Nov 17, 2020 Regular Meeting

[1. CALL TO ORDER]

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>> GOOD EVENING VERSUS THE CITY OF FERNANDINA BEACH MEETING. IT IS 6:00 P.M.

>> WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? >> IF YOU WOULD ALL RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND PLEASE REMAIN STANDING FOR THE INVOCATION.

THIS EVENING WE HAVE BISHOP DR. JOANNE CAMPBELL OF ELM STREET CHURCH OF GOD.

>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC FOR

WHICH IT STANDS AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> HEAVENLY FATHER WE COME BEFORE YOU RECOGNIZING THAT YOU ARE OUR SOURCE AND OUR STRENGTH. WE ARE ASKING GOD THAT YOU WILL BE WITH US AS WE DISCUSS THE BUSINESS OF OUR CITY. WE PRAY THAT YOU WILL BE IN THE MIDST OF US. IF YOU SAID IN YOUR WORD THAT IF WE ACKNOWLEDGE IT YOU WOULD DIRECT OUR PATHS. WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD BRING A SENSE OF UNITY AND LET THERE BE A BOND OF COMMUNITY. EVEN WHEN THERE IS DISCUSSION THAT MAY BE DISGRUNTLED WE PRAY YOU WILL BRING US BACK TO A PLACE OF UNITY WHERE WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION THAT WILL ENABLE US TO DO THE BEST FORMER COMMUNITY AND THE RESIDENTS OF FERNANDINA BEACH.

WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD BLESS OVER CITY LEADERS. GIVE THEM WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING SO THEY CAN ENFORCE THE THINGS THAT WILL BE BENEFICIAL FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. WE PRAY THIS IN THE MIGHTY NAME OF GOD, IN JESUS NAME WE PRAY

AMEN. >> THANK YOU SIR. >> SO WE DO HAVE ONE

[4.1 PROCLAMATION - "RIGHT WHALE MONTH"]

IS HERE. >> IT IS GOOD TO SEE YOU. >> WHEREAS WE BEGAN BY THE LATE 1930S MORE THAN 50,000 WELLS WERE BEING SLAUGHTERED ANNUALLY. MERCIFULLY IN 1986 INTERNATIONAL WILL THE CONVENTION BANNED COMMERCIAL WHALING BECAUSE OF THE DEPLETION OF THE WELFARE WHERE AS THE NORTH ATLANTIC RIGHT WHALE HAS NOT RECOVERED, TODAY LESS THAN 400 EXIST AND THEY ARE UNDER THE ENDANGERED SPECIES ACT AND THE PROTECTION ACT.

SO WHEN IT IS OUT IT TRAVELS TO GEORGIA AND NORTHEAST FLORIDA. THESE AREN'T THE ONLY KNOWN AREAS FOR THE SPEECHES, A PLACE WHERE THEY GIVE BIRTH AND NURSE THEIR YOUNG.

RESEARCH INSTITUTES SAY THEY ARE COMMITTED TO CONSERVATION AND PROTECTION OF THE RIGHT WHALE.

WHEREAS THE RIGHT WHALE FESTIVAL CELEBRATES THE RIGHT WHALE'S NORMAL WARM WATERS.

THIS RAISES AWARENESS TO THE WHALES AND HOW TO AID IN THEIR RECOVERY.

THE FESTIVAL HIGHLIGHTS WILL PROTECT THE WHALES FROM EXTINCTION AS WELL AS EXHIBITS

THAT EMPHASIZE EDUCATION AND ENVIRONMENTAL RESPONSIBILITY. >> BY BY VIRTUE OF THE AUTHORITY INVESTED ME AS MAYOR MAY I PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER, AS NORTH ATLANTIC RIGHT WHALE MONTH. AND I BOWED TO THE CITY TO SUPPORT THE EFFORTS TO PROTECT

THE ANIMALS WHILE THEY ARE IN FLORIDA DURING THEIR SEASON. >> I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYONE IN THE CITY FOR ALL YOU HAVE DONE TO PROTECT THE WHALES. WE ARE SO EXCITED TO BRING IT BACK INTO A 21 TO BE BIGGER AND BETTER THAN EVER. THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR THAT.

>> I WILL SEE LATER. >> OKAY. ITEM FOUR POINTS TO THIS IS OVER

[4.2 BUDGET SUMMARY]

QUESTIONS. >> GOOD EVENING. I AM THE COMPTROLLER.

OCTOBER IS THE FIRST MONTH THAT REPRESENTS A .3 OF THE FISCAL YEAR.

YEAR TO DATE REVENUE IS AT 4% OF THE ANNUAL BUDGET. OVERALL, YEAR TO DATE EXPENSES

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ALL UTILITY FUND REVENUES EXCEED EXPENSES. ALTHOUGH THEY ARE RUNNING JUST

OVER 50,000 FOR THE MONTH. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. >> I JUST HAVE A QUESTION.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PERCENTAGES AND THE LICENSES. THAT IS UP MORE.

IS THAT THE RULE OR WHAT ACCOUNTS FOR THAT? >> THAT'S THE ANNUAL BUSINESS

TAX LICENSING. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> ANYONE ELSE?

[5.1 CONSERVATION / ENVIRONMENT]

>> SECTION FIVE. THIS IS CONSERVATION OF THE ENVIRONMENT.

CITY COMMISSION DISCUSSION. THIS IS PLACED ON THE AGENDA AT THE REQUEST OF COMMISSIONER MIKE

LEDNOVICH. >> CITY MANAGER, THE TOPIC IS TREE CANOPY.

WE HAD THE TREE CANOPY REPORT THAT WE RECEIVED THIS AT THE LAST MEETING.

WE POSTPONED THE DISCUSSION UNTIL TONIGHT TO GIVE EVERYONE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT.

AND, ESSENTIALLY, WE SENT A GOAL, TO HAVE A PLANT DEVELOP TO INCREASE THE CITY'S TREE CANOPY BY 5%, NO LATER THAN FEBRUARY 2024 AND TO HAVE A PLAN PRESENTED TO THE CITY COMMISSION. THEY SUBMITTED A PLAN AND IF YOU WILL RECALL IT WAS TO SPEND $5,000 TO PLANT 92 TREES. WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT, WE SENT IT BACK FOR REVISION.

WE RECEIVED A SECOND PLAN. WE REVIEWED THAT. IT WAS REVISED LAST DECEMBER.

WHAT THESE PLANS LACKED, WAS A BALLPARK FIGURE OF HOW MANY TREES WE NEED TO PLANT IN ORDER TO MEET THE GOAL. SO IN OTHER WORDS, HOW WOULD WE EVER KNOW WE SUCCEEDED AT INCREASING POETRY CANOPY BY 5%. THAT IS UNLESS WE KNOW THE VOLUME OF TREES WE NEED TO PLANT. SO I SENT THAT QUESTION TO THE PLANNING AND CONSERVATION DEPARTMENT. ALONG WITH SOME OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT, WHAT IS THE NUMBER OF TREES AND WHAT IS THE SCHEDULE OF TREE PLANTING OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS.

SO, I AM HOPING THAT WE WILL HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT THIS EVENING.

>> I AM HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. >> GREAT.

>> WELCOME. >> GOOD EVENING. I AM DAVE HOLLY I LIVE IN CALLAHAN, FLORIDA. SO, I DID A LITTLE NUMBERCRUNCHING TODAY TO FIGURE OUT AND TO PUT MORE PRECISE OF AN ANSWER ON THE COMING TREES. THE TRICK IS THEY KEEP MOVING.

EVERY YEAR, THEY GET CLOSER TO YOUR ROOF. AND WE LOSE SOME THROUGH DECLINE. WE PLANT OTHERS. BUT BIG TREES DO NOT BAND -- EXPAND AS QUICKLY AS THE LITTLE TREES. THERE'S A LOT WE CAN SAY BUT I DID LOOK AT HOW MANY TOTAL ACRES WE HAVE IN THE CITY. IF YOU TAKE OUR BOUNDARY, WE HAVE 8,000 ACRES OF LAND AREA THE FORCE ACRES ARE 3100 ROUGHLY.

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THIS IS AN ESTIMATE BASED ON AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHY WHICH, SOME YEARS THE PHOTOGRAPHY IS MORE CRISP AND SOMETIMES IT IS BORING. BUT ROUGHLY WE WOULD HAVE 39% AT THIS TIME. SO IF WE WANTED TO BUMP IT UP TO 44% TO GET THE CANOPY UP, YOU WOULD TAKE THE 8,000 ACRES THAT WE HAVE, I AM OPEN TO REVIEW THE NUMBERCRUNCHING WITH ANYONE I COULD'VE MADE AREA -- ERRORS BUT I BELIEVE IF WE PLANTED 403 ACRES, WE NOW HAVE 44% CANOPY COVERAGE. THAT'S A LOT OF ACREAGE. BUT I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO PLANT THAT MANY TO INCREASE BUT CANOPY SIZE. WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, EVERY TREE IS THIS BIG THIS YEAR. WE PLANTED SOME TREES THAT WILL COME OUT OF THE SIDEWALKS ON VAPOR THEY HAVE DOUBLED IN SIZE THIS WAY AND THAT WAY. SO, THE TREES WILL CONTINUE TO GROW BUT, THE EXISTING CAMPUS THAT WE HAVE, WILL GET BIGGER ERIC THE TREE AS AN EXISTING CANOPY. WE HAVE THE TREES THAT ARE IN DEVELOPMENT.

BUT COMMISSION VOTED RECENTLY INSTEAD OF PRESERVING 20%, WE ARE GOING FOR 50%.

THAT IS A BIG JUMP. IF TAXES WENT FROM 20% TO 50% THERE COULD BE PUSHED BACK.

SO FAR IT HAS BEEN WORKING. THERE ARE A FEW LOTS THAT IT'S NOT FEASIBLE ON MY OLD TOWN WHERE THE SETBACKS ARE ONLY 5 FEET FROM THE LINE. MATHEMATICALLY IT DOES NOT WORK TO SAVE 50% ON THE LOTS WHERE THE SETBACKS ARE SO SMALL. BUT FOR LARGER LOT IT IS EASIER TO DO THAT. THROUGH THIS NEW INITIATIVE TO RETAIN OR REPLANT 50% OF THE DITCHES, THAT WOULD BE IF WE HAD A TREAT THIS BIG THAT WAS 20 INCHES IN DIAMETER.

IF THE TREE WAS THE ONLY ONE ON THE LOT, WE NEED 10 INCHES TO PLANT IT BACK.

NORMALLY IT'S NOT JUST ONE TREE IT IS LOTS OF TREES. SO, THEY ARE TRYING TO RETAIN AND REPLANT AND TO MAKE THAT 50%. THAT WILL INCREASE THE CANOPY COVERAGE. I WOULD SAY, EXISTING TREES GETTING BIGGER, I WOULD SAY, TREES THAT WE ARE SAVING AND DEVELOPMENT THAT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN SAVED UNDER THE OLD 20%.

AND THEN PLANNING IS THE OTHER PART OF IT. THIS YEAR, I FELT LIKE WE PLANTED A FAIR AMOUNT OF TREES. I FELT WE PLANTED 110 TREES THIS YEAR.

AND I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE CAN DO THAT AGAIN AND WE CAN DO BETTER.

BUT AS MY PRESENTATION GOES, I SAID LET'S PLANT AT LEAST 100 TREES EVERY YEAR, AND LET'S

WATCH THE CANOPY EXPAND. >> WE DO LOSE A LOT OF TREES BUT NOT NEARLY AS MANY AS WE RETAIN.

THESE YARDS THAT YOU LIVE IN, MOST PEOPLE HAVE TOO MANY TREES. WHEN I GO THERE I HEAR I HAVE TREES ALL OVER MY ROOF AND THE INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE CALLING ME OR I AM AFRAID OF THIS TREE BECAUSE IT'S ON MY ROOF. A LOT OF TIMES I MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO KEEP THE TREES. BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT A TREE, I CAN'T JUST LOOK AT ONE TREE.

I LOOK AT ALL OF THE TREES. THIS ONE IN YOUR YARD I WOULD CUT THAT BRANCH.

THAT ONE HAS A K ON IT. I MIGHT BE RAMBLING, I'M SORRY. THAT IS MY PLAN.

I AM OPEN FOR SUGGESTIONS AND MAKING THE PLAN. >> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS. SO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION WAS HOW MANY TREES DO WE NEED TO PLANT

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SO, IS THAT THE CORRECT METHODOLOGY FOR WE ORIGINAL THAT I'VE ORIGINALLY HIRED A COMPANY TO DO THE SURVEY. THERE ARE REPORTS THAT IN 2019, THAT WE HAVE LOST 300 ACRES.

A LITTLE MORE 300 ACRES OF CANOPY PARENT FELT, DO WE PRESERVE IT OR DO WE DO BOTH.

IS IT THE NUMBER OF TREES OR IS THE SURVEY MORE ACCURATE. WHAT I AM THINKING DAVE, INTO YEARS DO WE RESURFACE IT. IS THAT MORE ACCURATE THAN SITTING HERE AND HAVE YOU COME UP WITH, IT WILL BE 525 TREES. SO I AM ASKING YOU, WHAT MY THEOLOGY DO YOU THINK MAKES

SENSE? >> DO YOU HAVE SOME SLIDES OF THE TREE CANOPY OR ANYTHING YOU CAN PULL UP? I'M NOT SURE. IF NOT, IT'S A PROBLEM.

I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, THERE ARE SOME HOLES IN IT BASED ON THE PHOTOGRAPHY, I WOULD COMPARE THE ASSESSMENT FROM 2009 TO THE ONE THAT WAS DONE IN 2019. JUST USING THE AERIAL PHOTOS, A LOT OF NATURAL AREAS APPEAR TO HAVE LOST CANOPY. AREAS THAT WERE UNDEVELOPED APPEARED TO LOSE CANOPY. WHEN YOU COMPARE THE PHOTOS, AND I THINK, ANYONE COULD SEE BY COMPARING THE TWO OF THEM, THAT I THINK WE HAVE AN UNFAIR BIAS TOWARDS TODAY BECAUSE MAYBE THE PHOTOGRAPHY WAS MORE CRISP AND IT CAUGHT A LOT MORE GAPS WHERE THE OLDER PHOTOGRAPHY, APPEARS TO BE JUST A SOLID BLANKET OF TREES. BUT THE NEW PHOTOGRAPHY HAS GAPS. SO WE LOST 5% RIGHT THERE. MAYBE 8%.

JUST THIS BIAS THAT SLIPPED THROUGH NOT ONLY THIS AREA BUT THROUGH YOUR BACKYARD AND ACROSS THE CITY TREES. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE LOST 5%, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT MORE ANALYSIS SHOULD BE DONE. THE MAIN THING IS WE WANT TO PLANT AREAS THAT ARE SCREAMING I NEED A TREE HERE. AREAS WHERE, THAT WOULD MAKE IT BEAUTIFUL.

THAT WOULD ADD SHADE. WE DON'T JUST WANT TO FORCE ACROSS CENTRAL PARK.

WE WANT IT TO BE NICE WHERE WE HAVE THE FESTIVALS AND THINGS. PLANNING A TREE WHERE WE NEEDED IS MY GOAL. IT CAN BE 100, IT CAN BE 300 I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE MAY DO IN A

YEAR, BUT I THINK MORE ANALYSIS COULD BE A GOOD THING. >> SO WHAT IS YOUR BEST RECOMMENDATION CORRECTS LET ME KNOW SO WE CAN KNOW IF WE SUCCEEDED.

>> I GUESS MORE PHOTOGRAPHY. YOU COULD ANALYZE IT AGAIN AND AGAIN, BUT, I REALLY THINK THAT -- I DON'T THINK WE LOST 5% JUST LOOKING AT THE PHOTOS MYSELF BUT STILL 5% IS A GOOD GOAL.

THE ONLY THING, IF YOU PLANT 5% IN FIVE YEARS, THE TREES THAT WE PLANTED MAY ONLY BE THAT BIG IN FIVE YEARS OR MORE, BUT IN 40 YEARS, THESE TREES, WE MAY HAVE 5-20%, BUT OF COURSE WE WILL

LOSE SOME TOO. >> IN YOUR REPORT YOU MENTIONED SO FAR, THE 2,018TH 20192020

WE PLANTED 155 TREES. HOW MANY ACRES DOES THAT EQUAL? >> NOT MANY.

MAYBE ONE. >> AND YOU SAID WE NEEDED TO GO UP TO 403.

YES. THERE'S A LOT OF AREAS, I HAVE ANOTHER MAP AND I THINK WE HAVE

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I THINK WE HAVE 40 -- 547% CANOPY COVERAGE IF YOU TAKE THAT OUT RIGHT NOW.

>> OKAY IF WE WERE TO RESURVEY, WHEN DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD DO THIS?

>> WE CAN DO IT YESTERDAY OR TOMORROW OR WHEN NEVER BECAUSE THERE ARE DIFFERENT AERIALS WE

CAN LOOK AT. >> WHAT TIME OF THE YEAR IS THE BEST TO DO THIS?

>> I WOULD SAY IN THE SUMMER WHEN YOU HAVE THE CANOPIES THAT ARE FULL.

THAT'S USUALLY WHEN PHOTOGRAPHY OCCURS. SOMETIMES YOU WILL NOTICE EVERYTHING LOOKS GREAT. AND THE SWAMPS TURNED GREAT BECAUSE EVERYTHING DROPS INTO

LEAVES. >> IN YOUR PLANT YOU TALKED ABOUT 100 TREES WERE 2020 AND 100 TREES NEXT YEAR END 100 TREES THE FOLLOWING YEAR. DO YOU THINK 500 TREES PLANTED

WILL GIVE US THEIR CORRECTS. >> WITH THE HELP OF OUR FRIENDS THAT ARE HERE CURRENTLY, I THINK

THAT IS A POSSIBILITY. >> ALL OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS WILL LOSE TREES AND YOU THINK THEY LOST THE TREES BUT WE PRETTY MUCH DID IN SOME AREAS YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE PAGES IN THE REPORT WHERE THE LARGE DEVELOPMENTS CAME BUT THESE TREES ARE GROWING AND FILLING IN, ALMOST BREAKING OUT OF THE SEAMS AND SOME OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THEY BEEN PLANTED. I'M THEN ASKED THE CITY MANAGER QUESTION.

IN THE BUDGET, THE ORIGINAL SURVEY WAS $7,000. IS THERE MONEY IN THE TREE FUN TO DO A SURVEY NEXT YEAR. WE CAN PROBABLY LOOK TO SEE WHAT IS AVAILABLE I DON'T KNOW IF

ANYTHING IS AVAILABLE BUT IF WE CAN USE THOSE FUNDS YES. >> I HAVE A QUESTION.

>> TO CUT DOWN A TREE UNIT APARTMENT? SO I DID NOT DO THE CALCULATIONS FOR HOW MANY ARE IN EVERYONE'S YARDS BUT I DID LOOK AT HOW MANY OF THE CITY HAD DONE AND I HAD 24 PERMITS IN 2019 AND 42 AND 2020 EVERY NOW AND THEN A REMOVAL PERMIT MAY HAVE TO TREES BUT USUALLY IT IS JUST FOR ONE YOU CAN SAY MAYBE 30 TREES MAYBE 50 AND 2020 AND THAT IS JUST ON

CITY PROPERTY. ABOUT THE REST OF THE CITY. >> I CAN'T COUNT THAT HIGH MY POINT IS, WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER SURVEY THAT IS JUST WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY.

WE WOULD NEED TO PLANT TREES LET'S TAKE THE $7,000 AND PLANT TREES.

WHY DON'T WE, INSTEAD OF GETTING A SURVEY AND MEASURING THINGS LET'S PLANT THE TREES.

>> THAT IS A GOOD IDEA, I LIKE PLANTING TREES. THAT IS A GOOD USE OF FUNDS BUT IF PEOPLE ARE CURIOUS, WE CAN DO MORE STUDIES VICE MAYOR LEN KREGER?

>> I AGREE, WE DON'T NEED TO DO ANYMORE STUDIES, WE WILL GET THIS.

I WAS HERE IN 2009 I WAS IN 2019 IF ANYTHING, THERE'S MORE CANOPIES.

IT WENT JUST THE OPPOSITE. EXCEL, TAKE THAT MONEY AND PLANT TREES.

THE QUESTION IS WHERE DO YOU PLANT THEM AND WHERE DO WE PLANT THEM THAT ARE IT WILL BE APPROPRIATE. AS WE MOVE ON, AS THE DEVELOPMENT MOVE FORWARD WE ARE MORE LIKELY TO GET IT IN THESE SMALLER LOTS WHICH IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO MEET THE 50%.

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THOSE TREES CAN BE REMOVED BY STATE LAW BUT WE SHOULD HAVE A PLAN WHERE WE ARE NOT DOING

THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. ANYONE ELSE? >> THAT IS ALL I HAVE.

>> ITEM 542. THANK YOU MR. MAYOR. MARK COMMENT ON THE WATERFRONT

[5.2 WATERFRONT DEVELOPMENT]

MARQUISE LATTIMORE GAVE US THE INPUT FROM THE PORTABLE. THEY ALSO RECEIVED OUR INPUT AND THEY ARE CONTINUING TO SEE INPUT TO DO A REDESIGN. WHAT THEY DON'T HAVE, THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PARAMETERS AROUND THE BUDGET THE ORIGINAL DESIGN WAS $7.1 MILLION.

I ALMOST FELL OUT OF MY CHAIR AND THEY SAID THAT I DON'T THINK ANYONE ON THIS COMMISSION WILL APPROVE A $7.1 MILLION WATERFRONT PARK. SO, WE ARE ASKING THEM TO MAKE DESIGN MARKET PLACES WITHOUT ANY CONSTRAINTS. NO MONETARY CONSTRAINTS AT ALL.

AND SO, WE ARE GOING DOWN THE SAME PATH OF THEY CAN MAKE THESE MODIFICATIONS PRESENT THIS PLANT TO US AND THEY MADE DESIGN A $4 MILLION STOP IN AND WE MAY FALL OUT OF OUR CHAIRS AGAIN.

SO AT SOME POINT, I THINK THIS COMMISSION NEEDS TO GIVE HIM SOME GUIDANCE ON HOW MUCH WE ARE WILLING TO COMMIT TO SPEND ON A WATERFRONT PARK. IF WE DO THAT AND ELEMENTS, THE SOUTH ELEMENT THE MIDDLE ELEMENT THE NORTH ELEMENT, THAT IS FINE. BUT RIGHT NOW, THEY HAVE NOTHING TO GO ON OTHER THAN OUR INPUT THE BANDSHELL ITSELF, YOU COULD HAVE A ONE MILLION-DOLLAR BANDSHELL OR YOU COULD HAVE A 30,000 DOLLARS BANDSHELL BUT THEY DON'T KNOW.

RIGHT NOW THEY ARE GUESSING. THAT IS THE ONLY.I HAVE ON THE WATERFRONT PARK I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT GO ON THIS LINE WE HAVE A LOT OF ELEMENTS ON THE WATERFRONT ONE IS THE STABILIZATION WHICH THE ORIGINAL ESTIMATE WAS $27 MILLION AMOUNTS DOWN TO 20 MILLION AND I'M SURE THAT WILL CHANGE AS WE GO. THERE WAS DISCUSSION ON FEDERAL MONEY THERE IS NO FEDERAL MONEY AVAILABLE FOR THAT. WE DO HAVE THE WATERFRONT THAT WAS ORIGINALLY $48 MILLION.

WE HAVE A STORMWATER PROJECT THAT WILL BE PAID FOR WITH STATE MONEY WHEN HURRICANE MONEY.

WE HAVE RAILROAD CROSSINGS WE HAD SOME UNDERGROUND WHICH WE HAVE THE MONEY AND THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. ALL OF THE OTHER MONEY I HAD IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN EXCEPT WE HAVE HUNDRED $27,000 LEFT FOR THE STABILIZATION THAT STABILIZATION, EVEN THOUGH THE PARK THERE IS SOME SYNERGISTIC WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT LEFT, MAYBE 200 SOMETHING THOUSAND AND THE IMPACT FUNDS AND WE HAVE ASKED FOR $500,000 WHICH WE MAY OR MAY NOT GET.

WE HAVE ENOUGH WORDS OF MONEY A COUPLE OF OTHER ISSUES OUT THERE.

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FOR THE CHARTER. >> WE HAVE NOT SET A DATE, WE WILL COME BACK.

>> THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT THEY WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY ON.

THE TRUTH IS WE DON'T HAVE TO DO ANY. WE CAN PUT UP SIGNS AS CHIP SAID, THEY CAN GO THROUGH HERE THAT WILL BE PARTIALLY ILLUMINATED BY THE STORM WATER.

BUT, MONEY, WHERE WEAKENING THE MONEY, I THINK WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

THERE ARE GRANTS OUT THERE BUT NOT A LOT WE CAN GET WERE NOT IN A GREAT POSITION BECAUSE SOUTH FLORIDA IS IN A CRITICAL POSITION AND THEY HAVE MORE POWER.

I AM JUST SUGGESTING THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT THIS AND MOVE FORWARD.

IT WOULD BE INTERESTING BECAUSE, WE DO A LOT OF SURVEYS, LET'S LET THE REGISTERED VOTERS, VOTE

ON THE MONEY WE ARE TAXING THEM TO SPEND. >> JUST TO PROVIDE SOME TIMELINE AND LEGAL ISSUES. IF YOU WANTED TO PUT A STRONG -- STRAW BALLOT MEETING ASKING THE PEOPLE FOR THEIR APPROVAL OF A WATERFRONT PARK THAT WE ESTIMATE WOULD COST S -- X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS WE CAN DO THAT. IF WE WANTED TO DO A REPRIMAND HIM REQUIRED BY LAW WHERE THE CITY WOULD ASK IF THE TAXPAYERS WANT TO PLEDGE TAX DOLLARS AND DO A GENERAL BOND WE WOULD NOT HAVE TIME BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF LEGAL REQUIREMENTS. JUST SO YOU KNOW THE TIMELINE.

>> THANK YOU. >> ITEM 5.3 PAIR VEREEN APPEARED >> ITEM 5.4.

OCEAN HIGHWAY IMPORT AUTHORITY THIS ITEM WAS PLACED ON THE AGENDA AT THE REQUEST OF

[5.5 COVID-19]

COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> WE CAN GO ON. >> ITEM 5.5 COVID.

>> I PUT TOGETHER A SLIDE FOR THE COMMISSION TO SEE. SO, THE TOP BARS ARE FROM OUR PREVIOUS MEETING. AND THE BOTTOM BARS ARE AS UP-TO-DATE.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE. WHAT'S GOING ON HERE IS, NOT AS BAD AS WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE REST OF THE COUNTRY BUT IT IS NOT AS GOOD AS FAR AS HAVING THE PANDEMIC UNDER CONTROL.

YOU CAN SEE THE SPIKES THAT WE HAVE HIT. MY THOUGHT IS WE WOULD HIT A BRIGHT SPOT WITH FEWER CASES. BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, IT IS PRETTY CONSISTENT AROUND 17-20 PER DAY.

THAT IS WHERE WE ARE. >> I DON'T WANT TO SAY ANYTHING NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO ITEMS

THAT DEAL WITH COVID LATER ON. BUT THE NUMBERS ARE NOT GREAT. >> OKAY.

ITEMS NOT ON THE AGENDA OR THE CONSENT AGENDA. THE TURKEY TROT.

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>> THE TURKEY TROT IS ON HERE? TANGIBLE COME BACK TO YOU. >> OKAY.

THERE IS A CONSENT AGENDA BUT THAT IS A MISPRINT BECAUSE UNDER THEIR WE HAVE NOTHING.

SO THAT IS ALL. >> ONTO SECTION EIGHT RESOLUTIONS ITEM A .1

[8.1 (Quasi- Judicial) HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNCIL APPEAL – FIRST PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH – RESOLUTION 2020-171]

A LITTLE GUIDANCE THERE IS, FIRST THE PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH WILL PRESENT THEIR APPEAL.

THEY WILL BE ON THE RECORD CREATING A RECORD SO YOUR TESTIMONY -- EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY IS ALL THEY CAN HEAR AND USED TO WAIVE THE EVIDENCE. ANY EVIDENCE THE CITY PRESENTS, I KNOW YOU HAVE DOCUMENTS, AND THOSE WILL BE CONSIDERED PART OF THE RECORD TOO.

I WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT BILLS ON BEHALF OF THE CITY AND THE APPLICANT IF THAT IS OKAY.

YOU'VE ALREADY FILE YOUR APPEAL. FIRST THE APPELLANT. THE CHURCH WILL SPEAK THEN CITY STAFF WILL RESPOND. I THINK THE CITY STAFF POINTS WILL BE BRIEF.

THERE ARE THREE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO DECIDE TONIGHT. YOU HAVE TO LIMIT YOUR DECISION TO THESE THREE THINGS. I WILL SAY THIS AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT IT IS NOT MEANT TO BE UGLY. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU THINK AS IN THIS IS COOL OR THIS NOT COOL, THAT IS NOT RELEVANT TO YOUR DECISION. WE WILL USE DUE PROCESS AND DETERMINE IF IT WAS AFFORDED AT THE COUNCIL. WE WILL DESCRIBE WHETHER THE ESSENTIAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAW WERE FOLLOWED WHEN THEY MADE THEIR DECISION.

THAT INCLUDES OF COURSE, WHETHER OR NOT THEY HELD THE PROPER QUASIJUDICIAL HEARING.

WHETHER OR NOT, LOW LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OR THE HISTORIC DISTRICT GUIDELINES, THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR STANDARDS ALL OF THOSE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE USED WHERE THEY MAKE THEIR

DECISION. >> YOU MAY SEE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS AND DESIGNS BUT THE INTERIOR, OF THE BUILDING OR THE NEW SPACE AND THE CONFIGURATION. I SUBMIT TO YOU THAT WHAT'S HAPPENING ON ANY BUILDING IS NOTHING THE COUNCIL IS SUPPOSED TO BE DECIDING ON.

THEY ARE ONLY DECIDING EXTERIOR DESIGN. MAKE SURE YOU FOCUS ON THE OUTSIDE AND NOT BE OUTSIDE. IT'S REALLY NOT RELEVANT TO THEIR DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT THEY FOLLOW. THE THIRD THING THAT YOU WILL DECIDE WHETHER THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNSEL HAD EVIDENCE TO MAKE THEIR DECISION. YOU WILL HEAR SOME MORE OF THAT EVIDENCE TONIGHT BUT I SUBMIT TO YOU, THIS IS NOT THE TIME AND ALL OF THE EVIDENCE WILL BE PRESENTED. THAT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE. YOU ARE HERE AS AN APPELLATE BODY. WE HAVE OTHER BOARDS THAT THE APPEAL GOES STRAIGHT TO COURT.

SO IF THERE WAS AN APPEAL AFTER THIS, THERE WOULD BE A DIFFERENT STANDARD AND YOU ARE THE FIRST STEP. SO YOU WOULD DO EXACTLY WHAT A COURT WOULD DO.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONER OR MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE ABOUT WHAT YOU WILL BE DECIDING? TANGENTIAL IT IS CLEAR, THIS IS A HEARING BASED ON THE RECORD THAT HAS BEEN CREATED AND THE TWO HEARINGS THAT WERE HELD PREVIOUSLY.

THE ONLY THING THAT CAN BE PUT INTO EVIDENCE IS WHAT HAS BEEN PUT INTO EVIDENCE.

>> CRACK. THE ONLY QUESTIONS ARE WHAT YOU CALL QUESTIONS OF LAW, IS DO THEY FOLLOW DUE PROCESS. DID THEY USE THE RIGHT STANDARDS FOR WORD THE PEOPLE WHO APPLIED

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-- >> YOU CAN'T APPROVE THE APPEAL PAIR.

>> AND I WILL ALSO SAY SO YOU DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU ARE UNDER THE GUN.

I KNOW EVERYONE WANTS A DECISION. THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION WE GET THIS IN ADVANCE. MAYBE IF YOU YOUR ARGUMENT YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE YOUR DECISION TONIGHT. IT WOULD BE GREAT BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO.

YOU CAN ALWAYS DO IT LATER. YOU CAN CONTINUE THE HEARING TO WHICHEVER MEETING YOU CHOOSE WITH HOWEVER MUCH TIME YOU NEED. DON'T FEEL PRESSURED TO MAKE A DECISION.

IF YOU CAN YOU CAN. I DO TALK ABOUT AT THE OTHER BOARD MEETINGS THE NUMBER OF VOTES REQUIRED TO PASS A MOTION IT IS A SIMPLE MAJORITY WHETHER TO APPROVE OR DENY.

ANY QUESTIONS? >> I WAS AT BOTH OF THE HEARINGS.

>> AND I JUST WANTED TO SAVE FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW LEGAL TERMS, THE TERM IS LIKE NEW.

THAT MEANS THE COURT OR YOU ALL, THAT MEANS YOU ARE CARRYING ON A BRAND-NEW HEARING AND HEARING EVIDENCE IF YOU HAVE NOTHING ELSE IN FRONT OF YOU.

WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS WHAT YOU WILL CONSIDER. YOU MAY HAVE TESTIMONY BUT YOU

ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO REPEAT ANYTHING NEW. >> THANK YOU.

AS THE ATTORNEY FOR THE CITY COMMISSION IF I SENT UP TO SAY, IF YOU SEE ME STANDING UP, WE WON'T BE RUDE BUT I AM OBJECTING TO WHATEVER EVIDENCE BUT I WILL ASK YOU TO KEEP IT RELEVANT.

>> I HAVE SOME MORE WE ALL GOT SOME E-MAILS TODAY. THEY BASICALLY SUPPORTED THE HDC. I WE HAVE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE MEMBER.

I JUST LISTEN TO WHAT THEY HAD TO SAY AND GAVE NO COMMENT. >> I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE

HDC CHAIR. I WAS ALSO AT BOTH OF THESE >> TO BE CLEAR, EXPORTS A IS THE

CITY AND THE APPLICANT. >> IT'S GREAT TO HEAR THE OTHER STUFF BUT YOU ONLY HAVE TO DISCUSS IF YOU TALK WITH ANYONE FROM THE CITY WORKING ON THE APPLICANT.

>> I TALKED TO THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD. I GOT AN E-MAIL FROM TAMMY AND ARLENE. AND I WAS AT ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS.

>> I TALKED TO THE CHAIR FOR ABOUT 5 MINUTES ABOUT THIS. >>

>> IF YOU THINK YOU WILL SPEAK RISE IN THE CITY MANAGER WILL ADMINISTER THE OATH.

>> RATIO WRITE HANDS PLEASE. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THE STATEMENTS YOU ARE GOING TO PRESENT TO THE COMMISSION DURING THIS PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE TRUTHFUL AND ACCURATE?

>> YES. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M NOTICING WE HAVE STANDING

PEOPLE IN THE BACK. THIS IS A NO STANDING ZONE. >> IS THAT WHAT I SAID.

>> NO STANDING ZONE. >> GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS RENEE RICE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT. HOPEFULLY THIS WILL BE THE BEGINNING OF AN END OF A LONG RETRACTED PROCESS THAT THE FIRST BIRTH PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH HAS BEEN WORKING ON WITH 515 CENTER STREET. AS YOU MAY KNOW THROUGH OUR DOCUMENTATION THEY HAVE THEIR

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THEY APPROACH SOME ARE FIRM ABOUT A YEAR AGO AND ASKED US TO HELP THEM PROVIDE A PLAN THAT COULD THEN BE DONE TO FACILITATE THEIR MISSION TO THE YOUTH OF THE COMMUNITY.

WE DID THAT, AND PRESENTED THAT PLAN TO THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COUNSEL, NOT ONCE, BUT MULTIPLE TIMES. WITH EACH TIME THAT WE INTRODUCE THE PROJECT TO THEM, WE CONTINUED TO WORK WITH THEM TO MAKE MODIFICATIONS THAT WOULD MAKE THEIR APPROACH MORE PALATABLE. AND WE DID THIS BASICALLY IN A WAY THAT I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE IMAGES HAVE GONE BEYOND -- BEYOND THE LETTER OF THE LAW. THIS IS NOT A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE TO THE DOWNTOWN HISTORICAL DISTRICT. THERE IS NOTHING FOR THE COUNCIL TO SAY THAT THEY CAN TEAR THIS BUILDING DOWN IF THEY SO CHOOSE. THEY HAVE DONE WHAT A GOOD MODERN PERSON WOULD DO. THIS NEEDS TO CHANGE AS LIFE CHANGES.

AS THE NEEDS CHANGE. YOU CAN SEE WITH THE PRESENTATION WHAT WE PRESENTED FOR THE FIRST ALTERATION, SOMETHING MORE MODERN THAN PUTTING THIS INTO SOME SORT OF A BOX AND KEEPING IT IN AN UNCHANGED STATE WHICH IS WHAT MODERN ARCHITECTURE IS.

WE HAVE CERTAIN POINTS OF THE LAW THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION AND WITHOUT

FURTHER ADO, MARK. >> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MARK AKINS.

I LIVE ON I AM LOCATED GATEWAY BOULEVARD. WE BEGAN THIS PROCESS SOME TIME AGO. IN FACT A YEAR AGO. OF COURSE, COVID INTERRUPTED THIS TO SOME DEGREE. AND REALLY PUT IT ON HOLD FOR THE SUMMER.

I WANTED TO CALL OUT A FEW THINGS AND MAYBE EXPAND ON THEM A LITTLE BIT IN A LETTER WE WROTE TO THE CITY COMMISSION. AND REALLY, LET ME DO ONE THING. COULD YOU CLARIFY, BEFORE I GET INTO THIS. YOU MENTIONED THREE THINGS THEY NEEDED TO VOTE ON OR TO DECIDE UPON. I WAS UNCLEAR AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY NEED TO HAVE ALL THREE

IN LINE OR DO THEY HAVE INDIVIDUALS. >> THEY HAVE TO FIND THAT THE

HDC AFFORDED YOU DUE PROCESS. >> THAT THEY FOLLOW THE ESSENTIAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE

LAW AND THE HDC, BASED THEIR DECISION ON EVIDENCE. >> ONE OF THE POINTS I AM MAKING IS IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THIS PROPERTY IS NOT A CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE.

IF I WERE TO GO TO A VACANT LOT AND INSIDE OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT AND SUBMIT PLANS TO BUILD A HOME. THAT HOME WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH GUIDELINES THAT WOULD NOT ALLOW FOR EIGHT MID CENTURY MODERN HOME. A MIDST CENTURY MODERN STRUCTURE FALLS OUTSIDE OF THE DESIGNATION OF THE CITY AND THEY RECOGNIZE THAT FOR THIS PROPERTY FOR THEIR

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I DON'T KNOW, YOU MENTIONED YOU HAD SEVERAL DOCUMENTS BACK WHERE YOU PRIVY TO ALL OF THE SMELLS THAT WE PREVENTED TO THE CITY? IN SOME WAYS, IF I ASKED SAL OR WHY DID THEY DO NOT YOUR PROJECT I WOULD SAY I AM NOT SURE. WE WANTED TO COME UP WITH DESIGN SOLUTIONS THAT WERE BEAUTIFUL, THAT REALLY DID HONOR THE LANGUAGE OF A MID CENTURY MODERN.

THIS IS THE LOOK THIS IS NOT NECESSARILY SIGNIFICANT BUT IT IS SIGNIFICANT AND HOW THEY LOOK AT THE PROJECT. AND GOING BACK, TO MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHY THEY DENIED THE PROJECT MAKES REFERENCES TO I DON'T LIKE THE WINDOWS OR THE MORE MODERN LOOK.

OR A MYRIAD OF DISCUSSIONS. I THINK MR. HARRISON'S COMMENTS WERE EXEMPLIFYING THE POSITION OR THE CHARACTER OR THE TONE WITH RESPECT TO OUR PROJECT. AGAIN, THIS MEAN EIGHT MID CENTURY MODERN HOME, IT SEEMED FROM THE BEGINNING WHEN WE SAT BEFORE YOU THAT THE HDC GREATLY DESIRED THIS BE PART OF THE HISTORICAL WINDOW FOR THE CITY. THAT IS FINE.

AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THAT. BUT I DO HAVE A PIECE FROM SEPTEMBER 7. THE QUESTION FOR ME IS, SETTING ASIDE THE BULK OF THE ARCHITECTURE AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER EXAMPLE THAT CAME IN AFTER THAT.

THERE IS THE CASE OF THE THEN THIS GOT CONVERTED TO PEPPERS. DO YOU WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER VICTORIAN TOWN. DO YOU WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT PEOPLE DID MAKE CHANGES.

IF THAT IS VALID, WE SHOULD NOT MESS WITH IT. WE SHOULD KEEP IT AS IT IS.

OR WILL YOU TAKE THE CITY AND TOWN NEED MODERN TECHNIQUES AND MATERIALS.

THEN YOU HOLD THE BASIC TENET THAT IS VALUABLE AND SO AS THE FUNCTION CHANGES SO PERHAPS, YOU SHOULD ALLOW THE FORM TO CHANGE. AND I THINK THAT CHARACTERIZES THE PROBLEM THAT THE HDC HAD AN WRESTLING WITH A BUILDING THAT IS NONCONFORMING, CAN BE LOOKED AT IN A WAY TO HAVE THE DESIRE TO PROTECT THAT BUILDING. BUT I THINK, FROM MY AND IT IS CLEAR THAT THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR SENSES LIES OUTSIDE OF THE SIGNIFICANCE IS NOT REGULATORY FOR THIS PROJECT.

AND THEY ALLOW ALTERATIONS. IT IS DESIGNED SO ALTERATIONS CAN BE MADE.

AND AGAIN, DESPITE THE FACT, THIS DOES LIE OUTSIDE THE PERIOD OF SIGNIFICANCE WE STILL AND ALL RESPECT THE LANGUAGE FOR THE ERA WHICH IS MID CENTURY. THERE ARE TWO ARGUMENTS

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ARE THERE GUIDELINES FOR WHICH THEY USED TO MAKE DECISIONS BASED ON HISTORIC PROPERTIES IN TOWN, IF THERE ARE. EVEN IF WE APPLY IT AS IF WE WERE CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURE, THE SECRETARY OF INTERIOR READS IT MAY INCLUDE CHANGES SUCH AS A SELECTIVE REMOVAL OF FEATURES OR SETTINGS THAT ARE INTRUSIVE NOT CHARACTER DEFINING OR OUTSIDE OF THEIR SIGNIFICANCE.

IT IS IMPORTANT THEY ARE NOT HISTORICALLY IMPORTANT. SO EVEN THOUGH, THESE STANDARDS ARE GUIDELINES FOR LOOKING AT EIGHT MID CENTURY MODERN BUILDING AND NOT REGULATORY, WE SUBMIT THAT THEY DO FOLLOW THE STANDARDS FOR APPLICATION AND THAT DESIGN WE HAVE PRESENTED.

SO, I THINK THAT THAT. DRY TAKE QUESTIONS FROM YOU GUYS >> WE RESPECTFULLY SAY WE

FULFILL THE OBLIGATIONS THAT THE HDC DID NOT IN FACT. >> THEY DIDN'T FOLLOW THE ESSENTIAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE LAW QUICKSAND WHEN THEY MAKE A READING THEY SAY THIS WAS A

FINDING OF FACT AND IT WAS NOT. >> THEY APPLIED TO THE HDC WHICH HAS A LOOK AT THIS AND HAS AN INTEREST IN KEEPING THE CITY BEAUTIFUL. AND MAKING SURE, SOMETHING CRAZY DOES NOT HAPPEN. SO WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST OUR CLIENTS WHO CONTRIBUTED TIME IN THIS AND BEING ALLOWED TO PROCEED WITHOUT DOING. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

IVORY WATCHED THAT MEETING TODAY, TO REFRESH MY MEMORY, THOUGH, ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT WAS VOICED BY THE HDC WAS THE PENETRATION THROUGH THE BRICKS ON THE FRONT WHERE THE THREE WINDOWS ARE. AND PRESERVING THE WALL OF BRICK AND LEAVING THAT INTACT.

WOULD YOU AGREE THERE WAS AN AREA OF CONCERN. >> I THINK THAT WAS AN AREA OF

CONCERN. >> NUMBER TWO. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING CORRECT ME IF I GET THIS WRONG. THERE ARE TWO TYPES OF BRICK. IT IS NOT UNIFORM.

>> ON THE EXISTING BUILDING? >> THERE ARE MORE THAN TWO OF THEM.

WE HAD THE BRICK IN THE FRONT, THERE WAS SOME BREAK THAT'S ON TOP OF THAT, IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS FILLED IN LATER AND THERE IS BRICK AROUND THE BACK THAT IS DIFFERENT AS WELL.

>> ANOTHER AREA OF CONCERN CONCERNING THE BRICK, THIS WAS THE WHITEWASHING OF THE BRICK.

BECAUSE NOW, IT'S NATURAL BRICK WHICH IS NOT SEAMLESS BUT BLENDS WITH THE BRICK FLOW OF CENTER STREET. TO A DEGREE. AND IF YOU LOOK UP AND DOWN THIS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGES BUT I THINK, AT LEAST HALF OR MORE, SOME ARE FAIRLY ARTICULATE IN THEIR PAINTING OF THE BRICKS IN THE CITY.

SO THERE WAS ANOTHER CONCERN. WHEN ASKED WHAT YOU WERE DOING THAT, YOUR ANSWER, IF I MAY

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>> DID I GET THAT RIGHT? >> SR, YOU DID. >> ANOTHER AREA CONCERN WAS THE DRAWING SPIRIT ADDING WHICH I THINK YOU WOULD SAY IS A PROMINENT FEATURE.

HAVING THAT CHANGING AGAIN, HOW DOES THIS BUILDING BLEND IN, THAT WAS ANOTHER AREA.

>> IF I MAY BEFORE YOU MOVE PAST THAT POINT. A COUPLE OF THINGS.

I WILL START WITH THE DECK. THAT ELEMENT WAS ADDRESSED EARLY ON IN THE DESIGN PROCESS.

ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS SAID TO ME THIS GOES TO THE DISCUSSION I HAD WHERE THERE ARE TWO THINGS TO CONSIDER MAYBE WE CAN SEE THEY HAVE PRIVY OVER THIS. CHANGING THE CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING BY A WHITEWASH OF BRICK, THAT IS A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION.

WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT TO BE THE CASE. THE CHARACTER OF THE BRICK, TO DISCUSS THE MEANING OF THE WORD CHARACTER CORRECTS I'M NOT SURE. IN TERMS OF COLORING THE BRICK, THIS IS THE BEST OPTION YOU CAN TAKE TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER TO WHITEWASH THE BRICK.

>> AND THIRD, THIS IS FIXED RATE. >> YES, SIR.

THIS WINDOW. BASEMENT A LOT OF TIME DISCUSSING THIS.

IS THIS TOO MODERN. >> I THINK I THINK THEY AREN'T MAKING A JUDGMENT CALL ON THE LOOKS OF THESE THINGS. I UNDERSTAND THAT THESE THINGS ARE IN FRONT OF US AND WE ARE

FINE WITH THAT NONE OF THESE ITEMS ARE OUTSIDE OF THE MARK. >> I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT WRITING DOWN THE MEMBER WHO SAID THIS BUT JUST DAY, MINUTE, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE PREFERRED A STYLE TO THE DATE IN WHICH THE BUILDING WAS BUILT. AS OPPOSED TO MODERNIZING IT TO

MID CENTURY. >> I THINK THAT WAS MISSPOKEN. YOU ARE TRYING TO QUOTE SOMEONE.

IF I TAKE IT ON ITS FACE, THIS BUILDING IS MID CENTURY MARK. OUR APPROACH, I THINK RANDY MENTIONED THAT WELFARE THIS WAS A DEEP PHILOSOPHY BEHIND YOUR MID CENTURY MODERN BEING A

FROZEN ELEMENT WON OF THE THINGS I HEARD FROM THE STAFF AND HDC. >> IF THE AGC -- HDC WERE TO

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I CAN'T BUILD A LOT IN CERTAIN AREAS AND BUILD. WE UNDERSTAND MID CENTURY MODERN. THEY HAVE STRIPPED THE ITEMS THAT ARE HISTORIC AND THEY RECOGNIZE HISTORIC. THIS BUILDING FALLS OUTSIDE OF THAT.

I ALMOST WANT TO SAY, WHY ARE WE IN FRONT OF IT. MY MOTHER WORKS HERE MY SISTER WORKS HERE MY WHOLE FAMILY IS HERE. I LOVE THIS PLACE.

BUT WHAT WE HAVE DONE, WE HAVE GIVEN OUR CLIENTS A SOLUTION. >> DID YOU HAVE ANY DESIRE TO BELIEVE THEY DID NOT GIVE YOU THE PROPER NOTICE THAT THEY LET YOU CROSS-EXAMINE PEOPLE DID

THEY LET YOU PRESENT THE EVIDENCE THAT YOU WANT TO? >> THE SECOND QUESTION.

WHEN THEY WERE EVALUATING YOUR PROJECT DID THEY USE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THIS IS HOW TO WORK WITH STOREFRONTS WITH MID CENTURY AND COMPONENTS AND FINALLY THE SECRETARY OF STANDARDS FOR TREATMENT. DID THEY USE THOSE SOURCES TO EVALUATE YOUR PRESENTATION.

>> I AM NOT CERTAIN IF THEY USE THOSE SOURCES. I AM NOT SURE OF YOUR QUESTION,

I AM SORRY. >> THEY HAD IN THEIR REPORT, THEY FOLLOWED A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DID THEY TALK ABOUT THE ARTICLES THEY APPLIED ALL OF THAT TO YOUR PROJECT, IS THAT

RIGHT? >> APPARENTLY SO. >> FINALLY, YOU PUT ALL OF YOUR EXHIBITS IN. THERE WAS NO PROBLEM WITH THE EVIDENCE PRESENTED.

>> THEY WERE PRESENTED PROPERLY, YES. IN TERMS OF WHAT WE PRESENTED

AND THE EVIDENCE WE GAVE. >> SO THERE WAS SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE PUT INTO THE RECORD?

>> FROM OUR SIDE. >> I WOULD SAY, YES. >> THANK YOU.

>> . >> MY QUESTION IS DIFFERENT. THEY USE THESE ARTICLES TO

EVALUATE THESE, IS THAT CORRECT? >> IT APPEARS THEY DID USE THE ARTICLES TO EVALUATE THE PROJECT. OUR POSITION IS THE BUILDING, THEY ARE AT THAT.GUIDELINES.

IF I MAY, IN THIS CASE THE REGULATORY OVERSIGHT SHOULD DEFERRED THE FREEDOM OF THE

CITIZEN AND THE CLIENTS TO REASONABLY MAKE ADJUSTMENTS. >> THANK YOU.

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DOES ANY OTHER APPLICANTS WANT TO SPEAK CORRECTS. >> I BRIEFLY DO.

I'M GLAD YOU ASKED ME. THIS IS DAVID. I'M ACTUALLY ON THE BUILDING COMMITTEE AT THE FIRST PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH. I WENT THROUGH A LONG PROCESS TRYING TO MEET THESE MID CENTURY MODERN STANDARDS. BUT I THINK IT IS HIGHLY SUBJECTIVE WHEN IS THE DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR GUIDELINES.

I'M SURE THEY WANT TO IMPROVE THE PROPERTY AND GET IT TO WHERE THEY CAN'T USE IT BUT IT IS VERY VITAL IN THIS COMMUNITY WITH DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS THAT DON'T BELONG TO THIS HEARING.

I REALLY THINK THERE IS A WAY TO GET THIS PROJECT BEFORE THEY GO TO LEGAL COUNSEL.

I REALLY FEEL IT NEEDS TO BE MEDIATED IN SOME MANNER. WORK WITH THEM TO GET THIS PROJECT COMPLETED. THEY NEED TO RENOVATE THE BUILDING.

THERE ARE MANY BUILDINGS WHEN YOU WALK UP AND DOWN THE STREET. YOU CAN TALK ABOUT CENTURY 21.

YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THE TAVERN WHERE IT GOT BURNT AND THEY REBUILT THE WHOLE BUILDING.

IT TOUCHES MY HEART THAT ALL OF THE BUILDINGS ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE.

>> THESE WERE THE THREE ITEMS CONSIDERED. >>

>> HE TOUCHED ON A POINT THAT I WANT TO TOUCH ON. THAT IS A YOUTH CENTER.

WE HAVE A LOT OF YOUTH THAT COME IN OFF OF THE STREET AND HELL. WE HAVE IT SET UP WHERE THEY CAN FEEL WELCOME AND THEY HAVE GAMES FOR THEM TO PLAY. WE ARE TRYING TO BE A POSITIVE INFLUENCE. ALSO TO HIS POINT, WHAT I WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT WAS, IF WE HAVE STANDARDS THAT WE ARE ALL SUPPOSED TO ADHERE TO THEN YOU CAN GO DOWN CENTER STREET AND I CAN'T GIVE YOU 10-15 BUILDINGS THAT ARE HISTORICAL THAT HAVE BEEN PAINTED.

THAT HAVE THEIR WINDOWS ALTERED. THEY HAVE HAD CHANGES MADE OF THE THINGS WE ARE ASKING FOR ON A NON- HISTORIC BUILDING, THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE TO HISTORIC BUILDINGS ON CENTER STREET. THEN I WOULD ASK YOU, GO UP THE STREET TWO BLOCKS AND LOOK AT SUMMERHOUSE REALTY. SUMMERHOUSE REALTY HAS PORTHOLE WINDOWS, AND UPPER DECK THAT PEOPLE CAN COME ON. A MIRRORED GARAGE DOOR. I AM CONFUSED ON HOW THOSE THINGS GET APPROVED AND APPROVED ON ACTUAL HISTORIC BUILDINGS WHEN WE ARE NOT CHANGING THE STRUCTURE. WE ARE NOT TART TEARING DOWN THE OUTSIDE.

WE ARE NOT MAKING DRAMATIC CHANGES. WE ARE TRYING TO CLEAN IT UP.

THIS IS THE MONEY WE ARE SPENDING. I WOULD JUST LIKE FOR THE COMMISSIONERS TO CONSIDER WHAT HAS BEEN DONE ON CENTER STREET. AND, I'M NOT SAYING IT FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT. I AM SAYING I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THESE THINGS ARE ALLOWED AND THEN YOU SAY WE CAN'T DO THIS AND WE ARE NOT A HISTORIC BUILDING.

WHEN WERE TRYING TO CREATE SOMETHING OF A BENEFIT. I MOVED HERE IN 1993 FROM OHIO.

I'D LOVE FERNANDINA BEACH. I HAD MY OFFICES ON CENTER STREET.

I HAVE BEEN VERY SUPPORTIVE. I WOULD HOPE THE COMMISSION WOULD CONSIDER THIS WITH WHAT WE

ARE TRYING TO DO. >> WE ARE GOING WITH JUST THREE ITEMS AND NOT THE OVERALL

PHILOSOPHY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORDS. >> ANYONE ELSE THAT HAS NOT

SPOKEN THAT WOULD LIKE TO. >> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO RELY ON THE FINDINGS OF FACTS THAT WERE

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ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> SO YOU FOLLOW THE STANDARDS NECESSARY?

>> YES, SIR. >> AND NO ONE EVER SAID THAT YOU DIDN'T?

>> CORRECT. >> WHAT DID SHE USE, WHAT SOURCES DID YOU USED TO EVALUATE THIS QUICKSAND OUR GUIDELINES ARE 1ST AND FOREMOST. OVER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE

NATIONAL PARK SERVICES. A NUMBER OF OTHER ARTICLES. >> THEY CAN PUT IN THE DRAWINGS

THAT THEY WANT. >> CORRECT. >> ANYONE ELSE CLICKS.

>> YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION. >> THAT CONCLUDES THIS FIGURES THAT WE HAVE.

I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR NOW FOR DISCUSSION. >> THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. IT'S WONDERFUL YOU'RE WORKING WITH THE YOUTH.

THAT IS WONDERFUL. BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THE HEARING IS ABOUT.

THIS IS WHETHER SO THIS IS NOT TO SAY THEY DID NOT FOLLOW DUE PROCESS.

THERE IS NO INDICATION THE CORRECT STANDARDS DID NOT APPLY. SO, ACCORDING TO THE GUIDANCE OF OUR ATTORNEY, WE HAVE NO OTHER COURSE TO DO, TO SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATION.

>> DO I HEAR A MOTION? TANGIBLE TO SUPPORT THE BOARDS RECOMMENDATION.

>> SOLD THE MOTION IS TO DENY THE APPEAL I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND PERIOD SEEING NO FURTHER,

MOM KIRK WILL YOU CALL THE VOTE. >> JUST TO MAKE SURE I AM VOTING FOR THE RIGHT THING YES MEANS IT

IS. >> YES. >> CALLING THE ROLL.

[8.2 CODE ENFORCEMENT FINE REDUCTION AND RELEASE OF LIEN - DEXTER & REGINA N. RAINEY- RESOLUTION 2020-166]

>> ITEM A .2. THIS IS CODE ENFORCEMENT FIVE TRADITION AND RELEASE OF LIEN

FOR DEXTER AND REGINA RAINEY. >> AGAIN I AM THE CITY ATTORNEY. ALL I'M GOING TO SAY IS THIS IS AN APPEAL FOR REDUCTION OF FINES AND REMEMBER, BASED UPON STATE LAW WE PASSED AN ORDINANCE THAT ALL REQUESTS THAT COULD RESULT IN THE SATISFACTION OF LIENS HAD TO COME THROUGH THE CITY COMMISSION. THIS IS A CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE. ALL OF THE NOTICES THAT WERE PROVIDED AND A TIMELINE IS PUT TOGETHER FOR YOU IN THE AGENDA PACKET.

THAT IS ALL OF THE INFORMATION THE CITY HAS TO PREVENT. THIS WAS IN THE FALL OF 2019.

IT IS THEIR. I THINK IT WAS AUGUST. AND THE FINES WENT UNPAID AND HERE WE ARE. I BELIEVE THE FINES AND ADMINISTRATIVE FEES, THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEES ARE PUT TOGETHER AND THEY ARE VERY CONSERVATIVE.

IT IS NOT AN OVERSTATEMENT OF WHAT STOPS BENT ON THE CASE IT IS AN UNDERSTATEMENT.

IT ONLY INCLUDES THE TIME SPENT BY THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS.

IT DOES NOT INCLUDE MY LEGAL ASSISTANT OR THE LEGAL STAFF OR ANYTHING.

THIS IS JUST IN REGARDS TO THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEES. >> IF YOU REMEMBER LAST MEETING WE HAD A LONG DISCUSSION ON THIS AND WE WERE SHORT ON INFORMATION.

I DID REACH OUT TO THE MEMBERS INVOLVED AND I THINK DYLAN IS HERE TONIGHT TO ANSWER ANY

QUESTIONS. >> I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY IT TOOK SO LONG TO TAKE CARE OF THIS

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VEHICLE. >> AT THE BEGINNING I WAS GOING TO GET IT FIXED BUT THEN I DID

NOT HAVE THE MONEY. >> IF I CAN ENTROPY WE DO NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

>> DEXTRAN REGINA RAINEY. >> I WAS GOING TO GET IT FIXED BUT I DID NOT HAVE THE MONEY.

I WAS GOING TO SELL IT BUT NO ONE WANTED TO BUY IT THEN A GUY CAME BY.

HE GAVE ME MONEY TO BUY IN BUT THEN HE DIDN'T SO IT WAS JUST SITTING THERE.

>> WE HAVE TALKED ON THE PHONE. >> WHAT YOU SAID TO ME IS THEY GOT A -- YOU GOT A VIOLATION.

YOUR WIFE, MRS. DEXTER, MRS. RAINEY I'M SORRY, I APOLOGIZE. YOU KNOW, AFTER ALL OF THIS TIME

I STILL GET NERVOUS. YOU WOULD THINK THAT I WENT IN. >>

>> THE CITY SAID YOU GOT IT. WHAT DID YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT?

>> AT FIRST I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND SO I CALLED. THEN I SHOWED UP TO TALK TO SOMEONE AND THEY GAVE ME THE INFORMATION THAT I NEEDED AND TALKED TO ME ABOUT IT BECAUSE I REALLY DID NOT UNDERSTAND IT AT FIRST BUT I WANTED TO DO WHAT WAS RIGHT AND SETTLE IT.

>> DID YOU UNDERSTAND THERE WOULD BE A HEARING AND YOU HAD TO SHOW UP AT THE HEARING?

>> THIS HEARING YES. BUT NOT THE FIRST ONE. >> YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.

SO, APPARENTLY IT SAYS OF THE NOTES YOU HAVE A PHONE CALL WITH THE ENFORCEMENT BOARD?

>> I THINK THE FIRST TIME HE CAME BY MY HOUSE, I WAS OUTSIDE. NO, THAT WAS NOT ABOUT BUT, FROM

SOMETHING ELSE. I DID GET A PHONE CALL PICKED. >> YOU REMEMBER ANYTHING ABOUT

THE PHONE CALL? >> NO, NOT REALLY PICK. >> THEN THERE WAS A HEARING, BUT YOU DID NOT KNOW YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO SHOW UP AT THAT HEARING.

NOBODY REALLY TOLD YOU THAT. AFTER THE HEARING DID ANYONE EVER CALL YOU AND TELL YOU THAT,

YOU NEEDED TO FIX THIS? NO. >> NO.

WHEN I SHOOK UP I WAS TOLD AFTER THE HEARING, I WAS TOLD THERE WAS A HEARING AND I TOLD HER I WAS WAITING ON A PHONE CALL OR A LETTER AND I DID NOT RECEIVE EITHER.

SO SHE SAID I AM GLAD YOU SHOWED UP. THAT IS WHEN SHE TOLD ME ABOUT THE HEARING TONIGHT. I APOLOGIZE TO HER. IF I HAD KNOWLEDGE, I WOULD HAVE

SHOWED UP YOUR. >> BUT I AM TALKING ABOUT LAST YEAR, AFTER THE HEARING, WHERE THEY FOUND THAT YOU HAD NOT FIX YOUR CAR. DID ANYONE EVER CALL YOU OR DID

YOU UNDERSTAND ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? >> NO.

>> SO HOW DID YOU FIND OUT THERE WOULD BE A HEARING? >> THIS HEARING, OR THE OTHER

QUICKSAND ANY OF THE HEARINGS REX. >> WE DID RECEIVE A LETTER FOR

THIS HEARING. >> BUT NOT FOR THE LAST ONE CLICKS DID YOU KNOW THERE WAS A

LIEN AGAINST YOUR PROPERTY? >> THERE WAS A MEETING BEFORE THIS ONE, WHEN WE FIRST -- I AM TRYING TO REMEMBER ERIC I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS A MEETING BEFORE THIS.

>> TAKE YOUR TIME. >> WE ACTUALLY WENT ONCE WE RECEIVED THE LETTER.

WE WERE LOOKING TO AND -- I AM NOT SURE AFTER THAT. >> SO YOU REALLY DID NOT UNDERSTAND THAT HAVING YOUR PICKUP TRUCK, I THINK IT WAS A PICTURE OF TRUCK IN YOUR FRONT YARD BY THE FACT YOU WOULD GET A 50-DOLLAR PER DAY FIND CLICKS YOU DID UNDERSTAND THAT?

>> NO. >> AND YOU DON'T REMEMBER HOW YOU FOUND OUT THERE WAS A LIEN

AGAINST YOUR PROPERTY CORRECT. >> NO. >> AND, FINALLY YOU DON'T LIVE

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CANCEL IT HAS THAT ADDRESS, THAT IS NOT YOUR ADDRESS, IS THAT CORRECT?

YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION FOR ME OR FOR US OR ANY TO THE MAYOR? >> JUST TRYING TO GET THIS

RESOLVED AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE. >> WHAT WOULD A GOOD RESOLUTION LOOK LIKE FOR YOU?

>> IN WHAT MANNER DO YOU MEAN? >> WELL THERE IS A $17,000 LIEN AGAINST YOUR PROPERTY.

>> SOMETHING WAY LESS THAN THAT. >> WOULD DO YOU THINK QUICKSAND MAY BE $200 OR $300.

>> I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT TO TALK TO US. THIS MUST MAKE YOU PRETTY

NERVOUS. >> COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN. >> NUMBER ONE, I THINK WHEN THE NEW COMMISSION CAME THEY SHOULD'VE LOOKED UP THE FINES. THIS IS NOT THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE SAT HERE WITH SOMEONE GETTING 850-DOLLAR PER DAY FIND, AND IF WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT.

IF THE COMMISSION IS GOING TO DO THAT REPEATEDLY, THEN THEY NEED TO CHANGE THE $50 PER DAY.

I HAVE BEEN TOLD LOTS OF TIMES, IT IS COMPLIANCE. WE WANT COMPLIANCE.

WELL OBVIOUSLY A $50 PER DAY FIND IS NOT RINGING ABOUT COMPLIANCE.

SO, MAKE IT $5 PER DAY. TEN DOLLARS PER DAY, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET THESE APPEALS.

THAT IS ONE ISSUE. THE SECOND ISSUE, I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT IS, ARE WE SETTING A PRECEDENT. SOMEBODY COMES INTO TOWN, THEY DON'T REALLY KNOW THE TREE ORDINANCES AND THEY CUT DOWN A TREE. THE CITY WANTS TO FIND THEM $50,000 FOR CUTTING DOWN THE TREE. ARE THEY GOING TO BE ABLE TO COME TO THE BOARD, READ THEIR CASE AND HAVE THAT FINE REDUCED? YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT COMPASSION, MY CONCERN IS, WILL THERE BE THE SAME COMPASSION OF SOMEONE CUT THE TREE DOWN.

BECAUSE, THE BOTTOM LINE IS, THAT IS A CODE VIOLATION. AND, IF WE ARE GOING TO MAKE THIS DETERMINATION THAT FINES CAN BE REDUCED, I HOPE IN THE FUTURE IT IS FOR ALL CODE

VIOLATIONS. THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY. >> VICE MAY APPEAR.

>> IN THE SYNOPSIS THAT THEY ARE REQUESTING A REDUCTION IN THE AMOUNT OF $200 TO $500.05.

ARE YOU ABLE TO PAY $500? >> NOT REALLY, I'M UNEMPLOYED RIGHT NOW.

I AM RELYING ON HER FOR EVERYTHING. BUT I KNOW WE WILL HAVE TO PAY

SOMETHING. >> I AGREE, THERE TENDS TO BE CONFUSION ON NOTIFICATION AND YOU BEING AWARE OF IT. IT WAS A CODE VIOLATION. AND YOU UNDERSTAND THIS.

I AGREE, WITH PHIL. I ACTUALLY BED, ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD.

WE DO THIS ALL OF THE TIME. WE REDUCED FINDS ALL OF THE TIMES BECAUSE IT IS CRAZY.

WE REDUCE FINES FOR SIMILAR SITUATIONS. IT APPEARS TO ME YOU WILL UNDERSTAND YOU WERE IN VIOLATION AND YOU ARE SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING.

I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE REDUCE THE FINE TO $350. >> THANK YOU.

>> I WILL SECOND PERIOD. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND PETER.

>> DOES THAT INCLUDE THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEE? >> A TOTAL OF $350 PER.

>> OKAY. >> I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT, I WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS AND NOT BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE SYMPATHY, I AM DOING IT BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE A STAND ON THESE

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DIFFERENT REASONS. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS. >> I ACTUALLY THINK CODE ENFORCEMENT DOES A GOOD JOB. I THINK EVERYONE DOES A GOOD JOB BUT I THINK THE PROBLEM IN THIS CASE IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHICH HIS POLICY MATTER. IF SOMEONE DOES NOT SHOW UP AT A HEARING DATE NEED TO BE MADE AWARE IN SOME FORM FOR HEARING OCCURRED AND THERE IS A FINE AND YOU NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. THAT IS WHERE I HAVE MY PROBLEM.

>> COMMISSIONER MIKE LEDNOVICH. >> HE SAID I SHOULD CHANGE MY MOTION TO INCLUDE A DATE.

>> I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN. BY DOING THIS WE UNDERMINE CODE ENFORCEMENT. THEY ARE DOING THEIR JOBS. FOLLOWING PROCEDURES AND DOING THEIR JOB WELL. WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN HERE IS A RE-EXAMINATION OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT LAWS AND THE PROCESSES. WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION WITH THE CITY MANAGER. HOW DOES A FINE GIFT TO $70,000 WITHOUT ANY PERSONAL CONTACT WITH THE OFFENDERS. SO, IN GOING FORWARD CONSIDERATION WOULD BE, YOU HIT $2,000, SOMEONE IS AT YOUR FRONT DOOR SAYING YOU ARE $2,000 IN ARREARS.

THERE IS A HEARING AND YOU NEED TO BE THERE. IT SHOULD NEVER REACH THIS POINT WHERE PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED, THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO. IT ESCALATES.

I AM THROWING THIS DOWN TO THE FEET OF HOW THE SYSTEM IS SET UP.

I AM PROUD OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE. THEY WORK HARD AND FOLLOW THE PROCESS. THE PROBLEM IS NOT WITH THEM, IT IS WITH HOW THE PENALTIES ARE WRITTEN AND HOW NOTIFICATIONS ARE GIVEN OUT. HOW DO WE GET THIS, THE REVISIONS, HOW DO WE ADDRESS REVISIONS TO THIS ON AN AGENDA. WHAT IS THE PROCESS?

>> DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THESE INDIVIDUALS?

>> I JUST REALIZE YOU ARE STILL STANDING. RELAX.

>> VICE MAYOR LEN KREGER WAS THAT A QUESTION? >> YES, HOW DO WE PROCEED.

>> I WILL WEIGH IN BEFORE WE DO THAT. I HAVE A FEW THINGS TO SAY THEN WE WILL GO BACK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY. VICE MAYOR LEN KREGER.

WE ARE NOT UNDERMINING CODE ENFORCEMENT. THEY DID THEIR JOB.

THIS IS ONLY THE SECOND TIME THAT I REMEMBER, IN FIVE YEARS THAT WE HAVE HAD THIS KIND OF A REDUCTION. IT WAS A STREET CASE WHERE WE REDUCED IT.

NOT AS MUCH, WHEN THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFUSION. SIGNIFICANT CONFUSION.

IT WILL HAPPEN ONCE IN A WHILE. THAT DOES NOT MEAN SOMEONE IS NOT DOING THEIR JOB.

WE ARE DOING OUR JOB. I WILL CHANGE THE MOTION TO PAYMENT BY JANUARY SECOND, 2021.

DO I HEAR A SECOND. >> I WOULD HOPE AS WE MOVE FORWARD, CODE ENFORCEMENT HOLDS THE CITY TO THE SAME STANDARDS IT HOLDS THE CITIZENS TO. AND I GO BACK TO THE WATERFRONT

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WE HAD A BUILDING ON THE WATERFRONT THAT WAS THE WORST EXAMPLE.

WE HAVE HAD A HEARING ABOUT DUMPSTERS AND YET IF YOU GO DOWN TO THE COURTS, THE DUMPSTERS DOWN THERE ARE IN VIOLATION. SO, I HOPE AS THE CITY MOVES FORWARD, THE CITY IS HELD TO THE SAME STANDARDS THAT WE ASK CODE ENFORCEMENT TO HOLD THE RESIDENCE TO, THANK YOU.

>> VICE MAYOR LEN KREGER. I CANNOT REMEMBER TWICE WHERE A SITUATION LIKE THIS HAVE COME APPEAR IN BOTH TIMES THE APPLICANT WERE CONFUSED. I THINK THINGS WILL WORK OUT WELL ON THIS ONE TONIGHT AS WELL. I THINK THE PROCESS IS GOOD.

I REMEMBER THE CASE WITH A LOCAL BUSINESS WHERE THE SIGN WAS OUT OF COMPLIANCE.

THEY DID WHAT THEY HAD TO DO TO PAY THEIR FINES. THEY DID NOT PUT IN FOR AN APPEAL. THEY JUST PAINTED. HAVING THAT, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT. WHEN IT COMES TO HOW TO FIX IT, THIS IS HOW YOU FIX IT.

THIS BODY IS SMART ENOUGH TO LOOK AT THIS ON A CASE-BY-CASE BASIS.

EVERY TIME THIS COMES UP WHY ARE WE HERE. WHY DO WE NEED THE PROCESS FOR THREE TIMES IN SEVEN YEARS I DON'T THINK IT REQUIRES A MAJOR OVERHAUL.

AND THE CITY COMMISSION DOES A GOOD JOB. BRINGING PEOPLE UNDER COMPLIANCE. THIS SITUATION HAS BEEN RESOLVED AND THERE WERE EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES. FINANCIALLY AT $17 IS A BIG HIT. THE GUY WHO WAS GOING TO COME GET THE CAR HE DID NOT COME. CONTINUING DOING WHAT HE COULD ON HIS PART AND THERE WAS A MISCOMMUNICATION. THERE MAY HAVE BEEN CONFLICT ON HOW THINGS WERE DONE BUT I THINK THESE INDIVIDUALS DID NOT KNOW THE SITUATION THEY WERE IN. SO, I HOPE THINGS GO WELL AND I HOPE THEY WILL. I DID SEE YOUR HAND GO UP DID YOU WANT TO SPEAK WORKS.

>> THANK YOU, GOOD EVENING. I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING ME THE CHANCE TO TALK.

I WON'T ADDRESS THIS CASE. WE NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. KEEP.

>> KEEP YOUR MASK ON. >> MICHELLE FOR STRENGTH, CODE ENFORCEMENT DIRECTOR.

516 SOUTH TENTH STREET. OKAY. THE FIRST THING I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR IS CODE ENFORCEMENT DOES NOT DO SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT. WHEN WE OBSERVE A VIOLATION WE ADDRESS IT. ONCE WE CONFIRM THAT THE VIOLATION EXISTS WE EITHER GIVE A VERBAL WARNING OR A WRITTEN WARNING, LEAVING A NOTICE OF VISIT DOORHANGER AT THE DOOR.

WE GIVE THEM TEN DAYS TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE. LONGER IF THE VIOLATION IS STRUCTURAL. OR IF IT IS A SAFETY OR HEALTH ISSUE.

IF THEY ARE WORKING TOWARDS COMPLIANCE OR NEED TIME WE WORK WITH THEM.

WE GIVE EXTENSIONS IF THEY REQUEST IT FOR GOOD REASON. IF WE DO NOT HEAR BACK FROM THEM AFTER THE INITIAL NOTICE WE ATTEMPT TO MAKE PERSONAL CONTACT WITH THE VIOLATOR.

WE SPENT TIME RESEARCHING TO FIND PHONE NUMBERS, E-MAILS AND ALTERNATE NUMBERS BEFORE BRINGING IT TO THE APPEALS COURT. IT IS A LAST RESORT TO SEND A NOTICE OF VIOLATION OR NOTICE OF HEARING LETTER TO BRING THE CASE BEFORE THE COLD BOARD.

WE GO ABOVE AND BEYOND BY SENDING THE RESPONDENT A COPY OF THE AGENDA.

THE CASES HIGHLIGHTED TO LET THEM KNOW WE ARE SERIOUS ABOUT THEIR CASE BEING HEARD.

WE ARE THE ONLY JURISDICTION IN FLORIDA THAT DOES THIS EXTRA STEP.

WE STARTED THIS YEARS AGO. WE TYPICALLY GET A FEW MORE CASES THAT COME INTO COMPLIANCE WHEN THEY RECEIVE THE AGENDAS. WE HAVE A COMPLIANCE RATE OF 90%.

FOR THE 10% THE REVIEWS WE ARE FORCED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEIR CASE TO BE HEARD BEFORE THE BOARD. ANOTHER 5% COME IN AFTER THE CASE GOES BEFORE THE COLD BOARD.

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WE SEND THE FINDINGS OF FACT TO THE RESPONDENT AS SOON AS IT IS SIGNED BY THE CHAIR WHICH STATES, EVERYTHING THAT WAS ORDERED, THE TIME FOR COMPLIANCE AND WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY DON'T.

WE DO NOT WISH TO PLACE MONETARY HARDSHIP ON ANYONE BUT IF FINES ARE TAKEN AWAY IS IGNORING THE LAW PENNED BY COMPLIANCE RATE WILL DIMINISH TO A POINT THAT OUR BEAUTIFUL CITY WILL NO LONGER BE PROUD OF IT. YOU WILL BE SENDING A LOUD AND CLEAR MESSAGE THAT COMPLIANCE IS ME SUGGESTIONS NOT A MANDATE. WAIT IT OUT, REQUEST REDUCTION AND MOVE ON, NO PENALTY.

WHY SHOULD ANYONE COME INTO COMPLIANCE WHEN THERE IS NO CONSEQUENCES.

CODE ENFORCEMENT WOULD LIKE YOUR SUPPORT AND WHAT IS A VERY DIFFICULT JOB.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT IS DONE HERE, THIS IS JUST FOR FUTURE CASES THAT WILL COME BEFORE YOU BECAUSE THERE WILL. YOU ARE THE BOARD, YOU ARE THE PLACE WHERE THESE WILL COME.

YOU WILL GET A LOT MORE OF THESE. ESPECIALLY IN THESE TIMES.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

>> THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.

WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE VOTE? >> >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENED? >> YES. >> THANK YOU

>> WE ARE BACK IN SESSION. >> OKAY, WE ARE BACK IN SESSION. WE ARE ONTO ITEM A .3.

[8.3 RECONSIDERATION - SPECIAL EVENTS APPROVAL RESOLUTION 2020-170]

MRS. MARSHALL EVENTS APPROVAL. >> THIS IS A MOTION FOR THE CHRISTMAS BREAK.

WE DO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND PAIR. >> REPORT WE DISCUSS IT HAS TO

BE ON THE FLOOR. >> MADAME CAN YOU CALL THE BOAT. >> NOW WE ARE ALL BACK ON THE

TABLE. >> THIS IS IN REGARDS TO THE MEETING TWO WEEKS AGO.

>> UNTIL YOU MENTIONED IT, I FORGOT HOW CONGESTED THE CHRISTMAS PARADE IS.

YOU ARE EXACTLY CORRECT. PEOPLE ARE JAMMED IN THEIR FOR CLARITY, I WANT IT ALL UNDERSTOOD THE CHRISTMAS PARADE IS NOT A GOOD IDEA. EVERYONE.

FOR IF YOU ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT IS GOING ON THIS IS THE THIRD OUTBREAK YOUR WE WERE IN TROUBLE AT 100,000 CASES PER DAY FLORIDA RECORDED 10,000 PER -- YOU SAW THE NUMBERS.

NOT ONLY THE CHRISTMAS RATE BUT THE UPCOMING EVENTS. WE NEED TO MITIGATE THE SPREAD

[01:45:04]

I WILL SEE A VACCINE UNTIL APRIL OR MAY EVERYONE WANTS A HOLIDAY. WHAT IS THE WISE THING TO DO TO PROTECT OUR LOVED ONES FROM EVERY EXPERTS THAT DO NOT SHARE AIR.

ALL OF THESE EVENTS HAVE PEOPLE SHARING THE AIR BY POSITION AS WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THESE

EVENTS. >> THIS IS A HOLIDAY SPECIAL EVENT APPROVAL.

[8.4 HOLIDAY SPECIAL EVENT APPROVAL- RESOLUTION 2020-172]

BUT AGAIN IT IS BEFORE YOU CASH BASED ON THOSE CONCERNS BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING.

EVERYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK RIGHT. >> I AM THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE EVENT, 2012 WE STARTED DOING THE FIREWORKS 2016 WE START DOING THE STRIP ROCK THAT IS OUR BACKGROUND. HOLIDAY SPECIAL EVENTS AND A POINT FOR SPECIAL CONDITIONS FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE 2020 CALENDAR ARTICLE SEVERAL OF YOU KNOW THIS, AND THAT WE NOT DISCUSS THIS WITH YOU OUR PRESENT DISCUSS WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY.

WE DECIDED, OPIATE WITHDRAWAL I THINK WE SPOKE ABOUT THE EVENT BEING UNATTAINABLE LOSE OUR WE WOULD NOT HAVE BENDED AND BLOCK OFF THE TWO PARKING LOTS. THE OTHER THING WE HAVE IS SAFETY. WE TRIED TO REDUCE THE CROWDS AND GO FROM THERE.

DON'T GO AND I WANT TO ASK, IF YOU WOULD APPROVE THE FIREWORKS AT 7:00 P.M., LET THE PEOPLE OF FERNANDINA BEACH IF THEY WANT TO COME DOWN HERE. IF THEY THINK IT'S TOO BAD, THEY CAN STAY AT HOME. THE PARKING LOT WOULD BE FULL OF CARS.

[01:50:24]

>> HOW LONG DO THE FIREWORKS BLAST? >> 15-20 MINUTES.

>> THANK YOU. >> I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REITERATE WHAT HE SAID.

WE STARTED THESE EVENTS BACK WHEN THE CITY DECIDED THEY NO LONGER WANTED TO FUND THE FOURTH OF JULY FIREWORKS. WE HAVE DONE ACTIVE FUNDRAISING FOR MANY YEARS AND WE INCLUDED THE SHRIMP DROP. WENT THE FOURTH OF JULY FIREWORKS WERE CANCELED BECAUSE OF COVID IT WAS DECIDED, WE WERE HOPING BY THE END OF THE YEAR THAT EVERYTHING WOULD BE DONE AND WE LABEL THIS A GOODBYE GOOD RIDDANCE TO 2020. NO LONGER THE SHRIMP DROP.

LET'S JUST GET THIS DONE WITH. I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE WHAT THE VICE MAYOR SAID IF PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE AIR. WE ARE ALL IN HERE SHARING AIR AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE ARE SUPPOSED TO LIVE IF WE DON'T SHARE AIR. I WOULD APPRECIATE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMPROMISED THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT. I HAVE FRIENDS OR DON'T GO OUT.

I HAVE FRIENDS AND FAMILY THAT I SHOP FOR ONLINE THOUGH THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO OUT.

I THINK THIS WOULD BE A NICE THING FOR THE COMMUNITY TO SAY, LET'S WELCOME 2021 AND SAY TO

HECK WITH 2020. >> GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK.

WE ARE HOPING. >> WE ARE HOPING TO PUT ON THE STUFF THE TURKEY 5K THANKSGIVING MORNING. LISTENING TO THE COMMENTS HERE, WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE COVID AND AS FAR AS KEEPING THE RUNNER SAFE, WE HAVE ONLY 75 PEOPLE REGISTERED FOR THIS RACE.

THE INTENT IS TO STAGE THEM WITH PEOPLE 6 FEET APART. WE ARE FOLLOWING GUIDELINES THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED AND IMPLEMENTED BY THE FIRST-PLACE SPORTS WHO HAVE PUT ON RACES THIS FALL, WITHOUT ANY CONTACT TRACING COMING BACK. WE WILL NOT HAVE ANY GATHERING BEFORE THE RACE. TRADITIONALLY YOU WOULD HAVE PACKET PICKUP.

YOU WOULD HAVE REGISTRATION AND THAT HAS BEEN CANCELED. THERE WILL BE NO POST- CEREMONY AFTER THE RACE. THERE WILL BE NO AWARDS. JUST ONE GRAND PRIZE FOR THE FIRST MALE OR FEMALE ACROSS THE LINE. THE INTENT IS TO SHOW UP AT 8:0G IS DOWN. NO FOOD, WATER WILL BE AVAILABLE BUT SPACED OUT IN INDIVIDUAL BOTTLES. SO WHEN YOU FINISH THE RACE YOU CAN PICK UP YOUR WATER LEAD.

WE ARE TRYING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, KEEPING EVERYONE SAFE.

PEOPLE ARE RUNNING IN THE COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW. THE CROSS COUNTRY TEAM IS RUNNING. WE JUST HOPE TO CONTINUE WITH THE RACE.

THE BENEFIT IS FOR ONE OF OVER SOUP KITCHENS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

[01:55:02]

>> >> THAT CONCLUDES THE SPEAKERS. DOES ANYONE OF 20 SPEAK?

THAT I MISSED SOMEONE? >> THAT IS ALL I HAD APPEAR. >>

>> OF MY CONCERN IS THAT ALL OF THESE EVENTS THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING WOULD BE CLASSIFIED AS HIGH RISK. MY CONCERN ALSO IS THAT 31% OF THE POPULATION ARE OVER 65.

IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THE POPULATION AT RISK WE ARE 50% IN THIS COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE VERY LIMITED THINGS WE CAN DO. WE ARE PREEMPTED BY STATE LAW RELATIVE TO BUSINESSES. THIS IS ONE THING WE CAN DO. WE CANNOT HAVE SPECIAL EVENTS FURTHERMORE I WOULD SAY, THERE ARE OTHER ACTIVITIES WHETHER IT IS THE GOLF COURSE THIS WEEKEND OR A CRAFTS FAIR, THOSE ARE ALSO HIGH RISK. I JUST, ONE OF THE REASONS I PUT THE RECONSIDERATION, I DIDN'T THINK WE APPROVED A CHRISTMAS PARADE ORIGINALLY.

THERE WAS CONFUSION. THE VETERANS PARADE, I HAPPEN TO BE IN IT AND YOU WERE OUT THERE AND YOU SAW WHAT HAPPENED. I RECOMMEND WE CANCEL ALL OF THESE EVENTS PRIOR TO THE NEW YEAR. IN THE INTEREST OF PUBLIC HEALTH.

>> I SECOND THAT. >> I UNDERSTAND IT IS DIFFICULT TO GIVE UP EVENTS THAT YOU HAVE BEEN DOING FOR YEARS. BUT I ASKED EVERYONE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE ASKING US TO DO FOR THANKSGIVING. THEY ARE TELLING YOU DON'T GET TOGETHER WITH YOUR OWN FAMILY.

HOW CAN WE SAY, WE WILL BUT EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO COME, COME.

THIS IS SERIOUS. WE ARE STARTING TO SEE PLACES GO BACK TO SHUTTING DOWN.

ONE WAY TO PREVENT THE ECONOMY SHUTTING DOWN IS TO STOP SOME OF THE EVENTS SO PEOPLE ARE NOT GATHERING. I AGREE COMPLETELY. THEY ARE TELLING YOU DO NOT GET TOGETHER WITH YOUR FAMILY ON THANKSGIVING. THEN PEOPLE WANT US TO SAY YOU CAN COME DOWNTOWN IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT. I CANNOT DO THAT.

>> THANK YOU. >> >> OKAY.

>> I USUALLY COME TO THE MEETINGS CONVINCED ON HOW I WILL VOTE.

BUT, I THINK I HAVE READ WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. >> I THINK SOME OF THESE EVENTS

ARE REASONABLE. AND DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK? >> YOU CAN SPEAK FIRST THEN FEEL

FREE TO FILL OUT THE FORM. >> I SAT DOWN AND SPOKE TO MR. LANGLEY ABOUT THESE EVENTS.

SHE WAS RUNNING BY WHEN WE WERE SPOKE -- SPEAKING. SO, MR. LANGLEY?

[02:00:05]

NONE OF THOSE FUNCTIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS ARE DESIGNED TO GENERATE CROWDS.

THE BIGGEST WISH IS LIGHTING UP THE DOWNTOWN AREA WITH CHRISTMAS LIGHTS.

I THINK VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN SAID WE ARE IN THE DARKEST WINTER.

AND THE LIGHTS WOULD BE ELIMINATED AS A RESOLUTION PASSES.

IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES. >> THE INDIVIDUAL ACTIVITIES WE ARE DOING SUCH AS THE LIGHTING CEREMONY, THE PICTURES WITH SANTA CLAUS.

EVERYTHING THAT FOLLOWED THE REQUIREMENTS NO GATHERING EXCEPT AT SCHEDULED TIMES.

THAT WOULD ALL BE ELIMINATED AS I UNDERSTAND IF THIS IS ADOPTED. A LOT OF INDIVIDUAL, WE RECEIVED THE SAFETY PROTOCOLS FOR THESE EVENTS THEY DO NOT ENCOURAGE GATHERINGS AT ANY PARTICULAR

LOCATIONS. I CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. >> I JUST WANT TO SAY I DO

SUPPORT CANCELING THE PARADE. >> THANK YOU SIR. >> I DO HAVE SOMETHING.

JUST A POINT OF ORDER. THERE IS A MOTION ON THE BOARD. THE ONLY THING CONSIDERED SO FAR SPECIFICALLY IS RESOLUTION 170 WHICH IS THE ORDINANCE THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE HOLIDAY SPECIAL

EVENTS. >> THIS IS ALL OF THE EVENTS. THIS WILL BE 170, 172.

THERE IS A MOTION FOR BOTH RESOLUTIONS TO INCLUDE BOTH OF THEM.

170 AND 172. >> THE RESOLUTION IS TO CANCEL ALL OF THE EVENTS.

>> I WILL GO AHEAD AND SAY SOMETHING. WHAT THE VICE MAYOR SAID IS ONE 100% TRUE. THE CDC CALLED THESE EVENTS THE HIGHEST POSSIBLE.

THE ORDINATE THAT PEOPLE WILL STAY AT HOME OR COME OUT AND SEPARATE AND WEAR FACE COVERINGS AND MAKE AN ATTEMPT AT SOCIAL THIS IS A. I HEARD THIS ARGUMENT BEFORE.

THEY DIDN'T DO ONE THING THEY SAID THEY WOULD DO. THE OTHER THING IS HUMAN NATURE.

NINE TIMES OUT OF TEN, WHEN I DO MY JOB PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHO I AM.

AND THE PAST EIGHT MONTHS I HAVE HAD PEOPLE COME IN SAYING THINGS LIKE, IT IS OVER AFTER THE ELECTION. MASKS ARE NOT NECESSARY. THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO WILL SHOW UP AT THE EVENT. I WISH IT WAS DIFFERENT ANY SPECIAL EVENT THAT WILL BE CANCELED MAKES SENSE. THIS IS THE WORST TIME POSSIBLE. LIKE DR. FAUCI SAID, THE VACCINE IS COMING BUT IS NOT HERE. HAVING AN EVENT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME.

SO I SUPPORT WHAT YOU SAID COMMISSIONER. AND NOW A PUBLIC VOTE.

[8.5 PROPOSAL APPROVAL - WEATHERPROOFING TECHNOLOGIES, INC. - RESOLUTION 2020-173]

>> ONTO ONTO ITEM 8.5 PROPOSAL APPROVAL FOR WEATHERPROOFING TECHNOLOGIES.

>> I HAVE A MOTION. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND PERIOD MADAME CLERK WILL YOU PLEASE

CALL THE ROLL. >> ITEM A .6. PROPOSAL FOR WEATHERPROOFING

[8.6 PROPOSAL APPROVAL - WEATHERPROOFING TECHNOLOGIES, INC. - RESOLUTION 2020-174]

[02:05:06]

PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> UNANIMOUS. >> ITEM A .7 INDIGO BILLY

[8.7 INDIGO (BILLY CASPER) GOLF AGREEMENT - RESOLUTION 2020-175]

CASPER. >> I JUST WANT TO COMMENT THAT HE WORE A TIE TONIGHT.

IS THAT YOUR LUCKY TIE? >> IT MUST BE. >> I AM BILLY CASPER HERE.

I HAVE A PRESENTATION I HAVE TO UNLOCK MY COMPUTER. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE RENEWAL OF THE GOLF AGREEMENT REBRANDED AS INDIGO.

WE REALIZE SOME SAVINGS COULD BE MADE BY NOT RENEWING THE CONTRACT.

BILLY CASPER IS HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THEIR ADVOCACY FOR THAT. THEY DID SUBMIT A PRESENTATION.

MR. ZIMMER WILL PRESENT IT SO HE WILL COME FORWARD. >> GOOD EVENING.

I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION AND SPEAK.

MY NAME IS DAN ZIMMER, VICE PRESIDENT OF OPERATIONS FOR AND OCCULT GOLF PARTNERS.

I HAVE BEEN WITH THE COMPANY SINCE 207 BASED IN SAINT AUGUSTINE.

IT WAS PART OF THE INITIAL TRANSITION AND I HAVE WORKED WITH THE COURSE FOR THE TEN YEARS WE'VE BEEN HERE. ALSO HERE IS THE REGIONAL MANAGER.

CHRIS HAS BEEN WITH INDIGO SINCE WE STARTED WORKING WITH BERNADINE AT BEACH BACK IN 2010.

HE IS OUR ORIGINAL DIRECTOR. WE ALSO HAVE STEVE HERE THIS EVENING AND THE GENERAL MANAGER.

STEVE HAS BEEN HERE, HE IS COMING UP ON HIS FIFTH ANNIVERSARY AND CAME HEAR FROM ANOTHER PROPERTY IN ARIZONA. ALSO OF HER SUPERINTENDENT, HE IS A KEY COMPONENT TO THE TEAM.

UNFORTUNATELY NOT ABLE TO BE HERE THIS EVENING. SO AGAIN, WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME HERE AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY FOR THE PAST TEN YEARS. WE WANT TO DISCUSS THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WERE PRESENTED THAT ARE OUTLINED AS SAVINGS FOR THE CITY TO REALIZE. ULTIMATELY WE WANT TO ACHIEVE THE GOAL OF HELPING YOU MAKE THE BEST DECISION AND WHAT IS BEST FOR THE GOLF COURSE GOING FORWARD. SO TAKING A STEP BACK AT THE TIME WE TOOK OVER THE MODEL THE LAST FISCAL YEAR THE LABOR ON THE GOLF COURSE WAS 615,000 AND THE CURRENT LABOR STRUCTURE.

RING CONDITIONS WERE INCONSISTENT. WE WERE CHARGED WITH IMPROVING THE SERVICE LEVELS AND ADDRESSING DEFERRED MEASURES AND INCREASING PROFITS.

THE EXPENSES WERE GROWING AND THE CONDITIONS WERE INCONSISTENT.

SO, IMPROVING THE AMENITY, OUR FOCUS ON AFFORDABLE EXPERIENCES FOR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS ON THE ISLAND, DEVELOPMENT OF A STRONG TEAM. THEY ARE ALSO SUPPORTED BY SOME OF THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE HAS BEEN THIS INCLUDED RENOVATIONS TO THE GOLF COURSE AND VARIOUS

[02:10:11]

I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO LOOK BACK FIVE YEARS AGO, AND INDIGO, I DO WANT TO GIVE SOME SUPPORT TO THE BEHIND THE SCENES TEAM. MIKE STEVENS IS THE REGIONAL DIRECTOR PURKEY HAS ALSO BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE GOLF COURSE SINCE WE STARTED IN 2010. HE GETS ON AVERAGE TEN TIMES PER YEAR. WHEN YOU EQUATE THAT TO WHAT IT WOULD COST IF YOU WENT OUT AND HAD A THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT COME IN THROUGH THE USDA, WHICH I KNOW THE CITY HAS DONE IN THE PAST PRIOR TO US COMING ON BOARD. THAT COST WOULD EQUATE TO

$20,000 ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. >> FROM THE REGIONAL OPERATIONS TEAM, WE HAVE ANOTHER REGIONAL MANAGER BASIS AND ORLANDO. WE HAVE OVER 65 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE.

WE WORK WITH THE ON-SITE TEAM IN THE CITY. ON BUDGETING AND DEVELOPING THE BUSINESS PLAN, EXECUTION ON-SITE, FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT, FOOD AND BEVERAGE, GOLF COURSE MANAGEMENT AND ALL AREAS OF OPERATION. WE ALSO HAVE A DEDICATED SUPPORT OFFICE WHICH IS BASED IN VIRGINIA. WE HAVE A DEDICATED ACCOUNTANT WHO HANDLES THE ACCOUNTING AND PROVIDES INFORMATION TO THE CITY.

PAYROLL ADMINISTRATORS, HR ASSOCIATES, BENEFITS AND LEGAL AND RISK MANAGEMENT.

ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE PART OF WHAT YOU PAY TO BILL AND NOT ADDITIONAL FEES IN THE OPERATIONAL BUDGET. AND I WANT TO TALK MORE ABOUT THE MARKETING BECAUSE, THERE'S A LOT THAT GOES ON WE DO HAVE A LOT OF FANS THROUGH OUR FACEBOOK.

WE HAVE E-MAILS WITH A TOTAL REACH OF 177,000. OUR APP WHICH WE WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DOWNLOAD, IF YOU ARE ACTIVE. WE HAVE 427 ACTIVE USERS WHO HAVE OPTED INTO THE PUSH APPS. SO WE CAN COMMUNICATE WITH THEM DIRECTLY ON LAST-MINUTE PROMOTIONS OR WE CAN DO GEO- FENCING SO, IF THEY DRIVE IN A CERTAIN AREA, A REMINDER WILL SHOW UP ON THEIR PHONE. THROUGH OUR WEBSITE WE HAVE 27,000 NEW USERS AND REGENERATE 60,000 IN REVENUE THROUGH THE WEBSITE. THAT IS THROUGH PREPAID ROUNDS OF GOLF AND PURCHASES. WE HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE, AND WE HAVE MANPOWER ON OUR TEAM ON THE MARKETING TEAM, THAT HAVE A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE SPECIFICALLY ON GOLF.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR WEBSITES AND THE TECHNOLOGY THROUGH APPS AND I WERE THIRD-PARTY PARTNERS,

[02:15:04]

YOU DO IS SIT INITIALLY THROUGH THE WEBSITE. >> I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT A FEW MORE THINGS. WE HAVE CREATED A NEW WEBSITE, OVER THE LAST 12 MONTHS WE HAVE DONE 41 E-MAILS -- 37 CUSTOM DESIGNED JOBS AND ALL OF THOSE ARE INCLUDED IN THE MARKETING FEES WHICH WE WILL GET INTO. IF YOU WENT OUT AND DID THAT INDIVIDUALLY IT WOULD COST

SUBSTANTIALLY MORE TO PRODUCE THE SAME THING. >> PUTTING SOME FACES WITH THE NAMES. THIS IS THE SUPPORT TEAM BEHIND THE SCENES.

DAVID IS HERE TONIGHT. TRACY IS EVER SENIOR DIRECTOR OF MARKETING.

WE HAVE OUR MARKETING ASSISTANCE OF WHEN STEVE NEEDS TO GET SOMETHING OUT, THAT IS WHERE THE INFORMATION GOES AND TAYLOR PROVIDES ASSISTANCE THERE. CHRISTIANNE MANAGES DIGITAL MARKETING AND SOCIAL MEDIA. JESSICA LEWIS MANAGES THE WEBSITE AND OUR DIGITAL STRATEGIES. SCOTT AND DEREK ARE IN REVENUE. SO, WE HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS THERE. THE ON-SITE TEAM AND REGIONAL TEAM HAVE REAL-TIME COMPETITIVE ANALYSIS. SO THEY WILL SEND IT TO STEVE AND TO CHRIS AND TO DAVID, A REPORT THAT SHOWS THE COMPETITION AND ALL OF THE TEETIMES THEY HAVE AVAILABLE AND THEIR PRICES. SO, THAT HELPS TO MAKE REAL-TIME DECISIONS AND UNDERSTAND OUR POSITION IN THE MARKET SO WE CAN DRIVE THE MOST OPTIMAL RATE. AND WE HAVE A SENIOR ART

DIRECTOR AND THEY DO THE GRAPHIC DESIGN WORK. >> OF THE COMMISSION HAS BEEN PRESENTED WITH, SOME EXPENSE SAVING OPTIONS THAT MAY BE OUT THERE.

THIS WAS DONE THROUGH A THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT REVIEW OF FINANCIAL STATEMENTS.

JUST TO CLARIFY, THERE WASN'T ANY INPUT FROM THE ON-SITE TEAM OR THE REGIONAL TEAM AND THEIR WERE NOT ANY QUESTIONS TO VALIDATE ANY OF THIS INFORMATION WITH US.

BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THERE WAS DETERMINATION THERE COULD BE $190 THAT'S RIGHT $190,000 IN SAVINGS RELIES. SO IS SELF-MANAGEMENT THE BEST OPTION? I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK, NOT INCLUDING SOME ADDITIONAL COSTS THAT WOULD BE INCURRED BY THE CITY LIKE LABOR, PENSION AND HEALTHCARE COSTS. THE CITY ASSUMES THE RESPONSIBILITIES. MARKETING EXPENSES WOULD BE INCURRED.

IT'S ALSO NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE NATIONAL PARTNER SAVINGS.

>> SO, THIS IS A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT WE FEEL THE ACTUAL SAVINGS WOULD BE IN EACH OF THOSE SEGMENTS. THE MANAGEMENT FEE IF ELIMINATED, EMPHASIS WASN'T HERE THE MANAGEMENT TEAM WOULD NOT BE THERE. HOWEVER, THE INITIAL COST INCURRED WITH THE CURRENT STAFFING MODEL IN PLACE, ESTIMATES FOR CITY PENSION COST IS 120,000. WE LOOKED AT A 2017 AUDIT AND FINANCIAL STATEMENT WHICH OUTLINED WHAT THE PENSION CONTRIBUTION WAS FOR LABOR DOLLAR FOR EACH EMPLOYEE ELIGIBLE. BASED OFF OF THAT AND OUR CURRENT STAFFING MODEL, THAT WOULD BE OVER $125,000. SAME THING ON BENEFIT COSTS IN TERMS OF, WHAT BENEFITS THE CITY COVERS IN TERMS OF ONE 100% COVERAGE VERSUS WHAT OUR PROGRAMS ARE.

THERE WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL COST THERE. >> THERE WOULD NEED TO BE CITY SUPPORT TO RESPONSIBILITIES FOR ACCOUNTS PAYABLE, HUMAN RESOURCES, RISK AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS WILL HAVE TO BE COMPLETED BY SOMEONE AND THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL COST.

LOOKING AT THE WEBSITE AND DIGITAL SUPPORT PLATFORMS. IF YOU DID JUST WHAT WE ARE

[02:20:02]

YOU WOULD STILL NEED TO WORK WITH THIRD-PARTY PROVIDERS AND DO OTHER MARKETING.

THERE IS A COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. IT WOULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE TO

COMPLETE THAT, INDIVIDUALLY, THEN THROUGH OUR SERVICES. >> THERE IS ALSO SOME POSTS THAT INDICATE, THERE WAS $6,900 IN LEGAL ACCOUNTING AND SUPPORT FEES.

THOSE ARE NOT BREEZE THROUGH BILLY CASPER GOLF, BULLS OR FOR AUDIT FEES THAT ARE PASSED BACK TO LOOK OFF COURSE THROUGH CITY ENTRIES ON THE FINANCIAL STATEMENT.

THAT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE CONTROL OF, AND WILL LIKELY REMAIN IN PLACE.

JUST TO HIGHLIGHT ON SOME OTHERS. THE PNC INSURANCE.

NOT SURE WHERE THE $50,000 CAME FROM BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ACTUAL INSURANCE PREMIUM FOR LAST YEAR THE ONLY LINE OF COVERAGE THAT COULD BE REDUCED OR ELIMINATED WOULD BE THE GENERAL LIABILITY WHICH THE CITY CURRENTLY COVERS. OUR PREMIUM, THAT WE HAVE BEEN THE GOLF COURSE FINANCIALS IS JUST OVER $60,000. THAT IS MUCH LESS THAN THE $50,000 INDICATED. FROM PAYROLL PROCESSING FEES, WE DO USE SERVICES THAT GET PAST DIRECTLY ONTO THE COURSE AND EXPENSES. WE USE OLD CIPRO FOR DATA AND EMPLOYEE DATA STORAGE. WE USE ADP FOR PAYROLL. THOSE ARE INVOICES WE RECEIVED DIRECTLY FROM THOSE COMPANIES THAT ARE PAID BY THE GOLF COURSE.

THERE IS NO PROFIT FROM BILLY CASPER GOLF IN THOSE AREAS. I'M NOT SURE HOW THE CITY PROCESSES PAYROLL BUT THERE WOULD LIKELY BE SOME COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, THAT IS

WHAT INDICATING A $5,000 SAVINGS IS THERE. >> IT SUPPORT, WE DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS BUT FOR THE SAKE OF THIS YOU COULD REALIZE SAVINGS THERE. THE VEHICLE MILEAGE FOR ADMINISTRATION IS SIMPLY MILEAGE FOR THE GENERAL MANAGER OF THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE IF THEY NEED TO ATTEND A MEETING OR PARTICIPATE IN SOMETHING WHERE THEY ARE BILLING MILEAGE BACK FOR TAKING A PERSONAL VEHICLE. THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH, BILLY CASPER GOLF TRAVEL.

I THINK LECTURED THE THE ACTUAL MILEAGE WAS $61. >> THERE ARE A COUPLE OF LINES AND THEREFORE CHAMBER DUES WHICH, THEY ARE NOT CHAINED REDUCED SPECIFICALLY.

I THINK A SMALL AMOUNT MAY BE BUT THE BULK OF IT IS FOR PARTICIPATION IN FLORIDA'S GOLF WINCHES, A MARKETING ORGANIZATION FUNDED BY THE FIVE COUNTIES IN NORTH FLORIDA AND PARTNERED GOLF COURSES AND HOTELS AND RESORTS. THAT MONEY IS UTILIZED TO MARKET OUTSIDE OF THE REGION AND DRIVE OUT OF MARKET PLAY. THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT IS VERY GOOD. AND ALSO, THE GOLF COURSE GETS A 50% DISCOUNT ON WHAT THE ANNUAL FEE IS TO BE A MEMBER OF THAT ORGANIZATION BECAUSE THEY ARE PART OF A GROUP WE HAVE FOUR COURSES IN NORTH FLORIDA SO WE DO GET A GROUP DISCOUNT TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT.

TRAINING AND STAFF DEVELOPMENT, THIS IS DIRECTLY FOR TRAINING AND SUPPORT FOR THE ON-SITE TEAM. A PORTION OF THAT IS FOR ANNUAL HOLIDAY PARTIES.

THE OTHER PORTION FOUR, ANNUAL SERVICE TRAINING AND SUPPLIES. THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT.

WEBSITE DESIGN, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT DEREK YOU COULD ELIMINATE THAT, HOWEVER I WILL GET INTO THE TRACER A LITTLE IN A MOMENT. THAT IS GOING TO BE A CRITICAL NEW PROGRAM THAT IS BEING LAUNCHED AT THE GOLF COURSE, AND PUTTING THE NECESSARY MARKETING INTO THAT IS IMPORTANT.

>> THE SAME THING ON THE LAST THREE OF THEM. ADVERTISING FOR ELECTRONIC DISPLAYS. ELECTRONIC MARKETING THROUGH FACEBOOK OR OTHER ONLINE

[02:25:01]

THAT IS SOMETHING WE COULD ELIMINATE IF WE CHOOSE. AND INITIATIVE, THAT IS THE CAUSE FOR THE COURSE PACKET IS $200 PER MONTH FOR THE COURSE APP AND LOOKING AT THE USERS AND

THE ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE AND WE FEEL IT IS A WISE INVESTMENT. >> 'S OVERALL, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, WE SEE THAT IF YOU WERE TO MAKE A CHANGE AND SELF MANAGE THE GOLF COURSE IT WOULD INCREASE COSTS BY OVER $103,000. THAT DOES NOT FACTOR IN ANY IMPACT TO REVENUE AND NOT COVERING THE SAME MARKETING SERVICES IN PLACE AS YOU DO THROUGH INDIGO GOLF.

>> SO, WHAT IS NEXT. WE WANT TO CONTINUE OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE CITY.

A VERY EXCITING PROJECT WITH A GRAND OPENING THAT IS COMING BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.

GETTING READY TO OPEN THE NORTH COURSE. GREENS WHICH OVERLOOKED THE FACILITY AND UTILIZE THE TECHNOLOGY THAT EXPAND AND WE WANT TO BE AFFORDABLE AND CONSISTENT FOR THE RESIDENTS. BUT WE ALSO WANT TO PULL IN MORE PEOPLE FROM OFF OF THE ISLAND,

AND GET MORE TRAFFIC TO THE GOLF COURSE. >> ULTIMATELY, OUR COMPANY FOCUSES ON GOLF FOR EVERYONE, MAKING IT ASSESSABLE FOR EVERY RESIDENT AND ULTIMATELY THAT WILL IMPROVE THE BOTTOM LINE AND THAT CASH FLOW. I WON'T BE ABLE TO -- I CAN NOW

ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. >> I'M NOT INTERESTED IN GOING IN NO SPACE ON THE DATA I AM CONCERNED IT IS EXPIRING I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE RESOLUTION WHERE THE CITY MANAGER NEGOTIATES BUT I THINK THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE.

I DON'T THINK THERE HAS BEEN SO PICKING -- WHEN THIS TEAM CAME IN OUR GOLF COURSE WAS OBTRUSIVE. I RECEIVED CALLS FROM THE COMMISSIONER AND THE CITY MANAGER, AND I THINK THEY CAN PROVIDE SERVICES AND IT SEEMS LIKE THEY CAN NEGOTIATE AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE ARE GETTING INFORMATION THAT SAYS WE CAN SAVE MONEY BUT THERE HAS TO BE A MIDDLE GROUND AND THERE HAS TO BE NEGOTIATION BEFORE WE TALK TICKET HAS BEEN IN THE NEWSPAPER. I THINK THIS IS A BIG MISTAKE. WE WANT A CONTRACT BECAUSE IN-HOUSE DID NOT WORK. WE ARE NOT GOLF COURSE MANAGERS, THAT'S NOT OUR JOB.

WE HAVE ENOUGH TROUBLE RUNNING THE CITY. SO, THERE'S BEEN NO EFFORT TO

SIT DOWN AND NEGOTIATE. YOU GUYS WANT TO BE HERE. >> YES, ABSOLUTELY.

WE NEED TO GET SOME NUMBERS ON WHERE WE ARE AT. MARKETING MAY BE ONE THING, BUYING POWER AND THOSE OTHER THINGS. I THINK THERE ARE BENEFITS, I HAVE BEEN HERE FIVE YEARS I HAVEN'T HAD ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE GOLF COURSE PER SE, OUTSIDE

[02:30:06]

OF YOU GUYS DON'T MAKE ANY MONEY. >> YOU CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN FOR

SURE. >> IT'S SUPPOSED TO BEAT NIRVANA.

>> THAT TURN MY LIGHT OFF? SENT YOU DID. >> TO THE VICE MAYOR'S POINT.

THIS IS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY I HAVE SEEN, THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO SEE YOUR ANALYSIS OF THE COST SAVINGS. I THINK WHAT I LIKE TO SEE IS AN ANALYSIS BY THE CITY MANAGER, OF YOUR ANALYSIS, COMPARE IT TO THE CITY'S ANALYSIS, AND LET'S FIND THE REAL SAVINGS.

I'M HEARING TWO DIFFERENT NUMBERS. BUT I WANT TO COME TO SOME AGREED TO NUMBER THAT IF WE GET THE CONTRACT IF WE END IT WOULD WE GAIN WHAT DO WE GAIN BY STAYING. ALSO TO THE VICE MAYOR'S POINT, THERE HAS BEEN NO NEGOTIATION.

I ALSO LOOKED AT YOUR WEBSITE TODAY. IT WAS EITHER TODAY OR YESTERDAY. THE TWO ALSO OFFER, NOT COMPLETE MANAGEMENT, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE

TO TAKE THE WHOLE PACKAGE. WE MAY JUST HAVE THE COURSE. >> S, THAT IS CORRECT.

>> WE HAVEN'T EVEN LOOKED THAT THAT ALTERNATIVE. DO WE DO A HYBRID.

DO WE COMPLETELY IN THE CONTRACT IS THE LACK OF INFORMATION BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF

INFORMATION. >> THIS IS THE POTENTIAL CONTRACT.

AND, LOOK AT ALL OF THE OPTIONS AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION.

IF THE CONTRACT EXPIRES OUR NEXT MEETING IS THE FIRST OF DECEMBER >> OUR AGENDA IS ALREADY SET.

>> SO WHAT'S REALISTIC. I WANT A REALISTIC STATE AND HOW IT FITS INTO THE CONTRACT.

>> OUR OBJECTIVE IS TO BE HERE LONG TERM. >> WE RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY MANAGER REVIEWED THE DATA FROM BOTH PARTIES AND THE POTENTIAL CONTRACTS WITH THEM AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. NO LATER THAN THE END OF DECEMBER.

>> I WILL SECOND. >> ANYONE ELSE COLLECTS. >> TO BE CLEAR YOU'RE NOT BUILDING ON THIS. THIS IS JUST TO NEGOTIATE THE CONTRACT.

>> WE CAN CALL A VOTE DOES ANYBODY OBJECT. >> I HAVE LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS.

>> I HAVE LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS, I THINK, TO REFER THAT'S RIGHT DEFER I WILL DEFER BACK.

>> WE HAD A MOTION. THERE WAS SOMETHING ON THE FLOOR.

>> WE HAVE NOT CALLED THE BOAT YET. WE ARE ON THE DISCUSSION

PORTION. >> I THOUGHT YOU WERE ASKING FOR THE CONSENSUS.

>> THIS IS A CONSIDERATION. IT'S A CONSISTENT -- CONSISTENT SPIRIT THIS IS TO RENEW OR NOT

[02:35:01]

RENEW THE CITY CONTRACT. >> THEN IT IS A CONSENSUS. >> SO WE KNOW WHERE WE ARE

GOING. >> MAYBE YOU ALL TO GO OVER THAT ONE MORE TIME.

>> THE CITY MANAGER TO REVIEW THE CITY DATA TO SIT DOWN WITH BILLY CASPER TO LOOK AT A

POTENTIAL NEW CONTRACT AND COME BACK BY THE END OF DECEMBER. >> THE KEY TAKE AWAY IS YOU WANT

TO REMOVE THE POSSIBILITY OF HIM CANCELING THE CONTRACT. >> ASPECT.

>> IF THEY SENT A LETTER THREE MONTHS AGO AND IT IS JUST COMING TO US NOW, AND IT HAS ALREADY BEEN IN THE NEWSPAPER, THAT CONCERNS ME. YOU ARE RIGHT FOR US BUT THE COMMISSION DECIDE. WHEN WE HAVE A CONTRACT EXPIRE WE WANT TO KNOW HOW THAT WORKS OUT. THE ONLY ASSURANCE I CAN GIVE YOU WOULD BE IF WE GOT SOMETHING IN WRITING FROM BILLY CASPER THAT WOULD SOMETHING THAT THEY SAY THEY WILL HONOR.

>> IS SO, I AM CLEAR. IN MEETING WITH THE CITY MANAGER YESTERDAY, GOING OVER THE NUMBERS, NICK CAME TO THE CITY BY GOING IT ALONE, $100,000. TONIGHT I AM SEEING AN ANALYSIS BY BILLY CASPER THAT SAYS THE OPPOSITE. IT SAYS THAT LOSS, WAS IT WON

HUNDRED 93? >> I THINK IT WAS 193. SO, WHAT I AM TRYING TO GET TO, BEFORE MAKING A DECISION OF THIS MAGNITUDE, WHAT IS THE REAL NUMBER.

>> VICE MAYOR LEN KREGER? >> THIS IS CRAZY. THE 17TH OF NOVEMBER AND WE ARE DEALING WITH THIS CONTRACT. THERE'S NO REASON IT CAN'T COME BACK TO THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING. DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. MAKE THEM JUMP THROUGH THE

HOOPS. YOU GUYS CAN DO THAT. >> WE ARE MORE THAN WILLING TO

HAVE DISCUSSIONS. SO IT COULD COME BACK? >> YES,.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS? >> IF IT COMES BACK TO THE FIRST OF DECEMBER I CAN SUPPORT THAT.

>> JUST TO BRING UP SOME POINTS. THERE ARE SOME, AND STAFF'S OPINION SOME GROWTH INACCURACIES INCLUDING THE PENSION AND STAFF COSTS. WE WILL WORK WITH THEM, BUT I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THEY HAVE THE NUMBERS AND THEY SAY THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE WE GOT OUR NUMBERS BUT I DEFINITELY WANT TO SAY WE HAVE HAD THE MOST PROFESSIONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM AND AS I EXPLAINED, TO ALL OF YOU THIS IS STRICTLY A FINANCIAL DECISION. WE HAD A MODEL FOR MOVING THE GOLF COURSE OUT OF ITS STRUCTURAL DEFICIT. THIS IS STRICTLY A FINANCIAL REVIEW. IT IS NOT INDICATIVE OF ANY DISLIKE FOR INDIGO GOLF OR ANY THING IT IS STRICTLY A BUSINESS DECISION TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE MOVE FORWARD ONCE WE OPTED NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PLAN A. I WILL GLADLY WORK WITH OFFICIALS TO GET SOMETHING BACK

TO BY DECEMBER 1. >> ALL RIGHT THIS IS A .8 THIS IS PURCHASE APPROVAL WITH CANON

[8.8 PURCHASE APPROVAL - CANON SOLUTIONS AMERICA - RESOLUTION 2020-176]

>> VICE MAYOR LEN KREGER. >> S. >> MIKE LEDNOVICH.

>> YES. >> I KNOW YOU DID HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK TONIGHT BECAUSE IT WENT

[8.9 AMENDING RESOLUTION 2017-124 AND RESOLUTION 2019-158 - AT&T CORPORATION - RESOLUTION 2020-177]

BY REALLY FAST, PURE. >> ITEM A .9 AMENITY RESOLUTION 2017-1 TO 4 AND RESOLUTION 2019-

[02:40:13]

158 AT&T CORPORATION. >> MOVE TO APPROVE. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND

PERIOD. >> PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> ITEM 8.11 PROPOSAL APPROVAL

[8.11 PROPOSAL APPROVAL - MILLER ELECTRIC COMPANY - RESOLUTION 2020-179]

FOR MILLER ELECTRIC COMPANY. >> YOU MISS ONE. >> YES.

[8.10 BUDGET AMENDMENT - FUEL LINE REPAIR - RESOLUTION 2020-178]

>> I'M SORRY, ITEM A .10 BUDGET AMENDMENT FOR FUEL LINE REPAIR. >> MOVED TO APPROVE SECOND

PERIOD. >> THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT EXISTED FOUR MONTHS.

I WON'T GET INTO THE PURCHASING ISSUES BECAUSE THEY SAID THEY WILL MOVE FORWARD I WOULD POINT OUT IT WAS LONG AGO THAT WE APPROVE THE THIRD HIGHEST BID ON THE BID PROCESS AND WE HAD AN RFP WE HAD TO REDO BECAUSE WE DIDN'T FOLLOW THE RULES. WE APPROVED A QUOTE THAT WE DID NOT PIGGYBACK AND IT IS CRAZY. THIS WE HAVE KNOWN FOR FOUR MONTHS.

I THINK IT WILL GET FIXED BUT I WON'T SUPPORT IT. I WILL NOT FOR IT.

>> >> IT IS AN EMERGENCY IN THE SENSE THAT A REASONABLE COMPANY

HAS DONE THE WORK BEFORE. >> I THINK WE SHOULD GO FORWARD. OUR PURCHASING POLICY NEEDS TO

BE TWEAKED MAJORLY TWEAKED. >> COMMISSIONER MIKE LEDNOVICH. >> THE DECISION WAS HOW LONG DO WE DELAY SELLING GAS INSTEAD OF, THAT'S WHY IT'S AN EMERGENCY, WE ARE LOSING REVENUE.

YOU LOOK AT THE BOATS OUT THERE, THE SIZABLE BOATS, THEY ARE NOT BUYING GAS FROM US.

WE THEN HAVE THE REVENUE. IF WE GO THROUGH A PROCESS, WE LOSE THOSE FUNDS.

SO THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO BALANCE. THAT IS WHY IT IS AN EMERGENCY.

>> I DIG THIS STUFF. THIS HAS BEEN AROUND FOR I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG.

YOU GET IT AND YOU HAVE GOOD PROJECT MANAGEMENT YOU GET SPECIFICATIONS.

YOU DON'T GO OUT AND GET A BUNCH OF QUOTES. EVERYTHING WE DO IS QUOTES.

THEY'RE GOING TO DO THIS OR THAT. I THINK WE RECOGNIZE THE PROBLEM. I WILL VOTE NO AND IT WILL PROCEED.

EVERYONE KNOWS WE HAVE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO GET CORRECTED. THE ISSUES ARE, THERE ARE TWO ISSUES. THE NUMBER ONE, ARE WEAKENING THE BEST PRODUCT AND THE CORRECT PRODUCT OR SYSTEM DESIGN. THAT IS NUMBER ONE AT THE BEST PRICE.

THAT CAN BE DONE. I'M NOT MAKING A BIG DEAL, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE GOING IN THE RIGHT WAY. I CAN'T SAY THIS IS AN EMERGENCY.

I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT'S GOING TO PASS, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

>> EXCUSING MR. MAYOR. THIS IS AN EMERGENCY BECAUSE, THE POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT, IS HERE IS THAT CORRECT QUICKSAND THAT IS WHAT THE LETTER INDICATED.

>> I DON'T THINK, WE ARE LOSING MONEY FALLS INTO THE REALM OF EMERGENCIES.

IT IS BECAUSE, IF THIS IS LIKE 0 WE ARE IN FOR THE BIG BUCKS. >> THANK YOU.

[02:45:04]

>> TODAY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE GOTTEN TO IT BUT WE HAVE RECEIVED ONE NOTICE FROM DEP AND THEY WORK WITH YOU. IT'S NOT LIKE THEY ISSUE FINES AND ASK QUESTIONS LATER.

TODAY WE RECEIVED THE SECOND NOTICE PERIOD IT WAS EXPLAINED TO THEM BY OUR PROJECT MANAGER THAT, WE WERE PLANNING ON BRINGING YOU THIS TONIGHT AS EMERGENCY AND THEY WERE PLEASED

TO HEAR ABOUT THIS. >> GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THIS. CALL THE VOTE.

>> YES. >> YES. >> NO.

>> NOW WE ARE ON TO ITEM 8.11 PROPOSAL APPROVAL FOR MILLER ELECTRIC COMPANY.

I HAVE A MOTION. SECOND. >> CALLING THE WORLD.

[9.1 (Quasi-judicial) VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION - 3001 S. 14TH STREET - ORDINANCE 2020-43]

>> ORDINANCE FIRST READING. FUTURE VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION. 3001 SOUTH 14TH STREET.

CITY ATTORNEY. >> WE CAME TO MAKE A MOTION. >> ABSOLUTELY.

AND AVOID EVERYTHING ELSE. AVOID THE QUASIJUDICIAL. >> SHARE.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO PASS IT THEN WE WON'T HAVE AN APPEAL. >> I CAN DO PRACTICAL.

I HAVE TO READ THE TITLES. >> I'M SERIOUS. >> WE COULD SIT HERE AND GO

THROUGH THE CHARADE. >> I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM. >> IS THIS ONE WRITTEN ON THE

AGENDA? >> HAS. THESE WERE QUASIJUDICIAL BUT WE ARE GOING TO WAIVE THEM AND APPROVE ALL OF THEM. ORDINANCE 2020 -- 43 ANNEXING APPROXIMATELY .5 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED AT 3001 SOUTH 13TH STREET.

AND CONTINUOUS TO THE CITY LIMITS. TANGIBLE TO APPROVE.

>> SECOND, CALL THE BOAT. ROSS, YES, LEN KREGER, YES, MIKE LEDNOVICH, YES.

[9.2 (Legislative) FUTURE LAND USE ASSIGNMENT -3001 S 14TH ST- ORDINANCE 2020-44]

>> I AM SO PROUD OF COMMISSIONER ROSS TONIGHT. I AM JUST GOING TO SAY THAT.

>> YOU ARE WILLING TO WAIT FOR PROCEDURE AND BE PRACTICAL. I THINK THAT IS COOL.

>> ORDINANCE 2020 JAZZ 44 FISH ASSIGNING A FUTURE LAND USE MAP CATEGORY OF LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL LDR FOR .50 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED AT 3001 SOUTH 14TH STREET.

>> MOVED TO APPROVE, SECOND PERIOD. >> PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> COMMISSIONER ROTH, VICE MAYOR LEN KREGER YES MIKE LEDNOVICH, YES.

[9.3 (Quasi-judicial) ZONING MAP ASSIGNMENT - 3001 S. 14TH STREET - ORDINANCE 2020-45]

>> ITEM 9.3 ZONING MAP ASSIGNMENT 3,001 SOUTH 14TH STREET.

>> THE OLD ICEBERG ORDINANCE 2028 -- 25 ASSIGNING A ZONING CATEGORY OF LOW DENSITY FOR .5

OH ACRES OF LAND LOCATED AT 3001 SOUTH 14TH STREET. >> MOVED TO APPROVE.

I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND PERIOD PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> UNANIMOUS.

>> AND I HAVE A SPEAKER WHO DOES NOT REQUEST TO SPEAK. >> THE SPEAKER NO LONGER REQUEST

[02:50:12]

TO SPEAK ON THIS? >> NO. >> ORDINANCE 2020 -- 46 AND ORDINANCE ANNEXING APPROXIMATELY THREE-POINT 878 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED AT 1440 AND 1420 SOUTH 14TH STREET, 1410 AND 1412, AND 1416 NECTARINE STREET AND 1409 PAPPY'S PLACE AND 1415 AND

1505 SOUTH 15TH STREET. >> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> I AM NOT DONE.

CONTINGENTLY TO THE CITY LIMITS. >> MUTUAL APPROVAL. >> 2020 -- 46 THERE IS A MOTION.

[9.4 (Quasi-judicial) VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION - PAPPY'S PLACE AND S. 14TH STREET - ORDINANCE 2020-46]

PAPPY'S PLACE AND 1415 AND 1505 SOUTH 15TH STREET SCRIPT. >> PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> COMMISSIONER ROSS YES, VICE MAYOR LEN KREGER YES. >> ITEM 9.5.

[9.5 (Legislative) FUTURE LAND USE ASSIGNMENT -PAPPY'S PLACE AND S 14TH STORDINANCE 2020 47]

FUTURE LAND USE ASSIGNMENT. PAPPY'S PLACE. >> OKAY.

ORDINANCE 2020 -- 47 ASSIGNING A FUTURE LAND USE MAP CATEGORY OF GENERAL COMMERCIAL FOR 3.87 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED AT 1440 AND 1420 SOUTH 14TH STREET, 1409 PAPPY'S PLACE, 1410, 1412, 1416 NECTARINE STREET AND 1415 AND 14 -- 1505 SOUTH 15TH STREET.

>> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> MADAME CLERK PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> COMMISSIONER RUSS, COMMISSIONER LEN KREGER, YES COMMISSIONER CHAPMAN, YES.

[9.6 (Quasi-judicial) ZONING MAP ASSIGNMENT - PAPPY'S PLACE AND S. 14TH STREET - ORDINANCE 2020-48]

>> ORDINANCE 2020 -- 48 ASSIGNING A ZONING CATEGORY OF COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL C-1 AND GENERAL COMMERCIAL C-243.87 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED AT 1440 AND 1420 SOUTH 14TH STREET, 1409 PAPPY'S PLACE 14101412, 1416 NECTARINE STREET AND 1415 AND 1505 SOUTH 15TH STREET.

>> MOVE TO APPROVE. >> CALLING THE ROLL. >> UNANIMOUS YES.

>> WELL DONE. ON TWO ITEM TEN. ORDINANCE ON SECOND READING.

ITEMS IN .1 IS BEEN REMOVED. 10.1 HAS BEEN REMOVED. >> IT WAS NOT ADVERTISED.

[10.2 VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION - PLANTATION HAMMOCK SUBDIVISION - ORDINANCE 2020-33]

>> ITEM TO POINT TO THE VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION FOR THE PLANTATION HAMMOCK.

>> CAN WE DO THE SAME THING QUICKSAND WE CAN PICK. >> THESE WE DON'T HAVE HEARING SO THESE YOU VOTE ANYWAY. WE HAVE THE HEARING THAT WAS RAINING.

ORDINANCE 2020 -- 33 ANNEXING APPROXIMATELY 4.32 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED IN THE PLANTATION HAMMOCK SUBDIVISION ON SIMMONS ROAD BETWEEN 14TH STREET AND AMELIA ROAD AND 847 SIMMONS ROAD

CONTAGIOUS TO THE CITY LIMITS. >> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> PLEASE CALL THE VOTE.

>> YES UNANIMOUSLY. >> ITEM 10.3. FUTURE LAND USE.

[10.3 FUTURE LAND USE ASSIGNMENT -PLANTATION HAMMOCK SUBDIVISION - ORDINANCE 2020-34]

>> ORDINANCE 2020 -- 34 SIGNING A FUTURE LAND USE MAP CATEGORY OF LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL FOR 4.32 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED AT 847 SIMMONS ROAD AND PROPERTIES IN THE PLANTATION HAMMOCK

SUBDIVISION. >> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.

COMMISSIONER KRIEGER MAYOR MILLER. >> UNANIMOUS YES.

[10.4 ZONING MAP ASSIGNMENT - PLANTATION HAMMOCK SUBDIVISION - ORDINANCE 2020-35]

>> ORDINANCE 2020 -- 35 ASSIGNING OF ZONING CATEGORY OF LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL FOR 4.3T

[02:55:05]

>> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> >> ORDINANCE 2020 -- 36.

[10.5 VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION - SADLER ROAD - ORDINANCE 2020-36]

SADLER ROAD CONTIGUOUS TO THE CITY LIMITS. >> MOVED TO APPROVE.

>> PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> YES. >> ORDINANCE 2020 -- 37

[10.6 FUTURE LAND USE MAP ASSIGNMENT - SADLER ROAD - ORDINANCE 2020-37]

2233 SABRA ROAD. >> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> MADAME CLERK PLEASE CALL THE

BOAT. >> MAYOR MILLER. >> YES.

[10.7 ZONING MAP ASSIGNMENT - SADLER ROAD - ORDINANCE 2020-38]

>> ORDINANCE 10.7. >> ASSIGNING A ZONING MAP CATEGORY OF COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL FOR 3.24 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED AT 20 TO 467 ROAD AND MIXED USE FOR 0-POINT FOR 6 ACRES OF LAND

LOCATED AT 2233 CYBER ROAD. >> I HAVE A MOTION. >> A MOTION AND A SECOND PERIOD.

>> PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. >> ITEM 10.8 VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION.

[10.8 VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION - BAPTIST MEDICAL CENTER PROPERTIES - ORDINANCE 2020-39]

>> ORDINANCE 2020 -- 39 ANNEXING APPROXIMATELY 31.39 ECHOES OF LAND LOCATED ON THE BAPTIST MEDICAL CENTER AT 1250 SOUTH 18TH STREET, 1367 SOUTH 18TH STREET AND INCLUDING VACANT LANDS CONTIGUOUS TO THE CITY LIMITS PROVIDING FOR AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

>> MOVED TO APPROVE. >> SECOND PERIOD. >> WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND

PERIOD. >> YOU MAY HAVE SOLVED THE DOCUMENT ON FINANCIAL THINGS ON TAXES. I ASKED WHAT THE TAXES WOULD BE, NOT SPECIFIC CONCERN WAS NOT THE RESIDENTIAL BUT THE TAX INCREASE I THINK IT WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT. I AM JUST REMINDED, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE NUMBER. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO WHERE WE ARE GOING.

>> MADAME CLERK PLEASE CALL THE VOTE. >> WELL DONE COMMISSIONER ROSS.

>> I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU CONTINUED THIS PRACTICE. WE SHOULD'VE STARTED THIS FOUR

YEARS AGO. >> IT NEVER OCCURRED TO ME. >> THAT IS THE STORY OF MY LIFE.

ONE OF THE VERY LAST MEETING TO DO THIS. >> I THINK YOU DO IT ON PURPOSE.

[11.1 BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT]

>> ITEM 11. THIS IS BOARD APPOINTMENT BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS.

COMMISSIONER MIKE LEDNOVICH. >> MR. MAYOR I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE GRANT FILL

THE SEAT. AND TWO ALTERNATES. >> I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND

PAIR. >> FOR CLARITY, THE ORDER BECAUSE IT MATTERS IN TERMS OF THEM MOVING UP WE NEED TO ITEMIZE THEM ALTERNATE ONE AN ALTERNATE TWO.

>> MADAME CLERK PLEASE CALL THE BOAT. >>

[12. CITY MANAGER REPORTS]

>> ITEM 12, CITY MANAGER REPORTS. >> THANK YOU MR. MAYOR.

I MEET WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM VOICES MANAGEMENT TOMORROW TO CONTINUE THE TRANSITION FOR THEIR MANAGEMENT AND CITY OFFICES WILL BE CLOSED NEXT THURSDAY AND FRIDAY FOR THE CELEBRATION OF THANKSGIVING. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS THIS EVENING AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO ALL OF YOU HAVE ANY NICE THANKSGIVING AS WELL AS EVERYONE STAYING HEALTHY.

>> THANK YOU, SIR. >> CITY ATTORNEY. >> I HAVE NOTHING EXCEPT WE WERE

[13. CITY ATTORNEY REPORTS]

[03:00:10]

[14. CITY CLERK REPORTS]

WE JUST WANT CLARIFICATION. >> THANK YOU. >> CITY COURT.

>> THANK YOU MR. MAYOR, JUST A REMINDER THE RUNOFF ELECTION SCHEDULE IS ON THE WEBSITE.

ALONG WITH THE POLLING PLACE CHANGE WITH THE PRECINCT FOR THE VOTERS.

THAT IS ALL I HAVE. >> 201 IS CHANGED TO THE RECREATION CENTER.

EVERYBODY WILL VOTE THIS TIME. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER ROSS.

[15. MAYOR/COMMISSIONER COMMENTS]

>> TO THINK SPIRIT ONE IS, THE SEVENTH ANNUAL EVENT AND I HOPE EVERYONE COMES AND NUMBER TWO, I WANT TO THANK TWO OFFICERS, AND I ALSO WANT TO THANK AN UNKNOWN WOMAN AT THE FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE WHO ANSWERED THE PHONE AT 2:00 A.M. AT 1:30 A.M. LAST MONTH, ON WEDNESDAY, MY WIFE LOOKED ME UP AND SAID THERE IS AN ARMADILLO IN OUR LIVING ROOM.

AND THERE ACTUALLY WAS. I CHASED IT AROUND WITH A BROOM FOR 45 MINUTES THEN WE CALLED THE POLICE TO FIND OUT IF THERE WAS ANY WAY WE COULD GET ANIMAL SERVICES.

THEY SAID THEY ONLY DO DOMESTIC SO TO CALL FISSION WHILE IP OR SHE SAID DON'T TOUCH IT BUT GET A BROOM AND WHISK IT INTO THE BACK. WATCHING THREE GROWN MEN AND A WOMAN RUNNING AFTER AN ARMADILLO IT TOOK TWO HOURS TO GET IT OUT OF THE DOOR.

YOU WONDER HOW AN ARMADILLO GOT INTO OUR LIVING ROOM. IT TURNS OUT UNDER THE HOUSE THERE WAS AN AIR CONDITIONING DUCT THAT FELL OFF AND IT BROUGHT INTO THE LIVING ROOM.

IF YOU EVER HAVE AN ARMADILLO IN YOUR LIVING ROOM AT 1:30 A.M., THANKFULLY THE POLICE CAME OUT.

WE DIDN'T ASK THEM THEY SHOWED UP ON THEIR OWN. WE APPRECIATE THAT, AND THEY PICKED UP THE PHONE AT 1:30 A.M. THAT NIGHT PEOPLE ARE THERE TO HELP.

>> I WANT TO WISH EVERYONE A HAPPY AND HEALTHY THANKSGIVING. EVERYONE, WE ALWAYS GET REPORTS, A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE THINK THIS IS JUST A LITTLE SLEEPY TOWN. BUT I READ THE POLICE REPORT, BY ALL MEANS YOU SHOULD READ THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS THAT GO ON THAT A LOT OF US SAY IN FERNANDINA BEACH. SO, TO THE OFFICERS, I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

EVERYONE PLEASE STAY HEALTHY AND STAY WEARING YOUR FACE COVERING SPIRIT.

>> THAT IS A GOOD IDEA. >> COMMISSIONER MIKE LEDNOVICH. >> THIS HAS BEEN A MEETING.

AS YOU INDICATED, NONE OF US WANTED TO CANCEL THE HOLIDAY SPIRIT THIS IS A DEVASTATING TIME OF THE YEAR. MY WIFE AND I WILL BE HAVING THANKSGIVING ALONE.

WE WILL BE HAVING CHRISTMAS ALONE. BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC.

I WANT TO WISH, WE HAVE A CITY EMPLOYEE WHO IS NOW BATTLING COVID.

I WANT TO WISH HIM WELL. AND A SPEEDY RECOVERY. IT JUST MAGNIFIES, HOW DEVASTATING THIS VIRUS CAN BE. WE ALL NEED TO BE ON OUR GUARD. SO PLEASE, HAVE A SAFE AND HEALTHY THANKSGIVING. I KNOW IT'S DIFFERENT BUT AS DRA LIGHT.

JUST HAVE FAITH. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SIR.

>> VICE MAYOR LEN KREGER. >> A MEETING I ATTENDED WITH CHIP, WHICH WAS THE HABITAT MATCH. IT WILL BE BILLED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

LAST SATURDAY, THE LAST SATURDAY OF THE MONTH, LAST SATURDAY WE GAVE AWAY SO MUCH COUNTY HEALTH

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AND EVERYBODY, HAPPY THANKSGIVING WHETHER WE WANT TO DO THINGS ARE NOT I THINK WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO THE CITIZENS TO MAKE BETTER CHOICES AND I THINK WE DID THAT.

>> THANK YOU SIR. >> POTENTIAL SOMETHING REALLY COOL IN SOME THOROUGHLY SAD.

>> SOMETHING REALLY COOL THERE IS A GUY MAKING A DUCK OUT OF FROM THE MUSEUM.

I WON'T TRY TO SAY HIS NAME I WILL SLAUGHTER IT. BUT HE WILL BE OUT THERE EVERY AFTERNOON UNTIL 3:00 P.M. ON THE 20TH HE IS GIVING A LECTURE AT 6:00 P.M.

BUT, IT IS THE TRADITION. YOU WILL PROBABLY NEVER GET A CHANCE TO SEE IT AGAIN.

>> ON A SIDE NOTE WE LOST A MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY. ON THE THIRD JOSHUA BUFFER, IF YOU HAVE EVER ATTENDED A MINI PLAYHOUSE PLAY THEY DO IT EVERY SUMMER OR YOU WENT TO A HIGH SCHOOL GAME, JOSHUA, WAS 6-YEARS-OLD. HE HAD UNDERLYING HEALTH CONDITIONS. IT WAS VERY UNEXPECTED. HE WAS WELL LOVED BY EVERYONE.

HE WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL. TO KNOW THIS KID WAS TO LOVE HIM.

HE SANK AT SEVERAL EVENTS THAT I ATTENDED. HE WAS ALSO AN AVID PILOT.

I DID NOT KNOW THAT. BUT HE HAD A PILOTS LICENSE. SO MAYBE IF YOU ARE IN AVIATION YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE YOUNG MAN. THAT WAS

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