRST CASE IS PATRICIA KFRJT AND WILLIAM R.GASS JR., 810
[4.1 PATRICIA K. & WILLIAM R. GASS, JR., 801 WHITE STREET, CASE 2019-0122. Violation(s) of the City of Fernandina Beach Code of Ordinances exist: Section 42-117 - Exterior Structure - Maintenance. Requesting Board determination of the case.]
WHITE STREET. CASE 2019-0122.VIOLATIONS OF THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH CODE OF ORDINANCES. 42-117 EXTERIOR STRUCTURE.
ARE THERE ANY PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO TESTIFY IN THAT
PROCEEDING? >> COULD THE RECORDING SECRETARY
OR CLERK ADMINISTER THE OATH. >> MR. CHAIR, AT WHAT POINT WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO EXPLAIN THE PROCEDURE.
>> I WAS GOING TO DO THAT NEXT. >> SWEAR THEM IN.
RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY IN EVIDENCE YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE AND PRESENT THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.
>> YES. >> SLIGHTLY OUT OF ORDER.
THIS IS QUASI JUDICIAL PROCEEDING.
WE WILL EXPLAIN THE PROCEEDING FOR THOSE THAT PARTICIPATE.
I'M GOING TO EXPLAIN FOR ALL CASES.
THE GASS KNOW WHAT QUASI-JUDICIAL PROCEDURES HER COMMISSIONER GASS WAS THE CHAIR OF BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT FOR MANY YEARS. WE HAVE QUASI-JUDICIAL ALL OF THE CASES WE WILL HEAR TONIGHT ARE GOING TO BE CONDUCTED AS QUASI-JUDICIAL HEARINGS. WHAT THAT MEANS, FIRST, MR. WELLS IS CITY STAFF IS GOING TO MAKE A PRESENTATION AND INTRODUCE EVIDENCE INTO THE RECORD.
FOR VERBAL TESTIMONY AND PHOTOGRAPHS.
HE MAY CALL ANY WITNESSES HE WISHES TO.
I DON'T SEE ANY WITNESSES HERE. BUT IF HE WAS TO CALL ANY WITNE WITNESS, HE CAN DO THAT.
THEN THE RESPONDENT IN THE FIRST CASE THAT WILL BE MR. AND MISS GASS OR MAYBE JUST MRS. GS. SHE WILL COME UP AND PROVIDE TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE. THEY ARE DOING THAT UNDER OATH.
THEY JUST TOOK AN OATH. AND OFFICER WELLS TOOK AN OLD FOR ALL OF THE CASES THAT WILL COME BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
THEIR TESTIMONY AND EVIDENCE IS BEING RECORDED BY THE REPORTING SECRETARY. AND OF COURSE WE'LL HAVE MINUTES AFTER THE MEETING. IF THERE ARE ANY WITNESSES, YOU CAN CALL WITNESSES BOTH RESPONDENTS AND STAFF AS I SAID STAFF HAS NO WITNESSES. ANYBODY TO SPEAK TONIGHT WOULD BE SWORN IN. EVEN IF THEY COME IN LATE.
WE'LL SWEAR THEM IN. AND IF THERE'S AN APPEAL THAT'S GOING TO BE TAKEN ANY OF THE DECISIONS MADE TONIGHT BY THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD THAT APPEAL HAS TO BE FILED WITH THE CIRCUIT COURT WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE WRITTEN FINDING OF FACT.
CHAIR KAUFFMAN SIGNS THOSE WITHIN 3-5 BUSINESS DAYS OVER THE MEETING. IT'S ABOUT 35 CALENDAR DAYS THE
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APPEAL PERIOD AFTER THAT. THERE'S NO CHANCE TO APPEAL THE BOARD'S DECISION. TONIGHT YOU ALL ARE MAKING THE DECISION BASED UPON THE EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU. THERE WILL BE OPINIONS THAT ARE GIVEN THAT WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED EXPERT OPINIONS BECAUSE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GIVING THOSE OPINIONS ARE RESIDENTS OF OUR CITY AND THEY HAVE OPINIONS.BUT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY UNLESS THEY SAY THAT THEY HAVE QUALIFICATIONS AS AN EXPERT. THEY ARE NOT EXPERT.
YOU WILLWAY THAT OPINION ACCORDINGLY.
EXPERT OPINION YOU SHOULD GIVE GREATER WEIGHT THAN A LAYPERSON'S OPINIONS. BOY, THAT LOOKS REALLY BAD.
THAT'S NOT AN EXPERT. THAT'S A LAY OPINION.
YOU WEIGH THAT ACCORDINGLY. PURSUANT TO THE CHAPTER 162 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTE, THAT'S WHAT WE FIND WHAT WE CALL THE CRITERIA FOR MAKING YOUR DECISION FOR WEIGHING THE EVIDENCE AND THE CREDIBILITY OF THE EVIDENCE AND THAT IS HOW YOU DECIDE WHETHER THERE'S A VIOLATION AND REALLY MORE IMPORTANTLY UNDER THOSE CRITERIA WHAT FINE YOU MAY ASSESS IF THERE'S A VIOLATION. MAKE SURE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN YOU ARE SETTING FINES. THE GRAVITY FOR EXAMPLE, GRAVITY OF THE VIOLATION IS ONE OF THE THINGS YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU DECIDE TO ASSESS A FINE.
AND YOU'LL SEE TONIGHT THAT WE HAVE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS AND THAT EVIDENCE WILL BE PRESENTED TO YOU IF IT'S NOT DONE ALL 32 THE VERBAL TESTIMONY OF MR. WALLS OR OFFICER WALLS YOU MAY FIND THAT IN YOUR STAFF REPORT.
PLEASE MAKE AND PAY ATTENTION TO WHETHER OR NOT PROPER NOTICE WAS RECEIVED BY THE RESPONDENT PROPERTY OWNER, AND HOW THAT NOTICES RECEIVED. AND WHEN IT WAS RECEIVED.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
>> OKAY. BEFORE WE PROCEED WITH THE CITY'S CASE, ON THIS MATTER, OR ANY OTHER MATTER ON THE AGENDA HAS THE BOARD ANY EX-PARTA CONVERSATIONS
>> NO. MR. WELLS, FOR THE CITY.
GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS. IT'S A PLEASURE TO HAVE THE BOARD TO NIGHT. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU ZMCHLT I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT THE EVIDENCE INTO THE CASE INTO RECORD FOR CASE 2019-0122. THAT'S THE ENTIRE PACKET OF MATERIALS. WITH THAT NOTE WE WILL ACCEPT THE EVIDENCE INTO THE RECORD. MISS GASS AFTER OFFICER WELLS MAKES HIS PRESENTATION, IF YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THE DOCUMENTS THAT HE WILL SHOW PLEASE FEEL FREE TO TELL HIM.
>> THIS IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.
IT SAYS THE HOST HAS DISABLED THE SCREEN SHARE.
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>> THIS IS JUST VERY SLOW. I MEAN SLOW IT'S SLOW.
THEY ARE TRYING TO COME UP ONLINE.
ON MARCH 20TH, 2019, WE RECEIVED A COMPLAINT ABOUT SOME NONCONFORMING MATERIALS BEING USED FOR -- CAN YOU ALL HEAR ME
>> WE RECEIVED A COMPLAINT ABOUT NONCONFORMING MATERIAL BEING USED FOR MATERIALS ON THE REAR SIDING OF THE HOUSE 801 WHITE STREET. MICHELLE FORSTROM AND MYSELF WE VISITED THIS RESIDENT AND WE SPOKE WITH MISS GASS ABOUT THE NONCONFORMING MATERIALS THAT WERE USED.
AS WE WALKED AROUND THE HOUSE I NOTICED OTHER VIOLATIONS THAT WE BROUGHT TO HER ATTENTION FOR CORRECTION.
WE ADVISED THE OWNER SHE NEEDED TO COA ALONG WITH REQUIRED BUILDING PERMITS AND WE REPORTED PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE VIOLATIONS.
I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS IS NOT COMING IN.
ANYWAY, WE GAVE MISS GAA30 DAYS ON APRIL 22ND I CAME BACK AND FORMED A SECOND INSPECTION AND THE PROPERTY WAS STILL IN VIOLATION FROM THE ORIGINAL CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD WITH MISS GASS. ON APRIL 25TH, WE MAILED A CERTIFIED NOTICE OF THE VIOLATION NOTICE FOR HEARING LETTER TO MISS GASS. GIVING HER UNTIL MAY 27TH 2019 TO COMPLY. SIGN AND RETURNED RECEIPT WAS RECEIVED WITH THE OWNER SIGNATURE VERIFYING PROPERTY SERVICE. MAY 28TH.
2019 NOTICE OF VIOLATION OF INSPECTION WAS PERFORMED IN THE VIOLATIONS STILL EXISTED. MAY 28TH, 2019OWNER APPLIED FOR AND ISSUED A COA BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT FOR THE REPAIRS TO BE MADE TO THE STRUCTURE WITH APPROVED MATERIALS AND COVERING.
THE COA APPROVAL EXPIRE DATE WAS 5-27-2020.
THESE PHOTOGRAPHS HERE ARE FROM TODAY.
THERE WAS VIOLATIONS OF THE GARAGE.
THEY TOOK CARE OF ALL THE VIOLATIONS OF THE GARAGE.
I DON'T SEE HOW WE CAN GET BACK HERE.
>> THE LAG ON IT SO FAR BEHIND TOO.
>> ANYWAY, LIKE I SAID ON MAY 28TH.
THEY APPLIED FOR COA. ON SEPTEMBER 2ND, 2020 WHICH IS ALMOST A YEAR LATER, YOU KNOW EVEN THOUGH COA ISSUED FOR A YEAR, THAT REALLY DOES NOT GIVE THEM A YEAR TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE AS FAR AS THEIR CODE CASE.
IF THERE WAS NO CODE CASE, COA WOULD LAST A YEAR LONG BUT IF THERE WAS A CODE CASE INVOLVED, NORMALLY THE MOST TIME WE CAN GIVE GIVEN INTERVAL IS 30 DAYS. DUE TO COVID AND OTHER THING.
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VERY LENGTHY TIME PASSED ON THIS CASE.SO IT WASN'T UNTIL SEPTEMBER 2ND OF 2020 THAT WE EVENTUALLY CAUGHT BACK UP AND DID A FIELD INSPECTION ON THIS PROPERTY TO CHECK THE STATUS OF IT. THE CASE WAS STILL IN VIOLATION OF 42-117. SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2020.
WE SENT OUT A SECOND NOTICE OF VIOLATION.
NOTICE OF HEARING LETTER WHICH WE MAILED TO THE OWNER.
GIVING HIM 30 DAYS TO COMPLY. TO CORRECT THE VIOLATION OF 42-117. WE RECEIVED A SIGNED RETURNED RECEIPT SHOWING WE HAD PROPER SERVICE.
NOW THE COA HAD EXPIRED. MISS GASS REAPPLIED FOR SECOND COA AND IT WAS APPROVED AND EXPIRED 9-16-2021.
OCTOBER 12TH, WE DID THE SECOND NOTICE OF VIOLATION INSPECTION; THE VIOLATIONS ARE STILL PRESENT.
I DID A PREAGENDA INSPECTION ON NOVEMBER 24TH, 2020, AND THE VIOLATION 42-117 WERE RECORDED. IF WE CAN GET THE PHOTOGRAPHS TO COME DOWN, I WILL SHOW YOU THE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THEM.
>> IN THE INTERIM WHILE WE'RE WORKING ON THE SCREEN, CAN YOU JUST ARTICULATE WHAT REMAINS IN VIOLATION OF 43-117.
>> ON THE REAR OF THE HOUSE. THE ENTIRE REAR OF THE HOUSE NEEDS TO BE PAINTED. A LOT OF PAINT MISSING.
THIS IS -- WE WILL -- THEY ARE CODE ENFORCEMENT IN THE PICTURES. ANYWAY, THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AND THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE IS MISSING A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF PAINT. IT NEEDS TO BE SPRAYED, SEALED AND PAINTED. THE RIGHT SIDE AND THE RIGHT REAR. THE PATIO THE ROOF OVER THE REAR PATIO HAS GOT SEVERAL HOLES WHERE THE SHEATHING IS ROTTEN AND THERE'S HOLES THROUGH THE ROOF.
THEY HAVE CORRECTED SOME ROTTEN WOOD ON THE GARAGE.
AND THEY FIXED THAT AND PAINTED IT.
THERE WAS SOME DAMAGE ON THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
THEY FIXED THAT. IT WAS A SOFFET MISSING ON THE FRONT WHICH IS STILL MISSING. THE BULK OF IT IS THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE ENTIRELY THE RIGHT REAR OF THE HOUSE AND THE PORCH, THE REAR PORCH ROOF IS THE MAJORITY OF THE VIOLATION.
>> ANY OF THOSE REPAIRS REQUIRE HBC APPROVAL?
>> YES. THEY NEED A COA FOR APPROVAL FOR
MATERIALS AND ALSO FOR PAINT. >> ANOTHER ONE?
THEY GOT APPROVAL FOR THEIR PAINT AND MATERIALS.
BUT I THOUGHT YOUR QUESTION WAS THAT DO THEY -- DOES THE REPAIRS NEED TO BE MADE DO THAT REQUIRE COA?
>> AND THEY DO. CHIP, WHAT WAS THE ADDRESS?
>> 801 WHITE STREET. LOOK UNDER CASES.
2020 CASES. IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE MINE IS UP.
THEY ARE NOT SHOWING. IS THAT YOU.
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ARE YOU DOING THAT? >> THIS IS THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE. THIS IS RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE PAINT IS MISSING.
WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE SEALED, PRIMED AND PAINTED.
THAT'S THE RIGHT SIDE. KEEP GOING.
THIS IS FRONT OF THE HOUSE WHERE THEY REPLACED FACIA WHICH IS COMP COMPLETE THEY HAVE DONE THAT.
KEEP GOING. THIS THE VINYL SIDING THAT GOT BLOWN OUT FROM ONE OF THE STORM. THEY PAINTED THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE AND DID A FEW REPAIRS. THAT'S DONE.
THIS IS BACK OF THE HOUSE. THIS IS THE BACK OF THE HOUSE.
THIS WAS -- THIS NONCONFIRMING WOOD IN QUESTION TO BEGIN WITH.
IT'S HARD TO SEE THROUGH THE FENCE.
BUT MISS GASS TOLD ME THAT THEY HAVE APPROVED THAT MATERIAL.
BUT IT STILL NEEDS TO BE SCRAPED, SEALED AND PAINTED, THE ENTIRE REAR. THIS IS THE SECTION OF THE ROOF ON THE RIGHT REAR PORCH. IST -- I WAS GOING TO TAKE OTHER PHOTOGRAPHS. MISS GASS WASN'T HOME SO I COULDN'T TRESPASS HER PROPERTY. THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER HOLES JUST LIKE THIS. THIS IS MORE PEELING PAINT UNDER THE REAR S SOFFIT. THIS CASE HAS GONE ON FOR QUITE A LONG TIME. I KNOW THAT THIS THE FINANCIAL HARTSHIP FOR ANYBODY. I UNDERSTAND THAT.
BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME TYPE OF PROGRESS AT SOME POINT.
THEY HAVE DONE SOME REPAIRS. BUT IN MY EYES IT'S JUST NOT ENOUGH. IN MY OPINION.
>> DOES THE CITY RECOMMENDATION. MAKE A MOTION TO BE MADE FINAL PROPERTY VIOLATION OF 42-117 EXTERIOR STRUCTURE MAINTENANCE.
GIVING THE RESPONDENT 30 ADDITIONAL DAYS TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE. BY 1-3-2021.
SY RECOMMEND A MOTION ALL ADMINISTRATION FEE BE PAID BY RESPOND AND FINE OF $50 A DAY BEGIN ON 1-4-2021.
IF NOT IN COMPLIANT ALONG WITH LIEN ON 2-4-2021.
>> MISS GASS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
>> WHAT DID YOU MENTION ABOUT OCTOBER OF THIS YEAR?
>> A SECOND -- >> OCTOBER 12TH WE DID SECOND NOTICE OF VIOLATION INSPECTION. THE SECOND NOTICE OF VIOLATION LETTER. IT GIVES A TIME FRAME TO COME
INTO COMPLIANCE BY. >> YOU SENT US A LETTER.
>> NO, YOU DID NOT. >> IN THE -- IN YOUR AGENDA
PACKET WE DO HAVE A SIGNED -- >> FROM OCTOBER?
>> SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER? >> YES, MA'AM.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE. >> CAN YOU SHOW MISS GASS.
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>> THAT'S SEPTEMBER. >> WHERE IS THE ONE FROM
OCTOBER? >> THAT'S THE ONE MAILED.
>> YOU SAID THERE WAS ONE IN OCTOBER.
>> THAT'S WHEN THE INSPECTION WAS DONE.
>> IF YOU ARE GOING TO SPEAK, NEXT TIME YOU HAVE TO COME TO
MIC. >> SHE ASKED ME A QUESTION
ABOUT -- >> MY CONCERN ABOUT A SECOND LETTER. I RECEIVED ONE IN SEPTEMBER.
THAT'S WHEN I TOOK CARE OF EVERYTHING.
I WAS QUESTIONED WHETHER THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE IN OCTOBER.
SECOND LETTER SENT OUT SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2020.
>> THE INSPECTION THE SECOND NOTICE OF VIOLATION INSPECTION WAS DONE ON OCTOBER 12TH. IT WAS JUST THE INSPECTION.
>> THE PACKET THIS IS THE SIGNED RECEIPT THAT SHE SIGNED FOR THE
WE'RE IN AGREEMENT ABOUT THAT. >> YES.
>> MEMBERS OF THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. WELLS?
>> YES. >> WHEN WE STARTED THIS, YOU INDICATED THAT THIS IS ALL -- IT'S ABOUT A NONCOME -- NONCONFORMING MATERIALS. WHAT SPECIFIC WAS THE NONCONFORMING MATERIALS. THE BOARD ON THE BACK OF THE HOUSE THEY WERE DEEMED TO BE NOT THE APPROPRIATE MATERIAL.
THAT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THAT TIME FRAME OF THAT HOUSE.
REGULAR WOOD MATERIAL. CORRECT.
>> OKAY. >> AND YOU MENTIONED THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS NOW APPROVED?
>> MISS GASS SAID HE HAS APPROVED THAT.
WITH STANDING THAT THE PROPERTY IS STILL IN VIOLATION.
BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE SEALED, SCRAPED AND PAINTED.
THE ROOFING ISSUES AND THEN THE PAINTING ISSUES.
>> OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THIS
BOARD? >> I CAN'T SEE THE PEOPLE AT HOME. DOES ANYONE HAVE A QUESTION?
>> NO QUESTIONS. ANY OTHER MEMBERS HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS FROM MR. WELLS? >> DO THE MEMBERS HAVE ANY OTHER
OKAY, MISS GASS DO YOU HAVE ANY STATEMENT YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE
801 WHITE STREET OLD TOWN. AND, YES WE MOST CERTAINLY ARE OUT OF COMPLIANCE. QUITE OBVIOUSLY.
THIS ALL STARTED IN MARCH OF 2019 BECAUSE A NEIGHBOR DECIDED THAT WE HAD NONCOMPLYING MATERIALS.
WHAT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WE HAVE OLD SIDING.
WE HAVE NEW SIDING. WE HAVE HARDY BOARD SIDING.
WE HAVE AN OLD HOUSE ON THE BOTTOM AND A NEW HOUSE ON THE TOP AND GARAGE. WE HAVE ONE OF THE MOST ECLECTIC HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SAL AND I DISCUSSED THAT.
-- THAT'S SAL WITH THE CITY. ILY IN AREA OF OLDTOWN THAT HAS JIM WALTERS HOME, A NEW HOME, AN OLD HOME, NO HOME.
I LIVER IN ECLECTIC CORNER OF TOLD TOWN.
BUT ANYWAY, YES, IN FACT WE ARE OUT OF COMPLIANCE.
PART OF THE PROBLEM HERE IS A LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WAS GOING ON. WHEN CODE ENFORCEMENT CAME TO MY HOUSE IN MARCH, TOLD ME I WAS OUT OF COMPLIANCE, I COULDN'T BELIEVE IT. SO I TOOK THEM AROUND TO THE BACK AND SHOWED THEM YOU KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.
AND THEN I WALKED THEM AROUND THE HOUSE.
AND SAID, WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS TO DO HERE.
LIGHT THE FIRE UNDER MY HUSBAND. TRYING TO GET THIS DONE.
HE'S THE HANDY MAN. HE DOES IT WHEN THE MOOD STRIKES AND HE'S TALENTED. AND I'VE GOT THIS.
AND WE NEED THIS. WE'VE GOT THAT.
WE NEED TO FIX THAT. WHAT A FOOL WAS I.
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BECAUSE 30 DAYS LATER I GET THE LETTER SAYING THAT NOW THIS LITTLE VISIT ABOUT COMPLYING MATERIAL HAS BLOWN UP INTO THIS CASE. SO I WENT TO TALK TO MICHELLE AND FOUND OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON. SAID OKAY.STILL DIDN'T KNOW I HAD -- DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.
WE GO ALONG AND THEN IN SEPTEMBER, WHEN I GET THE LETTER, AGAIN I'M FLABBERGASTED. I GO BACK DOWN TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. I WENT TO CITY HALL.
REAPPLIED FOR THE COA THINKING THAT TOOK CARE OF THE PROBLEMS, THE ISSUES, BECAUSE IN THE MEAN TIME WE HAVE PAINTED THE ENTIRE GARAGE. WE PLACED ALL THE ROTTEN WOOD.
MY HUSBAND HAS MADE NINE BRAND-NEW SCREENS, WE HAVE 12 MORE TO GO. THAT'S COST OF ABOUT $500 SO FAR. REPLACE THE SOFFIT ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. DID THE FASCIA BOARD.
DID I LEAVE ANYTHING OUT THERE? >> THAT'S ABOUT IT FOR RIGHT NOW. ALL OF THIS COST MONEY.
AND WE REALLY LIKE TO PAY AS WE GO.
AND WE PROBABLY GOT $1500 TO $2,000 INVESTED IN THIS AS WE GO ALONG WITH EVERY HOUSEHOLD EXPENSES.
WE NOW HAVE A BID THAT WILL COST US $2,000 TO PAINT THE EAST SIDE AND THE NORTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE. THAT'S JUST THE LABOR.
THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER $500 IN MATERIALS.
PAINTS AND SUCH. THEY TOO WILL FIX THE SOFFIT.
THE BACK PORCH, WHEN WE NOTICED THAT THE WOOD WAS STARTING TO DUST. WE STARTED LOOKING AT IT CLOSE.
THAT WAS TWO YEARS AGO. SO WE WENT AND GOT WE MADE ARRANGEMENTS AND HAD THE ENTIRE HOUSE TENTED BECAUSE IT WAS TERMITES. IN THE MEAN TIME, SINCE WE HAVEN'T REPLACED ANYTHING OR DID ANYTHING.
THE PART TERMITES HAS GOTTEN WET.
THE SHINGLES ARE STILL THERE. IT'S NOT PRETTY.
IT'S NOT FUN TO LIVE WITH. BUT YOU DO WHAT YOU CAN DO FIRST THINGS FIRST. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WILL COST US TO FIX. I THINK WE MAY HAVE TO HIRE A CONTRACTOR AND GET A BUILDING PERMIT AND GO THE WHOLE NINE YARDS FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
IN ESSENCE THE WHOLE PROBLEM IS LACK OF UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THE PROCESS WORKS AND A TIME FRAME. LACK OF FUNDS TO GET THE PROJECT FINISHED IN THAT TIME FRAME. IT IS NOT DUE TO NEGLECT OR DESIRE TO NOT DO IT. WE WANT TO DO IT.
WE ARE JUST TRYING TO PAY AS WE GO.
AND MY HUSBAND TRYING TO DO AS MUCH AS HE CAN AND HAVE 40-HOUR A WEEK JOB. THERE WE ARE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS >> IS THERE A REALISTIC TIME
LINE TO COMPLETE IT? >> YOUR BEST GUESS?
>> IF IT WAS JUST PAINTING, I WOULD SAY SURE WE COULD GET IT DONE IN MONTH. SINCE WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THE ROOF, AND MY HUSBAND WORKS AT CATHOLIC CHURCH.
THEY JUST GOT A BUILDING PERMIT PERMISSION OR WHATEVER TO CHANGE OUT AIR CONDITIONER. AND THAT TOOK SIX WEEKS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE TO GET A PERMIT TO REPLACE THE ROOF ON THE BACK PORCH. I WOULD AS MUCH TIME AS YOU GIVE ME. SIX MONTHS A YEAR.
WE'RE WORKING ON IT. WE'RE TRYING NOT TO GO IN DEBT
AS WE DO SO. >> DEBT IS NOT THE BEST THING.
>> ANY OTHER? >> MISS GASS; WHEN DID YOU START
MAKING THE REPAIRS? >> 46 YEARS AGO WHEN WE MOVED
IN. >> I WILL STAY OUT OF THAT.
>> AFTER YOU NOTIFIED BY THE CODE ENFORCEMENT, WHEN DID YOU
IT TOOK ME A LITTLE BIT TO GET THAT FIRE LIT.
I GUESS WE GOT REALLY GOING WHEN WE GOT CERTIFIED LETTER.
WHEN WE REALIZED THAT THIS WAS NOW A BIG DEAL.
>> WHEN EXACTLY WAS THAT? >> SEPTEMBER.
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WHEN DID WE GET THE FIRST CERTIFIED LETTER?>> THAT'S WHEN WE BEGAN. WE'VE BEEN MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION. JUST NOT AT A FAST ENOUGH PACE EVIDENTLY. BUT WE'RE NOT IN DEBT BECAUSE OF THIS SO FAR. WE MAY BE GETTING READY TO GO
INTO DEBT. >> THE CITY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS
OF MISS GASS? >> ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY
QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE A QUESTION.
>> BACK TO THE NONCONFORMITY ISSUE.
>> OKAY. >> IS THERE ANY CONFORMITY
ISSUES THAT ARE STILL OUT THERE? >> NO.
I HAVE -- AS FAR AS MATERIALS ARE CONCERNED?
>> ALL OF THE MATERIALS ARE GOOD THE GO.
>> INCLUDING THE BACK PORCH ROOF?
OR THE SOFFIT >> THAT SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM.
THAT WILL BE ROOF. THE BACK PORCH WILL LOOK LIKE
THANK YOU. KNOW ADDITIONAL COA WOULD BE
>> ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU MISS GASS.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> THAT CONCLUDES THE HEARING.
BOARD MEMBERS WHAT IS YOUR WILL? >> THERE'S A COUPLE OF GUIDELINES. I FEEL THAT, THAT PUTS A HIGHER PRIORITY TO ME. HOWEVER, THE NONCONFORMITY ISSUE, THIS IS HISTORICAL SOCIETY ISSUE NOT REALLY A STRUCTURAL ISSUE OR SAFETY ISSUE.
THAT BRINGS IT DOWN THE LIST FOR ME A LITTLE BIT.
MISS GASS, SHE DIDN'T REALLY GIVE YOU A GOOD ANSWER OR DIDN'T GIVE YOU A SPECIFIC ANSWER. I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE IF I HAD A SPECIFIC ANSWER ON THAT. BECAUSE I DON'T THINK I HAVE A PROBLEM PUSHING THE HISTORICAL ISSUE WHEN SOMEONE IS TRYING TO COMPLY. IT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR FAIRLY GOOD TIME. THEY HAVE DONE CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF WORK. BECAUSE THERE WAS CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT NEEDED O BE DONE WITH TO BEGIN.
THAT'S THE WAY IT IS WHEN YOU HAVE AN OLD HOUSE.
THOSE ARE MY FEELINGS ON IT. >> ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS HAVE
>> YES. >> IS THIS REALISTIC -- MISS GASS IS THIS REALISTIC? WELL I DON'T HAVE A REALISTIC TIME FRAME. BECAUSE AGAIN I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GET A PERMIT. FIND A CONTRACTOR, GET ONE THAT'S NOT BUSY. THAT'S WHY I LIKE TO HAVE SIX MONTHS OR YEAR. BUT I WILL TAKE WHAT I CAN GET.
THE PAINTING SHOULDN'T TAKE MORE THAN A MONTH WEATHER PERMITTING.
THE BACK PORCH WILL BE THE PROBLEM.
THAT'S THE ONLY REAL PROBLEM AREA LEFT THAT TO ME IS GREAT UNKNOWN. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT WILL COST. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG LIT TAKE.
I REALLY DON'T KNOW ANY OF THOSE ANSWERS.
>> CURRENTLY IT'S AT LEAST 4-6 WEEKS FOR BUILDING PERMIT.
>> WE UNDERSTAND THIS VERY WELL. AND THEN THERE'S FINDING THE CONTRACTOR AND GETTING ON THE SCHEDULE.
AND YOU'RE SURE THIS IS NOT GOING TO REQUIRE HEC APPROVAL
FOR THE BACK PORCH? >> I DON'T THINK IT WILL.
IT'S JUST GOING TO REPLACE WHAT IS THERE.
WHAT IS THERE IS OKAY. >> I ASKED THE QUESTION --
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>> EVEN THOUGH IT'S THE SAME MATERIAL.
WE NEED TO GO A MONTH INTO THAT. >> I THINK THEY CAN MODIFY THE
COA THAT SHE APPLIED FOR? >> IF THEY HAVE APPEAR BEFORE HBC YOU HAVE TO GET ON THE AGENDA.
AND THAT YOU KNOW, THINK OF AT LEAST TWO MEETINGS TO DO THAT.
HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT. >> COULD WE SET DIFFERENT DEADLINES FOR THE DIFFERENT ITEMS.
>> RECOGNIZING THE PAINTING CAN COVERED AND IT'S A LESSER TASK.
AS WE RECOGNIZE MANY OF THESE THINGS DESPITE OUR BEST INTENTIONS TAKE LONGER FOR THE CONTRACTORS AND OTHERS.
IN WHICH CASE IF NOT MET BY A CERTAIN DEADLINE, THEN WE WOULD LOOK AT FINES FOR THAT. AND ALLOW THE POSSIBILITY OF POTENTIALLY REHEARING THIS CASE FOR THE ROOF AS WE GET MORE INFORMATION FROM THE LDC IF NEEDED.
>> THAT'S POSSIBLE. >> MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAD MY HAND
>> MR. BOYD. >> THE ORIGINAL VIOLATION WAS THE MATERIAL WAS NOT APPROVED. THEY WERE USING AS REPLACEMENT
>> IT TALK ABOUT EXTERIOR SERVICE.
>> THE MATERIAL THEY WERE USING THAT WAS COMPLIANCE MATERIAL THEY USE. THE HOUSE NOT PAINTED.
THAT MATERIAL WAS APPROVED. OKAY.
AND THAT PERMIT, THAT PERMIT EXPIRED IN 5-27 OF 20.
OKAY. AND TODAY THERE'S A NEW PERMIT UNTIL 9-16-21. THAT'S THE DEADLINE FOR DOING THE WORK. ON 9-16 OF 21 SHE CAN APPLY FOR ANOTHER PERMIT. NO DIFFERENT THAN NEW CONSTRUCTION PERMIT. IT HAD A DEADLINE CERTAIN NUMBER OF DAYS THAT PERMIT IS GOOD FOR. YOU CAN GO AND REAPPLY THAT PERMIT. THE PERMIT REINSTATED.
ANOTHER ADDITIONAL DAY TO COMPLETE THE WORK.
THIS IS NO DIFFERENT THAN THAT. THE MATERIAL IS BROUGHT IN M COMR COMROOINS -- IN COMPLIANCE AND BEEN APPROVED. THAT'S THE ORIGINAL COMPLAINT.
SHE'S IN COMPLIANCE THAT PERMIT SHE HAS.
SHE CAN CONTINUE TO AS LONG AS SHE WANTS TO.
THERE'S NOTHING SAYING SHE CAN'T TAKE FOREVER TO DO IT AS LONG AS
SHE HAS PERMIT TO DO IT. >> ACTUALLY THERE'S NO TIME FRAME ON WHAT ALLOWS YOU TO DO THE WORK.
>> IF YOU LOOK AT THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION MR. BOYD, IN THE PACKET, IT WAS REPLACE ALL RODDEN WOOD ON FASCIA, SOFFI, OTHER AREAS SCRAPE AND SEAL PAINT.
MORE THAN NONCONFORMING. >> REPLACING SIDING DOESN'T
REQUIRE A BUILDING PERMIT. >> ON THE PROPERTY ALL THAT'S REQUIRED HISTORIC DISTRIBUTE TO APPROVE THE MATERIALS.
>> THERE'S NO SET TIME FRAME FOR DOING THE WORK.
>> CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD IS DIFFERENT.
IT'S NOT CONTROLLED BY THE PERMIT.
IT'S CONTROLLED BY WHETHER THE PROPERTY IN VIOLATION OR NOT AND HOW LONG WE ALLOW IT TO REMAIN IN VIOLATION.
>> CORRECT. IT'S ALREADY BEEN ALMOST A 1 1/2. A 1 1/2.
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF MY COCHAIR'S IDEA?
>> THE ORIGINAL QUESTION YOU WANT THE SIDING WASN'T APPROVED
>> THAT WAS THE COMPLAINT. ORIGINAL VIOLATION WAS ALL THE THINGS THAT ADAM SAID. ROTTEN WOOD, FASCIA, SOFFIT.
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WINDOW TRIM. >> WHERE IS THERE A TIME FRAME FOR THAT TO BE COMPLETED. THAT'S THE QUESTION RIGHT NOW.
>> THE FIRST TIME THE TIME FRAME BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE BY MAY 27TH. THAT'S IN THE FIRST NOTICE OF
>> IT WAS NOT BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE BY MAY 27TH, 2019.
>> WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE COCHAIR'S SUGGESTION THAT THERE
ARE SERIES OF DEADLINES? >> YES, MA'AM.
>> I THINK THE SUGGESTION THAT I HAD.
>> I'M CAUGHT UP NOT TO WORRY ABOUT THE TIME FRAME AS I AM THE PERMITTING PROCESS. PERMITTING IS MOST IMPORTANT AND YOU KNOW IT'S IF YOU PERMIT TO DO THE WORK, YOU HAVE THAT TIME PERIOD AS LONG AS THAT PERMIT IS IN EFFECT.
>> YOU COULD KEEP GETTING A PERMIT AND NEVER DO THE WORK.
AND IT WOULD REMAIN IN VIOLATION OF THE CODE.
>> DOES THE CODE SAY YOU HAVE TEN DAYS TO PAINT YOUR HOUSE?
>> NO. BUT THE -- AS I UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE AT THIS POINT, IT'S BEEN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME FOR A SERIES OF VIOLATIONS OF 41-117. WHICH INCLUDE THE ROTTEN WOOD, SOFFI. REAR DECKING.
IT'S A WHOLE SERIES OF THINGS. COCHAIR OF -- AND YOU'RE CORRECT MR. BOYD ASSUMING THERE'S NO HDC REQUIREMENT, THE PERMIT GOOD UNTIL SEPTEMBER OF 2021. THEY DON'T NEED A NEW PERMIT TO GET IT DONE. THE QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD BELIEVE IS A REASONABLE TIME FOR THIS PROPERTY TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE AND THERE WAS A SUGGESTION THAT IT MAY BE A SERIES OF DEADLINES TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE IF HOMEOWNER. IS THAT CORRECT?
>> YES. >> THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT.
>> I'M IN FAVOR OF 9-16-21. >> SOMEONE CLOSE TO YOU ON THE
SCREEN IS SHAKING THEIR HEAD. >> I THINK THAT'S TOO LONG.
FOR SOME OF THE ITEMS. IT'S ALREADY BEEN SINCE APRIL 2019. OR LONGER.
>> I MEAN AND SO THE QUESTION COCHAIR IS, DO WE SEPARATE SOME OF THE THINGS OUT. PAINTING, REPAIRS, AS OPPOSED TO REDOING THE WHOLE BACK PORCH. THAT'S THE -- PROBABLY THE BIGGER AND MORE PROBLEMATIC AS HOMEOWNER PROJECT WILL BE
REDOING THE BACK PORCH. >> YES.
>> I THINK MEMBER THOMPSON HAD A COMMENT.
>> YES. ONE OF THE REASONS I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT WHEN DID YOU START DOING THE WORK YOU SAID IT WAS 4-19. IT APPEARS TO ME THERE WAS PROBABLY SOME MISCOMMUNICATIONS SOMETIMES YOU WERE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE. BUT ONCE YOU GOT THAT COMMUNICATION FROM THE CITY, THAT'S WHEN YOU START TAKING THINGS SERIOUSLY. AND YOU START MAKING REPAIRS.
YOU HAVE MADE STRIDES THE HOUSE AND IT CAN BE CHALLENGING THING TO KEEP UP. YOU'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK FROM WHAT I CAN SEE. THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE. I LIKE THE IDEA OF COMING FROM THE COCHAIRMAN THAT KIND OF KEEPS THE FIRE UNDER YOU ALL TO CONTINUE TO WORK AND SO THIS CAN COME OUT TO GOOD END FOR EVERYONE. IF YOU LOOK FOR SUGGESTION.
I WOULD LOVE A MONTH TO GET THE PAINTING DONE.
MAKING ROOM FOR WEATHER. >> THEN MAYBE SIX MONTHS TO GET THE PORCH DONE. BECAUSE I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT I'M GETTING INTO FINANCIALLY HDC AND BUILDING PERMIT.
>> MR. WALLS DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT?
>> AS FAR AS THE TIME FRAME? >> YES?
>> DO WE NEED TO GET YOU TO COME TO THE MIC FOR THE OBSERVERS.
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YOU KNOW OUR MAIN GOAL IS COMPLIANCE.THAT'S OUR MAIN THING. >> IS THE CITY WELLING TO ACCEPT
MONTHS FOR PAINTING. >> SIX MONTHS.
>> I HAVE NO PROBLEM FOR A MONTH.
THEY MORE THAN FAIR. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT SIX MONTHS ON THE ROOF. MAYBE SOMETHING 3-4 MONTHS,
>> JUST FOR THE BOARD THAT POINT.
>> CAN I CLARIFY SOMETHING, CHAIR.
>> MR. BOYD WAS REFERRING TO THE COA.
THE COA IF YOU COME TO HDC FOR COA, LET'S JUST SAY YOU ARE COMING TO DO SOME WORK. AND YOU GET A CERTIFICATE OF APPROVAL FOR SOMETHING TO BE DONE.
THAT GIVES YOU THE APPROVAL FOR A YEAR TO DO THAT.
WHEN THERE'S A CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE INVOLVED THEN THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALL GAME. BECAUSE AT THAT POINT, YOU'RE ON A TIME FRAME BECAUSE THE CODE ENFORCEMENT LIKE THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION LETTER GIVES YOU A TIME FRAME AND YOU HAVE TO BE IN COMPLIANCE. THAT YEAR THAT BEGIN FOR COA, HAS NO BARING ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT TIME FRAME.
>> POINT WELL TAKEN. IN OTHER WORDS YOU ARE SAYING THE PROPERTY HISTORIC DISTRICT IS LOOKING TO CHANGE ITS CONFIGURATION GET APPROVAL BY HDC.
HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT IS OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH 42-117.
THAT'S A DIFFERENT TIME LINE ENTIRELY.
>> I THINK WE'RE DONE THAT POINT.
WHAT IS THE WILL OF THE BOARD? >> I PROPOSE TIERED TIME LINES FOR THE DIFFERENT TASKS. AND SO --
>> WHAT TIERS? >> I HEAR THE MONTH.
AND MY SUGGESTION IS GIVEN WEATHER VARIATION I WOULD NOT WAIT UNTIL THE END. THERE ARE CLEARLY OTHER FACTORS THAT PLAY HERE. IF THE HOMEOWNERS ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE MONTH I'M FINE WITH ONE MONTH FOR SCRAPING AND PAINTING. THE CONCERNS I HAVE ARE THE HOLES AND SOFFITS WHICH NEED TO BE DONE BY SOMEONE ELSE WHICH COULD REQUIRE A PERMIT. HIRING A CONTRACTOR.
GETTING THE CONTRACTOR TO GET MATERIALS, AND COMPLETE THE WORK. AND WHILE I HEARD THE CITY'S SUGGESTION HAVING JUST GONE THROUGH CONSTRUCTION.
IT WAS 15 TIMES LONGER THAN I WAS QUOTED.
I DON'T KNOW THAT FOUR MONTHS IS A REALISTIC TIME LINE.
IF A CONTRACTOR PERMIT ARE NEEDED FOR THIS TASK.
AND SO I WOULD LIKE PROPOSE THE POSSIBILITY OF DEFERRING FOR REHEARING IF THE HOMEOWNERS AND THE CITY WERE WILLING AS WE AN UPDATE ON PERMIT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT CONTINUES TO MOVE FORWARD OR WE WOULD THEN TAKE -- OR WE SET A DATE.
>> THE OTHER THING WE CAN DO IN TIER TWO.
IT'S ONE MONTH FOR PAINTING AND TIER TWO CONSTRUCTION.
WHETHER IT'S FOUR MONTHS OR NOT WE CAN GIVE THEM BACK.
THAT CASE CAN ALWAYS COME BACK TO THE BOARD.
I WOULD RATHER HAVE DEFINITIVE DEADLINE THAN JUST SAY TRUST ME, I'M A GOOD HOMEOWNER. I SEE ONE HEAD SHAKING.
ANY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THAT.
>> MISS CROWE? >> THE SHAKING HEADS.
I AGREE WITH YOU. I HESITATE AS I ALWAYS DID TO GIVE SPECIFIC DEADLINES FOR SPECIFIC ITEMS BECAUSE THEN IT IS ON US. TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. I WOULD RATHER HAVE SHORTER DEADLINE IF EVERYONE AGREES TO THAT ON PAINTING.
AND LATER DEADLINE WHATEVER THE BOARD DECIDES FOR EVERYTHING
>> IF WE LEAVE SOMETHING OUT OR SAY SOMETHING CONFUSING OR DIFFERENT. SOMEONE CAN SAY YOU DIDN'T TELL
ME DO THAT. >> THAT'S NOT OUR JOB TO TELL
PEOPLE WITH SPECIFICITY. >> YOU SUGGEST ONE MONTH FOR
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PAINTING. AND TOTALLY IN COMPLIANCE BYDATE CERTAIN. >> IT WOULD BE MORE COMFORTABLE THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT DATE IS.
I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE SEPTEMBER OF 2021.
I SHOULDN'T BE ONE MONTH OBVIOUSLY.
>> THERE'S FIVE MONTHS FROM TODAY IS MAY.
SIX MONTHS IS JUNE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
>> DO YOU WANT TO COMMENT? >> I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ANYTHING SUGGESTED HERE. I WOULD POINT OUT THE TIME OF THE YEAR IT IS. AND THE WEATHER.
ONE MONTH ON THE PAINTING YOU MAY WANT TO GO LONGER OR IT WILL
COME BACK TO US. >> WHAT DOES THAT COVER?
>> MR. BIRD SAID THIS THE CHRISTMAS.
THIS THE DECEMBER 1ST. SIX WEEKS PUTS INTO JANUARY 15
OR THEREABOUTS. >> I PROPOSE TWO MONTHS.
>> I HEAR TWO MONTHS. IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO TWO
OKAY AND THEN THE SECOND IS -- >> I PROPOSE FIVE MONTHS FOR FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING IF PERMIT DELAYS LDC ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR ANY REASON ARE NEEDED YOU CAN COME BACK AND WE WOULD REHEAR THIS CASE.
>> I'M OKAY WITH THE TIME FRAME. I THINK WE NEED TO FIND THE
PROPERTY IN VIOLATION FIRST. >> IF WE SAY FIND THE PROPERTY IN VIOLATION. WE CAN DO THAT IN TWO MOTIONS.
WE NORMALLY DO IT AND COME BACK WITH THE COMPLIANCE PIECE.
AND YOU WOULD SUGGEST WHILE WE THINK ABOUT THAT IS AFTER TWO MONTHS FOR PAINTING, THERE WOULD BE A FINE BEGINNING ON A DATE CERTAIN AND IF IT'S NOT TOTALLY IN COMPLIANCE AFTER FIVE MONTHS.
THEY WILL APPLY ON A DATE CERTAIN; RIGHT?
>> I WILL ENTERTAIN THE MOTION. >> MY QUESTION IS TO THE CITY IN TERMS OF DEFINING A PAYMENT TIME LINE FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEES, BECAUSE TYPICALLY DON'T WAIVE THOSE IN THE VIOLATION WOULD BE THE ASSESSMENT OF THE FEES, AND WE WOULD THEN DEFINE A DATE FOR LIKE FINES TO ADHERE IF THEY DIDN'T COME INTO FURTHER COMPLIANCE. GIVEN THEY ARE WORKING TO PAY FOR THESE REPAIRS AS WELL, COULD WE DO A LONGER TIME FRAME FOR PAYMENT OF ADMINISTRATIVE FEES WHICH I SEE TO BE $319.20.
>> WE CAN DO ANYTHING WE WANT ON THE PAYMENT.
>> MISS FOR SYM -- FORSTROM, CO I ASK YOU TO SPEAK TO THIS
MATTER? >> MISS FORSTROM, CAN YOU HEAR
>> THANK YOU FOR NODDING BUT YOU ARE STILL ON MUTE.
AFTER THREE MONTHS WE ARE -- LET ME THINK ABOUT.
AFTER THREE MONTHS OF NOT PAYING THE LIEN GO INTO FORECLOSURE.
YOU SET THAT. I WOULDN'T DO IT PAST A YEAR.
WE CAN DO A PAYMENT PLAN. I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO PAYMENT PLANS. WE CAN SET A DATE CERTAIN FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEES. WHICH COULD BE ON OR BEFORE A CERTAIN DATE. AND WOULD YOU WORK WITH THAT?
>> IF IT'S TWO MONTHS FOR PAINTINGS FINES BEGIN ON DATE CERTAIN, FIVE MONTHS FOR COMPLETION, FULL COMPLIANCE ON A DATE CERTAIN AND THEN THE THIRD PIECE OF THAT WOULD BE PAYMENT OF ADMINISTRATIVE FEES BY A DATE CERTAIN.
IT'S $300. WE'RE TALKING ABILITY MORE
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EXPENSES THAN THAT HERE. AND WE WILL NOT WAIVE THEADMINISTRATIVE FEES. >> IF THIS CASE CONTINUES THOUGH
ADMINISTRATIVE FEES WILL GO UP. >> THAT'S UNDERSTOOD.
>> OKAY. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT
>> I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO --
>> ONE MORE QUESTION. >> TO THE GASS'S.
ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH FIVE MONTHS.
>> HOW MUCH WILL THAT MAKE ADMINISTRATIVE FEES? THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING BETWEEN NOW AND THEN THEY STAY THE SAME. IF IT'S NOT IN COMPLIANCE AFTER THAT, THEY WILL BE MORE ADMINISTRATIVE FEES.
>> OKAY. EVERY TIME WE HAVE TO GO OUT TO DO AN INSPECTION. ALL OF OUR TIME WE HAVE TO PUT TOWARD THE CASE. IT WILL NOT GO UP SUBSTANTIALLY AT ALL. NOT SAYING THAT.
EVEN IF THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE, WE HAVE TO GO CONFIRM THAT.
IN THEORY THERE'S AT LEAST TWO VISITS.
>> AT LEAST. AND THEN WHATEVER PREPARATIONS TO BRING IT BACK BEFORE YOU, ET CETERA.
>> OKAY. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A
THOUSAND DOLLARS. >> LET'S SEE IF WE CAN DO THIS SOME DISPATCH. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO FINE THE PROPERTY AND HOMEOWNERS OUT OF COMPLIANCE AT 42-117.
SOMEONE WANT TO MAKE THAT MOTION.
>> SO MOVED. >> MOVED BY COMMISSIONER CROWE.
SECONDED BY THE COCHAIR. COURT, CALL THE ROLL.
>> NOW I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION THAT WILL FOR THE PROPERTY AT 801 WHITE STREET. I DO THIS WITHOUT THE COMPUTER.
SHALL COME INTO COMPLIANCE TWO MONTHS -- ON FEBRUARY 1ST, WITH REGARD TO ALL REQUIRED PAINTING. I MAKE THE MOTION.
>> I HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD AND THAT ALL OF OTHER COMPLIANCE ISSUE SHALL BE ACCOMPLISHED BY OR BEFORE -- WHAT DID WE SAY
FIVE MONTHS? >> TAKES US TO MAY 1.
AND FURTHER THAT ADMINISTRATIVE FEES -- IF ANY OF THOSE CASES OF IF PROPERTY NOT COMPLIANCE EITHER FOR PAINTING OR THE TOTALITY, IT BEGINS $50 A DAY ON FEBRUARY 1ST FOR PAINTING.
AND $50 A DAY FOR MAY ON MAY 1ST FOR FULL COMPLIANCE.
AND THEN ADMINISTRATIVE FEES BE PAID ON OR BEFORE MAY 1ST.
THAT'S THE END OF THE PERIOD. >> I WOULD PROPOSE A LATER DATE FOR ADMINISTRATIVE FEES TO BE PAID, BECAUSE THE CITY WOULD ALSO NEED TO ASSESS THE COST. I WOULD PROPOSE EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAID BUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEES BE PAY JULY 1ST.
>> I MAKE THAT MOTION. I COULDN'T REPEAT IT.
BUT I MAKE THE MOTION. >> DOES THE CLERK SORT OF HAVE WHAT THAT SAYS CAN. CHANGE THE FEE TO JULY 1.
FULL COMPLIANCE BY MAY 1. FINES BY JULY 1.
EITHER OF THOSE TIERS WAS NOT ACCEPTED ADDITIONAL FINES WOULD START $50 A DAY FOR EACH OF THOSE -- THEN WE'RE ADDING ADDITIONAL FEES. BECAUSE THIS WAS ONLY $50 A DAY.
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I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE ADDING FOR EACH -->> NOT IF IT COME -- IF THE PAINTING COMES INTO COMPLIANCE WE'RE NOT ADDING; RIGHT. 82
>> THIS WOULD BE TRUE. WITH WE DO $50 IF NOT IN
COMPLIANCE CAPPING AT $50 A DAY. >> YOU SAY IF IT'S SERIAL IT
WON'T BE 100. >> I'M SAYING THAT.
THAT WAS ALSO NOT WHAT THE SUGGEST SUGGESTED.
THEY JUST SUGGESTED FINE OF $50 A DAY.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD INCREASE THAT.
>> I THINK IF IT'S JUST BY THE WORD SERIAL SHOULD BE SERIAL IT SHOULD BE MORE. ONLY BECAUSE IT'S BEEN GOING ON SO LONG. THAT'S WHY I'M STRUGGLING.
>> LET'S ASSUME THIS. LET'S ASSUME THE PROPERTY OWNER ARE ACTING IN GOOD FAITH IN WON THE MONTHS IT GETS PAINTED.
THE $50 GOES AWAY AT THAT POINT. >>
>> CORRECT. >> WE'LL BE TALKING LATER IN THE MEETING ABOUT OTHER AVENUES THAT HOMEOWNERS HAVE.
SO WHY DON'T MAKE $50. AND ADMINISTRATIVE FEES ON JULY 1. AND IF YOU COULD READ IT BACK SO
I UNDERSTAND MY OWN BABBLE. >> I SUMMARIZED WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. SUMMARIZE IS GOOD.
>> PROPERTY SHALL FEBRUARY 1ST. 2021.
ALL OTHER HITCH YOU SHALL BE RECEIVED BY MAY 1ST.
2021. ED A ED A MINUTE TRAYSIVE FEE
$50 STARTING ON FEBRUARY 1ST. >> JULY 1ST.
>> ADMINISTRATIVE FEE PAID ON JULY 1ST.
PAINTING AND COMPLIANCE ON FEBRUARY 1.
ALL OTHER COMPLIANCE ISSUES COMPLETED ON OR BEFORE MAY 1.
AND ADMINISTRATIVE FEES PAID ON OR BEFORE JULY 1.
>> CORRECT. >> THAT'S THE MOTION MADE.
>> WILL THE CLERICAL THE ROLL.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO DEPEND ON WHAT YOU JUST HEARD FROM ME.
I WAS A CITY COMMISSIONER. I'M NOT IGNORANT.
SHOCKED TO FIND OUT ABOUT THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEES.
MY SUGGESTION AND REQUEST IS THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC WHEN THESE THINGS HAPPEN TO THEM. WHEN THEY GET THEIR WARNINGS AND SUCH, THAT IT'S EXPLAINED IN GREATER DETAIL IN THE LETTER OR PERSON. PREFERABLY IN A LETTER.
EXPLAINING THE PROCESS. I REALLY THOUGHT WE WERE GO TO GO WITH THE COA. SOME OF US STILL BELIEVE THAT.
BUT IT'S A GRAVE MISUNDERSTANDING HOW THE PROCESS WORK AND HOW MANY DAYS YOU HAVE AND WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DON'T AND THE COST INVOLVED AND ALL OF THAT.
IF I AM -- HAVE BEEN THERE AND SEEING THE CITY IN OPERATION FROM BEHIND SCENES I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EVERY DAY PUBLIC IS GOING -- HOW THEY FEEL WHEN THEY COME AGAINST THEM.
THAT'S JUST MY SUGGESTION. THANK YOU.
[4.2 SHEILA HILL, 1316 BEECH STREET, CASE 2020-0004. Violation(s) of the City of Fernandina Beach Code of Ordinances exist: Section 42-117 - Exterior Structure - Maintenance. Requesting Board determination of the case.]
NEXT CASE SHEILA HILL 1316BEECH STREET.CASE NUMBER 2020-0004. VIOLATION FERNANDINA BEACH CODE
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OF ORDINANCE AGAIN 42-117 EXTERIOR STRUCTURE REQUESTINGBOARD DETERMINATION. >> ARE YOU MISS HILL?
>> I AM. >> JUST ASKING THE QUESTION.
>> MR. WELLS WILL MAKE HIS CASE. YOU WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK MR. WELLS QUESTIONS. THEN YOU WILL HAVE THE BOARD CAN ASK MR. WELLS QUESTIONS. THEN YOU CAN COME UP AND MAKE ANY STATEMENT. WE MIGHT ASK YOU QUESTIONS.
AND THEN WE'LL TRY TO MAKE A DETERMINATION.
>> WAS SHE SWORN IN? >> YES, WE SWORE EVERYONE IN.
>> WHY DON'T WE SWEAR YOU IN. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.
>> YES. >> MY ERROR MISS HILL.
THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT INTOERS RECORD ALL OF OUR EVIDENCE AS FAR AS PHOTOS, DOCUMENTS, FOR CASE 2020-0004. 1316BEECH STREET FOR MISS SHEILA
HILL. >> DO YOU I HAVE ANY OBJECTION
>> NO. >> HAVE YOU SEEN ANY OF THE
>> OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT MR. -- >> YES.
ADMITTED INTO EVIDENCE. NO OBJECTION.
>> THANK YOU. JANUARY 6TH, 2020 WE RECEIVED A COMPLAINT ABOUT THE EXTERIOR CONDITION OF THE HOUSE AT 1316 BEECH STREET. WE OBSERVED NUMBS VIOLATION ON EXTERIOR. WE GAVE THE OWNER 30 DAYS TO CORRECT THE VIOLATIONS. I PHOTOGRAPHED THE NOTICE OF VISIT AND THE VIOLATIONS. 30 DAYS LATER ON FEBRUARY 6TH, A SECOND INSPECTION PERFORMED AND THE PROPERTIES IN VIOLATION.
WE WILL GO BACK AND I WILL GO THROUGH THE PICTURES.
MARCH 6TH, A THIRD INSPECTION WAS PERFORMED AND THE PROPERTY STILL IN VIOLATION. OCTOBER 7TH, OF COURSE YOU KNOW THIS WAS ALL DURING COVID AND ALL THAT.
WE KIND OF SUSPENDED ENFORCEMENT ON A LOT OF THE CASES AND WE PICKED THEM BACK UP AT LATER DATE.
OCTOBER 7TH COMPLIANCE INSPECTION WAS PERFORMED TO CHECK THE STATUS. THE PROPERTY WAS STILL IN VIOLATION. OCTOBER 8 #TH WE MAILED OUT A CERTIFIED NOTICE OF VIOLATION NOTICE OF HEARING LETTER TO OWNER. GIVING THE OWNER UNTIL NOVEMBER 8TH 2020 TO COMPLY. WE RECEIVED THE RETURN RECEIPT RETURN SIGNED RECEIPT FROM UNCERTIFIED LETTER BY THE OWNER.
BACK FROM HER. WE HAVE PROPER SERVICE.
OCTOBER 9TH WE PERFORMED NOTICE OF VIOLATION INSPECTION.
THE PROPERTY STILL IN VIOLATION. ON NOVEMBER 24TH PREAGENDA INSPECTION WAS PERFORMED SHOWING STILL IN VIOLATION OF 42-117.
AND WE RECORDED PHOTOGRAPHS THAT DAY.
THE CONCLUSION IS THE OWNER SHE'S MAKING SOME PROGRESS BUT IT'S NOT CONSISTENT PROGRESS. SHE WILL DO A LITTLE BIT AND THEN STOP FOR QUITE A BIT OF TIME.
AND THEN SHE WILL DO A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND IT'S JUST NOT MOVING ALONG AT A PROGRESSIVE PACE WE LIKE TO SEE. WE LIKE TO SEE STEADY PROGRESS AS LONG AS WE SEE STEADY PROGRESS, WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH ANY RESIDENT. WHEN WE SEE WORK STOP FOR SUBSTANTIAL PERIOD OF TIME, THEN WE DECIDE THAT WE HAVE TO GO ON
WITH FURTHER ENFORCEMENT. >> OKAY.
THIS IS THE WINDOW BROKEN IN THE FRONT.
ALL OF THE TRASH IN THE BACKYARD WRITTEN UP ON NOTIFICATION.
THIS DOESN'T APPLY TO THIS. BUT LET ME POINT OUT SOME THINGS. SOME OF THE MISSING ITEMS ON THE
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HOUSE. HERE.SOME OF THE AT FAULT CHANNELS ARE MISSING ON THE EXTERIOR SIDE. WHEN WE CAME TO STRUCTURE.
THERE WAS TARPS ON THE ROOF. SHE HAS TAKEN THE TARP OFF.
SHE MADE SOME REPAIRS TO THE ROOF.
THIS WAS ORIGINAL WINDOW BROKEN. NEXT ONE PLEASE.
THIS FRONT PORCH DEMOED AND REMOVED.
AND SHE HAS PULLED THE PERMIT FOR THIS.
BUT IT'S BEEN LIKE FOR QUITE SOMETIME.
IN THIS SAME CONDITION. GO TO THE NEXT ONE.
THIS IS MORE ROTTEN WOOD AND ASPHALT.
THE SIDING IS MISSING. ANOTHER SHOT AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. WHERE YOU ENTER INTO THE HOME.
MORE ASPHALT ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
MORE AT FAULT SHINGLES MISSING. YOU REALLY CAN'T SEE IT THERE'S MORE ASPHALT MISSING ON THE LEFT SIDE.
>> I BELIEVE THAT'S IT. >> WHAT WE ORIGINALLY CITED THE HOUSE FOR REPAIR AND REPLACE THE ROOF.
REPLACE THE MISSING ASPHALT. SIDING SHINGLES REPLACE ALL ROTTEN WOOD TRIM ON EXTERIOR OF STRUCTURE.
REPLACE ROTTEN ITEMS ON THE FRONT PORE, PORCH FLOOR.
SUPPORT SUPPOSE AND SIDING THAT SUPPORTS THE CEILING AND ROOF.
REPLACE THE BROKEN WINDOW ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
ALL NECESSARY BUILDING PERMIT AS REQUIRED.
THE CITY RECOMMENDATION IS TO MAKE A MOTION TO FIND THE PROPERTY IN VIOLATION OF 42-117 EXTERIOR STRUCTURE MAINTENANCE.
GIVEN THE RESPONDENT 30 ADDITIONAL DAY TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE BY JANUARY 3RD. 2021.
THE CITY RECOMMEND MOTION TO BE MADE THAT ALL ADMINISTRATIVE FEES TO BE PAID BY THEIR RESPONDENT AND THEN FINE OF $50 A DAY BEGIN ON JANUARY 4TH 2021. IF NOT IN COMPLIANCE ALONG WITH FILING A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY ON FEBRUARY 4TH, 2021.
>> I UNDERSTAND ADMINISTRATIVE FEES ARE $279.
>> ADMINISTRATIVE FEES ARE. $273.69.
>> ARE ALL THE NECESSARY BUILDING PERMITS BEEN PULLED?
>> YES. >> AS FAR AS I KNOW, YES.
>> CAN YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >> NO.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAYING THIS. >> EXCUSE ME.
YOU INDICATED THAT A PERMIT WAS PULLED ON THE PORCH.
DO YOU THOUGH WHAT THE EXPIRATION DATE IS?
>> MAY 7TH. >> WHEN YOU STARTED OUT YOU ININDICATED THAT YOU OPENED A NEW CASE.
DOES THAT MEAN THIS PROPERTY HAS BEEN IN VIOLATION BEFORE?
>> WE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO CASES RUNNING ON IT.
THE ORIGINAL CASES BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS FOR THE STRUCTURE, WE HAVE ANOTHER CASE OPEN WITH NO BEARING ON THIS.
THAT YOU SEE FROM OUTSIDE STORAGE AND THAT JUNK WHEN I SAY JUFRJ AND DEBRIS. YOU SAY MAINTENANCE AND LOSS ET CETERA. THAT HAS NO BEARING ON THIS
>> GOOD EVENING. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY YES, I HAVE PULLED ANOTHER PERMIT. AND I AM WORKING SLOWLY.
I HAVE FUNDING ISSUES WITH THE PANDEMIC, I CLEAN HOUSES AND I LOST SOME HOUSES BECAUSE PEOPLE DID NOT WANT PEOPLE IN THEIR HOUSES. AND I'M WORKING ON A BARE MINIMUM BUDGET RIGHT NOW. AND ALL I'M ASKING FOR SOME TIME TO GET THINGS BACK IN ORDER. I REALIZE I HAVE A LOT TO DO.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. I KNOW IT.
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IF YOU COULD GIVE ME AT LEAST -- I KNOW THE NEW PERMIT IS UNTIL MAY. AND THE WAY MY MONEY IS RUNNING, IT'S SLOW. AND I DON'T KNOW IF I WILL HAVE COMPLETELY DONE BY MAY. BUT I SHOULD HAVE I WILL SAYTHREE-QUARTERS DONE. >> THANK YOU MISS HILL.
>> WOULD YOU MIND GOING INTO HOW THE WORK IS BEING DONE.
ARE YOU DOING THIS? DO YOU HAVE A CONTRACTOR?
>> I'M DOING. IT'S LIKE I SAID SLOW.
THE PORCH HAS BEEN DEMOED. WE'VE GOT THE NEW FRAME UP.
ALL WE HAVE TO DO NOW PUT IN THE FLOOR.
AND THE SIDING ON THE PORCH. AND REPLACE THE SHINGLES.
AND THE PORCH WILL BE DONE. >> WHEN YOU SAY YOU ARE DOING IT. MYSELF AND MY BROTHER.
>> IT'S FAMILY, YES. >> HEY, WOMAN CAN DO IT TOO.
>> SOME PORCHES REQUIRE TWO PEOPLE.
>> LET ME SAY THIS. MISS HILL IS A NEIGHBOR OF MINE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD RECUSE MYSELF FROM THE HEARING.
BUT SHE'S A NEIGHBOR OF MINE. AND BLESS HER HEART SHE'S OUT THERE WORKING ALL THE TIME. MANY TIMES BY HERSELF.
SHE'S NOT A LAZY PERSON. AND I TRULY BELIEVE THAT SHE'S REALLY DOING THE BEST THAT SHE CAN RIGHT NOW.
BECAUSE I THINK TO MYSELF, GOD BLESS HER.
SHE'S OUT THERE TAKING STUFF. THIS ALMOST ON A DAILY BASIS.
AND I KNOW THAT SHE HAS HAD SOME EMPLOYMENT ISSUE.
ANY WAY WE CAN WORK WITH MISS HILL.
I KNOW SHE WOULD APPRECIATE IT. >> IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THERE'S PROBABLY FOLKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT COULD HELP
CLEANUP THE PROPERTY. >> SOME OF IT IS CARRYING AND MOVING. I UNDERSTAND THAT WOMAN CAN DO IT. YOUNGER KIDS CAN MOVE MORE.
>> I UNDERSTAND. >> MY BIGGEST PROP WAS I WORK BACKYARDS. I STARTED WORKING ON THE HOUSE -- THIS MY GRANDMOTHER'S HOUSE WHICH WAS HANDED DOWN TO ME. AND THE HOUSE IS REALLY OLD.
AND I REALLY DIDN'T NEED TO DO A LOT OF WORK ON THE INSIDE BEFORE I COULD DO SOMETHING OUTSIDE BEFORE I COULD GET TO THAT OUTSIDE, I WAS CITED. SO THIS THE WHERE I AM.
AND I'M WORKING AS HARD AS I CAN TO BE IN COMPLIANCE.
>> CAN I ASK ANOTHER QUESTION? >> DO YOU HAVE THE MATERIALS YOU
NEED? >> I HAVE THE MATERIALS.
AND THEY WILL COVERED. I JUST HAVE TO GET IT DONE.
>> YOU NEED TIME FOR THE LABOR? >> YOU NEED TIME FOR THE LABOR.
>> MICHELLE, WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THIS CASE.
I THINK WE COULD HAVE A SOLUTION HERE.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS.
>> ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
>> I HAVE ONE. >> YOU MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER.
ANY OF THE WORK REQUIRED LICENSE CARPENTER -- LICENSED PERSON IN SOME AREAS ANYTHING AND I'M NOT PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT.
BUT IN SOME AREAS THESE LICENSES ARE VERY IMPORTANT.
TO DO ALL THE WORK. >> YOUR NOT DOING ELECTRICAL.
JUST REPLACING THE ROTTEN PORCH AND PUTTING IT BACK TO WHERE IT
WAS. >> THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS YOU
>> SHE GOT THE PERMITS. >> THAT'S WHY I'M HERE.
IT WOULD BE INSPECTED AND REQUIREMENT OF THE PERMIT
>> JUST HAD A LONG DISCUSSION ABILITY MAY BEING FIVE MONTHS FROM NOW. DO YOU BELIEVE MAY IS REALISTIC?
>> WELL, I WAS LISTENING TO WHAT YOU TOLD THE LADY BEFORE ABOUT THE WEATHER. AND I KNOW THAT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM TO A CERTAIN DEGREE. WHATEVER TIME YOU CAN GIVE ME I
WOULD APPRECIATE. >> CAN I MENTION THIS SOLUTION
ON THE RECORD, MICHELLE? >> YES.
>> WE HAVE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED GETTING OTHER ORGANIZATIONS
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INVOLVED HELPING PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY AND TRYING TO ACCESS PEOPLE IN FACT COMMISSIONER ROSS DID THAT HAD THAT CONVERSATIONHERE IS COMPLETELY APPROPRIATE. >> ON THAT NOTE, IT WOULD BE HAPPY TO TALK WITH YOU AFTER THE MEETING AND ORGANIZE CONVERSATION WITH MICHELLE TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL SUPPORT TO HELP YOU DO SOME OF THE LESSER SKILLED TASKS TO MOVE THE
PROGRESS OF THE LABOR ALONG. >> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THAT.
>> WITH THAT IN MIND, YOU'RE PERMIT EXPIRED I HEARD MAY -- EXACT WHEN -- WOULD YOU REMIND THE DATE.
>> I THINK IT'S THE 7TH. I DON'T WANT TO SAY EXACTLY.
AROUND THAT AREA. >> I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS
ANY QUESTIONS. >> ANYONE ON THE SCREEN HAVE ANY
THANK YOU MISS HILL. >> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING.
WE HAVE -- WE'LL WORK WITH YOU, MICHELLE.
SO PLEASE GIVE ME YOUR INFORMATION AND WE WILL COORDINATE. I WOULD PROPOSE RECOGNIZING THAT WE CAN PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT BUT PROBABY NOT FULL SUPPORT, ALLOWING MISS HILL UNTIL HER PERMIT EXPIRES AS THE
LATEST DATE TO COMPLETE WORK. >> WE'RE SAYING ON OR BEFORE MAY
>> I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE HAS CONCERN WITH THAT.
THERE'S AN EMBRYONIC MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO ASK WHEN WE WILL FIND A NOT IN COMPLIANCE SEPARATE MOTION AND THEN GIVE MISS HILL UNTIL HONEST OR BEFORE MAY 8 LITTLE TO COME IN TOTAL COMPLIANCE ON THIS CASE. AT THAT POINT A FINE OF $25.
$25 A DAY. AND ADMINISTRATIVE FEES.
>> CORRECT. >> I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
I WILL -- WHATEVER WE ALL JUST SAID.
I HAVE A MOTION. FIRST MOTION TO FINE THE PROPERTY AT 1316BEEC STREET I BEECH STREET.
>> IT'S TIME FOR YOUR RETIREMENT.
CASE 2020-004. THE JOKE THERE MR. BYRD'S LAST
HEARING. >> TIME FOR RETIREMENT.
SOMEBODY MAKE THAT MOTION WE FINE THE PROPERTY NOT COMPLIANCE
>> I SECOND. >> MOVE BY COMMISSIONER CROWE SECONDED BY COCHAIR. COURT, CALL THE ROLL.
REQUIRE THAT THE PROPERTY AT 1316 BEECH STREET COME INTO COMPLIANCE BY MAY 8TH. ALL ADMINISTRATIVE FEES SHALL BE PAID. I MOTION.
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AND MICHELLE AND YOU ARE ALL GOING TO GET TOGETHER.THIS IS HER INFORMATION. >> THIS IS MY CARD IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND PROVIDING YOUR INFORMATION TO US AND WE WILL BE
IN TOUCH. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
>> THANK YOU. CASE 4.3 HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN.
[4.4 SHAUN BARRY, 108 N. 10TH STREET, CASE 2020-0317. Violation(s) of the City of Fernandina Beach Code of Ordinances exist: Section 42-116 - Duty to Maintain Property, Section 42-117 - Exterior Structure - Maintenance, Section 42-119 - Rubbish & Garbage Accumulation, LDC Section 5.01.09 - Outside Storage, LDC Section 7.01.02C - Street Numbers Signs, LDC Section 7.01.05D - Specific Parking Restrictions for Boats and Trailers. Requesting Board determination of the case.]
CASE 4.4SHAUN BARRY, 108 NORTH 10TH STREET.CASE 2020-0317 VIOLATION OF THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH CODE OF ORDINANCES. 442-116.
LAND DEVELOPMENT 5.01.09. OUTSIDE STORAGE.
701, STREET NUMBER SIGNS. 701.05D SPECIFIC PARKING RESTRICTIONS FOR BOATS AND TRAILERS.
I DON'T SEE ANYBODY HERE. MR. WELLS ON BEHALF OF THE CITY.
>> THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT ALL OF OUR EVIDENCE INTO THE RECORD FOR 2020-116.
>> NO OBJECTION. IT'S IN THE RECORD.
>> ON AUGUST 11TH, 2020, I OBSERVED NUMEROUS VIOLATIONS ON THIS PROPERTY STARTING WITH YARD OVERGROWTH, UTILITY TRAILER PARKED IN THE FRONT YARD. TRASH AND DEBRIS SCATTERED ALL OVER THE PROPERTY. OUTSIDE STORAGE OF BUILDING MATERIALS AND TOOLS IN THE YARD. THE HOUSE NEEDED NUMEROUS ON THE MAILBOX. SIDING NEED TO BE INSTALLED OVER THE BUILDING RAFT PUT ON. I POSTED NOTICE OF VISIT ON THE FRONT DOOR GIVING THE OWNER 30 DAYS TO CORRECT THE VIOLATIONS.
I RECORDED PHOTOGRAPH OF THE POSTING OF THE NOTICE OF VISIT ON THE FRONT DOOR AND OF THE VIOLATIONS.
ON SEPTEMBER 14TH, 2020, SECOND INSPECTION WAS PERFORMED AND THE PROPERTY WAS STILL IN VIOLATION. SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2020, A CERTIFIED LETTER WAS SENT TO OWNER, GIVING ADDITIONAL 30 DAYS TO CORRECT THE VIOLATIONS. SEPTEMBER 30TH WE DECIDED TO POST THE LETTER AT THE PROPERTY, ALSO AT CITY HALL AND AT THE CENTER. RECORDED A PHOTOGRAPH OF POSTING AT THE PROPERTY AND ALSO FILLED OUT NOTERIZED@OF SERVICE FOR EACH LOCATION FOR THE ONE IN CITY HALL AND THE TECH CENTER.
IN THE MEAN TIME WE RECEIVED THE RETURN RECEIPT FROM THE OWNER BACK FROM THE ORIGINAL CERTIFIED LETTER.
WE DID HAVE GOOD SERVICE IN WAY. WE WENT THAT EXTRA MILE TO MAKE SURE WE HAD GOOD SERVICE. OCTOBER 30TH, 2020 WE PERFORMED A NOTICE OF VIOLATION INSPECTION.
WHICH CONFIRMED THE PROPERTY WAS STILL IN VIOLATION.
NOVEMBER 24TH, 2020, PREAGENDA INSPECTION PERFORMED SHOWING THE PROPERTY WAS STILL IN VIOLATION OF 42-117 AND ALSO THAT IT WAS ALSO 42-116 AND ALSO THE EXTERIOR STORAGE 5.01.09.
THEY HAVE CORRECTED THE TRAILER -- THE TRAILER WAS REMOVED. AND THEY HAD PUT NUMBERS ON THE MAILBOX. THE CONCLUSION IS THE OWNER -- WELL I JUST STATE THAT. I WILL RESTATE.
OWNER HAS RAE MOVED UTILITY TRAILER FROM FRONT YARD.
AFFIXED ADDRESS ON THE MAILBOX. BUT THE YARD IS STILL OVERGROUND. OUTSIDE STORAGE OF BUILDING PRODUCTS AND TOOLS ARE STILL VISIBLE.
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THE SIDING IS NOT BEEN INSTALLED OVER THE EXPOSED BUILDING.AND TRASH AND DEBRIS IS STILL LAYING AROUND ON THE GROUND.
THE PROPERTY OWNER NEEDS TO BRING THIS PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE. THE CITY RECOMMEND A MOTION TO BE MADE TO FIND THE PROPERTY IN VIOLATION 42-117.
GIVING THE RESPONDENT 30 DAYS TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE BY JANUARY 3RD. 2021.
THE CITY RECOMMEND A MOTION TO BE MADE ALL ADMINISTRATIVE FEES BE PAID BY THE RESPONDENT AND FINE OF $50 A DAY BEGIN ON JANUARY 4TH, 2021 IF NOT IN COMPLIANCE.
ALONG WITH FILING A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY FEBRUARY 4TH.
>> WE'LL GO THROUGH SOME OF THE PICTURES.
THIS IS RIGHT REAR OF THE PROPERTY.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S HE'S BEEN DOING SOME CONSTRUCTION ON THE HOUSE. BUT ALL OF THE BUILDING MATERIALS WHICH I UNDERSTAND ORGANIZED THEM QUITE A BIT NOW BUT IN THE BEGINNING THEY WERE JUST EVERYWHERE NOW.
NEXT ONE, PLEASE. THIS IS THE VERY BACK, CAN'T REALLY SEE IT. BUT I'M TRYING TO SHOW THE OVERGROWTH IN THE BACKYARD. NEXT ONE.
THIS IS OVERGROWTH IN THE BACKYARD.
YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE STUFF THAT'S LAYING ON THE GROUND.
>> IS THE OWNERLY LIVING THERE? >> YES, THE OWNER DOES LIVE
>> THIS IS THE BUILDING RAFT THAT ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE HOUSE HE STARTED ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN THE RIGHT SIDE BUT HE'S NOT COMPLETED ANY OF THIS. AND THIS HAS BEEN THIS WAY FOR SOMETIME. NEXT PHOTOGRAPH, PLEASE.
SAME THING THIS IS RIGHT REAR. BUILDING NO SIDING.
AROUND THE WINDOW, SIDING NOT COMPLETE.
THIS IS FRONT OF THE HOUSE. WINDOW NOT COMPLETE.
NOT TRIMMED OUT. FRONT WINDOW SAME THING.
WINDOW NOT TRIMMED OUT. NEXT PHOTO.
LOOKS LIKE HE WAS TRYING TO REPLACE THE SEWER LINE.
I DIDN'T CITE HIM FOR THIS. THIS WAS AFTER THE FACT.
I DID TAKE A PICTURE OF THE MAILBOX WITH THE NUMERALS ON.
YOU SEE TRASH AND STUFF SCATTERED ABOUT.
A BUNCH OF OLD PLUMBING FITTINGS ON THE BACK, DISCARDED.
GO TO NEXT ONE, PLEASE. YOU CAN STILL SEE OVERGROWTH FROM THAT PICTURE. AND SOME OTHER DEBRIS LAYING ON THE GROUND. SOME MORE BUILDING MATERIALS
LEFT ON THE PORCH. >> THAT'S IT.
THE OWNER DOES LIVE THERE. AND IN THIS CASE ACTUALLY HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
>> I HAVE A QUESTION. WOULD YOU DESCRIBE THIS AS CONSTRUCTION SITE AND WHAT REALLY ASKING ARE THERE PERMITS
THAT HAVE BEEN DRAWN? >> WELL, THERE ARE PERMITS.
WELL, THERE WAS A STOP WORK ORDER AND SYMPTOM WORK ORDER ON
THIS HOME AT THIS TIME. >> BECAUSE IT HAS NO PERMITS?
. >> HE WAS DOING WORK WITHOUT
PROPER PERMIT. >> AND AS FAR AS -- AND IT STILL
STANDS OF TODAY. >> WE WOULD BE CONCERNED IF IT WAS CONSTRUCTION SITE. WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT YOU KNOW I'VE SEEN CONSTRUCTION SITES IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT GET YOU KNOW PRETTY BAD. IF HE HAD ALL OF HIS PERMITS.
HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT THE CONDITION --
>> I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM. AS I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW UNDER CONSTRUCTION. YOU WILL HAVE MATERIALS LAYING AROUND. AS LONG AS IT'S ORGANIZE AND NOT CAUSING A NUISANCE IN ANY WAY. AND HE DOES LIVE THERE; AND HE HAS LIVED THERE. THE FIRST ONE -- WHEN WE FIRST NOTED THE VIOLATION AND I GUESS I COULD -- IF WE COULD GET THE ORIGINAL PHOTOS WHICH MIGHT BE ATASK IN ITSELF.
IT WAS SCATTERED EVERYWHERE. AND IT WAS A MESS.
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AND I UNDERSTAND SOMETIMES CONSTRUCTION CAN BE A MESS.>> YOU HAVE ANY PERSONAL CONTACT WITH HIM?
>> I HAVE SPOKEN TO THE OWNER ORIGINALLY.
HE'S VERY HARD TO GET AHOLD OF. I HAVEN'T SPOKE TO HIM RECENTLY.
>> THIS IS PRACTICAL MATTER. IF HE HASN'T APPLIED FOR
BUILDING PERMITS. >> THERE'S STILL A STOP WORK
ORDER. >> HE'S LOOKING AT MID-FEBRUARY
AT THE EARLIEST PROBABLY. >> YEAH.
TRUST ME. >> WELL, YOU'RE RECOMMENDING THAT WE FIND HIM IN VIOLATION OF EXTERIOR STRUCTURE MAINTAINS.
YOU DID INDICATE YOU WANT TO FIND IN VIOLATION OF THE OTHER SECTIONS. DID I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY?
>> THE ORIGINAL VIOLATION THAT WERE CITED WAS FOR THE -- WERE QUITE A FEW. FOR THE DUTY TO MAINTAIN PROPERTY 42-116. THE OVERGROWTH AND 42-117 RELATES TO STRUCTURE ITSELF. AND THEN 42-119 RELATES TO THE DEBREE THAT'S LAYING AROUND ON THE GROUND.
AND THEN THE OUTSIDE STORAGE AS LONG AS HE ORGANIZED IT TO A CERTAIN FAST. AS LONG AS IT'S NOT EVERYWHERE.
I CAN LIVE WHAT EVER DECISION YOU MAKE ON THAT.
IT'S AN ACTIVE CONSTRUCTION SIDE.
I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. HE DID REMOVE THE TRAILER.
HE DID PUT NUMBERS ON THE HOUSE. THAT'S VERY MINOR.
HE NEEDS TRASH OR DEBRIS LAYING AROUND.
IF IT'S TRASH AND DEBRIS HE NEEDS TO THROW IT AWAY.
IF IT'S STUFF HE'S REUSING FOR THE HOUSE.
THEN YOU KNOW HE NEEDS STORE IT PROPERLY OR WHERE IT DOESN'T BECOME A NUISANCE TO OTHER NEIGHBORS.
BECAUSE SOME OF THE STUFF HAS BEEN SITTING HERE SO LONG IT BECOMES RODENT HASHAGE AND ALL KIND OF OTHER THING.
HELP ME WITH THIS. BECAUSE 42-117.
THAT'S FOR THE HOUSE. THAT COVERS MORE THAN JUST CLEANING THE PROPERTY. YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS THE VIOLATION OF 42-117, EXTERIOR STRUCTURE MAINTENANCE.
>> RIGHT. >> IT'S MORE THAN THE GRASS AND THE CUTTING AND THE MOVING OF THINGS AROUND.
BECAUSE 42-117 ALL EXTERIOR SERVICES DOOR WINDOW FRAMES.
PORCHES. EXTERIOR WOOD SURFACES.
AND ALL THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. IS THE RECOMMENDATION JUST CLEANUP THE PROPERTY OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE ULTIMATELY
REQUIRE BUILDING PERMIT? >> THE MAIN THING IS STRUCTURE.
THE MAIN THING FINISH THE HOUSE. AND IF HE WILL FINISH THE HOUSE A LOT OF THE OTHER THINGS WILL BE COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
>> IT'S MORE THAN JUST CLEANING UP.
IT'S THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING ITSELF.
>> YES. >> AND REALISTICALLY YOU KNOW WE CAN SAY 30 DAYS. EVEN IT'S IN GOOD FAITH AND YOU STAND HERE TODAY THERE'S NO WAY HE CAN REPAIR THAT BUILDING IN
30 DAYS. >> WELL, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
>> I'M JUST -- I DON'T KNOW THAT CHANGES MY OPINION OF WHAT THE FINE AND WHEN THEY SHOULD GO INTO EFFECT.
BECAUSE HE'S BEEN OUT OF COMPLIANCE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.
>> YOU GUYS HAVE MORE LATITUDE THAN ME.
I DON'T ME TO BE DISRESPECTFUL. -- I MEAN THE BOARD.
>> GUYS ARE GENERIC. >> AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED, AS FAR AS MY STATUTE ON ALLOWS ME TO GIVE THIFRT -- 30 DAYS.
THE BOARD HAS ITS PLEASURE TO GIVE ADDITIONAL TIME FRAMES.
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>> I DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY TO DO THAT.
>> OKAY. IF -- SOMETIMES -- IF YOU TOOK OFF YOUR CODE ENFORCEMENT HAT AND MADE SUGGESTION.
WHAT WOULD THAT SUGGESTION BE. REALISTICALLY.
YOU'VE BEEN TO THE PROPERTY. WE HAVEN'T.
>> IN THIS CASE, THIS OWNER IS DOING NOTHING.
I MEAN JUST BECAUSE HE MOVED THE TRAILER. THE MAILBOX. THAT HE'S DONE NOTHING ELSE.
SOME OF THESE OTHER CASES WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT.
THESE PEOPLE HAVE MADE AN ATTEMPT.
EVEN THOUGH MAY HAVE BEEN SLOW. YOU KNOW THEY'VE MADE AN
ATTEMPT. >> BOARD MEMBERS TO BACK THIS
UP? >> THIS PARTICULAR HOME OPENER
HAS DONE NOTHING. >> THE FOLKS BACK ON THE SCREEN OFF THE SCREEN. I DON'T KNOW IF -- MR. BOYD, MISS CROWE, ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. WELLS?
>> I JUST NEED A CLARIFICATION. YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT MULTIPLE VIOLATIONS, IN THE TOP OF THE STAFF REPORT.
THE RECOMMENDATION FOR 42-117. I
>> MIGHT HAVE NEGLECTED TO PUT THAT ADDITIONALLY IN THERE WITH
ALL THE REST OF THEM. >> I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE ADDED ALL THE ADDITIONAL VIOLATIONS WITH THAT ALSO.
>> THAT WOULD BE 42-116-42-117, 42-119 AND LAND DEVELOPMENT
>> AND THE REST OF IT IS IN COMPLIANCE.
THANK YOU. >> MR. CHAIR, JUST TO CLARIFY WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT WE CITED IN THE NOTICE THAT WENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER. FLORIDA LAW DOES NOT ALLOW YOU TO FIND A VIOLATION OF SOMETHING ANY SECTION NOT SENT TO PROPERTY OWNER IN NOTICE. THEY NEED TO BE NOTIFIED OF THE
SECTION. >> HE RECEIVED NOTICE OF 42.116, 11177.010 5 D AND 42-119. HE RECEIVED NOTIFICATION OF ALL
THAT ON THE STAFF REPORT. >> CITED 42-117 TO FINISH COMPLETE INSTALLATION OF WOODSIDING OVER THE BUILDING WRAP ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE.
HE WAS CITED 5.019 FOR OUTSIDE STORAGE.
TOOLS LADDERS, THAT ARE BEING STORED ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE. CITED FOR 7.01.02C.
THAT'S THE STREET NUMBERS. >> 7.01.02C.
>> THAT'S IN COMPLIANCE. >> THAT SHOULD BE IN COMPLIANCE.
NEXT ONE FOR TRAILER. THAT'S IN COMPLIANCE.
THE LAST ONE I CITED HIM FOR 42-119 FOR TRASH AND DEBRIS LAYING AROUND ON THE PROPERTY. 42, 116, 117, 4 THE.117, 42-119.
AND 7.01.05. >> RECOMMENDATION FOR THE FOUR
>> THAT'S CORRECT. >> ADMINISTRATIVE FEES.
273.9. >> ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE
BOARD? >> I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS.
>> I DO AS WELL. >> WHY DON'T YOU START.
>> I'M IN FAVOR OF ALSO TIER AID APPROACH ON THIS.
BECAUSE I THINK CLEARLY THE EXTERIOR MAINTENANCE THAT'S NOT STRUCTURAL EASIER FIX THAN THE STRUCTURAL ONES.
ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF STOP WORK ORDER AND PERMIT.
>> I DON'T KNOW -- >> YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT GOOD FAITH AND HIM SHOWING UP.
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AND THIS IS FAIRLY EGREGIOUS OUT THERE.IF YOU'RE NEIGHBORS LIVING IN THAT COMMUNITY AND NO ONE IS DOING ANYTHING ABOUT THAT. ON THE OTHER HAND, I REALIZE -- REALLY 42.117, THE BIGGER PIECE OF ALL OF THIS.
BUT IT'S IT SEEMS TO ME THAT $50 A DAY IS NOT GOING TO GET THIS GUYS NOTICE. ATTENTION.
AND I WOULD MUCH RATHER GIVE HIM 60 OR 90 DAYS TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE AND COME IN WITH HEAVIER FINE TO DO THE WHOLE
THING. >> THAT'S WHERE MY HEAD IS AT
THIS MOMENT. >> COULD WE ASK FOR OFF THE ROAD
ASSESSMENT? >> WE WILL GET TO YOUR QUESTION.
>> HOW LONG DO YOU THINK IT WOULD TAKE REALISTICALLY COME INTO FULL COMPLIANCE HAVING BEEN TO THE PROPERTY?
>> AGAIN OFF THE RECORD. >> WE'RE ON THE RECORD.
>> ON THE RECORD. THE PROBLEM IS.
HE HAS TO COME DOWN AND MEET WITH THE BUILDING OFFICIAL AND GET THE SYMPTOM WORK ORDER STRAIGHTENED OUT TO BEGIN WITH.
AND THEN DEPENDING ON WHAT MR. BECKMAN REQUIRES OF HIM AS FAR AS DRAWINGS SCOPE OF WORK, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE WILL REQUIRE
HIM, YOU KNOW -- >> TO PULL A PERMIT ON IT.
30 DAYS SO FAR BEING REALISTIC. >> THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS -- THE MAN HASN'T ATTEMPTED AT ALL TO COME IN COMPLIANCE.
IF YOU WANT TO BE REASONABLE GET IT DONE.
IF HE DOESN'T HAVE I DONE BY DATE CERTAIN THEN THE FINE WOULD
BE SIGNIFICANT. >> MISS CROWE?
>> THAT'S MY QUESTION. RECOMMENDATION FOR $50 PER VIOLATION PER DAY OR $50 A DAY FOR EVERYTHING?
>> BECAUSE IT WAS ONLY FOR ONE VIOLATION.
IF YOU READ THE RECOMMENDATION. ONLY FOR 42.117.
THAT COULD BE $50 FOR 117. I GUESS IT COULD BE SERIES OF
FINES. >> BECAUSE MR. WELLS CLARIFIED THAT HE DEPOSIT JUST MEAN 42-117.
I NEED CLARIFICATION ON STAFF RECOMMENDATION ON THE $50 FINE.
I WOULD BE OKAY WITH $50 A DAY FOR THE GROUP OF VIOLATIONS.
>> GIVEN WHERE WE ARE. >> I UNDERSTAND.
I DON'T WANT TO SEE WE'RE TARGETING THIS HOMEOWNER EVEN THOUGH HE'S NOT SHOWING ANY GOOD FAITH.
HE'S NOT HERE TONIGHT. I KNOW THAT I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO SET A PRECEDENT ABOUT TRYING TO -- I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PROPERLY SAY THIS. WE WON'T COMPLY.
>> THAT'S OUR MAIN GOAL. >> I DO WANT TO GET HIS ATTENTION SO IT WILL COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
THAT'S OUR GOAL. >> I WANT TO KNOW WHAT WILL GO OUTSIDE HIS HEAD. TO GRAB HIS ATTENTION.
AND $50 A DAY AT THIS POINT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT WILL DO IT FOR ME. $50 A DAY ADDS UP FAIRLY
>> MY WHAT I'VE SEEN, MR. CHAIR, MAY I?
>> YOU ARE ALL ON THE MAINTENANCE OF STRUCTURES ISSUE JUST LIKE WITH THE FIRST CASE. AND THE SECOND CASE.
TRYING TO FIGURE OUT TIMEWISE BASED ON OUR OWN EXPERIENCE WHEN SOMEBODY WOULD POSSIBLY GET A PERMIT ISSUED OR GET A CONTRACTOR HIRED. AND I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO END UP SEEING CASES BACK HERE ANYWAY OR UPDATES OR KNOW THEY COULDN'T QUITE MAKE IT.
THE ONE THING THAT YOU MAY CONSIDER IS A DATE BY BY THE OWNER HAS TO TAKE ACTION. THAT ACTION IS NOT NECESSARILY COMPLIANCE, YOU MIGHT HAVE A FOLLOW UP AFTER THAT.
FIND OUT ABOUT COMPLIANCE. BUT THAT THEY ACTUALLY DOESN'T TAKE BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME DOWN TO CITY HALL ANY MORE TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT. I'M NOT SAYING EASY.
IT COST MORE MONEY TODAY THAN IT DID LAST YEAR.
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TO DO EVEN THESE TYPE OF REPAIRS.THE CITY IS FINDING CHANGE ORDERS WHICH WE'RE NOT ACCEPTING BECAUSE THE PRICE OF LUMBER HAS QUADRUPLED AND DIFFICULT.
I'M HUBBLELY SUGGEST TO YOU THAT YOU MAY CONSIDER USING THAT AS
YOUR BENCHMARK. >> I DON'T DISAGREE.
THE QUESTION IS THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE REALLY 42.117 EVENT THAT ARE BUILDING PERMIT APPLICABLE.
AND THEN THERE'S ALL THE OTHER STUFF.
>> I GET THAT. >> I MEAN, YOU CAN SAY IF HE DOESN'T GET A BUILDING PERMIT ON OR BEFORE A DATE CERTAIN.
>> I WOULD SAY THAT THE LANGUAGES APPLY FOR A BUILDING PER PITT. AN APPLICATION FOR BUILDING PERMIT ON SMALL PROJECTS LIKE THIS, AND I SAY SMALL COMPARED LIKE HOTEL ON ATLANTA. THE BUILDING PERMIT FEES ARE ACTUALLY NOT VERY HIGH. THEY ARE NOT -- I DOESN'T COST A LOT OF MONEY TO GO IF YOU CAN'T GO ONLINE AND DO IT.
YOU CAN COME DOWN HERE. YOU CAN APPLY FOR IT.
>> YEAH. WITH 42.116 MAINTAIN PROPERTY.
501.09 OUTSIDE STORAGE. AND 42.119 ALL THOSE ARE THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE IN 60 DAYS. AND IF YOU --
>> IT WAS AFFIRMATIVE. >> OR LESS.
AND THEN YOU APPLY THE FOR PERMIT FOR THE 42.117 BY A DATE
CERTAIN. >>> IF WE SAY THE OTHER FOUR VIOLATIONS, 116 AND THE TWO 30 OR 60 DAYS AND IF THAT'S NOT IN COMPLIANCE $50 A DAY FOR THOSE VIOLATIONS AND THEN A SECOND TIER THAT TALKS ABOUT EVIDENCE OF APPLYING FOR A BUILDING PERMIT THAT WOULD BRING THE PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE FOR 42.117 BY A DATE CERTAIN WHICH MIGHT BE 60 DAYS FROM NOW.
>> TO START WITH, WHAT WE WILL DO THE BRING THE PROPERTY IN VIOLATION OF 42.116, 42.117. 5
501.09. >> THERE'S A MOTION AND A
SECOND. >> WHICH IS THE ONE YOU LEFT
OUT. >> 42.116, 117, 0.01.09 AND
42-119. >> THE STREET SIGNS -- STREET
NUMBER SIGNS IN COMPLIANCE. >> AND THE BOAT AND TRAILERS.
>> BOATS AND TRAILERS. I MEAN WE HEARD THE FIRST TWO CASES. AND YOU KNOW, I AGREE THAT WE NEED TO HELP PEOPLE. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT ALL COMES DOWN TO SINCERITY, INTENT AND EFFORT.
WE NEED TO PUT THE WATER IN THE PISTOL, BECAUSE THIS PARTICULAR HOMEOWNER REALLY COULD CARE LESS ABOUT THE COMMUNITY FROM WHAT HE'S SHOWING ME. I THINK WE NEED TO BE VERY STERN WITH THESE TYPES OF SITUATIONS VERSES THE TIERED APPROACH.
I GET THE BUILDING CODE ISSUES. WHEN IT COMES TO CUTTING GRASS AND PICKING UP TRASH. THAT'S THE INTENT OF SOME OF THE PEOPLE HE GETS SOMETHING DONE IMMEDIATELY.
ON THE THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE IMMEDIATELY.
AND THEN GIVE A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME AND FOR THE THINGS THAT WE REALIZE QUITE FRANKLY IF HE APPLIED TODAY -- THAT HE NEEDS TO APPLY. SHOULDN'T TAKE MORE THAN 30 DAYS TO CUT THE GRASS AND PICK UP TRASH.
>> THE POINT IS, IF YOU MAKE IT REASONABLE FOR HIM TO GET THE THINGS DONE, AND THEN START APPLYING THE FINES, THEN WE CAN GO AND GET SOMEWHAT MIND. WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS THAT
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60 DAYS IS TOO LONG AND YOU BEEN LOOKING AT 30 DAYS AS A BETTER POINT. KY SEE THAT.BUT I WILL GO BACK TO WHAT I SAID ON THE PREVIOUS ONES.
LET'S THINK ABOUT WHAT TIME OF THIS YEAR THIS IS.
IN A SOLOMON LIKE MOVE. IF WE DO 45 DAYS FOR COMPLIANCE FOR ALL THE VIOLATIONS OTHER THAN 42.117.
WITH FINE BEGINNING ON 45 DAYS WHATEVER THAT IS FROM TODAY.
PROBABLY FEBRUARY 15TH. AND THEN FOR THE APPLICATION FOR A BUILDING PERMIT AND BEGINNING TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH 42.117. WHAT'S A REASONABLE TIME FOR HIM
TO APPLY FOR BUILDING PERMIT? >> MR. BOYD?
>> YOUR ASKING ME THAT QUESTION? >> I WOULD SAY TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE BE DONE WITH IT. GIVE HIM 90 DAYS TO BRING IN COMPLIANCE. WE CAN'T SET HERE AND SPECULATE ON HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE PEOPLE TO DO THINGS.
WE'RE NOT HERE TO SOLVE PEOPLE'S PROBLEM.
WE'RE HERE TO ENFORCE THE CODES OF FERNANDINA BEACH.
>> WELL I'M READY TO PUT A MOTION FORWARD.
>> MY MOTION IS THAT WE F FIND THE PROPERTY OWNER IN VIOLATION
CLERICAL THE ROLL. >> THIS IS ONLY FINDING IN
AND ASK FOR THE PENALTIES? >> WOULD IT BE PENALTY OF $50 A
DAY BEGINS FEBRUARY 15TH. >> CORRECT.
>> THAT'S JUST FOR THAT ONE. >> IN CASE THIS HELPS HARRIET.
>> DECEMBER IS 30. JANUARY IS 60.
>> I'M A MONTH AHEAD OF MYSELF. 42.116, 42.117.
>> IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION?
>> WHO MADE THE MOTION? >> I DID.
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CAN I SAY SOMETHING ABOUT 42.117.>> WE DIDN'T DO A VOTE YET. >> OKAY.
SORRY. I DIDN'T MEAN TO TRY TO SPEED
THINGS UP. >> WHY WOULD WE START NOW.
>> THAT'S THAT. >> NOW WE'RE ON 42.117.
>> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY I AGREE WITH BUDDY.
I DON'T LIKE SETTING DATES FOR PEOPLE TO APPLY FOR PERMITS.
AND GUESSING HOW. I WOULD GIVE THEM X AMOUNT OF TIME. 90 DAYS THE REASONABLE TO BRING IN COMPLIANCE. BRING INTO COMPLIANCE.
BECAUSE IN THE PAST WHEN WE GIVE PEOPLE DATES TO PULL A PERMIT; AND TO GO SOMETIME THEY COME BACK AND SAY I TRIED TO DO.
SOMEONE AT THE CITY DID THIS. OR I NEVER HEARD BACK.
THERE'S SO MANY THINGS WE CAN'T ANTICIPATE.
>> I WOULD PREFER TO JUST SET A DATE TO BRING IN COMPLIANCE.
NOT TOO FAR IN FUTURE. >> YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION.
>> I DON'T THINK 90 DAYS REASONABLE.
>> WITH THE STOP WORK ORDER. >> THE QUESTION IS ON MY RIGHT IS DO YOU BELIEVE 90 DAYS IS REASONABLE GIVING THE STOP WORK ORDER? OR DO WE CARE?
>> YEAH, I DON'T CARE. IF HOMEOWNER OR SOMEONE ON THEIR BEHALF HAD SHOWN UP TONIGHT. WE COULD ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. BUT I FEEL ABOUT HANDICAPPED IN MAKING THESE DECISIONS AND GUESSING ON WHAT THE SITUATION
IS. >> YOU'RE MAKING A MOTION COME IN FULL COMPLIANCE IN 90 DAYS. PERIOD, THE END.
>> IF NOT, $50 A DAY AND ADMINISTRATIVE FEES.
>> UNTIL IT COMES INTO COMPLIANCE.
I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THE LONGER BUT NOT
EXCESSIVELY LONG TIME LINE. >> OKAY.
LET'S JUST VOTE AND SEE. >> LET'S GET A SECOND.
>> IS THERE A SECOND FOR MISS CROWE'S MOTION?
>> IS THAT A DIFFERENT MOTION THAN YOU JUST LISTED?
>> THIS IS A SECOND MOTION. THIS PROPERTY COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH 42.117 ON OR BEFORE WHATEVER 90 DAYS FROM TODAY. MARCH 1ST?
DID I DO THAT ONE RIGHT? >> FEBRUARY.
>> MR. BOYD JUST SECONDED THE MOTION.
>> WE DID HAVE A MOTION TO FIND THE VIOLATION.
THAT'S SECONDED. IT'S ON VIDEOTAPE.
YOU CAN WATCH IT AT HOME. WE HAVE A MOTION.
42.117 ON OR BEFORE MARCH 1ST. 90 DAYS.
IF NOT IN COMPLIANCE ON MARCH 1ST.
$50 FINE AND ALL ADMINISTRATIVE FEES WILL BE PAID.
>> YOU SAID MARCH 1ST? >> YES.
>> THERE'S A MOTION AND THE SECOND.
>> I HAD TWO SECONDS. >> THAT'S GOOD.
>> THAT MEANS YOU HAVE THREE VOTES.
>> NO ONE IS DEMANDING A RECOUNT.
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MR. CHAIR, WE JUST HAD THREE MOTIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE.THE SECOND MOTION WE DID NOT ATTACH THE FINE WITHIN.
>> I THOUGHT WE DID. I THOUGHT WE SAID $50 IF NOT IN
>> I THINK THAT'S THE WILL OF THE BOARD?
OKAY. >> THANK YOU FOR NOTICING.
[4.5 JESSUP PROPERTIES/JIM JESSUP, 409 FIR STREET, CASE 2020-0407. Violation(s) of the City of Fernandina Beach Code of Ordinances exist: Section 42-117 - Exterior Structure - Maintenance. Requesting Board determination of the case.]
JESSUP PROPERTIES GYM JEPPUS409 FIR STREET CASE 2020-0607.VIOLATIONS OF 42.117, EXTERIOR STRUCTURES.
>> THANK YOU CHAIR. I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT THE EVIDENCE INTO THE RECORD FOR 2020-0407.
I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT THAT INTO THE RECORD.
ALL THE DOCUMENTS, PHOTOS ANDERS.
>> THERE'S NO OBJECTION. IT'S ALL IN THE RECORD.
>> THIS IS A VERY DIFFERENT CASE.
WE'VE BEGIN YOU UPDATES ON THIS CASE BEFORE.
IT'S VERY UNUSUAL CASE. AND I WILL EXPLAIN.
BUT ON OCTOBER 6TH, 2020 WE RECEIVED A COMPLAINT THIS HOUSE WAS OPEN AND UNSECURE AND HOMELESS PEOPLE WERE TRESPASSING AND LIVING IN THE HOUSE AND THE SHED.
WE CONFIRMED THE HOUSE WAS OPEN AND UNSECURE AND OPENED AND WE OPENED THE CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE.
WE ALSO CITED THE FRONT PORCH ROOF FOR BEING IN VIOLATION 42.117. THE POST WERE LEANING.
NEEDING TO BE REPAIRED. WE POSTED A NOTICE ON THE FRONT DOOR GIVING 30 DAYS TO CORRECT THE VIOLATION.
I RECORDED A PHOTOGRAPH OF THE POSTED NOTICE OF VISIT AND OF THE VIOLATIONS. OCTOBER 19TH, WE DECIDED TO EX-IMMEDIATIATE THE PROCESS DUE TO NUMEROUS SAFETY COMPLAINT WITH LACK OF RESPONSE FROM THE NOTICE FROM THE OWNER.
SO WE MAILED OUT A CERTIFIED NOTICE OF VIOLATION NOTICE OF HEARING LETTER TO THE OWNER. ALONG POSTING A COPY OF THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION HEARING LETTER AT SAID PROPERTY 409 FIR STREET CITY HALL AND TECH CENTER WITH COMPLIANCE DATE OF OCTOBER 26TH. THE SIGNED RECEIPT WASN'T RETURNED. WE POSTED ALL REQUIRED LOCATIONS. OCTOBER 27TH A NOTICE OF VIOLATION INSPECTION WAS PERFORMED.
SHOWING THE PROPERTY WAS STILL IN VIOLATION STILL OPEN AND UNSECURED. OCTOBER 28TH, ANOTHER PLAYER BECOME INVOLVED ON THIS PROPERTY.
MR. MATTHEW MILLER. HE IS A PERSPECTIVE BUYER FOR THIS PROPERTY. WE PALED HIM A COPY OF THE FINES AND FEES. THAT WERE DUE TO DATE.
WE ALSO E-MAILED HIM A COPY OF THE FINDING OF FACT.
AND WE ALSO MAILED HIM A COPY OF THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION, NOTICE OF HEARING LETTER. ON NOVEMBER 6TH.
WE INSPECTED PERFORMED AN INSPECTION 30 DAYS FROM THE ORIGINAL POSTING. THE PROPERTY STILL IN VIOLATION.
OCTOBER 24TH, WE DID PREAGENDA INSPECTION IT'S STILL AS ITS IN INITIAL PHASE. MR. MATTHEW MILLER LIVES ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE PROPERTY. HE'S CURRENTLY HE HAS THIS PROPERTY UP FOR SALE. THROUGH ACR REALTY.
AND DOES NOT HAVE OWNERSHIP OF THIS PROPERTY.
JESSUP PROPERTIES IS THE OWNER OF RECORD AS FAR AS THE NASHUA COUNTY PROPERTY APPRAISER. I DID CALL MR. GRIFFIN AND ASKED HIM ABOUT THIS. AND HE TOLD ME THAT WAS NORMAL PROCEDURE THAT THEY'VE DONE THIS MANY TIMES IN THE PAST, THAT PERSPECTIVE BUYERS HAVE PLACED PROPERTIES UP FOR SALE.
AND ORCHESTRATED THE SALE ON THAT PROPERTY.
BASICALLY ALL HE WANTS TO DO IS FLIP IT AND HAVE CONTROL OF WHAT
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IS TO BUILT THERE SINCE IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM HIS HOUSE. MR. MILLER HAS NO OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY. HIS INTENT IS IF BY CERTAIN SAID DATE IF THE PROPERTY THE NOT BOUGHT OR SOLD, HE IS GOING TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY AND THEN AT THAT POINT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN. AT THIS MOMENT HE'S NOT A OWNER.>> ESSENTIALLY WHAT HE'S DOING. ADVERTISING THE PROPERTY FOR SALE. LOOKING FOR A DECENT OFFER.
THEN HE WILL GO TO THE OWNERS AND SAY, I WILL GIVE YOU X FOR THAT. HE WILL PROBABLY BE LESS THAN THE OFFER AND THEN HE WILL TAKE CONTROL OF THE PROPERTY.
BORROWING BACK IF NO ONED BYES ON THE PROPERTY HE'S WILLING TO MAKE AN OFFER FOR THE PROPERTY HIMSELF.
>> THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING. AND I ASKED HIM TO COME TONIGHT TO ADDRESS THE BOARD AND GIVE HIS EXPLANATION OF HIS INTENT.
AND THE FINDING OF WHAT HE WOULD DO.
AND I SEE THAT HE DECIDED NOT TO SHOW UP THIS EVENING.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT.
MR. KAUFFMAN WELL KNOWS AS YOU ALL KNOW.
THE PROPERTY IS -- WELL, A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY.
THIS DISTRESSED PROPERTY WE HAVE NOT FOUND THAT IT'S IN FORECLOSURE YET. OR IT'S CURRENT OWNERS JESSUP PROPERTIES ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY JUST A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.
WE'RE NOT READY IF THEY HAVEN'T PAID TAXES FOR TAX DEED SALE FOR
EXAMPLE. >> WAS IT FORECLOSURED?
>> I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND IT'S BEEN FORECLOSURE CASE.
THIS SAME PROPERTY OWNER OWNED THE THOMPSON HOUSE.
ON 7TH STREET AND LULU'S. OKAY.
>> OKAY. >> IT WAS THIS IS JUST SORT OF HEARSAY WHICH IS ALLOWED AT THE HEARING.
THREE PARTNERS THAT ONE I THINK THE FROM HERE OR CONNECTED TO TOWN, SOMEHOW THE OTHER JACKSONVILLE PEOPLE.
AND THEY GOT TOGETHER THEY FORMED THIS JESSUP PROPERTIES.
PURCHASED THE THOMPSON HOUSE AND LULU AND THEY PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY. AND THE GROUP JUST KIND OF BLEW UP. AND THEY WALKED AWAY FROM EVERYTHING. INCLUDING THE THOMPSON HOUSE WHICH WE KNOW IS UNDER NEW OWNERSHIP.
I MEAN, THE STUFF THAT'S HAPPENING WITH YOU KNOW A REALTOR AND YOU KNOW THE OWNER SUPPOSED TO SIGN THE CONTRACT.
IT'S NOT OUR BUSINESS. >> THEY WANT TO DO BUSINESS THAT'S FINE. WHATEVER.
THEY WANT TO DO. ULTIMATELY, IF THERE'S CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP IT HAS TO BE THROUGH A DEED.
IT THOSE BE LEGAL. AND THE HOMEOWNER HAS TO SIGN IT. SINCE THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S LLC.
THAT WOULD BE COMPLICATED. THAT'S REALLY THEIR PROBLEM.
AND NOT OURS. THE PROPERTY CAN'T CHANGE HANDS WITHOUT A DEED AND EVEN MR. GRIFFIN IS NOT GOING TO HAVE A DEED FOR WHATEVER. IT'S DEFINITELY A MESS.
MAY I ASK A QUESTION. HAS BEEN PROPERTY BEEN SECURED?
>> NO IT HAS NOT. IF YOU WILL FORWARD THE PHOTOGRAPHS. THESE ARE THE WINDOW OPEN WHERE THE VAGRANTS CAN GET IN. THIS THE FRONT PORCH WHERE IT'S LEANING. THE PEERS AND THE POST.
THAT'S WHAT WAS CITED FROM THE 42-11 #.
THE FRONT RIGHT WINDOW OPEN. THE LEFT FRONT WINDOW ABOUT TO FALL OUT. YOU SAYING IF SOMEONE WANTED TO GET IN IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. YOU CAN SEE THE POSTING ON THE FRONT DOOR AND NOTICE OF VIOLATION AND THE ORIGINAL NOTICE. NEXT ONE PLEASE.
>> THAT'S THE OTHER ONE ON THE RIGHT SIDE THAT WERE OPEN.
>> AND THE POLICE HAVE THEY CALLED US NUMEROUS TIMES TO TRY TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THE OWNER TO SECURE THIS PROPERTY.
AND LIKE I SAID WE HAVE VERY LIMITED ABILITY TO FIND ANYBODY.
WE'VE MADE ALL ATTEMPTS TO TRY NOTIFY THIS OWNER.
BUT ALL THE NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE WE CAN'T MAKE CONTACT WITH THE
OWNER. >> WE HAVE NO EVIDENCE THAT HE PICKED UP ANY LETTERS AT THIS POINT?
OTHER THAN TO POST THINGS WE'VE PUT OUT.
>> YEAH. FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND AND OF COURSE THIS MAY BE HEARSAY OR WHATEVER.
MR. MILLER HAS SOME CONNECTION WITH MR. JESSOP.
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>> PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO FIND HIM. >> BECAUSE HE TOLD ME THAT HE WOULD MAKE CONTACT WITH HIM SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER TO MAKE SURE THE PLACE IS SECURE. THAT'S NOT BEEN DONE.
THERE'S OTHER ISSUES. WE CAN'T BRING THAT IN BECAUSE IT'S HEARSAY. THERE'S SOME FINANCIAL ISSUE SUPPOSEDLY THEY HAVE BETWEEN ONE ANOTHER.
THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS.
>> PROPERTY IN VIOLATION 42.117 BECAUSE OF THE FRONT PILINGS.
AND ALSO INSECURE BECAUSE IT'S OPEN AND VACANT.
WE DID TRY TO GET MR. STEVEN BECKMAN TO GO OUT TO POST THIS PROPERTY. AS BEING VACANT AND SECURE.
AND HE DECLINED TO DO SO. >> LET ME ASK MISS BACH A QUESTION. IN THE COMPLAINT OR THE CITY'S FINDING IT TALKS ABOUT SECURING AND KEEPING SURVEY GRANTS VAGRANTS OUT. YES, YOU CAN.
THANKS FOR ASKING. >> I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS IN THERE WAY. WE CAN ORDER THAT THE BILLING BE
SECURED ON OR BEFORE NEXT WEEK. >> OR FINES -- IN THEORY.
>> THE ONLY REASON I HESITATE. YES, BECAUSE IF YOU JUST ORDER IT, THEN IF IT'S NOT DONE IN A WEEK BY MR. MILLER, OR THE REALTOR, OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN THE CITY CAN GO IN AND DO IT. WE HAVE SEPARATE WORK
>> YOU ARE PRESSING. >> YOU ARE PRESCIENT.
>> WE CAN ORDER THE BUILD BEING SECURE ON OR BEFORE DECEMBER 8.
DECEMBER 8 A LITTLE BIT EARLY DECEMBER 9TH OR 10TH.
AND EVEN THOUGH MR. MILLER IS NOT A PARTY TO THIS.
HE PROBABLY COULD BE COPIED IN. AND IF IT'S NOT SECURED BY THAT POINT IN TIME A FINE. SOMEONE WILL GET HURT THERE.
>> COULD HAVE THE CITY GO IN. >> THAT'S WHAT -- WE GOT THERE.
IF THEY ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE ON A DATE CERTAIN WE ASK THE CITY
TO SECURE THE BUILDING. >> YES.
>> IF WE SET THE 10TH. THAT'S A WEEK FROM TODAY.
IF IT ISN'T DONE. THE CITY WOULD HAVE FRIDAY TO DO IT. I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THE CITY
NEEDS ORGANIZE THAT. >> IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED THAN THAT. SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
BECAUSE EVERYTHING SO BUSY. WE USED TO BE ABLE TO CALL UP A CONTRACTOR TO DO SOMETHING SMALL LIKE THAT.
WE COULD HAVE THE SKILLS ON STAFF TO DO IT.
SO I CAN'T PROMISE IT. BUT I THINK IT'S WORTH THE ORDER
AND WE COULD SUGGEST A DATE TO THE CITY REALIZING THAT -- WE WILL DO THE BEST QUESTION. IT'S SUGGESTION.
IF WE SAID THE BUILDING HAS TO BE SECURED ON OR BEFORE DECEMBER 10TH. AND IF IT'S NOT SECURED BY THEN, THEN WE REQUEST THE CITY SECURE HONEST OR BEFORE THE 15TH OF
>> THAT'S FINE. >> NOW, IF YOU ATTACH A FINE TO THAT, ONCE THE CITY IS SECURE, THE FINE GOES AWAY OR STOPS.
>> FOR THAT PORTION OF IT. >> YES.
>> I GUESS MY POINT IS, IF WE WILL HAVE THE CITY SECURE IT --.
>> THAT'S ONLY ONE PIECE OF 42.117.
THE REST OF THE STUFF -- VIOLATION 42.17.
I LOOK FOR BASICALLY FOR THE FIRST CASE WAS WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN SEPARATE OUT SECURING AND LOCKING THE BUILDING AND SECURING THE FACILITY. WE TAKE THAT OUT.
AND THEN YOU YOU CAN'T FINE THEM FOR THAT.
FOR ALL THE OTHER VIOLATIONS AROUND THAT BUILDING WE COULD ASSESS A FINE AT THAT POINT, TOO.
IF THEY ARE NOT DONE SECURE THE BUILDING.
AND ACTUALLY CINDY HAS ME. ACTUALLY ASSESS A FINE UNTIL THE CITY SECURES THE BILLING OF $50 A DAY.
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AND THEN THE REST OF THE STUFF FOR $50.>> CINDY? >> WHATEVER THE SKI HAS IN SECURING HOMEOWNER HAS TO PAY FOR IT.
I'M SAYING IF IT'S NOT DONE BY DECEMBER 10TH.
WE ASKED THE CITY TO SECURITY THE BUILDING BY WHATEVER I SAID.
THE 15TH OF DECEMBER DURING THAT INTERIM PERIOD YOU CAN ASSESS A FINE OF $50 A DAY UNTIL THE CITY SECURES THE BUILDING.
AND THEN I ASSUME THE CITY WOULD BILL EVEN IF WE DIDN'T SAY THAT.
THE CITY WILL LIEN THE PROPERTY. >> THE CITY WILL LIEN THE
PROPERTY FOR THAT IN ANIENT. >> IS THAT THE SAME THEY COME FORWARD AND SAY WE MEANT TO DO THAT.
WHAT DO WE OWE YOU IN FINES THEY ALSO PAY US FOR THE CITY EXPENSE
OF SECURING IT? >> THEY HAVE TO PAY, YES.
>> I THINK YES IS THE ANSWER. >> OKAY.
>> MAY I ASK A QUESTION. >> YES.
>> QUICKLY. DEFINE SECURE IN YOUR TERMS.
>> AS THE CODE IS UNDERSTOOD. I'M ONLY USING THE WORD OF THE CODE. KEEP VAGRANTS OUT.
>> WE ALSO CAN USE THAT CODE FOR ALL THE WINDOWS ALSO.
BECAUSE THAT CODE REFERS TO WINDOW HAVE TO BE OPERATIONAL.
THEY HAVE TO BE LOCKABLE. FULLY FUNCTIONABLE.
>> 64 AND LOCK ALL WINDOW, DOORS.
42.117 WRAPS ALL THAT INTO IT. ALONG WITH STRUCTURE PORTION OF
THE FRONT OF IT. >> I'VE JUST BEEN
INFORMED -- ALSO THE REAR SHED. >> THERE'S A REAR SHED THAT THERE WAS SOME VAGRANTS LIVING IN THAT ALSO.
FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND THAT'S BEEN LOCKED UP.
SINCE I CAN'T TRESPASS TO CHECK THAT.
I CAN'T VERIFY THAT. >> WE CAN GET -- THE POLICE HAVE
BEEN OUT THERE NUMEROUS TIMES. >> ONE MOTION WOULD BE TO SECURE AND LOCK ALL WINDOWS DOORS OPENING TO KEEP THE VAGRANTS.
FIND THE PROPERTY OUT OF COMPLIANCE.
FIRST MOTION ON THAT WOULD TO HAVE THE PROPERTY SECURED ON OR BEFORE THE 10TH OF DECEMBER SECURING ALL LOCKED WINDOWS DOORS OPENING TO KEEP THE VAGRANTS OUT.
AND INCLUDING THE SHED IF IT'S UNLOCKED.
AND IF IT'S NOT DONE BY 10TH OF DECEMBER THEN THE $50 FINE AND THEN WE REQUEST THAT THE CITY SECURE THE BUILDING ON OR BEFORE DECEMBER 15TH. THE CITY WILL BUILD THEM.
AND THEN A SECOND MOTION WOULD BE FOR REPAIR LEANING CONCRETE BLOCK PEERS AND WOOD POSTS PO SUPPORT THE FRONT PORCH.
AND THAT WOULD BE A SEPARATE $50 A DAY FINE.
>> I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT. DO WE HAVE A PROPOSED TIME LINE FOR THE LEANING BLOCK PEERS AND POSTS?
GIVE ME A DATE. >> GET IT DONE.
>> 30 DAYS SUFFICIENT IF YOU NEED A PERMIT, 60 DAYS.
>> DO YOU HAVE SUGGESTION? >> THEY ACTUALLY DEMOED THE FRONT PORCH ALL TOGETHER IF THEY WANT TO BRING THAT IN COMPLIANCE. YOU WILL NEED DEMOLITION PERMIT.
I MEAN, THIS HOUSE IS GOING TO BE TORN DOWN IS PLAN.
>> I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE OTHER PIECE OF IT.
>> WE CAN SAY AND FURTHER COMPLIANCE 42.117 WITHIN 30 DAYS. IF NOT $50 A DAY.
THE CITY HAS BEEN IN THERE. THE GRASS IS THAT HIGH.
THE CITY HAS BEEN IN THERE AND ABATED IT AND CUT IT AND CLEANED
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IT. IT'S REALLY NOT A VIOLATION.>> IT'S THE CASE IS STILL OPEN. THE FINES AND FEES.
THIS REPEAT VIOLATION. >> NO, THE FIRST CASE 42.116.
NOTHING WILL GET DONE IF WE DON'T DO THAT.
DO YOU ONLY DO THAT FOR REPAIRS? >> ANY FINES OR FEES THAT RUN.
>> WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET IT OUT OF ROCKET.
I SUGGEST YOU DO THAT. >> IF WE FIND HELP ME IF I'M WRONG. WE IF WE BEGIN THE FINES NANT DAYS OF THE DATE OF THE FINES. THEN YOU FILE A LIEN.
>> YES. >> WE CAN'T DO THAT UNTIL WE START FINING THEM. YOU GOT TO START COUNTING 90 DAYS. WHAT WE CAN DO IS -- DO YOU AGREE TO SECURING THE BUILDING BY THE 15TH THEN BY THE DATE CERTAIN IT COMES INTO COMPLIANCE AND IF NOT ON THE DATE CERTAIN BEGIN FINES AND THEN 90 DAYS THEREAFTER THERE'S A LEAN.
>> DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE?
>> I WILL ENTERTAIN ALMOST ANY MOTION.
>> MAKE A TEARED MOTION. >> TIER ONE WOULD BE --
>> LET'S FIRST MOTION. THE CASE OF 2204-07.
I PROPOSE WE FIND THE PROPERTY IN VIOLATION OF 42.117.
EXTERIOR STRUCTURE MAINTENANCE. >> I WILL SECOND.
>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. >> AYE.
>> THAT MOTION CARRIES. SECOND MOTION.
WITH THE TIERED APPROACH, THE PROPERTY OWNER NEED TO SECURE AND LOCK ALL WINDOWS DOORS AND OPENINGS, FOR THE HOUSE AND REAR SHED IF UNLOCKED. BY DECEMBER 10TH, IF NOT THE CITY IS AUTHORIZED BY DECEMBER 15TH TO DO THIS WORK AND ASSESS FEES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WORK. ALSO FINES IN THE AMOUNT OF $50 A DAY WOULD BE IMPOSED STARTING ON DECEMBER 11TH UNTIL THE PROPERTY FOR THIS SPECIFIC ACTION COMES INTO COMPLIANCE.
>> UNTIL THE CITY SECURES THE BUILDING.
>> WELL, UNTIL THAT PART COMES INTO COMPLIANCE.
>> UNTIL THAT PART. >> AND THEN THE SECOND TEAR WOULD BE 30 DAYS FOR THE PROPERTY TO COME INTO FULL COMPLIANCE THEREBY REPAIRING THE CONCRETE BLOCK PEERS AND WOOD POSTS FOR FULL COMPLIANCE 42.117.
>> $50 A DAY. BEGINNING THE SUBSEQUENT DAY.
>> JANUARY 2ND. >> AND ADMINISTRATIVE FEES.
AND ADMINISTRATIVE FEES. >> SECOND.
>> WE'RE MAKING HARRIET JUMP. >> I DON'T KNOW IF WE GET PAID OVERTIME. HARRIET TELL US WHEN YOU'RE
READY. >> I THOUGHT THERE WAS A MOTION
OUT THERE EARLIER. >> THAT'S JUST ADAM TALKING.
>> I SHOULD BE THE SAME THING. >> I SHOULD BE BASICALLY THE
SAME THING. >> JUST KIND OF DIFFERENT WORDING. SECURE THE BUILDING IS ONE BY THE 10TH. CITY MAINTAIN COMPLAIN.
30 DAYS FOR THE REST OF THE VIOLATIONS UNDER 42.117.
>> CORRECT. >> YOU MENTIONED THE DATE FOR
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THE FINES. $50 A DAY.THAT WOULD BE A APPLY FORD EACH TIER.
IF THEY DON'T BY 10TH OF DECEMBER.
$50 A DAY. UNTIL THE CITY BRINGS IT INTO -- AND AN ADDITIONAL $50 FOR THE REMAINDER OF 42-117.
WHICH WOULD BE ASSESSED DAY 31 IF WE'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE.
I HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT ONE. >> LET'S JUST SAY JANUARY WE'LL PUT THE 4TH BECAUSE IT'S A MONDAY.
FOR COMPLIANCE. COMPLIANCE BEGINS JANUARY 5TH OF 2021, IF NOT IN FULL COMPLIANCE. JANUARY 5TH.
I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT. I HAVE TO LOOK AT IT REWORD IT.
>> I CAN COME BY TOMORROW IF YOU WANT.
DOES THAT MAKE IT EASIER. >> WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE SAID.
>> WE CAN SEPARATE IT TOO AND DO THE ONE TIER.
>> NO. WHO -- I H MAKE A MOTION.
>> THERE'S A SECOND BY MISS CROWE.
>> LIKE HARRY MET SALLY. THE MOTION AS PROPOSED BY THE
BOARD ALL THOSE IN FAVOR. >> AYE.
>> ANY OPPOSED? >> MOTION CARRIES.
THAT TAKES CARE OF THIS CASE. COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS TO TAKE CARE OF. I WAS INFORMED THAT MR. BYRD IS
[5.1 BOARD APPOINTMENTS - Recommendation of appointments: Reappointment of Member Shults; Appointment of Alternate Member Thompson to the seat vacated by Member Chapman; Appointment of Alternate Member Fotiades to the seat vacated by Member Byrd.]
LEAVING. THAT'S CORRECT.>> THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO TO KEEP HIM HERE.
>> WHERE ARE YOU GOING? NOWHERE.
>> IF YOU ARE GOING NOWHERE. THIS IS THE BEST PLACE TO BE.
>> MR. BIRTH WOULD LIKE YOU RETHINK AFTER TONIGHT?
>> NO, THANK YOU. >> ONCE HE REMOVED THE TRAILER FROM DRIVEWAY. THERE'S NOTHING ELSE.
>> HIS WORK IS DONE. >> HIS WORK IS DONE.
>> AND SO THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION THAT MEMBER SHULTS TIME ON THE BOARD IS UP; IS THAT CORRECT?
>> DO WE NEED TO RECOMMEND REAPPOINTMENT?
>> SAID REAPPOINTMENT? >> 5.1 ON YOUR PROGRAM.
>> MEMBER THOMPSON WOULD TAKE MEMBER CHAPMAN'S PLACE.
>> WE CAN MAKE THAT IN FORM OF MOTION.
THERE'S A MOTION. THERE'S A SECOND FROM ANYBODY
>> AYE. >> I ASKED THE CITY MANAGER WHEN PEOPLE WERE LEAVING THE BOARD. FORGIVE ME.
GO AHEAD. >> THIS THE REAL QUICK.
I'M NOT GOING TO CRY. >> I'M HAPPY FOR HIM.
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I JUST WANTED TO SAY EYE I'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY FOR 13 YEARS.A LITTLE BIT OVER. AND YOU HAVE BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR AT LEAST THAT LONG. BUT HOW LONG EXACTLY HAS IT
BEEN? >> I WAS A CHART MEMBER.
>> HOW LONG IS THAT? >> 17 YEARS.
>> 17 YEARS ON THIS BOARD. >> YOU DESERVE A MEDAL.
>> I WANT TO THANK YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART FOR YOUR
SERVICE. >> IT'S A THANKLESS JOB.
IT'S A HARD JOB. AND YOU'VE DONE WONDERFULLY.
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> OF COURSE.
>> YOU WILL BE MISSED. >> I TOLD YOU.
>> INDEED. >> LIKE A SORE THUMB.
>> ONE QUICK QUESTION BEFORE WE GO, OVER PORTION OF MY CAREER FLIES TO FIND OUT WHAT PEOPLE DID WITH MY DECISIONS ON APPEAL.
ON THE RAINY CASE I DON'T RECALL WHAT THE ACTUAL ASSESSMENT AND FINES WERE. FINES RUN UP TO I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DOLLAR AMOUNT. THIS CLOSE ENOUGH.
17,000 AND CHANGE. IT HAD BEEN OVER A YEAR OF THE FINES RUNNING AT $50 A DAY. $50 A DAY.
THE RAINIES APPROACHED THE CITY AND I'M NOT SURE IF THEY CONTACTED CODE ENFORCEMENT FIRST OR ANYWAY AFTER ALL THIS TIME THEY LIKELY I DON'T KNOW THIS FOR SURE -- I UNDERSTAND THEY ARE DOING WORK ON THEIR HOUSE. THEY WENT FOR A LOAN AND TITLE SEARCH. AND IT PICKED THE LIEN THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY HAD FROM THIS CASE.
>> EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE FINED TWO YEARS AGO.
>> YES. AS IS THERE RIGHT THEY CAME TO CITY COMMISSION FOR REQUEST OF REDUCTION OF FINES WHICH IS TOTALLY OUT OF OUR HANDS. BECAUSE THE STATE LAW SAID THEY HAVE TO GO TO COMMISSION FOR THAT.
>> COULD YOU TELL US WHAT THE COMMISSION REDUCED THE 17,000
FINE TO? >> IT WAS 17,000 IN FINE, PLUS I BELIEVE 250 IN FEES. ADMINISTRATIVE FEES.
SO THE TOTAL INCLUDING ADMINISTRATIVE FEES WAS $350.
>> AND THE RAINIES DID COME TO THE SECOND COMMISSION MEETING BECAUSE THE FIRST ONES THE FIRST MEETING NOVEMBER AND THEY WERE NOT THERE. THERE WERE COMMISSIONERS THAT DISCUSSED AND I DON'T WANT TO SAY IT -- YES.
BUT IT WASN'T JUST ONE. >> THEY FELT THAT I THINKOVER ALL AND THIS WAS THE IMPORTANT THING THAT COMES OUT OF IT.
IS NUMBER ONE THEY WERE COMPLIMENTARY OF THE CODE BOARD AND CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT AND YOUR WORK.
BUT SECONDLY, THEY FELT THAT PROPERTY OWNERS DO NOT RECEIVE BEYOND THE FINDINGS OF FACT, THE COMPLIANCE LETTER AND YOU HAVE THIS LONG OR THE FINES WILL START ON THIS DATE, THEY FELT THAT PROPERTY OWNERS DO NOT RECEIVE ENOUGH NOTICE FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAVE IN THE CASES WE HAD TONIGHT WHERE SOME HAVE 90 DAYS OR LET'S JUST -- I WILL TAKE THE GASS'S.
THEY HAVE UNTIL MAY 1ST. THE CITY COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO SEE. I'M NOT SAYING ALL OF THEM.
BUT A MAJORITY, PROBABLY, BELIEVE THAT IN OUR CASES IN ADDITION TO SENDING THE COMPLIANCE LETTER WE SHOULD SEND SOMETHING JUST PRIOR TO THOSE FINES GOING INTO EFFECT TO SAY NO, NO. WE'RE REALLY SERIOUS.
THE FINES ARE GOING TO START ON THIS DATE.
AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS EXPLANATION OF WHAT IT MEANS.
YOU WILL HAVE A LIEN ON YOUR PROPERTY AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE FOLLOW STATE LAW. THE STATE LAW OUR PROCEDURES
DON'T GO FAR ENOUGH. >> EVEN THOUGH THE LETTER WE WILL SIGN THIS ORDER FROM THIS BOARD SAYS FINES WILL GO INTO EFFECT DAY CERTAIN AND THEY WILL BE LIEN ON YOUR PROPERTY; THEY WOULD LIKE A SECOND LETTER FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT THAT SAYS IN 30 DAYS THIS FINE WILL START OR SHORTER TIME PERIODS AND IN ONE WEEK THE FINES WILL START. AND WE WILL FILE A LIEN ON THE PROPERTY IF THE FINES ARE PAID AND THE PROPERTY NOT IN
COMPLIANCE. >> YOU GUYS DISCUSS THAT?
IT'S CLERICAL. >> MY OPINION IS THAT IT'S CUT
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AND DRY. THEY RECEIVED PROPERNOTIFICATION. >> THERE'S NO QUESTION.
THEY KNEW THEY WERE IN VIOLATION.
THEY KNEW THE FINES. >> IF THEY ARE GOING TO BE A BODY THAT REVIEW THE FINES AND YOU WANT THE INTEGRITY OF THE FINES TO STAY AND NOT HAVE SITUATION IN WHICH 17,000 GOES TO $315 OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER WAS, THEN SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE BOSSES HAPPY. IF YOU SEND OUT FINDING OF FACT FIRST-CLASS MAIL. WHAT SAYS THAT YOU SEND OUT ANOTHER FIRST-CLASS LETTER THEY WILL GET THAT ONE?
>> I BELIEVE IT'S COMPLIES WITH THE STATUTE AND I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. HOWEVER THE PEOPLE WOULD LIKE WINDOW DRESSING. WE PROBABLY NEED TO GIVE THEM CANDY FLOSS AND WINDOW DRESSING. OTHER WE WILL BE BACK IN THE
SAME SITUATION. >> WE JUST PUT THAT IN SYSTEM FOR FILING 90 DAYS THE CITY FILES.
>> OR 30-DAYS BEFORE THE -- BEFORE -- THE GOING INTO EFFECT. IN 30 DAYS THE LIEN WILL GO INTO EFFECT. I DON'T HAVE TO WORK ON IT
WE'RE HAVE A SYSTEM WITH 90 DAYS.
WE JUST ADD THAT IN AT 60 DAYS. AND LIKE TAMMY SAID, THAT WAY WE CAN SATISFY THE CITY COMMISSION WANTING US TO SEND A LETTER, NO, REAL WE WERE SERIOUS WHEN WE TOLD YOU THE FIRST TIME.
>> YOUR CALL IS IMPORTANT TO US. PLEASE STAY ON THE LINE.
NOT QUITE. IT JUST -- IF WE BELIEVE THAT WHAT WE ARE DOING IS CORRECT IN TERMS OF ASSESSING FINES AND DOING THOSE THINGS. AND THE PEOPLE GOING TO REVIEW IT HAVE EXPRESSED A CONCERN THAT COULD BE TAKEN CARE OF CLAIRECALLY. WHY NOT DO IT?
>> I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THAT. >> I WANT TO BE CLEAR, BECAUSE THESE CERTIFIED MAILINGS ARE VERY EXPENSIVE.
IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE DONE BY CERTIFIED MAIL.
IT COULD BE REGULAR. >> YES, MR. BOYD.
>> I WOULD SUGGEST TO CITY COUNCIL THEY SPEND 17 YEAR ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD AND THEY CAN DETERMINE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SERIOUS ABOUT IT AND THE ONES THAT ARE NOT.
>> OR 23 YEARS. >> THE PEOPLE THAT DO NOT TAKE SERIOUS, ARE THE ONES THAT WIND UP WITH $17,000 FINE.
THE PEOPLE THAT TAKE IT SERIOUSLY GIVE US A TIME FRAME WHEN THEY BRING -- TO BRING THEIR PROPERTY IN COMPLIANCE AND THERE'S NO ISSUES. IT WOULD BE TOTALLY AGAINST PROVIDING ANYBODY ELSE WITH ADDITIONAL WORK FOR THE CITY CLERIC AND THE CITY THIS AND THE CITY THAT.
TO PROVIDE A LETTER THAT SAYS IF YOU DON'T PAY BY TOMORROW, YOUR FINES WILL START. THEY ARE ALREADY KNOW THAT.
THAT'S BEEN SENT A NOTICE. THE CASES THAT COME HAVE BEEN GOING TWO OR THREE YEARS. 8 MONTHS.
THEY ARE NOT 30-DAY OLD CASES. THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE AWARE OF THE SITUATION. THEY DON'T DESERVE ANY MORE
NOTICE. >> YOU KNOW -- I'M -- OKAY WITH REDUCING THE FIND. APIECE THE PROPERTY OWNER CONTINUE TO SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS. WE'RE NOT HERE TO SOLVE THEIR PROBLEMS. WE'RE HERE TO ENFORCE THE CODE OR NOT TO ENFORCE THE CODE.
>> IN KIND OF PROVE LPROFOLACIT WAY.
I DIDN'T REALLY KNOW. >> THEY WILL STILL MAKE THE
ARGUMENTS. >> THEY WILL STICK MAKE THE
ARGUMENT. >> AT LEAST YOU CAN SAY.
>> THEY'VE KNOWN FOR MONTHS. >> I AGREE WITH YOU, MR. BOYD,
HOWEVER >> NOBODY DISAGREES WITH THAT.
WE'RE TRYING TO ELIMINATE -- >> LET'S NOT PUT WORK ON ANYBODY
ELSE. >> I DON'T THINK WE CAN CONTROL
THAT. >> THEY'VE HAD SEVERAL NOTICES.
THEY STILL DON'T DO IT. THEY DON'T DESERVE MORE NOTICE.
>> I'M NOT LOOKING AT IT FROM THE HOMEOWNER'S PERSPECTIVE.
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WE DO THIS TO HELP THE COMMISSIONER FEEL BETTER ABOUT UPHOLDING THE FINES. WHEN THE HOME OWNER SAID GOSH,DY DIDN'T KNOW. THEY CAN GET A COPY OF FINDING AND SEND THAT TO THEM. THEY CAN DO THAT.LET'S REMEMBER THE CITY COMMISSION --
>> WE BEEN TALKING TO YOU BEFORE.
WE WILL GIVE YOU ANOTHER 90 DAYS.
COUPLE OF DAY BEFORE THAT WE WILL SEND YOU LETTER.
IT'S A WASTE OF TIME. >> I DON'T WE CAN CONTROL THE CITY COMMISSION. AND SINCE OTHER FOLKS REPORT TO THE CITY COMMISSION NEITHER AS CHARTER OFFICERS OR OTHER THEY CAN MAKE THE DECISION. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IT'S NOT A DIFFICULT THING IF IT'S SOLVES A PROBLEM WITH THE OTHER END.
THE CITY COMMISSION NEEDS TO BUN TO SPEND IT.
NOT TELL MISS HARRIET TO SPEND IT.
THEY NEED TO SEND. LET THEM SEND IT.
WHEN SOMEONE COMES BEFORE THE BOARD.
THEY'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR SEVERAL MONTHS.
THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE SEE. FOR SEVERAL MONTHS.
THEY'VE BEEN INFORMED. ON WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN AND WHAT TAKES PLACE. THERE'S NO EXCUSE FOR IT.
>> IT USED TO BE REDUCTION OF FINE WAS OUR RESPONSIBILITY.
IT WAS HERE. IT WAS THE CITY COMMISSION THAT CHANGED THAT. I NO LONGER HAVE A VOTE.
I'M WITH BUDDY. IF THE CITY COMMISSION WANTS TO
SEND IT OUT, LET THEM. >> I DON'T DISAGREE.
ALL YOU ARE DOING GIVING THEM EXCUSE TO REDUCE FINES AGAIN.
>> WHEN IT COMES TO ELIMINATING THE FINES THE PROPERTIES ARE MOSTLY IN COMPLIANCE. TO GET THE PEOPLE IN COMPLIANCE.
MAKE THEM KEEP THEIR GRASS MOWED AND PAINT THEIR HOUSE.
MOST OF THE TIME WHEN THEY COME BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL THAT'S DONE. PROBABLY NOT FAIR TO SAY 17,000 DOWN TO 350. THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THE 17,000 TO
PAY MORE THAN LIKELY. >> WHAT BOTHERS ME THEM ASKING PEOPLE TO DO ADDITIONAL FAVORS TO THE OWNERS THAT HAVE NEGLECTED FOR SEVERAL MONTHS THE PROCESS.
>> OKAY. >> ALL I WILL DO IS RAISE.
WE'VE DISCUSSED IT. THE CITY MANAGER HEARD THE CITY COMMISSION. THERE ARE CHARTER OFFICERS THAT SIT WITH THE COMMISSION. PEOPLE REPORT TO THE CITY MANAGER AND OTHERS. IF THE CITY MANAGER BELIEFS THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, THAT'S HIS HE CAN SAY WE'VE DISCUSSED IT. AND PEOPLE ARE MULTIPLE OPINIONS
>> IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE WOULD LIKE TO BESIDE SAY GOOD-BYE TO MR. BYRD ONE MORE TIME
>> BYE MR. BYRD. >> ONE LAST THING.
>> I THINK WE NEED TO WISH OUR SECRETARY HER BIRTHDAY TODAY.
>> BEFORE THEY WENT OUT ON THE FIELD, BACK IN THE DAY WHEN THEY GO THREE SUPER BOWLS. BEFORE THEY GOT ON THE FIELD.
WHERE ELSE WOULD YOU RATHER BE RIGHT HERE AND RIGHT NOW.
IF YOU TAKE THAT HOME; SHE'S 29. >> HAPPY BIRTHDAY.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY. >> WE GAVE YOU A WONDERFUL
PRESENT. >> HAPPY HOLIDAYS EVERYBODY.
>> IF WE STAY HERE MUCH LONGER I WILL HAVE A BIRTHDAY.
>> ONE MOMENT, PLEASE. >> MR. WELLS IN YOUR WAY.
>> MR. BYRD THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE ON THE BOARD AND JUST EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE DONE. WE WILL MISS YOU.
>> I'VE ENJOYED WORKING WITH YOU MICHELLE.
>> THANK YOU. >> AND ENJOY RETIREMENT FROM THE MORGUE. [LAUGHTER] ESPECIALLY AFTER TONIGHT. THANKS FOR STICKING WITH US.
WE'LL SEE YOU ALL.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.